I wonder if Simon has ever met Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?
I'm surprised they didn't get that picture with "Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the British Royal Armouries" along with that MP3008. I'm sure he'd have hooked George up.
11:03 the _Museo della guerra_ ("Museum of war") in Rovereto, Italy, should have an Armaguerra Model 39 rifle on display, on loan from the Beretta technical collection IIRC. Armaguerra folded at the end of World War II and its military/firearms manufacturing assets were bought by Beretta, including all stocks of guns and prototypes that ended up in Beretta's technical reference collection.
This video brings back bad memories for me. I started my gun collection when i was a young man, well before the Internet was a thing. I had a buddy offer to sell me a pistol that looked like a drunk had beaten it out of sheet metal on a flat rock. The price was a whooping $40. I thought i was smart by turning it down and several years later i learned it was a liberator pistol.
Shitzen ! a liberator is a collectable garbage gun if you find an original, and modern copies are out there. It was the only gun in history that could be made (built) faster than it could be reloaded. Cheap stampings, crimped and spot welded together in under a minute actual build time. One source says 7 seconds on the production line. * It is terrible to shoot, painful, so better as a prop in your collection.
Craziest thing in the Leeds museum mentioned at the end of the video are spears issued during WWII. Cheap pipes with WWI bayonets welded on. These were issued to civilians in likely Sealion invasion areas. Sealion was obviously impossible, but the UK did everything to make it more brutal than Okinawa. I really do think they would have done an Okinawa or worse.
German here. Due to high losses of equipment at Dünkirchen, there had been only enough weapons in Stock (?)/ storage to equip regular troops. This, and the fact that for reason of british gunlaw of 1923 only few citizens owned firearms, at first most companies of newcreated Homeguard had only the few private firearms of members, often only shotguns, muzzleloaders or .22lr rifles. This pikes ( Not spears!) had been an emergency weapon ( Notbehelf).
I was looking for some others that are really not known, and were more specialized for unconventional warfare. Things like the Liberator (granted it has become more well known in recent years) that was a single shot .45 acp pistol dropped behind enemy lines in France. Another would be the De Lisle carbine. A .45 acp suppressed bolt action carbine used by very few people, usually on covert operations behind enemy lines. The Welrod assassins pistol developed by the Brits and used by intelligence agents behind enemy lines. A more commonly used but little known would be the 1941 Johnson rifle and the Johnson light machine gun. Both in 30.06 and used by US Marines, the Dutch, and the Black Devils Brigade.
I never heard of the Johnsons or the other one. I feel like Simon has talked about the Liberator, and how bad it was multiple times though. Same with other channels. I think it is more well known than you think. The first and last SMGs look like the opposite of bullpup. Have 90% gun that uses 10% barrel! I actually never heard of the 1913. What a gun for the time with all the features. Reminds me of the Browning, yet has a barrel change ability, and suffers from the same issue of low ammo capacity.
correction: drop safety with open bolt gun has nothing tobdo with the sear. it happens when the bolt is closed and you drop the gun on its stock which causes the bolt not to move back far enogh tobnot catch the sear but far enough to pick up a cartrige. as the bolt moves forward again the fixed firing pin causes the round to go off. that was solced by putting in an extra sear that catches the bolt early or by fixing the bolt in place in some way like safety notches in the receiver or the grease gun dustcover.
The Swedish Husqvarna submachine gun, used by Danish and Norwegian resistance, deserves an honorable mention. And speaking of any enthusiast with lathe, there is a lot of Stengun knockoffs made in all occupied countries in this period.
Austen, the Owen alternate. Most seem to have ended up post-war in Rhodesia. There was also an Austen MK 2, which only reached the prototype testing stage, but at least one of which survived in 'private hands'
@@seanlander9321range has no bearing on SMGs when they'll all be firing at 150 yards or less. You also pulled the accuracy claim out of your ass. With first-hand experience with shooting a M3A1, I can tell you that the gun is plenty accurate due to its ease of control since it has no recoil. A higher cyclic rate isn't a good thing all the time. MAC-10/11s fire extremely fast, but you don't see armies adopt them.
C is a stupid letter. It doesn't have its own sound and kan either be an S (or Z) or a K. It needs to be dropped from the alphabet. Same with X (replace with KS) and Q (replace with K). Any kwestions?
Don’t assume that all “blow back” guns are the same. The M39 wasn’t simple blowback like most SMGs. It uses a form of lever delayed blowback design(similar to that that the FAMAS would later utilize). This feature was how the Davunia design was capable of firing the significantly more powerful 9x25 cartridge without weighing more than an MP40.
I thought for sure you would include the US made United Defense M42 Marlin SMG. It's hardly known, but was was used and loved by the SOE, OSS, and resistance.
Pau Kiràly is generally recognized as the creator of level-delayed blowback, in which a pivoting rebated lug locks into the side of the receiver, and the rearward force of the fired cartridge swivels it sideways with just enough pause between the bolt unlocking and the cycling of the action to allow sufficient dwell time to lower terminal chamber pressure. There aren't a lot of level-delayed blowback guns seen in the postwar world, but both of the notable ones are French: the AA-52 light machine gun, and the FAMAS
@@Adelina-293 Have a look at the New Zealand hedge cutter vids... 15ft solid steel blade powered by a 10.9 litre diesel engine mounted on a tank recovery vehicle chassis Had that appeared on the battlefield....
My one of my favorite WW2 German pistols is the Sauer 38H. Little 8 round 32 acp, with a decocker and RECOCKER which is wild and one of the only pistols I can think of that has one. Very very cool.
