Yes, based on the 3-bet small sizing on the flop and turn it really caps the opponents range and we have all the boats. Even if villian does has. Boat with 10s or jacks their life still sucks to a jam here
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Bart's reaction to the opponent's fold is inconsistent with what he just said about getting a Q to fold for a smaller size. I kinda agree with hero's all in size especially against a more recreational player... trying to get a rec to fold trip Aces or a Broadway straight for less than a pot sized bet is lighting money on fire.
Kq was no doubt put in a tough spot to call a shove but having a king in your hand does block some of the top boats that would shove for value on this board
I am only a few mins into the video but i would either go big on the flop and give up if I don't take it down right there or spike a 6 on turn or i would just check. I think a small range bet on flop accomplishes nothing because villain will just float with everything and we end up in a big mess from oop with a low equity hand.
I really dont like how hero played this hand. Just set mine preflop and check fold postflop. In the long run this is an unnecessary spot to take from oop
On the river here I can see villain approaching this spot from two different perspectives: 1. There are so many strong hands available, at least hands that are strong in an absolute sense. Villain might find himself with a hand like 2 pair. This is a strong hand in an absolute sense, but weak in comparison to what's available. However this might lead him to call too often here, which makes me not want to bluff. 2. Alternatively, this board is as scary as they come, so maybe that intimidates villain into over-folding. Which effect dominates? I suspect #1, but I'm hardly sure of it.
Bart in this hand I so agree with the young one here. I think the all in could've forced a weak A to fold. That's a Marc Goone 300 bb special. Hahaha Kid played just like Marc for the most part. I think for a low price you get too many Q to call and even a shitty suited A he decided to call pre with. I don't see him calling pre $200 with low suited connectors and the suited crappy A is prob a stretch as well. He was very capped to QJ, KJ or maybe a suited K10 maybe.
Yep. Lol. The only thing looking back now on the turn the Hero really needed to go considerably bigger imo to $350/$400. If he bets $175 against me, even if I have a naked bluff with 55 or ex I'm blasting to like $650/$700. That $175 smells of weakness imo. Yeah it could be to entice a bluff but that's the minority of the times not the majority imo. Love the River thinking and play, it's perfect I just think against solid players it's risky but against this villain maybe the $175 on the turn and his thinking might be fine but against a thinking/solid player they might smell weakness and pounce. Against an aggressive thinking player, that's inviting a bluff from a hand where they were going to fold to a food raise on the river.
If like Bart said you knew the player was capable, maybe. But hero has so much that beats a straight, and many queens himself. There are 4 in a deck after all. TT JJ AT AJ AK KK QQ. This is such a believable story. The ONLY bluffs H has are low picker pairs, and Bart even said those are not often 3bet pre. If I flopped or turned the nuts it would make so much sense to underrep and let a guy catch up with something he might feel committed to. Trip A or a Q is probably one of the best hands V ends up here either way tho so a good player might not fold regardless of if they think hero can bluff. MDF and all that.
@@KyleVeselka I think capable players turn Tx/Jx into a bluff in H's spot knowing that they should not be good when called twice. In fact, those hands make for better bluff candidates as they block V's boats. Anyways, my logic is that H is repping a very narrow range. I don't think flushes OB jam (if H believed straights would fold vs Jam, then H would never shove his flush and bet smaller instead), AT is basically non-existent even when he used a range-bet sizing on the flop. He basically only reps AK, royal flush and some AJ, V had KQ which imo has to call there. I think other Qx can be folded just because we don't want to call straights at full frequency but that K blocker is too good.
This is the perfect example of a caller playing an imaginative game that a nit like Bart can never understand. And he perfectly verbalized the strategy. The turn sizing is actually brilliant.
Clownish comment . The fact the caller said V can't have a hand or is capped to small aces ? Like huh? Why - like it's unfathomable he's open butting and call a 3b with AJ AT suited or OS Or that he could never open TT and call a 3B or even KQ S or Off. OKkkkkkkkkk And let me know how often making the turn bet with black 6s on that board works out for you long term And if he just calls the turn bet he could never do that with the nuts or a nuttish hand like Js full
Would you have followed through on the river and if so what sizing do you like best? Share your thoughts
Yes, based on the 3-bet small sizing on the flop and turn it really caps the opponents range and we have all the boats. Even if villian does has. Boat with 10s or jacks their life still sucks to a jam here
If you want to learn hand reading skills there's nothing better than Bart's call ins, not even Charlie Carrell.
Bro Charlie Carrel is not a good poker teacher, I’d rather take lessons from Nik Airball lol
@@YoshiBugattigood luck with that
Charlie is overrated anyway
Who tf is charlie carrell lol
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Bart's reaction to the opponent's fold is inconsistent with what he just said about getting a Q to fold for a smaller size. I kinda agree with hero's all in size especially against a more recreational player... trying to get a rec to fold trip Aces or a Broadway straight for less than a pot sized bet is lighting money on fire.
