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Hey, commenter! This video was scripted and recorded before Takashi Iizuka confirmed that Sonic Superstars takes place after Sonic Mania. At 15:55, I said that I believed it fit between Sonic 3 and Sonic Mania. I now know this isn't the case, so you don't have to make the comment. The ranking would have likely still been a 4/5 if this was known information. I'll try to ask Iizuka to warn me ahead of time before he makes a statement like that.
Lmao I think that was bad timing
Also sorry bc of my bad behaviour when you first arrived in shalvous stream I was caught by the hype and I ddint have time to actually think about the problems
Now can you make a video called what is the real Ghostbusters 3?
How can Sonic Superstars be canon, when Fang is in it? He was only given major appearances in Triple Trouble, Drift 2 and Sonic the Fighters, NONE of which are considered "mainline" games.
@@gregzotter6189just because they’re not mainline doesnt mean that they’re not canon
The real Sonic 4 is the friends we made along the way
“Let’s show that Creek the real super power of teamwork”
@@Ok_productions2.0*Creep
"Oh, please, no tedious speech about "super power of teamwork" 🙄"
But they all die so i could get to end. Was all of this for nothing?
ROUGH AND TUMBLE ARE THE BEST VILLAIN AND
EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR
THE ONLY VILLAIN WHO
IS SUPERIOR IS IMPERATOR
IX FROM SONIC CHRONICLES
AND IMPERATOR IX CREATED
THE PHANTOM RUBY AND
MADE THE WAR HAPPEN IN
SINIC FIRCES SO YEAH
IMPERATOR IX IS SUMPERIOR
TO ANYONE AND IMPERATOR IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE AND SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
AND SCOORGE THE HEDGEHOG IS A TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME
LIKE EGGMAN AND EGGMAN
IS NOT THE TRUE VILLAIN
OF SONIC PRIME AND LIKE I SAID EGGMAN IS NOT
SUPERIOR SO BELIEVE I
KNOW EGGMAN IS NOT
SUPERIOR AFTER FAILING
TO DESTROY SONIC AND
I KNOW IMPERATOR IC IS
SUPERIOR AND WILL RETURN
TO ERAISE AND SONIC AND
HIS FRIENDS IN THE NEW
SONIC GAME SO YEAH BELIEVE ME IMPERATOR IX
IS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE
AND DR EGGMAN AM I RIGHT
17:48 Everyone is overlooking the pronunciation of Hydro-City Zone. 💀
the third secret bonus pronunciation of hydrocity
Deadass. I was like, "STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES." 😂😂
Hidro Kyti 💀
Honestly that's the only correct pronounciation
nahh that was the WORST pronunciation of hyrdocity that I have EVER heard in my entire life.
As much as I love Sonic Mania, it was never something that screamed "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" to me. Just a really fun celebration of the Classic Sonic games. Also, I've lost count about how many times I've seen a new 2D Sonic fangame and saw at least one "This the REAL Sonic 4!" comment.
Just like how a lot of games sincr Heroes have at least someone say "This is Sonic Adventure 3"
@@TsubasaAmsel P06 is basically sa3, once they add the story bits and bosses
@@wdg2384 There is no second timeline.
@@ChiefMedicPururuexactly.
@@ChiefMedicPururu The Classic Sonic from Generations and Forces is Sonic from a different universe, meaning there is another timeline
XPool, you score a 5/5 in Uniqueness in my book.
You may be the real Sonic 4.
Final Score: 20/20
I think the sonic advanced series actually evolved the classic gameplay more than the other 2D sonic sequels. It added new playable characters, and new abilities like tricks and team moves. Also the boost mode is very cool and builds on the idea of having speed being a reward for skilled players.
I won't necessarily call Sonic & Knuckles alone the "REAL" Sonic 4. It was more of an expansion pack to Sonic 3 alone.
