My only question is if we’re calling with KQ and we pick up bottom two, isn’t that best case scenario with this hand? I don’t understand why we’d fold to a bet if we’re calling with this hand.
@@jamez470 Not to a single bet, no. But - as Bart said - if the hero checks the flop, the +1 bets into 4 players, and someone in the field calls/raises, then the hero's likely to have 30% equity or less against the field. More likely 20% equity or less. Does that sound like the hero should call there?
Check/jamming just to see if I can get more money from the field. Sure, the squeezer could have AK/AQ/AA/KK/QQ, but he could also have a lot of crap. If there's a bet and a raise I probably should fold, but likely not smart enough to do so.
No shoving. _(EDIT: I might run into a rockwall - pocket JT)._ I would either: 1) donk bet small ($200), and then evaluate after action of others. (Folding to any jams! There are NO drawing hands!). If they just called, I'd get to see free turn card. Or, 2) Check (pass on to current aggressor). As you said: would get to read other players action before it gets back to me again.Then evaluate the same way as discussed at (1).
I can tell Bart has given up on this guy when he doesn't call him out for "wanting to avoid the hard decision later" by ripping it in on the flop. Always the worst reasoning for going all in
On the flop hero says "I wanted to avoid the hard decision later, so I jammed now"... this type of mindset in poker is very detrimental to your game. Poker is all about making hard decisions. Embrace the hard decisions. Choosing an escape-hatch move to avoid "tough decisions" IS MAKING worse decisions. If you study enough, all decisions start becoming easier.
Stopped at 3:20 to say that I'm squeezing 100% in hero's spot here, and making it at _LEAST_ $210. I may actually make it $250. There's just so much dead money out there. Not 3-betting is straight up poker malpractice.
the money was going in no matter what with the VIP having AJ. caller played this awful start to finish. If im at this table im happy as hell the VIP got those chips. lol
Just wanna say I’m glad Bart’s channel seems to be doing well. As a watcher since the LATB days, it’s nice to see there is still always a sucker in the game.
Here's an open message to the caller: Everything about the way you both played and described this hand suggests that you need to get back to basics a bit, and _really_ focus in on why maximizing tight-aggression pre-flop is the most profitable NLHE strategy. As you played this hand, your flop action is a punt, because of the number of players yet to act... but everything goes back to your pre-flop mistakes (plural!). Speaking from personal experience, I've found that you end up losing a _ton_ of big pots with strong-but-second-best hands when you flat your stronger holdings from the blinds after a bunch of mid/late-position calls. The post-flop positional disadvantage is just too great. You were afraid of that problem pre, but your response was clearly incorrect, and I'd recommend spending time considering your mindset and approach to the game. Your first thought was to worry about being called in a bunch of spots if you squeezed.... so you didn't squeeze, let someone _else_ squeeze, get called in a bunch of spots, and then over-called... So now you're out of position against _TWO_ aggressors instead of just one, in a much bigger pot with a correspondingly much smaller SPR. Seriously, if you ever find yourself in a clear multi-way squeeze spot where you're not closing the action, then either squeeze or fold. No matter how pretty your hand is. Otherwise, you're just doing it wrong.
@@EllieBanks333 Actually no, calling it a punt is _not_ going too far. The caller's already indicated that the whale who opened is super-wide, but doesn't prevent any of the other players in the hand from having JT. And there are _four_ other players in the hand at this point: the pre-flop 3-bettor in the straddle, MP-1 (the VIP), the HJ and the button. Going all-in from SB with bottom two in this configuration is basically a game-theory disaster. If you are called by STR, HJ or the button (or heavens forfend, more than one of those), you're dead. If you're called by STR in particular, with three players yet to act, you're _SUPER_ dead - STR has every remaining set combo, plus JTs. It's a punt.
Man not 3 betting here is a huge mistake. Being out of position is all the more reason to 3 bet. Even if one of the player in between is setting a trap the sooner you learn who's sand bagging the better.