Not only is a diamond a better turn bluff for back up but it also blocks flush combos
The kid tried to punt but the board run out helped him and he knew his villian
Kq was no doubt put in a tough spot to call a shove but having a king in your hand does block some of the top boats that would shove for value on this board
I am only a few mins into the video but i would either go big on the flop and give up if I don't take it down right there or spike a 6 on turn or i would just check. I think a small range bet on flop accomplishes nothing because villain will just float with everything and we end up in a big mess from oop with a low equity hand.
I thought this was an overplay.
I really dont like how hero played this hand. Just set mine preflop and check fold postflop. In the long run this is an unnecessary spot to take from oop
Lmao
Is it possible an ace might fold? You would fold it Bart and you know it.
Did the caller show the bluff ??!
Did you watch it with the sound off? He literally said that he mucked after villain showed KQ!
On the river here I can see villain approaching this spot from two different perspectives:
1. There are so many strong hands available, at least hands that are strong in an absolute sense. Villain might find himself with a hand like 2 pair. This is a strong hand in an absolute sense, but weak in comparison to what's available. However this might lead him to call too often here, which makes me not want to bluff.
2. Alternatively, this board is as scary as they come, so maybe that intimidates villain into over-folding.
Which effect dominates? I suspect #1, but I'm hardly sure of it.
Bart in this hand I so agree with the young one here. I think the all in could've forced a weak A to fold. That's a Marc Goone 300 bb special. Hahaha Kid played just like Marc for the most part. I think for a low price you get too many Q to call and even a shitty suited A he decided to call pre with. I don't see him calling pre $200 with low suited connectors and the suited crappy A is prob a stretch as well. He was very capped to QJ, KJ or maybe a suited K10 maybe.
The point was on brick rivers he would go smaller, not on this river
I was going to say, this is straight out of the Hungry Horse playbook, isn't it?
Yep. Lol. The only thing looking back now on the turn the Hero really needed to go considerably bigger imo to $350/$400. If he bets $175 against me, even if I have a naked bluff with 55 or ex I'm blasting to like $650/$700. That $175 smells of weakness imo. Yeah it could be to entice a bluff but that's the minority of the times not the majority imo. Love the River thinking and play, it's perfect I just think against solid players it's risky but against this villain maybe the $175 on the turn and his thinking might be fine but against a thinking/solid player they might smell weakness and pounce. Against an aggressive thinking player, that's inviting a bluff from a hand where they were going to fold to a food raise on the river.
Get serious, Bart would fold an ace here. This play is absolutely brilliant and what's more he has the skill to explain the strategy.
Wait. So he wont call $200 pre with a "low crappy suited A", but he is calling pre with KT off ? Oh ok. Let me write that down
I think V is supposed to call his hand on the river.
If like Bart said you knew the player was capable, maybe. But hero has so much that beats a straight, and many queens himself. There are 4 in a deck after all. TT JJ AT AJ AK KK QQ. This is such a believable story.
The ONLY bluffs H has are low picker pairs, and Bart even said those are not often 3bet pre. If I flopped or turned the nuts it would make so much sense to underrep and let a guy catch up with something he might feel committed to. Trip A or a Q is probably one of the best hands V ends up here either way tho so a good player might not fold regardless of if they think hero can bluff. MDF and all that.
What do you mean “supposed to” at GTO?
Nobody is playing GTO live. Even if they are trying.
@@KyleVeselka I think capable players turn Tx/Jx into a bluff in H's spot knowing that they should not be good when called twice. In fact, those hands make for better bluff candidates as they block V's boats.
Anyways, my logic is that H is repping a very narrow range. I don't think flushes OB jam (if H believed straights would fold vs Jam, then H would never shove his flush and bet smaller instead), AT is basically non-existent even when he used a range-bet sizing on the flop. He basically only reps AK, royal flush and some AJ, V had KQ which imo has to call there. I think other Qx can be folded just because we don't want to call straights at full frequency but that K blocker is too good.
This only worked because the live player pool doesn't go three streets with no equity often enough to justify calling. Villain played perfectly tbh.
This is the perfect example of a caller playing an imaginative game that a nit like Bart can never understand. And he perfectly verbalized the strategy. The turn sizing is actually brilliant.
Clownish comment . The fact the caller said V can't have a hand or is capped to small aces ? Like huh? Why - like it's unfathomable he's open butting and call a 3b with AJ AT suited or OS
Or that he could never open TT and call a 3B or even KQ S or Off.
OKkkkkkkkkk
And let me know how often making the turn bet with black 6s on that board works out for you long term
And if he just calls the turn bet he could never do that with the nuts or a nuttish hand like Js full