30 years ago I read the Bible straight through from Genesis to Revelation. Infidelity, wars, human sacrifice, sexual assault, torture (Job), massacres... When I finished I thought, "This not how a perfect God would act." Since then I have been an atheist.
@@janicecolumbus4917 You freakin nailed it. I found all this out in third grade and saw religion for what it was…just a shitty human interpretation of ‘God’s’ word.
All I had to do was watch the news for enough years. One day I realized that none of it makes sense if there is a "Benevolent Tyrant in the Sky Who Luvvvvs Us". Later I learned the difference between primacy of existence and primacy of consciousness and why it is so easy for many people to get it wrong way around and assume an Old Man In The Sky waggled "His" fingers and Existence happened.
I think the late, great George Carlin puts it best … Doesn’t god have some sort of divine plan, what if what’s being prayed for is not in that plan …should god change his plan? And what if prayers aren’t answered, people just say “well it’s god’s will” If it’s god’s will then why bother praying in the first place?
Hitchens had one also “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” - Hitchens
Atheist religion has pagan religious rituals and false prophets and prophesies, exacly like islame has. For example, when a pdf file atheist man wants to become woman, all he does is he prays to prophet richard Dorkins, and then, _instantly_ he becomes biologically born woman. It's a miracle alHAMduli Lah!
@MilitantAntiAtheism if you can round up all atheists (Stalin was an atheist, Dawkins is an atheist, most Buddhist monks are atheists, all the same to you) and make generalizations like that, am I allowed to do the same? Can I assume that all Christians support p*dophile priests? Can I assume tha anyone who praise the Bible also praises genocide, slavery and misoginy as commanded in the book?
My wonderful dad told me to question everything and not to believe in invisible unknowable entities. He taught me how to learn. I have never been able to fool myself. I have never understood or comprehended why humans believe in fictional beings. I now, at 70, feel wonderfully free of spirit and my free will is immense.
Yes, you are correct in that God gave you free will. You can accept the Great God Almighty of the Bible or you can reject Him. As for me, give me Jesus.
@@davewalt1781 But if you truly believe in God, then you would know that you actually don't have free will. Remember God is supposedly All Knowing, therefore everything you do would already be known and predetermined. Meaning you have no free will. See how that is just another control tool of religion?
I am an agnostic, and I think there are LOTS of things wrong with humanity. As a species, we have always been callous and cruel to each other, and we have been even worse in regards to other creatures on our planet. Stating that, I don't think that beliefs in supernatural beings has helped us become any better in this regard. In fact, such beliefs have often _increased_ human callousness and cruelty!
I tend to agree. Religion seems to be frequently used as an excuse for attacking a perceived outgroup, even if the true reason is grabbing land/resources.
The truth is actually the opposite. Christianity will always be attacked for defending the powerless and defenseless. It has a long history of aiding the most vulnerable either in human dignity or human equality. Christianity has been undermined recently by the selfish, egocentric, humanism. When we set God aside like in Communism, we give power to evil.
I strongly agree, and I can show as well as prove the point. Muslims don't want to knock animals for food consumption before slaying them. Religions have always been cruel to each other, all claiming to be the absolute one and slaying all the other religious believers in their respective religions. And many many more.
Wow, Dan Baker is Brillant. It took me 0ver 15 years to de-program myself from religion I also was a part of the cult Church of Scientology. Ever sense I became an Atheist my life has be better.
@@iam604 How can it be, that pdf file atheists believe what atheist religion doctrines say that men can give birth, but then at the same time, they reject what doctrines of islame say that women can be pregnant for ten years? Both claims are factually wrong. So why believe in one huge lie over another huge lie? Is it because atheists are dishonest? or maybe because they're mentally ill? Or both?
So it is brilliant he was able to explain that out of nothing all the way back billions of years nothing declared it's self something sprung all by itself into You ....wow that takes some faith 🙏
@@KarlDubhe Thanks Karl for you reply. But are you saying that God doesn't answer any prayers? God has answered many hundreds of my prayers and performed miracles in my life. I have seen many prayers answered in other people and miracles. God has gotten me through 2 major cancers. I consider myself a walking miracle of God. As I look back in my life, I see how God opened and closed doors for me and I am so thankful.
That’s how Trump manipulates the religious. He can’t even say what scripture is his favorite in interviews, yes a false prophet, a snake oil salesman non believer. Just realized I have something in common with the orange Cheetos man…..we’re both secular.
@@MichaelLevine-n6y In fact it does. For how can any objective truth be debated as real or not? Here’s an example, whether you believe in gravity or not, you better have a parachute if you are going to jump out of a plane. Because the law of gravity is an objective truth. Religion is only a belief.
If you have enough faith, facts don't matter. That is the view of many religious people.i have a personal relationship with reality and facts do matter.
This is reason why Christainity is important, to have relationship with reality, not with delusions. When person remove God ( reality ), than there is only depravation what is left ( living with delusions, with false believe in false gods ). Facts matter and reality matter, reson why atheism should be treated as mental illness ( very serious delusion, detachment from relaity ).
@@nobs997 lol, Harvard reminds me of Jesus hometown of Nazareth. Prayers work 100% for people with faith, and are not a magical formula or bound by science. The reason I say it works 100 % is because God is all knowing, so He knows even before we ask. When we pray we don't ask for signs of wonder or proof, but prayer is a way of maintaining our relationship with the Creator, our Creator. So, if and when I pray, God hears me.
@@Misael-Hernandez Have enough prayers not been said for children with cancer all over the world? Why is the most merciful and almighty God not doing anything?
@MrSlovanprofessor yes we are all hasty when all we believed in is crap, all you religious humans do is talk nonsense, we like evidence, if there were any, there would not be tens of religions while all believers in them say this is the right one.
@naborukharat198 the nerv that bumhole had to call me sinful as if he knows me or as if he is a judge. So much for having the holy spirit within you crap. Even when I was a believer I didn't say such nasty things to anyone.
Jesus: knock knock Me: who's there? Jesus: it's me Jesus Christ I'm here to save you! Me: save me from what? Jesus: what's going to happen to you if you don't open this door!!!
Another good one I heard a long time ago A Christian missionary goes to an island in the Pacific to bring the word of GOD to uncontacted tribes. The first man he meets he asks Have you heard the word of the God of the Universe? The man replies No. The misiionary tells the man about the Bible and tells him that if he doesn't accept the GOD then he will not have ever lasting life and worse you will burn in hell for eternety. The man asks, So all my ancesters and friends who have died are in this Hell the GOD sends you to? The missionary pauses and says, Well no if you haven't heard the word of GOD you will be forgiven and allowed to enter Heaven. The Island man looks puzzled and says well then why did you tell me.
@@bobbertknokno4090 I have often pondered this as a serious question; if you don’t know that Jesus is alleged to have existed (and ‘why’), how could you be saved? And if someone then told you about Jesus, have they effectively condemned you to hell if you don’t believe their story. Is there are Christian reading this who can answer this for us?
@@InnesbI'm an agnostic theist now but was raised a Christian. It's very clear that belief is mandatory for those who have heard the "good news" (John 3:18). When Christians reach for the excuse to explain why so many humans who have never heard of Jesus, will not perish, is because it is illogical and dishonest to be held to the specific testimony of others. By the test of belief failing to reach so many, there is a 2 tiered testing ground: one dishonestly based on belief and one where the Christian God failed to get His word across and consequently not hold everyone equally accountable. The discrepancy is an illustration that it is all made up.
@@fredbmurphy Jesus came to his own, and they rejected Him. That's why the Good News is preached to all mankind. In other words, the wedding feast was set and ready to go on, but the ones invited did not show up, therefore servants were sent to invite all. All this reality has been pointed out but later discovered by you. Not everyone can understand and maybe you since you were taught. But to blame the Potter for having created pots of different colors and likes is understandable only that we are still the created and not the Creator. Many wish it was to the contrary but reality is not so.
♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Only fools revere the myths just bc a book claims itself to be the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what lunatics could believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
At first I that this was Dennis hopper. Hahaha. Definitely going to search for more content from Mr.Barker. Such a well organized and well spoken presenter
Many thanks to Dan and George Carlin for presenting the counter arguments against belief in gods. I'm still rooting out the last remnants of the religious programming I received as a child 50 years ago.
it's disgusting isn't it? that programming seeps way down to your bones. Not saying this would help everyone, but for me, taking a minor interest in classical reasoning (recognizing standard logical fallacies, etc.) and critical thinking is what really helped me distance myself from that programming. it's amazing how many things humans just accept as true that can't even pass a very simple smell test.
@@JamesRichardWiley INCORRECT The Problem Atheists have is, They Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it God is simply the Existence of Love we all acknowledge. Everybody Believes Love exists Simple. But infinite in Power and Expression. To ignore the Reality of that Is not only Unfortunate It’s Shameful
@@damianedwards8827 Utter bullshit. Atheists UNCOMPLICATE it, You're an idiot if you think religious people think of religion as simply the existence of love. They BELIEVE a sky daddy exist & OVER COMPLICATE it by trying to explain it as reality.
I became an atheist because when I actually heard a coherent argument about whether a god or gods exist I came away with the position that at the moment, it appears they don’t. Criticism of religions came afterwards, not before.
Wrong !!! Nothing stable in the world. People are changing. A criminal can transform a good person. A good person can easily become a criminal. All depend on circumstances surrounding you. And even more, it depends on your inner spiritual preparedness to stand against the evil things. The Bible is all about this.
@@Misael-Hernandez you underestimate the capability of humans to empathize and feel for other people, some people genuinely do good things for other people.. Not for skydaddy
@@vahansargsyan5551 Didn't God create this world to test us? Couldn't he have made this perfect instead of making everyone suffer THE WAY WE DO? Didn't He KNOW how well each of us would handle the challenges he used to test us? Didn't he intend Adam and Eve to live in the Garden of Eden? Wasn't he disappointed when they failed His test? Didn't he then change our world to include death, pain and suffering? All along God knew what was going to happen... right? And YOU BELIEVE THE HEAVEN YOU SEEK WILL BE PERFECT. Don't you see how insane your God is? Don't think beyond what is fed to you.
I did read that prayer does have an effect. A church member, ill in hospital, if told the whole congregation is praying for his recovery, will have a worse outcome, possibly due to expectation.
You hit the nail on the head. The whole religious edifice rest on convincing men/women that they are basically corrupt from birth. Without that, even the fear of death will vaporize. No god, no judgement, nothing to fear at death.
But you have to admit that for billions of people this is the truest truth. They live for it and there is no way they will start questioning it because for them godless life has no meaning. We just have to accept it no matter how ridiculous it seems to us.
Yes, and the rest keep seeking to rationalize past experiences, present situations, and future endeavors only to peak at how the rest of society is doing to satisfy your present state, meaningless.
It's amazing when atheists have terminally ill family members, they ask certain people in private to pray for those people knowing they will. It's happened to me several times with atheists.
I’ve always been the type to question things, and most of the time, the questions were encouraged… but if have religious questions…. “Because it’s written in the book, that’s why”
Not a consistent claim, you'd have to measure or swim the tiber to understand God's will. It's like when Jesus stopped by His hometown and almost everyone doubted Him and so therefore He couldn't make many miracles there, though He did heal a few here and there.
@@kenpyle1716 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. ( Mk 6: 5) He actually did heal a few. Of course faith is a part of the whole process of healing and miracles. If the sick had believed in healing I'm sure they didn't need Jesus then. If people don't need religion then Jesus wouldn't have left us His Church.
When he was just a tot, our youngest was very seriously ill with encephalitis, we were terrified we'd lose him. Did I pray? of course not, I'm atheist and NOT hypocrite. Thankfully he made a full recovery. No doubt if I'd been a believer, I'd be thanking "god" for saving him.
@@petersiska7510 yes it’s my choice, where was “god’ when my mother was killed with 18 month old me in her arms when a truck ran into our motorbike and sidecar as dad was helping out the traffic, why does “god” sit on its fat arse watching six million innocent children die every year from preventable conditions. If this “god” you’re so fecking terrified of was real it would be the most vile, cruel, immoral entity imaginable. Good job it is imaginary.
