RESIDENT EVIL; How resident evil 4 remake changed Leon’s relationship with Ada Wong
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2023
- Resident evil did a lot of things different in its critically acclaimed Resident evil 4 remake. One of the smaller but changes I thought was good was the ones between Leon And ada and how the remake changes how Leon feels about Ada. So we will be looking at their past relationship, and the one that’s in the remakes
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Edit made on 10/1/23: Looking for more RE content? Just Posted some Content on Luis and his appearances in re4 and Seperate ways! Give it a watch! th-cam.com/video/u9E-xAN-h7s/w-d-xo.html
You were Spot On 100%. Great analysis.
Fortunately I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I like Leon's and Ada's relationship change in the Remake timeline more because it's more realistic and comprehensible. I'm still puzzled that many people think that OG RE4 Leon is a Chad (you may have seen the Sad vs. Chad memes). I think it's the opposite. In the OG timeline he's more of a simp towards Ada than anything. Finally he puts his foot down and signals that he doesn't put up with Ada's BS anymore. She has to earn his trust. I hope that this will be fleshed out more in future installments.
@@gibramrivera-yv2loexactly. That's the main reason why people says og Leon is chad
To be fair, OG RE4 followed ClaireA/LeonB, where Ada "died" in Leon's arms and he never knew for sure that she was a spy. Ada might have used him, but never outright betrayed him. In OG RE4, they're just two professionals serving different interests.
Their relationship cannot be the same in the remakes because Ada manipulated and betrayed Leon in RE2make. Leon doesn't trust her and is always on guard around her. Likewise, Ada isn't even trying to put on a femme fatale act because she knows he won't buy into it.
Here's hoping RE6 plays on this to make Leon less dumb with Carla. Like, have him be like, "Ada wouldn't do this. No, I mean, she's always been a spy for whoever pays. She'd have no reason to do something like this. No, something else is going on here."
@@gibramrivera-yv2lo You're not right neither. In the remake, Leon literally acts suspicious towards Ada, reject her, litteraly he says she has a stone-heart when she help him or ask her why she’s here and ask her about racoon city event unlike in re4 og on the boat, Leon og prefer flirt with her during the boat scene. Leon is weakened so he didn't not really let's Ada take the sample by will. While in the original Leon know about the million of casuallity the sample can do, he also knows that she works with wesker unlike in the remake but he still refuse to shoot or doing anything during the ending
Leon kennedy OG about Ada a Biological therorist at the ending- She's like a part of me I can't let go
Leon kennedy Remake about Ada: Flirt with Ashley
@@gibramrivera-yv2lo I agree with you og Leon was chad but Chris and Leon are definitely not terrorists I like the way the original re4 Leon acted more but new one isn’t horrible
@@gibramrivera-yv2lo oh wow would you mind explaining to me story I just don’t ever think I’ve seen it
I think the seperate ways remake added yet another interesting layer to the new dynamic between Leon and Ada. Ada certainly watched out for Leon quite a bit in the og seperate ways but i feel like she did so much more to facilitate Leon's success in the remake. I honestly felt a little bad for her because she did so much she'll never get credit for. To top it all off she doesnt even give wesker the amber in the end putting herself on the personal hit list of a highly trained genetically augmented megalomaniac.
After seperate ways i came away with the feeling that its not really that Ada isnt 'morally good' enough for Leon; just that she's too flighty, distant, and hard to pin down. Leon has a hard time reading her and she's not willing to open up. To me thats a lot more interesting than their relationship not working cus hes a 'good guy' and shes a 'bad guy'. I also kinda like the message that being mysterious and aloof isnt really that 'cool' it actually gets in the way of healthy relationships.
Heavily agree. We saw Ada did a lot for Leon, but her refusing to be vulnerable and real with him just pushes him away. It'll be really interesting to see how this affects their dynamic in an RE6: Remake.
I disagree. I think og Ada did a lot more than the remake. She went out of her way to help Leon in the og. She even defied Wesker and lied to him to keep Leon safe. Remake Ada was more bothered trying to help Leon. The church bell shows she wasn't trying to help Leon with ringing the bell. She just happened to be there while og Ada made it her mission to ring the bell to help Leon out because she still cared.
Bad girl ** she not man...
@@animecookies8784I disagree.
But Ada isn’t even bad though, so idk why you said she is, she is a morally gray character yes, but she isn’t bad.
I like the changes to their relationship and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who disliked the path og 4 took them down. This feels like a realistic reaction to Ada coming back. And it does feel like Ada is moving forward. She did change, Leon left a mark on her in RE2 and that's why she makes the helicopter turn around.
I'd love to see Ada in a game without Leon, give her a game where she chooses to do something heroic without him.
100% !! you put it perfectly
Honestly this statement only became more true after separate ways
Omg yess well said
Hey, Leon is a good boy, and good boy can heal people😊
@@elanlynn5973ok??
I found this new dynamic they have quite interesting and more understandable. It make sense. I mean its been 6 years since the Raccoon incident, the way how Leon acted in the OG make little sense ( more entertaining for sure).
In the remake you can see Leon still harbor some kind of feelings for her, just way more subtle and i love it.
Like the little smile he did when he heard her voice for the first time in 6 years. Then again he smirk when she disappeared through the windows. Little comments that he said to Ashley about her as well.
Like he still fond of her, but more guarded because despite the fondness he knows he cant fully trust her yet.
I enjoy Leon and Ada’s relationship but it needs more improvement. Nothing wrong with Leon showing his affection for Ada. This Leon seems to be tired of Ada while OG Leon is seeming to be all in on her.
leon obv isnt as open abt his affection but there are a lot of moments where leon shows that he still cares abt ada. like when she first came on screen and started talking, leon automatically started smiling (literally one of the first times hes smiled the whole game), just by hearing her voice. its wayyyy more subtle, and i agree, i wish they made him at least a little more affectionate.
Couldn't be more agree, in OG Leon conversation ending with ashley, he said "she's a part of me that I can't let go" which is referring to ada, how cute they are actually 😆
i kinda like that. it makes sense. he’s met her once before and she was an awful person who used him and committed atrocities. seeing her after thinking she was dead and knowing the game she plays it’s no wonder he’s not having her shit.
