Probably hasn't had many flights recently, and probably bitter about his last one. I didn't fly often, but several times a year for business, and I don't think I've ever ended up next to a kid. Let the kid look out during takeoff, that's the most exciting bit anyway, then have them and their fellow traveler take middle and aisle. Parents don't like dragging kids over people to the bathroom either.
Thanks for the video. I was an officer on three nuclear powered submarines during the 70s and 80s. I spent 2-1/4 years of my life below the surface of the world’s oceans. As a part of that time, I stood hundreds of OOD (Officer of the Deck) watches. Part of the routine of an OOD’s watch routine was bringing the sub to communications depth. At communications depth (periscope depth) a continuous visual watch on at least one of the two optical periscopes was required. Periscope depth time was usually about twenty minutes with about ten-to-twelve hours between excursions. At PD, the observer was required to rotate the scope at about six degrees per second, searching for surface contacts. When a contact was detected, the observer would make a visual observation, providing true bearing, subtended vertical angle from the contact’s waterline to the tip of their tallest mast, and the contact’s angle-on-the bow. The periscope optics contained a reticle with horizontal markings placed at even intervals from the low point to the high point of the optical field of view. The observer would estimate the number of these horizontal markings that were subtended by the contact. He would report this as, for example, “2-1/2 divisions in high power, use 100 foot masthead height.” A circular slide rule was used to convert the measured division count to contact 1:22 range. Now to the point: Depending upon the sea state, mission stealth objectives and other factors, the OOD would command the Diving Officer of the Watch to maintain keel depth such that anywhere from three to six feet of periscope mast was exposed above the surface. But a contact beyond about ten thousand yards (five nautical miles) would ALWAYS be “hull-down”, meaning that the curvature of the earth prohibited the OOD from seeing the waterline of the target, even with our periscope 3-6 feet above the surface. So, at what altitude can the curvature of the earth be detected? My answer: At sea, 3 feet above sea level when staring at a contact more than two nautical miles distant. Legend had it that, when Columbus left Europe to sail to the New World, observers at the port where his three ships departed eventually saw only the masts of the ships as they sailed beyond the horizon. I’ve mentioned my experiences to flat-earthers on several occasions. Their response has been to use spherical geometry and circular argument to “prove” that what I saw were mirages. I’m reading Copernicus’ “On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres” now. A forward by a Protestant theologian, Andrew Osiander, in 1543 made the point that the large percentage of astronomers, mathematicians and philosophers of that time were either too lazy or had a vested interest in the theory of an earth-centered system of planetary motion and the accompanying idea of planetary epicycles to explain very large errors in planetary angular observations. So, five hundred years ago, the prevailing theory of planetary motion was protected by laziness, stupidity and arrogance. One man, Copernicus, offered a competing theory that explained and accounted for the large difference in observational errors. He and his theory were roundly attacked. That any planetary object revolves around any object other than the earth was sacrilege. What’s more, Copernicus was a trained theologian and deeply Catholic. It would not be until the invention by Galileo of a telescope and his discovery of the revolution of four moons of Jupiter revolving around that planet that confirmed that at least four “planetary” objects clearly did not revolve around the earth. While Galileo was forced to renege on his discovery by the Catholic Church, he retained his faith. The deeper and more meaningful lesson learned by us through Galileo’s and Copernicus’ experiences is that deep religious faith can be preserved in the face of dogmatic reaction. And that God’s Nature can be more accurately revealed to confirm our faith in Him through the scientific method. His World is wonderful, as is His Son.
"The deeper and more meaningful lesson learned by us through Galileo’s and Copernicus’ experiences is that deep religious faith can be preserved in the face of dogmatic reaction." The thing that frustrates me about flat earthers is how many of them want to make their belief about their religion versus an atheist globe conspiracy. Thank you for an eloquent explanation of how wrong these flat earthers are.
Thankyoi. Well writtn. I spent time on Little Cornwallis Island. ( north of tthe magnetic pole). You can stand on the ice and snow, turn in any direction...the curvature is every where As far as mirages go...some of them in south Albrta and Montana are so brilliant. Thet the only way to tell is the small space below them is slightly above the natural horizon and blurry. Thankyou
@@WrenOptional-nz2wc My experience with Arctic ice is that I travelled beneath it. Never had to surface while under the ice pack, but we were prepared to do so through thinner ice “lakes called “polynyas. The “track” of our under-ice transit began several miles south of the Bering Strait and ended as we entered the Barents Sea.