Had not heard of the Orita . . . but was also not aware that Romania was involved in WWII. Maybe this video should be about lesser known countries? Great info on the other oddballs.
Why is Simon so confidently saying 'carsano'. Instead of Carcano? The Italian rifle😊. I went and checked that I hadn't been pronouncing it wrong for the last 30 years. I haven't...
Danuvia 39M and 43M magazines were totally different and could not interchange them. The ammo was the same. It both could be equipped with the 35M bayonet.
Yes thank you Simon, I think most of us know how most smgs function. Besides that I did not know about the first 4 mentioned guns. However I did know about the German copy of the Sten gun.
I wouldn't think it possible, but I found a mispronunciation of something that annoys me far more than the extremely common mispronunciation of "Garand" (which Simon also fell victim of).
One of the few designed advantages of the Sten was that you could fire well aimed shots in the lying down prone position due to the horizontal magazine. Only German engineers in copying the Sten could have fitted a vertical magazine and removed this one of the few advantages.
It is said that the appearance of the Danubia submachine guns are deliberately look similar to an ordinary rifle if the magazine is folded. That time mostly officers had submachine guns, and conscripts only had rifles. So, the officers were easy to pinpoint by enemy snipers from their weapon. But since Danuvia was similar looking to an ordinary rifle it was harder to tell from a distance who is an officer, and who is a common food soldier.
You missed the Australian Owen sub machine gun; 'the diggers darling' Evelyn Owen was 16 when he began development of the gun. Initially rejected by Australia which was awaiting the Sten to finish development. By May 1940, Owen had enlisted in the army and was set to deploy to the Middle East, but after speaking about his design to the manager of a local plant of Lysaght, who had an interest in the design, Owen was transferred to the Central Inventions Board. In June 1941, Owen was discharged from the army and began to manufacture the Owen gun. After conducting tests in September that year, the Owen was found to be more accurate and reliable than competing designs such as the Sten and Thomson. The Owen proved superior to the other weapons and having been variously immersed in water, mud and sand, it also proved itself almost impossible to jam while the other weapons faltered and eventually became unworkable. Approximately 45,000 Owens were produced from 1942 to 1944 at a cost of $US24 each. The Owen gun proved popular with soldiers in the Pacific. New Zealanders fighting in the Guadalcanal and Solomon Islands campaigns swapped their Thompsons for Owens, as they found Owen guns to be more reliable. During the gun's life, its reliability earned it the nickname "Digger's Darling" by Australian troops and many of the Australian soldiers who had used the Owen came back to personally thank the Lysaght team as they believed the Owen had saved their lives.. General Douglas MacArthur considered equipping American troops in the Pacific with the Owen. It was used by the Australian Army from 1942 until 1971seeing service in Korea and Vietnam.
The MG-13 sounds like Germany's version of the BAR, but they knew when to swap it out. Like the American BAR is iconic and would have been far more decent, but the fact that it had 20 and 40 round magazines for what essentially was the precursor to the Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), it was merely a great concept that needed work and probably one of John Browning's only flops in my book. The thing did work as in it did fling lead down range. It's just in practice that when you have 500+ rounds per minute firing gun being fed by a magazine, the efficacy between you having that with probably 1-2 magazines vs another M1 Garand with like 7-10 clips of bullets that you can generally pin where you're aiming becomes questionable.
And Simon talking like 500m sighting is at all useful for a subgun. Most subguns aren't effective beyond a couple of hundred metres, let alone 500. Having sights for 500 is wishful thinking lmao
@@TheRealMinotaur667 yeah you could put a 20x scope on it, but 500m is well past the effective range of pistol cartridges(magnums excluded, probably) Like if you aim at the exact same spot and shoot 20 times, you’d be lucky to hit where you want even once
9x25 mm Mauser is not necessarily more 'powerful' than 9x19 mm parabellum, the cartridge is just longer. Actual power depends on the particular bullet weight and powder load. I do not know whether the longer cartridge can tolerate higher pressures (enabling a higher theoretical maximum power) nor do I know which particular load the Hungarian forces were issued. I'm also pretty sure “Carcano” is pronounced “CarKano”, not “CarZano”.
Should include the United Defense M42 Submachine Gun. Not officially adopted by any Nation, but a favorite of European, Burmese and Chinese resistance fighters.
Wow, so many guns used, so many missed off the list, but then again, so many larger calibre guns not making the list. Might be worth considering for a future episode - just make sure George takes a picture of all those featured that are in museums 😂
You briefly showed a Johnson battle rifle in a clip on a wall. I actually saw one in person before, very cool concept that almost beat our the m1. It's odd mag design still exists in some ruger rifles. However, it's a detachable design now.
I'm sad that self loading rifles for my Italy never been made in high numbers I would like a semi auto 6.5 Carcano i know I can do work to rechamber a custom rifle but it wouldn't be the same
Well these actually are some more of the deep cuts of ww2 weapons. I prefer gun jesus but it would be cool if he wrote a few episodes for you as you reach a completely different audience.