Normal I ask you a question about the relationship of Leon and Ada in the classic what is their relationship like?
@@iikliii_66 uma merda.
Hopefully, if they should ever remake 6, they keep this relationship.
Leon was way too doe-eyed for Ada in that game, considering she was suspected of being responsible for the C-Virus outbreak in Edonia and China (even though it was Carla).
There's no way he just goes with that, especially after the events of 4 and the fact she reported directly to Simmons after betraying Wesker. He had no way of knowing that Ada turned on Wesker and Simmons was the one responsible for the outbreak in Leon's own campaign.
Him protecting Ada from Chris's anger is believable, but he very much would do this so that she could be brought in for questioning, not because he's smitten with her.
I hope they go back to the old relationship. His love for ada has always been very important to his character and the story. They ruined that major element in re4r
@@Lilhajxjk274it's not, his love for ada just made Leon much more stupid and unreal in the ogs, his reactions when he see her don't make sense, keeping in mind that he already know about her real job
@@gabshugoki Stay single. His reaction makes sense
nice to see people talking about this. hopefully separate ways for re 4 remake fleshes out some of her own thoughts a bit more too.
She cares for him but also treats him like a dog, and used him as a distraction for her mission
Evidence?
There's no way Leon and Ada relationship will end. It's just happen that they made Leon so smart in the Remake but you can still see him have feelings for Ada.
There's nothing wrong on pursuing someone you love but what's wrong is if it's so much toxic. I'm glad Ada is beginning to develop as a main character now.
Just hoping there will be a new game where Leon finally learns about Ada's past and started to understand her more and Ada will finally open up to Leon on what she actually is. Just like Batman and Catwoman in the comics there's a point that they decided to open up to each other and understand their views about everything.
But anyway Leon and Ada is still shipping 💪
Hell no. It was all to her greater benefit. Leon was filthy, exhausted and badly injured while ada didn't even sustain a scratch. Leon was the catalyst for her dirty work and in that, she got the amber just like she wanted. Ada HAD to help Leon. There is not a single instance where she helps him where it didn't benefit herself in some way. The first time they cross paths she instigates to leave Ashley to DIE, all so she can exploit his combat capabilities and basically make it easier for her to get the amber. (Just like she did in the 2nd game, manipulate, steal virus) I find it hard to believe that anyone can actually deduct that Ada just cares about Leon when she plain and simply doesn't care about anyone except herself. By the end of the game Ada is clearly jealous of Ashley because she instigates for him to leave Ash to die, again. As for the ending sequence, when she hijacks the plane, people think she is so heroic but I beg to differ. She's been fighting gruesome and terrifying monsters for the entire game and someone she KNOWS is a criminal mastermind who wants the virus that turns those people into monsters. She's not stupid. She KNOWS that at least human experimentation will happen. But she still chooses to sell the amber. It's only when Wesker says he will kill billions, does it cross a line? C'mon. Ada is an evil character, she is not "morally grey" she is a master manipulator, conniving and a terrorist. Leon would not ruin his career for her. Even if he hates it, to the core, he is selfless and kind. He would never AND I MEAN EVER get with a woman who is a terrorist. She is a criminal. Even if he likes her, it'll never happen. And if it does, Capcom has truly descended into madness, it would stomp all over Leon's heroic and kind character, to end up fucking a terrorist, a woman who instigated and acted as accessory to a terroristic crime.
13:33 here, she manipulates him. She uses her seduction and beauty to try and get Leon to leave Ashley to DIE. Manipulation at its finest.
@@trin999 Lmao she didn’t manipulate him she was just flirting with him, what’s wrong with you..
I know most people's fondness of Ada comes from her looks. If her character as it fucking stands today was a fat, greasy pimply woman who tried to do what Ada does to Leon, she would be universally hated. She is the biggest case of pretty privilege I have ever seen in media. Her nasty personality would not fly if she wasn't attractive, and even more so an attractive Asian woman. Gen-Z and late millennials seem to have a thing for romanticizing asians. There is nothing romantic about ada flaunting her looks to manipulate Leon to obtain a sample of a virus to sell to a crime lord. Y'all's fantasies are over.
@@evan9811 there is no reasoning with you people LOL 😭 "leave the girl, she's lost no matter what" (instigating that Leon leaves Ashley to die, for Ada's own benefit) "maybe you'll live to meet me again" (playing with his feelings and trying to get him to go with her) "and then I could get you that greeting you were looking for" (trying to seduce him and put sexual/romantic undertones to it, so Leon is even more tempted to abandon Ashley and go with her) That is called manipulation, She does it throughout the entire game. Adas basically saying: (Leave Ashley for me so I can use you to obtain the amber). To which she does. She stalks him through the entire game because he will lead her straight to the amber. And he does. And then she takes it and runs off just like last game. And ONCE AGAIN, she instigates you leave Ashley to die on the island and come with her on the chopper. If you can't see that, you have no point in replying to this comment because you are clearly in fantasy land.
I really appreciate your video and i am so glad someone finally talks about the toxicity of their relationship. Leon is a very well written, interesting character. He´s not some cold agent who blindly follows everything his boss says, but a man with strong morals and he is indeed pretty sensitive. He cares about others, so much so that he´s willing to give his LIFE in order to protect civilians from a virus and he´s doing everything in his power to prevent any more danger from happening - yet when it comes to Ada he becomes the opposite which just doesn´t make sense to me??? He´s an almost 50 year old man and throws all of his morals out of the window once she shows up. Therefore his behaviour just seemed so forced to me, like capcom takes away his ability to think logically in order to uphold the tension between Ada and him. I´m really content with the Leon of the re4 Remake, he seems a lot more human than he did in the og (og 4 Leon is still an absolute badass don´t get me wrong) and i´m looking forward to see where capcom is going with their characters.
