FX9! In general I want to switch to Sony as Canon are just too slow with upgrades and updates. Thank you for all the value and for the shout out on your LIVE to my country, South Africa. I appreciate you big time :)
Really thorough video Mark! I would say it really matches your style of final image after coloring a bit more (moodier, darker, etc) But, I think the canon is still the better choice in image quality. Also, I know the ergonomics work better for someone who doesn't primarily do handheld/shoulderstyle shooting primarily. Finally yes, canon sucks at slowmo, but I'm a big believer that 60p and above is waaaayyyy overdone now so overcrank for me is not a big deal.
Mark's decision makes sense based upon his situation. It's the same for all of us. If you have clients who like and request Sony and don't ever care about shooting RAW, buy the FX-9. I had it for a month to write a review, shot three client projects on it, it's a great camera. If you have clients who are not really in the FS7 MKII/FX-9 demo and like the Canon look, buy the C500 MKII, it's an amazing camera as well. You could easily shoot any kind of programming on either of these incredible machines. The main differentiators for me would be glass owned (I own a dozen Canon EF mount lenses), whether or not you want to shoot RAW or your clients do (we have several clients who we shoot a lot of green screen for, they LOVE RAW) and your budget. S-Cinetone brings actual usable colors to the FX-9 straight out of camera and it's a lot cheaper than the C500 MKII. Just remember too, if RAW is a big factor for you and your work, the C200 has dropped to $6,500.00 and it is still 90% as capable as either of these cameras. Also, just an observation, FF is ok but nothing to make a buying decision off of. S35 is still 99% as effective for most types of filmmaking, I ran the FX-9 FF and S35 mode on my shoots and either worked really well. No reason to bad mouth anyone who buys either of these cameras or play brand fanboy, either of them are better than anything on the market under $16k.
Why don’t many of the more popular TH-cam camera reviewers talk about the Ursa Pro G2 4.6k? Seems like it has a lot of the same features and a great price
Absolutely. I'm getting the BMPCC4K next, not because of the camera, but because I have a bunch of M43rds cine primes. The lenses all together cost much more than the body does.
@@BeaPhotographerlessons No I have the original BMPCC from 2012. It's got a great look, but mine is getting beat up. The mini hdmi connection entirely snapped off the board so I don't have that anymore for my monitor. And there are a few dead pixels in the display screen. None show up in the image, but it's getting old now. I still love the look of the image so I'll use it on certain projects, but it's tough doing client work when the see a janky camera like that :)
The gyro stabilization is actually super powerful and one of the main reasons I'm considering the camera. If you check out some Catalyst test clips, you'll see that it's possible to replicate the look of gimbal or steadicam (if you use a fast shutter speed). I'd consider it a major win for short-form shooting like commercials. For long form, the additional render time is probably a deal breaker.
All I know is that it will only work with lenses that can supply metadata to the camera. So it won't work with vintage or manual lenses. But maybe off-brand modern lenses (Sigma, Tamron) will be ok. Catalyst applies lens distortion correction based on a unique profile for each lens, so it needs the lens to ID itself.
@@markbone its crazy how big it is! I didn't know how much bigger it was over the extension Unit on the FS7 until i got mine... I like a large camera but its defiantly makes it huge!
@@markbone Using the shape handle extension, same style one that I used on my FS7 for years, think thats a must have, external small HD 703 monitor, Wood Camera EFV holder/arm and looking at getting the Wooden Camera V-mount accessory. Looks really nice and compact and allows you to still be able to have a sony batter in the camera itself so you could hot swap Vmount while recording. I have a bunch of the sony batteries but finding the FX8 definitely draws quite a bit more power then the FS7 so needing to swap batteries more often then I would like too, so Vmount on the back will help with that.
Great video Mark...I’ve shot quite a bit on the c500 Mark ii and made a few videos about it. Thanks for the real world review of the fx9. Looks to be an interesting camera.
@@markbone lol I'm looking for a run and gun camera (currently on an a7iii and love the hybrid features of it), that I could take on tour with artists and document on the fly handheld. So a rig that is quick is important to me. For that what would you recommend, FS7 or FX9 or neither lol?
I really enjoy watching your vids... I am not a cinematographer by any mean or even close... but I enjoy all the info and insight you provide. It does help a lot. I actually laughed out loud with the school bus 30 ft and submarine 560 ft reference. Can't wait to see your next vid or be in the next live.
Just subbed bro...found you via Matti's channel and binge watched your vids. No disrespect to Matti, but you're my new fav filmmaker on TH-cam! 🙂 You're crazy talented but also down-to-earth and you keep it real, and as an aspiring filmmaker also out of the 6ix, I've experienced first hand much of the stuff you talk about, so I know you know your shit. Your work is straight 🔥and an inspiration, especially the way you utilize your dark and moody look...I love shooting that style myself! Keep doin what you do brother! Oh, and FX9 for exactly the same reasons you mentioned...again, those who know, know!
I love the image quality out of my Sony A7iii in 4K. When your settings are dialed in and focus is bang on the image looks so clear and cinematic. Nice video as always Mark ✌🏻
If by some chance you actually get to read my comment I’d like to ask a question please? I really don’t like the 120p on the Sony A7iii. I shoot with a Sony 16-35 f2.8 GM. If I were to shoot with a Sony Prime, do you think I’d see better results at 120p? Thanks mate.
One thing I’ve found with Sony 1080 is to shoot with a shallow depth of field. With the lower bitrate it will render better images if everything isn’t in focus. So a fast prime lens or shooting on the 35 end will render best results
The electronic variable ND on the Fx9 only goes up to 7 stops. If you want 10 stops, to shoot f/1.8 in broad day light etc, you’ll need to add additional ND.