The biggest mistake is believing that everything has been confirmed , settled and no sense in looking for/at any better explanation . Then and Now ! Enough blind faith and dogma to go around for everyone .
Earth is flat, Pluto is a planet. NASA lied to us. We live in a computer simulated dome operating on ancient illuminati pyramid projector system that elon musk is upgrading to led solar panel display with star link. "Star link" Strange name if you dont know it will be used to display stars in the night sky. Solar panels are LED displays, just reverse the polarity. Elon even admitted we live in a computer simulation. Coincidence he will launch more led displays into orbit than number of "stars" we can see? I think not.
As a pilot, the curvature of the horizon is noticeable, but what’s more noticeable to me is the declination of the horizon from the horizontal. When a plane crosses our path ahead of us, if it is far enough away, a plane 1-2 thousand feet or so below us can still be above the apparent horizon. That means, when I look for them in front of me, I have to look “up” (from the visible horizon) to find them. Really interesting. P.S. One of the planes I fly initialises it’s magnetic orientation without using any kind of compass or magnetic detector. While the plane is parked, with nothing moving like flaps or controls, it can quite literally “feel” the rotation of the earth. Since the rotation is constant, in one direction, that’s how it aligns the compass. Now That is the epitome of the saying, “a sufficiently advanced level of technology is indistinguishable from magic.” (Arthur C. Clarke, from replies)
@JetStream90 "Arthur C Clarke" And the thing that "feels" Earth rotation, you talking about a self-nivelling gyroskop. A sophisticated piece of technology.
@@doofismannfred4778 Nah, they'd just believe you already had the orientation programmed in or had a GPS sensor somewhere. It is amazing that the instruments can be that sensitive.
"To get to this altitude (500 m), Mad Mike needed a steam powered rocket, whereas us normal people would have to content ourselves with climbing a hill" hahahahaha, brilliant
Captain Oblivious Fill a pressure vessel with steam, and then direct it out of a nozzle pointed downwards. It’s very inefficient by rocket standards, but not difficult to build.
@@captainoblivious_yt A rocket engine operates by expelling mass from the nozzle. As water boils into a gas that expands and is expelled from the nozzle. Your efficiency is going to be awful, but it'll work.
I am simply amazed how much effort some guys like Scott Manly make to give us fantastic videos like this. And for free! Thank you very much, Scott. It's truly amazing.
@@rend.1 Obviously I know it's a program that simulates how it would be, don't be ridiculous! I'm just saying it's fantastic that he goes through the effort to make such videos for our education and entertainment! Nowhere did I say that I thought he actually went to space!?!
@@wulfrache It doesn't amaze me at all. Everyone has a worldview. Again, EVERYONE has a worldview. Some call these paradigms. Others call these models. Still others calls these: "well, that's just the way the world works!" Our job in a civil world is to respect each other's worldview, offer reasoned alternatives to their worldview and ACCEPT their response with civility. The alternative to that reaction is denigration of their worldview and ad hominem attacks" "...these nuts...". 98% of the world's population in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries dogmatically believed that the earth was the center of our universe. Was Copernicus "nuts"? Was Galileo? Offer reasonable doubt and alternatives to those with different worldviews. But if they don't budge, and they are grown-ass adults, leave them to their opinions. But act personally with reason and doubt. For those higher in the hierarchical political chain, ... there's the rub. Public decisions must be made that require rejection, but not suppression of alternative views: First Amendment stuff in the US Constitution.
People often claim that the curvature is the result of the wide angle lenses used. What they fail to realize is that when these images are rectified (anybody can do it with a little math!), the curvature is still there....because the earth is spherical
Well of course it's spherical... It's just that to the naked eye the distorion caused by the lens is often many times stronger than the curvature of the Earth (especially on these amateur stratospheric baloons, which go up by 30 km tops). It often confuses the audience into believing, that what they see is the pure curvature of the planet.
I think this is interesting, most cameras have some fisheye effect to them, so do mobile cameras. Depending where you place the horizon in the picture you are taking, you get a bend. If you take a picture on a straight line and put it in the lower part you should get a bend where the edge of the line is bent up, so if you take a picture from an airliner and place the horizon on the lower part, and get a bend that goes down at the edges, then that is proof for a round earth.
True, even in an airplane it is pretty obvious, the reason you don´t see it so clearly in airplanes most of the time is because of clouds obscuring the horizon
Wouldn't say that other than the pandemic , usually every hundred years or so any way, look back . Its been a pretty decent year , america seems to be in chaos but everywhere else is coping and seeing positives out of things .