It's arguably the closest thing to a real Sonic 4 but it's not actually called Sonic 4. Sonic Heroes isn't Adventure 3 despite releasing after SA2 and continuing the story.
= exactly what the definition of a sequel is according to this video
Its really just the second half of the game though.
@@1234_Flux or is it?
Sonic 3 and Knuckles was all Sonic the Hedgehog 3 just split into two games.
Launch Base Zone was pretty much just the end of Disk 1.
6:34 I always interpreted it (before Sonic Generations anyway) that the flashbacks were the events of the classic games just in a different artstyle/different designs
Isn't that still the case? What happens in Generations that would contradict that?
@@HOTD108_ In generations, we get to know that the old design was actually an younger Sonic
10:21
Tbf, I believe this game came out at a time when Modern & Classic Sonic were still treated the same. Like you get a Classic Sonic collection, but it has the modern characters on the box art same.
In my opinion, Sonic Mania is the Sonic 4 that was officially published, and Triple Trouble 16 bit is the the unofficial Sonic 4. And Superstars is Sonic 5.
Came here to comment this. Sonic 1 - 3&K, Triple Trouble 16-Bit, followed by Mania is how I'll play through the series from now on.
@@putridscene we basically have 2 real Sonic 4s that aren’t Episodes 1 and 2. We even have Sonic 5.
This! 💙💛❤💖
Oh, so sonic mania is a sequel to sonic 3 when most of the levels aren’t even new just a birthday game including modern sonic with forces….right.
Technically Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 since Sonic CD released after Sonic 2 making it Sonic 3. If you count Sonic & Knuckles as a stand alone game then Sonic Mania would technically be Sonic 6 but if you count Sonic 4 then Sonic Superstars would be Sonic 9 but that’s only if you count Sonic 4 episode 2 as Sonic 7.
Cd happens before 2 chronologically so sonic 2 is sonic 3
Big brain moment.
And counting sonic advance and rush would boost you to 14 but then again there handheld games.
Imagine getting a Sonic Superstars ad during the Sonic Superstars segment.... couldn't be me 😊
How could you spoil superstars for me by showing the hud
The real sonic 4 was the friends we made along the way
Stolen lol
@@not_kjb i made this comment when I first clicked this video.🤓
@@Frogowning no 🤓
@@not_kjb how are you gonna tell me what I did, imbred 🤓
2:41 I'm not sure if this is a translation thing, but I believe the intended story was that the three are working independently, Fang for profit, Eggman to power the final weapon, Knuckles because he believes Sonic is bad at protecting the emeralds (which makes sense considering the plot starts with Eggman collecting them in secret and losing them in an experiment). That also explains why the three don't work as a team, Knuckles being captured by Eggman and so on
The superstars comic with fang implies that eggman and fang worked together multiple times in the past, which would be sonic the fighters and triple trouble, eggman clearly knows fang well enough to recall all of his past aliases
Fang's theme actually uses a melody from his original theme
1:02 That sound is way too realistic, I really thought someone was knocking hard at my door 😖
SAME
Heavily given Scott the Woz vibes with your jokes 🤣
Hot take but I'm not a fan when new media makes itself a retroactive sequel to something from years ago, even when other entries have come out since. I do think that Knuckles Chaotix (JP version anyway) could be the true Sonic 4 even though Sonic is barely in it. Out of all the games that came out between S3&K and SA1 (including 3D Blast, Triple Trouble, R) Knuckles Chaotix was the only one that felt like it built on the story of 3&K with the Japanese manual mentioning how a new island has risen from the ocean, either from the Master Emerald or Death Egg crashing into Angel Island, I can't remember which
I think superstars is the closest we’re getting to sonic 4
13:29 “Double Doofenshmirtz! Coming at you Fridays!”
Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 because of CD but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation
"And now for my hot take on Resident Evil 4 and Street Fighter III.
17:49 "hydrokidy"💀
In the most serious sense I genuinely give it to the “Episode” games for their boldness to put “Sonic 4” in the title.
