This was misplayed on every street. Trapping to induce wins the least and loses the most (when they have KK beat) especially against a 1-3 player. Hero doesn’t want to bet earlier and smaller; ok then guess if you want to call a bigger size later. Dyslexic.
Yes! He's a guy that can sit down with the $3-5nl, $5-10nl tables and crush all day... He knows these types of games... One thing he doesn't go into as much about these games is the players' attachment towards the chips as money... What I mean is non regs can be up $700 from their original buy-in of $300 and tighten WAY UP... or some will get very loose... Same thing with a guy who was up $800 and is back to even on Tilt. You see more of these players making decisions based on chips being MONEY and not tools in a poker game.
This was a fun hand. Hero's check on flop was a clear mistake. He does lose most or all of his stack here often anyways, but if he had been leading it would often have been easier to realize he had been coolered. Villain would almost certainly raise prior to the river. And when hero's range easily includes KQ, AQ, KK, AA, that would have been a clue villain had a set. But because he could have Q9s & the river counters that hand - hard not to get felted here. But if the turn had been a raise by villain, after hero had properly lead flop & turn, hero might realize villain has Q9++ and he should really fold. P.S. Hero had 18% equity against Q9 on the turn here & less than 5% against sets.
Hero says he usually leads F here, but wants some strong hands in his checking range, as he should. He happened to choose this one. Seems a good choice on a fairly safe rainbow board. So not a clear mistake. Esp against a rec whose shown bluffs already. Unfortunate to walk into a monster this time.
I think hero’s pre-flop raise sizing was very standard, especially being out-of-position. I think Bart generally goes with smaller sizing pre-flop than most poker sites recommend. It’s live poker, people tend to call more often pre-flop with weak hands.
Perhaps @crushlivepoker can correct me if I’m wrong but Bart is very much oriented to maximizing getting money in the middle when holding a premium like KK, and I would bet that the stats lean towards more 3bets coming from live players to smaller open, and a the fold equity from opponents being slightly higher with bigger opens. Therefore by opening smaller the odds of getting more money in from lesser hands 3 betting is higher than not? Could be wrong, again sometimes the bane of live casual players existence is them not being active or aggressive enough and have too low a rate of 3bets
Yeah I was surprised Bart picked on the sizing, he did that in another call recently where the caller was out of position and I thought the sizing was completely fine.
I’m generally not a live reads guy, but the instant river jam in this spot would have me thinking seriously about a fold. I liked the river card a lot because I thought 44 was the most likely V holding until then, and I would have led River for value (larger, maybe all-in), but as played by hero what hand other than 99, 77 or 44 is insta-jamming? Not QJ etc.
That's what I was thinking too. The turn bet gave the momentum for the final push, it was clear to see. If I smelled a river shove coming, it indicates he's polarizing his range, and I don't think there are enough bluffs on this board to mask the chance he's value betting.
I’m a total donkey. But the jam on the River screams full house or better. He’s not jamming with Q9 because he just got counterfeited vs AA or KK. Q9 makes a lot of sense with the $250 turn bet. $250 turn is either two pair or a set. River jam is a guaranteed full house or 4-some.
@@kevinzhe3513 I think Q9 would be more of natural bluff, IF villain had raised pre. But limping behind caps his range, he never has QQ and likely doesn’t have 99 very often. C-betting seems like the move to me imho, sure you can let dude try to value own himself with Qx, but we’d be better off keeping the lead. A lot of 1/3 players wouldn’t even bet JTs with a BDFD IP in this spot, bc they wanna realize equity and are scared of a x/r.
Haven't watched river card or analysis yet, so with that said ... I would have donked 1/3 to 1/2 pot on turn ... to take back betting lead. If villain only calls , then he's pretty capped to top pair or 2nd pair with redraw to diamond flush. As hero played it tho, I'm going into 5th Street chicken mode with a check and evaluation of villain's combinations of value, value own, and busted draw bluffs as it relates to villain's river bet size
I put him on 44 the whole hand. I would have played this hand completely differently but the end result would have been the same, other than all the chips going in before the river.