@@jackthebassman1 you are not making sense. I did not make any conclusion or statement but I doubt if prayer can do any damage - just like any poetry, lyric or song. On contrary, those who like it will enjoy themselves and receive healing. Is that so difficult to understand? I am only observing. Have you had your parents or grandparents praying?
@Whiffinger1 I was denying God like atheists do. However some Sundays I saw on TV these seemingly foolish people declaring their God does heal. They weren't directly speaking to me hut I overheard them. I was resolute to try this thing of theirs. It worked. 14 years now.
@@howtoobeygod4384So why did God inflict you with epilepsy for 14 years? God hates you? Why didn't God just prevent you from getting epilepsy 14 years ago?
WHAT an opportunity!!--"Did this universe of heat violate thermodynamics by beginning or being eternal?" Einstein said thermodynamics would "never be overthrown". But it disallows origin of heat and demands distribution to wave only if eternal. Science has absolutely no theory that confronts that contradiction, without originating or being eternal (not having distributed proscribes eternal). Barker invokes Evolution. "3rd day to 6th day" envelopes Genesis' creation of life: 66.6%. "Plant seed to human"; is inviolately ascending. But the "4th" day distinguished plant life as non-sacred in contradistinction to animal.. and originated "holy events". Defining life as distinct, plant from animal as Genesis does, leaves a "creation of life" periodicity of only 5th & 6th "days": 33.3% of the Genesis creation period. 4.2 billion years is 30.47% of 13.78 billion years: life's known existence and the existence of the universe. Darwin guessed life existed for 100 million years. He missed by a factor of x42....4,200%. Genesis missed by 2.83%. Hey Barker...READ SOMETHING!! The "Dawkins" claim for scientific empiricism is a categorical, provable lie. This universe can not exist according to the Laws of Thermodynamics. The Genesis account enunciates life's origin as "the land brought forth seed bearing plants and seed bearing trees". WHICH CAME FIRST: the plant or seed?!? IT'S A KOAN!! WHY did the land bring forth life and not purple God smoke??? IRRESPECTIVE---IT'S THE WAY WE KNOW LIFE GENERATES TODAY!! GREAT guessing "Genesis"!!
You have not fortune to find God... but let's be honests you are the worst generetion and when you Goddenier will disappeared with your empty cult called atheism, none will even remember you or regret you are gone.
When I walked away from atheism and became a Christian ( about the same time that Dan did the opposite) the parable of the prodigal son was not just a fable, it was a reality that was taking place in my own life. 40 years later, the loving embrace of the Father I rejected still holds me, and none of Dan's arguments can persuade me to leave it again.
And we can be as sure as sure can be that emotional need got the better of you. You've joined the ranks of those who will self-deceive for the sake of a comforting story.
@@jerrylanglois7892 that’s a great point. How awful is it to say I will never change my mind about something despite good arguments and the presentation of evidence. Some people are just so lost.
Yup - it is about your NEED to believe, not any rational thought process. It's your own frail psychology. You believe you are inadequate. You need an imaginary caretaker to face the world. You just proved Dan's point.
There are people who are just afraid of reality. They need to feel as if there is some guiding hand in control of things, because the idea of a world in chaos causes them much anxiety and makes them question what the point of their lives are. People like feeling hope. They like feeling as if they know what is going on around them. They like feeling as if they are part of a group that knows more than "the lost". The idea of going to a heaven and rejoining loved ones provides comfort. And normally I would be just fine with people believing what they want to believe. It doesn't matter as long as they're not hurting anyone. But some people do hurt others. They use their faith as a way to be superior to others, to judge them, to hate them.... And that is where I draw the line.
Let me ask you: Doesn’t the reality of life scare you sometimes? Doesn’t t the chaos you see day to day in the world cause much anxiety in you?do you not want to feel hope? Do you not want to have a guiding hand?
@@unworthyservant I answer yes to all those questions, at times more or less than others. But I won't give in to some fantasy delusion, abandoning all reason and ignoring the things I have learned and can plainly see, just so I can believe in nonsense and have those warm feelings.
@@mstrainjrwhat have you learned that stops you from believing that the feelings you get are your heart, mind and or soul yearning for God, Truth, or hope?
@@mstrainjr thanks for your candor. It does seem though that you dramatize the Christian religion as you say that Christians abandon all reason. That’s quite insulting. I would dare say that we are very reasonable in that we don’t lie to ourselves or jump through mental hoops to prove that we are good people. We readily accept that fact. Are you reasonable enough to accept that you may not be a good person?
@@unworthyservant When someone called Jesus " Good teacher", he corrected them by saying that no one is good except one: God. But what is good and what is bad depends on one's point of view. Is it good for a pastor to use his position of power over his congregation to influence them to believe things that directly violate things that can easily be proven? To convince the sheep under him to turn a blind eye to what is clearly evident? For example, the idea behind the Big bang is that everything in the universe is moving away from one central point. So if you were to reverse time, you would see everything in this universe come together in one single point. Also, the speed of light is known. The fact that we can see an object in space 13 billion light years away from us means that it took at least that long for the light to leave that galaxy and reach our eyes. So the universe itself is more than 6,000 years old; it's older than even 6 MILLION years. These things are true. And you have to purposefully choose not to accept reality in order to believe that God made everything in 7 days about 6,000 years ago. That's just one example.
"How thoughtful of God to arrange matters so that, wherever you happen to be born, the local religion always turns out to be the true one." ___________________ BIBLE IS A PRIMITIVE CHILDISH LEGEND The word god A PRODUCT OF HUMAN WEAKNESS ~ ALBERT EINSTEIN
As an agnostic, verging on atheism, I agree with everything this man says! As a young person, I was brought up Catholic, but as soon as I started thinking for myself I realized the hypocrisy of religion!
Statistics show there is no difference with praying christians and the general public with Cancers/ sickness/ fatalities/ car accidents/ divorces/ financial problems/ crimes and incarceration/seperation/ stress/ depression/ etc. You can be a statisic in any category regardless of how much you pray ....So . Quote; "Whatsoever you ask the father in my name ...It shall be given you" Jesus christ. Quote. Well .....no it will not be given you no more than anyone else ... So its healthy to question real truth with facts that cannot be ignored... Its just one of the many contradictions that need to be questioned ....Common scence rational knowledge is important to use ....it keep us from being scammed and decieved as humans especially by religion.
I agree that you can question it. But I doubt if there is any reasonable scientific data collection on this issue. Thirdly, the Church knows that these things happened at the beginning when it was needed to get things going. It is not necessary now. We live in a different world and you can make your conclusion on current state of knowledge. The miracles are not necessary - you have millions of religious people around the world
@@Misael-Hernandez Dan's opponent in most of the video is Kyle Butt and he's terrible. Even the most objective Christian would be appalled at him. So Dan did beat him.
Ask a religious person battling cancer which they would be more willing to put their faith in: a pastor praying for you or medical science. Only pick one!
They have, and many have been coming to prayer for a miracle, and they have received it! It usually goes like this; one gets cancer results through medical screening and chooses to go through chemo or through a medical procedure. Then when all hope is gone through medicine, they rely on prayer. But it's always good to pray.
@@Marc010 we will certainly hear accounts that say they do and that they don't. I listen to a radio app called Relevant Radio that prays the Rosary every day at 5pm PST. And there has been many calls of believers reporting that they are now cancer free. There was one study done at Harvard that concluded that the chances of it helping are like that of a coin toss, but they accept more trials are needed. The point is that God is not a Genie and is not here to have us live perfectly healthy lives. God lowered Himself and died on a cross for us and in this we can see that He understands us in our sufferings.
My neighbor’s wife in her 40’s got cancer, VERY religious folks and they relied on prayer and she died several months later. It has not been pleasant to watch that family disintegrate. Very sad.
If I get all the answers wrong on a test can I get 100% if I just say I answered all the questions. That's how it is with prayer, they say God answers your prayers even when he answers them incorrectly for some reason he gets 100% credit!
You're the one who is being tested. It's foolish to think that one can test God as if He's bound to man, man cannot even make one of his/her hairs white.
@@Misael-Hernandez I can make my hair any colour I want. That's what hair dye is for. However, no imaginary deity can change my hair colour at all. Not even a little. Funny that. Getting old and having my cells fail, sure. But that's all. Why is it that God only challenges good people then? If there was a good god, why are Putin allowed to attack another country and still be healthy and happy and rich? Why is Trump allowed to escape jail when he's a felon? Why is North Korea... why? And don't say the devil, because God literally created evil in this case, and that's not a good answer. It's simpler, and truer to realize that evil exist, because there is no good god, and there is no karma, and there is no justice apart from what we make ourselves. And sadly, money is power, and people will protect their precious money and power. Humans created god. Humans created all gods and goddesses. They're not real. They're nothing but stories to control and manage people.
@@SysterYster it's call an illusion. You can appear to make your hair color look white by coloring it of course. I can tell you are a Democrat and probably have your candidates on a pedestal. You judge everything and everyone but you and your ways. God will certainly judge all, now that's Justice. I'd say this is why good things happen to evil people and bad things to good people HappyEvil=UnhappyGood And God is all Good.
What's more likely... Two thousand years ago a magic man actually turned water water into wine, or a story was invented about a magic man turning water into wine.
@@robinrobyn1714 Stories in old books are evidence of one thing: people can write. If you want me to believe a magic man turned water into wine, or holy-sperm impregnated a virgin 2000 years ago, you need to provide better evidence than a story in a book. I reject these stories because the evidence (a story) is not commensurate with the claim. I reject these stories in the same manner I reject Santa Clause, or Spider Man. I reject these stories in the same manner you reject the fantastical stories in Roman and Greek mythology, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and the many other legends invented my mankind over the centuries.
@@wagsman9999 No you don't reject those stories in the same vein as you reject Santa Claus or Spiderman. You are not pathologically fixated on Santa Claus or Spiderman. Your actions, by being pathologically fixated on God ( that's because God actually Exists), prove this.
Wait so you were an atheist but then starting believing that a rib women had a conversation with a walking and talking snake about a magical fruit that caused your god to destroy everything after she ate it only to need your god to be born as a man to be tortured and killed in order for that same god to not destroy everything again? Please lets hear your rebuttal to that.
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow I respect the perspectives of atheists, but I want to point out that all of our understanding, science, and logic are based on what we can measure and perceive through our senses. However, we know from science that there are spectrums of light and forces like gravity that exist beyond our direct perception. So, to definitively claim there’s no God based on what we can currently observe seems a bit narrow. It might be more accurate to say that, with our current understanding, we don’t perceive a God-but that doesn’t necessarily mean God doesn’t exist in a reality beyond our perception.
@@Horishobu Atheist don’t claim there is no god but rather we don’t believe in any god. For theist who claim there is a god have failed repeatedly throughout history in providing any substantial evidence to prove their particular god existence. When you bring up a possibility that a god exist in a reality beyond our perception, ok sure, but where is your evidence to support that claim? Simply saying something doesn’t make it true.
@@iam604 There are definite branches of atheism. Those who say you merely lack a belief in gods are more aligned with agnostics. There are many others who definitely declare with loud voice "there is no God". They are more of the anti-theist nature. The reality is the concept of the divine is a logical truth similar along the line of morality, ethics, justice, purpose, love, etc.... Each of these are logical truths one is willing to accept to differing degrees. What is morality? Why is one certain activity considered immoral (bad) while another is amoral (of no morality)? Who defines it? What is the objective anchor from which one can derive definitively that murder or theft is "wrong", whereas in the animal world killing another or stealing things like food are as natural as breathing and eating. The truth is there is no objective line of separation, especially if we are only evolved animals and nothing more. In an atheist paradigm morality is nothing more than a logical truth accepted without evidence. It's a "feeling you have in your heart that you know to be true". Sounds exactly like religion, which it is.
@@objectivechristian I would say there are those who call themselves atheist who claim that but then they would have to prove it just as the theist who claim their particular god does exist. But for those that simply do not believe they are by definition atheist. Now you have just made a claim that I hope you have evidence to prove your claim to be true? First prove your god exists logically before diving into morality because that is actually a separate topic all together.