In a personal sense I give it to Sonic & Knuckles. S3K was available as a lock-in addition, so despite intent it’s 2 entries in the series.
The real sonic 4 is the superstars we made along the way.
Also hey I’m canon.
Sonic 4 came out July 21st this year except instead of Sonic it was Captain Olimar and the Picklemen
for sonic mania you can technically count the reused zones as originals, specifically the act 2s on every zone
they changed them and added new mechanics so it technically feels like a brand new zone
I love this vid the humour gives off lots of chaotic Scott the Woz energy.
What an amazing conclusion!
Sonic & Knuckles shouldn't have even been scored because it's literally part of Sonic 3 and has always been marketed as such.
I always thought Sonic CD was Sonic 4 because I forgot Sonic 4 actually existed.
Sonic CD is more like Sonic 1.5, since Origins confirmed the game took place after Sonic 1.
Funnily enough, Sonic 4 Episode II is actually a direct sequel to CD, bridging the gap between Metal Sonic's original defeat and subsequent appearances.
Jason’s Sonic: “Nothing worse than a long-awaited sequel that doesn’t live up to expectations.” 9:50
This video is so good it reminds me of Scott the woz keep up the good work
1:01 that knock was so realistic, it scared the crap out of me
Great video, this channel is amazing
Also, are you going to do a video on the games from sonic hacking contest 2023?
Congrats on 7k subs road to 10k🎉🎉🎉
This video got me to ask myself... why was there Sonic Utopia footage on screen?
JustMaxT is now canon
Eh I’m more canon
I NEED TO SAY THIS:
sand sanctuary is sky sanctuary X sandopolis act 1,
lagoon city is sky sanctuary X hydrocity
and pinball carnaval is carnaval night with more pinball elements
and it is my opinion.
17:50 you're pronouncing hydrocity like hedrokity
I love your sense of humor😂😂
They should remake the game that's titled "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" with the Sonic Superstars engine, all of its episodes combined into one game, remixed music, and 4 additional zones afterwards.
that's called a Redux, friend.
Superstars' engine is Unity, and I think you might know where I'm going...
I would prefer if they used the Retro Engine (the one that Sonic CD PC Port and Sonic Mania run on), or do a better job with the engine they *did* use (the Sonic Rush engine).
I always considered sonic advance to be the real sonic 4. However it truly doesn’t matter. I also believe sonic 06 is SA3 but it doesn’t make that game any better. The title of a videogame has nothing to do with quality.
Part 2 is real good and I am so nostalgic for it also thanks for the spoiler of the 5ft character
The real sonic, 4 sonic adventure 1. It’s the game that continues the storyline 3 and 2 set up in the Japanese manuals.
Alternatively, it's Sonic Generations that injects itself before Adventure.
Canonically, it's actually Mania as it takes place after S3&K and well before Adventure, something that has been officially confirmed
@@gengargamer5657Wait, so the timeline is like:
SegaSonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Sonic the Hedgehog CD
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (1992)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic Mania
Sonic Superstars
That's right?
@@Discontinued4 Yes, that it correct, though the first one isn’t canon to the series
@@gengargamer5657Oh, well other than that, that's correct. By the way, is Sonic Pocket Adventure canon? Because at the end of the game Eggman puts on his attire from Sonic Adventure.
That seemed like a technical win for Sonic and Knuckles, felt like we were playing with semantics here. Sonic and Knuckles was clearly intended to be part of the base game of Sonic 3 and came out as an extension doubled down as a stand alone game. The stand alone aspect of the game was a bonus, but lets not forget that it was first and foremost an extension. Its existence as a separate entity repose entirely on technicalities, either be like a lack of development time to release everything at once, or a lack of capacity to hold everything under the same cartridge, or both.
To give a weird analogy of what an extension is, for what its worth. It would be like calling Diablo 2 : Lord of Destruction, Diablo 3, which don't really makes sense to me.