Our boy deserves better…….you know….someone like remake Ashley
I like the relationship change as well. In the original Capcom was trying to do a ‘Batman & Catwoman’ dynamic. Now it is a lot more realistic. He isn’t trusting of her and knows she is only helping to use him to do her dirty work. Then he rejects her MULTIPLE times because he cannot believe that Ada thinks she can get away with what she did last time 6 YEARS later. He knows what she is about and is more intelligent and calculating then in the originals. I would love to see Leon with someone, but I think it should not be a RE main cast member, but someone totally outside of it all. Someone that allows him to heal and cope with his traumas. This would be more realistic to take place after Vendetta or right before RE6
example Ashley
I mean in the original as in the remake she actually DIDN'T want to use him, and always told him to go away but he kept following her xd I even would dare to say that in the original she never manipulates him BUT in the remake they change that and now she literally has to hurt herself to finally accept his help, but if wasnt for that she would have looked for a way to do it herself
She only used him once actually
@@gabrielacanette5485True. True.
i like how leon was beginning to trust her again at the end of the fight with saddler, only for her to disappoint him again with the amber lol
Here before the inevitable blow up of this video and your Chanel. Great vid man
I’m definitely not onboard with this ship, like Leon is a guy who has morals whereas Ada has none because she’s a mix character with grey characteristics.
He’s a love struck person, who KNOWS in his mind that she can’t be trusted and that she is contributing to acts of terror. In RE6 Chris questioned him about Ada, Leon made it very clear that he will protect her regardless of her actions against humanity. In RE4 Remake he says no more he’s not going to keep doing this back and forth crap with her.
Spoilers for the Separate ways DLC on this comment.
So I appreciate the change in this relationship since the original RE timeline was based heavily on Hollywood cliches and racial stereotypes such as Ada being the Dragon Lady. Leon is an idealistic rookie cop with principles and that was given to him in his backstory in the novels and other obsecure RE lore material.
Ada for all the backstabbing and selling deadly viruses in the original RE timeline deserve to be either shot or imprisoned. That toxic relationship was really stupid that Simmon in RE6 was basically "Powerful white man got yellow fever and decided to give everybody Covid since his Karen couldn't be Wong so this is wrong."
The fans who simped over the original relationship have me questioning if we played the same 1998 and 2019 RE2 Remake since she wasn't the hypersexualized Asian stereotype that was in the original RE4, damnation, and RE6. Even in the RE2 remake she kissed Leon as a slight manipulation tactic after being extremely cold to him should be subtle hints of being a sociopathic spy.
The RE4 remake have Leon sticking to his principles and trying to overcome his trauma by saving Ashley. Ada was impacted by Leon's genuine idealism in RE2 that despite being a cold hearted bitch in the red dress to most people, tried to help Leon out of both self interest and feelings of affection. In the remake of Separate ways Ada's moral compass is not only influenced by Leon, but also Luis. Luis being an ex-umbrella researcher has done terrible things, but persistently tried to make things right by saving Leon, Ashley, and even Ada from the infection of the parasite that it even cost him his life.
Leon prove to Ada there are genuinely good people who don't stray and Luis prove people can change for the better. If anything out of the RE remake universe, the relationship is not romantic, but more humanizing for Ada instead. Leon is basically Jiminy Cricket on Ada's shoulder and in Separate ways Ada reveal subtle hints of her past that implied a kill or be killed traumatic upbringing that made her who she is until her encounter with Leon. Ada in the remake betray Wesker in helping Leon's chances of survival and denied him the sample.
I have a question, what about the relationship between Leon and Ada old classic copies? How is their relationship
@@iikliii_66 If we talking about OG 1998 RE2, the relationship felt mixed depending on whether you play sceneario A or B.
Scenario A have Leon trying to be the police authority figure to help Ada since she was disguised as a regular civilian looking for her researcher boyfriend named John. Leon saves her 2 times and the 3rd attempt is when she got wounded badly. She confessed how cold hearted she been with others and cared about Leon as he takes her to the security room to let her rest. Leon is left speechless by Ada's confession. When Leon went to the lab to retrieve the G virus sample after confronting Annette, he is confronted by Ada at gun point at the main reactor room. Ada hesitated and got shot off the rail by a dying Annette. Leon in a fit of anger threw away the G virus sample. You can also examined Ada's gun on the floor to reveal it wasn't loaded.
Scenario B is basically the same except for a few differences. Ada encountered Sherry and got her pendent which contain a G virus sample. As they enter the underground lab, Leon and Ada got separated. Leon is confronted by Mr.X and Ada comes in to save him. Mr.X fell off the rail into the furnace of the reactor room, but Ada was smacked head first against the control panel that the facility was about to self destruct. A dying Ada in Leon's arm gave him a kiss before passing out. Later it is revealed that she survived due to Wesker and toss Leon the Rocket Launcher against the mutated Mr.X.
Leon and Ada's relationship got really toxic and stereotypical around OG RE4. In the Resident evil movie damanation and RE 6 game is when it becomes stupidly Batman chasing Catwoman, except this Catwoman put her job of selling deadly viruses to the highest bidder first over her love of Leon.
A question I did not understand their relationship, why did you help Leon and the second thing? Their relationship is love or close friendship or what exactly because all say they love each other
I know she helps him for sample term like between two classic and Remake versions
What is Leon's love affair? About virus samples? And I understood Ada’s character. What are Ada’s intentions regarding Leon? I don't hate Ada, on the contrary, she is my favorite character, but I want to understand Ada's character
Ada Wong as a character feels different in each game she’s in. I think she’s more of an idea or a character type than an actual character. She’s just the spy woman in red outfits that has some type of undefined thing with Leon. So it was cool that in the RE2 and RE4 remakes that they went in a slightly different direction with it. Even though the Ada in RE2 and RE4 still felt like different characters.
great video, you explained it pretty well. i agree with you, i feel the same about them and i love how the devs are changing their approach and making it more realistic, to make more sense. will you be doing a part 2 to include details from separate ways?
I say....Leon & Jill! Two badasses. One a little silly, one a little serious. Leon is cool, Jill can be a hot head. Both are skilled and capable, smart. That ONE SCENE in Death Island Sold me. WE ALL SAW THAT "MOMENT" THEY HAD
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….I’ll let you cook, gomna check for sauce later
I'd argue there actually isn't much of a change and the claims of Leon being an "Ada simp" are greatly exaggerated or just outright untrue.
