History of WWI Primer 045: British Long Lees (Metford and Enfield) Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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I'd just like to say a big thank you to Othais, Mae and the crew for having me out. It was a real thrill to be asked to participate in the new clip. Great episode and eagerly looking forward to its continuation in the next instalment.
britishmuzzleloaders As high of quality as we come to expect. was awesome to see the appearance.
britishmuzzleloaders I've been a subscriber to your channel for a few months already and I love your drill videos. they're amazing
Great! Thank you very much..... Great place this as well, though....
britishmuzzleloaders Thanks to your videos I know what "controversial marks of ammunition" Othias mentions at 1:07:10.
Ahh! a conscientious viewer. Well done! An, of course, that's why you are here at C&Rsenal!...
Actually the Poor Royal Navy eventually hung on to the SMLE till about 1969. Reason being we have a lot of ammo, and don't fight with rifles, that's what the Army are for, so don't need to replace them. Except- as my old RN small arms instructor said' The Andrew (Slang for RN) didn't account for people like me using a 1000 roudns a week for private use.'
gotta do something while you are under way, and random pieces of flotsam make great targets
I love britishmuzzleloaders so much...
His delivery is superb, and his breadth of knowledge unmatched. Glad to see an official tie in from him!
King Charles needs to appoint Rob "Keeper of the Imperial Moustache"
@@HarryFlashmanVC David Fletcher of The Tank Museum would be a contender. ;) (I like to revisit C&Rsenal, it's like seeing an old friend again.)
As an English man living in France, I salute your battle cry at 35:14.
rofl
I wish I could set it as my text notification now...
C&Rsenal you know. I would buy that as a ring tone.
Now release a video with line being looped over and over.
caveymoley Without the British the French would have got overrun by the Germans the Germans had numbers France did not have numbers but you British did. I respect your nation I am glad to call you a allie
"O *bleep* the French!!!!!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That was great!
As a surplus military weapons geek, I must say your videos are fantastich, they bring me much joy. please keep them coming?
Every other week
britishmuzzleloaders is one of my most favorite channels. He is passionate about British firearms. I watch every single video of his channel and C&Rsenal's as well. Love to see the cooperation!!
Louie Lam I guess I’ll have to check them out with all the kudos I see here!
Very informative! Procurement by committee, it's the British way! Looking forward to the SMLE. Used to fire these as a cadet 13-14 yrs old in the 1970s.
I didn't expect to see britishmuzzleloaders when I opened this video.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISI,........
Our chief weapons are surprise, mustaches, the Long Lee Enfield, the Lee Metford, a galaxy of Martini-Henrys, devotion to the Queen (Gawd bless 'er) and...
Love it.
britishmuzzleloaders ...and kilts, Dear Lord, I almost forgot kilts.
And a bayonet...with some guts behind it.
What about ruthless efficiency? Surely there is room in there for some of that, too?
Nice work! Thanks for including the Lee's shortfalls during the Boer war. Very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
very true, just had a thought. the Zulu wars forced a repeater into service, Afghanistan force accuracy and long barrels , the bore war brought it all together
That dig at the french at 35:14 had me break out in corpsing laughter.
A very well done vid! It was long and I had to watch twice but I don't know how else it could have been done. Thanks for the hours you put into it.
Even after the second viewing 35:08 that is HILARIOUS.
Three years later, I still laugh out loud every time
I love these presentations, format, evaluations. Keep up the good work Othias & Mae!
Just another wonderful episode! I just love the job you guys do!
Rimlock is an ammo-related problem, most of the time. At least today it is. Original Mk VII .303 cartridges had rims which were beveled at the rear so they could slide over the next cartridge instead of locking onto it's rim.
Did you fill the chargers correctly? "One rim back, one forward, one back, one forward, one back". That allows the rounds to settle into two stacks in the magazine, and usually prevents rim lock.
Although I'm sad that this video isn't "Primer 045 MkII" or MkI*...
Ha - love the new intro - and can't wait for new content from both channels!
Again, WOW! What a fantastic video! I think I'm finally getting a handle on the British rifle designations. Thanks for the lesson
I own a British 303 and LOVE IT! It is my deer hunting rifle and has never let me down ! GREAT RIFLE !