I think $125 from villain on the turn as played is a double stab that figures AK or JT might give up. Villain could have AJ or JT. Or maybe he has A9 suited. I think $250 on the turn from villain is a pair of queens+ who now wants to deny equity of backdoor Diamonds, AK, and JT. I think it's possible villain could have Q9 suited here as well. I wrote that ott before we saw the river. I think the river is a great card since we now beat Q9. I guess I'm not worried about A4 suited who double stabbed with bottom pair and binked the river. Now, I'll watch the rest expecting to be totally wrong and I'll return to the valley of despair (ala Dunning-Kruger)
What's going on with all the checking on the flop with overpairs? It's so bad. Classic fancy play syndrome. When you have a very good hand against loose live players just value bet pretty big and you print money.
@@benjaminlebriaIt shouldn't be at live cash games. You make money there with value, not traps. You're making way more money way more often against a Q than you are hoping someone falls for your check and goes crazy.
I think its funny that you spent so much time trying to figure out what to do on the turn card. A Cbet in the flop probably would have been a better decision. KK is a nice hand but loses to an ace and 2 pair. Imo, always bet the flop with all top pairs if you're vulnerable to an Ace. I would rather win a smaller pot than blow my entire stack. There are always more hands to play.. I'm putting this guy on Q9
I’m at the point where villain C/R river. I would snap call. If squads or 77, so be it. I set him up to bluff so why fold? Ok, it’s quads. How are you going to escape no matter how you played it?
It was not a 3 bet and I have seen lots of 1-3 players cold call 3bets with junk. Watch hustler live you even see a lot of whales do it on those games too
After betting 250 on the turn, I don't think he's ever checking back the river. I don't like calling bets. I prefer making the villian to make a bad call. He's always raising a set @ some point to let the hero off the hook
Why are we considering balance? “Idk if I have leads in this card” “how my AK would play” V over limped called in 2-5. Bet bet bet with value. Bet bet all in with bluffs to folds out his Q
The fold on turn would've been correct here imo. The sizing on the turn was very big. Like Bart said, it's Qx+ for value. Q9 is there, 99 is there (if he's truly passive, which he's not), 44 is there, and 77 is there. At the *turn*, KK is not beating a ton of value. At the *turn*, Villain would need to find more than just some semibluff Ax flush draw hands to bluff with, especially at that sizing. It would be fine if the turn bet was closer to $130, but $250 has weight to it. KK is very low in Villain's value range and needs Villain to be overbluffing the turn to make it a profitable call
I definitely would've took a different line than you, but against this player type, I'd fold. It's never a bluff on the river and most 1-3 players are never going all in with a queen.
Fancy play and the logic on each street seemed totally backwards. In my experience when a guy bets big on the turn like that he's much more prone to protecting his top pair type hand against hearts or a river ace
Then they all brick and the turn sizing let's him jam. If he wanted those Qx hands to get value, he would've bet bigger on the turn. Hero was hoping Villain would overvalue his top pair (especially given the big raise pre), and immediately deviated from GTO to exploit what he thought Villain would do, without actually seeing what Villain does. He made an assumption about a 1/3 player, who may be a rec, sure. But the rec mistook the table for 1/3 and a) still chose to play, b) bought in for what would be more than necessary at his target table, and c) has no problem playing short stacked. Villain's flop probe was probably surprising to him. He wanted to see how much Hero would polarize himself on the flop and made a tester bet. Hero just called. Again, Villain is short stacked, he's not going to have a hard time getting it all in. He double barrels the turn, which immediately gives danger signs. Even if he was bluffing the flop with the probe and intended to fold to a flop jam (which he wouldn't because he's got 44), there aren't enough bluffs that barrel on this board for that sizing on the turn. Qx definitely bets turn if he thinks Hero is overcalling with hands that like to play big pots, like a missed AK, but the turn should fold those hands too. Pretty much, Hero played this hand almost entirely incorrectly. Preflop is 80% of the set up, but post flop principle is key. Especially the idea of maintaining the betting lead you've acquired unless a tangible event signals otherwise. The assumption he was a loose passive 1/3 player is not relevant to the fact he seized upon Hero's deviation.
