Peugeot Expert New Eolys Tank Won't Work? P1434 U1F3C No Communication B1811
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- Pat fluid Eolys Tank No Communication issues?
diagnostic assessment tests & software delete configuration of the diesel additive tank.
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I have the exact same issue on my van, which is the Citroen equivalent of this van.
Power at the pump is a steady 14v with engine running, this was load tested with a test light and also by connecting the additive pump inside the tank directly to the power line, which causes the pump to operate as expected.
Ground is good and verified by continuity test and also by test light.
LIN bus signal present with the correct voltages observed.
Communication with the new tank is verified by the new serial number of the module being read correctly by the diagnostic machine.
Spoke to a couple of specialists and they both confirmed that the new tank MUST be programmed by a main dealer with their software, because the vehicle needs a software update to allow the new tank to work.
Took mine to have the tank programmed in at a main dealer and they successfully carried out the programming which removed the faults in the PADDGO module.
However, the faults in the BSI module still remained and the dealer showed me a TSB which pointed to the fuel tank or wiring loom being at fault.
At this point I just programmed out the additive tank to remove the fault lights.
This was a year ago and I have been running without additive ever since. I can confirm that I have not had any DPF issues since, in fact my DPF is sitting at 2-3mbar at idle and does a regeneration every 800 miles or so.
The additive does not actually help to clean the DPF, as so many people assume. What it actually does is causes the smaller particulates, which would normally pass through the DPF, to clog together which creates larger particles that can then be caught by the DPF, hence reducing the emission of these tiny particulates. Mine has recently passed an MOT emissions test, so I can say first hand that running without the additive does not mean an MOT fail.
My DPF reaches the correct temperature and does regenerations at the correct times, keeping the DPF at optimum conditions, and it’s also not collecting all of the additive in the DPF which as we know, eventually leads to the DPF becoming full of additive and requiring replacement.
Thought this would help anyone out there with the same issues.
Thank you.
Really helpfull.
It's criminal just how complex and prone to failure these modern diesels have become.
This is the first video ive seen of you not able to fix it properly. Thats for uploading it and keeping it real. When i can't fix stuff i get vexxed 😂 and the broken thing gets more broken with brute force.
Man after my own heart 🤣🤣
Thanks Jimmy for showing it warts and all. Not many would have the guts.
But the great thing is, its a time for your supports to give back for the tutorials and insights you have given us.
I’ve found this fault on a friend’s work van also…there was a problem on the entire CAN network that was bringing the hi side short to ground…traced it back to part of the loom under the passenger seat rubbing against the body. The network was still partially functioning but would trigger various faults including loss of communication with modules intermittently.
This pump connects via LIN
Technology gone wrong , these modern day diesels are a pain in the arse nowadays for us in the job , and of course the owners, i thinkbwe need to join the magic circle and buy a magic wand 🪄 Jimmy 😂, you certainly tried with this one 👍💯
Peugeot used to be the best diesel you could get, nowadays I’d stay away from one, I’ve always driven diesel cars or vans and I’m really not bothered about buying a newer one I’ll stick with nothing older than a 2016 model at least I’ll know that there’s not as much technology on them,
That’s not a canbus signal that looks like a linbus signal.. also your power and ground tests were not valid, the circuit needs to be loaded when testing for accurate results.. if your 100% confident you don’t have a faulty pump then you need to load test the power and ground wires and get a scope on the lin signal to see what’s going on. If your pump is good you will find your issue at the plug.
The only things I can think of at the moment are bad data communication and insufficient current to operate the pump. It's possible to have a voltage present but there still be a resistance in the wiring that causes the voltage to drop when a load is applied.
If you have a suitable length of spare wire and can identify the positive terminal in the pump connector, then you can try measuring continuity from, say, the battery positive to the pump positive. If there is a relay involved, it could be a bad relay somewhere.
Aside from this, I notice you didn't check any counters such as mileage to see if any had reached a critical value to artificially stop the system working.
I did the programming of a new tank that resets that
RE: bad data communication and insufficient current to operate the pump
Thats right. That is why you should use test light for checking the power.
Always test your powers and grounds loaded ie test light or you could always miss high resistance in a wire
I use a Loadpro its saved my bacon many times ...............So right what you said.
Just working with what I had to hand in the van. I rarely get involved in electrical issues so don't have a great deal of tools or experience in this area
@@ORileysAutos Loadpro is a cheap DMM attachment that puts an electrical load on the circuit to check if the 12v or 5v is actually getting to the component under test. A flaw with all DMM is that it will show 12v even when the wiring is faulty or the earth is dirty and wont allow a Full 12v electrical load to be carried by the wire/circuit. th-cam.com/video/MdgnUADDH9o/w-d-xo.html
@@ORileysAutos it's always a learning day in this game before I do most jobs I have to educated myself one way or another lol
Just a test light with a bulb will pick up a cracked fuse the meter probley won't
I've seen a few 3008 with all sorts of problems lately I won't even touch them like you said French motors seam to be in a bad league of there own lol
Also love yours videos mate keep up the good work
We have this problem all time Jimmy. Berlingos fine . However dispatches and the van you've got we use cannot do em with aftermarket scanners. We have to get another diag tech in with diagbox software (citroen OE) Does it no problem. The fuse is in passenger footwell for berlingos . Not sure about these tho. I've done a dispatch and got it clicking but that damn light won't go out until diagbox has been used. Also the tanks even though look same have to be ordered to registration as some of numbers are different. Hope this helps.
