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Blackmagic PCC 4K vs GH5s [My Story]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 เม.ย. 2018
- First look at the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K shows the best video camera for indie film makers and vloggers. The BMPCC 4K was just announced at the NAB 2018. It records 4K 60p 4:2:2 ProRes. Alternatively, 12-bit RAW footage will give us lots of color space for color grading.
And it is sold for an incredibly low price.
BMPCC4K: www.blackmagic...
Panasonic GH5s:
www.panasonic....
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Just 367 subscribers? Dude, you deserve way more! Awesome filming and editing skills. Keep it going and good luck!
Thaaaaank you so much 😁 Maybe I will get them one day :)
You should! Keep going!
Dude. Who are you. And why haven't I seen you before. I love your style. I love what you're doing. SUBBED!
Thank you Dave, I love your videos too. Subbed too :D
Where are you from? You on Twitter? Follow me and hit me up on the DM @DaveAltizer
I am from Austria. I'm not on Twitter, sorry. Instagram hahaha @max_leithner
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Maximilian Leithner Hello max.
You are from Austria ? Best greetings.
I like travelling to Austria. I been 2 time there.
2 years later I'm back watching, not because of the camera comparison, but the Storytelling and editing, i just love it ❤️🎥
Wow that means a lot to me. I hope I can make more such videos soon. :D Thank you :)
so you want them to make a flip screen just because there a record button on the front? but you ignored the word CINEMA in the name, since when a cinema camera has a flip screen?
My point is the button layout shows us it is targeted at vloggers. They even mentioned that in interviews. Cinema cameras most of the times have at least a screen you can twist up and down. So that when you are shooting from a low angle, having your camera on the ground, you would not have to lay behind your camera on the ground.
Actually all canon cinema cameras have a flip ou screens or equivalents (rotational, multi angle screens). And you don't use a flip out screen only to record yourself, but to get low and high angles when filming. Yes it is fixable when getting and external monitor. But it would just be so nice to have it all in camera.
The think with this camera is that you need some stuff, i.e : battery is quite bad (you have roughly 40 minutes with the one you get in the box) so start adding for that. Then, the screen is quite bad in sunlight or even outdoor - so add an extra screen. RAW shooting is SUPER heavy in terms of files size (talking TBs here for a "reasonable" shooting). The battery is placed under like any DSLR which makes no sense in terms of workflow. Sure, image quality is AWESOME but there are a LOT of things you want to by to have it somewhat usable and that's some money right there.
I also hesitated a lot between the GH5s and the BMPCC 4K but could not justify the final price for what I do. Both great cameras though - thanks a lot for your great video ;)
Cheers!
So did you end up going with the GH5s? I initially bought the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema camera 4K and accessories... but its just so heavy and annoying to take anywhere. I am considering selling it to get a GH5s simply for portability. What would you say?
Great video! Thanks for sharing. I'm really excited about BMPCC 4k too!
Thank you :D
I think I will keep the GH5s anyway. :) I looooove the 240p slomo (used in the beginning of the video.) I guess I will use it as a second camera + slomo camera + when I am traveling and do something vlogging style like, as for traveling and vlogging I think the smaller form factor and the flip out screen are a benefit. Plus it looks better hahaha :D
out-freaking-standing! Great personality, great lighting, killer b roll! I know how it feels when someone says this (i have a small channel as well) but you deserve way more subscribers. You have one more with me. Keep up the killer work man. wow!
Thank you so much for your amazing comment, I will keep up :D
Man, I just started watching your video, and already love it!
I am happy you love it :D
The accent, the energy, the editing I like it. Subbed.
Way Out West Creatives thank you, I am glad like it :)
I was considering getting the GH5s as a companion to my Gh5, since I'd still have the ability to shoot with ibis, but the gh5s has better low light. But now, im very much considering the BMPCC4k. No flip out screen doesn't bother me, since if i need that, i have my gh5. I just worry about potential overheating issues that the huge screen, and the raw recording could cause in such a small form camera. Pumped to see some tests of this thing for sure!
Blackmagic said to no worry about overheating. There is no problem with that. BMPCC4k have his own cooling fan system. Of course it's incredible that this camera can do that much things and still stay cool but i believe in theirs word.