Atheists are in most cases frustrated that God does not answer their questions and cannot explain the reality in which we live. I was the same way, but I think God turned me on the right path...
Wrong. We’re frustrated because you theist continue to fail at proving anything you claim but still claim it to be true. It sounds like you just gave up to reason and chose the land of make believe instead. Good luck with that.
God has a plan. A plan to achieve what goal? Goals are for humans. You lack something, you aim to achieve it, you have a goal. God is everywhere so he does not need to go anywhere. God has everything so he does not need to achieve or gain anything. God knows everything so he doesn't need to find out anything. An omni-everything entity by definition has no lack and therefore cannot have goals and therefore cannot put plans in motion. If we are to believe the God of the Bible then by its very definition it has to be a purposeless entity.
@@Misael-Hernandez I repeat myself: an omni-everything god cannot have a goal, cannot have a plan. "God has a plan for you..."? To do what? To achieve what? What does that god want, wish, will, that he does not already have? What does god wish/want that he does not have? Just complete this sentence: God has a plan for man to ... - Then answer yourself not anyone else, not me. Why? Why does god want that? A plan for man to do what? Why? To achieve what? Why? To go where? Why? There is nothing that the true god wants. We can only want that which we lack. What does god lack? That which lacks something is not a god, is not worthy of worship. And that which has no lack cannot have a goal or a plan. It's simple if we don't complicate it. I hope that realisation frees you as it did me.
@@KamramBehzad it surely doesn't look like you are free of grammatical errors by jumping from one statement to another. For example, you say that God has a plan, and I'm telling you, that's not in the Bible but "God has a plan FOR YOU..." as in for the one doing the reading and or the listening. God has a plan for me to prosper, to save me, to heal me, to defend me, to correct me, to enlighten me, to sustain me, to feed me, to care for me, to love me...
"God" knows everything; that, then must include why it created a parasite that devours the living brain tissue mainly of youngsters in the third world, or why it sits on its arse while 6 million innocent little childen every year before their fifth birthday.
@@Misael-HernandezGod said one shall not suffer a witch to live. Sure seems either you are making excuses to avoid the obvious problem. Bigger issue: there are no witches.
As someone who grows a garden and plants flowers and trees,there is so much diversity and everything in nature is so well designed, there is no way this was all by chance or a spontaneous explosion. There is a creator and thats proof enough for me.
So weeds and other unwanted plants don’t just spontaneously grow in your garden without you planting them? Yeah…you might want to rethink your example.
@@JohnKerr-bq3voEarthquakes are caused by the movement of tectonic plates, which are large blocks of Earth's crust that constantly shift and collide. This process, called plate tectonics, is essential for life on Earth. It: Builds mountains Enrichs soils Regulates the planet's temperature Concentrates gold and other rare metals Maintains the sea's chemical balance Distributes rich sediments from river systems across coastal plains Relieves stress in the planet's outer surface Allows life and landscapes to develop Without earthquakes, the planet would turn into a frozen ball because essential carbon dioxide would dissipate. (Google) It seems like they are necessary, and so it is you who are blind to the truth. What we need is better house designs or stop building in these danger zones, that's our faults.
Over several thousand years us humans have had faith and believed in thousands of gods and goddesses that no one has ever seen. Then they say unicorns don't exist because, no one has ever seen one!
Strange that and omnipotent omniscient God who created this enormous seemingly violent random universe would speak to humanity in Aramaic to a small community of people in the Middle East through the mouth of a so-called prophet who only practiced his craft for 3 years and then was hideously executed. How likely is that?🤔
Very likely, since the prophets before him, with John the Baptist being the greatest and last, spoke of Him. We, pagans, had our own distinct lifestyles etc. but they had the Law given from God, that they themselves could not keep. So God came down to them to fulfill it so that they could be reconciled to Him, but they did not recognize Him and instead hung Him on a cross. But this was all prophesied to begin with because God knows. In other words the wedding feast was ready but the ones invited did not show up, and so servants were sent to invite everyone, us pagans too. The wedding feast will indeed take place.
You mean in the heavily Hellenized region of Judea where most people would have been at least bilingual, if not trilingual with Greek, Latin, and Aramaic, thereby making communication much easier than your reductionist argument allows for? The Greeks paved the way and the Romans put in the infrastructure. The Gospel spread like wildfire in a very short time. That's rather optimal when you think about it.
1:10 "I don't think Jesus existed". An honest historian will tell you that is either an ignorant statement or you are lying. The Bible is the most read and most published book for last 2000 years. You try and write a single story that will stay popular for a thousand year not just in the West, but translated into all the languages by an army of preachers. The story better be so deep and so significant that it is continued to be debated, discussed and studied. Not to mention so many people completely left a wrecked life of porn, alcohol and drugs to become upright and have good families. That same change happens to countless people all over the world who read the Bible. Story of leprechauns or any other popular stories certainly don't have that power. Is ignorant to say God of the Bible is just like leprechauns.
All a historian will honestly tell you is that there is historical evidence that people believed the character Jesus existed but will never be actually able to prove he did. The true ignorance lies within the theist group for continuing to preach it as a real person despite the fact they can’t provide any historical evidence to prove the character existed. It should be noted that I’m not saying a person named Jesus did not exist during the believed time of the story but rather the actual character in the Bible. Being the most published or most read book means only those two things only and not that it’s history or true. Harry Potter Series is the third most read book in the world, so does that make everything in it history or true? So making that statement means nothing for your argument.
@@iam604 You don't say the pope don't exist. Catholic church consider him to be ordained by God, head of the one church live in the Vatican acting in place of Christ etc. These are all claimed characters of the pope, and may not be real. But we say the pope exist. Same with Julius Caesar. He is considered to be a god. We don't believe that, but Caesar exist. It would be dishonest to say pope, Caesar or Jesus don't exist. Most published book only mean one thing. It affects people in a deep way. Nobody try to ascertain if the Bhagavad is real before they do yoga or meditation. You do it, if it helps, you believe it.
@@benmlee We can say people don’t exist but can one prove that to be true is the question and the same applies for one saying that one person did exist. What you have described are believed attributes and not the actual character itself. People believe Santa Claus brings toys to children and flys a sled with reindeer, and yet we know there are no toys for children outside other that that which is provided by parents, family, friends, or donations. But Santa Claus does exist when parents take their children to see him and take pictures. Now is it thee Santa Claus no but it is “a” Santa which is why I made the statement that I’m not saying a person named Jesus did not exist during the believed time of the story. There are people named Jesus living today but can you prove the character in the Bible specifically existed is the question that no theist has ever been able to prove…but it is believed they have.
@Misael-Hernandez Yeah, it's a sad statement of where humans have got to. But mostly in America and the Middle East. If you mention God here, you'll most likely get rolling eyes and lose all credibility.
@@petersiska7510 Except people 2,000 years ago didn't know anything about anything so it would be easier to fool them. These days people are much more skeptical (excepting religious people who will still believe any unsupported nonsense they were brought up with).
@@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew and so you stop there, finish the sentence, please. God has a plan for you to... Prayer is God's way of being near us. Like a father would like to have his children near him. Or what, as a dad would you want your children to not want to talk to you?
@@Misael-Hernandez As a Dad, I openly talk to my children, they can ask me questions and I give them straight answers to the best of my ability. if they visit, I sit and chat with them. If they call me, we have a coherent, two-way dialogue. That’s what a loving Dad would do. If they call me, I don’t stay silent or mumble some incoherent waffle about things that happened thousands of year ago, and leave them to figure out what I was talking about or expect them to get someone else to interpret my waffling. Also, I don’t threaten them with eternal damnation if they don’t agree with me. I love them unconditionally, recognising that they will make some errors in life and that they will disagree with some of my views. If they commit a crime, I will still love them, but I expect them to pay the consequences of their actions in a way that is proportional to a crime that they committed, not a crime that someone else committed.
@@Innesbgood for you, and that's what makes you human. God has billions of children and I'm one of them and He listens to me and encourages me, and exalts me, and guides me, yes, and scolds me also. You inferred that God condemns me or us, no He doesn't, we condemn ourselves like God forbid any of your children do if he/she decides to by choice. Keep learning, you're not alone in life.
Dan Barker is so awesome. He's been there an he understands the rules of the game. I found his book by chance in a thrift shop. I've been atheist since age 17 and do appreciate someone like Dan who has seen the REAL light. I believe Jesus is entirely mythical. It may have begun with an obscure cult "wise man" of some sort but it has the earmarks of myth all over it. And yet here we are 2,000 years later with millions in thrall to this cosmic fairy tale.
Praying for healing does not work. *Telling* people someone prays for them does work. Sometimes for the better, but sometimes for the worse (because people think: my illness must be really bad, because they pray for me!).
The tall guy to Dan's left at the debate, looked somewhat forlorn. Think bubble: "Shit, Dan is making so much sense. I think my best strategy would be to accept I'm wrong, Dan is right and exit stage right."
I was an ordained Baptist Pastor and missionary. Married to my accepting wife for 51 years before she passed. But I am gay, medically proven. But the Baptist Church put me through 13 years of reparative therapy and also electronic shock therapy. But the church told me I am not welcome to even attend church. I never was welcome. I sure wish I had known that as a teenager. Watch my lips, I AM GAY and proud of it. Bye church.
@@KarlDubhe Gay people can medically prove they are gay? That was my question and not about any god that I agree with your point that no one has yet proven existence of. Currently, there is no definitive medical test or procedure that can objectively prove a person’s sexual orientation. So when @ronsmith2241 made the claim that he has been “medically proven” to be gay, I’m asking how.
@@KarlDubhe I never said they didn’t but there is nothing medically proven gay just as there is nothing medically proven that people like the color blue over green.
"There are not many options, -essentially just two. Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second."
Either we commit to studying the process that led to our being here today, or we assert that something like us had to make us the way we are yet that entity did not also need something to make it the way it is.
Not good enough. If one is going to claim a creator exists, one has to show positive evidence, not just "we don't know x, therefore god." The fact that one does not know how something provides no evidence that an invisible magical superbeing was involved.
@@Misael-Hernandez You mean gods. If there wasn’t any GODS then there wouldn’t be any atheists. Which is true. But you foolish made this comment as if that demeans atheists Mr. I can’t prove my claims. It’s okay, stay stuck in your cult and waste your time believing in something no one has proven to be true. You might as well travel to the end of any rainbow for the pot of gold as well. CHECKMATE!
@@Misael-Hernandez You obviously forgot you spoke to me about this and my many responses to it. Check other posts of yours and remember my thoughts about it.
@@gitchygitchyyaya and so are you, so I'll state my evidence; Only my God stands when we consider the amount of time, research, studies and findings that have been made about His existence.
In medical schools, residency or fellowship subspecialty training and in medical practice, prayer is NEVER taught, learned or utilized in the care of hospitalized and critically ill medical and surgical patients. In fact, recently, three large randomized medical studies in respectable journals show that prayer is ineffective. In fact, one group of patients appeared to be harmed by prayer (!). Yes, prayer is totally ineffective in helping sick patients. "God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist" (2008) Victor Stenger Psychologically it represents a recrudescence of the subconsciously repressed mother-infant relationship. Prayer represents crying out to mother! It may be beneficial to the person praying (only) as a form of meditation or mindfulness. It makes the praying person(!) feel better. "The Illusion of God's Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing" (2016) by John C. Wathey
Another former preacher who made money off people, then turns around and doesn't take any of the blame for what he now says would be deceiving them. I have absolutely no respect for this "coming forward" type personality. I'm sure there is some endgame and I would be suspicious of someone who offers no apologies for any deception they caused.
Explaining his error and trying to prevent others from making the same mistake is taking responsibility. I have to question if you actually respect anyone or if you see yourself as a perfect specimen that from which everyone should be compared.
i pretty much agree with all his conclusions. Atheism (and therefore the scientific method) is a great a lens to view unexplainable phenomena. But lots of would-be atheists (myself included) stop short of calling ourselves that because of personal unexplainable experiences that simply can't be ruled out. around 3:40 talking about prayer never working, I think it seems that way because most prayers aren't believed. The person praying is always asking for something that's out of reach and they believe impossible to obtain. I might argue that's why most prayers are never answered. We give a placebo to a subject in a clinical trial, because their BELIEF in having received treatment is so powerful that it has a scientifically measurable effect on the outcome. To me that implies our perception of reality has a material effect, at least biologically. So when someone i trust (or i myself) has a verifiably unexplainable experience, the implications for something beyond our perceived reality are a lot more interesting when you aren't tethered to a narrow belief system. So, yeah.
