History Primer 179: Martini-Henry MkIV Documentary
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C&Rsenal presents its Primer series where we delve into the story of this classic firearm. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Additional reading:
The Martini-Henry for Queen and Empire
Neil Aspinshaw
A Treatise on the British Military Martini : The Martini-Henry 1869 - C1900
B.A. Temple & I.D. Skennerton
The Martini-Henry Note-Book
Malcolm Cobb
Peabody Firearms
Edward Hull
The Turkish Connection: The Saga of the Peabody-Martini Rifle
Man at Arms Magazine Volume 1 #2 1879
William O. Achtermeier
Mitteilungen der Thurgauischen Naturforschenden Gesellschaft Issue 13 (1898)
Türk-Amerikan Silah Ticareti Tarihi
Ali Ihsan Gencer, Ali Fuat Örenc, & Metin Ünver
The Illustrated Naval and Military Magazine, July 1884
British Bayonets - W. Kynynmound
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Explaining a quickloader with a Sonic the Hedgehog Pez dispenser is the followup to the Mosin penguin slide I didn't know I needed.
And when reloading the rifle do you still go, mmm… yum yum yum? LoL
omfg, i forgot about the penguins...
I see everyone's already made the traditional Martini jokes. That leaves me shaken, but not stirred.
Vodka Martini-Henry 🍸
Of olive the jokes I've seen, this one is a bit too dry.
One mind, many people. Most people have no original thoughts.
Bwah!
There's dry humor, and then there's this. It's only rinsed with vermouth.
Cartridge: Pull the lever, Kronk.
**lever gets pulled and makes cartridge fly out**
Cartridge: WRONG LEVEEEeeeeeee…
No, no... He has a point
Had to rewatch this episode. I loved watching beloved British guns finally get the slander they deserve. Almost makes up for all the Teaboos making Bren comments on the video about the WWI variant of the BAR.
Best use of a Pez dispenser in a historical presentation.. ever! Fantastic episode as always. Thank you for all the hard work!
The PEZ Dispencer Part killed me.
Those Candy- Dispencers were KING in my Childhood in Germany of the 90's.
I now demand an episode about PEZ guns!
Sonic the hedgehog aka Martini round dispenser.
I'm at a loss for words.
I suppose it gives new meaning to the phrase "chewing through rounds"
And now I've started using Ballistol, entirely due to this channel.
Same actually
Nothing quite like a Martini Henry great looking gun
The fact that the Martini external magazine was really considered was so cool. Hunt Showdown added it to the game for a variant of the IC1. They also added the Alof's device to (what I suspect is) their Remington 1877 single shotgun
Love the visual demonstration as well as the snack for Othias. Almost as satisfying as seeing Crozier eat berries.
Oh not close. The happy potato is much more satisfying.
Yay! More Martini-Henry!
Moretini-Henry
I have used up hundreds of rounds through my MkIV Type A and it is my favourite. The long lever is to be used with a ‘smart soldierly action’ with which it works every time. Weak extraction is due to the user being tentative. In fact I tend to modulate it such that I can catch the extracted round from the air avoiding it hitting the ground and getting distorted and thus make reloading the cartridge harder. I prefer the grip to the earlier version. I do wonder if the Indian noting of receiver cracks betrays their hard use in active campaigning. The British major use was with the Volunteers, not the Militia. Nepal was not a Native State of India but a sovereign nation. One might note that the converted rifles retained their internals which carried ‘E-M’ stamp on parts as Enfield Martinis which was over stamped with M-H when they became Martini Enfields. The barrels do heat up fast and hot in extended and rapid fire. I used to often run through twenty rounds in rapid fire and the barrel would burn my fingertips if they touched the barrel and excess linseed oil ooze out of the wood. FWIW mine was ex Nepal and apparently unused since refurbished before being given to Nepal. Bar a cracked firing pin coil spring it was fit for issue straight away. Once cleaned. Again FWIW my grandfather joined the army in the 1890s and did his recruit musketry training with Martinis so my grandfather was not only a Victorian rifleman but a Victorian Martini soldier. As far as recoil is concerned, I had no problems standing or kneeling but prone could be character building with extended firing. I generally use full service loads. At barely more than half my old weight recoil would have been more of an issue for my grandfather but I expect he was told that it was ‘only pain, carry on’. He saw three major wars. 2nd South African War, 1914-18 and Home Guard on the coast 1940-45.