I've never been to that club, but Emeryville says to me a) highly analytical people; b) lots of money to burn, especially in a game like that. I'd imagine you'd see a ton of Bay Area professional types with 500K average income who are smart and have advanced degrees, so they figure they can beat the regs at a game like this and avoid taxes on the winnings. Caller sounds like one of those. That's why he's proud he "got it in good" and sought reaffirmation.
A simple standard 3-bet pre-flop to a proper size likely would've taken the pot down there right away.. Lots of live players are AFRAID of 3-betting pre-flop when it would win/save them SO much money. Instead they want to play BINGO and hit a flop!!! Learn how to play your range in 3-bet pots! Whether in-position or out-of-position.
Sounds like the “hero” is the VIP lmao. These low limit games are like 90% fish, yet they all think that they’re the good player and that everyone else is the fish. Always reminds me of that meme with the 3 spider mans pointing at each other. 😂
What the heck is this... 3bet when it first comes around to you, fold when it comes around to you again. Your 4bet would get no credit since you didn't 3bet when there's so much dead money. Horrible from hero.
Guy doesn't understand equity and why you should 3B. It's not being afraid of be g OOP and whiffing. It's limiting the field to 1 or 2 players and to not get out flopped when some guy is allowed to stay in the pot with K6 suites and the flop is K62 and you can't get away from KQ. Not that that happened here. But that us the reason you 3B and to take the betting lead But from a guy who can't recall how the configuration of the game goes
@@EllieBanks333 1) you really dont know that He could fold AJ Straddle could have TT or JJ and call Lot of possibilities for different outcomes 2) yep, its results oriented
You mean, after making the _terrible_ initial decision to flat in the SB with that hand? I agree, but the only way I could have gotten to that point was if I'd noticed out of the corner of my eye that the straddle was looking interested in the pot, and decided to activate full FPS mode.
that's not playing poker. That's a gamble. Particularly with KQ. a) Zero SD value at a time of shove, and b) after you flatted after 4 callers?! You would played it face up. That would attract more than 1 caller. If I had pocket JJ/TT/99, I'd happily called _(edit)_ *THAT* shove.
Let’s hear your thoughts on the flop, would you have gone all-in here? Why or why not?
My only question is if we’re calling with KQ and we pick up bottom two, isn’t that best case scenario with this hand? I don’t understand why we’d fold to a bet if we’re calling with this hand.
@@jamez470 Not to a single bet, no. But - as Bart said - if the hero checks the flop, the +1 bets into 4 players, and someone in the field calls/raises, then the hero's likely to have 30% equity or less against the field. More likely 20% equity or less. Does that sound like the hero should call there?
Check/jamming just to see if I can get more money from the field. Sure, the squeezer could have AK/AQ/AA/KK/QQ, but he could also have a lot of crap. If there's a bet and a raise I probably should fold, but likely not smart enough to do so.
No shoving. _(EDIT: I might run into a rockwall - pocket JT)._
I would either:
1) donk bet small ($200), and then evaluate after action of others. (Folding to any jams! There are NO drawing hands!). If they just called, I'd get to see free turn card. Or,
2) Check (pass on to current aggressor). As you said: would get to read other players action before it gets back to me again.Then evaluate the same way as discussed at (1).
@@alistairwillock7266 ah yes, I see how that type of action would lead to a fold looking like the better option. Thanks!
I can tell Bart has given up on this guy when he doesn't call him out for "wanting to avoid the hard decision later" by ripping it in on the flop. Always the worst reasoning for going all in
You aren't wrong, but I have been guilty of that too
On the flop hero says "I wanted to avoid the hard decision later, so I jammed now"... this type of mindset in poker is very detrimental to your game. Poker is all about making hard decisions. Embrace the hard decisions. Choosing an escape-hatch move to avoid "tough decisions" IS MAKING worse decisions.
If you study enough, all decisions start becoming easier.