I still want a C500 but this video is super informative and gives a good list of stuff to ask canon to implement.. I appreciate reviews with facts like this one
I was honestly blown away with how much better the FX9 is from the FS7. I had two FS7's and used them all the time for all kinds of productions (when cine level wasn't an option). I agree with you about the lack of varispeed in 6K FF, it's a bummer but I'm glad they at least acknowledged it and are releasing through firmware. I've heard they're also allowing up to 120fps in 4k ProRes RAW which is extremely exciting. I'm really hoping to upgrade our cameras to these FX9's, happy to hear from another commercial director how they fair on real world sets. Thanks again for the very well done review!
1991ClarkJames sometimes I do. Older lenses often have more interesting bokeh. Typically though if I’m gonna shoot a commercial I would try and rent something like the Canon K35
I’ve owned the C100 and C200 and never have I had an issue with the IRIS wheel on the front left and this is the first time I’ve heard someone complain about it. Now that the C300 mk iii has internal Raw, 4k 120fps with no crop, 2k 180fps and 422 standard, how would you compare them even tho you haven’t shot with it?
That autofocus sound is just the Sigma 18-35. They all have noisy autofocus and it is the ONLY flaw in that lens - other than that, one of the best pieces of glass you can put in your bag (unless you're a full frame shooter).
I have no business buying an FX9 (I'm a DIY youtube vlogger part time, my day job is something completely different) but I'm a junkie for incredible image quality. I'm mainly worried about size! Do you think it's possible to strip down the kit for portability?
Love to hear the different perspective of these cameras. They seem to compete but they still doesn't compete because they have their own focus on specs and handling the camera. I would choose Canon C500 because of the form factor and raw internal. Also because I like to manual focus with canon lenses 😅
I wish I had the sony FS7 I can't afford a camera like that I am working on a Project but I had to Barrow a camera for 2 days but it would be nice to own your own good video do you have any films on Netflix? If so what ones I would love to watch it
Sony can't add internal true RAW recording due to RED's RAW patent. That's why Blackmagic's RAW is called "BRAW" and Canon's "Cinema RAW Light" and as I understand it - these RAW codecs are slightly compressed?
I am an EPK DP in ICG669 amd we shoot on sony FS7 mostly and I have own a Sony A7Rii so all my glass is Sony/Zeiss collaboration of gmaster so I am hoping to get into an FX9 this year bit have been weary of the limitations I hear about.. thanks for the video..
What sigma lens is that? It looks like the 20mm art. I only ask because I’m wondering how to attached the polar pro matte box to the 20mm sigma art lens without going the rail support route since that lens doesn’t have filter threads haha
Have you ever tried a Blackmagic cinema camera? The Ursa Mini Pro G2 has crazy codecs, frame rates, and latitude. If you haven’t tried one I’d definitely recommend experimenting one for your next shoot or doing some test shots - the debate between Canon and Sony is old and a little restrictive. Pocket 4K is amazing as well
I've been doing some heavy research on the FX9 during all this lockdown and this is one of the best videos I've come across, real world use! - I think that lack of FF 4K currently is a bit of an issue, hopefully they don't take too long to get that update out.
i started on the f55 and even today having shot RED, Canon and Arri, i miss the f55 - it’s look, it’s simplicity. i got my hands on an Arri Alexa Studio - there’s a truck inside it i’m certain, but even at 2K it’s got a better picture than anything available. I also shoot with the Sony Z280 which has a lot of the features you love about the fx9- but obviously not full frame. the variable nd is insane - and putting it on auto leaving f1.9 is like being spoiled. great real world look - and great commercials. cheers
Thanks Mark, I liked this review, especially the double ISO - with clean 4000 iso signal and the no stepping ND, those are great useful features. Also the shots looked very nice and clean. I am doing some documentary work on a budget with my fuji XH1 but I enjoyed looking at the professional tools to learn what they have to offer over the standard mirrorless setups.
Hey Great video. Lots of insights from a realistic and personal point of view; Just my 2 cents concerning the "iris wheel" problem you have with the C500 MKII. It's simple as hell, this can be deactivated (or set to any parameter such as iso or WB) in the dedicated assign button menu. And to change the iris then on you can use the wheel on the grip...
I'm an Ursa Mini Pro fan here. Saw a lot of pros and cons, the variable ND is a huge unique factor! How would you say the FX9 compares to in image quality and in handling to the Ursa mini Pro 4.6k?
I noticed you had nd filters with a box attached to the front of the lens at the beginning. How do you use that in combination with the inbuilt ND filter
Mark Bone then wow that’s badass! I’m a Sony shooter, only on an a7iii not a cinema camera, main reason being Sony isn’t afraid to go where canon is, and constantly brings out amazing stuff!
Thanks so much for the video. All great stuff but it would be so great if you could make a downloadable file of your footage even if its watermarked. Btw what are you putting in the matte box. Do you feel that the picture needs softening? Meanwhile thank so much and take care. Best K
It's just had a major update which might answer your questions. It's presented by the marvelously-English Alister Chapman, who doesn't annoyingly prefix every other adjective with the word "super". His FX9 video - th-cam.com/video/UU0ug9MiEzY/w-d-xo.html
Now that you've got two of them, you can build an office gym and use them for weightlifting as well! Might even throw in a C-Stand to function as a bar!
what do you think about the Kinefinity Mavo LF ? Around the same prices for a full frame cinema camera. Kinefinity does 12bit prores 4444 6k75fps internal
My sigma 18-35mm has that same focus motor noise that you're talking about, but only while using the MC-11 adapter. I wonder if a firmware update would fix the issue?