Yeah, that makes sense. The GH5, I think, is kind of more unique compared to the BMPCC4K, because of it's IBIS. But, since i mainly want to use it for production work, the lack of IBIS doesn't bother me. In fact, I actually prefer the not stabilized sensor, because I use gimbals, tripods, sliders and that stuff. For me, what made me choose the GH5s over the GH5, was not only the low light performance, but especially the lower crop factor (2). With the GH5s in combination with a Speedbooster and full frame lenses, I could get a crop factor of 1.28. That's even lower than the crop factor of the Canon 1Dx II, wich has a crop factor of 1.35 and is super expensive (buuuut is an amazing stills camera as well and has great autofocus, which both is really nice). You can actually see the crop factor difference when I switch the cameras at 1:20. The GH4 has a crop factor of 2.3 (just as the GH5). When switching, I used the same focal length (42.5mm) and kept the tripod at the same distance. At 2:20, I brought the tripod closer to match the GH4 shot. So when you actually compare the GH4 shots that start at 0:20 to the GH5s shots, you should see a difference in shadow depth of field. What do you think about the crop factor?
We don't know, if there will be an overheating issue. I have seen videos where they talked about their cooling system and I hope there will be no problem with that. That said, I really understand Alex's worry about the overheating. I think the low price is worth giving it a chance anyway :)
I love the crop factor. The idea of getting a near full frame look on a MFT camera is awesome. Thats why i use a speed booster on my GH5. Essentially gives me a S35 crop....As far as the BM and the GH5s, i read the the sensor in the BM is actually the same size as the GH5, which makes it smaller than the GH5s, and it has basically the same iso capabilities. So with that said, I wonder if the low light capabilities of the BM will be able to compete with the GH5s.
Where did you get the numbers from? Blackmagic says on there website the sensor is 18.96mm x 10mm. Panasonic says on theirs the GH5s sensor is 17.3mm x 13.0mm. The GH5s sensor is 4:3. When recording C4K it could only use 17.3mm x 9.12mm. When recording 4K the Blackmagic could use 17.77mm x 10mm and the Panasonic only 17.3mm x 9.73. So I guess the Blackmagic should perform better. When it comes to the GH5, it crops in when recording 4K (just as the GH4, which is also a reason why you can see a difference in field of view, when I switch the cameras in the video). It gives you a crop factor of 2.3, so it uses less sensor size and therefore performs worse in low light. I hope I got that right hahaha but that's how I understood it :)
Damn bro! Only 700 subscribers! Your videos are fire! 🔥 Keep it up bro!
Thank you man 😁. I am
Really excited to see what the new BMPCC has to offer in the field.
Nice overview and slick editing 🎥🤙🏻
Thank you man. That means a lot to me coming from you :D. I love your channel :)
Great storytelling! I am now really looking forward to its release!
Thank you, I am glad :D
You deserve a lot more subs than you have. Let me add one to the number, my brother. (Hey, I'm #900, yay!) Looking forward to more of your videos.
Thank you so much, Jody :D. Before this video I had about 100 hahaha.
@@MaxLeithner And welcome near 3K! So glad to see you grow. :)
@@JodyBruchon hahhaha thank you. I think it is going to take a while to reach the 3K finally haha. But I have to admit, I have just been uploading some of my work recently. Maybe some day I will start producing videos like the one about the BMPCC4K again.
Awsome editing and filming! Got yourself a new subscriber Maximilian!
Makes me happy :D Thank you, Andrei :)
This video really took-off! I like the editing a lot! Also, can't wait to read the reviews when the BMPCC 4K finally comes out!
Thank you :D I am glad you like it
Insane indeed. They do have a Bluetooth connection though, and I think (not positive) you can use your phone to frame yourself for self filming. Not ideal, but still a quantum leap for BMD cameras.
True, couldn't say it better. It's not a replacement for a flip out screen but it helps :)
I love how you made this TH-cam video a bit of a short film 😂 did you end up getting the BMPCC? Still like it more the the GH5 or? Anyways love your videos man, I’m subbed 🙌🏼
Thanks man, I am glad you notice the effort I put into this. Before the BMPCC came out, I bought a GH5 and a GH5s. I started using the GH5 most of the time because of its IBIS. I love how I can get smooth handheld shots with the GH5. I only use the GH5s for low light. However I still think that the BMPCC4K and also the 6K are amaaaazing cameras producing great image quality. Compare the highlight roll off between the Blackmagic cameras and the Panasonic cameras - huge difference to my eye. That being said, I will continue using the GH5 and the GH5s for my wedding films for a while. If you want to see what I get out of the GH5 and the GH5s at weddings, you can take a look here: th-cam.com/channels/5bB4-lQCyMdMibomk0JdvA.htmlvideos For commercials. I want to upgrade to a Canon Cinema Camera soon. The C500 II would be the perfect camera for my usage. Unfortunately it is super expensive and I recently bought a Mac Pro, so I am kinda broke haha. Btw. I am currently working on a review of the Mac Pro, so if you have any questions regarding the Mac Pro, hmu :)
Max Leithner So good to know!! Yes I shoot wedding on the GH5 as well, I’m was just thinking if it’s worth having a BMPCC as an extra camera because it’s so cheap, but for weddings the GH5 is literally perfect. I make short films aswell so I’m in the same boat as you hoping to get a c500 or c200 sometime in the near future haha
@@Sticks For most weddings this is my setup: The GH5 with the Sigma 18-35 and the GH5s with the Canon 70-200. That way both setups have image stabilisation and I have the GH5s, that I can use for low light at night. You could do the same with the BMPCC, but I am afraid, matching the shots in post might be a bit more work.
