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- I finally discuss Archie Sonic being good.
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#Sonic #SonicTheHedgehog #sonicfrontiers
TRIPLETS BORN. A THRONE AWAITS.
A seer warns of a deadly fate!
Give up your children, separate.
Bide your time, lie in wait
SONIC UNDERGROUND!
They made a vow there mother will be found
According to Ian Flynn Amy is a time jumper/guardian(What Silver tries and fails to be) and is currently going through and repairing alternate timelines that were damaged by an Unknown cause (He hinted it was Shadow's doing) had the Archie Comics not been canceled(nor warped beyond recognition due to a certain someone forcing Sega and Archie to retcon alot of plot points and characters)this would have been explored in future installments
Dude that actually sounds like a badass story line.
CURSE YOU KEN PENDERS
Thanks a lot Ken Penders,we were robbed of a cool story...
We gonna talk about how Bunnie and Antoine's kids are cyborgs like it's hereditary?
The kids' designs are extremely lazy, they just look like younger versions of their parents
You do know they could have gotten their body parts roboticized to augment their own abilities, right?
I think it's even weirder that they treat Bunnie and Antoine's accents as hereditary
@@historian252my question is how did bunnie and Antione even do the dirty cuz bunny is completely cyborg from the stomach below
Sonic might be fast, but he can never be faster than child support
Or faster than Geoffrey in one department, according to Penders. :P
Sonic becoming a dad sounds like an illusive dream.
Sounds more like one of the first things when you search him up on Deviantart..
There's a canon game where he basically becomes an adoptive dad lol
@@user-gw3bs2in5i Which one? Chao Garden?
@@LoveLynx-s9r Nope! Sonic Battle. The plot of the game is literally the sonic gang raising what's essentially a baby robot.
Thanks!
Considering that both future timelines were during Amy's yandere phase, it was a missed opportunity to see how where Amy was.
Especially in a timeline where Sonic didn't exist.
Honestly, I have yet to meet a Sonic fan who hasn't said to at least give the Archie Comics a chance (mostly to start at issue 160 since that's when Ian Flynn starts as editor).
Nah, read all of ken penders issues, those are peak sonic comics
I've never heard a Sonic fan say "stay away from archie" and I'll never say it. Who are these people that think they represent us??
The comics are so long that I can’t bother to read them finishing the entire Archie storyline will be as long as reading 5 diary of a wimpy books in a row
@@SparklingJam You must be young if you think Diary of a Wimpy Kid is long. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe try to give Archie another go when you're older? Or break it into arcs
My first true experience was in the form of Sonic Comic Dramas on TH-cam, namely, #172 I believe.
2:06 Shadow basically had to marry Sally just to take power of the Acorn monarchy
3:17 It's a neat little Sonic Underground nod
7:30 Average married couple argument
8:44 This future timeline implies that Antoine getting blown up never happens in the first place
9:46 Sonic Adventure 1 Redux
10:22 It's pronounced "Jocks" because it's a French name
10:33 Greatest Southern-French combo since Louisiana
11:53 Exposition
13:06 Too bad the ending of the old continuity and the Super Genesis Wave pretty much wiped this entire alternate future from existence.
It's actually pronounce way closer to "Jack" but without that "d" sound you make while pronouncing the "J"
Honestly, Antoine was definitely going to recover, it was only a matter of time. The only reason things seemed so bleak on his end was because things were bleak everywhere.
And if that explanation doesn’t work for you, honestly, Bunnie could have gotten pregnant with twins before Antoine ‘died’ and we just didn’t know it yet by the time of that stupid Genesis wave.
I know a lot of people who both loved and hated Archie Sonic. Don't let "fans/purists" determine for you the quality of something. Archie Sonic is different, but it's actually pretty good, but like any long running book, it has good arcs and some bad arcs. It must be pretty good overall to last as long as it did, even winning a Guinness World Record for it
What I like about Pre-Reboot Archie Sonic is that Mobius Prime given plenty of lore and history separate from the Sonic vs Eggman narrative. A living, breathing world that isn't solely dependent on those two to exist and events happened without either of them present for it.