Othias, Othias....ahhhhh...at 16:15 you mention 1 Sergeant and 3 enlisted men of the "123rd Royal Welsh Fusiliers" and raised the hackles of the land of my fathers. It should be 1st Btn, 23rd Regt of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) for that 1880 date. They must have worked fast because later that year the 1st Btn was sent to India. You do such a fabulous job but I just had to mention rhis. Cymru am blyth!
Great video guys!! I also subscribe to britishmuzzleloaders and it was great to see him on your channel.
Can't wait for more of your videos! Proud to be a fellow Carolina citizen.
Awesome presentation, thanks for your hard work.
Dear all. Just like to thank you for all the effort you guys have put into this series. The level of detail is simply encyclopedic.
I was just wondering, Does any one know why the head of Enfield at the time advised the committe against the rimless version of the .303 cartridge?
I can't seem to find it in any of the online historys of the .303. That said, and having watched Marks video on head spacing (Anvil 39), I suspect that worries over maintaining the required production tolerances of both the rifle and the cartridge case may well have contributed to the decision. Given the levels of accuracy and repeatability available in the 1880s ( Gauge Blocks were not invented until 1896) it was probably a valid concern.
Thanks for taking the trouble to update and clarify the "spare magazine" issue. In addition to going out of your way to keep your content 100% accurate the manner of your update was outstanding. Thanks again to both the C&R team and British muzzle loaders.
We get by with a little help from our fiends.
such a great well connected video! my father & 2 brothers were on Gallipoli (1 is still there he was a champion shot but was downed by a shell before he reached the firing line) some of the NZs were still using the long tom & burns from the barrel were a problem , a guy mentioned this in a home letter & was accused of subversive activity! My dad (South Canterbury Mounted ) said the Long Tom seemed more accurate than the short Mk 111 ,funny thing my brother in law ( WW2 survivor) said same thing ie. a he saw more exceptional shooting with the "old" Tom than later marks. he was a keen shooter before army serviceHe should have known he want through Greace, Western desert & Italy (went with 34...4 returned) He did one hell of a lot of fighting & used every gun he came across
WHY will no one tell me why my cat constantly licks his nether regions while watching these videos? What secret cat licking technology do you employ ???!!
Your cat is a secret agent! The kitty spy agency better known as CAT cat agency tactics. To keep our world free from dog world control.
THAT WAS THE BEST INTRODUCTION THE FRENCH HAVE EVER GOTTEN
I can't stop laughing
I sent it to both my partners, I can't 😂🤣
In the late '60's and into the '90's, I collected Lee-Enfields. This was a time when I could pick up a No4 T w//scope for under $200. Try that today.
Anyway, my collection ran from a CL-MLE, to No. 1's (8 ea) No. 2's (2 ea), No. 4's (13 ea) a single N0. 5 and a replica Aussie No. 6.MKI. All with bayonets.
Because of this, I consider myself some what knowlegeble about the Lees.
I still found your Primer #045 interesting.
The only comment I can suggest is that Mae should keep the rifle mounted on her shoulder, instead of dropping it to waist level to operate.
I have noticed her doing this in other videos as well.
Am I the only one who is under the impression that Rob here is the English cousin of Ron from Parks and Recreation?
I’ve always thought they looked similar.
Seeing the original Lee Enfield and hearing "Soldiers of the Queen" reminds me of the ending of "Breaker Morant".
Well done Othais and Mae, very enjoyable and informative.
I still prefer this over the G98, for the simple reason that it has a larger mag.
Wonderful video! I've been looking forward to this one for a while. A Lee-Enfield (the SMLE, mind you, but still) was my very first firearm.
I find the song in the shooting segment quite lovely.
Totally thought I was on the wrong video when I saw britishmuzzleloaders opening.. I had just watched his No1mk3 Video!
Magazine cut off; another one of management's better ideas. Loved by the brass, hated by the troops. I wonder how many of these rifles, like yours, some how managed to lose the cut off?
The magazine cutoff was a great idea at the time the Lee Metford was adopted. Without clip loading, your practical rate of fire whether using the magazine or not was essentially the same so in general firing it would be reasonable to use single shot. The magazine would then provide you a brief, rapid series of shots when needed.