Earlier this year, my wife and I visited the Isle of Wight. While awaiting the ferry to go back to the mainland of Great Britain, I took a photograph from the Yarmouth pier up the Solent towards an anchored transport ship. I took the photo through the lens of my 12x binocular. The weather was very calm that day, there was just a little chop, and my eye level was about 10 feet above the water. Later, when I had a look at the photo I noticed that there was a sailboat presented broadside near the ship, but the thing standing out to me was that the hull of the sailboat was entirely obscured. The distance to the sailboat was approximately 10 km, I think. It was pretty clear to me that it was the curvature of the earth that was obscuring the sailboat's hull. And like I said, I was about 10 feet above the surface of the earth (sea) at that point.
I live next to a ferry port. I can watch the outgoing ferry through a pair of binoculars to see the same effect. Strangely, the lower hull always disappears while the upper decks and funnel remain visible longest. Never the other way around... ... Except for that unfortunate event, of course, but we don't talk about that! 🤔😂
The people that don't believe the earth is a sphere also tend to believe that the other planets are spheres for whatever godforsaken reason. But a lot of their reasoning is ultra deep religious stuff so arguing doesn't work.
How do the Flat Earth experts explain away this sort of thing ? If they were actually in the Space Station, what would they say? ALSO how do they describe the EDGE of Earth?,and how far do we have to go to find it ??
@@TOMAS-lh4er There arguments are that the poles are closely guarded by the global governments preventing you from seeing the edges when there is none cause its a sphere, NASA produces fake evidence with minimal or no proof supporting the claim, and they wouldn't be allowed on the ISS because of there lack of experience in actual science NASA uses. Thus preventing them from working on there because they believe that some of the sciences that NASA use is not real science when it is required to work in said conditions because it is real science. There real contradiction is there inability to produce 1 full blown model that includes every supposed fact they use. Instead 1 model per explanation to explain that specific point but not how it works with all the other points they spout without producing another model for that point that is easily susceptible to Oakum's razor philosophy because of there complicated nonsense. Unlike are explanation of it with spherical planets Earth included, and are proper factual understanding of them and space which is what we use. Which is able to produce 1 fluent model that explains pretty much all of are explanations to are best understanding of space. Some people amongst the sane masses who believe in proper science like me sometimes even put to question if there even true believers in this flat Earth theory. And that its just a group of trolls pretending to believe its true to uproot some chaos for pleasure because of the sheer absurdity of the claim it boarders on unbelievable to believe in that...
@@heavynetwork6804 That is not arrogance that is fact. And just to prove the locations irrelevance the Golden gate bridge is built with a slight curve to accommodate the curvature of the sphere that is earth. Because engineering and science have to take these things into account. Along with navigation because we live on a sphere you would be breaking a lot of physics laws if it was a plate. And if not then your susceptible to oakum's razor for posing something so ludicrously overcomplicated.
Actually glad he said that. Irks me that to this day. For example infographics that talk about the altitude of different things, use Felix's skydive as a reference and not Alan's. I actually questioned the author of one, and he said he used it because it's the more well known one. And even google when you search for "highest skydive", to this very day years after either event, the first search result is a story that lists Felix's flight as the highest. You have to search further down for the real answer. Alan's jump although the highest, might as well not exist. It's basically propagation and the spread of incorrect information due to Redbull's marketing.
@@Stewkers Skydiver here with 1500 jumps. We regard Felix as the record holder as he did a 'skydive' whereas Alan used a drogue to keep him stable, same as Joe Kittinger.
A paper by David K Lynch published in Applied Optics in 2008 investigated the required height that an observer had to be in order to visually identify the curvature of the Earth. The author concluded, “Visual daytime observations show that the minimum altitude at which curvature of the horizon can be detected is at or slightly below 35,000 ft, providing that the field of view is wide (60 degrees) and nearly cloud free.”
Navigators on ships and aircraft have used an instrument called a sextant to measure the angle between a celestial body and the earth’s horizon. Making several such measurements within a short time then using printed tables of celestial body motion allows the navigators to determine the position of the ship or aircraft at an estimated time. More accuracy is achieved by correcting for the observer’s height above the surface at the moment of observation. In effect, this mathematical correction is required to compensate for the (spherical) curvature of the earth. A sailboat sailor normally uses the height of their eye above the surface of the water - normally about 5 feet. A sailor on a modern nuclear-powered carrier will use about 120 feet. A sailor on a submarine using a sextant connected to the optics of a periscope will use about 3 feet - the vertical distance from the centerline of the periscope to the ocean’s surface when the boat is at periscope depth. I’ve presented this argument of improved accuracy of sextant fixes to flat-earth era. They dismiss the argument as mathematical mambo-jumbo. As a navigator on two nuclear-powered submarines, I could not dismiss this accuracy improvement. If I did so and the boat ran aground, I would be fired along with the boat’s Commanding Officer and Executive Officer and Assistant Navigator. Our naval careers, while not necessarily over, would be stunted.