My theory in the continuity Tikal sealed herself into the master emerald with Chaos because Super Sonic either failed or Tikal didn't care enough to try due to the dire situation. After decades of time they became corrupted by the abundance of chaos energy and the only way to contain it was to have Tikal be the main physical body while Chaos ate the master emerald from the inside out. Shadow would see this as an opportunity to weaponize it's power without overloading himself by attempting to pull a Scourge. The result of the fusion led to Tikal sacrificing her mental stability due to hunger for Chaos energy. In return of being a weapon Shadow occasionally give Tikhaos a Chaos spear for a meal and a Chaos blast for when he was desperate for that damn fourth 'ruin'. Any way when Shadow returns in the 3rd issue of the story there is a reason Tikhaos is starved on chaos energy.
Or after sonic generations a remnant of chaos finds its way to the master emerald regaining its original form it rucks chaos against angel island knuckles tries to stop it but in the end Tikal uses the little bit of her spirit (I say spirit because she’s dead) to fuse with chaos and contain it in that orb
Tbh Vector would be a great dad.
Wished I had one.
He’s one of Charmy’s dads along with Espio.
What are fandoms for?
@@gangstasonic97573Are you sure Vector isn't a dad to Espio too? 😂
i do remember when sonic paid 200K a year for child support
Actually I had Sonic fans recommend the opposite. I was told to Actually give the comics a try and see if I liked them. Not done reading yet, but most stories are pretty good, and full on wacky 😅
Who on earth would tell anyone to stay away from the sonic archie series? This was my childhood😂😂😂
You know, those brainwashed with thoughts "Look what a cringe artstyle! It's not like the games and thus Freedom Fighters and comics original characters are OC's from DeviantArt! Look at this Ken Penders picture, surely comic consists only of politics and adult sexually assaulting underage characters"
You know, typical tired cliche mindset. It's just like Sonic fans would say you to stay away from every Sega of America product just because they didn't grow up with this meaning that this is automatically garbage
@@ashesGeek
Exactly. I hate it when people nitpick at the most cringey aspects of Archie's Sonic comic run and act as if that sums it up as a whole. I swear most people are under some sort of compulsion to spread as much misinformation they can about something they dislike. But when you do that to something they love, they bitch and play the victim.
I'm not gonna act like Archie's lore and history is flawless but at least it had the balls to experiment and step out of its comfort zone unlike SEGA. There are so many cool ideas and they even expanded upon ideas in the main series. But we don't talk about the cool stuff. Oh no, that would require not being a sheep and thinking for ourselves. Let's instead go on another endless tirade about how Ken Penders made some Nazi Echidnas or his numerous attempts at writing bad romantic subplots.
The Chaos Force? The Genesis Wave? Scourge? Enerjak? Mammoth Mogul? Mecha Sally? The awesome Mega Man X Sonic crossovers? Sonic actually being a complex character? Nah we gotta ignore the cool things and meatride the hate bandwagon.
@@utopian4769 you do know that having a opinion does sorta mean to nitpick to right? Like your gonna need to nitpick something, it's part of having a opinion
@@utopian4769 I'm pretty sure a lot of people hate Mecha Sally, or at least the arc she's in. Or maybe they're just loud and not numerous.
Regardless, I think Archie Sonic is at least worth a try. Even if you don't end up liking it, at least you learnt about something interesting. It _was_ a big part of Sonic's history after all. It was one of the only Sonic media during the 'Sega Saturn drought'.
@ashesGeek I freaking love the Archie comics and ESPECIALLY Scourge. However screw Penders tho, guy deserved all that hate and ruined Archie for everyone.
Mina is 14-16 when she meets the 11 year old Tails. The age gap ain’t that big. The relationship is only strange since the two barely interact in the main continuity
It's best not to think too much about it. The characters ages are as constant as the status of the moon
@@ligtningdog6399 not in Archie. The series has a pretty well-done forwarding-timeline
Forgot tails wasn’t 8 in Archie lmao. My fault g.