@@kreiner1 Gun Jesus is a nickname for a beloved firearm's TH-camr, Forgotten Weapons. Surprisingly enough his channel comes up if you even search gun jesus lol
- The Carcano isn't called "Car-sar-no", it's pronounced as "Car-car-no". - The MP3008 was actually very well known because at that point of time, all major German factories in late-1944 and 1945 were totally bombed out of the maps and without any certain ways to produce quality arms as quick as it's 1940 all over again, the engineers saw what the Polish had done, underground of Warsaw with their own ripoff of the STEN and with the Germans having captured tons of STEN themselves, they saw the potential of how cheap and quick they can make the STEN with just the simplest of tools and parts and went ahead with the MP3008 project. All the did was rotate the magwell from the sidefeed to the bottomfeed style and made it work. It did okay for the defense of Berlin but again, it came way too late to save the Reich. Quite alot was later surrendered to both the Western Allies with those who managed to flee Berlin with it and also, the Russians who captured them as they took down Berlin. More lesser known guns of WWII should have the M1941 Johnson rifle and LMG and the French MAS-38 SMG. - The Johnson as it's often called, was a direct competitor to the M1 Garand but it came too late to compete as the M1 Garand was already in US service since 1935 and it wasn't until about 1939 that Johnson can produce his rifle for testing but at this time, the military wasn't really needing new rifles cuz the M1 Garand, in their eyes, was exceptional. However, war hits the Pacific in 1942 and with the war drums already beating hard by 1940, the Dutch had lost their country in 1940 and with the Dutch East Indies being their last stronghold, they bought up whatever rifles Johnson can make. He did send about 2000 rifles to the forces in the Dutch East Indies in 1942 but then the Japanese came and the Dutch got beaten out and the inventory got stuck again. Fast forward a few months and this time, the US Marines were trying their best to defend the Pacific and they had a problem.. They were lacking in semi-auto rifles as they wern't on the priority list to get the M1 Garands thus they went searching and found the M1941. They bought up whatever stock Johnson had and purchased a few more to be made for their troops that's heavily fighting in the region and the Marines loved it. They even pushed the gun to be adopted rightfully for the Marines but the US Ordinance dept rejected the idea but still sent the rifles to the Marines as they needed it for a stopgap. Back in Europe, the Free French also needed weapons and the US was rearming them. Now with remaining stocks of M1941, they gifted the French about 10,000 Johnsons which, the French, also loved. Sadly, the Johnson was still never officially adopted. Somehow, some of them also landed in China and was used by the KMT then subsequently by the CCP during the Korean War. The LMG variant would also see usage by various allied spec ops group during the war, most notably the Paramarines and the Devils Brigade. The Johnson LMG uses a 20rnd single stack box magazine whereas the M1941 rifle uses an internal rotary magazine that can be fed by 5rnd M1903 Springfield stripper clips or single loads while holding 10rnds internally making it holding 2 more rounds than the M1 Garand and all variants fires the .30-06 round. - The French MAS-38 came at a time where SMG was being the new hot weapon that military wants and France was one of the last nation to ever hop onto the trend. The French, being French, decided that during the interwar periods, they didn't need any submachine guns despite the calls for it was very loud and by 1936, they realized they fucked up and was busy scrambling for SMGs which they remembered that they actually had a design for it during the early 30s that they rejected so they took that design out, tested it, worked and implemented as quick as they can in 1938 thus, the MAS-38. However, they couldn't make alot of it as by the tooling and all were done, it was mid 1939 and that's when Hitler slammed into France, took the nation out in a month and thus all official French production stopped. The Germans would try making a few of them but records of how many that the Germans made were unknown but official French records stated a little short of 2000 MAS-38 was made prior to the invasion. It saw abit of action being used by French Resistance who had a few with them and it was also somehow saw action in Italy being used by the Communist partisan who captured and executed Mussolini. It saw more usage post-war being used by the French Gendarmarie (The French Police) and also later on, in limited numbers, in Indochina. It fires the French 7.65mm Longue round in a 32rnd box magazine.
Once again, the kbsp wz. 1938M was not mentioned. Whether it was used during World War II is a highly debatable topic; nevertheless, by July 1939, some 150 kbsp wz. 38M were produced and were on the equipment of the Polish Army, undergoing tests in line units. Still, it is an interesting and little-known rifle.
"But, I mean, what are you gonna do? It was late in the war and nothing was ideal for the Axis military powers at that time." Regret the "Axis" part of that statement? Italy seemed to do that rather practically. The MP3008 is reverse-engineered from the Sten because German industry was sooo sophisticated that it had apparently forgotten how to make a Bergmann MP-18.
While mechanically the Sten was basically an MP 28, it had quite a few changes in order to ease mass production, it was not just an MP 28 copy (the Lanchester was more of a copy). The MP 3008 copied the Sten as it was all about mass production and copying was a lot easier and faster than doing it themselves.
Correction on the Orita and open bolt SMGs - you stated that it would pick up a round and fire it if you banged it on the ground while cocked. If the weapon were cocked the bolt would be held by the sear and would be pretty much drop proof. The open bolt flaw only happens if the bolt is already forward (not cocked) and was dropped with sufficient force to send the bolt back far enough to pick up a round, but not far enough to engage the sear.
@@silverii089 As the owner of 2 NFA registered open-bolt full-auto SMGs (MP40 and postwar West Hurley Thompson 1928) I have to disagree. The poster here is absolutely correct, Simon's writer got it slightly wrong. The sear usually holds the bolt pretty well, though it's not entirely impossible for it to slip. The common failure discussed here and in the video requires the bolt to to uncocked, in the forward position. If the rear/butt portion of the weapon is smacked hard enough, the bolt bounces open, fails to catch/lock open and then fires (since open-bolt SMGs always fire instantly upon bolt closing). This happened most often while troops were hopping out of transport trucks, because they would often accidentally hit the back of their weapon on the bed/tailgate of the truck while it was slung over their shoulder (resting on their back).