In particular the opening of the battle is likely to be at longer ranges when slower more deliberate fire is needed, so using the magazine then would provide minimal benefit.
Through the life of the Lees British doctrine actually reflect this concept in that you were supposed to try to reload after firing five rounds but, if needed, you still had five in reserve. And loading five twice is effectively the same time usage as loading ten once.
Once clip loading was introduced that all changed and there was no reason not to constantly use the magazine. The cut-off stuck around on the SMLE primarily as a sort of safety. You could easily load ten rounds, close the magazine cut-off and close the bolt with to have your rifle loaded with the chamber empty. And in drill and training it allowed the NCOs and officers to easily see what you were doing.
Mae mentioned the dust cover dragging. I have a long lee that didn't come with a dust cover. however I was able to find an original dust cover. Upon installing it, I found it dragged a fair bit, causing a once smooth bolt operation to be a little rough. Were these covers originally fitted to each rifle individually?
For awhile it looked like the British were Charlie Brown trying to kick the football on repeating arms, but some invention/administrative decision kept pulling that football back.
Great episode with fantastic research
I know I'm a month late to the party, but the 35-minute mark made me laugh WAY too hard. I've watched that bit three times and I'm still giggling like an idiot.
Great and informative video. Looking forward to part two.
James Lee is my spirit animal.
I say there is some forest Rob-bery going on here!
Excellent to see some great channels working together!!
puns, my only weakness
you mean punishment? I'll show myself out...
Great video,thanks Stuart.
Hi, great vid. Was Mae doing an impression of Yankee Marshall at 1hr27? Very good impression too.
Just found your channel and am already loving it! your hard work as just gained another subscriber.
Nice!
I had a feeling britishmuzzleloaders would show up at one point
Great, another channel to immerse myself into. :). Off to go watch to changes.
-Jen
Fantastic intro!
As I am sure you know, from watching Rob on British Muzeloaders or Mike on Bloke on the range, the 'Mad Minute' did not exist as such. The British Infantryman was required to load and fire 15 well aimed shots per minute not 30-+!! Yes, it can be done but is a total misconception. I own 2 .303's and have always found the stripper clips difficult to use. Nice piece.
Awesome episode, great work!!!!!!!!
39:25 this to me is wild so many issues caused by rimmed cartridges all becouse of one guy..
can you do a video on the 1796 light cavalry saber
God, that gun at the end was shooting, what, 30 MOA? Never thought I'd see a cartridge-loading Brown Bess.
Will you be doing a video on the Enfield 2A1?
Could you touch on the Lees that were rechambered in .308?
James Paris Lee is one of those inventors who has been forgotten due to other well-known inventors in today's modern times. C&Rsenal does a fantastic job in keeping history alive. Check out "James Paris Lee and His Contributions to Firearms" video presentation on my channel which focuses on Lee's contributions and development to firearms during his time.
If Othais is getting 3 hours of sleep, where are the 21 hour long episodes?
Is it historically accurate to wear a kilt commando?
you'll be surprised but yeah they are
_yeah they are_
Brrr!
I thought you were asking about Commandos in kilts at first.... just google the Raid on St Nazaire.... No 5 Troop of 2 Commando...
Commandos are experts at knife fighting technique. How else would they be able to get at their dirk quickly?
What happens when you google Commando Commandos in kilts?
the rim lock in your charger loading is due to how the bullets are lined up in the stripper clip, each bullet has to be lined up one rim ontop and infront of the other, the bottom bullet should be pointed in an upwards direction. this will fix all your rimlock problems, took me ages to figure out.
Nah, we tried several combos. The CLLE was a jam o matic. Don't worry more guns to go.
C&Rsenal thans for the reply, very strange not something you would want to find out in the field with your life on the line! love the channel keep up the good work guys!
You've changed all the rifles in the racks! What happened to the Remington Model 8?
Lost to the void
Unofficial update! Ian over on Forgotten Weapons put up a video (September 15th, 2020 or so) of a Mark I Lee-Metford if you want to see one in the flesh
Great video. I wonder if you have enough info to do a video on the Enfield 1898 LEC1 (Lee EnfieldCarbine) that Canada used. (Sometimes with shortened mags)
great video. I just subscribed.
do u have a video of all the british guns of 1800s...