I didn't dislike the video, but I disagree strongly with the conclusion made. The analyses in the video were good, and by that card I will play with my own semantics to argue Sonic Mania back as the real Sonic 4, lol. Just my opinion, though..
SA1 is the best Sonic 4 in my opinion as it’s a proper evolution to the Sonic series, it continues to focus on the gameplay and characters but harder, and it doesn’t reuse too many elements from previous Sonic games.
Advance & Superstars barely has a story.
Mania is more of a celebration of those games than a true sequel.
And Sonic 4.
The best kind of Sonic 4 needs to build upon what the previous three games did.
3&K had a bit more focus on story and characters, so I think the true Sonic 4 should try harder on the story. While also keeping the spirit of the trilogy’s gameplay.
1- Sonic and Knuckles really is just Sonic 3 Part 2. Might as well combine them both, as originally intended, and call it all Sonic 3
2- Sonic Mania is a celebration of the Genesis Sonic Games. There are some new zones yes, but also a bunch of old zones, so... maybe call it Sonic 3.5?
3- Sonic Origins is.... just a rerelease of the original games. It's more of a Definitive Edition. It's Sonic Mega Collection v.2
so Sonic Triple Trouble is 4?
1: Sonic 1
1 1/2: Sonic CD
2: Sonic 2
3: Sonic 3
3 1/2: Sonic & Knuckles
4: Sonic Mania
5: Sonic Superstars
Now the question is what is the real sonic 5
that sonic 4 vc bit really reminds me of the radical soda finding nemo bit, is that the inspo?
You thought you were slick with that Hydro Kite-ey, didn’t you?
The knock at 1:01 scared me it sounded so real (I had headphones on)
So grateful that I can still play both Sonic Adventure games on Steamdeck.
I can see Sonic Team delisting Sonic 4 and pretending S&K was Sonic 4 all along, It would be such a Iizuka thing to say on interviews
17:50 No way bro said Hidro Kity
my stomach churned at the way you pronounced "hydrocity", fucking excellent
I remember downloading Sonic 4 as a kid and thinking it was some sort of bootleg
I think golden capital was the original design for green hill zone
Sonic TT 16-bit bit is the real Sonic 4 in my headcanon.
Love that diss towards Sonic Blast.
Also i wish we had an SA 3 with heavy JSRF influence. Vertical platformint..tricks and showing off...theres.so much potential.
My orher idea that maybe would have been thought if in Saturn era but impossible to realise is a game where theres planet levels (full 3D planets in the style of blue spheres special stage, wiht unique terrain planets and stages. Then stages that make you blast into space and do fast platforming across to other planets. 2 unique stage types and unlimited possiblities. Sorry im a little vague here but its mostly in my head. I know people would like it though.
Teamwork is the real sonic 4
tell me how you got the cell shaded sonic on your xbox dude i want that RN
Sega Sonic The Hedgehog is the real Sonic 4 in my heart, I asked a doctor and they said it was a tumor but my point stands
17:50 GOT ME CACKLING
"HEEDROKITEE"
i would honestly give the uniqueness of mania a higher score. as much as there aren't that many original zones, the act 2 "remixes" of zones is really cool and game me a smile when i saw them. kinda combining nostalgia with neat and fun ideas. imo i would give mania one point or so higher but thats just my opinion. that i dare make on the internet..
still a very lovely video and a nice watch!
Triple trouble 16 bit. No questions asked. End of discussion.
"Sonic 4 killed my grandma"💀
Great video and some great viewpoints. Personally, though, I always saw Sonic Pocket Adventure as Sonic 4 (in my opinion). The game does borrow a ton from the Genesis trilogy and feels like more like a remixed version of the three games, but beyond that and the fact it wasn't developed by Sonic Team directly, but what always made it stand out to me as Sonic 4 was it felt like an end of an era title at the time. Was the first 2d Sonic game predating Sonic Advance where Sonic had his green eyes in a 2d Sonic game, and you also saw the transition of Robotnik where at the start of the game he had his classic attire and look of the Genesis games but by the end you did see him with his attire that he would wear in Sonic Adventure and onward. Just my thoughts, though.
solid opinion
at like 17:55 how do the characters have that outline, if its a mod, can you tell me?