@@XPool It's hard getting ages right for archie anyways. I'm pretty sure Sonic in this continuity had two fifteenth birthdays (pre-reboot).
I really like the part when the triples are born and the throne awaits 😃
11:53 has to be my favourite joke in the entire video. Well fucking played
Am I the only one who’s bother by Sonic having the title king? That’s not the title he should have! The title king is ranked above the title queen. When a kingdom is ruled by a king, his wife is called a queen because that title is below king. But when a kingdom is ruled by a queen, such as Queen Sally, her husband would be called a prince because that’s the title below queen. If the monarch is a queen, then her husband would never be called king because a spouse would never have a higher ranking title than the monarch’s title. It shouldn’t be King Sonic and Queen Sally, it should be Queen Sally and Prince Sonic. The comic treats Sally like she’s a queen consort, but she’s not, she’s a queen regnant. Sonic’s the one who would be prince consort.
Really? Huh, that's interesting.
I dislike how Shadow is straight up sadistic in this storyline. That's so out of character for him. It's one thing to portray him as violent or mean, but him actually taking pleasure in seeing others suffer is straight up wrong. That's not what his character is. He's Shadow the Hedgehog, not the Joker.
One this isn't main timeline Shadow but an alternate universe version of himself who went mad. Second Flynn mentioned he wanted to touch upon this universe again before the reboot happened so we likely would have learned what drove this version of Shadow mad. Last need I remind you that in Shadow's first appearance ge was content with letting the Ark crash onto their homepage before Amy convinced him not to.
Sonic visits the sonic underground universe. And meets Sonia and Manic. I’m pretty sure that’s why he named his kids the same names
WHEN DID HE GO TO SONIC UNDERGROUND!?
@@eway44 In issue 10 of Sonic Super Special.
It also had a part 2 of a crossover with Sabrina the Teenage Witch _(because apparently that also happened, as Archie Comics own the license to her at the time)._
This if why sega has such intense mandates now
Nah, Ken Penders is why it has such mandates. These stories help reinforce it though.
No, its just due to pure incompetency
2:27-2:31 Lien-Da’s Julie-Su’s older half-sister, not her Mother.
0:40 best crossover ever because we even had Mega Man X and Zero show up and dude that was awesome
Thank you for talking about this! This is unironically one of my favorite Archie Sonic comic series, among many others!
I appreciate the reference to Sonic underground 😂 However it just think how wild it would be if his siblings actually did make an appearance again in a show or game.
I burst out laughing at 11:52
And the sonic underground jokes cut always you made.
It made my day
😂😂😂😂
Dadnic the Hedgehog 🚬🗿💙
Yes, and I’ll always miss it. Just like everything from Archie(Preboot). Rip Preboot Archie Sonic, you were gone too soon.
Here's the weirdest part, this isn't the only time Sonic was a dad. In a canon game, he basically becomes the adoptive father of a robot character. iykyk
…he ain’t wrong Archie ain’t bad- (also)
Xpool:TRIPLES BORN-
Me:STOP-
THE THRONE AWAITS
Yeah, it was _maybe_ funny the first time, but every other time it was just annoying.
@@robertlupa8273 IT'S forever funny
Unpopular opinion maybe? Sonic is a dynamic character and he's allowed to do something other than run from things? Everyone grows up someday and he's already someone that values the people he loves, why would that change for children? It actually makes an incredible story to find what he does with that kind of responsibility. I think it's very static of some fans to never look towards the future...
SONIC UNDERGROUND REFERENCE!? BEST 90S SONIC SHOW SONIC UNDERGROUND REFERENCE??????