Well researched, well done.
I just wanna drop a reference
SCOTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
This is all because of the british tendency to stick with 'what worked' and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My guess is they had the 'guard' units, similar to what the turks had. Guys with less reliable repeaters to get rid of enemies at close range that were trying to break through.
Saw rob instantly upvoted. I am a simple man.
AWW FUCK, THE FRENCH!
love it!
In 1880, 1 SGT and 3 Enlisted Soldiers were changing the course of Firearms/World History!
I had to replay 16:09 several times for that to sink in.
I have to give HUGE Props to the October 1879 Machine Gun Committee for allowing actual Junior Enlisted/NCO to do the tests and pick the best Rifle instead of some Self Important Well Connected Bureaucrat Officers that would never have to depend on the Rifle in Life or Death Circumstances👍
You can learn more about Officers like these here: th-cam.com/video/ir0FAa8P2MU/w-d-xo.html
or by visiting your Local Pentagon or West Point👎
Keep it up
Lewes is like Louis. Or loo-iss.
Was May intentionally dressing like Indy from The Great War, or is that a coincidence?
HEY! That Enfield is ready to blow up in your face! Look at the bolt popping up a little bit when it fires. It's threatening to blow out the breach, take it to mark and have him cut a dovetail in the receiver where it wears out the headspace. File back the dovetail to reset correct and safe headspace.
I lost it at "Ah f***, the French!" Well done with your narrative.
Yep! "Fuck the French!!!" as their new Lebel 1886 made the rest of the world shit their pants!
@@GendanoGungakusha And in 1914 made them snicker.
Does anyone have any good links for information on the Owen Jones and Gardner Rifles? I can't seem to find any solid information on their mechanisms.
Just the book source
what gun is above Mey's head on the rack? is that a stutzen? maybe a carcano?
The current episode!
Ah, I get it now. Well played and timed
Pity may wasn't schooled on how to load with charger clips properly ,rim lock is modern ammo issue ( rim profile ) & you missed the upgraded bolt head with built in charger guide but otherwise very good
Rims still snag even when stacked “properly”. Which seems to be a relatively modern standard because period ammo was stacked several ways from the factory from what I’ve seen.
Just spent an hour looking for the "ah, F#$%, the French!" episode..worth it!
whats the bottom gun at 13:58
I keep expecting Mae to pull out a C96 and start blasting away like Han Solo
So you can use spitzer bullets with these?
I mean, they come out
Oh okay
I just bust my gut when he said "Ah fuck the French."
I opened this video to see I had apparently disliked it, WTF TH-cam I would never do that.
Technically this video should be renamed Primer 045*
Add a star for every time they need to redo a take? Or are titles not allowed to be that long? :-D
@@aussiebloke609 Whenever the British made a modification to their small arms, they would either add a Mark number or a star. For example, the No.1 Mk.III* differs from the No.1 Mk.III primarily with the omission of the magazine cutoff and volley sights.
So, this might be obvious to others, but I just found out so I thought I'd post it here. I recently read an open letter written to the _Times_ in 1879 by a Sergeant Major of the British army. He noted that the introduction of the breech loading Martini-Henry had resulted in such an increase in the rate of fire that the barrel would get very hot, and therefore if a soldier quickly fired more than ten or so rounds, he couldn't hold the rifle around both stock and barrel and was forced to _"allow the wood to rest on his left [hand], pinching it as hard as possible to keep it steady; but as to using his bayonet with any hope of effect, this is out of the question, for a child could almost knock it out of his hand"._ He blamed this for the inefficacy of the bayonets used against the Zulus at Isandlwana, but went on to strongly recommend that military rifles in future should _"have a concaved thin piece of wood"_ fixed above the barrel between the sights to protect the hand from being burned when the bayonet was in use during combat. This advice appears to have been taken on-board with the design of the lee-series rifles which had a much greater rate of fire. It also explains the presence of wooden furniture over the barrel on these guns and others of the period, but not on earlier, slower firing military rifles and muskets.