I love two black kings over two black jacks. Causs two black kings can stack two black aces if you hit your set of kings with two your black kings. Two black kings never reduntdant. Thank you.
What do you think about this block bet sizing? GTO nerds and trolls, let's hear your opinions.
I would’ve checked river…
This was misplayed on every street. Trapping to induce wins the least and loses the most (when they have KK beat) especially against a 1-3 player. Hero doesn’t want to bet earlier and smaller; ok then guess if you want to call a bigger size later. Dyslexic.
Reupload?
I don't think gto would ever lead the river as played
I didnt check solvers but I'm pretty sure theres a bet option on the river and sizing would be around 35-45% i assume.@@danielhenry6777
Bart might be the best TH-camr out there reacting to poker hands and thoughts of a poker hand 😂
I don't understand the "he limped so this board doesn't hit him."
Why wouldn't it?
And an exemplary employee at the airport.
@@KenDavis-uo8kq ??
Yes! He's a guy that can sit down with the $3-5nl, $5-10nl tables and crush all day... He knows these types of games...
One thing he doesn't go into as much about these games is the players' attachment towards the chips as money... What I mean is non regs can be up $700 from their original buy-in of $300 and tighten WAY UP... or some will get very loose... Same thing with a guy who was up $800 and is back to even on Tilt. You see more of these players making decisions based on chips being MONEY and not tools in a poker game.
@@darylmixan8170how tf would he even know which players are doing what? Lol
This was a fun hand. Hero's check on flop was a clear mistake. He does lose most or all of his stack here often anyways, but if he had been leading it would often have been easier to realize he had been coolered. Villain would almost certainly raise prior to the river. And when hero's range easily includes KQ, AQ, KK, AA, that would have been a clue villain had a set. But because he could have Q9s & the river counters that hand - hard not to get felted here. But if the turn had been a raise by villain, after hero had properly lead flop & turn, hero might realize villain has Q9++ and he should really fold.
P.S. Hero had 18% equity against Q9 on the turn here & less than 5% against sets.
It all depends on your knowledge of the villian and game.
@@darylmixan8170 We did not get much of a read on villain by the caller.
Hero says he usually leads F here, but wants some strong hands in his checking range, as he should.
He happened to choose this one. Seems a good choice on a fairly safe rainbow board.
So not a clear mistake. Esp against a rec whose shown bluffs already.
Unfortunate to walk into a monster this time.
@@darylmixan8170 exactly. so many kinds of players. it seems ridiculous to pigeonhole or assume they are all playing gto
I think hero’s pre-flop raise sizing was very standard, especially being out-of-position. I think Bart generally goes with smaller sizing pre-flop than most poker sites recommend.
It’s live poker, people tend to call more often pre-flop with weak hands.
Perhaps @crushlivepoker can correct me if I’m wrong but Bart is very much oriented to maximizing getting money in the middle when holding a premium like KK, and I would bet that the stats lean towards more 3bets coming from live players to smaller open, and a the fold equity from opponents being slightly higher with bigger opens. Therefore by opening smaller the odds of getting more money in from lesser hands 3 betting is higher than not? Could be wrong, again sometimes the bane of live casual players existence is them not being active or aggressive enough and have too low a rate of 3bets
Yeah I was surprised Bart picked on the sizing, he did that in another call recently where the caller was out of position and I thought the sizing was completely fine.
Hero's pre-flop raise was completely fine.
Great how Bart questioned Heros thought process. Think it really helps them. Great job.
44 was my first thought given bet size flop, turn and river reraise all in jam. Punt is possible, but highly unlikely.
You are just getting stacked on this hand. It happens.
If hero had played the hand correctly, he might have been able to eject before getting stacked.
@@EllieBanks333 Or taken it down with a flop bet.
@@DNRchist huh? You think villain is folding bottom set to one flop c-bet? No chance.
@@modestomouso1234 Oops, my bad. I'm confused 😅
I’m generally not a live reads guy, but the instant river jam in this spot would have me thinking seriously about a fold. I liked the river card a lot because I thought 44 was the most likely V holding until then, and I would have led River for value (larger, maybe all-in), but as played by hero what hand other than 99, 77 or 44 is insta-jamming? Not QJ etc.