Ssssssshuutttt uuuuupppppp! Stop teaching the fish.
@@matthewgary6843
Fish cannot be taught! Therefore the definition (of it).
@@matthewgary6843 lol, no one is going to listen to me anyways.
Bro is over 4 minutes into the hand history and still has no idea where the straddle is.
😂😂😂
And he has the audacity to be condescending towards other people's play. 😂😂
😮😂😂😂
the Caller is THE VIP.
Aside from repeatedly confusing the button and straddle, it's also not clear who the real VIP was in this game.
Stopped at 3:20 to say that I'm squeezing 100% in hero's spot here, and making it at _LEAST_ $210. I may actually make it $250. There's just so much dead money out there. Not 3-betting is straight up poker malpractice.
What would you do if you get a 4-bet after?
@@Trust_but_Verify Fold, and be happy about it.
@Trust_but_Verify Fold. You simply fold in that spot. Not a big deal. You save a lot more money raising preflop than you do just calling.
@@Trust_but_Verify Fold, and be happy about it.
@@Trust_but_VerifyIt is fine and acceptable to 3-bet and then fold to a 4-bet. Nothing to be ashamed of.
I will put this room on my list of places to visit
😂
Honestly, we should just all go there right now.
the money was going in no matter what with the VIP having AJ. caller played this awful start to finish. If im at this table im happy as hell the VIP got those chips. lol
It’s just one VIP giving chips to another lol
Ah yes the ole “caller is the fish” call
Just wanna say I’m glad Bart’s channel seems to be doing well. As a watcher since the LATB days, it’s nice to see there is still always a sucker in the game.
Here's an open message to the caller:
Everything about the way you both played and described this hand suggests that you need to get back to basics a bit, and _really_ focus in on why maximizing tight-aggression pre-flop is the most profitable NLHE strategy. As you played this hand, your flop action is a punt, because of the number of players yet to act... but everything goes back to your pre-flop mistakes (plural!).
Speaking from personal experience, I've found that you end up losing a _ton_ of big pots with strong-but-second-best hands when you flat your stronger holdings from the blinds after a bunch of mid/late-position calls. The post-flop positional disadvantage is just too great. You were afraid of that problem pre, but your response was clearly incorrect, and I'd recommend spending time considering your mindset and approach to the game. Your first thought was to worry about being called in a bunch of spots if you squeezed.... so you didn't squeeze, let someone _else_ squeeze, get called in a bunch of spots, and then over-called... So now you're out of position against _TWO_ aggressors instead of just one, in a much bigger pot with a correspondingly much smaller SPR.
Seriously, if you ever find yourself in a clear multi-way squeeze spot where you're not closing the action, then either squeeze or fold. No matter how pretty your hand is. Otherwise, you're just doing it wrong.
The hero/caller definitely played this badly. On the other hand; calling his flop action a punt is too far.
@@EllieBanks333 Actually no, calling it a punt is _not_ going too far. The caller's already indicated that the whale who opened is super-wide, but doesn't prevent any of the other players in the hand from having JT. And there are _four_ other players in the hand at this point: the pre-flop 3-bettor in the straddle, MP-1 (the VIP), the HJ and the button. Going all-in from SB with bottom two in this configuration is basically a game-theory disaster. If you are called by STR, HJ or the button (or heavens forfend, more than one of those), you're dead. If you're called by STR in particular, with three players yet to act, you're _SUPER_ dead - STR has every remaining set combo, plus JTs. It's a punt.
Man not 3 betting here is a huge mistake. Being out of position is all the more reason to 3 bet. Even if one of the player in between is setting a trap the sooner you learn who's sand bagging the better.
sounds like that was a GREAT game
this guy is terrible no offense
Don’t tap the fish tank sir.