Hey if you wanna Play and enjoy sonic for part one and part two by all means go ahead and this is coming from a guy who enjoys playing sonic 06
The real Sonic 4 is Sonic 4, it's in the title🤓. Knuckles' Chaotix is Knuckles' Chaotix, Blast is Blast, 3D Blast is 3D Blast, Mania is Mania, Superstars is Superstars, it really doesn't matter, it's all just a subtitle. So yeah, from my POV Sonic 4 is the true Sonic 4 because it's Sonic 4, it really doesn't get any deeper than that to me.
Not to undermine your own point, this is just my mindset in general, I don't understand legacies and fuss created over subtitles in such big franchises, I think it's pointless.
As a sidenote, I'd like to point out that the chronology in Mania is anything but a 5/5. Let's water it down to Mania having 3 storylines taking place, Mania Mode, Encore Mode and Mania Adventures. Mania connects directly to Forces wirh the time travel that sends Classic Sonic to the war against the Eggman Empire and Infinite in the future at the end and of course the Phantom Ruby. At the end of Forces Classic Sonic waves Tails goodbye and gets sent back and that's the EXACT frame Mania Adventures picks up from, that show starts as soon as the portal closes, Sonic still being on his waving pose. The Phantom Ruby is gone for good as far as the cast's concerned (it reappears in the Sonic Channel Calendar Stories coming out this year but it's irrelevant for now), most especially Classic Sonic. Show focuses on telling a small semi-isolated epilogue to the main game and does a splendid job with it, last episode is set in Christmas eve with Eggman defeated and Metal Sonic kinda trashed... THEN WHERE THE HELL DOES ENCORE MODE FIT?!?! Saying Mania Adventures isn't canon and Encore Mode is right after Forces is both factually false and a bummer since Mania Adventures slaps and is better than Encore Mode as a product/project overall. So in its first second Encore Mode creates issues by showing a Phantom Ruby portal. Sure, let's shrug it off as a random encounter Sonic ran into and got sent to the recent past off-screen, what, does he just repeat the entire adventure practically one-to-one but with Mighry and Ray in the mix and not just Knuckles and Tails? Did the main game basically not happen at all and Encore Mode replaces it? Not to mention Giga Sonic is basically a copy paste of Knuckles' Chaotix Metal Sonic Kai (which is still canon lemme remind ya), which devalues that older title at best and derails its placement into the overall timeline for no reason at worse. I think it's all a big muddy mess, saying it's a 5/5 in terms of continuity is disingenuous in my opinion.
"Sonic 4 killed my grandma"
Bro pulled a trolls character
Sonic 4 is a great game
Skip to 22:50 for your answer of the video.
Special Stage 5 is super easy because the emerald has a fixed path. Start by grabbing all the ring hoops at the top of the stage, then start arcing yourself far and to the left of the emerald. Once you get the hang of it, you can easily make sure sonic lands in the emerald’s path as it reaches him every time you fall. Almost easier than the first one when you intuit this.
Calling sonic and knuckles the ‘real’ sonic 4 feels wrong to me. It’s like calling persona 2 eternal punishment the ‘real’ persona 3.
WELL DUH IT'S SONIC XTREME OF COURSE!
Sonic Adventure was always the real Sonic 4
Huh how in the trailer for superstars goes from emerald hill to bridge island
Way past cool
23:08 wait... I've seen this bot before.
But not on this game
But for a mod of a sonic fangame made off the doom engine...