Crazy as the ecu EDC17C60 is same on berlingos and dispatches with the 1.6 PSA . Its like that kia you did other day. Its wrong as you should be able to do it with any decent bi directional scanner.
I have a 2013 308 that had a tank fail, I tried using a 2011 tank while I was waiting for a new part to arrive, but wouldn't communicate. What I found was tanks are programmed to communicate to the ecu and each year/model might be programmed slightly different. Order OEM tank that corresponds with the cars Vin number. Peugeot's way of making money.
Good luck, thank you very much for the video.😊
Hi Jimmy I took some measurments from a car with no problems Unfortunately I didnt use my Dealer turbo 5million just a multimeter. Engine idling, Yellow wire 14.7v, Green 11.1v, yellow green good earth. ( critics; yes I know green is just a average voltage from the LIN and by earth I'm refering to battery ground ; ) ) Hope this is usefull.
Hi Jimmy, you used your DMM to check the power to the tank. Did you try loading the circuit with an incandescent bulb to confirm that neither the power and ground are dying under load?
Blimey, has the owner not heard of a vacuum cleaner !!
I had exactly the same issues one one of these and did the same "fix". At least the adblue and DPF are intact.
Привет Джимми. я дам вам ответ. Для диагностики причины вам необходимо войти в блок дополнительной присадки EOLYS и посмотреть параметры. В параметрах вы скорее всего увидите полную емкость заправки 1,44 и остаток присадки (в моем случае это было 3%). Этим вы также проверите соединение LIN. Потом вам нужно заправить бак соответствующей жидкостью, в вашем случае это синяя банка (коричневая жидкость). Далее, поскольку в баке присадки нет датчика уровня, нужно сделать сброс управляющего компьютера БЕЗ замены бачка. Для машин после 2015 года нужен онлайн доступ а также прибор psa lexia ( можно китайский). Сброс через меню двигателя, там есть два способа, ничего сложного. И посоветовать в будущем заправлять машину как можно реже ( каждый раз полный бак), поскольку при заправке вы откручиваете горловину бака (там есть датчик - геркон + магнит), что провоцирует впрыснуть дозу eolys в топливо.
The dealer tool will probably sort it we've had this issue before done loads of tanks, but the odd 1 we have had to take it to the stealer
Had the same Issue with a Toyota Proace. The new Eolys module needs programming. Took it to a Toyota dealer. They couldn’t do it so had to take it to a Peugeot dealer who were able to complete the programming.
I had the same error P1434, P1435 and B1003 on a peugeot 2017 II 1.6 blue hdi.Replaced the reservoir but could not get the pump to start. Only in the authorized service they started the pump, through the server.
I think, if you are only adding the additive, do not go to the tank replacement option, but only the additive filling option.
You could maybe tip a bit of Eolys fluid into the fuel every time you filled up?
That's a good idea, only thing is it's expensive and carcogenic.
You'd need to have gloves on to be safe.
They've stopped using that stuff now on the modern ones and just sole ad-blu
You should check DTC codes and Live Data in an
Additive Tank Ecu allso to solve this problem.
Message to owner .
Buy 1 L Pat fluid from Euro carparts
Buy seringe
Every time you fill up add 20 ml pat fluid
Keep the £3000
Problem solved
Did you used that method, it's actually not a bad idea..
Yes I did on my c5
@@platinum0009any troubles afterwards because, im going to use you 150iq idea
No troubles
Worked like a dream
@@platinum0009 Yhea i ordered the pat fluid and i will use your methode. I will surely let you know
Been looking into this problem, and something I've seen that rings bells is the mileage of around 112000 miles. Saw it on a C4 forum with regards to EOLYS etc. This van is on 112000, and my partner possibly has a fault in this area and her car is 112105......spooky..?
Programming eloys off will give future dpf faults! The reason you have these 2 fault codes is because you need to program the new tank with dealer tool! Older peugeot citroen models are easy but newer ones need programmed online with official subscription.
I've programmed lots of these with my tool. Something else going on maybe software issue
@ORileysAutos I do only diagnostics for a job and have programmed dozens of 2015 on eloys tanks! 98% have to be done online, Like I said earlier models are easy with aftermarket tools.
Btw if your planning doing this job for a few more years you need dealer diagnostic kit believe me.