Brilliant! As an agnostic myself, I like this man's tone, he's not trying to insist "there's nothing supernatural" etc. I do trust in supernatural, but no gods required for it. On the other hand, Japanese call some natural forces (or deities that are not "the-most-of-the-most")-- "gods". Maybe, there's smth you may call gods if you [re]define the meaning of the word. Anyhow, man-made gods (jahweh, allah, whoever) do not exist, and I'm happy about that.
As a friend of an atheist and also one of manipulated religious novice back then.. I understand why some good hearted people turn to atheism.. I too almost did.. and my best friend in States, is an atheist… we misrepresent God to nonbelievers by cheating, lying, manipulating, discriminating, and other hideous things.. I get so lost with guilt when I see people hating God. I just pray for reconciliation..
This equation explains the crisis of Evil HappyEvil= GoodUnhappy It's like the worm never dies for the wicked. They get pleasure in seeing the good suffer but God is their strength because God is Good and Just, enough to give us eternal life and to be with Him by inheritance through Jesus Christ, His only Son our Lord who indeed is all Good.
@@iam604 sure, just have patience with me. No more than 80 years. But if not, we can talk about it. In the meantime try to solve this problem and you shall find Him. Remember, only God is Good. HappyEvil=GoodUnhappy
Josephus did write about Jesus. It is debated whether or not christians added to his writings, but historians agree on the fact that he wrote about him.
Indeed. From a historical perspective there is no other ancient work that comes anywhere near the books that now make up the Bible. Every credible historian accepts as facts the following: There was a man named Jesus about 2000 years ago. He drew large crowds and taught many. His enemies then had him killed by Roman crucifixion and then a few days later the body was missing from the tomb. Many of his followers then claimed to have seen Jesus alive again. They believed it so much they dedicated their lives to the service of teaching it. Even to their own torture and death for that belief. Several of Jesus’ enemies converted after claiming Jesus came to them. How do you explain that? What is the most likely solution?
@@wildcaveman5310 Yes, you are right. I was where this ex-pastor is, but after investigating about Jesus I came to a satisfactory conclusion: He is real. There is plenty of evidence to come to that conclusion, but many people denies it even to a non debatable point. There is so much to discover, to learn and to know about the fascinating story of the Bible, but Jesus is real. Besides all the historical evidence, the impact he has on the lives of the really open hearted people is the greatest evidence.
One of the things that I've personally learned is the simplicity of life with regards to the problem of good and evil that the belief in Jesus brings. Jesus was all Good. Jesus reaffirmed that only God is Good. And this truth helps me understand my weaknesses and shortcomings.
@@wildcaveman5310The most likely solution is that the story of that man may be true but coming back from death is the unproven part. Plus the biblical story accounts for two men named Jesus so now one has to provide evidence of which exact Jesus had this done to them and which didn’t not?
@@iam604 two men named Jesus? That’s not in the Bible. Unless you are accounting for a name variation like Joshua and Jesus. There are a couple of those. But the accounts in the New Testament are very clear there is only one Jesus in the story that really matters. As far as proof for the resurrection we don’t have any video or any modern day forensic evidence. Over 500 eye witnesses though is pretty compelling. Either those witnesses lied and were tortured and killed for that lie or they didn’t lie and spoke the truth till they were torture and killed. They didn’t earn any physical rewards for their efforts. Most lost a large portion if not all of their wealth. They were ridiculed and punished for what they said not idolized and given fame.
The problem with Dan Barker is that he believed in dogma more than religion. When he found out the dogma was wrong, he made the cosmic assumption that all religion must be wrong. The typical "atheist" approach of denying reality based solely on your own misunderstanding of reality. How tragic.
Humanity knows far less than humanity knows. The theory of “Evolution” Doesn’t explain the existence of all life on Earth. The time for humanity to know our creators draws near.
It doesn't claim to explain the existence of life, only the diversity of life Even if we never work out the details of how life came to be that doesn't mean we're justified believing "therefore my goddidit" is the right answer
Deconversion from myself as an individual who's said to have known,met, or seen God and who has come short of the wisdom and knowledge of this Truth in Love, is allowing Him to help me and guide me into becoming who I am truly meant to be, a child of God.
I don’t think all religions are the same . Buddhism which is non theistic. It isn’t supernatural it is based on meditation and meditation is being proven to work by neuroscience.
Thanks for this video, hope it wakes people up that yes you can believe in hope for your individual, for me my opinion is that if the world was created men and beast alike, why animals do not have means for speech and writing, you do not see your dog starting to host sermons in your backyard
Why are billions of people so afraid of simply acknowledging the truth which is we simply don’t know 🤷🏻♂️
Right!
@@nikitakucherov5028 because we are not afraid of the Truth, He knows.
@@Misael-HernandezGen 1:26 tells you otherwise
@@oxybenzol9254 you're way behind, we are a new creation, the old has passed away.
@@Misael-Hernandez according to what verse?
30 years ago I read the Bible straight through from Genesis to Revelation. Infidelity, wars, human sacrifice, sexual assault, torture (Job), massacres... When I finished I thought, "This not how a perfect God would act." Since then I have been an atheist.
God did not do any of those things that you mentioned, that was all caused by humans and Satan.
@@janicecolumbus4917 You freakin nailed it. I found all this out in third grade and saw religion for what it was…just a shitty human interpretation of ‘God’s’ word.
Religion is evil. The supernatural is real.
All I had to do was watch the news for enough years. One day I realized that none of it makes sense if there is a "Benevolent Tyrant in the Sky Who Luvvvvs Us". Later I learned the difference between primacy of existence and primacy of consciousness and why it is so easy for many people to get it wrong way around and assume an Old Man In The Sky waggled "His" fingers and Existence happened.
@@janicecolumbus4917wrong, those are all human actions and consequences of sin.
I think the late, great George Carlin puts it best …
Doesn’t god have some sort of divine plan, what if what’s being prayed for is not in that plan …should god change his plan? And what if prayers aren’t answered, people just say “well it’s god’s will”
If it’s god’s will then why bother praying in the first place?
Hitchens had one also
“The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” - Hitchens
"What's the point of being God if some schmuck with a $2 prayer book can come along and fuk up your plans?"
That’s when I stopped praying!
when God “establishes his eternal plan of ‘predestination,’ he includes in it each person’s free response to his grace” (CCC600)
@@Misael-Hernandez what happens when people's free choices conflict with one another?
I regularly pray to a pair of shoes. Sometimes they grant me my wishes, and sometimes they don't! Mysterious and uknowable are the ways of shoes!
Atheist religion has pagan religious rituals and false prophets and prophesies, exacly like islame has. For example, when a pdf file atheist man wants to become woman, all he does is he prays to prophet richard Dorkins, and then, _instantly_ he becomes biologically born woman. It's a miracle alHAMduli Lah!
The answer you are seeking is: SOCKS.
One Thing you better NEVER do with your shoes around you better not died
@MilitantAntiAtheism if you can round up all atheists (Stalin was an atheist, Dawkins is an atheist, most Buddhist monks are atheists, all the same to you) and make generalizations like that, am I allowed to do the same? Can I assume that all Christians support p*dophile priests? Can I assume tha anyone who praise the Bible also praises genocide, slavery and misoginy as commanded in the book?
God always answers my prayers. Always! He always says no.
And you believe him, 😂 that's actually your head.
@@Misael-Hernandezbro he was joking. He's being facetious.
@@ShepardOfficial I was playing along 👍
@@Misael-Hernandez no you weren't 😂
At least you got an answer...God always ghosted me. Pun intended.
My wonderful dad told me to question everything and not to believe in invisible unknowable entities. He taught me how to learn. I have never been able to fool myself. I have never understood or comprehended why humans believe in fictional beings. I now, at 70, feel wonderfully free of spirit and my free will is immense.
Good.
And there are millions of people like you who do believe in God.
@@Misael-Hernandez Unfortunately, they are all lost.
Yes, you are correct in that God gave you free will. You can accept the Great God Almighty of the Bible or you can reject Him. As for me, give me Jesus.
@@davewalt1781 But if you truly believe in God, then you would know that you actually don't have free will. Remember God is supposedly All Knowing, therefore everything you do would already be known and predetermined. Meaning you have no free will. See how that is just another control tool of religion?
I am an agnostic, and I think there are LOTS of things wrong with humanity. As a species, we have always been callous and cruel to each other, and we have been even worse in regards to other creatures on our planet.
Stating that, I don't think that beliefs in supernatural beings has helped us become any better in this regard. In fact, such beliefs have often _increased_ human callousness and cruelty!
I tend to agree. Religion seems to be frequently used as an excuse for attacking a perceived outgroup, even if the true reason is grabbing land/resources.
The truth is actually the opposite. Christianity will always be attacked for defending the powerless and defenseless. It has a long history of aiding the most vulnerable either in human dignity or human equality. Christianity has been undermined recently by the selfish, egocentric, humanism. When we set God aside like in Communism, we give power to evil.
I strongly agree, and I can show as well as prove the point. Muslims don't want to knock animals for food consumption before slaying them. Religions have always been cruel to each other, all claiming to be the absolute one and slaying all the other religious believers in their respective religions. And many many more.
Agnostic what? one can be an agnostic theist the same as they can be an agnostic atheist
Yeah, but you support killing babies...So what's your point?
Wow, Dan Baker is Brillant. It took me 0ver 15 years to de-program myself from religion I also was a part of the cult Church of Scientology. Ever sense I became an Atheist my life has be better.
Good for you. Good journey.
@@iam604 How can it be, that pdf file atheists believe what atheist religion doctrines say that men can give birth, but then at the same time, they reject what doctrines of islame say that women can be pregnant for ten years?
Both claims are factually wrong. So why believe in one huge lie over another huge lie? Is it because atheists are dishonest? or maybe because they're mentally ill? Or both?
So it is brilliant he was able to explain that out of nothing all the way back billions of years nothing declared it's self something sprung all by itself into You ....wow that takes some faith 🙏
@@Dave28gmail He never claimed nothing sprang anything. That’s what you theist do when asked what created your god. CHECKMATE!
God always answers my prayers in 2 ways.
1. Sometimes he just ghosted me.
2. Sometimes he said "No"
Can you explain, "ghosted me."
@@davewalt1781 The funny thing is that he did answer you. By not replying to your comment.
@KarlDubhe I told her I did not see her comment and I have replied now. I have the bible on my side so there's no reason not for me to reply.
@@davewalt1781 Ghosting someone is ignoring them... So, God ghosts 'us' by not replying to any prayer. Have a good morning.
@@KarlDubhe Thanks Karl for you reply. But are you saying that God doesn't answer any prayers? God has answered many hundreds of my prayers and performed miracles in my life. I have seen many prayers answered in other people and miracles. God has gotten me through 2 major cancers. I consider myself a walking miracle of God. As I look back in my life, I see how God opened and closed doors for me and I am so thankful.
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful“ - Seneca
That’s how Trump manipulates the religious. He can’t even say what scripture is his favorite in interviews, yes a false prophet, a snake oil salesman non believer. Just realized I have something in common with the orange Cheetos man…..we’re both secular.
Excellent quote.
@@BIZZLLENIZZLLE It does not address the truth or falsehood of religion. It just makes a bold, unsupported statement.
We are called to be Spiritual, not religious. spiritual in like the Holy Spirit of God. The one true God in heaven.
@@MichaelLevine-n6y In fact it does. For how can any objective truth be debated as real or not? Here’s an example, whether you believe in gravity or not, you better have a parachute if you are going to jump out of a plane. Because the law of gravity is an objective truth. Religion is only a belief.
It takes strength to admit as a 50 year old that you have been wrong your whole life, and change direction. I know, because I did it.
It also takes guts to admit I was wrong as an atheist, but I did it.