Max Leithner Yeah I think I’ll skip on the BMPCC, but maybe invest in the GH5s for low light and have both options!
Sticks Productions keep in mind that these are rather old cameras, as technology is moving quite fast. Panasonic seems to push its full frame lineup more than mft. Have you taken a look at the s1h?
Great video, man. I'm also keeping a close eye on this camera! I love the GH5 and Panasonic usually has great prices, but this Black Magic is making some serious noise.
Dayum, just discovered your channel randomly. Love your style and quality. You deserve way more subscribers. And you are from Vienna XDD What a coincidence. Servus, ausm elften Bezirk ;)
Thank you sooo much :D. Hallo servas hahaha :D. Nicht direkt aus Wien aber ich wohne in der Nähe und bin sehr oft in Wien.
Sucks how you just spent so much money on your new gear (which is really nice btw) but continue to still give love to the BMPCC4K Much respect man 😀
Hahaha I know, it's not their fault, that I just invested in a GH5s haha. But you are right, it's still a great camera and I don't see it as a replacement.
Do you think that PCC 4K will be good change for GH4/5 users? I love ergonomics of my GH4 and didn't hear many good opinions about blackmagic cameras in this field... Flipout screen, evf, perfect size... PCC 4K looks awful and even balancing in hand may be difficult... What is your opinion?
I think it depends on your needs. For vlogging I would rather use the Panasonics, due to the better form factor and the flip out screen. For videos like this one and image films where I have time to set up everything, I will give the PCC4K a try, since I think it might give me better image quality. For wedding film making I am not sure yet, since I would need lots of storage for recording with the BM. Aaaand of course it also depends on your budget haha :)... I think image quality and price point will be the things where the PCC4K will really shine at.... oh and I don't care about the evf, it's totally useless for me haha
I'm making documentary/run and gun stuff... quick changes from sticks to handheld... for me evf is great in bright sunlight and as third point of contact =] I really wanna try Blackmagic but their looks useless for my type of work =/
So is black magic better than gh5 what are both good?
I was talking about the GH5s, not the GH5. There is no better or worse imo. It always depends on your needs. What do you want to film?
Everyone is jumping to conclusions about this camera. I ain't preordering shit until I see footage and photo samples!
I won’t preorder neither haha
Nice video man, really well produced
Thanks bro :)
Mal abwarten was aus der Kiste dann wirklich rauskommt, und getestet wird und sich in der Praxis als Arbeitstier bewährt und inzwischen mal die Gh5 kaufen ? Oder gleich die Pocket 4K bestellen ?
Das ist die Frage ?
Ich tendiere auch eher zur Pocket, aber die Gh5 kann halt noch fotografieren.....
Gruss Boris
Das ist die Frage... Viele spekulieren ja, dass die Panasonics jetzt billiger werden, aber ich fürchte, dass es das nicht spielen wird :(. Also die GH5 kommt für mich aktuell für meinen Verwendungszweck nicht in Frage. Wenn dann nur die GH5s. Aber ich denke jetzt ist nicht der richtige Zeitpunkt um in Kameras zu investieren. Stattdessen kaufe ich jetzt lieber Objektive, Sliders usw.
I'm torn now. I've been saving up for gh5s, and as soon as I can get it, this is announced. All the specs of it are so tempting, the body size doesn't bother me, unless it weighs 30 pounds. The screen may be an issue, may not. I need to play with my a6300 and leave the screen in to see how annoyed I get. I would think a 5" screen would sorta help to a degree. But do I want to wait another 6 months? I can save a lot of money if I do, but what if the camera becomes a bust? And then I decide 6 months from now to just get the GH5s? I'm sure I would be happy with it, I see people can get really good looks with it, but for the extra $1000 am I going to regret it? I don't really want to buy gh5s and then buy the BM down the road.