@@davecorley5514 One of the more hilarious things is that flatters believe that GPS will give us correct lat/long position , "but on a flat earth, and it is not satellite based"!!😄 Their poor minds cannot visualize that if it does give correct position, one can quite easily use a GPS to demo whether earth earth is flat or not. It becomes hilarious, to say the least. I live on 45 deg N latitude. If using my GPS i move west along an east west road, 1/10th of a degree longitude, I will move bout 4.9 miles. Does my friend who lives on 45 S in Brazil move 15 miles??? No, he will move the same 4.9 miles This is how frustratingly incapable these people are at visualizing their own subject of interest
A mariner knows the answer. A submariner specifically knows the answer is about 1 ft. From that vantage point ships on the horizon can be seen entirely, partially, or just the mast tops depending on the range.
The Greeks figured out the earth was a sphere pretty early. I figure it was because they were sailors. Sail around on the sea long enough and it's hard not to conclude that the sea curves along with everything else over a giant ball.
@@harshtruthengineer1382 Wow you are so wrong it is embarrassing for you. As a sailor, at just 16 nautical miles every day I have seen ship's "hull down", in other words the hull is below the curvature of the earth. A sailor frequently sees just the bridge of a ship - and on a clear day with a telescope that becomes indisputable.
@@trafficjon400 Flat earther, looking at the earth's curve through a shuttle window in a trip to space: "Obviously, the windows are really computer screens and the view is CGI." Flat earther, floating in space in a space suit: "Obviously, the suit's visor is a computer screen, and the view is CGI." Flat earther, thrown out a hatch butt naked, with his last breath and as his eyeballs swell and burst: "Obviously, NASA knocked me out and inserted computer screen contact lenses, and the view is CGI."
On the ocean (s) if you are 6 feet tall and standing on the surface (sea level) you can only see 13 miles before it curves down away from your line of sight. We were all taught this in the Navy.Lookouts aboard ship can see much further because they are some times scores of feet above sea level.
Wonderful! This was so beautiful, and indeed displays just how easy it is to see the curvature of the Earth, and that the curve is not an "illusion due to refraction." Great job!
You must be a pleb or a peasant because part of the freemasons devine knowledge is that the earth is flat. They just say it's not. And what you see is what you have been told to see. It's Really lame to be a pleb or peasant? How is it I don't know because I'm way better than most people. And I'm in the know and have been versed in the devine knowledge. And I see you are not.
Dang, I didn't even know YT had a capability of having 3D videos where you can tilt the camera. This is first one I have seen. I wondered a bit when you said something about being able to see something or other and all I could see was space. Only at that time I noticed that arrow-thingy at the corner of the video. Cool. Expecting to get more of these. Now to watch this thing again...
This is nothing more than digitally recreated "virtual" animation ~ a pseudo-reality. If someone wanted to fake a video of earth curvature this is exactly how they would do it, simply because it is the easiest way to do it. It proves absolutely nothing, except that most people are naive, gullible, unsophisticated and can be played like a piano. Holy crap!... how trivial, insipid, jejune, and inconsequential can you possibly get?
Great video as always, but you missed a golden opportunity to "crash" back to earth and end with "and this is what you'd see if you didn't...fly safe 😎"
Sea level: even the ancients were capable of drawing the inference of the earth’s curvature by observing the approach of ships, or watching mountains appear to rise from the sea as a vessel drew closer to shore.
This is why the ancients understood that the earth was a sphere, and a Greek mathematician was even able to calculate its circumference with remarkable accuracy based on surveys made at the time.
From about 100ft or so on a road near Gibraltar you could use the hills of the coast and The Rock, you could see the ocean out in front and you could actually see the rise in the middle of the water itself. Add in the observation of masts of the old sailing ships etc… become quite obvious except to the delirious
The FES was originally a joke membership thing in Punch magazine classifieds section London circa 1970s or so , send a small $$$ and include a SAE and get a membership card. Professional shills resurrected the things for the cable TV and the internet generation, ditto bigfoot UFOs ancient aliens. All discredited concepts in the 70s apart from a very small number of laughable shill publishers. Von Daniken etc.