Ooh nice.
lancer D case of a old authority on musketry,British had the same problem after the Boer war alot of so called experts wanted the British army to adopt a mauser action, mausers are great hunting rifles, great target pieces but they aren't equal to the Lee Enfield as a combat arm note the p-14/Enfield 1917,a great target piece
But a slow badly balanced gun despite it's use by two world powers it was never the soldiers first choice, hell even Indian soldiers preferred single shot martini Henry's to it!
Some British troops wrapped leather hide around the barrel to counter-act it becoming too hot to touch.
@@royperkins3851 If you say so. But still a good joke.
@@royperkins3851 As a boy I read some of the tales of the Defence of Rorke's Drift.
Soldiers allegedly called for wet cotton cloth to wrap around their rifles.
Those legs... that kilt... those socks... that mustache... all we need now is to get Othais in that getup and my life will be complete
I mean, I have a kilt...
It has begun...
Othais? I thought that was Mae!
C&Rsenal do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it
Othais in a kilt? I’m not 100% sure he has legs! Never seen him stand... Love the videos 😎
Love the new version! britishmuzzleloaders is an amazing channel and it tickles me to see you working together though I was confused at first. Love this new version, now I have to watch it all over. Well, I want to anyway.
Mae should grow a big mustache.
I thought that was Mae in the intro. The skirt has me confused. She might get a little wax on that upper lip to take care of that little beauty problem area there.
C&Rsenal Please review the fedorov avtomat.
My Great Grandfather was a RIfleman in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps, 3rd Bn (60th Rifles) - joining in 1899 as an 18yr old, serving in the 2nd Anglo Boer war through to 1915 - he carried both the Long Lee and the SMLE during his time of service. As a fellow collector of LE's - I'm sure my Grt Grandfather would approve of this video as well. Cheers!
one of the best parts of this series is all the effort you guys make to capture the full sound of all the weapons firing. Most other gun channels don't or can't do that, and everything ends up sounding virtually identical. This is an amazing work of documenting history (I mean the whole series, not just this episode :P).
I appreciate that. We put some thought into the microphones
35:14 just for those who want to hear one of Othias' best lines ever.
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"I prefer the kind of cocking action where I'm pulling it back into me" -Mae
caveymoley oooooooh matron!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂👍🏻
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For double entendre fans this episode was a peach...
SNURK SNURK FNARRR FNARRRRR!
The best sources of information are those you can trust to update themselves when they discover a mistake. You have passed the test with flying colours (yes that is how my people spell colours) thank you for the update and an excuse to watch a great piece of work again.
We now just want Bloke and cap&ball to join in,
Look what you've done, you've summoned him. Now he's going to want to talk about Swiss rifles!
Well, that and 40 ways to shoot over a highway.... :-)
Come, come, now.... the mighty Bloke!?.. Titan of Neutral-European, cerebral, mountain shooting?
And not forgetting Ian and Carl.now you know my Favourite U T sites. THANK's to you ALL.:)
Three of my favourite channels in one comment thread? I must've died and gone to heaven. All I need now is a blessing from Gun Jesus aka Ian from Forgotten Weapons.
Great southern rebellion? By chance was this round abouts 1860's?
Speaking from the northern side of the Potomac, that's actually a cool name for it.
@@anthonyhayes1267 defintely more fitting than war of northern aggression *ahem* Fort Sumter
chinmoy808 Very true
No it was not
Fort sumter was illegally taken by a Union major. Sumpter was confederate by succession, the major on order of lincoln held the position. The confederacy tried to solve it peacefully. Going as far as to ask lincoln to order them out. Lincoln said no so they tried to smoke them out
I thought the re-upload was a mistake, so I'm rather glad that I clicked anyway!
lazaglider I had thought the same which is why I came here looking (hoping) to find a comment like yours!
So it's not the same video then?
35:14 best moment 😂
Nanda Faris thank you! Had to go back as I missed it the first time!
so the 1866 was basically a 19th century submachine gun
Yep
I think Assault rifle would be more accurate, but you're in the ballpark.
@@Horus_the_Lupercal well 44 Henry is definitely a piatol cartridge