In the original RE4, Leon is not exactly happy to see Ada again and seems very indifferent or outright annoyed by her presence. The same thing applies when they meet again in RE: Damnation. In RE6, yes, he is protective of Ada but this feels more like an overreaction on his part because of all the people he has failed to save and is understandable given Ada isn't responsible for what is happening in that game anyway.
Leon being an Ada simp is far more of a meme than actual truth in these games. The remake didn't change their relationship much if at all and if anything, Leon is more emotionally open with her than he was before based on the conversation in the boat.
The argument of changes in character dynamics throughout narratives lacks a contextual basis and proper framing because, in concrete, the remake did not emerge as a successor that molds from the continuity of events of RE4, which works around the actual story of RE2, but rather a sequel to the RE2 remake, storywise. This diverges with the character dynamics from the original since the backstory for the RE2 remake differs, which contextualizes why the remake orchestrated corrections to adjust Leon as a character based on what he had done during the RE2 Remake, Unlike the OG RE4, which properly worked to illustrate the effects on Leon as a character after OG RE2. It is relevant to know or acknowledge this. After all, the points you have made to criticize the dynamics of OG RE4 characters are based on poor recollections and misinterpretations, loosely centered around the RE2 remake rather than on the OG, about Leon's relationship with Ada within the OG games. Respectively, to prove my point, I will describe The backstory for the RE2 scenario Claire A - Leon B, which is accurate and consistent within cannon, while mentioning actions from Leon and Ada in those instances because it will for sure clarify the motivations and interactions for the games to follow and what is a proper interpretation and recollection.
First, OG Ada Wong did not use Leon in pursuit of her goals through deception; nor did she plan to take the G-virus from Leon by force; what she did do was keep Leon out of the loop and pledge for him to ignore her while she secretly was looking for the G-Virus. However, because of her cover as a defenseless civilian looking for her boyfriend, Leon, a man on public duty, decided she needed help and that, in the worst case, she should evacuate with him. So, from here on, Ada indirectly forces Leon to follow her; as a result, he saves her (gets shot in the act) and heals her when she is (later on) badly injured. Henceforth, Ada reflects on the harm her selfish acts do, develops affection, and looks up to Leon, a man who helps without hesitation an antagonistic and cold stranger. These are the main reasons she sacrifices for Leon (she almost dies) and confesses her feelings, and why the last game section has her, instead of fleeing with the G-Virus, patching herself up and abandoning Leon, throwing him a rocket launcher while injured, so he could defeat the final boss. Second, OG Leon K. Kennedy discovers little to nothing of Umbrella or The G-Virus until the very last moment. He is focused on evacuating while aiding Ada, the uncooperative stranger, and Claire, a friendly civilian looking for options to flee Raccoon City. He is, in truth, very unaware and only perceives Ada's actions as mysterious and finally selfless because she saved him against difficult odds.
Now, in retrospect, OG RE 4 is considerate about this regarding both characters. Hence, In the game, Leon isn't harboring hard feelings for Ada (as mentioned, she hadn't intentionally endangered and manipulated him to accomplish her goals) but still is cautious of her after doing his proper research (Evidence: he questions her and tries to talk to her); he is also focused on his mission (Evidence: he didn't assist or gives priority to Ada, in moments when he could have, as his priority was saving Ashley); and ultimately, he keeps a sweet memory of what he may from Ada (Evidence: "She is like a part of me I can't let go" (Leon)).
On the other hand, Ada is in what not many would even recollect properly, risking her mission and life to aid Leon when it's none of her business, which is noticeable in separate ways and the main game because we have evidence. After all, she looks reluctant to harm Leon and worried for him in general; she shoots the Big Cheese and saves him; she leaves notes throughout the game to aid Leon; she ignores Wesker's orders to eliminate Leon; she takes him to the island so he can save Ashley; she shoots Krauser to help Leon; she ignores Wesker orders to eliminate Leon again; she shoots Osmund Saddler to save Leon, which puts her in severe danger; she gives Leon a rocket launcher (history repeats) to kill Osmund Saddler; she spares him instead of shooting him; and she gives him the keys for her Jet ski for him to make his way out with Ashley. All in consideration, it's very consistent and logical that she developed a sweet spot for Leon and takes care of him.
As for the storyline plotting, it was not his role to stop her, nor was he in a position to do so, as Ada had the upper hand. Moreover, Leon wasn't precisely aware of her goal until the end (Extremely familiar), and he had to get Ashely to safety.
In conclusion, even when stripped to its bare bone, the storyline makes it noticeable Leon has changed and isn't simping. On the contrary, it shows Ada is the closest thing to a simp, not that she really fits the category, which, once again, is the actual dynamic after RE2.
Unreasonably, Leon gets a lot of bad reputation later on for his soft behavior toward Ada in RE6 despite the reason he defended Ada was not only affection and pure naiveness but that she was indeed innocent and a key witness. I agree it is an idea to get used to that was acceptably executed but not well explored. However, I am not the one to praise or defend the convoluted plot of RE6.
It's worth noting that Leon only makes one naive judgment about Ada in OG RE2, and there's only one instance in RE6 where Ada indirectly poses a threat to him.
Regardless, I am sure the vast majority have seen how the remakes have continued this poor storytelling, with a degree of consistency to its inconsistencies, and failed to recognize it as such and instead praised it right and left. Others may have noticed and ignored it, arguing the new games have envisioned and cared only for better gameplay aspects in their games nowadays, but that doesn't justify much because even in that I think they are incorrect.
Great comment detailing the relationship. I can tell many of these people never played the originals and never paid attention to the story. Many of these new "fans" only started playing the games after re7
@@Chaso-1124 I mean, I am not particularly an expert, nor do I have fully experienced the classics. But I like to search, and know what I am talking about... it also helps I played the OG RE4 recently.