That's what I was thinking too. The turn bet gave the momentum for the final push, it was clear to see. If I smelled a river shove coming, it indicates he's polarizing his range, and I don't think there are enough bluffs on this board to mask the chance he's value betting.
Villain also has some 9X of diamonds hands on the river that can be turned into bluffs. (They turn flush draws).
I’m a total donkey.
But the jam on the River screams full house or better. He’s not jamming with Q9 because he just got counterfeited vs AA or KK. Q9 makes a lot of sense with the $250 turn bet. $250 turn is either two pair or a set. River jam is a guaranteed full house or 4-some.
Prerty confident Q9 is one of the most natural bluffs here, just fyi. Otherwise I agree!
@@kevinzhe3513 I think Q9 would be more of natural bluff, IF villain had raised pre. But limping behind caps his range, he never has QQ and likely doesn’t have 99 very often.
C-betting seems like the move to me imho, sure you can let dude try to value own himself with Qx, but we’d be better off keeping the lead. A lot of 1/3 players wouldn’t even bet JTs with a BDFD IP in this spot, bc they wanna realize equity and are scared of a x/r.
any chance this is a reupload? i feel like 6:04 ive seen this exact conversation like a week ago
This hand was posted already a few days ago
Yeah this was definitely posted quite recently.
knew i’d heard it before
Yep
ok i was wondering. started feeling very familiar
Haven't watched river card or analysis yet, so with that said ...
I would have donked 1/3 to 1/2 pot on turn ... to take back betting lead. If villain only calls , then he's pretty capped to top pair or 2nd pair with redraw to diamond flush.
As hero played it tho, I'm going into 5th Street chicken mode with a check and evaluation of villain's combinations of value, value own, and busted draw bluffs as it relates to villain's river bet size
It's just a cooler. Especially after Hero decided to give up the lead and call down. The run out was terrible for him.
Re up load ?
I put him on 44 the whole hand. I would have played this hand completely differently but the end result would have been the same, other than all the chips going in before the river.
I think $125 from villain on the turn as played is a double stab that figures AK or JT might give up. Villain could have AJ or JT. Or maybe he has A9 suited. I think $250 on the turn from villain is a pair of queens+ who now wants to deny equity of backdoor Diamonds, AK, and JT. I think it's possible villain could have Q9 suited here as well.
I wrote that ott before we saw the river. I think the river is a great card since we now beat Q9. I guess I'm not worried about A4 suited who double stabbed with bottom pair and binked the river.
Now, I'll watch the rest expecting to be totally wrong and I'll return to the valley of despair (ala Dunning-Kruger)
What's going on with all the checking on the flop with overpairs? It's so bad. Classic fancy play syndrome. When you have a very good hand against loose live players just value bet pretty big and you print money.
The mistake here was not the checking out of position, which is a very standard play. The mistake was not check raising the flop.
Checking range oop in SRP is kind of standard. But as Bart said, it's a stylistic thing.
@@benjaminlebriaIt shouldn't be at live cash games. You make money there with value, not traps. You're making way more money way more often against a Q than you are hoping someone falls for your check and goes crazy.
I think its funny that you spent so much time trying to figure out what to do on the turn card. A Cbet in the flop probably would have been a better decision. KK is a nice hand but loses to an ace and 2 pair. Imo, always bet the flop with all top pairs if you're vulnerable to an Ace. I would rather win a smaller pot than blow my entire stack. There are always more hands to play.. I'm putting this guy on Q9
I’m at the point where villain C/R river. I would snap call. If squads or 77, so be it. I set him up to bluff so why fold? Ok, it’s quads. How are you going to escape no matter how you played it?
Pocket 7s or Qqs my guess on turn bet
What is Qqs?
@@EllieBanks333queen queen suited.
@@jimstacy1341 How would there be 2 queens of the same suit??
@@EllieBanks333 oh sorry I was just messing with you. Are you new to poker? My serious answer is he probably meant Qs or “queens”
@@jimstacy1341 Sorry, but with all the weird posts I see online, I can sometimes miss humor. My apologies Jim.