@silverii089 What do you mean "LMAO"? Don't act like you understand the weapons if you haven't studied, disassembled, serviced, &/or fired (at least) 1K rounds through similar/relevant weapons platforms. You're obsessively defending a creator, despite an obvious mistake, while I'm one of the sources personally interviewed by Gilles Messier for the Thompson video. I know these weapons and their history, in and out. It's my literal day job. What you are doing is exactly how urban legends and internet rumors get started.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni TY. True comment, I would add Blow Back , or most BB actions can be locked in the open bolt, or rearward position via a notch in the slide of the action, usually back and up. Safer, but puts the recoil spring at full compression, and only for temporary use, or cooling the action when hot.
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 88 | คู่เอก "ป้อมเพชร vs อัสลามจอน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZqTVVbMgbo/mqdefault.jpg)
Seeing Simon talk about guns is such a treat even if I know he doesn't have a clue what half the script means.
Simon should do a collaboration with Ian McCollum.
He’s does know plenty I guess. Given that he made everything by himself back in the days
@dougbotimer8005 as much as I'd love to see that.
No. Please god no don't do that to gun jesus.😅
Guns aren't that complicated, even Americans can understand them.
The general.premise to all his channels his oblivious intelligence is quite remarkable
I wonder if Simon has ever met Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?
I'm surprised they didn't get that picture with "Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the British Royal Armouries" along with that MP3008. I'm sure he'd have hooked George up.
@robertstallard7836 In his defense, Nazis are, in fact, bad.
Simon is actually Jonathon's son and their grandfather is Ian McCollum. Betcha didn't know that!
@robertstallard7836 Zeeee Germanzzzzzz
@@Superplumsalso the lizardpeople are coming in 2021 and the goverment is hacking our brain waves with soft drinks and nanobots
at 00:04, thats the Arnhem war museum 40-45 where I work at. amazing to see part of our collection show up in this video!
0:55 - Chapter 1 - The orita M1941
4:50 - Chapter 2 - The danuvia 39M/43M
7:50 - Chapter 3 - The armaguerra mod.39
11:10 - Chapter 4 - The MG13
15:20 - Chapter 5 - The MP3008
It's crazy how everyone still misses the mkb42
Love seeing the Forgotten Weapons callout. If anyone loves firearms history, Ian McCollum is a living legend.
I will also recommend the Royal Armouries channel with Jonathan Ferguson.
George is an absolute legend of writer, Simon is lucky to employ him. Dude is an absolute gem, so knowledgeable.
Question: Is Simon the boss/owner of these channels or is he simply employed as a narrator?
11:03 the _Museo della guerra_ ("Museum of war") in Rovereto, Italy, should have an Armaguerra Model 39 rifle on display, on loan from the Beretta technical collection IIRC.
Armaguerra folded at the end of World War II and its military/firearms manufacturing assets were bought by Beretta, including all stocks of guns and prototypes that ended up in Beretta's technical reference collection.
In 1970's Bavaria our unit armory still had the M3A1 grease guns. After a little lobbying I was issued one- such fun to shoot!
I thought: this video needs Forgotten Weapons or I will be disappointed. I was not disappointed!
All hail Gun Jesus 🙏😅
Indeed I was expecting guns like Reisings and PPS. Never heard of these guns outside of Forgotten Weapons.
dude! spoiler alert
Armaguerra Model 1939 Semiauto Rifle: th-cam.com/video/sZ9IACssv2Y/w-d-xo.html
Kiraly 43M: Hungary's Overpowered Submachine Gun: th-cam.com/video/JWQFtRId85U/w-d-xo.html
Romanian Orita Model 1941/48: th-cam.com/video/N0uM0UNBA18/w-d-xo.html
Portugal's MG-13: the M938 Light Machine Gun: th-cam.com/video/RPuxu1fG5sw/w-d-xo.html
German Sten Copy: MP 3008, aka Gerät Neumünster: th-cam.com/video/0eDkGAAPA2E/w-d-xo.html
And because it's cool Johnson M1941 Rifle: th-cam.com/video/aY19tDMDvr4/w-d-xo.html
This video brings back bad memories for me. I started my gun collection when i was a young man, well before the Internet was a thing. I had a buddy offer to sell me a pistol that looked like a drunk had beaten it out of sheet metal on a flat rock. The price was a whooping $40. I thought i was smart by turning it down and several years later i learned it was a liberator pistol.
Shitzen ! a liberator is a collectable garbage gun if you find an original, and modern copies are out there. It was the only gun in history that could be made (built) faster than it could be reloaded. Cheap stampings, crimped and spot welded together in under a minute actual build time. One source says 7 seconds on the production line.
* It is terrible to shoot, painful, so better as a prop in your collection.
No intolerable preamble, just a short intro then right to the subject. Thank you !! Excellent video 👍👍
Craziest thing in the Leeds museum mentioned at the end of the video are spears issued during WWII. Cheap pipes with WWI bayonets welded on. These were issued to civilians in likely Sealion invasion areas. Sealion was obviously impossible, but the UK did everything to make it more brutal than Okinawa. I really do think they would have done an Okinawa or worse.
German here. Due to high losses of equipment at Dünkirchen, there had been only enough weapons in Stock (?)/ storage to equip regular troops. This, and the fact that for reason of british gunlaw of 1923 only few citizens owned firearms, at first most companies of newcreated Homeguard had only the few private firearms of members, often only shotguns, muzzleloaders or .22lr rifles. This pikes ( Not spears!) had been an emergency weapon ( Notbehelf).
Simon and the crew did pretty good describing the way these weapons work.