It's sad everybody forgets the originals nowadays. And what makes it even worse is that in the west the remakes don't even have remake in the title, completely erasing the original games unless you say original or specific year the game came out. RE 1 Remake was peak, and wish 2 and 3 got that treatment of keeping all the locations, enemies, weapons, soundtrack, story, and character personalities, while adding or expanding on new locations or enemies
Thankyou! I always laugh at the meme "leon is ada's simp" when since RE OG it is always the other way around. Ada was and still is Leon's "knight in shining armour"😂 altough she is a black knight.
The remakes have transformed RE from something I wanted to like and play but never quite did into something I really like a lot and have played many times. Everything about the new Ada and Leon is central to and a great example of that.
I really like the way their relationship goes in RE4 remake. Let's not forget they both have blood on their hands, are trained in the art of war and so on. They are on different sides but Ada is changing. I see a future for them together, a crazy, and maybe little bit toxic, but hey, they cannot have around normal people to share their real life with. There is this crazy attraction between them and they both know cannot end up good, but still cannot fight against it. Fatal attraction...We need a new game (not a remake) with Leon and Ada, where they try to have normal relationship with normal partners only to understand that they are inescapably bound to eachother.
This! I try to explains to all the fans that kept calling their relationship as toxic, that what can you expect for former childsoldier like Ada and traumatized cop turned spec-op soldier like leon to have normal relationship? People sometimes seeing life as black or white huh? And what's "normal" anyway? In my 20+ years in law profession, even the jones nextdoor have their own ways of wackyness...
One thing that I can never understand is how casual they both behave when meeting in OG and Remake. Like, they have a hell of goodbye in the end of RE2, and then they met at the most unespected place in both RE4 and they are just like "Sup dog?" "Sup sis?". What the heck >=[.
Ok it seems like everyone is demonizing Ada but it's kinda similar to Batman and Catwoman. Yes she's self serving and her morality is questionable but she's not irredeemable. The ending of 4 remake has proven that when she turned on Wesker. I feel given the proper motivation, Ada could be an amazing anti-hero also personally as an Ada Wong fan, I would really love to see Leonand Ada's relationship improve. Which is why I can't wait for them to remake 6.
i cant stand when "re" fans demonize ada
The difference is that at worst Catwoman is a thief, while Ada at worst has contributed to terrorism and thousands of deaths
I like their relationship dynamic in the OG resident evil 4 and 6. They balanced each other out well without rocking the boat of conflict. And about the story of re6 it makes sense for ada not to care about proving her innocence to anyone because it’s not in her character to try to win anyone over barely leon by exception
But she is a anti-hero. She never gave the amber or the virus to wesker or simmons. She is a super spy
Catwoman is boring too, like seriously she should pick a side already
so... have you gotten all the emblams for Leon and Ada's campaigns in resident evil 6? because they unlock some of the lore involved in Ada's relationship with Simmons. Ada was actually one of Simmons subordinates. After Racoon City she split with him because of the impact the city being blown up had on her. It didn't have the right impact. But it had an impact. Because she still continued her work as what I call a "Surveyor" a specialized Merc like Nicolai who's job is to assess and sample new bioweapons and showcase combatants that someone might want to hire to fight those bioweapons OR to turn into a BOW, since Nicolai demonstrates that there's a market in this universe for both. I have to stipulate that I'm going based on remake Nicolai because that's the version of the game I played. But I also tend to view the remakes as replacing the canon of the game they're of. So when original and remake lore contradict each other, I replace the OG lore with the Remake Lore and then check to make sure that doesn't have possible implications down the ilne.
I think the reason why Ada destroyed all that evidence tbh is because she snapped. Ada is a very calculated character, but what we see come Resident Evil 6 is a woman who, when she's put in the position of being a victim of biowarfare slowly starts to have her mask crack. She starts to empathize with Carla a little more than she probably should. Kinda hard not to once she learns what this woman has gone through. And so when she sees that Carla had continued the cycle of making doppelgangers she snaps, destroys the doppelganger before it can hatch (and I really want to know if that doppelganger was Leon or Simmons btw) and destroys everything in her path. What's going to be interesting is what that scene means for Ada's future. Will she make the right decision, do business as usual, or make the wrong decision? This isn't even about Aeon as a ship at this point. This is about Ada losing it on camera for the first time in the franchise and then, like Leon, trying to bury her feelings.
Though I also see Carla being made into Ada's doppelganger as a stand in for domestic and sexual abuse, not just a sign of things to do with biowarfare never really changing other than an increase in the danger level of pathogens. And when she sees Carla has tried to continue both cycles, the micro cycle of sexual abuse and the macro one of bioterrorism, Ada just straight up loses it. I would not be surprised if she goes from Surveyor to Sabateur in the next game she appears in.
I know this video was made before Seperate Ways, but you need to make a counterpart video for this because the devs attempt to add far more depth to Ada than RE6 did. And it confirms my theory that Ada has it in her to become a sabateur and turn on her employers in future games. Remember, Ada is not law enforcement. She is a mercenary. She is committed to living and dying by the gun in pursuit of the almighty Dollar. After playing RE6 and watching Seperate Ways remake I suspect that the next game she shows up in, capcom is going to have a VERY different Ada Wong. When RE6 gets a remake, I strongly suspect we're going to see more themes of abuse, both perpetrator and victim, and more themes of a cycle of violence being perpetuated on a micro and macro scale. Hell, we see this wherever the plaga seems to go, in 4 remake and in 5, a running theme with the plaga is abuse of power.
I love Ada's campaign in RE6. It did quite a fair bit to flesh her out more. Seeing our calm, cool, and collected professional spy lose it in a blaze of glory AFTER sympathizing with the woman who stole her identity and tried to frame her for bioterrorism was such a great character moment for her. Shows that there are lines even she won't cross.
@@Takejiro24 you should see some of the political commentary in the bossfight with Simmons and Leon on the train. That showdown is basically a dialog on American Exceptionalism. This idea that America is divinely or innately superior in some way and thus can do no wrong. Its the political philosophy that basically lead us to MAGA. So I love when a game comments on it. Especially a game that isn't American because it gives us a view as to how the rest of the world views our country.
Of course, when it comes down to it, Simmons was really just covering his ass. He was just covering it up with posturing.