So... since Shadow never got a divorce with sally, saying he is still married to her. Then Sonic marries Sally. None of them got a divorce saying they are all married. I'm not a sonadow shipper but TECHNICALLY sonic and shadow are married?? 😨😨
Not really - it’s more like a polyamorous marriage with Sally and a touch of bigamy
My favorite part of the video😂😂😂😂😂 5:33 😂
I don't know where all of the hate for the archie comics started coming from. I mean I understand why a lot of pepper dislike it but growing up I remember always hearing people talk about how much they loved it
2:19 this is the American way 😂
Dude this video is so well made, you’re so underrated. Made me laugh 😂😂
Sonic underground is the best sonic cartoon
French speaker here. Jacques is pronounced like you'd pronounce Jack (yes, the u, e and s are silent)
... for the record, Lien-da is actually Julie-Su's (Knuckles' wife) step-sister. And in the stories, she actually becomes a pretty good bad guy, and one that actually has to put in effort and organization to achieve her plans
Gosh archie comics were so weird, I forgot how weird they were lol. I remember liking these as a kid, but gosh now knowing who ken penders is it explains so much of the weird crap like his echidna OCs
Although I fondly remember the silver future timeline thingy and the tails spinoff on the island
Marriage no way
The Archie comic is my favorite Sonic thing ever. For as bad as some stuff is, it is still amazing. While the original 25 Years Later is bad, the stuff Ian Flynn did was great.
Fynnn killed off the Freedom Fighters
@@nasceredickinson2319 wdym?
I loved Scourge in the Archie comics. Screw Penders. Hopefully Surge holds up the legacy well.
@@jamesnova745 I hate Surge. She is a lame rip-off that has had way too much screentime and none of the personality Scourge did. All she does is show that this version of Sonic is an awful person.
The OG 25 years later was not bad it was pretty ok slice of life
Lien-da is Julie-su's step sister
Never in my life thought sonic would be a dad lol
It didn't last long, but at least he was a better dad than goku.
@ZER0O9 Watching to much team four stars I see.
@isaacbell5156 I don't watch the abridged stuff, in DBZ canon goku is just a crap dad.
If dying for my son TWICE makes me a bad dad then I don't know what to say about you, and don't bring up the senzu bean against Cell because Goku was actually looking at the bigger picture when he did that. If he didn't give Cell the senzu bean he would get desperate and kill Gohan and the rest of the Z-fighters right away. He's not a perfect dad but far from a bad one
I'm not sure how I feel about the ending. I would've loved to see Sonia & Manik's reaction to Super Sonic.
TH-cam user: Natalie Guest did a stunning job of producing a highquality comic dub of this very story that clocks in at about 40 minutes long. If anyone wants to check this story out, that'd be the best way of experiencing it.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Oh god! Sonic actually violated a woman? My childhood is ruined!
Archie had some weird stories. Don't worry tho, that blunder was deleted from history with the genesis wave. Also, that was an evil sonic I believe.
So keep your childhood intact!
Southern french must sound like the "Outrageous accent" from Mounty python.
5:02 oh great “child protection” where instead of protecting kids you put them in a bubble with a limited air supply and claim they’re just asleep.
I like the Archie Books. Even a lot of the weird era. My biggest complaint (besides the many dropped plot points and concepts, and horrendous forgotten details) is just the depiction of Sonic. What can I say. When Sonic is fleshed out and made more into a full 3D “character”, he comes as far more bland and generic. I prefer the Japanese version, which keeps Sonic as mystical ideal
So you're saying Sonic is better when he's simple? I guess that makes sense. He's kind of that perfect role model we look up to. Always positive, friend to all (except the ones who hurt others, and even then he's willing to help them change for better).
@@robertlupa8273 I get that other readers and writers want to experiment and have a more fleshed out Sonic, but to me, I think that goes against everything that makes Sonic who he is. As both his song and his line to Shadow make him out, he’s just a simple guy who loves adventure and does what he thinks is right without thinking of himself as some kind of hero. He’s the embodiment of nature and purity. That’s the character to me
Gotta say I loved the Scourge arc in the Archie comics. Screw Penders tho.