I noticed you don't use cine lenses. Is there a reason why? Can you do a video about cine vs photo lenses. It seems like, if one doesn't use cine lenses is a not DP😁
The cinetone looks really good! It's so hard to decide for a camera dude. Wanna purchase an entry cinema level camera soon and this could be a good option (even tho it's not entry-level haha). Still wanna wait if canon announces C300MIII or the Komodo.
This was a very good insight! You have very good talent and seem to understand all the aspects of the camera, something I see in very few people that do this kind of work. I bet you're easy to work with too. Now i have a new name to look for.
The noise of focusing is normal for some of the early lenses. I didn't go for FX9 while I noticed it does not support 4k 60fps in full-frame mode. Besides, no 444 or 4444 or raw is a bit disappointing, so I still keep my ARRI Amira, and waiting for the firmware update of FX9 or C300III published.
Mark, appreciated your review! I am a five-year Sony FS7 vet and it’s been hard for me to justify the purchase of a camera that on the surface only seems to be moderately better than what I have. I shoot in slog3 and grade most projects in Resolve, so I’m already squeezing a ton of goodness out of my images anyway. Most of my clients are local/regional corporate clients that don’t see the quality difference between a Sony and an Arri, so how much better is the quality between the two, really? Is it really that much better? 10K in the middle of CV crisis for a cam that is basically a full frame FS7 with better low light performance might not be the best business decision 😜 Thx!
@@markbone 👍 Appreciate your channel. Keep it up! Too many youtubers out there with virtually NO pro experience doing reviews and tutorials. You're a BRIGHT spot on the interwebs!
Hi Mark, I am a FS7 owner but recently ordered the FX9. Out of curiosity, I noticed that you have a very clean set up. No Sony EVF (on FS7 and FX9) and no handle with magnifier, etc. How does it work for you like that? Using the Small HD, you need batteries, etc. I was thought the EVF of the FX9 was better? And the handle to me seems really practical, especially the magnify button...
I only use the arm when I’m on a easy rig or my shoulder. I hate all standard camera monitors (unless they’re made by RED) compared to a large size external monitor. I have an adapter that powers the monitor off the batteries but even so I don’t really care that if I need batteries, the image quality and my trust in the focus of an external monitor is just so much dang better the than the monitors that come default for Sony/Canon that I don’t mess around. Also too LUTS and False colour are so important for me. When you’re trying to DP and really understand the image you’re capturing I feel you need a good monitor, world of difference
@@markbone I like working with the Small HD bright 501, but I need to power it through my V mount battery, so I need the external unit. Are there any other solutions? One last question, I sometimes shoot with my metabones ultra adapter/canon 24-70L 2.8 Does the autofocus work with this combi on the FX9. Do you happen to know? Thanks. Nice work btw!
interesting and useful comparison of cameras, with a lively and engaging tone and, most important, based on real usage. Do you think there is still a clear gap between high end cinema cameras, mid level cinema cameras like the FX9, and hybrid mirrorless ? Do you think you could shoot a documentary with sufficient quality on a xt4, or on the future eosr5?
yeah, dynamic range is king for me, and the high end cameras take the cake on that. Also, no one beats the Alexa colour science. Also yes you could shoot on one of those mirrorless cameras for a doc but audio is always the biggest hurdle and thats' why I don't mess with cameras that don't have XLR in unless they're my B-Cam
The Sony cinema cameras can shoot Raw externally to Atomos Shogun Inferno/7. Cinema DNG up to 4k 30fps, and ProRes Raw at all frame rates. 4k/120, 2k/240 etc. Do you have expeirience working with Prores raw since its currently only available with FCPX and suppose to be coming to premiere pro. Do you have any color grading tips you can share with us in either prores raw or cinema dng raw??
Mark Bone Not sure for the FX9, but I use the Sony FS700r and atomos shogun inferno. Just need SDI cable and SSD media for the shogun. Works the same with FS5/7. Depending on the camera you will need a firmware update from sony. But the FS5ii and FS7ii come with raw firmware already.
The canon is nice. I find it a bit too orange sometimes for skin tones and it gets crunchy in the Black’s with most LUTS but this is stuff you can fix. Overall the Canon looks nicer quicker but with some love the Sony can look just as good if not better
Mark - do you use FX9 rigged on the shoulder or only handheld? If so which rig do you use to keep it light as possible and with a balanced centre of gravity?
@@markbone Lol aren't we all. I'm wondering if they just didn't put enough data transfer speed in the sensor block this time around. The full frame 2K scan mode is noticeably better than the s35 2K scan mode at 120p, so I feel like they are already pulling a tone of pixels to get this far on the 6K scan.
Hi Mark, brilliant review. Ive just bought an fs7 and I have native full frame sony glass and Im looking for one lens that really fits the fs7. Would you go speedbooster and a 24-70 canon/tamron or sigma 18-35 f1.8 with normal adapter?
Are the e mount lenses mounted onto the fx9 as fast focus as those of the alpha series? Since those tend to be more of a photography filming hybrid, would these cinema camera perform similarly
Just a question tho, is it your personal preference to have more green tones in ur videos? Skin looks greenish for sure but done in an artistic way. Im confused if it’s a sony problem or just ur style
Mark Bone nice! Looks so good, I saw the video and my guess was it was either 24mm or a 35mm. I thought mike did all his professional videos, anyways, I got the 24mm 1.4 sigma for the a7iii and it’s killer!