@@joefish6091 I always wondered if any of the flat earthers believe it or if they just want to see how far they can go getting you to put together counter-arguments. I figure that if you're very stupid, all you need is "here's a picture from space" and if you are very smart...a picture from space is fine too, although there are plenty of other ways to show it. So where do you have to be in the middle? You'd have to be stupid enough to reject logic, skeptical enough to reject general knowledge, or be part of a religion that still accepts that the Earth is flat, but I don't know of any that still think that. You'd need to be articulate enough to make a case that won't be dismissed as an illiterate diatribe, and rational enough to make a pseudo refutation of any counter arguments. I just don't see a middle ground that supports all those disparate attributes. Then again, there's mental illness. I don't mean to disparage those with mental illness, but it can lead to that sort of incongruity. So it started as a joke, and the new joke might be "we really mean it...can you believe that they think that we really mean it, those idiots?" or there might be people who believe it. My challenge is to anybody who can prove that flat earthers really exist and they aren't just trolling everybody.
@Todd Winter Your test is one of the ways to prove that the earth IS round. It can even be done with the great lakes. When ships go out to sea, their appearance doesn't become smaller until they disappear. They keep looking lower and lower until you see only the tops of them. It's easy to verify with binoculars. Likewise, if you look at an oil platform 80 miles out with a telescope, you will not see the bottom of it. Try sending somebody out there with a boat. You won't see the boat when it's next to the platform. If you could see where the laser hit, you'd be able to see a boat. The person in the boat can see where the laser hits, and it won't be a foot above sea level.
@rafik It's a very juvenile simplistic joke/idea but it hits home quite sharply on the dot. And actually, if one flerfer wants to say hi to another flerfer across the ocean, wouldn't it be possible based on their logic, to just wave from the roof of one's house with the aid of telescopes and binocs, of course?
@@benjamindrayton1380 I have lived in both, and I will take MK any day of the week. Granted, it looks grim and very repetitive as seen from the thoroughfares, but these separated islands of habitation in between the roundabouts are nice little villages for the most part. Cov is just suicidal depression made flesh.
You don't even need to go high at all. I can observe the curvature while standing on the sand dunes at Ocean Beach in San Francisco, and looking out into the Pacific Ocean.
First time I watched a VR-Video on TH-cam, I am fascinated! Every single second is fun, I love the ISS, being from Switzerland I obviously connect to the alps and the meditarrenean sea, but also the moon and the planets are fun. Thanks for preparing and sharing!
"Lay down on a beach. Wait till the sun sets then stand up and watch it set again. Sphere proven." how exactly would this prove a sphere...? wouldn't this happen the same way if the earth is flat? you would get up and you could see the sun again...
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 On a flat earth you would not see a horizon. It is because the horizon is near the trick can work. And a sun over a flat earth would not go up and down at the horizon.
@@ReinoGoo it depends on how the dynamics of this flat earth are and where on it you are... since it's a ridiculous concept anyways i was assuming that this flat plane would be still spinning in a way where there is a sun rise and so on. the sun disapperas behind the edge and if you get up, you would see it again
Flat Earth is nothing but the failure to recognize and accept reality. All who believe and preach it have damaged souls. The classic definition of insanity is the belief in that which isn't so. Therefore, to the insane, reality is proof of a conspiracy against them.
One should be able to visually detect even 2 degrees of variance from level. It takes concentration. Try going to a 14,000 peak in Colorado or go to Mt. Whitney. Once you see it you can't unsee it.
What flat-earthers seems to miss is that even a flat earth would have a curvature if you go high enough. The real thing that shows that it's a globe is that you only see a fairly small portion of the earth even if you are pretty high up. If the earth was flat, you would basically see the whole earth as soon as you go over the mountaintops.
@@allstarwatt7246 "But if the Earth was flat, gravity would quickly cause it to collapse in on itself and become spherical." Which is why flat earthers make a big thing of trying to convince people that gravity doesn't exist.
I've seen Polaroid photos my grandfather, Vic Horton, took from rear cockpit of the YF-12A Blackbird above 80,000 feet. The curvature is clearly visible. He was a NASA test pilot.
@@steel1968 _"even with a fisheye lens, a straight line/horizontal line is still straight."_ - a straight line that goes through the centre of view is still straight when seen through a fisheye lens. Any other straight line isn't; it bends away from the centre.