Always felt like Re 5 should’ve been Chris & Claire trying to find Jill & stop Wesker
at that time i think the OG was fine albeit kinda doesn’t make sense. but after the remake came out, this one seems realistic and better for both of them. regardless, i hope they still got a chance to build their chemistry and relationship if re6 remake ever came out.
"I'm taking you in!" Oh Leon, where are you taking the her in? Infested RPD?
I suppose I was one of those few who liked Leon simping for Ada
No wonder why Chris hates Ada so much hehehe.
For all his growth though, he still lets her take off w/ the sample at the end. He could have stopped her and didn't, and had she not turned back at the last moment, this would have been catastrophic. One could argue he believed she would do the right thing in the end, but that would have been a really stupid gamble to take.
I mean in re4 og leon knows since their first encounter that she works with wesker (He doesn't know and she refuse to tell him) in re4 og he know that the sample can do million of casuality. He could easily shooting her for this whole reason alone.
People who says that Ada just uses and doesn’t care about Leon is heavily mischaracterizing Ada is very clear in the original they were deeply in love and cared for eachother yes. But what about the remakes After seperate ways I think Capcom will develop them in re6 remake compared to the original the remake ada seems to have been mostly using Leon to her own benefits and for the amber but at the same time to aid him aswell afterall I doubt their relationship will just be completely ruined in the remakes since theres a Capcom interview after re2 remake they said in that interview that if they make Leon have no feelings or be weak for Ada the entire story will change and we would expect this and that Leon will always be weak and have feelings for her wether re2 re4 re6 is also stated by Capcom that they wanted them and the remakes to be more realistic Leon and Ada is always resident evil and Capcom creation they are not gonna throw or destroy their relationship like a waste in the remakes so maybe we get to see more interactions in re6 remake
I never liked the Leon Ada ship, she's been using him since day 1 and I personally believe that her caring for him is a little forced. The remake makes it feel like Leon no longer has any interest in Ada and I like that
Will they get married in any re game Leon and ada
@nextgamingseries9450 I doubt it. Would be a ridicoulus way to end their relationship, I'd expect one of them dying killed by the other considering the way Ada acted in RE4 remake, also considering how much of a bitch she was in RE6. I genuinely think 99% of people ship them because Ada is hot
@@nextgamingseries9450 nunca.
I slightly disagree because in the original. What I got from it was a low detailed romance between the 2. The remake just put more details into it.
I like their relationship dynamic in the OG resident evil 4 and 6. They balanced each other out well without rocking the boat of conflict. And about the story of re6 it makes sense for ada not to care about proving her innocence to anyone because it’s not in her character to try to win anyone over barely leon by exception
I would've laughed if Ada hits a metal platform, as she falls into the nest. xD
It make senses he can’t be chasing shadow all the time. Ada need to
Give up that pum pum period
5:06 I like how innocent Leon acts, like “mum said you did something bad”. Also, is he seriously wanting to take Ada in at that moment at 5:43? 😂
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If you think this romance isnt going to continue in future remakes, you got another thing coming lol. But I agree, the remakes handle it much better than the OGs so far.
nice
Yeah, it's definitely a complicated relationship.
RE 2 Remake Ada is beautiful.
RE4 remake too, same face model😍
@@evan9811 is it really the same face model???
@@carlosavila_zb5768 Yeah
The remake will be living till the next 25 years
Hope for RE6 Remake and see Leon more mature and Ada actually working hard and winning some trust on Leon, but I dont want Leon to be Ada's little puppie.
Can you explain Leon and Ada relationship to me?
@@iikliii_66 o relacionamento deles é uma merda, simples assim. É uma das piores coisas que a capcom já fez.
@@carloseduardo5138Can you understand me their relationship specifically?
@@iikliii_66 é uma porcaria, porque a capcom não sabe desenvolver personagens. Tudo em RE é supercial, raso e clichê. E o relacionamento de leon e ada não é diferente. A dinâmica deles é tóxica e doentia, para ada o Leon e só um cachorro, só algo a ser utilizado pra benéficos próprios.
Em quase 30 anos de franquia a ada nunca disse nada pata o Leon sobre ela ou seus sentimentos, a ada usa e abusa do leon, faz ele ir contra o seu trabalho e moral, e a ada nunca nem pediu desculpas por isso. Ela nunca respondeu uma única pergunta dele. Todas as interações dele são sempre o Leon perguntando algo, a ada se esquivando e fugindo sem falar nada, deixando assim a relação dela estagnada a 30 anos.
I mean yeah, the remake takes a more realistic approach with Leon's and Ada's relationship. But the reason why I love the OG more in terms of anything, really, is because its purposefully being being cheesy and corny. 2005 Leon was designed to be a stereotypical badass with a flirtation side! The OG Resident Evil 4 took entertainment first into consideration before anything else, that can be proven by its cinematography and quick time events as it guaranteed an engaged audience. For a early 2000s game, the OG reflected the time period and the 'cool' romance between Leon and Ada where escapism rather than 'realism' mattered more.
That said, I think its unfair to call 2005 Leon a 'simp' because that's not who he is! He's our stereotypical badass designed to flirt and deflect Ada's advances. An example of that is their first encounter at the castle. Leon disarms Ada from her firearm and removes the magazine and bullet before questioning her authority and/or connections with Wesker. That's not simping, that's being suspicious while embodying the early 2000s badass role which reflected the time period perfectly.
I'd also like to take this oppertunity to mention that both Resident Evil 4 and 6 have different directors and producers, meaning that the story was bound to catch some inconsistencies. Meaning that in truth, Resident Evil 4 was its own little thing and there were no plans to include Resident Evil 6 into the mix. I mention this because RE4 Leon doesn't trust Ada, he just understands her femme fatal character but remains cool and composed which makes me believe that if Shinji Mikami directed Resident Evil 6, the story which was last left off from between Leon and Ada would be more consistent rather than the cat n' mouse game that continued in RE6.