I've never felt like cropping in 120p was a big deal (assuming you're not losing resolving ability, which at 1080p you're not). If I want slow motion, it's usually because I want to highlight detail, so it's nice to be able to get closer to the action without changing a lens. Nobody wants to shoot static wide landscapes in slow motion!! 😂 Having said that I do much prefer the FS7/FX9 to the C300mkII/C500mkII for other reasons.
@MarkBone you are a straight G 👌... I like hearing your perspective on cameras and filmmaking because this is what you do for a living and you're not sharing this ever more common "youtube gear reviewer" POV which feels more like a sales pitch. You're an incredible filmmaker too!
Do you have computer glasses you wear while editing? Night shift messes with the colors, so I don't ever turn that on. I was wondering if you had any recommendations on how to reduce eye strain.
Which camera would you buy and why? Fx9 or C500?
FX9! In general I want to switch to Sony as Canon are just too slow with upgrades and updates. Thank you for all the value and for the shout out on your LIVE to my country, South Africa. I appreciate you big time :)
@@malcolmrainers Love South Africa!
Really thorough video Mark! I would say it really matches your style of final image after coloring a bit more (moodier, darker, etc) But, I think the canon is still the better choice in image quality. Also, I know the ergonomics work better for someone who doesn't primarily do handheld/shoulderstyle shooting primarily. Finally yes, canon sucks at slowmo, but I'm a big believer that 60p and above is waaaayyyy overdone now so overcrank for me is not a big deal.
right now i'll be super happy with a Sony A7SII.. i don't think i'm ready for a big boy camera 😄
Still keeping my bmpcc4k
Can’t buy any of those, but I still enjoy watching this...
Borrow one of ours! :)
Mark Bone yes, one day I will come to Toronto, borrow a camera of yours and apply all the things you teach! ✊🏼😤
Yup! Not even close to needing to buy one.
Me too!!!
@@markbone can I borrow?! :D
Mark's decision makes sense based upon his situation. It's the same for all of us. If you have clients who like and request Sony and don't ever care about shooting RAW, buy the FX-9. I had it for a month to write a review, shot three client projects on it, it's a great camera. If you have clients who are not really in the FS7 MKII/FX-9 demo and like the Canon look, buy the C500 MKII, it's an amazing camera as well. You could easily shoot any kind of programming on either of these incredible machines.
The main differentiators for me would be glass owned (I own a dozen Canon EF mount lenses), whether or not you want to shoot RAW or your clients do (we have several clients who we shoot a lot of green screen for, they LOVE RAW) and your budget. S-Cinetone brings actual usable colors to the FX-9 straight out of camera and it's a lot cheaper than the C500 MKII. Just remember too, if RAW is a big factor for you and your work, the C200 has dropped to $6,500.00 and it is still 90% as capable as either of these cameras.
Also, just an observation, FF is ok but nothing to make a buying decision off of. S35 is still 99% as effective for most types of filmmaking, I ran the FX-9 FF and S35 mode on my shoots and either worked really well.
No reason to bad mouth anyone who buys either of these cameras or play brand fanboy, either of them are better than anything on the market under $16k.
Great insights Daniel. I have fallen in love with my 24mm on FF so it’s a big deal for me these days and yes, price is much cheaper for the Sony!!
Why don’t many of the more popular TH-cam camera reviewers talk about the Ursa Pro G2 4.6k? Seems like it has a lot of the same features and a great price
“Date the camera, marry the lenses.”
It’s a no brainer choice since you have a lot of Sony glass. Why would you change to Canon.
Love that quote!
Absolutely. I'm getting the BMPCC4K next, not because of the camera, but because I have a bunch of M43rds cine primes. The lenses all together cost much more than the body does.
@@Kaboom1212Gaming Upgrading from a GH4 / GH5?
@@BeaPhotographerlessons No I have the original BMPCC from 2012. It's got a great look, but mine is getting beat up. The mini hdmi connection entirely snapped off the board so I don't have that anymore for my monitor. And there are a few dead pixels in the display screen. None show up in the image, but it's getting old now. I still love the look of the image so I'll use it on certain projects, but it's tough doing client work when the see a janky camera like that :)
The gyro stabilization is actually super powerful and one of the main reasons I'm considering the camera. If you check out some Catalyst test clips, you'll see that it's possible to replicate the look of gimbal or steadicam (if you use a fast shutter speed). I'd consider it a major win for short-form shooting like commercials. For long form, the additional render time is probably a deal breaker.
I can’t wait to mess around with the catalyst software. I read somewhere it works best with Sony lenses due to the metadata. Is that true?
All I know is that it will only work with lenses that can supply metadata to the camera. So it won't work with vintage or manual lenses. But maybe off-brand modern lenses (Sigma, Tamron) will be ok. Catalyst applies lens distortion correction based on a unique profile for each lens, so it needs the lens to ID itself.
@@BrandonLiUnscripted hopefully my EF lenses that are adapted provide this data, I doubt Sony wants that though
According to the official product page, Sony E mount lenses are required. So yeah no EF compatibility unfortunately.
Is this better than Warp stabilizer?
The Bus and Submarine scale's were amazing 😂😂
Sony needs to figure it out lol. those weren't even with the RAW recorder attached, just the adapter
@@markbone its crazy how big it is! I didn't know how much bigger it was over the extension Unit on the FS7 until i got mine... I like a large camera but its defiantly makes it huge!
Brian Hunt what is your setup these days with it?