I've never been to that club, but Emeryville says to me a) highly analytical people; b) lots of money to burn, especially in a game like that. I'd imagine you'd see a ton of Bay Area professional types with 500K average income who are smart and have advanced degrees, so they figure they can beat the regs at a game like this and avoid taxes on the winnings. Caller sounds like one of those. That's why he's proud he "got it in good" and sought reaffirmation.
Brutal video.
A simple standard 3-bet pre-flop to a proper size likely would've taken the pot down there right away.. Lots of live players are AFRAID of 3-betting pre-flop when it would win/save them SO much money. Instead they want to play BINGO and hit a flop!!!
Learn how to play your range in 3-bet pots! Whether in-position or out-of-position.
There is no question hero should have raised pre. But hero does lose his stack here anyways. VIP is never ever letting go of AJ.
This caller must be a subscriber to CLP.
Who is the VIP?
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Oh man, that's cold.
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I need to be playing in this game!
That train goes clear up to Chicago if you're really feeling adventurous
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There is an inverse relationship between player quality, and the time the caller spends observing how bad his opponents were
There is no reason not to 3bet this hand, the hands then goes off the rails.
Yeah this a terrible decision to flat, oop vs 4 players. I’d much rather fold than just call.
But then this guy seems clueless as to who was even straddling so who knows?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj 100% this. See my (admittedly far too long) comment above.
Bro IS the VIP
Caller is very likely the “other VIP”
I just folded pocket JJ pre!
I think I know who’s the actual “VIP” at this table
This is the guy that as soon as he opens his mouth you know it’s time to leave
For those who think Bart looks at these hands before…..
Makes me wish I was back in the town crushing Oaks again.
Sounds like the “hero” is the VIP lmao. These low limit games are like 90% fish, yet they all think that they’re the good player and that everyone else is the fish. Always reminds me of that meme with the 3 spider mans pointing at each other. 😂
Hard to analyze a hand when the guy doesn't even know how to describe position properly.
The fish is calling other ppl fish this game is juicy count me in plzzzzzz
What the heck is this... 3bet when it first comes around to you, fold when it comes around to you again. Your 4bet would get no credit since you didn't 3bet when there's so much dead money. Horrible from hero.
Who is on 1st,what is on 2nd and I dunno who is on the straddle.
Guy doesn't understand equity and why you should 3B. It's not being afraid of be g OOP and whiffing. It's limiting the field to 1 or 2 players and to not get out flopped when some guy is allowed to stay in the pot with K6 suites and the flop is K62 and you can't get away from KQ. Not that that happened here. But that us the reason you 3B and to take the betting lead
But from a guy who can't recall how the configuration of the game goes
Im going allin pre
Not to be results oriented, but you'd have achieved the same result caller did.
@@EllieBanks333
1) you really dont know that
He could fold AJ
Straddle could have TT or JJ and call
Lot of possibilities for different outcomes
2) yep, its results oriented
You mean, after making the _terrible_ initial decision to flat in the SB with that hand? I agree, but the only way I could have gotten to that point was if I'd noticed out of the corner of my eye that the straddle was looking interested in the pot, and decided to activate full FPS mode.
that's not playing poker. That's a gamble. Particularly with KQ. a) Zero SD value at a time of shove, and b) after you flatted after 4 callers?! You would played it face up. That would attract more than 1 caller. If I had pocket JJ/TT/99, I'd happily called _(edit)_ *THAT* shove.
The first rule of poker if u cant spot the fish ur probably the fish😂😂😂
the heros story telling is as bad as his king queen suited play
Closet bad beat story lol
Sometimes I wonder how people who are subscribed to poker strategy channels can be so bad.
Maybe a sh!te question, but is there a way to make sure your maximizing equity???
prime example of a player who has more money than poker knowledge LOL ... go back to 1/2.
Wtf i dont think u could have won this hand ever. The vip is going in...if you jam if you limp if you back reis... 😂
This sounds like a plo hand lol
This call lol..... poker is so dead
Lol
Wtf is this lol
Kq is garbage.always garbage
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