Despite RE4R being more realistic, it in exchange gave up a source of entertainment. Before anyone starts going ape shit, what I mean is that in the original, Leon's and Ada's encounters had more chemistry unlike the remake where in company of the dark colours, the entire atmosphere felt bland and so did their chemistry. This of course doesn't mean that its not realistic, but definitely not half as entertaining as the engaging scenes in the original where in company of great cinematography, slow-mo, and 2000s music, Leon was able to utilise a great aura of awesomeness. It's something that honestly disappoints me because the remake cut some great scenes and completely disregarded what made the original so classy. This flaw is however overshadowed by the remakes great gameplay and other elements.
Bingo!!
I like their relationship dynamic in the OG resident evil 4 and 6. They balanced each other out well and I agree about their chemistry . about the story of re6 it makes sense for ada not to care about proving her innocence to anyone because it’s not in her character to try to win anyone over barely leon by exception
I'm one minute into this video and don't think I can finish it. Any resident evil "fan" who boils down Ada's character and actions are purely "manipulative" when it comes to Leon has zero fictional literacy in relation to this franchise.
Arguably, the only time in which Ada outright manipulated Leon, in both the remakes and the originals, was in the RE2 when she claimed to be something she was not (ONLY AFTER he refused to leave her alone and ONLY AFTER she attempted to get Leon to leave raccoon city and into safety).
At every other point in the series, Ada is fighting tooth and nail to save Leon's dumbass self. Who saves Leon from Krauser? Ada. Who spares Leon from Wesker's direct orders of assassination? Ada. Who saves Leon from imminent death in Eastern Europe? Ada. Who saves Leon REPEATEDLY from Simmons, along with other mini bosses throughout re6? ADA! And does she get anything out of doing this??? Absolutely not. And this isn't even mentioning the fact that she went out of her way to save the people close to Leon as well, such as Claire in the original re2 as well as Sherry and Helena in re6.
And to top it all off, you have canonical confirmation that Ada does, in fact, feel genuine about Leon. Darkside Chronicles, collectible books, and even the canon in-game files you earn in re6 all confirm this about Ada and Leon's relationship.
Again, anyone who chooses to misinterpret Ada's character to the point of a complete bastardization seriously needs to reconsider calling themselves a "fan". Its just painful atp.
Thank you! Finally someone said it! The Remake drug has totally infected the minds of those who claim they love the Originals and have lost their touch. This is a work of fiction, the tone of this game was Action B Movie camp and cheese and the game itself was never meant to be taken seriously that's why we got the Action Movie Star One Liners Leon and the Catwoman-esque personality of Ada thus their dynamic.
I don't understand why it's easy for people today to call even a fictional character Manipulative and Toxic without even getting the context of how the original games were made.
The misogyny and hate of this generation is too real it bleeds out even in video games.
I'm sorry that was me in Leon shoes I wouldn't take any crap from ada wong
And here i was blindingly shipping them😂 maybe it's because of the way the developers do this cat and mouse type shit
Claire and Leon was a good match.
Praying to God that Leon ends up with Ashley just so Aeon fans can stop hyping up this manipulative ship
Ashley is like 6 years younger than him tho isn’t she? I think the best ship with Leon is with Claire (opinion)
@@snacks4nellie Ashley and Leon are both adults nothing wrong with that plus I love Cleon, hell imo anyone works with Leon except for Ada
NO leon see her as a child aeon would be endgame
@@acjnse8258 anyway aeon canon
@@wichextr.5661 looooool Leon is done with her
While I understand the changes they made with Leon and Ada's interactions I don't agree with them.
In the remake Leon seems at times like he is just a step or two away from killing Ada like any other Los Illumanitos and gives her no reason to have any tender feelings towards him. While especially in the new Separate ways DLC we do see that Ada cares about him, Leon's contempt makes her feelings seem harder to digest.
In the original it is also stated that Leon not only knew Ada was alive and working for Wesker. Showing that the USA at least if not Leon in particular is fully aware of what Ada is up. That he trusts her to be predictable in her inevitable betray but that he doesn't believe she will harm him and as such they can work together until their interests divide.
The remake doesn't show that mutual understanding and just has the antagonism making me wonder why Ada doesn't just ignore him
You wronggg
I see this going to wear the other flush out the relationship with Ada and Leon or since it was hinted at in the game they pursue the relationship with Leon and Ashley
Because the story is written by a smp ck. Also, still can't get over that cringe fest of a new voice actress for Ada
Leon just pretending he not taking anymore shit , the man still simping hard he acts like he not gona take it anymore yet still takes it and ada is big time into him , they have this romance where they are supposed to be morally on opposite sides but they both like blurring the line for eachother
Ah dude they developed a bond that military and law enforcement get when they’ve seen and been through some shit together.
I’ve experienced this personally.
I don’t get people all of you were complaining whining crying n bitchin about how bad RE6 was cuz I see the same graphics on RE4 remake you didn’t like how the boxes were broken with a kick n you guys in the 4 remake you loved it on the 4 remake Leon runs same as the RE6
To tell the truth is RE4 remake. I caught the fact or felt anyway that Louis and Ada had close history. The flirting and all. Ada sorta treated Leon like a Jr. Someone she could flash a badge to and say she's CIA and use. Which is the name of the game. But she also kept and eye on him look out for him. And flirt to get what she wanted. I always felt that him and Claire was the obvious choice. But maybe it would be better for him character wise to begin to get with others with the potential of closer relationship hook up later.
Nah, Ada likes Leon, not Luis
Ada is clearly uncomfortable by Luis holding her in the beginning of Separate Ways.
@@coolmuzt Lol right, why does this guy think Ada likes Luis over Leon, it’s already confirmed that she loves Leon
Capcom just fixed it to make it more healthy, I like how Ada know Leon still love her but just tried to act cold.
That's way she said Leon hasn't changed
Why couldn't she just leave this poor baby's heart alooooone?
Honestly Leon has no chemistry with this woman she just uses him repeatedly and he chases her like a school kid 😒
And Ada saves him repeatedly too
@@nurlindafsihotang49you can literally replace Ada with anyone else and they would also help Leon 100%, that is credits to Leon for being extremely helpful and considering towards others and so obviously people are willing to go that far for him as well.