The real Sonic 4, in my opinion, is Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit. It takes place right after the events of Sonic 3 and everything from the gameplay, spritework, and music is a true successor to everything in Sonic 3. I love everything about it, and it deserves to be more popular!
Nah it is the one on the snes where you save marios and the game crashes when you grab a item.
come on guys, get real for a second
the real Sonic 4 is SONIC OMENS of course! surely i won't get bombarded by hate comments by saying this silly thing
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Sonic Omens is definitely a game that exists.
@@legoboy7107 the gamest Sonicest game of all timest
8:11 I dont wanna be the "umm actually☝️🤓" guy, but technically Sonic Advance takes place before Sonic Adventure
No it doesn't. There's no evidence of SA1 coming after Advance, especially given that Amy got her desire to be a hero from SA1. And then fumbled the bag in SA2, implying that was her first time since she was playable in Advance 1.
So it's SA1 & 2 (Amy development, Shadow debut), then Advance 1 & 2 (Cream debut), then Heroes (Cream returns, Shadow returns), then Shadow (concludes Shadow's arc), then Battle (Shadow appears with amnesia gone), Emerl debut and death), then Advance 3 (Gemerl, a clone of Emerl, debut).
@@espurrseyes42 Well, there is one evindence, In Sonic Adventure 1, the original Tornado was damaged in Sky Chase Act 1, after that, Tails builds the Tornado 2, which is present for the rest of the game, in Sonic Advance 1, the good ending cutscene shows Tails on the original Tornado searching for Sonic, in SA2, the first cutscene with Tails shows him with a new variation of the Tornado, the Tornado 3, then he transforms the Tornado 3 into the Cyclone, the Tornado 2 then reappers in the first cutscene of Team Sonic in Sonic Heroes and the special stages of Sonic Advance 3, and the Tornado 3 reappears on the Circus Park cutscene in Shadow the Hedgehog
@@gustavoalvesbraga2612
There are different Tornados. There's the original red one, owned by Sonic. There's an unpainted prototype for the 2 that Tails had earlier in the game. There's the actual 2, otherwise known as the X Tornado because of its alt form. There's the 3, otherwise known as the Cyclone, that can morph into a walker mech and a car. And there's one in Unleashed that is red, but can also morph into an X form. He clearly just rebuilt the original Tornado and decided to use that one in Advance. There's no 1 singular Tornado that just gets modded every few games. Which would be dumb since that means he would have downgraded the Tornado by Lost World, where it's back to being propeller based and having none of the advancement from SA1 or 2.
Actually, the tornado is a really good argument that I never thought about. It’s possible it could be the tornado 3 and could be after SA2, but that’s up to interpretation for now.
very respectable opinions
Sonic 4 is Sonic 4 just accept it even if it’s bad
No
@@corndawgtabrocker6969Wdym "No"?!?! The other ones are either too wacky and all over the place or too modern
@@Raymi20- :)))
Your pronunciation of hydrocity just cut my lifespan in half.
The Genesis games already run at 60*(unless you're in a PAL region, then they run at 50fps).
Triple Trouble is basically Sonic 3.25 and Sonic and Knuckles is Sonic 3.5
Always asking what the real sonic 4 is but never asking how the real sonic 4 is?
Deep😔
Mania is 4. Superstars is 5. Didn't need a 24 minute dissertation to get to the bottom of that.😂
Why did he say.... "Hydrocity"... like that....
Mania, next question
7:58 The start of the actual contenders
About Triple Trouble, I have a question about the 16-bit version. I know it still wouldn't change much, but it's better gameplay in the 16-bit. Would that raise the gameplay with different turnouts from the 8-bit version?
I cant remember having any glitches in sonic superstars actualy
The true Sonic 4 would be Sonic Superstars, as it takes place right after Sonic 3&K
Sonic Rush is peak Sonic
Even tho it's a fangame.. i still think Sonic Triple Trouble 16 bits is the TRUE Sonic 4.