He definitely just went on holiday and pretended it was for work
I was looking for some others that are really not known, and were more specialized for unconventional warfare. Things like the Liberator (granted it has become more well known in recent years) that was a single shot .45 acp pistol dropped behind enemy lines in France. Another would be the De Lisle carbine. A .45 acp suppressed bolt action carbine used by very few people, usually on covert operations behind enemy lines. The Welrod assassins pistol developed by the Brits and used by intelligence agents behind enemy lines. A more commonly used but little known would be the 1941 Johnson rifle and the Johnson light machine gun. Both in 30.06 and used by US Marines, the Dutch, and the Black Devils Brigade.
I never heard of the Johnsons or the other one.
I feel like Simon has talked about the Liberator, and how bad it was multiple times though. Same with other channels. I think it is more well known than you think.
The first and last SMGs look like the opposite of bullpup. Have 90% gun that uses 10% barrel!
I actually never heard of the 1913. What a gun for the time with all the features. Reminds me of the Browning, yet has a barrel change ability, and suffers from the same issue of low ammo capacity.
It is still possible to get the plans for the MP3008 today. Some are reportedly being used in the ongoing civil war in Myanmar. Allegedly.
Wouldnt want to go up against a M134 Minigun using one of those.
correction: drop safety with open bolt gun has nothing tobdo with the sear. it happens when the bolt is closed and you drop the gun on its stock which causes the bolt not to move back far enogh tobnot catch the sear but far enough to pick up a cartrige. as the bolt moves forward again the fixed firing pin causes the round to go off. that was solced by putting in an extra sear that catches the bolt early or by fixing the bolt in place in some way like safety notches in the receiver or the grease gun dustcover.
MG13s did also use 75-round saddle drums giving for a much more effective weapon.
The Swedish Husqvarna submachine gun, used by Danish and Norwegian resistance, deserves an honorable mention. And speaking of any enthusiast with lathe, there is a lot of Stengun knockoffs made in all occupied countries in this period.
Especially the Polish ones that included the English factory markings to obscure the source.
The Taiwanese Sten’s are interesting too…
How about Lahti L-39 and Suomi KP/-31 atleast from Finland aswel :) I mean the Lahti L-39 even has skis on it!
The Owen Gun? The most reliable and accurate submachine gun of WWII, and the cheapest.
Austen, the Owen alternate. Most seem to have ended up post-war in Rhodesia. There was also an Austen MK 2, which only reached the prototype testing stage, but at least one of which survived in 'private hands'
You misspelled Grease Gun.
@@Off-HandedBarrel Na, the Owen had greater range and accuracy, and a higher rate of fire. Try again.
@@seanlander9321range has no bearing on SMGs when they'll all be firing at 150 yards or less. You also pulled the accuracy claim out of your ass. With first-hand experience with shooting a M3A1, I can tell you that the gun is plenty accurate due to its ease of control since it has no recoil. A higher cyclic rate isn't a good thing all the time. MAC-10/11s fire extremely fast, but you don't see armies adopt them.
@@TheStig505na yeah na Aussie Owen gun by a mile works in sand,mud,water ,kind regards Roy Bennett Wollongong NSW Australia
Everytime Simon says 'Alright' at the start of a chapter he sounds like he's trying to do Jamaican Patois
George, Old Boy: excellent research and writing. Interesting, and I learned things.
The pronounciation of Carcano grates me... it's supposed to be a K sound. But hey what do I know?
C is a stupid letter. It doesn't have its own sound and kan either be an S (or Z) or a K. It needs to be dropped from the alphabet. Same with X (replace with KS) and Q (replace with K).
Any kwestions?
Don’t assume that all “blow back” guns are the same.
The M39 wasn’t simple blowback like most SMGs. It uses a form of lever delayed blowback design(similar to that that the FAMAS would later utilize). This feature was how the Davunia design was capable of firing the significantly more powerful 9x25 cartridge without weighing more than an MP40.
I thought for sure you would include the US made United Defense M42 Marlin SMG. It's hardly known, but was was used and loved by the SOE, OSS, and resistance.
Pau Kiràly is generally recognized as the creator of level-delayed blowback, in which a pivoting rebated lug locks into the side of the receiver, and the rearward force of the fired cartridge swivels it sideways with just enough pause between the bolt unlocking and the cycling of the action to allow sufficient dwell time to lower terminal chamber pressure. There aren't a lot of level-delayed blowback guns seen in the postwar world, but both of the notable ones are French: the AA-52 light machine gun, and the FAMAS
Perhaps lever delayed blowback?
haven't seen it but im going to guess that you include the Charlton. those crazy ass Kiwis made a fully automatic Lee-Enfield.
They also made the Bob Semple, the tank of tanks that could've ended the war by merely appearing in Berlin.
@@Adelina-293
Have a look at the New Zealand hedge cutter vids...
15ft solid steel blade powered by a 10.9 litre diesel engine mounted on a tank recovery vehicle chassis
Had that appeared on the battlefield....
9:00 that's a soviet SVT-38 rifle
17:12 that's a Polish Błyskawica submachinegun (Błyskawica pistolet maszynowy)
Please make more of these!!!
My one of my favorite WW2 German pistols is the Sauer 38H. Little 8 round 32 acp, with a decocker and RECOCKER which is wild and one of the only pistols I can think of that has one. Very very cool.
Had not heard of the Orita . . . but was also not aware that Romania was involved in WWII. Maybe this video should be about lesser known countries? Great info on the other oddballs.
Why is Simon so confidently saying 'carsano'. Instead of Carcano? The Italian rifle😊. I went and checked that I hadn't been pronouncing it wrong for the last 30 years. I haven't...