Okay, now I want to play the remake. I’ve disliked Leon as a character _specifically_ because of his relationship with Ada, and I _loathe_ their “relationship”. Who knows, if Capcom keeps on this path I might actually grow to like Leon.
Well I really like the remakes but somehow I can't deny the truth that Leon and Ada relationship is totally ruined in the remake, they became totally cold towards each other. In the og irrespective of their job needs, deep down they still care for each other. Leon loves Ada and became simp for her .. There is nothing wrong in this . In the og as well he never completely trusted her that's why he tried to stop her when she was getting away with the sample in the end. But I was shocked to see in the remake Leon didn't try to stop her. also in the remake they completely changed Ada's personality. I don't like her voice. In re 6 also we can see how much both cares for each other. It's ok if capcom wants to separate them but I would always love the chemistry between og Leon and ada ❤️
well leon and ada are somthing that ordinary(nowadays so called ordinary) people and those who don't really dwell on the story won't understand.
they had a special kind of bond that developed over the years in the games and CGI.
it is obvious the new personality of the characters is under the influence of WOKE
I am a newbie at this franchise, and I really love their relationship, the only special love story one i've ever experienced. They belong together, I hope finally they will have a good ending notwithstanding they are 50 or 60
They not
I'm a new fan of the RE franchise, and after learning a lot about Leon and Ada's relationship throughout past games, now I understand why their relationship is as toxic as Umbrella.
Bought the new RE 4 remake, and I strongly agree with the changes regarding their relationship. It felt really realistic, and I'm glad Leon is seeing it the chad way. If anything, I think Leon is better off with Claire. Their chemistry in RE 2 remake was definitely more heartfelt even though their time together was short.
P. S. And no, I am not getting paid by Chris to make this comment lol
I'm not going to lie I think this is a great video because in my honest opinion I always hated this weird love dynamic will-they-won't-they get together with Leon and Ada because I feel like it's one of the more toxic ideas of like you got to chase somebody all your life to feel that that's the only person you're ever going to find love with which is clearly how the relationship is the trade between the original version of Leon and Ada while on the other hand the remake version of Leon isn't somebody trying to be a total SIM for a woman who's never going to be giving him the time of day whatsoever because I know this is a weird comparison but I felt like the original version was similar to the relationship dynamic between Will Smith and his wife and I know that sounds like such a reach to make because I get it you don't get to see Leon going around slapping people for no apparent reason that speak either his name but it may as well be that way because of how much he's just constantly chasing her is somebody he wants to be with versus anybody else that has the potential to be in a relationship with him like clear or any other female that Leon is had genuine connections with an actual chemistry maybe that's just me but that's how I've always felt about their weird relationship dynamic and it kind of made Leon look like a complete pussy where he could have stopped pita from getting ahold of a lot of different viruses that literally got onto the black market
the devs are not changing their relationship, they are just improving them, ada and leon have met constantly after re4, not just every few years, and they are making it realistic like anpo said they just didn't fall in love overnight, they need to have a build up, meaning they are still pairing them. Also on the RE twitter, promoting their merch, the caption literally said, leon and ada are alwasy DESTINED to meet (weather on a zombie apocalypse or on t-shirts ) so, claire and ashley fans who want them for leon continue crying, also ada is more popular than claire and ashley only appears once, cry 😝😁
É claro que os produtores estão mudando o relacionamento deles, isso é óbvio.
E não, leon e ada não se encontraram constantemente depois do 4. Na linha cronológica original eles depois do 4(2004) eles só se encontraram no 6(2012), no Condenação(2011) e em um encontro misterioso(2009).
E no final da campanha do leon no 4 remake, ele literalmente rejeita a ada e disse que agirá eles seguirão caminhos separados.
Ada is popular because she's a sex object, and for literally no other reason dude. Also you must not be an original fan because for the longest time the two most popular girls in resident evil were Jill and Claire
@@bmxdoe Jill e Claire ainda são mais populares que a Ada.
what a click bait :v
Leon Ada shippers in shambles 😔
You know what would have been great if there was like a Claire A/B and Leon A/B alternative where Annette injected the g sample into her self for Leon’s alternative and for Claire you don’t save sherry and she turns into a ghuman
Nah the tension between them is unreal please let the fall in love lmaoo idc what anyone else thinks
People forget that in the og, Ada still cared about her morality and Leon. She literally defied Wesker's orders and lied to him to keep Leon safe in separate ways the original and wasn't as manipulative as the remakes. The remakes especially Re4 remake made Ada a lot more manipulative and cold. Old Ada still tried to keep Leon safe and went out of her way to help Leon in every way possible while still doing her mission. Remake Ada did not care about Leon as much as the og. She felt bothered that she needed to help Leon. Ringing the church bell was not in her agenda. So I disagree that the remake made Ada's character better
You wronggg
What's wrong with Simp Leon he was cute XD
And Ada is SO cool his obsession over her was kinda justified
Mate, just counts have many time Ada saves and helps Leon when it jeopardized herself and her mission. She is THE SIMP not leon. And she will always be Leon's knight in shining armour.😂
@@nurlindafsihotang49 yeah that's in the remake they flipped the table, in the original he knew she was evil and still followed her
resident evil 4 remake I don't like ada's voice I like the first one better and I don't like Leon's voice either I prefer the first one to
Nah ada is the real hero she acts like she were on bad guys side just to leave them empty handed not able to have what they need for their evil plans cause ada toke it away and also she always rescue more people than other main protagonist beside many main protagonist own her their life many times
100%
We should collab, I own a podcast with 630 subs
Ada is Leon’s Catwoman, is why he’s soft on her.
I don't feel bad for them one bit!! They are two consenting adults who are responsible for their own decisions and them choosing not to be together as a couple is on them and no one shouldn't feel bad about it!
i see why Leon is chasing Ada❤😏i would chase her too
This is not Leon Kennedy that we should have gotten in the remake. A cheap copy in my opinion
Thank you
You didn’t pay much attention to Ada’s campaign in the 6 game because her whole mission was to clear her name and prevent any bad things from happening, which she failed at but still but she did get evidence to clear her name!
Leon el simp