And I'm being shot down by atheists for admitting I was wrong.
It also takes guts to admit I was wrong as an atheist but I did it.
Now I'm being shot down by atheists for admitting I was wrong.
It takes guts to admit I was wrong as an atheist.
But I did it.
And atheists try to knock me down because I admit I was wrong.
@@RandomStuff-i4i I don't believe you were ever an atheist.
@@RandomStuff-i4i Not trying to be rude, but to generalize that all atheists want to knock you down is just as bad.
If you have enough faith, facts don't matter. That is the view of many religious people.i have a personal relationship with reality and facts do matter.
This is reason why Christainity is important, to have relationship with reality, not with delusions. When person remove God ( reality ), than there is only depravation what is left ( living with delusions, with false believe in false gods ).
Facts matter and reality matter, reson why atheism should be treated as mental illness ( very serious delusion, detachment from relaity ).
@@mehowop just accept mortality
Yes, truth doesn't need faith, it stands on its own...its own proof.
@@MrBBaron does that mean that you have had enough faith to where facts didn't mattered to you?
Facts do matter. And we do have enough proof to make it far more believable than any other theory of existence.
Prayer works if you count the hits and ignore the misses
I knew a priest who said: "the people would have abandoned prayer long time ago if it did not work"
That's why it works because it never misses.
@@Misael-Hernandez According to a Harvard study prayer is only as reliable as a coin toss
@@nobs997 lol, Harvard reminds me of Jesus hometown of Nazareth. Prayers work 100% for people with faith, and are not a magical formula or bound by science. The reason I say it works 100 % is because God is all knowing, so He knows even before we ask. When we pray we don't ask for signs of wonder or proof, but prayer is a way of maintaining our relationship with the Creator, our Creator. So, if and when I pray, God hears me.
@@Misael-Hernandez Have enough prayers not been said for children with cancer all over the world? Why is the most merciful and almighty God not doing anything?
These are some of the exact issues i had as a former christian. Nailed it to the tee
Nailed it! I see what you did there! ;o)
I had an issue with my mom when I was a kid
She always said No.
I thought she hated me.
@@davidcattin7006😂😂😂😂
I was born again... When I embraced reality and set free by all that toxic religious shame. I'm agnostic and I CAN FINALLY BREATHE.
you are too hasty and there was something wrong with your faith. You live in a sin and guilt.
@MrSlovanprofessor yes we are all hasty when all we believed in is crap, all you religious humans do is talk nonsense, we like evidence, if there were any, there would not be tens of religions while all believers in them say this is the right one.
You're like the happy lamb screaming "I'm free! I'm free!" after escaping the sheep hold.
@naborukharat198 the nerv that bumhole had to call me sinful as if he knows me or as if he is a judge. So much for having the holy spirit within you crap. Even when I was a believer I didn't say such nasty things to anyone.
@@MrSlovanprofessor go check yourself. Something is fundamentally wrong with your brain.
Jesus: knock knock
Me: who's there?
Jesus: it's me Jesus Christ I'm here to save you!
Me: save me from what?
Jesus: what's going to happen to you if you don't open this door!!!
Another good one I heard a long time ago
A Christian missionary goes to an island in the Pacific to bring the word of GOD to uncontacted tribes. The first man he meets he asks
Have you heard the word of the God of the Universe?
The man replies No.
The misiionary tells the man about the Bible and tells him that if he doesn't accept the GOD then he will not have ever lasting life and worse you will burn in hell for eternety. The man asks, So all my ancesters and friends who have died are in this Hell the GOD sends you to? The missionary pauses and says, Well no if you haven't heard the word of GOD you will be forgiven and allowed to enter Heaven. The Island man looks puzzled and says well then why did you tell me.
@@bobbertknokno4090 I have often pondered this as a serious question; if you don’t know that Jesus is alleged to have existed (and ‘why’), how could you be saved? And if someone then told you about Jesus, have they effectively condemned you to hell if you don’t believe their story. Is there are Christian reading this who can answer this for us?
@@Innesbyes, it's called ignorance. To whom much is given, much will be required of him.
@@InnesbI'm an agnostic theist now but was raised a Christian.
It's very clear that belief is mandatory for those who have heard the "good news" (John 3:18).
When Christians reach for the excuse to explain why so many humans who have never heard of Jesus, will not perish, is because it is illogical and dishonest to be held to the specific testimony of others. By the test of belief failing to reach so many, there is a 2 tiered testing ground: one dishonestly based on belief and one where the Christian God failed to get His word across and consequently not hold everyone equally accountable.
The discrepancy is an illustration that it is all made up.
@@fredbmurphy Jesus came to his own, and they rejected Him. That's why the Good News is preached to all mankind. In other words, the wedding feast was set and ready to go on, but the ones invited did not show up, therefore servants were sent to invite all. All this reality has been pointed out but later discovered by you. Not everyone can understand and maybe you since you were taught. But to blame the Potter for having created pots of different colors and likes is understandable only that we are still the created and not the Creator. Many wish it was to the contrary but reality is not so.
♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
♦"Only fools revere the myths just bc a book claims itself to be the holy truth."
♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt."
♦"The religious believe by the millions what lunatics could believe on their own."
♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
you are delusional
Religiously pasting your comments is noted.
your discussion points are not working well
@@petersiska7510
They are not discussion points; They are facts.
@@AtamMardes no kidding. They can be if you smoke too much weed
At first I that this was Dennis hopper. Hahaha. Definitely going to search for more content from Mr.Barker. Such a well organized and well spoken presenter
Many thanks to Dan and George Carlin for presenting the counter arguments against belief in gods.
I'm still rooting out the last remnants of the religious programming I received as a child 50 years ago.
why do not you shut up or if you are so obsessed with God why do not you become a priest?
it's disgusting isn't it? that programming seeps way down to your bones. Not saying this would help everyone, but for me, taking a minor interest in classical reasoning (recognizing standard logical fallacies, etc.) and critical thinking is what really helped me distance myself from that programming. it's amazing how many things humans just accept as true that can't even pass a very simple smell test.
@@JamesRichardWiley INCORRECT
The Problem Atheists have is,
They Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it
God is simply the Existence of Love
we all acknowledge.
Everybody Believes Love exists
Simple. But infinite in Power and Expression.
To ignore the Reality of that
Is not only Unfortunate
It’s Shameful
@@damianedwards8827
Utter bullshit. Atheists UNCOMPLICATE it, You're an idiot if you think religious people think of religion as simply the existence of love. They BELIEVE a sky daddy exist & OVER COMPLICATE it by trying to explain it as reality.
Definitely great arguments.
I became an atheist because when I actually heard a coherent argument about whether a god or gods exist I came away with the position that at the moment, it appears they don’t. Criticism of religions came afterwards, not before.
If you can be a good person without the bible, you ARE a good person.
If you need the bible to be a good person, you'll never be good.
Wrong !!! Nothing stable in the world. People are changing. A criminal can transform a good person. A good person can easily become a criminal. All depend on circumstances surrounding you. And even more, it depends on your inner spiritual preparedness to stand against the evil things. The Bible is all about this.
@@kenlyneham4105 no one is good but God alone, therefore we need God to be good.
@@Misael-Hernandez you underestimate the capability of humans to empathize and feel for other people, some people genuinely do good things for other people.. Not for skydaddy
@@vahansargsyan5551 Didn't God create this world to test us? Couldn't he have made this perfect instead of making everyone suffer THE WAY WE DO? Didn't He KNOW how well each of us would handle the challenges he used to test us? Didn't he intend Adam and Eve to live in the Garden of Eden? Wasn't he disappointed when they failed His test? Didn't he then change our world to include death, pain and suffering? All along God knew what was going to happen... right? And YOU BELIEVE THE HEAVEN YOU SEEK WILL BE PERFECT. Don't you see how insane your God is? Don't think beyond what is fed to you.
So a baby who dies 10 minutes after being born is bad? You and your God are EVIL. Your God created Evil. Isaiah 45:7
I did read that prayer does have an effect. A church member, ill in hospital, if told the whole congregation is praying for his recovery, will have a worse outcome, possibly due to expectation.
Nice profile picture!
You hit the nail on the head. The whole religious edifice rest on convincing men/women that they are basically corrupt from birth. Without that, even the fear of death will vaporize. No god, no judgement, nothing to fear at death.
You have a doctor's check up coming soon, I'll pray for you. 😊
@@ironshoes1720it was a legit experiment- not anecdotal
Meditation similar for atheists
For me God died when I was 6 or 7 and He/She/It hasn't resurrected since! We need to free ourselves from Disneyland-Mickey Mouse-style spirituality.
But you have to admit that for billions of people this is the truest truth. They live for it and there is no way they will start questioning it because for them godless life has no meaning.
We just have to accept it no matter how ridiculous it seems to us.
Yes, and the rest keep seeking to rationalize past experiences, present situations, and future endeavors only to peak at how the rest of society is doing to satisfy your present state, meaningless.
It's amazing when atheists have terminally ill family members, they ask certain people in private to pray for those people knowing they will.
It's happened to me several times with atheists.
I'll take The Magic Kingdom, anyday.
I agree lady.
I’ve always been the type to question things, and most of the time, the questions were encouraged… but if have religious questions…. “Because it’s written in the book, that’s why”
@3:29 “Nothing fails like prayer!” Hahaha 😉🤣😝😜🤪
Prayer only works if it aligns with "god's will". So no free will, why bother.
Not a consistent claim, you'd have to measure or swim the tiber to understand God's will. It's like when Jesus stopped by His hometown and almost everyone doubted Him and so therefore He couldn't make many miracles there, though He did heal a few here and there.
@@Misael-Hernandez Jesus didn't heal anyone. Their belief in healing restored them. That is faith--- not religion
@@kenpyle1716 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. ( Mk 6: 5) He actually did heal a few. Of course faith is a part of the whole process of healing and miracles. If the sick had believed in healing I'm sure they didn't need Jesus then. If people don't need religion then Jesus wouldn't have left us His Church.
@@Misael-Hernandez that was his whole point: your own faith, belief in healing is what heals you. Not magic or miracles. It's in you
@@kenpyle1716 no, not their faith on healing, but their faith on God who can do the healing and this time through Jesus who is God.
When he was just a tot, our youngest was very seriously ill with encephalitis, we were terrified we'd lose him. Did I pray? of course not, I'm atheist and NOT hypocrite. Thankfully he made a full recovery.
No doubt if I'd been a believer, I'd be thanking "god" for saving him.
it is your choice and your rational reasoning is not wrong but it does not disapprove that prayer can work
@@petersiska7510 yes it’s my choice, where was “god’ when my mother was killed with 18 month old me in her arms when a truck ran into our motorbike and sidecar as dad was helping out the traffic, why does “god” sit on its fat arse watching six million innocent children die every year from preventable conditions. If this “god” you’re so fecking terrified of was real it would be the most vile, cruel, immoral entity imaginable. Good job it is imaginary.
@@petersiska7510 So it’s just tough luck on the six million innocent children who die every year (WHO) figures from preventable conditions is it?
@petersiska7510 Enjoy your delusion, ease off on the mushrooms in future.
@@jackthebassman1 you are not making sense. I did not make any conclusion or statement but I doubt if prayer can do any damage - just like any poetry, lyric or song. On contrary, those who like it will enjoy themselves and receive healing. Is that so difficult to understand? I am only observing. Have you had your parents or grandparents praying?
God answered my prayers and healed me many times when i prayed
I was sick for about 18 years with epilepsy. I prayed and read the Bible daily, and I was healed.
Why did it take God 18 years to heal you? He's almighty, right? Why didn't he do it in 18 seconds?
@Whiffinger1 I was denying God like atheists do. However some Sundays I saw on TV these seemingly foolish people declaring their God does heal. They weren't directly speaking to me hut I overheard them. I was resolute to try this thing of theirs. It worked. 14 years now.
@@howtoobeygod4384So why did God inflict you with epilepsy for 14 years? God hates you? Why didn't God just prevent you from getting epilepsy 14 years ago?
We need to protect this man at all cost, he is valuable to us atheists. Such an atheistic legend.
I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to make me behave.