I have the phrase "The PEZ is superior" continuously echoing in my head now. I can already tell it's going to be one of those things that is forever embedded in my mind.
Out of everything else in the video, my main takeaway is that "the PEZ is superior".
great use of props in this show
The pez is a more civilian magazine, locking out the fast feed option with a physical block
Thanks again for Moretini! The single-stack Sonic was quite an interesting analog.. Now the work-up to the M1 Garand is going to fun for you guys.
My entire family was subjected to “ facsimile PEZ Demonstration.” Very entertaining!
First time watching this chat....kind of like forgotten weapons on steroids...but in depth and interesting 👍
Perfect to listen to something while at work. Another great episode!
May rocking the military uniform. Slightly disappointed she didn't go all the way with and apply a facsimile of her fellow soldier's magnificent mustache :D.
Can't get enough of these Martini episodes!
12:10 it was a Winchester in a special .45-50 chambering. The magazine detonated when the soldier demonstrating came to attention and grounded the butt on the ground
Pez dispenser analogy is why I feel compelled to watch all your videos!
Haven't had this much fun since the penguin slide.
I love how you use a PEZ and how a candy dispenser has a better design than one a government military complex spent thousands or millions of Pounds Sterling to design. Pez is always a great candy. The kids are looking for their PEZ dispenser...
Hello Martini-Henry, my old friend
I’ve come to talk with you again.
I hope you continue well
Ah… the Martini Henry from Battlefield 1, a gun that was truly a monster and still used by many.
I could tell from the recoil when Mae was firing it what a monster it is. But on the other hand a rifle intended to take down a charging zulu warrior is not going to have a mild recoil.
Ballistol, if you’re reading this, I just bought two cans based on the last C&Rsenal video reminding me I needed some to clean milsurp arms
Ahh! The legendary quote during the South African wars. 'We apply rule .303 😁
Dean Martin was a HUGE fan of a good Martini, so I've been told.
Shaken not stirred? Oh wait that was somebody else
Excellent episode you guys! Very interesting and never realized all the little variations and changes that went with these cool rifles. 👍 And seeing the mention of the Lee Metford rifle being brought up in reference here makes me want to watch that episode all over again! 🙂
Thank you for yet more good work and loads of effort on your part!
Wonderful engagement.
Video game junkie here. I love the martini in Hunt Showdown. It’s probably the closest I’ll ever get to shooting one.
So ready for PEZ / C&R promotional merch with Balistol (Othias talking head with Balistol cap) but not Balistol flavored PEZ - Please🦊
Long lever, Kronk!
Pull the lever, Kronk.
PEZ! Genius!( also, quite clever)
Ah the MKIV. The hated last child of the Martinis
The Lebel reminds me of La Gloire how everything is now old and bad after it comes out.
Imagine if they had focussed on making a good rifle and cartridge rather than kludging together what they could to meet a ridiculously short deadline.
First the penguins, now a sonic Pez? These magazine systems keep getting weirder
No PEZ dispensers were harmed in the making of this vid.
Perfect description of wd-40's uselessness. I hate seeing people use if for lubrication as it does turn into glue. I saw one of my dumber friends lube the bolt on a semi-auto .22lr Marlin and bout an hour later heat from repeated firing cooked the wd-40 and jammed the bolt.
Ballistol is the only oil I use on my guns. I usually don't mix it with water unless i'm cleaning corrosive residue though.
Oh deer, more Martinis. Cheers and drink water too for the next day's headache.
Amazing Video!
I have a Mk IV, C model which is a really nice rifle, and I love shooting it.
The long lever is the martini henry M16 forward assist.