How is that "mystical ideal" sonic any less bland and generic, wtf??? It can work in the more simplistic stories like the classics but in more complex stories, it'll get annoying REAL fast. So sonic should be a gary stu then? 😂
@@yungmuney5903 Gary Stu/Mary Sues are people that are always right, can never lose, and are all powerful. Nothing about what I’ve commented points towards that at all. The best Sonic stories in my opinion (The Storybook Games, Unleashed, and Heroes) don’t portray Sonic as a “Gary Stu”. Even the Adventure games and Frontiers still portray Sonic as “mystical entity” who is a “flat character”. Making Sonic a 3-dimensional character makes him generic and goes against his whole concept
Archie sonic scares me
Every sonamy fan hates sally with sonic 😂
The same with every sonally fan hates amy with sonic, what makes them so different?😏
@@SugarMama98-qb2td
I don't see them hating bc Sonally is more canon than Sonamy has ever been
@@MsMvsc Sonamy is canon too, Dude! Sega just keeps it a secret to the audience.
VECTOR HAD A KID??!!?!?!
So were was amy in the 30 years laster comic
I don't believe she made an appearance.
these stories in the futures are actually not the set end all future, they're alternate futures, so no antoine in this timeline probably was never blown up
TRIPLETS BORN, A THRONE AWAITS
A SEER WARNS OF A DEADLY FATE
GIVE UP YOUR CHILDREN, SEPARATE
There is a reason Rotor doesn't have kids. A very very rainbow reason.
Bluuurgghhh
I’m gonna be completely real with you, I kinda enjoyed Archie Sonic but this…….is stretching it. Like the mega man crossover was amazing but this is a no.
Why is this a no ? This is peak
10:22 Southern+French is Louisiana
I can't wait till Netflix Games comes out so we get acces to the OFFICIAL Android port of Sonic Mania Plus. The Android decomp already exists. I hope they don't ruin the Official port. Not related to the video but still
I think we all know that Sonic wouldn’t be a god damn king
I’m pretty sure this comic is a different timeline in the archie universe so anythings possible
@@rhysmendozavilla2378 still dosent fit his character at all
@@chiliboi69 Archie Sonic is different character
@@trainerred6990 than why in a earlier version of this guy would he reject becoming a king and not just once ha she said that WHY DOES HE NOW?!
@@chiliboi69 Because he been young at the time, Sonic is 40-50 in the future Archie timeline, many people changes their perspectives on life, especially when all villains are defeated years ago.
5:12-5:23 In the Archie Comics, Tails was 11 and Mina was 16-17. Plus apparently, Tails couldn’t do any better than dating one of Sonic’s sloppy seconds under the writing of Ian Flynn.
Yea kinda sucks
@@mrboerger1620 It does, that’s why I’m kind of glad the Super Genesis Wave happened.
Pretty sure Tails and Mina were a couple in Ken’s 25 years later
@@lindseylindsey9200 It’s true he was, but remember, Ken Penders made Geoffrey St. John. The fans of Archie Sonic comics discovered that Geoffrey is a pedophile, due to him pursuing Sally.
when ever i hear sonic underground thats like the first thing i thin- TRIPLETS BORN
This was one of my favourite stories in the Archie comic run! ❤
Is the reason we don't see them in the games because Sonic went to get milk.
2:17 that part jumpscared me
I remember owning a copy of one these comics... it was weird. I wonder if other comics were localized to brazilian portuguese.
For far i know it was Just the 5 first chapters that got i oficial translation.
Knuckles looks like the good Kano of this comic series
Triplets born
THE THRONE AWAITS
A seer warns of a deadly fate
Give up your children, seperate
I read the first part of the Mega Man crossover when I was young
I never got around to continuing it
The Light Mobius SubSeries would be epic. And would allow us to explore characters who weren't able to appear in said future yet.
Also, what do you mean "OH Shoot, Light Mobius Is Back!?"
I died.
@@XPoolRIP😢
That Miles name change gives me Enzo Matrix flashbacks.