@@markbone Using the shape handle extension, same style one that I used on my FS7 for years, think thats a must have, external small HD 703 monitor, Wood Camera EFV holder/arm and looking at getting the Wooden Camera V-mount accessory. Looks really nice and compact and allows you to still be able to have a sony batter in the camera itself so you could hot swap Vmount while recording. I have a bunch of the sony batteries but finding the FX8 definitely draws quite a bit more power then the FS7 so needing to swap batteries more often then I would like too, so Vmount on the back will help with that.
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Wow, that cinetone profile looks beautiful. Thanks for the video -- all the important information in a very digestible manner.
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We've had the FX9 since Jan 2, love it, use the variable ND all the time, have it also on our FS5, great review, Mark!!!!
Nice!
This camera really delivers sick quality! Love watching footage of it. Great that you shared your thoughts
Thanks mate!!
Nice review man, I'm a Blackmagic / Canon shooter but looks like a pretty cool cam with lovely image.
Great video Mark...I’ve shot quite a bit on the c500 Mark ii and made a few videos about it. Thanks for the real world review of the fx9. Looks to be an interesting camera.
Thanks mate!
Thank you for making this Mark! I've been eyeing the FX9 closely and this is helpful.
Get one! Or buy our Fs7's lol
@@markbone lol I'm looking for a run and gun camera (currently on an a7iii and love the hybrid features of it), that I could take on tour with artists and document on the fly handheld. So a rig that is quick is important to me. For that what would you recommend, FS7 or FX9 or neither lol?
@@lukestrege502 If you're doing handheld both are great! The Fx9 images are so gorgeous but if you want an Fs7 we are selling two of them!
I really enjoy watching your vids... I am not a cinematographer by any mean or even close... but I enjoy all the info and insight you provide. It does help a lot. I actually laughed out loud with the school bus 30 ft and submarine 560 ft reference. Can't wait to see your next vid or be in the next live.
Thanks mate!!
Just subbed bro...found you via Matti's channel and binge watched your vids. No disrespect to Matti, but you're my new fav filmmaker on TH-cam! 🙂 You're crazy talented but also down-to-earth and you keep it real, and as an aspiring filmmaker also out of the 6ix, I've experienced first hand much of the stuff you talk about, so I know you know your shit. Your work is straight 🔥and an inspiration, especially the way you utilize your dark and moody look...I love shooting that style myself! Keep doin what you do brother! Oh, and FX9 for exactly the same reasons you mentioned...again, those who know, know!
Wow thanks Jules 🙏🏻🙏🏻 hope this channel helps you along your filmmaking journey
I love the image quality out of my Sony A7iii in 4K. When your settings are dialed in and focus is bang on the image looks so clear and cinematic. Nice video as always Mark ✌🏻
If by some chance you actually get to read my comment I’d like to ask a question please? I really don’t like the 120p on the Sony A7iii. I shoot with a Sony 16-35 f2.8 GM. If I were to shoot with a Sony Prime, do you think I’d see better results at 120p? Thanks mate.
Are you shooting S&Q 120fps or native 120?
Mark Bone I’ve tried both but I shoot native.
One thing I’ve found with Sony 1080 is to shoot with a shallow depth of field. With the lower bitrate it will render better images if everything isn’t in focus. So a fast prime lens or shooting on the 35 end will render best results
Is there a purpose to keeping the ND in your polar pro basecamp if the Fx9 has the built-in one?
I believe you can't use catalyst software/stabilization when the ND is in play at the same time.
@@giovannigarcia10 Wut, seriously?
The electronic variable ND on the Fx9 only goes up to 7 stops. If you want 10 stops, to shoot f/1.8 in broad day light etc, you’ll need to add additional ND.
@@zacharykepler3567 Can you confirm whether or not you can use stabilization when the ND filter in engaged?
@@zacharykepler3567 One of the reasons why I choose the C300III.
I still want a C500 but this video is super informative and gives a good list of stuff to ask canon to implement.. I appreciate reviews with facts like this one
I was honestly blown away with how much better the FX9 is from the FS7. I had two FS7's and used them all the time for all kinds of productions (when cine level wasn't an option). I agree with you about the lack of varispeed in 6K FF, it's a bummer but I'm glad they at least acknowledged it and are releasing through firmware. I've heard they're also allowing up to 120fps in 4k ProRes RAW which is extremely exciting. I'm really hoping to upgrade our cameras to these FX9's, happy to hear from another commercial director how they fair on real world sets. Thanks again for the very well done review!
I was considering the C500 II as I was blown away by the image quality. FX9 not too far off apparantly ! Thanks for the review.
Yeah they’re a lot closer than people would like to think from my experiences so far
Do you ever use vintage lenses on this kind of high-end rig? and if so, why? a dedicated video on the topic would be lovely :-)
1991ClarkJames sometimes I do. Older lenses often have more interesting bokeh. Typically though if I’m gonna shoot a commercial I would try and rent something like the Canon K35
Is it suits for documentary or movies !!
It is an electronic variable ND, not a circular polarizing filter 🤨 polarizing filters come with a lot of problems.
Came here to say this. Sony did huge R&D on this and it shouldn't be ignored.
Thats awesome, i hate VND filters, that cross polarization is awful.
I’ve owned the C100 and C200 and never have I had an issue with the IRIS wheel on the front left and this is the first time I’ve heard someone complain about it. Now that the C300 mk iii has internal Raw, 4k 120fps with no crop, 2k 180fps and 422 standard, how would you compare them even tho you haven’t shot with it?
C300MKIII is gonna be a beast!
Thanks for the comparison video Mark! I appreciate your insights!
That autofocus sound is just the Sigma 18-35. They all have noisy autofocus and it is the ONLY flaw in that lens - other than that, one of the best pieces of glass you can put in your bag (unless you're a full frame shooter).