Thanks for my day. Therapy done, already wearing my “E Pluribus Unum” T- shirt. Maybe first I will pour myself a little bourbon…
Just noticed all the shottys piling up in the background. Looking forward to the new series. 🦀🇦🇺
Something that would’ve been interesting to see how the British would’ve reacted to it was what would become the Winchester 1895. Though the 95 is definitely not simple in its construction or parts count, I think had it shown up in a configuration not unlike the 1895 Russian in a 40 caliber cartridge with a rapid loading clip system I feel the British would have been keenly interested. Given that it would’ve been a repeating rifle with a rapid load single stack magazine that wasn’t a bolt action efforts might have been made to simplify the design and make it more soldier proof.
Fun fact. Jim Corbett used a Martini Henry to kill the man-eater of Champawat before he was gifted his .275 Rigby in 1907
Damn, that pez brings back memories
Hey! That's a Swedish Jarmann rifle. Not the Norwegian version as claimed...
He claimed the Norwegian Jarmann rifle, which arguably is correct considering that he is from Norway
@@StepSherpa No, and yes. Jarmann was from Norway. The rifle shown was a Swedish built test series for their Navy, if I recall it correct. The rifle shown, is therefore not the Norwegian Jarmann rifle, but the Swedish Jarmann rifle copy, with some alternations. It's like talking about a german mauser, and showing turkish mauser.
Would you say the Yugoslavian AK? Or the Chinese AK, I sure wouldn't but I would say this or a Chinese/Yugoslavian AK
It's the Norwegian jarmann pictured but a Swedish example
@@StepSherpa Yes, I would say a chinese or Yougoslavian AK. This channel is made for nerds, and has some of the best research done before each show. It's a Swedish Jarmann, not a Norwegian Jarmann. End of discussion. It's just facts.
I swear you had a martini Enfield or something like it. I saw it in the background in older videos
While improbable that it would have been much longer than 1887 for smokeless propellants to become practical for field service, due to rapidly compounding advancements in Chemical Engineering in the latter half of the 19th Century, one does wonder what firearms and cartridges would have looked like if smokeless propellants hadn't come about until closer to 1897.
Why does it seem like the navy of most countries seem to be ahead in the ideas of weapons development?
Interestingly, I have an 1888 Enfield MkIV .22 Target Rifle and it was converted back to a MkIII lever, so I guess some folks didn't care for the long lever.
They were astandby of rifle clubs in UK. I learnt to shoot on one! They wer ealos coverted to smooth bores shotguns, the action is such a brick you can't breack it. Same can't be said for the shooter in 12 bore. 😖
@@51WCDodge My rifle is engraved "Converted By The London Small Arms CoLtd For The Society of Minature Rifle Clubs" Along with their crest with "Look Forward" under the crest.
The extended lever provides more leverage for removing a stuck case. And it probably did help more than Othais and Mae indicated as it wouldn't just be the owners beating on the short level couldn't get out, but every case that wasn't easily removed with the short lever would be easier with the longer lever.
Now on a range, that been for is reduced as a clean environment where you can take your time to clear the rifle. Also, if it was done later with better, more reliable ammunition the benefits would also be reduced as it wouldn't have as many stuck cases to start with.
@@88porpoise I understand the reason for the change in levers I just find it interesting they spent the time and effort to change it back to the short lever. They had to move the locking cup and put in a repair plug in the stock then refinish. Functionally it would have made no real difference as the leverage for a 22lr is nearly irrelevant. Perhaps it was a parts gun and the lever was missing, who knows as it was assembled over a 120 years ago. Another interesting bit is the skill it took to add the barrel liner. The bore is off center so that the factory firing pin will work. The sight bases are also cut at the same angle to match the off center bore.
Get ready for Mr. Reflective Glasses' lecture!
Repeating myself to say that we really need a vid/pic of Othais using a small Ballistol container to open a large Ballistol container, a la Hank Hill.
Nex time we go to Tanganika? Right? Right?
Nice video and great use of substitute prop.