A religious band just died in a plane crash...guess they were needed upstairs.
😊
Maybe to make a miracle out of you.
At least they're not worthless atheists..lol..
Yes I saw that, a gospel group.
And I noted that interviewed surviving family members were praying for them.
Religion is a curious business isn't it?
@@Whatzzzz999 Atheism is a mental instability, isn't it?
I had the good fortune to have lunch with Dan Barker at a 1989 FFRF convention.
WHAT an opportunity!!--"Did this universe of heat violate thermodynamics
by beginning or being eternal?" Einstein said thermodynamics would "never
be overthrown". But it disallows origin of heat and demands distribution to
wave only if eternal. Science has absolutely no theory that confronts that contradiction, without originating or being eternal (not having distributed proscribes eternal).
Barker invokes Evolution. "3rd day to 6th day" envelopes Genesis' creation
of life: 66.6%. "Plant seed to human"; is inviolately ascending. But the "4th"
day distinguished plant life as non-sacred in contradistinction to animal..
and originated "holy events". Defining life as distinct, plant from animal
as Genesis does, leaves a "creation of life" periodicity of only 5th & 6th "days":
33.3% of the Genesis creation period. 4.2 billion years is 30.47% of 13.78
billion years: life's known existence and the existence of the universe.
Darwin guessed life existed for 100 million years. He missed by a factor of
x42....4,200%. Genesis missed by 2.83%. Hey Barker...READ SOMETHING!!
The "Dawkins" claim for scientific empiricism is a categorical, provable lie.
This universe can not exist according to the Laws of Thermodynamics.
The Genesis account enunciates life's origin as "the land brought forth seed
bearing plants and seed bearing trees". WHICH CAME FIRST: the plant or seed?!?
IT'S A KOAN!! WHY did the land bring forth life and not purple God smoke???
IRRESPECTIVE---IT'S THE WAY WE KNOW LIFE GENERATES TODAY!!
GREAT guessing "Genesis"!!
I met Dan in 2017 at a talk at Morehead State University. He signed his book Free Will for me.
You have not fortune to find God... but let's be honests you are the worst generetion and when you Goddenier will disappeared with your empty cult called atheism, none will even remember you or regret you are gone.
I love this. I love it when people take their whole mind back. ☮️💟
1st-time view on this channel, nicely done.
When I walked away from atheism and became a Christian ( about the same time that Dan did the opposite) the parable of the prodigal son was not just a fable, it was a reality that was taking place in my own life. 40 years later, the loving embrace of the Father I rejected still holds me, and none of Dan's arguments can persuade me to leave it again.
Well, it’s never too late to get out…
And we can be as sure as sure can be that emotional need got the better of you. You've joined the ranks of those who will self-deceive for the sake of a comforting story.
You said it best, '' none of dan's arguments can persuade me to leave it again ''.
@@jerrylanglois7892 that’s a great point. How awful is it to say I will never change my mind about something despite good arguments and the presentation of evidence. Some people are just so lost.
Yup - it is about your NEED to believe, not any rational thought process. It's your own frail psychology. You believe you are inadequate. You need an imaginary caretaker to face the world. You just proved Dan's point.
There are people who are just afraid of reality. They need to feel as if there is some guiding hand in control of things, because the idea of a world in chaos causes them much anxiety and makes them question what the point of their lives are.
People like feeling hope. They like feeling as if they know what is going on around them. They like feeling as if they are part of a group that knows more than "the lost". The idea of going to a heaven and rejoining loved ones provides comfort.
And normally I would be just fine with people believing what they want to believe. It doesn't matter as long as they're not hurting anyone. But some people do hurt others. They use their faith as a way to be superior to others, to judge them, to hate them.... And that is where I draw the line.
Let me ask you:
Doesn’t the reality of life scare you sometimes? Doesn’t t the chaos you see day to day in the world cause much anxiety in you?do you not want to feel hope? Do you not want to have a guiding hand?
@@unworthyservant I answer yes to all those questions, at times more or less than others.
But I won't give in to some fantasy delusion, abandoning all reason and ignoring the things I have learned and can plainly see, just so I can believe in nonsense and have those warm feelings.
@@mstrainjrwhat have you learned that stops you from believing that the feelings you get are your heart, mind and or soul yearning for God, Truth, or hope?
@@mstrainjr thanks for your candor. It does seem though that you dramatize the Christian religion as you say that Christians abandon all reason. That’s quite insulting.
I would dare say that we are very reasonable in that we don’t lie to ourselves or jump through mental hoops to prove that we are good people. We readily accept that fact.
Are you reasonable enough to accept that you may not be a good person?
@@unworthyservant When someone called Jesus " Good teacher", he corrected them by saying that no one is good except one: God.
But what is good and what is bad depends on one's point of view. Is it good for a pastor to use his position of power over his congregation to influence them to believe things that directly violate things that can easily be proven? To convince the sheep under him to turn a blind eye to what is clearly evident?
For example, the idea behind the Big bang is that everything in the universe is moving away from one central point. So if you were to reverse time, you would see everything in this universe come together in one single point.
Also, the speed of light is known. The fact that we can see an object in space 13 billion light years away from us means that it took at least that long for the light to leave that galaxy and reach our eyes. So the universe itself is more than 6,000 years old; it's older than even 6 MILLION years.
These things are true. And you have to purposefully choose not to accept reality in order to believe that God made everything in 7 days about 6,000 years ago.
That's just one example.
"How thoughtful of God to arrange matters so that, wherever you happen to be born, the local religion always turns out to be the true one."
___________________
BIBLE IS A
PRIMITIVE CHILDISH LEGEND
The word god
A PRODUCT OF HUMAN WEAKNESS
~ ALBERT EINSTEIN
As an agnostic, verging on atheism, I agree with everything this man says! As a young person, I was brought up Catholic, but as soon as I started thinking for myself I realized the hypocrisy of religion!
It makes sense, one either becomes lukewarm or cold after skipping Church for so long.
Statistics show there is no difference with praying christians and the general public with
Cancers/ sickness/ fatalities/ car accidents/ divorces/ financial problems/ crimes and incarceration/seperation/ stress/ depression/ etc.
You can be a statisic in any category regardless of how much you pray ....So .
Quote;
"Whatsoever you ask the father in my name ...It shall be given you"
Jesus christ. Quote.
Well .....no it will not be given you no more than anyone else ...
So its healthy to question real truth with facts that cannot be ignored...
Its just one of the many contradictions that need to be questioned ....Common scence rational knowledge is important to use ....it keep us from being scammed and decieved as humans especially by religion.
Calvinism.
You made a claim that you yourself agreed to but did not prove to give you the go ahead to claim further, delusional.
I agree that you can question it. But I doubt if there is any reasonable scientific data collection on this issue. Thirdly, the Church knows that these things happened at the beginning when it was needed to get things going. It is not necessary now. We live in a different world and you can make your conclusion on current state of knowledge. The miracles are not necessary - you have millions of religious people around the world
All idiots
@@Misael-HernandezGod isnt real.
Prayer is a fancy term for talking to yourself.
I lived among Mormons for many years and educated myself to the point of being an atheist.
So your atheism was influenced by them.
The Mormon religion is definitely a Cult. If you believe that Joseph Smith dug up the Golden Plates somewhere in New York then you need mental health
Very compelling.
Even more so after the next debater gets his turn.
Love it gonna use it " it's just words no arguments"
Barker is a force to be reckoned with.
Until he gets rebutted later in the actual debate.
@@Misael-Hernandez
Rebutted about what?
The fact the bible is man made immoral nonsense?
@@Misael-Hernandez I've never seen him lose an argument, I have seen him shock his opponent into awe and speechlessness.
Baker is a naive atheist
@@Misael-Hernandez Dan's opponent in most of the video is Kyle Butt and he's terrible. Even the most objective Christian would be appalled at him. So Dan did beat him.
Ask a religious person battling cancer which they would be more willing to put their faith in: a pastor praying for you or medical science. Only pick one!
They have, and many have been coming to prayer for a miracle, and they have received it!
It usually goes like this; one gets cancer results through medical screening and chooses to go through chemo or through a medical procedure. Then when all hope is gone through medicine, they rely on prayer. But it's always good to pray.
@@Misael-Hernandez I'm not saying it hurts, especially with the fear, but it would be hard to measure how it helps.
@@Marc010 we will certainly hear accounts that say they do and that they don't. I listen to a radio app called Relevant Radio that prays the Rosary every day at 5pm PST. And there has been many calls of believers reporting that they are now cancer free. There was one study done at Harvard that concluded that the chances of it helping are like that of a coin toss, but they accept more trials are needed. The point is that God is not a Genie and is not here to have us live perfectly healthy lives. God lowered Himself and died on a cross for us and in this we can see that He understands us in our sufferings.
My neighbor’s wife in her 40’s got cancer, VERY religious folks and they relied on prayer and she died several months later. It has not been pleasant to watch that family disintegrate. Very sad.
@@joeyoungs8426 I hope you had the opportunity to share with her and she with you. Many of us can relate.
If I get all the answers wrong on a test can I get 100% if I just say I answered all the questions. That's how it is with prayer, they say God answers your prayers even when he answers them incorrectly for some reason he gets 100% credit!
You're the one who is being tested. It's foolish to think that one can test God as if He's bound to man, man cannot even make one of his/her hairs white.
@@Misael-Hernandez I can make my hair any colour I want. That's what hair dye is for. However, no imaginary deity can change my hair colour at all. Not even a little. Funny that. Getting old and having my cells fail, sure. But that's all. Why is it that God only challenges good people then? If there was a good god, why are Putin allowed to attack another country and still be healthy and happy and rich? Why is Trump allowed to escape jail when he's a felon? Why is North Korea... why? And don't say the devil, because God literally created evil in this case, and that's not a good answer. It's simpler, and truer to realize that evil exist, because there is no good god, and there is no karma, and there is no justice apart from what we make ourselves. And sadly, money is power, and people will protect their precious money and power. Humans created god. Humans created all gods and goddesses. They're not real. They're nothing but stories to control and manage people.
@@SysterYster it's call an illusion. You can appear to make your hair color look white by coloring it of course. I can tell you are a Democrat and probably have your candidates on a pedestal. You judge everything and everyone but you and your ways. God will certainly judge all, now that's Justice. I'd say this is why good things happen to evil people and bad things to good people
HappyEvil=UnhappyGood
And God is all Good.
What's more likely... Two thousand years ago a magic man actually turned water water into wine, or a story was invented about a magic man turning water into wine.
@@wagsman9999 What's more likely is that all atheists are pathologically fixated on something that doesn't exist according to them.
Don’t you need water to make wine in the first place?
@@wagsman9999 What's more likely is - Dan Barker was clueless and Jesus Christ existed and did everything that the Bible says about him.
@@robinrobyn1714 Stories in old books are evidence of one thing: people can write.
If you want me to believe a magic man turned water into wine, or holy-sperm impregnated a virgin 2000 years ago, you need to provide better evidence than a story in a book. I reject these stories because the evidence (a story) is not commensurate with the claim. I reject these stories in the same manner I reject Santa Clause, or Spider Man. I reject these stories in the same manner you reject the fantastical stories in Roman and Greek mythology, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and the many other legends invented my mankind over the centuries.
@@wagsman9999 No you don't reject those stories in the same vein as you reject Santa Claus or Spiderman. You are not pathologically fixated on Santa Claus or Spiderman. Your actions, by being pathologically fixated on God ( that's because God actually Exists), prove this.
Well said from 00:00 to 10:35
Maybe 5%? That's being very generous.
Of scientists who are atheists
very generous
😂😂😂
5 trillionths of a percent
What’s the percentage of evolution happening again? It’s so low it’s considered statistically impossible.
I was atheist and became a Christian! I watched the video and I didn’t find any argument I felt like I couldn’t refute.
Wait so you were an atheist but then starting believing that a rib women had a conversation with a walking and talking snake about a magical fruit that caused your god to destroy everything after she ate it only to need your god to be born as a man to be tortured and killed in order for that same god to not destroy everything again? Please lets hear your rebuttal to that.