Does this count as blasphemy against gun jesus? (Ian: forgotten weapons)
George is a legend! Thanks for the pictures!
Danuvia 39M and 43M magazines were totally different and could not interchange them. The ammo was the same. It both could be equipped with the 35M bayonet.
8:16 Hebrew on the Sign! "רובה איטלקי" 😁
Yes thank you Simon, I think most of us know how most smgs function. Besides that I did not know about the first 4 mentioned guns. However I did know about the German copy of the Sten gun.
Most interesting video with knowledgably written scripts. Btw at 14:55: I rather think the belt is upside-down.
Orița M1941 side by side with MP40 also in the Romanian Navy Museum in Constanta. Also ZB rifle next to Kar98k and an MG 42
Hey Simon, when talking about a Carcano rifle, it’s pronounced “Kar-KA-no,” not “Kar-SA-no.” Other than that, great video as always.
It wouldn't be a Simon Whistler video w/o mispronunciations.
Ya I heard that and was like, "The what???"
I wouldn't think it possible, but I found a mispronunciation of something that annoys me far more than the extremely common mispronunciation of "Garand" (which Simon also fell victim of).
Scrolled too far for this comment. I cringed everytime he would say it.
Typical English lack of giving a shit about the conventions of other languages. And for just making up ways to say words.
Good job on this video. Very nice guys!!
Owned a mint VG-1 for around 25 years. It was an interesting piece.
I always thought that a collab. video with Ian McCollum and Steve 1989 would be worth watching. Gun Jesus and Ration Jesus together at last.
I dunno if Ian would risk the oldest ration tests , but steve would likely look into the guns.....That idea is beautiful-TY ;)
"Lets get that on the tray.... Niiiice"
@@Sidewhineder Perfect reply ;D after the range we could get some scotch into Ian, and maybe then he would try a 1973 ration ;D
With a slight modification, the Magazine from the MG13 can be used in an Egyptian Hakim rifle. It is a beast with a 25 round + mag ! Just a thought.
One of the few designed advantages of the Sten was that you could fire well aimed shots in the lying down prone position due to the horizontal magazine. Only German engineers in copying the Sten could have fitted a vertical magazine and removed this one of the few advantages.
It is said that the appearance of the Danubia submachine guns are deliberately look similar to an ordinary rifle if the magazine is folded. That time mostly officers had submachine guns, and conscripts only had rifles. So, the officers were easy to pinpoint by enemy snipers from their weapon. But since Danuvia was similar looking to an ordinary rifle it was harder to tell from a distance who is an officer, and who is a common food soldier.
Food soldier????
love the enlisted pic at 8:08 🤣🤣
"Austrian Armband-Enthusiast" is my new favourite way phrase to call the Chaplin-impersonator
😂 I have a replacement, for little moustache guy?..
The Danuvia arguably had the best ammunition of the entire war for a SMG. 9mm Mauser Export was an excellent round.
That was a great topic! Very cool, thanks! BTW, I bet the curved rifle is on the video. I was wrong, lol. I guess they were too common.
I don't know about forgotten some of these gun I've never heard of at all
You missed the Australian Owen sub machine gun; 'the diggers darling' Evelyn Owen was 16 when he began development of the gun. Initially rejected by Australia which was awaiting the Sten to finish development.
By May 1940, Owen had enlisted in the army and was set to deploy to the Middle East, but after speaking about his design to the manager of a local plant of Lysaght, who had an interest in the design, Owen was transferred to the Central Inventions Board.
In June 1941, Owen was discharged from the army and began to manufacture the Owen gun. After conducting tests in September that year, the Owen was found to be more accurate and reliable than competing designs such as the Sten and Thomson.
The Owen proved superior to the other weapons and having been variously immersed in water, mud and sand, it also proved itself almost impossible to jam while the other weapons faltered and eventually became unworkable.
Approximately 45,000 Owens were produced from 1942 to 1944 at a cost of $US24 each.
The Owen gun proved popular with soldiers in the Pacific. New Zealanders fighting in the Guadalcanal and Solomon Islands campaigns swapped their Thompsons for Owens, as they found Owen guns to be more reliable. During the gun's life, its reliability earned it the nickname "Digger's Darling" by Australian troops and many of the Australian soldiers who had used the Owen came back to personally thank the Lysaght team as they believed the Owen had saved their lives.. General Douglas MacArthur considered equipping American troops in the Pacific with the Owen.
It was used by the Australian Army from 1942 until 1971seeing service in Korea and Vietnam.
Wonderful introduction video about that matter related to WW2......thanks for sharing
The MG-13 sounds like Germany's version of the BAR, but they knew when to swap it out. Like the American BAR is iconic and would have been far more decent, but the fact that it had 20 and 40 round magazines for what essentially was the precursor to the Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), it was merely a great concept that needed work and probably one of John Browning's only flops in my book. The thing did work as in it did fling lead down range. It's just in practice that when you have 500+ rounds per minute firing gun being fed by a magazine, the efficacy between you having that with probably 1-2 magazines vs another M1 Garand with like 7-10 clips of bullets that you can generally pin where you're aiming becomes questionable.
Simon, check out the Owen sub machine😮 gun. It's Aussie worth a show..