I feel like I am having a similar situation. I will probably just use my money and invest in other gear in the mean time.
Yeah dude you are amazing, From Finland with Love!
Thanks bro, I am happy you like it :D
How are you ?? What you recomend for me ... which camera is better in overall ?
this is great! Which camera did you use to take those first open box shots??? GH5s does that good job capturing that dust??? Amazing
Thank you :). I used the GH5s. I did the box opening shots after I had already unboxed it and sticked the knife into the empty box. Here is how I showed the dust: I put a light in the back and used the Olympus 75mm. For the first shot where I just threw the box on the table that was it. But for the knife shots I also used the Atmosphere Aerosol spray for showing the motion and air moving after my hand and knife.
Max Leithner thanks. I love that one probably with spray when you are cutting with the knife and the dust effect is right after that cut... You have a nice ideas. I just unpacked my gh5s. I’m was making my trip videos only but at some point I started to receive some request for real estate project so after few of them made with Phantom4pro and osmo+ I decided to go a little bit more professional and switched to gh5s. I also just placed an order for Ronin S crane... will see what happens. Maybe I’ll end up like you on the weddings:) For now I’ll continue to do my family trip videos and real estates
I started with travel videos as well. Did a vlog during my semester abroad at U of I. I knew I had to make this somehow my job. I called a friend and told him I would like to film his wedding, uploaded it to the internet and more and more people asked me to film their weddings. Then they started asking me to do imagefilms, eventfilms, advertisement videos and so on. So most of my work are imagfilms and advertisement videos.
you can not delete files from the camera in the field on the bmpcc. you have to wait till you get home or bring a computer with you to delete the files if you have bad takes. ill keep my amazing Gh5
Are you sure about that? I heard a Blackmagic guy saying in an interview it would be possible.
Bobby Washington Vlog because it's a film camera and not a photo camera with video function. In film production, nobody just deletes things, everything is transferred
Thats the old bmpcc yes, but i think the 4k with ursa OS would let you do that
The other downside is you have to use an ir cut filter when shooting outdoors. I really wish Blackmagic gave us the option to have one installed. I hope Mosaic Engineering steps in to make an internal ir cut and anti aliasing and moire filter...
Hm, never heard that... Are you sure about that?
Hey Max,
I’m sure about this. Dave from Kinotika TH-cam Channel spoke with Blackmagic at NAB and they said they aren’t including an ir cut filter because it lowers resolution.
- Paul
Would you buy this camera over the GS5 if you were an amateur wedding videographer. If I buy the black magic I’m also buying the expensive SD card and external hard drive and an Apple pro.
which one do you mean by GS5?
How have you only got 600 subs?! Great content, subbed!
Thank you, Oliver :D
This was hilarious yet equally informative. Loving the style, did you end up fixing the BMPCC 4K now benchmarks are out?
Thank you, I wanted it to be entertaining and not just boring
Thinking of buying the Black Magic in September. I’m just not sure about the expenses that go with it. I was told most computers won’t support the 4K technology either . I don’t want to get in too deep with $$$. I m wondering if I should just go with the GS5.
What do you mean by expenses that go with it? Talking about computers supporting 4K, are you talking about editing or playback? Editing: most computers you buy now should support that, Playback: it is probably true, that most consumers don't watch online videos in 4K yet. However, shooting in 4K gives you imo better quality due to downsizing to 1080p and you get some extra pixels for cropping in and framing your shot or faking "camera movements". I still do not know which camera you mean by GS5?... You mentioned in a former comment that you need it for amateur wedding films. I would recommend the GH5, not the GH5s for that usage.
Ich freue mich auch sowas von auf die Cam :D und natürlich auf neue Videos von dir ;)
Hahaha danke, die werden bald kommen :D
First video I found and I love your style bro
I am glad you like it :)
What camera are you using for this video? Nice quality video and I'd love to see your setup.
I used the GH4 until the moment when I said I am switching to the GH5s
Did you check out the Atomos Ninja V as well? It's close to half the price of the Inferno.
I didn’t look at it in detail but it seems to be a great companion for the gh5s.
Hey bro! Awesome video... When BlackMagic design brought there first camera.. BMCC 2.5k (I still use one)... Which has a front record button and one in the back! Sure this is not for blogger, I cant imagine any bloggers with this camera..