I love when he randomly cackles like a maniac
🤓Actually, in Archie, Tails was 11 when Mina was 16... 😞 I'm not proud of myself. Also, to answer your question (9:03), pool party gone wrong. Watch where you cannonball, kids.😂 JK.
I still stand that they did Shadow wrong here 😒
God I do not miss Archie. This writing was terrible. The video was amazing though, keep up the good work dude
The writing was the one of the best sonic stories
Wait, so that means that this is the only timeline where Sonic fu-
Archie was the best comic. Everyone who claims to be a Sonic fan should read them!
last year I read on google that the sonic underground universe was erased completely for some reason, probably a connection somewhere
Yeah I kinda hated the Archie comics aside from genissis and mega man crossover
It had its moments. I think there is more to appreciate in the Archie comics, just... Not enough. Loved the mega man crossover.
Tails doing a donut shop ad feels in character somehow.
I have never read these comics before this is the first time I’ve heard anything about it. I’m speechless, THIS IS A SONIC COMIC?????????????????
Sonic has comics made in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Japan (although they call them Mangas there). And in each of these, Sonic is written and drawn in different ways that can make him resemble his characterization from the video games or take his own direction. In the end, the aim is to give development to him and the characters that accompany him. Personally, I adore Sonic's mangas because he acts very comical and playful, almost like a Looney Tones.
A SEEWARNS OF A DEADLY FATE
Awesome Video Bro!
Gives "gotta go fast" a new meaning
I'm sorry, the Archie comics are trash stated by fans? You must have meant Ken Penders is trash stated by fans, because I LOVED the Archie comics. My favorite character was Scourge and all his stories! Ken Penders really ruined it for everyone tho. And under his grand leadership the comics did eventually become trash. Hopefully Surge from the IDW comics will hold up to the legacy of Scourge.
Penders as such did not have absolute leadership. Even some of his first stories were done with a co-writer. Where he had more control was in the stories that revolved around Knuckles. If it were up to him he would have killed Sonic and left Kuckles as the only protagonist of Archie comics.
ok lol
@@makotominamoto3247 Actually, he would've killed Sally (in Endgame), which even he admitted would've been a bad idea in hindsight _(probably because not killing her off meant having yet another character to spread his "daddy is always right" mindset, as if Knuckles wasn't enough)._
As for the "co-writer" part, I'm curious how much influence Mike Kanterovich had over the stories. Was it half-and-half? Was it mostly Penders, with slight guidance/restraint? Were the two on good terms or not?
I just got this series, I’ve wanted it for a while, so I bought it off EBay! I really like it.
Tails was actually 11 in this Sonic universe as of to 1 year time skip from when Sonic from his perspective was in space for a month. So there’s only about a 4 to 5 year difference between Tails and Mina who was about 15-16 in the present day timeline.
That Roger Craig Smith impression at 4:00 is very on spot
Game: Sonic Frontiers
wheeeze
7:46 Maybe Cream’s mom Vanilla?
Tails is actually 11 in this universe, not 8. And Mina Mongoose, who is like 16, isn't even close to being a fully grown adult, but instead close to being a legal adult. Even then, 18 is technically still a teen if legality doesn't count.
Oh yea....I remember that.
daddy sonic is best sonic ... change my mind 😁
People who realized the Pac-Man show reference
👇
0:03 I read this story years ago and everyone wants to throttle (a device controlling the flow of fuel or power to an engine.
"the engines were at full throttle") (attack or kill (someone) by choking or strangling them.
"she was sorely tempted to throttle him") their kids.
Queen coral was a better parent in comparison because she didn’t constantly threaten to destroy her offspring, she just dragged them on a chain, nearly gagged them with a chain, and threatened to kill one of them ONCE.
This is the level of bad (“take the kids away from the parents and force them to eat pop corn in a desert because it’s a better life for them” - Joel) parenting we have sank to.
I try not to remember. Because i remember that his kids were erased from time.
The fact that they did the JFK conspiracy theory. I can’t get over that
I think he’s on something😅 2:19
remember that time when sonic was a WHAT!??!!?!??!