Thanks gorge
The first one…The thought of trying to shoot it out to 500 meters is funny😂Side of Barn MOA😂
And Simon talking like 500m sighting is at all useful for a subgun. Most subguns aren't effective beyond a couple of hundred metres, let alone 500. Having sights for 500 is wishful thinking lmao
@@TheRealMinotaur667 yeah you could put a 20x scope on it, but 500m is well past the effective range of pistol cartridges(magnums excluded, probably) Like if you aim at the exact same spot and shoot 20 times, you’d be lucky to hit where you want even once
@@HyBr1dRaNg3r Absolutely. Deviation is just too high at that sort of range for that sort of cartridge.
I think the mod 39's cocking action assumes the shooter is hooking up the sling in the left arm. It would basically operate like a pump shotgun.
George is the hero of this vid!
Open bolt SMG's are less accurate, but considering what they do, accuracy with the first shot is not as important as a rifle's.
Huh didn't know about 2 3 and 5 good script George you taught me something
Trying to be “Forgotten Weapons” without actually having a sample of said weapon, but instead “we’ve got a picture!” 😂
What, no JOHNSON?
Still a fair few guns that didn't hit popularity but were used in wwII that need to be covered.
Love the Lanchester.
That was a brahmer 🥰
Should do one of these videos for each country in the conflict. By each country, I mean EVERY country haha
That would be GREAT
Thank you, George!
9x25 mm Mauser is not necessarily more 'powerful' than 9x19 mm parabellum, the cartridge is just longer. Actual power depends on the particular bullet weight and powder load. I do not know whether the longer cartridge can tolerate higher pressures (enabling a higher theoretical maximum power) nor do I know which particular load the Hungarian forces were issued.
I'm also pretty sure “Carcano” is pronounced “CarKano”, not “CarZano”.
Should include the United Defense M42 Submachine Gun. Not officially adopted by any Nation, but a favorite of European, Burmese and Chinese resistance fighters.
Wow, so many guns used, so many missed off the list, but then again, so many larger calibre guns not making the list. Might be worth considering for a future episode - just make sure George takes a picture of all those featured that are in museums 😂
"we're only going to be able to make a limited number of them, lets use the same round as the MP40 but a different magazine design"
"brilliant"
You briefly showed a Johnson battle rifle in a clip on a wall. I actually saw one in person before, very cool concept that almost beat our the m1. It's odd mag design still exists in some ruger rifles. However, it's a detachable design now.
The video game Enlisted has all but the first gun currently in the game. The closest most people will get to firing the real thing.
Yeah, I was just about to cimment this. Very fun game.
@@jcola477 lol. Like minds think alike
I'm sad that self loading rifles for my Italy never been made in high numbers I would like a semi auto 6.5 Carcano i know I can do work to rechamber a custom rifle but it wouldn't be the same
Carcano is prouncounced with a hard C sound. KarKano....not Carsano...
Thought the SOE pistol the WELROD might have been on the list but no, what a shame!!
Thanks Simon
14:57 ish...is that from a museum? With the ammobelt upside down?
Have you done a review on the Australian made Owen gun ?
Owen was the best gun ever made by an unskilled local boy, some say the best of WW2.
Anyone else here just to bask in the searing heat created by the pure speed of the 'but actually' crowd splitting the air into pure plasma?
Wish and hope that this weapons will be added in future Call of Duty and Battlefield games.
The rifle shown at 9:04 is an SVT38 a Russian rifle
"For every P08 luger" -shows footage of Walther P38
I own a 1944 Finnish VKT M 39. I love the gun.
Thanks George
Well these actually are some more of the deep cuts of ww2 weapons. I prefer gun jesus but it would be cool if he wrote a few episodes for you as you reach a completely different audience.
What is a Jesus gun
@@kreiner1 Gun Jesus is a nickname for a beloved firearm's TH-camr, Forgotten Weapons. Surprisingly enough his channel comes up if you even search gun jesus lol
@matt3570 thank you 😊
never clicked so quick
I'm still waiting for the a-1 skyraider video
And he also managed to miss the maxon machinegun which was in the 1st 2nd up to modern day going back to 1883
Exactly!
- The Carcano isn't called "Car-sar-no", it's pronounced as "Car-car-no".
- The MP3008 was actually very well known because at that point of time, all major German factories in late-1944 and 1945 were totally bombed out of the maps and without any certain ways to produce quality arms as quick as it's 1940 all over again, the engineers saw what the Polish had done, underground of Warsaw with their own ripoff of the STEN and with the Germans having captured tons of STEN themselves, they saw the potential of how cheap and quick they can make the STEN with just the simplest of tools and parts and went ahead with the MP3008 project. All the did was rotate the magwell from the sidefeed to the bottomfeed style and made it work. It did okay for the defense of Berlin but again, it came way too late to save the Reich. Quite alot was later surrendered to both the Western Allies with those who managed to flee Berlin with it and also, the Russians who captured them as they took down Berlin.
More lesser known guns of WWII should have the M1941 Johnson rifle and LMG and the French MAS-38 SMG.
- The Johnson as it's often called, was a direct competitor to the M1 Garand but it came too late to compete as the M1 Garand was already in US service since 1935 and it wasn't until about 1939 that Johnson can produce his rifle for testing but at this time, the military wasn't really needing new rifles cuz the M1 Garand, in their eyes, was exceptional. However, war hits the Pacific in 1942 and with the war drums already beating hard by 1940, the Dutch had lost their country in 1940 and with the Dutch East Indies being their last stronghold, they bought up whatever rifles Johnson can make. He did send about 2000 rifles to the forces in the Dutch East Indies in 1942 but then the Japanese came and the Dutch got beaten out and the inventory got stuck again. Fast forward a few months and this time, the US Marines were trying their best to defend the Pacific and they had a problem.. They were lacking in semi-auto rifles as they wern't on the priority list to get the M1 Garands thus they went searching and found the M1941. They bought up whatever stock Johnson had and purchased a few more to be made for their troops that's heavily fighting in the region and the Marines loved it. They even pushed the gun to be adopted rightfully for the Marines but the US Ordinance dept rejected the idea but still sent the rifles to the Marines as they needed it for a stopgap. Back in Europe, the Free French also needed weapons and the US was rearming them. Now with remaining stocks of M1941, they gifted the French about 10,000 Johnsons which, the French, also loved. Sadly, the Johnson was still never officially adopted. Somehow, some of them also landed in China and was used by the KMT then subsequently by the CCP during the Korean War. The LMG variant would also see usage by various allied spec ops group during the war, most notably the Paramarines and the Devils Brigade.