Ops..
Anyway.. they been keeping some buttons like this for easy use of cinematographers, i still love it and its very easy to use the front record button.
Thank you, man. I also think that it's not the best camera for vlogging. I just mentioned that in the video, because they say it in there interviews and as I said their button layout makes it look like they intended to design it for that usage as well.
I've been saving my money back last couple of months was going to get the gh5 or a7 3 later this year then seen this come out...so glad I didnt get the other ones yet I'm going to get this when it comes out
Hahahaha I also considered sending back the GH5s. But I don't know, I would love to use it for the films I make until the BMPCC4K comes out.
Maximilian Leithner yea that's a good idea but when it comes out just think ...get that codec that blackmagic has so good and get that film look that we just can't get with the gh5 ...I came to the conclusion I'm not going to be happy with my short films until I get that look that this camera will have
I just hope it will keep up with our expectations. haha
Maximilian Leithner well looking at bm other cameras I dont think it will disappoint..
Maximilian Leithner hey I was just thinking ...I'm going to get that Samsung ssd 500gb to use with the camera seeing that should work for my needs on shoots but was thinking....do you think after you record something you can playback that clip in camera or will you have to plug the ssd into a laptop to pull up the clip and look?
Keep the gh5 for autofocus, and get the BM as a second camera. at that price point it's like buying a new lens. Love your story.
Maybe I will do that... Thank you, I spent a lot of time for story :)
U need a new Battery every 20 minutes lol
Yo! For the content you put out I'm surprised that you only have 1k subscribers, you should have more!
Thanks, man! Hopefully they will get more lol
Sir can you please help me a little bit . I want to be a filmmaker I am a very basic camera user lumix G7.
Now I want to upgrade to a top notch camera .
I don't know difference in camera because I never got a hands on . The options I choose are
1) Sony A7 iii
2) Panasonic lumix GH5S
3) If any other better camera from Panasonic is available please recommend .
4) blackmagic (I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM)
PLEASE HELP ME OUT SIR.
THAT Intro, just pure bliss!
Thanks man, I am glad you like it :D
If the "sd card workflow" bothers you just use usb c cable directly from the camera to your computer?!
Sure, I‘ll bring my computer to all my shoots hahaha. Probably also mount it on my gimbal. Maybe I can even use it as a monitor hahaha. 27“ iMac monitor hahaha i like that idea lol
then i hope you will never have any issues with sd cards (broken sds, loosing data, lossing sd cards, stolen sd cards etc). I think every pro makes data redundant asap. there are even devices to copy data from sd to HDs or SSDs without the need of a computer...
I dont even get your point. If you always copy the files at home and not on set, you could still use a usb c cable to copy from the camera. So you dont have to bring your pc/mac if that bothers you...
Just stumbled on your channel and I absolutely love your lighting. SUBBED keep doing your thing brother.
Thanks man, I spend lots of time on lighting. I think it is super important for film making
Epic video. I too am waiting super patiently for this camera. I have the current BMPCC and this new one is going to solve so many issues I have with the current model.
I believe that haha but aren't there already a lot of better alternatives out for the current BMPCC?
Yes indeed! But I am still using it with good results, and a ton of "work arounds" in place.
I love my GH5s but yeah, totally had that same reaction when I saw the BMPCC at NAB booth ;)
hahaha
BMD is the bomb, for sure...
They are looking so sharp
on the way up. 😎
What is difference between gh5 and gh5s? Gh5 is not good in low light.
Very very quality editing!
Thank you so much, Kagan :)
Dude this is amazing! Love the lighting and smoke in the intro.
Very interesting video. Thank you
I am not an expert because I just like to shoot. I'd like to ask a questio please, hoping someone experienced will answer me.
1) I only make documentaries in remote areas, around the world. 2) I travel alone. 3) I like to film in 4K 50p 10bit. 4) I would like to get the same or slightly better video quality than the GH5. 5) I would like a room that is easy to use.
Which room do you think is the best for me? I could also accept a small camcorder, but only if it has excellent image quality.
I thought of Blackmagic because it was small but then I realized that maybe it's not for me.
Thank you very much for the advice.
Subbed. Great video. Also waiting for this camera.... just not a fan of the external design (looks kinda like they squashed a canon)... i like the older square shaped modular looking design of the BMCC2.5K or BMPC4K
Oh, I agree on that 100%. It looks awful hahaha
I own 3 bmpccs and will buy the 4k as soon as they start selling it but Im really confused here cause everybody talks about it but no one has it yet and there is no video to be found shot with it?