Awsom
It is interesting how they just couldn't stop messing with the Martini-Henry. I think it shows how fast small arms were developing at the time. The mk1 was adopted in 1871 and still they were interested in a new cartridge by the end of the decade because people realized the advantage of smaller bore. I understand the development of mk1 through mk3, but the mk4 really is neat since it's the scraps of a failed project intending to improve a rifle that had been around for only a decade and despite mass production nobody could agree on it being better at all or that it should be adopted. They didn't even get the main problem of the brass foil cartridge figured out for the mk4 because they decided rebarreling for brass drawn cartridges would be pointless. So they produced a mk4 with negligable improvement from a project doomed to fail because the original rifle and the .406 were made even more obsolete by the lee metford.
I think the device demonstrated at 20:48 would also help with suppressing the firearm, as the rounds would be sub-sonic.
Using a Pez dispenser to describe firearm function. If that ain't C&Rsenal ingenuity I don't know what is.
So the pez dispenser is a better magazine choice? Now I've got to put one on the tactical loaded AR platform next to the wire cutting corkscrew bottle opener.
The Gatling gun cartridge, is that the same one mentioned in the old Long Lee episode?
I'm a simple man, I see guns made before the Invention of Jeans (1873) I click.
Add the pez to the penguin toy, scissors and toothpick dispencer as weird representations of loading tools.
Zulus be like "Oh please Othias, give us a break"
A classic
God damnit I’m never gonna be able to get away from that hedgehog
“What’s you favorite martini so far?”
Shaken not stirred
What about the 303 version
I slay people on my 32v32 hardcore conquest server on battlefield 1 with the martini henry.
Any Chance Mae could do a 'Rapid fire' of this?
Othias for barn moving committee chair.
I wonder if the rework "A" pattern the original action if they would not be used for civilian 20 gage shotguns ?
They made a bunch of surplus usable in a different market. Which cost everyone something.
19:50 👍...it is almost as good as “these Penguins”.🐧... Hail the Channel.. never change!
So, all the Mk IV was a debacle that cost 225.000 pounds for nothing. Well, one protected cruiser of the same age (Blake class) would cost 440.000 (armament NOT included). One Battleship (and UK build 3-4 per year on average in 1885-1905), depending of type and characteristics, between 800.000 and 1.800.000 each
Small arms, small potatoes.
I tried introducing my girlfriend to ballistol, she said “oh I already found it and used it for something”😊. I love that stuff
@C&Rsenal you mention at 38:05 ish 'italian arms journals'... Any name of those?
👍👍👍
Is there any info on the load / boolit being used in your videos?
Or is that TH-cam verboten? :P
Is that a assault Pez-magazine?
More henerys
I belive that mathias is wrong when he refers to the cartridge as a martini cartridge. the name of the rifle refers to the martini action and the henry designed rifled barrel. There for following war department nomenclature the round should be refered to as a henry round and having skimmed through the literature the ammunition is often refered to as .577/450 boxer henry, long case 450 henry, .577/450 short case and variants there of. The basis of this naming convention being that the bullet is designed to use the unique pattern of henry rifiling and should be distinguishedas such in the naming to avoid confusion.
Nothing personal Mathias, I am just very picky about getting facts right. If I'm wrong then please feel free to enlighten me.
Any chance you could make the 3D models of these available? I'd love to 3D print a prop Martini Henry! (Maybe not a Mk IV, though, after watching this video...)
You can try asking Bruno. These models aren’t totally to scale, and they don’t model the outside. They likely wouldn’t make a functional model of the rifle’s internals without a bunch of tweaks
”Dikpol”, I admit, I giggled.
I tried using it for cleaning really crusty guns. Also as a lube when pollishing metal parts with stones. Ehh,
#cnrnotifactionsquad
How long before the wobblies try to ban the high capacity pez magazine?
Why no music when firing?
Sparkbrook....Brum?
Mmm lever action candy.
Not 577/450 when the MkIV was first manufactured.
Don't you DARE bash the WD40 or JB Weld!! Yes I do Love me! some Ballistol too! you just need to know what is best for Witch Broom?
In my area WD is Best for Storage and general purpose lube. Yes I DIY my BP bore butters, historic gun and bullet lubes, leather treatments, and Cosmoline.
Yes I worked as a Hydraulics tech with all types of hi tech lubes from Aero to Pharm and all environments from food grades to OX rich or reactive.
...and Mae disappears in a cloud of smoke.