The Johnson LMG uses a 20rnd single stack box magazine whereas the M1941 rifle uses an internal rotary magazine that can be fed by 5rnd M1903 Springfield stripper clips or single loads while holding 10rnds internally making it holding 2 more rounds than the M1 Garand and all variants fires the .30-06 round.
- The French MAS-38 came at a time where SMG was being the new hot weapon that military wants and France was one of the last nation to ever hop onto the trend. The French, being French, decided that during the interwar periods, they didn't need any submachine guns despite the calls for it was very loud and by 1936, they realized they fucked up and was busy scrambling for SMGs which they remembered that they actually had a design for it during the early 30s that they rejected so they took that design out, tested it, worked and implemented as quick as they can in 1938 thus, the MAS-38. However, they couldn't make alot of it as by the tooling and all were done, it was mid 1939 and that's when Hitler slammed into France, took the nation out in a month and thus all official French production stopped. The Germans would try making a few of them but records of how many that the Germans made were unknown but official French records stated a little short of 2000 MAS-38 was made prior to the invasion. It saw abit of action being used by French Resistance who had a few with them and it was also somehow saw action in Italy being used by the Communist partisan who captured and executed Mussolini.
It saw more usage post-war being used by the French Gendarmarie (The French Police) and also later on, in limited numbers, in Indochina.
It fires the French 7.65mm Longue round in a 32rnd box magazine.
You can see the MG-13 in Downfall, great movie
A glossary would have neen nice for those of us who live outside of America/Switzerland/Afghanistan.
The 44m needs to become a Star Wars rifle.
Great video, a small correction wiuld be that Carcano is pronounced Karkano, not Karsano
Once again, the kbsp wz. 1938M was not mentioned. Whether it was used during World War II is a highly debatable topic; nevertheless, by July 1939, some 150 kbsp wz. 38M were produced and were on the equipment of the Polish Army, undergoing tests in line units. Still, it is an interesting and little-known rifle.
What about the M1941 Johnson Rifle or Johnson Light Machine Gun?
@0:20 oh stalingrad- how i miss you. I knew you well. Made a version of you for codmw
"But, I mean, what are you gonna do? It was late in the war and nothing was ideal for the Axis military powers at that time."
Regret the "Axis" part of that statement? Italy seemed to do that rather practically.
The MP3008 is reverse-engineered from the Sten because German industry was sooo sophisticated that it had apparently forgotten how to make a Bergmann MP-18.
While mechanically the Sten was basically an MP 28, it had quite a few changes in order to ease mass production, it was not just an MP 28 copy (the Lanchester was more of a copy). The MP 3008 copied the Sten as it was all about mass production and copying was a lot easier and faster than doing it themselves.
You drop any charged M4 or M16 series rifles the fire also.
New glasses, Simon's looking more and more like a Harry Potter creature every day.
Correction on the Orita and open bolt SMGs - you stated that it would pick up a round and fire it if you banged it on the ground while cocked. If the weapon were cocked the bolt would be held by the sear and would be pretty much drop proof. The open bolt flaw only happens if the bolt is already forward (not cocked) and was dropped with sufficient force to send the bolt back far enough to pick up a round, but not far enough to engage the sear.
You didn’t listen clearly and it is totally possible
@@silverii089 As the owner of 2 NFA registered open-bolt full-auto SMGs (MP40 and postwar West Hurley Thompson 1928) I have to disagree. The poster here is absolutely correct, Simon's writer got it slightly wrong. The sear usually holds the bolt pretty well, though it's not entirely impossible for it to slip. The common failure discussed here and in the video requires the bolt to to uncocked, in the forward position. If the rear/butt portion of the weapon is smacked hard enough, the bolt bounces open, fails to catch/lock open and then fires (since open-bolt SMGs always fire instantly upon bolt closing). This happened most often while troops were hopping out of transport trucks, because they would often accidentally hit the back of their weapon on the bed/tailgate of the truck while it was slung over their shoulder (resting on their back).
@@dark2023-1lovesoni lmao whatever you say
@silverii089 What do you mean "LMAO"? Don't act like you understand the weapons if you haven't studied, disassembled, serviced, &/or fired (at least) 1K rounds through similar/relevant weapons platforms. You're obsessively defending a creator, despite an obvious mistake, while I'm one of the sources personally interviewed by Gilles Messier for the Thompson video. I know these weapons and their history, in and out. It's my literal day job. What you are doing is exactly how urban legends and internet rumors get started.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni TY. True comment, I would add Blow Back , or most BB actions can be locked in the open bolt, or rearward position via a notch in the slide of the action, usually back and up. Safer, but puts the recoil spring at full compression, and only for temporary use, or cooling the action when hot.
I am personally sad that you guys didn’t cover the Type 4, the Japanese literal carbon copy of the M1 Garand