Actually there was a video leaked and it looked really good. However they took it down, because it was not official. But I am pretty sure you can still find it somewhere. I will just wait for the original footage by Blackmagic.
now that the P4K is out, would you chose it over the GH5s?
I think I would probably get a P4K and a GH5. Now, I have the GH5s and I will probably also get a GH5. I want that IBIS for certain situations.
I just don’t understand why they don’t add a flipout screen because it’s such a neat feature wich can be used well if you would make a video where you film yourself you can easily set the focus right.
Exactly. Not only for setting the focus but also exposure and framing. Also it’s great for shooting from very low or high levels.
Maximilian Leithner True, Only my crappy camcorder of €250 could do that wich was so handy and with my bmpcc i have to stick my hand out to the distance where i’m standing in order to focus (wich sometimes still doesn’t work aswell). Also from lower angles its just handy.
Just subbed! Love the content!
Thank you so much 🙏🏾😁
Loved the Guy Ritchie-esque presentation of the pricing for the GH5s setup. Kudos!
You have said everything I’ve been saying... I can not wait to get my hands on it... 🔥
Until the camera actually comes out. You won't know how it performs. So, you might be suffering from premature emissions.
True, there can be so many potential issues. But I have good faith in it haha 😁
I've always been really let down by Blackmagic in the past (which is too bad, because I think that they're making some interesting cameras) but their specs almost never match how the camera actually performs. So I agree with you that it'll be interesting to see footage from the camera before we decide if its a game changer or not.
Blackmagic 4k pocket with flip-out screen and good AF, my dream continues.
what are you talking about the Ursa mini 4.6k is phenomanal
Prank Smart It’s nice but far from perfect. The FPN is ugly and it’s not near the 14 stops of DR they claim. But it’s a good camera for certain situations!
Hahaha, I had the same revelation the day I saw the BMPCC4K. Glad it's MFT! Gotta have this camera!
Hahaha it's just unbelievable hahaha
Best B-Camera for Ursa Mini Pro market. Now they can keep their dslr tools like sliders, gimbals, mini-cranes, etc and use the Ursa Mini as the A.
GREAT EDITING!!!!!! Surprised you don’t have more subs!
Thaaanks 🙏🏾😁 yes, there could be more haha Before this video I had only 100, so I am pretty excited about what is happening right now with my channel
I'm sure someone has already said this, but the BM camera is all specs, and it's not even guarenteed that they will be able to deliver all those specs and not on the timeframe they're projecting. Especially seeing as they still haven't released any footage that was recorded on this camera. I rented a GH5s for a wedding this past weekend to pair with my GH5, and I feel like the bmpcc4k would have to be nearly as good as an URSA 4.6k (which I don't think is very realistic) to convince me to use them over the GH5/GH5s combo. BUT if BM is able to deliver even half the features at that price point, it's overall very exciting for the industry.
Yes, announced products are never guaranteed to actually come. But why would they announce specs they can't hold? Just to make people mad at them? I have good faith in Blackmagic :D. I think that they haven't published any footage yet might just be their marketing strategy. You know what I mean? They are now waiting for the hype to flatten out and then push it again with the footage release. (Just my personal theory about that haha) I think your GH5 + GH5s is a great combo for weddings but why would it not enough for you, if the BM was just as good or better than the GH5s? Why the comparison with the URSA 4.6K? I mean it's half the price of the GH5s, that's pretty awesome.
"...and I feel like the bmpcc4k would have to be nearly as good as an URSA 4.6k (which I don't think is very realistic) to convince me to use them over the GH5/GH5s combo."
Wait, a $1300 camera would have to match the performance of a $5,000 camera in order for you to use it over a $2500 camera that it will ostensibly outperform? I don't understand that logic. The BMPCC 4k will shoot DCI 4k RAW at 60 fps, and looks to have low light performance similar to the GH5s -- and it does this for half the price. Unless a flip-out screen is so important that you'd rather have it at the expensive of everything else, why would you choose the GH5s?
I commented using the wrong account apparently haha. But anyways, the only camera BM has made thus far that I've loved the color science in is the URSA 4.6. Everything else isn't my cup of tea. I've got a variety of reasons why I won't take the P4k seriously right now, and I honestly hope that BM proves me wrong on every front. Raw functionality isn't everything, I think people have to take into account things like workflows and media storage alongside modes like that. Even with the SSD recording on the P4K (which is cool as hell, let's be honest) it is still unreasonable to shoot RAW in many situations.