How much does both of this cameras cost now?
I have no business buying an FX9 (I'm a DIY youtube vlogger part time, my day job is something completely different) but I'm a junkie for incredible image quality. I'm mainly worried about size! Do you think it's possible to strip down the kit for portability?
yeah, you can get rid of the matte box and top handle
The noise is not the adapter, just typical Sigma Lens. Happens both on my 50mm and 30mm Art. Wish they were silent...Cool vid btw 😎👍
Zeek yeah it’s just seems to be the norm on all sigma lenses that are adapted
@@markbone
Well I guess it makes sense to use an external recorder. Just another step though.
Love to hear the different perspective of these cameras. They seem to compete but they still doesn't compete because they have their own focus on specs and handling the camera. I would choose Canon C500 because of the form factor and raw internal. Also because I like to manual focus with canon lenses 😅
Good call. I used to be a Canon man but was swayed from years of shooting FS7 and this FX9 looks great. Nice video.
Thanks mate
“That’s like calling your record button ‘save.’” 🤣🤣🤣
I wish I had the sony FS7 I can't afford a camera like that I am working on a Project but I had to Barrow a camera for 2 days but it would be nice to own your own good video do you have any films on Netflix? If so what ones I would love to watch it
Check out Flight of the Butterflies (I helped edit) if it's still there or Transcend (the running documentary) or go to rescatethefilm.com
The 18-35 sigma autofocus is noisy lol its the lens it sucks for vlogging or when using audio from camera
Sony can't add internal true RAW recording due to RED's RAW patent. That's why Blackmagic's RAW is called "BRAW" and Canon's "Cinema RAW Light" and as I understand it - these RAW codecs are slightly compressed?
Yes. BRaw has a layer of debayer so it’s not true RAW. I don’t know how Canon gets around it though
You should collaborate with C500ii users (Armando) to inform future buyers of the pros and cons of each system.
your videos are incredible! how did i not find you earlier
Thanks man! Appreciate the love. Help more discover it too if you want! 😬😬😬
I am an EPK DP in ICG669 amd we shoot on sony FS7 mostly and I have own a Sony A7Rii so all my glass is Sony/Zeiss collaboration of gmaster so I am hoping to get into an FX9 this year bit have been weary of the limitations I hear about.. thanks for the video..
Welcome mate
I looked through the description, but what brand is your top handle?
Wooden Camera
What sigma lens is that? It looks like the 20mm art.
I only ask because I’m wondering how to attached the polar pro matte box to the 20mm sigma art lens without going the rail support route since that lens doesn’t have filter threads haha
24mm sigma
Have you ever tried a Blackmagic cinema camera? The Ursa Mini Pro G2 has crazy codecs, frame rates, and latitude. If you haven’t tried one I’d definitely recommend experimenting one for your next shoot or doing some test shots - the debate between Canon and Sony is old and a little restrictive. Pocket 4K is amazing as well
yeah I've used them a bunch! Love the images, hate the form factor. but they're still great.
Mark Bone touché
I've been doing some heavy research on the FX9 during all this lockdown and this is one of the best videos I've come across, real world use! - I think that lack of FF 4K currently is a bit of an issue, hopefully they don't take too long to get that update out.
i started on the f55 and even today having shot RED, Canon and Arri, i miss the f55 - it’s look, it’s simplicity. i got my hands on an Arri Alexa Studio - there’s a truck inside it i’m certain, but even at 2K it’s got a better picture than anything available. I also shoot with the Sony Z280 which has a lot of the features you love about the fx9- but obviously not full frame. the variable nd is insane - and putting it on auto leaving f1.9 is like being spoiled. great real world look - and great commercials. cheers
One of my first cinema cameras was the F5! The younger bro for the F55
Would you have considered the C300mk3 now that's come out? Aside from Full Frame... it's a good competitor.
The Shooting PD yeah definitely! It’s gonna be a great camera. Sony should be scared
Thanks Mark, I liked this review, especially the double ISO - with clean 4000 iso signal and the no stepping ND, those are great useful features. Also the shots looked very nice and clean. I am doing some documentary work on a budget with my fuji XH1 but I enjoyed looking at the professional tools to learn what they have to offer over the standard mirrorless setups.
How do you expose slog 3?
Is Super 35 on Cine cameras like C200, FS5 etc and APSC the same crop?
It's very close
Pretty much the same
Hey Great video. Lots of insights from a realistic and personal point of view; Just my 2 cents concerning the "iris wheel" problem you have with the C500 MKII. It's simple as hell, this can be deactivated (or set to any parameter such as iso or WB) in the dedicated assign button menu. And to change the iris then on you can use the wheel on the grip...
Nicos Tube solved! I’ll definitely set this up next time
I'm an Ursa Mini Pro fan here. Saw a lot of pros and cons, the variable ND is a huge unique factor! How would you say the FX9 compares to in image quality and in handling to the Ursa mini Pro 4.6k?
I'm curious if you have on to the fx6 since this video, 4k 120 FF is amazing!, I wish sony would add internal to the FX6 mkii, that would be crazy!
I noticed you had nd filters with a box attached to the front of the lens at the beginning. How do you use that in combination with the inbuilt ND filter
It was a 4x5 Hollywood black magic filter
Is that sony fs7 mk I or ii you used?
Question, does the variable nd cause weird polarization like lots of VND’s ??