How many 1-3 players hold onto 44 preflop when u 3 bet decent sizing in 2-5-10
It was not a 3 bet and I have seen lots of 1-3 players cold call 3bets with junk. Watch hustler live you even see a lot of whales do it on those games too
Lots.
But it wasn't a 3 bet
@@joncorb540 Great point
@ no thats what im saying just not a good idea to slow play low stakes
Did Bart get fired at the airport?
Why are you posting old videos as new?
Cool.
had he started off betting and not checking, he could have gotten away from it
After betting 250 on the turn, I don't think he's ever checking back the river. I don't like calling bets. I prefer making the villian to make a bad call. He's always raising a set @ some point to let the hero off the hook
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Why are we considering balance? “Idk if I have leads in this card” “how my AK would play” V over limped called in 2-5. Bet bet bet with value. Bet bet all in with bluffs to folds out his Q
Q9?
The fold on turn would've been correct here imo. The sizing on the turn was very big. Like Bart said, it's Qx+ for value. Q9 is there, 99 is there (if he's truly passive, which he's not), 44 is there, and 77 is there. At the *turn*, KK is not beating a ton of value. At the *turn*, Villain would need to find more than just some semibluff Ax flush draw hands to bluff with, especially at that sizing. It would be fine if the turn bet was closer to $130, but $250 has weight to it. KK is very low in Villain's value range and needs Villain to be overbluffing the turn to make it a profitable call
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There are like 42 combos of Qx though (assuming the x is T or better) and only 18 combos of Q9/99/77/44.
I was screaming pocket 9’s or 4’s this entire video. Even a “rec” (as the caller puts it) isn’t playing the hand like this without the nuts.
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Just bet bet bet. Don’t get cute in low limit. This is a dream with a over pair .
I definitely would've took a different line than you, but against this player type, I'd fold. It's never a bluff on the river and most 1-3 players are never going all in with a queen.
If I thought he was capable of bluffing I’d have checked or bet small, maybe 275-325. Otherwise I’m jamming river
if youre gonna x the flop, you need to x/r ... not x/c lmaooo
in this case it made no difference. he was looking at a shove no matter what he did.
God he just hates 1/2 and 1/3
$100!? lol
Fancy play and the logic on each street seemed totally backwards. In my experience when a guy bets big on the turn like that he's much more prone to protecting his top pair type hand against hearts or a river ace
Then they all brick and the turn sizing let's him jam. If he wanted those Qx hands to get value, he would've bet bigger on the turn. Hero was hoping Villain would overvalue his top pair (especially given the big raise pre), and immediately deviated from GTO to exploit what he thought Villain would do, without actually seeing what Villain does. He made an assumption about a 1/3 player, who may be a rec, sure. But the rec mistook the table for 1/3 and a) still chose to play, b) bought in for what would be more than necessary at his target table, and c) has no problem playing short stacked.
Villain's flop probe was probably surprising to him. He wanted to see how much Hero would polarize himself on the flop and made a tester bet. Hero just called. Again, Villain is short stacked, he's not going to have a hard time getting it all in. He double barrels the turn, which immediately gives danger signs. Even if he was bluffing the flop with the probe and intended to fold to a flop jam (which he wouldn't because he's got 44), there aren't enough bluffs that barrel on this board for that sizing on the turn. Qx definitely bets turn if he thinks Hero is overcalling with hands that like to play big pots, like a missed AK, but the turn should fold those hands too.
Pretty much, Hero played this hand almost entirely incorrectly. Preflop is 80% of the set up, but post flop principle is key. Especially the idea of maintaining the betting lead you've acquired unless a tangible event signals otherwise. The assumption he was a loose passive 1/3 player is not relevant to the fact he seized upon Hero's deviation.
Please stop saying "two black kings" just say, "black kings". It's both annoying and redundant. Thank you, and carry on
I love two black kings over two black jacks. Causs two black kings can stack two black aces if you hit your set of kings with two your black kings. Two black kings never reduntdant. Thank you.
@@gtccold This! 💯
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Bart I’m pretty sure you posted this hand a week ago