Just came back to check if u decided to get the bmpcc 4k... It's out now
I did not get it, because I already own the GH5s. After watching reviews and footage, I think that the BMPCC4K has a more filmic look but I think the GH5s is more comfortable to use.
OK I'm converting. Have the GH5s and really really really want the BMPCC now.... Your style is sick dude. Super jel.. 😜
Thanks man. I would wait concerning all the rumours about a full frame mirrorless Panasonic and Canon being announced soon.
Panasonic?? I know Canon is coming up with EOS R when I was at IFA in Berlin. The price tag is a bit 👆 though...
Yes, just google for Panasonic mirrorless full frame. Rumours are that it might be announced in late September.
Yo what spotlight are u using? Looks great
The aputure 120d with the mini light dome and the grid. Thank you, I love this light. I guess I should make a video about my lighting. Lighting is so much more important than that camera shit hahaha
Nice prod. I like your style ,keep on doing nice videos ! You've got a new sub
Thank you. I appreciate it :)
I can't wait to get this camera!
same :)
Yes. It looks like a good deal. Only for video 📹 makers. With a Gh5 or A7III you can shoot photographs, so you have 2 in 1. I'm looking forward to this camera 🎥 anyway. I like what this brand has to offer.
Yes, definitely. Both the GH5s and the Blackmagic are video cameras. For photo + video I think the Canon 1dxII would be really nice. Like all the Vloggers and Travelvloggers use (Casey Neistat, Peter McKinnon, Sam Kolder,...) But it costs way more, is a lot heavier, has no WiFi and in 4K even a higher crop factor compared to the GH5s or the PCC4K.
Maximilian Leithner, Canon 1DxII it's a Mercedes G 🚙. Over priced and a toy for the guys with 'bigger' dreams. To get from point A to point B, you can easy work with camera 🎥 1/6 prices of DXII. Currently, you can even make a cinema quality footage, with your mobile. For me DXII it's way to expensive. I'm not sure if I ever consider buying such equipment, but not stopping others if they fill the desire. 💸
Most underrated channel of...ever
i am still waiting to see, how much weight it has, it looks very heavy to me.
also Blackmagic never includes the RGB Parades for monitoring. we dont know how long the batteries stay, so maybe there some more things make the gh5s look better
I‘m curious about that as well. The models they showed at the NAB 2018 were built of full metal, so they are indeed pretty heavy. However, the final cameras will be made of carbon fiber, so it will definitely be lighter. I hope my Zhiyun Crane 2 will be able to handle it. Also because of the additional size.
It's around 700gr.
where can i find the video finding out about the bmpcc 4k the office
here: facebook.com/redaiz0/videos/10214753213217775/ :)
The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in. is it in a group
Yes, it's in a group. Let me see, if I can find it elsewhere.... Ok, you can find it on Instagram as well: @BMPCC4K
Only problem is it'll probably be 2019 before Black magic actually releases the camera
Many people say it got better with recent releases and this is just an old reputation. Idk
Fabulous content and editing ! Deserve more subs!
Thank you so much, man :D
Use the money you save on gh5s on a smallHD focus (for selfie shooting)
Sadly that doesn't replace the need of a flip out screen for me. I can't imagine vlogging with a huge rig like that, considering the P4K already has a rather big form factor. Maybe the autofocus will be just good enough, we will see.
yeah it's not a bullet proof solution :/
Loved your video. I have been looking to purchase a 4k camera recently but I'm thinking I might hold out for the BMPCC now.
Thank you :)
they dont have a flipout screen because that would hurt their monitor department. watch them announce some cool ass monitor/external recorder next year that fits beautifully with the bmpcc4k
For me monitors don’t replace the need of a flip out screen. The form factor of a camera you can use with its flip out screen is way better than a camera with a monitor attached to it. Plus you would have to charge an additional battery
Haha nice video man. But talking about new gear, what do you think about the Kinifinity Mavo LF coming out in October? This camera is the real concern of BMCC/RED/Panasonic/maybe ARRI even..
Thank you, Roel :D I haven't looked it in detail but it seems to be amazing as well. Still kinda out of my budget, tho haha
I really like the colors you got out of the camera :)
Did you shoot this in V-LOG? I'm curious what LUT you used or if you did custom correction.