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow
I respect the perspectives of atheists, but I want to point out that all of our understanding, science, and logic are based on what we can measure and perceive through our senses. However, we know from science that there are spectrums of light and forces like gravity that exist beyond our direct perception. So, to definitively claim there’s no God based on what we can currently observe seems a bit narrow. It might be more accurate to say that, with our current understanding, we don’t perceive a God-but that doesn’t necessarily mean God doesn’t exist in a reality beyond our perception.
@@Horishobu Atheist don’t claim there is no god but rather we don’t believe in any god. For theist who claim there is a god have failed repeatedly throughout history in providing any substantial evidence to prove their particular god existence. When you bring up a possibility that a god exist in a reality beyond our perception, ok sure, but where is your evidence to support that claim? Simply saying something doesn’t make it true.
@@iam604 There are definite branches of atheism. Those who say you merely lack a belief in gods are more aligned with agnostics. There are many others who definitely declare with loud voice "there is no God". They are more of the anti-theist nature. The reality is the concept of the divine is a logical truth similar along the line of morality, ethics, justice, purpose, love, etc....
Each of these are logical truths one is willing to accept to differing degrees. What is morality? Why is one certain activity considered immoral (bad) while another is amoral (of no morality)? Who defines it? What is the objective anchor from which one can derive definitively that murder or theft is "wrong", whereas in the animal world killing another or stealing things like food are as natural as breathing and eating. The truth is there is no objective line of separation, especially if we are only evolved animals and nothing more.
In an atheist paradigm morality is nothing more than a logical truth accepted without evidence. It's a "feeling you have in your heart that you know to be true".
Sounds exactly like religion, which it is.
@@objectivechristian I would say there are those who call themselves atheist who claim that but then they would have to prove it just as the theist who claim their particular god does exist. But for those that simply do not believe they are by definition atheist. Now you have just made a claim that I hope you have evidence to prove your claim to be true?
First prove your god exists logically before diving into morality because that is actually a separate topic all together.
Atheists are in most cases frustrated that God does not answer their questions and cannot explain the reality in which we live. I was the same way, but I think God turned me on the right path...
Wrong. We’re frustrated because you theist continue to fail at proving anything you claim but still claim it to be true. It sounds like you just gave up to reason and chose the land of make believe instead. Good luck with that.
Great video. Dan is a great orator which helps. The greatest fallacy of religion is that you need to be religious to be good
What is good? How do you know it's good?
I loved Joe Dan Baker in Mitchell! I had no clue he was a preacher too!
God has a plan. A plan to achieve what goal? Goals are for humans. You lack something, you aim to achieve it, you have a goal. God is everywhere so he does not need to go anywhere. God has everything so he does not need to achieve or gain anything. God knows everything so he doesn't need to find out anything. An omni-everything entity by definition has no lack and therefore cannot have goals and therefore cannot put plans in motion. If we are to believe the God of the Bible then by its very definition it has to be a purposeless entity.
@@KamramBehzad that's not even Biblical, the real Bible verses go in this line "God has a plan for you..."
@@Misael-Hernandez I repeat myself: an omni-everything god cannot have a goal, cannot have a plan. "God has a plan for you..."? To do what? To achieve what? What does that god want, wish, will, that he does not already have? What does god wish/want that he does not have? Just complete this sentence: God has a plan for man to ... - Then answer yourself not anyone else, not me. Why? Why does god want that? A plan for man to do what? Why? To achieve what? Why? To go where? Why? There is nothing that the true god wants. We can only want that which we lack. What does god lack? That which lacks something is not a god, is not worthy of worship. And that which has no lack cannot have a goal or a plan. It's simple if we don't complicate it.
I hope that realisation frees you as it did me.
@@KamramBehzad it surely doesn't look like you are free of grammatical errors by jumping from one statement to another. For example, you say that God has a plan, and I'm telling you, that's not in the Bible but "God has a plan FOR YOU..." as in for the one doing the reading and or the listening. God has a plan for me to prosper, to save me, to heal me, to defend me, to correct me, to enlighten me, to sustain me, to feed me, to care for me, to love me...
"God" knows everything; that, then must include why it created a parasite that devours the living brain tissue mainly of youngsters in the third world, or why it sits on its arse while 6 million innocent little childen every year before their fifth birthday.
Very well-put.
To any Christian on this thread. Why did you stop burning witches? Just curious.
Because we saw that it was not a good way to seek justice since it gave those in power, regardless of creed, the power to seek justice outside of God.
@@Misael-HernandezGod said one shall not suffer a witch to live. Sure seems either you are making excuses to avoid the obvious problem.
Bigger issue: there are no witches.
@@TheBeingRealso why did we stop burning witches according to you?
@@Misael-Hernandez🤦♀️
@@danielaorellana8216 right? The good thing is to learn from our mistakes and do what is good.
As someone who grows a garden and plants flowers and trees,there is so much diversity and everything in nature is so well designed, there is no way this was all by chance or a spontaneous explosion. There is a creator and thats proof enough for me.
So weeds and other unwanted plants don’t just spontaneously grow in your garden without you planting them? Yeah…you might want to rethink your example.
heard of earthquakes and tsunami's that kill thousands of people?... well designed my ass.. wake up for goodness sake...
@@JohnKerr-bq3voEarthquakes are caused by the movement of tectonic plates, which are large blocks of Earth's crust that constantly shift and collide. This process, called plate tectonics, is essential for life on Earth. It:
Builds mountains
Enrichs soils
Regulates the planet's temperature
Concentrates gold and other rare metals
Maintains the sea's chemical balance
Distributes rich sediments from river systems across coastal plains
Relieves stress in the planet's outer surface
Allows life and landscapes to develop
Without earthquakes, the planet would turn into a frozen ball because essential carbon dioxide would dissipate. (Google)
It seems like they are necessary, and so it is you who are blind to the truth. What we need is better house designs or stop building in these danger zones, that's our faults.
@@iam604 that's a good example of Good vs Evil, humanity.
Humans can be summed up into two categories, those who where believers turned disbelievers, and those who where disbelievers turned believers.
Over several thousand years us humans have had faith and believed in thousands of gods and goddesses that no one has ever seen.
Then they say unicorns don't exist because, no one has ever seen one!
God typically only answers prayers that are medically possible ... he doesn't usually regrow limbs
Regaining sight would be of more importance, don't you think? And many have. Cancer miracles occur often times.
@@Misael-Hernandez Nope. No, they don't. Why not limbs? Why only things that are medically possible?
@@mrsatire9475
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda#:~:text=The%20Miracle%20of%20Calanda%20is,and%20a%20half%20years%20earlier.
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Hey ! Yeah, NO!!
Enter into the Light, accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and enter into heaven.
@@davewalt1781
Tell Dan Barker that.
Tell Matt D that.
@@RandomStuff-i4i I would love to tell them in person.
Strange that and omnipotent omniscient God who created this enormous seemingly violent random universe would speak to humanity in Aramaic to a small community of people in the Middle East through the mouth of a so-called prophet who only practiced his craft for 3 years and then was hideously executed. How likely is that?🤔
Very likely, since the prophets before him, with John the Baptist being the greatest and last, spoke of Him.
We, pagans, had our own distinct lifestyles etc. but they had the Law given from God, that they themselves could not keep. So God came down to them to fulfill it so that they could be reconciled to Him, but they did not recognize Him and instead hung Him on a cross. But this was all prophesied to begin with because God knows. In other words the wedding feast was ready but the ones invited did not show up, and so servants were sent to invite everyone, us pagans too. The wedding feast will indeed take place.
You mean in the heavily Hellenized region of Judea where most people would have been at least bilingual, if not trilingual with Greek, Latin, and Aramaic, thereby making communication much easier than your reductionist argument allows for? The Greeks paved the way and the Romans put in the infrastructure. The Gospel spread like wildfire in a very short time. That's rather optimal when you think about it.
Thx 4 sharing ❤
Thanks for watching!
Awesome channel
Thank you!
1:10 "I don't think Jesus existed". An honest historian will tell you that is either an ignorant statement or you are lying.
The Bible is the most read and most published book for last 2000 years. You try and write a single story that will stay popular for a thousand year not just in the West, but translated into all the languages by an army of preachers. The story better be so deep and so significant that it is continued to be debated, discussed and studied. Not to mention so many people completely left a wrecked life of porn, alcohol and drugs to become upright and have good families. That same change happens to countless people all over the world who read the Bible. Story of leprechauns or any other popular stories certainly don't have that power. Is ignorant to say God of the Bible is just like leprechauns.
I thought he was a Mythicist from the getgo.
All a historian will honestly tell you is that there is historical evidence that people believed the character Jesus existed but will never be actually able to prove he did. The true ignorance lies within the theist group for continuing to preach it as a real person despite the fact they can’t provide any historical evidence to prove the character existed. It should be noted that I’m not saying a person named Jesus did not exist during the believed time of the story but rather the actual character in the Bible.
Being the most published or most read book means only those two things only and not that it’s history or true. Harry Potter Series is the third most read book in the world, so does that make everything in it history or true? So making that statement means nothing for your argument.
@@iam604 You don't say the pope don't exist. Catholic church consider him to be ordained by God, head of the one church live in the Vatican acting in place of Christ etc. These are all claimed characters of the pope, and may not be real. But we say the pope exist. Same with Julius Caesar. He is considered to be a god. We don't believe that, but Caesar exist. It would be dishonest to say pope, Caesar or Jesus don't exist.
Most published book only mean one thing. It affects people in a deep way. Nobody try to ascertain if the Bhagavad is real before they do yoga or meditation. You do it, if it helps, you believe it.
@@benmlee We can say people don’t exist but can one prove that to be true is the question and the same applies for one saying that one person did exist. What you have described are believed attributes and not the actual character itself. People believe Santa Claus brings toys to children and flys a sled with reindeer, and yet we know there are no toys for children outside other that that which is provided by parents, family, friends, or donations. But Santa Claus does exist when parents take their children to see him and take pictures. Now is it thee Santa Claus no but it is “a” Santa which is why I made the statement that I’m not saying a person named Jesus did not exist during the believed time of the story. There are people named Jesus living today but can you prove the character in the Bible specifically existed is the question that no theist has ever been able to prove…but it is believed they have.
*_How hard would it be for a good magician to convince peasants from 2,000 years ago that he was a god? EASY!_*
@@warren52nz you don't need to go that far, the world has actually gone pagan and now everyone of them believes in being a god.
@Misael-Hernandez Yeah, it's a sad statement of where humans have got to. But mostly in America and the Middle East. If you mention God here, you'll most likely get rolling eyes and lose all credibility.
They believed in witches a few years ago so yes, very easy, because it happened
it would be the same like today
@@petersiska7510 Except people 2,000 years ago didn't know anything about anything so it would be easier to fool them. These days people are much more skeptical (excepting religious people who will still believe any unsupported nonsense they were brought up with).
Prayer for what ? God already has a plan for us all as it says in the bible ..does it not ?
@@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew and so you stop there, finish the sentence, please. God has a plan for you to...
Prayer is God's way of being near us. Like a father would like to have his children near him. Or what, as a dad would you want your children to not want to talk to you?
@@Misael-Hernandez As a Dad, I openly talk to my children, they can ask me questions and I give them straight answers to the best of my ability. if they visit, I sit and chat with them. If they call me, we have a coherent, two-way dialogue. That’s what a loving Dad would do. If they call me, I don’t stay silent or mumble some incoherent waffle about things that happened thousands of year ago, and leave them to figure out what I was talking about or expect them to get someone else to interpret my waffling. Also, I don’t threaten them with eternal damnation if they don’t agree with me. I love them unconditionally, recognising that they will make some errors in life and that they will disagree with some of my views. If they commit a crime, I will still love them, but I expect them to pay the consequences of their actions in a way that is proportional to a crime that they committed, not a crime that someone else committed.
@@Innesbgood for you, and that's what makes you human. God has billions of children and I'm one of them and He listens to me and encourages me, and exalts me, and guides me, yes, and scolds me also. You inferred that God condemns me or us, no He doesn't, we condemn ourselves like God forbid any of your children do if he/she decides to by choice. Keep learning, you're not alone in life.