Alex Absolute it’s an electronic based VND not polarized ✨
Nope. It’s actually LCD ND’s (I was mistaken) so it’s fine
Mark Bone then wow that’s badass! I’m a Sony shooter, only on an a7iii not a cinema camera, main reason being Sony isn’t afraid to go where canon is, and constantly brings out amazing stuff!
Nathan Weber yah just saw marks comment, that’s pretty amazing then. It’s a feature which actually would get my attention just for pure convenience.
Alex Absolute they are but they’re also afraid of internal RAW which sucks
Thanks so much for the video. All great stuff but it would be so great if you could make a downloadable file of your footage even if its watermarked. Btw what are you putting in the matte box. Do you feel that the picture needs softening? Meanwhile thank so much and take care. Best K
Question, did Sony ever update the camera so it can record external raw straight to a shogun and no crop FF 60 fps ?
It's just had a major update which might answer your questions. It's presented by the marvelously-English Alister Chapman, who doesn't annoyingly prefix every other adjective with the word "super". His FX9 video - th-cam.com/video/UU0ug9MiEzY/w-d-xo.html
Now that you've got two of them, you can build an office gym and use them for weightlifting as well! Might even throw in a C-Stand to function as a bar!
bahaha, I should!
It's like calling your record button "save" Lol, great video, I remember searching forever... I'm going to pick one up!
what do you think about the Kinefinity Mavo LF ? Around the same prices for a full frame cinema camera. Kinefinity does 12bit prores 4444 6k75fps internal
If the FX9 had full-frame 4k 120p (10bit+) it would be my dream camera flat out no questions asked
I think the only cameras that can do that is the Onyx by Phantom
Fast forward 8 months to the FX6
My sigma 18-35mm has that same focus motor noise that you're talking about, but only while using the MC-11 adapter. I wonder if a firmware update would fix the issue?
Apparently it’s across the board. It’s a sigma thing :(
Doesn’t RED hold some kind of patent on internal RAW recording?
It does
I noticed you don't use cine lenses. Is there a reason why?
Can you do a video about cine vs photo lenses.
It seems like, if one doesn't use cine lenses is a not DP😁
The cinetone looks really good! It's so hard to decide for a camera dude. Wanna purchase an entry cinema level camera soon and this could be a good option (even tho it's not entry-level haha). Still wanna wait if canon announces C300MIII or the Komodo.
Cameras are like buying cars, there will always be next years model on the horizon, the best one is the one that gets you from point A to B.
Very well said man. :)
This was a very good insight! You have very good talent and seem to understand all the aspects of the camera, something I see in very few people that do this kind of work. I bet you're easy to work with too. Now i have a new name to look for.
What top plate is that? 👍
Wooden Camera FX9 top plate
You think the fs7 is still worth it for commercial and corporate work?
Reviews of this kind is what we need
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The noise of focusing is normal for some of the early lenses. I didn't go for FX9 while I noticed it does not support 4k 60fps in full-frame mode. Besides, no 444 or 4444 or raw is a bit disappointing, so I still keep my ARRI Amira, and waiting for the firmware update of FX9 or C300III published.
Mark, appreciated your review! I am a five-year Sony FS7 vet and it’s been hard for me to justify the purchase of a camera that on the surface only seems to be moderately better than what I have. I shoot in slog3 and grade most projects in Resolve, so I’m already squeezing a ton of goodness out of my images anyway. Most of my clients are local/regional corporate clients that don’t see the quality difference between a Sony and an Arri, so how much better is the quality between the two, really? Is it really that much better? 10K in the middle of CV crisis for a cam that is basically a full frame FS7 with better low light performance might not be the best business decision 😜
Thx!
If your clients don't care, then there isn't a return on investment! Good call
@@markbone 👍 Appreciate your channel. Keep it up! Too many youtubers out there with virtually NO pro experience doing reviews and tutorials. You're a BRIGHT spot on the interwebs!
Everybody shoots in a different way, but we have found some of the audio handling/routing improvements over the FS7 to be useful on the FX9.
The school bus and the submarine are my favorites 😅
What name of that matte box on the sigma 18-35?
Basecamp VND
Hi Mark, I am a FS7 owner but recently ordered the FX9. Out of curiosity, I noticed that you have a very clean set up. No Sony EVF (on FS7 and FX9) and no handle with magnifier, etc. How does it work for you like that? Using the Small HD, you need batteries, etc. I was thought the EVF of the FX9 was better? And the handle to me seems really practical, especially
the magnify button...
I only use the arm when I’m on a easy rig or my shoulder. I hate all standard camera monitors (unless they’re made by RED) compared to a large size external monitor. I have an adapter that powers the monitor off the batteries but even so I don’t really care that if I need batteries, the image quality and my trust in the focus of an external monitor is just so much dang better the than the monitors that come default for Sony/Canon that I don’t mess around. Also too LUTS and False colour are so important for me. When you’re trying to DP and really understand the image you’re capturing I feel you need a good monitor, world of difference
@@markbone I like working with the Small HD bright 501, but I need to power it through my V mount battery, so I need the external unit. Are there any other solutions? One last question, I sometimes shoot with my metabones ultra adapter/canon 24-70L 2.8 Does the autofocus work with this combi on the FX9. Do you happen to know? Thanks. Nice work btw!
interesting and useful comparison of cameras, with a lively and engaging tone and, most important, based on real usage. Do you think there is still a clear gap between high end cinema cameras, mid level cinema cameras like the FX9, and hybrid mirrorless ? Do you think you could shoot a documentary with sufficient quality on a xt4, or on the future eosr5?
yeah, dynamic range is king for me, and the high end cameras take the cake on that. Also, no one beats the Alexa colour science. Also yes you could shoot on one of those mirrorless cameras for a doc but audio is always the biggest hurdle and thats' why I don't mess with cameras that don't have XLR in unless they're my B-Cam
Is that the Sigma MC-11 adapter?