Thank you, I am glad you like it :). On the GH4 I shot in Cine-D and on the GH5s I shot in V-LOG. I used a mixture between a standard Premiere Pro LUT, custom correction and a sliiiight bit of a Orange and Teal LUT
There's certainly a nice pop that's probably from the orange and teal adjustment, it certainly is a good combo to get good warm skin tones. Of course lighting helps in color and overall pop too, which you have set up very well. Thank you for sharing :D
Did you end up getting the BMPCC?
No, I kept the GH5s and I am pretty happy with it :)
Predicted accessory for BMPCC4K: small hand mirror on an arm that can reflect the screen to be visible from the front.
Or just a mirror hahaha 😂
thanx god most "filmmakers" today think on how much dr and how many Ks their footage has. and do not pay attention, that the video has often even no basic story or script. stupid beauty shots in slow motion und no dramaturgy at all. and this is gorgeous. that's why you are still able to win an award in Cannes also with smth like canon t3i or similar cheap equipment. everything you need is a story and a strong willingness just try to tell it. nobody is fucking cares at the end of the day which camera did you use to shoot it. instead of that every one will be interested on WHAT you shoot. cheers
I think both matters. I mean you are right, story is extremely important. But I don't only want to tell a story but also want to make beautiful looking images.... But yeah, everyone has other preferences.
I love this! Finally a good video camera. After researching to buy a new camera I'm pissed at the big corporations endlessly creating and protecting their market segments by crippling or reducing features on cameras. Just to try to squeeze every last penny out of their customer base. It's time a new camera shakes the market up.
I figure for vlogging, you'll also miss the in body stabilization. So you'd really need a gimbal and Instead of a flip up screen you can clip a hdmi monitor on top of your camera. Or use some dual mirror contraption.
So true.
Also true, but I don’t see myself vlogging with a gimbal and an external monitor. That was also the point I wanted to make in this video. It seems like they tried to reach vloggers because of the button layout and they also mentioned vloggers in their interviews. However, it has no ibis, no continuous autofocus and no flip out screen. I would still go with the GH5 for vlogging or maybe some Sony Camera with better autofocus.
What lens are u using for the blackmagic
I don't use the blackmagic but the GH5s. I use the Panasonic 12-35, Panasonic 42.5, Olympus 75 and Sigma 18-35
Your editing skills are on point.
Thanks :D
This is not a vlogging camera, his name is "Pocket CINEMA camera" this camera is made for cinema (and can be used as crash cam, this is why you have a rec button and rec light in front )
It’s just a name haha. Why is it „POCKET cinema camera“, if you cannot put it into your pocket any longer? There are so many interviews online where they say, there target group are not only independent film makers, but vloggers too.
How about Black Magic's newest 6k pro?
I think it's amazing. I always wanted internal NDs in a relatively compact and affordable camera. They save so much time when shooting. I own the C300 III now, so I will not buy the 6K Pro, but I probably would, if I did not own the C300 III.
Did you end up buying the blackmagic?
I did not, because I would only have very few shoots where the BM would be better than the GH5s.
@@MaxLeithner fair comment. Because i am looking to upgrade from a basic apc canon rebel t7i for me it is a little different. Thank you for the reply, appreciate it!
Santa Cruz hoodie sweet.
I want the BMPCC 4K and a new Santa Cruz 29er
Hahaha 😂
Mit welchem Program schneidest du deine Videos?
Mit Premiere Pro
Danke!
Can't get enough of this video, this must be the 5th (or is it 6th) time I am watching it...
ocubex hahaha I am glad you like it haha
Nice work, man! Keep it up!
Thanks, bro :D
bro where can i find Atomos for 335 ? thanks
Sadly 335 is just for the Accessory Kit haha
Great video! With respect however, the complaint about the lack of a flip out screen is completely irrelevant IMO at this size and price point. No other mirror-less or dslr in any format that I know of has a 5" touch display. You could add a small HD monitor and still be less than half the price of the GH5s setup you described here.
At $1300, I wouldn't even think to mention a flip out display in my considerations for this body, given how it hits nearly every nail directly on the head.
Thanks for your comment :) I appreciate the 5" screen. However, I talked about vlogging. Not only did they make this camera for indie film makers but also for vloggers, like they say in their interviews. And for vlogging I don't want an external monitor. For me, that would destroy the form factor even more and would be such a pain. For production work, however, where the 5" screen comes in handy, I could easily have used an external monitor. A big rig doesn't bothers me more for vlogging than it does for production work. So I would prefer a small flip out screen over the 5" fixed screen, but that's just my opinion :)