Exactly 💯..All Knowing creating problems
Dan Barker is so awesome. He's been there an he understands the rules of the game. I found his book by chance in a thrift shop. I've been atheist since age 17 and do appreciate someone like Dan who has seen the REAL light. I believe Jesus is entirely mythical. It may have begun with an obscure cult "wise man" of some sort but it has the earmarks of myth all over it. And yet here we are 2,000 years later with millions in thrall to this cosmic fairy tale.
Praying for healing does not work. *Telling* people someone prays for them does work. Sometimes for the better, but sometimes for the worse (because people think: my illness must be really bad, because they pray for me!).
CHRIST IS LORD☝️☝️☝️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
And loves emojis
And ALLAH could stand for...
A Loving Life Achieves Holiness...
Divine Love does not need religious dogma.
The tall guy to Dan's left at the debate, looked somewhat forlorn.
Think bubble: "Shit, Dan is making so much sense. I think my best strategy would be to accept I'm wrong, Dan is right and exit stage right."
lol, he does look defeated.
they paid him to just stand there
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who no not believe, no explanation is possible.
Good people don't believe what's good, good people KNOW what's good. Faith is toxic.
The irony……
@@aussierob7177 why believe without an explanation? And why do you not have a convincing explanation?
This statement also worked in reverse
He’s never answered mine, the Vikings still have not won a Super Bowl.
I was an ordained Baptist Pastor and missionary. Married to my accepting wife for 51 years before she passed. But I am gay, medically proven. But the Baptist Church put me through 13 years of reparative therapy and also electronic shock therapy. But the church told me I am not welcome to even attend church. I never was welcome. I sure wish I had known that as a teenager. Watch my lips, I AM GAY and proud of it. Bye church.
Medically proven? What?!
@@iam604 Gay people exist, and can prove it. God doesn't, and can't prove that it exists.
@@KarlDubhe Gay people can medically prove they are gay? That was my question and not about any god that I agree with your point that no one has yet proven existence of. Currently, there is no definitive medical test or procedure that can objectively prove a person’s sexual orientation. So when @ronsmith2241 made the claim that he has been “medically proven” to be gay, I’m asking how.
Maybe GAY stands for
God Accepts You...
GOD does not need to stand for..
Guilt Of Damnation
Espoused by religious dogma...
AMGOD backwards..
@@KarlDubhe I never said they didn’t but there is nothing medically proven gay just as there is nothing medically proven that people like the color blue over green.
I recommend watching "Dave Allen on religion" for a humorous take on religion's absurdities.
"There are not many options, -essentially just two. Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator.
It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second."
Either we commit to studying the process that led to our being here today, or we assert that something like us had to make us the way we are yet that entity did not also need something to make it the way it is.
Not good enough. If one is going to claim a creator exists, one has to show positive evidence, not just "we don't know x, therefore god." The fact that one does not know how something provides no evidence that an invisible magical superbeing was involved.
God is the average morality of the imaginary friends of all humans currently alive
I think people respond so emotionally to the terms Atheist or Agnostic that they refuse to consider the arguments behind them
Agreed.
That's because "if there was no God, there would be no Atheists" -G.K Chesterton
@@Misael-Hernandez You mean gods. If there wasn’t any GODS then there wouldn’t be any atheists. Which is true. But you foolish made this comment as if that demeans atheists Mr. I can’t prove my claims. It’s okay, stay stuck in your cult and waste your time believing in something no one has proven to be true. You might as well travel to the end of any rainbow for the pot of gold as well. CHECKMATE!
@@iam604
Do you believe this equation is true?
HappyEvil=GoodUnhappy ?
@@Misael-Hernandez You obviously forgot you spoke to me about this and my many responses to it. Check other posts of yours and remember my thoughts about it.
Humans have always attributed things we can’t explain to a higher power
And only one has been the only God, the other ones where indeed made up so much as to have been offered human sacrifices.
@@Misael-Hernandez you are biased, and “your God” is not the oldest
@@gitchygitchyyaya and so are you, so I'll state my evidence;
Only my God stands when we consider the amount of time, research, studies and findings that have been made about His existence.
@@Misael-Hernandez uh huh
@@Misael-Hernandezwhich god are you claiming has studies and finding of existence? This I gotta see…
In medical schools, residency or fellowship subspecialty training and in medical practice, prayer is NEVER taught, learned or utilized in the care of hospitalized and critically ill medical and surgical patients. In fact, recently, three large randomized medical studies in respectable journals show that prayer is ineffective. In fact, one group of patients appeared to be harmed by prayer (!).
Yes, prayer is totally ineffective in helping sick patients.
"God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist" (2008) Victor Stenger
Psychologically it represents a
recrudescence of the subconsciously repressed mother-infant relationship. Prayer represents crying out to mother! It may be beneficial to the person praying (only) as a form of meditation or mindfulness. It makes the praying person(!) feel better.
"The Illusion of God's Presence:
The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing" (2016) by John C. Wathey
It certainly doesn't work. I pray for religious nutters to see the light. No results yet. Should I sacrifice a virgin?
God? No, thanks!
A short time later.... ok,ok,ok!
God is my least favourite fictional character.
Crazy how brainwashed a lot of people are. God loves you 🙏 he'll always be there for you
god can go fuck itself.
and joey you can go sit in a corner and shut up
If you're not sick, you're never going to die.
this video and everyone commenting should learn the parable of the sower.
Another former preacher who made money off people, then turns around and doesn't take any of the blame for what he now says would be deceiving them.
I have absolutely no respect for this "coming forward" type personality. I'm sure there is some endgame and I would be suspicious of someone who offers no apologies for any deception they caused.
How very judgemental of you.
Explaining his error and trying to prevent others from making the same mistake is taking responsibility. I have to question if you actually respect anyone or if you see yourself as a perfect specimen that from which everyone should be compared.
At the time he didn’t know he was deceiving others.
i pretty much agree with all his conclusions. Atheism (and therefore the scientific method) is a great a lens to view unexplainable phenomena. But lots of would-be atheists (myself included) stop short of calling ourselves that because of personal unexplainable experiences that simply can't be ruled out.
around 3:40 talking about prayer never working, I think it seems that way because most prayers aren't believed. The person praying is always asking for something that's out of reach and they believe impossible to obtain. I might argue that's why most prayers are never answered. We give a placebo to a subject in a clinical trial, because their BELIEF in having received treatment is so powerful that it has a scientifically measurable effect on the outcome. To me that implies our perception of reality has a material effect, at least biologically.
So when someone i trust (or i myself) has a verifiably unexplainable experience, the implications for something beyond our perceived reality are a lot more interesting when you aren't tethered to a narrow belief system. So, yeah.
Fabulous.
Brilliant! As an agnostic myself, I like this man's tone, he's not trying to insist "there's nothing supernatural" etc. I do trust in supernatural, but no gods required for it.
On the other hand, Japanese call some natural forces (or deities that are not "the-most-of-the-most")-- "gods". Maybe, there's smth you may call gods if you [re]define the meaning of the word. Anyhow, man-made gods (jahweh, allah, whoever) do not exist, and I'm happy about that.
Getting no for an answer is an answer even if it’s not what you want.
"No for an answer" is indistinguishable from no answer... funny that, it's almost as if there's no god giving an answer🤔
@@BubbaF0wpend so the answer is no.
@@Misael-Hernandez wooooosh!
@@BubbaF0wpend so there is a God giving the answer.
@@Misael-Hernandez citation needed
As a friend of an atheist and also one of manipulated religious novice back then.. I understand why some good hearted people turn to atheism.. I too almost did.. and my best friend in States, is an atheist… we misrepresent God to nonbelievers by cheating, lying, manipulating, discriminating, and other hideous things.. I get so lost with guilt when I see people hating God. I just pray for reconciliation..
Why would you fell guilty for the emotions of others? Simply not believing in your god doesn’t necessarily mean one hates your god.
This equation explains the crisis of Evil
HappyEvil= GoodUnhappy
It's like the worm never dies for the wicked. They get pleasure in seeing the good suffer but God is their strength because God is Good and Just, enough to give us eternal life and to be with Him by inheritance through Jesus Christ, His only Son our Lord who indeed is all Good.
What always browns me off, is that the bible pushers always use the bible to prove the bible.
I consider that as very childish.
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God is good all the time, and all the time God is good
Leprechauns have a pot of gold and a pot of gold is with Leprechauns. See how just saying something is easy without having to prove it?
@@iam604 I'd say go find the leprechauns then.
@@Misael-Hernandez I sure will right after your prove your god exist.
@@iam604 sure, just have patience with me. No more than 80 years. But if not, we can talk about it.
In the meantime try to solve this problem and you shall find Him. Remember, only God is Good.
HappyEvil=GoodUnhappy
Someone hasn’t read the Old Testament have they? 😂
You may destroy "religion," but you will never destroy true Christians and their belief in Jesus Christ.
Josephus did write about Jesus. It is debated whether or not christians added to his writings, but historians agree on the fact that he wrote about him.
Indeed.
From a historical perspective there is no other ancient work that comes anywhere near the books that now make up the Bible. Every credible historian accepts as facts the following:
There was a man named Jesus about 2000 years ago. He drew large crowds and taught many. His enemies then had him killed by Roman crucifixion and then a few days later the body was missing from the tomb. Many of his followers then claimed to have seen Jesus alive again. They believed it so much they dedicated their lives to the service of teaching it. Even to their own torture and death for that belief. Several of Jesus’ enemies converted after claiming Jesus came to them.
How do you explain that? What is the most likely solution?
@@wildcaveman5310 Yes, you are right. I was where this ex-pastor is, but after investigating about Jesus I came to a satisfactory conclusion: He is real. There is plenty of evidence to come to that conclusion, but many people denies it even to a non debatable point. There is so much to discover, to learn and to know about the fascinating story of the Bible, but Jesus is real. Besides all the historical evidence, the impact he has on the lives of the really open hearted people is the greatest evidence.
One of the things that I've personally learned is the simplicity of life with regards to the problem of good and evil that the belief in Jesus brings. Jesus was all Good. Jesus reaffirmed that only God is Good. And this truth helps me understand my weaknesses and shortcomings.
@@wildcaveman5310The most likely solution is that the story of that man may be true but coming back from death is the unproven part. Plus the biblical story accounts for two men named Jesus so now one has to provide evidence of which exact Jesus had this done to them and which didn’t not?
@@iam604 two men named Jesus? That’s not in the Bible. Unless you are accounting for a name variation like Joshua and Jesus. There are a couple of those. But the accounts in the New Testament are very clear there is only one Jesus in the story that really matters.
As far as proof for the resurrection we don’t have any video or any modern day forensic evidence. Over 500 eye witnesses though is pretty compelling. Either those witnesses lied and were tortured and killed for that lie or they didn’t lie and spoke the truth till they were torture and killed. They didn’t earn any physical rewards for their efforts. Most lost a large portion if not all of their wealth. They were ridiculed and punished for what they said not idolized and given fame.
The problem with Dan Barker is that he believed in dogma more than religion. When he found out the dogma was wrong, he made the cosmic assumption that all religion must be wrong. The typical "atheist" approach of denying reality based solely on your own misunderstanding of reality. How tragic.
Humanity knows far less than humanity knows. The theory of “Evolution” Doesn’t explain the existence of all life on Earth. The time for humanity to know our creators draws near.
It doesn't claim to explain the existence of life, only the diversity of life
Even if we never work out the details of how life came to be that doesn't mean we're justified believing "therefore my goddidit" is the right answer
Bollocks know far less than bollocks know.
Deconversion is the process of becoming what you truly are.
Deconversion from myself as an individual who's said to have known,met, or seen God and who has come short of the wisdom and knowledge of this Truth in Love, is allowing Him to help me and guide me into becoming who I am truly meant to be, a child of God.
I don’t think all religions are the same . Buddhism which is non theistic. It isn’t supernatural it is based on meditation and meditation is being proven to work by neuroscience.
Thanks for this video, hope it wakes people up that yes you can believe in hope for your individual, for me my opinion is that if the world was created men and beast alike, why animals do not have means for speech and writing, you do not see your dog starting to host sermons in your backyard