Yes!
Your Sigma lens with the adapter isn't broken. Mine makes a lot of noise too on my a6500 and is just a common issue. =(
The Sony cinema cameras can shoot Raw externally to Atomos Shogun Inferno/7. Cinema DNG up to 4k 30fps, and ProRes Raw at all frame rates. 4k/120, 2k/240 etc. Do you have expeirience working with Prores raw since its currently only available with FCPX and suppose to be coming to premiere pro. Do you have any color grading tips you can share with us in either prores raw or cinema dng raw??
You still need the XDCA adapter don’t you to record to the Atmos?
Mark Bone Not sure for the FX9, but I use the Sony FS700r and atomos shogun inferno. Just need SDI cable and SSD media for the shogun. Works the same with FS5/7. Depending on the camera you will need a firmware update from sony. But the FS5ii and FS7ii come with raw firmware already.
Great video Mark. Subscribed!
Thanks mate!
Hi mark , what do you think about the color science compare to the canon c500 ?
The canon is nice. I find it a bit too orange sometimes for skin tones and it gets crunchy in the Black’s with most LUTS but this is stuff you can fix. Overall the Canon looks nicer quicker but with some love the Sony can look just as good if not better
could you shoot some color charts with the A7III Slog-2 and the FX9 cinetone and create for us a conversion lut SLog2-Cinetone?
Mark - do you use FX9 rigged on the shoulder or only handheld? If so which rig do you use to keep it light as possible and with a balanced centre of gravity?
Are you concerned that the full frame 60p will have an 83% crop? When it does come out?
Praying they go FULL FRAME 60fps at some point
@@markbone Lol aren't we all. I'm wondering if they just didn't put enough data transfer speed in the sensor block this time around. The full frame 2K scan mode is noticeably better than the s35 2K scan mode at 120p, so I feel like they are already pulling a tone of pixels to get this far on the 6K scan.
what do you think about the URSA mini pro G2 for the paid gigs you do?
Quick question! Why are you using Polar Pro matte box with VND when FX9 has internal ND?
Using a Mist filter on the front :)
Mark Bone ahh that makes sense! So you’re using it only as matte box and not as vnd? Is that correct?
Hi Mark, brilliant review. Ive just bought an fs7 and I have native full frame sony glass and Im looking for one lens that really fits the fs7. Would you go speedbooster and a 24-70 canon/tamron or sigma 18-35 f1.8 with normal adapter?
Casper Janning it all depends what you’re shooting. I typically go for 24-70’s but again, all depends on the subject matter
Mark Bone why do you go for that one? :)
Where can you rent something like this in Toronto?
Habibi
love your work man, great video, very insightful.
Great review mate, straight to the point! Have you ever worked with the Panasonic Eva1?
Mark, please create an online course for basic camera instruction. I would pay $$$ for a course like that. #justsaying
Man that fs7 footage looks nice!
Are you using EF glass with it ? How are the E Mount pieces ?
All EF at the moment
Your lens it not damaged. Had the same issue and bought a Sony Mount Lense.
can the Fx9 record raw to an external like an Atomos recorder?
Are the e mount lenses mounted onto the fx9 as fast focus as those of the alpha series? Since those tend to be more of a photography filming hybrid, would these cinema camera perform similarly
I haven’t done side by side tests but I find the sigma Art series (e mount) as fast as I need them for my documentary work
@@markbone Appreciate the comment! Looking forward to get my wallet dipped into the fx9!
Just a question tho, is it your personal preference to have more green tones in ur videos? Skin looks greenish for sure but done in an artistic way. Im confused if it’s a sony problem or just ur style
did you do the kinobody shoot on the 24mm sigma lens? and did you use 1.4 or did you go down to maybe 2.8?
24mm all 1.4
Mark Bone nice! Looks so good, I saw the video and my guess was it was either 24mm or a 35mm. I thought mike did all his professional videos, anyways, I got the 24mm 1.4 sigma for the a7iii and it’s killer!
@@gunnarbjarkiii it was essentially a 35mm half the time because I was shooting 60fps cropped at S35
Mark Bone thanks man! Keep killing it! Will you do a comparison for the fx9 vs the a7iii? I mean is it even comparable?
@@gunnarbjarkiii I wouldn't at that point. They're just too far apart in price point
Software update coming now, announcement was after this video.
I've never felt like cropping in 120p was a big deal (assuming you're not losing resolving ability, which at 1080p you're not). If I want slow motion, it's usually because I want to highlight detail, so it's nice to be able to get closer to the action without changing a lens. Nobody wants to shoot static wide landscapes in slow motion!! 😂 Having said that I do much prefer the FS7/FX9 to the C300mkII/C500mkII for other reasons.
Hey! Which is your go to fast zoom lens for documentary? And which lens are you using in your test footage? Looks gorgeous
I often just stick to either the Canon 24-70 series 1 when not using a matte box but if I do need a matte box then I’ll use the Cambrio 19-90
@MarkBone you are a straight G 👌... I like hearing your perspective on cameras and filmmaking because this is what you do for a living and you're not sharing this ever more common "youtube gear reviewer" POV which feels more like a sales pitch. You're an incredible filmmaker too!
Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Just trying to share my insights from #setlife
Great review thank you. What is the current firmware version?
Do you have computer glasses you wear while editing? Night shift messes with the colors, so I don't ever turn that on. I was wondering if you had any recommendations on how to reduce eye strain.