@@royritchie4184 where do u get them from
@@royritchie4184there’s no way independents can afford to subscribe to all these different manufacturers
Done quite a few of these and at least 50% need to be programmed with the PSA service tool I pay for a day and use my Bosch passthrough
hi jimmy - did you ever find out the end result of this?
I had one today, 2019 peugeot partner - had same codes, multiplex additive pump fault. So i fitted a genuine tank BUT the numbers didnt match. Firstly I wondered whether this might be the issue. Secondly, I wondered if the later peugeots (2017 onwards) either need to go to the main dealer to be coded or maybe software updated to make the new pump work?
I ended up having to take the tank off the customers van, re-fitted the old one, and told him he needs to possibly take it to Peugeot for coding. - I didnt want to risk leaving the tank on, in case they end up fitting another new tank and throwing it away or something. Also customer would have had to pay twice and i didnt charge him for tank as i removed it.
are you thinking that the later peugeots can be refilled and reset by Launch diagnostic but maybe not replaced and programmed by the Launch?
thanks for any help - i know you are busy but I am keen to know the answer and to be able to help my customer. I also have a tank i filled and cannot return now unfortuantely unless i find another van that needs it and can get the tank programmed.
thanks
will a defect in the eolyse system effect regenaration cycles???or is the car going to regenerate without the eolyse??? i have a p 1445 on an expert 2 from 2014 with an 2.0 liter hdi(eolyse level to high???) anyway great content on your videos,love m!!!!
He's close to the DPF limit. 112000 miles is 180246 kilometres
Had the same problem with a 208, after replacing the tank with a new original one, the new one comes "clean" and needs recoding with a PEUGEOT scan tool.
C’mon Jimmy! You’ve got voltage but do you have current?
Test with the circuit working… ie plugged in and loaded using a back probe or put a bulb on the wire
No current flow no voltage drop
i had same issue with a 66plate DS3 1.6hdi same codes about multiplex addative pump not communicating, power and linbus all fine, it needs official diagbox software with online mode on, clones will not work on this years model, it seems the cut off when it needs online telecoding is 2016, 66plate onwards needs diagbox online to communicate to peugoet to program the pump.
i have a clone cable and box, but using the official diagbox and paying peugot for a 7day token online to then program the thing in.
another fix if its just the pump thats gone you can unclip the bit where the pipes connect and just change the motor out, the board if you look at where the 3pins go onto the pcb youll find that they are not soldered just pushfit, alot of them can be fixed by soldering these 3 points then it good to go
You cant win them all Jimmy,Diagnose Dan territory on this one .
I have the Citroen version of this van and the ABS sensor on the rear wheel failed ,but it was break in the wiring loom going to the sensor that was the fault, I kept using the van while I was waiting for the new sensor to arrive as the scan pulled up a failed sensor,however it also shut down the power steering one day and threw up other faults all because of the break in the wire to the sensor. Modern vehicles are a pain in the *rse.
Had this on a Toyota proace, required our dealer software and to be locked to psa, They programmed it on line, it was a ball ache!
Your the best😎😎😎😎😎
I have one of these vans drive amazing but these faults I’ve changed everything pretty much bar the engine with Peugeot nightmare adblue and senses worse things they ever done
Thanks for the video
you scoped it with small portable meter if you scope with a proper scope is the can signal corrupt incorrect h/l signal thus interferes with additive tank can bus .generates fault when its not the emissions at all but something else ie ,,back light ..or bci unit fault
Definitely BSI or software update
I got the same error P1434 and B1811 and got a bulletin it sad ad 10 liters of diesel and drive 40km and the error is gone
It had drive 2 hours to me
Hi Jimmy, where did you get the small meter withe the inbuilt scope?
Hi. What did you to to get absent . My car says also programming faild
Hi there is different version in the tanks even though they look the same .
the temp sensor in the wing mirror playing up ,so wont programe in ?
Hi jimmy, could you please put a link for the diagnostic machine you’re using, thanks
He has covered this before it's a launch eurotab 3 and I looked it up, it costs just short of £6000 inc VAT
Www.launchtech.co.uk Euro Tab 3
Nice one
Anybody tried this with a snap on machine? Zeus etc?
By disabling the light, additive will still work?
It wasn't working before, so no
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These 2.0ltr engines are a nightmare, I won’t go near them anymore.
A fiddly job
The CAN BUS is not single wire like you measured... On that tree was other modules too missing. For proper measurement, sorry your over priced milwaukii tool can not handle that
The wiring in these vans is absolutely sh1te!!
No end of trouble with them.
I've had a few similar electrical faults with no obvious fault found, one I remember was a DRL on a Seat not working, checked wiring checked DRL controller checked headlight checked everything. Turned out to be the BSI had lost its programming for that DRL ! had to buy a new BSI and reprogramme it to fix the fecking thing. £900 for 1 x DRL not working. I would strongly advise checking your Supply and Earths under circuit load - I use a Load pro attached to my DMM. Worth its weight in gold.