I'm a business jet pilot. Most modern business jets typically fly higher than your typical airliner. In my experience, you will begin to notice the curvature of Earth on a clear day at 41 thousand feet (12.5 km). At 45 thousand feet (13.7 km) on a clear day you can definitely notice the Earth's curvature.
That's really interesting that a few extra thousand feet would make that much difference. Yet most people fly in airliners rather than business jets, so perhaps there would be fewer flerfers if airliner cruising altitude was a bit higher 😅
We've definitely devolved back into the dark ages here in North America. I don't think anybody could have predicted that Mussolini would reincarnate as a brainless sweaty blob of discarded marmalade with a penchant for bankrupting scam companies & now an entire country...and not just financially bankrupt. All the while paying off hookers to prevent them from writing books about his tiny penis & shopping for vapid Eastern Bloc mail-order brides.
@@RCAvhstape I live on an island just ~19 miles off the coast of Venezuela.(my YT username is a major hint) And to point out just how totally fucked up the situation is in Chavezstan...errrr Madurostan...errrr...Venezuela, I mean, our tiny little island nation is sending humanitarian relief to that ass backwards hovel of a nation. At last count we had about 15k Venezuelan "asylum seekers" to put up with. Our island's population is barely above 110k citizens, give or take a couple thousand extra illegal immigrants. Or in other words > 10%. And a "shithole" according to the degenerate fuckhead in the White House.
As an ex-seaman I spent countless hours on watch/helm duty typically on a bridge around 30m above sea level, horizon approx 20-22 miles in good conditions in open sea. The first time I went up as a junior rating the first thing I thought looking about was that the earth was clearly round.
A trick question! The answer is about 30 feet, providing you’re on the deck of a ship in the ocean. From that vantage point you can clearly see, as other ships approach, that the surface of the ocean is curved in every direction. That is how come people in seafaring nations have known that the Earth is a sphere for thousands of years.
It's pretty clear from my 12th floor beachside condo, even without reference to the ships. You can distinctly see it curve away to the left and right horizons.
@@johnwinward2421 That is not the radius of earth from the 12th floor, that is actually an optical effect. I forget the detail at the moment but basically it has something to do with limited sight distance interacting with viewing angle and possibly some atmospheric diffraction. The actual radius is much larger.
Also, from the deck of a ship, one must include a horizon dip correction to sextant readings since even at that altitude, the ocean horizon is just measurably more than 90 degrees from the zenith. From 1,000 feet, the dip is about 1/2 degree, so from a hill that high with an ocean horizon, the Earth is 179 deg. wide, too large to see the curve but easily measurable. Sunsets are delayed by a minimum of 2 minutes compared to the same spot at sea level.
@@anthonycook6213 however, if you look at the progression of the image of a ship approaching or an island as you approach it you can see clear evidence that the surface of the water is curved. Since this effect can be noticed in all directions, this means that the surface of the water is spherical.
@@SeanPat1001 I don't disagree. I am only suggesting that even if the horizon may appear flat, there are other measurements that can be made to show that it is not. Of course the effect you mention is consistent with this.
It would be extra special if you could produce a virtual reality vid of the moon that reveals the many different cheese producing regions by type, quality and grade. 😂
I wish I could have the honor of living on a moon of Saturn. I could only imagine the beauty of waking up in the morning and looking outside and seeing those magnificent rings so close and so clearly.
Can see the curvature of the earth from my brother’s front porch perched far back on a bluff above Fort Casey in Coupeville, Washington. It overlooks a stretch of open ocean between the northern tip of the Olympic Peninsula and the southern tip of Vancouver Island! He and his family have a million dollar view!
If you are in fairly calm water with just your eyeballs showing, you can only see the water just a short distance in front of you. As you come up out of the water you can see the water farther and farther away. That proves the water is not flat. It is curved. So is the Earth.
I conquered my fear of heights a while ago (mostly) but this somehow brought it back a bit. I don't know why...I love space games and flying games but I actually felt a bit of anxiety for some reason looking at this video. Either way, though, it's still awesome!
Doesn't need that many drinks. Just sit where there are trees silhouetted against the stars near the celestial equator and watch while you sip your vodka and tonic. Amazing what you can dissolve in vodka.
At low altitudes make the following observations: 1. Looking out over calm waters you can simply note that the horizon is roughly equidistant in all directions and thus forms a circle around you. 2. The horizon is sharp at lower altitudes and only grows fuzzy at higher altitudes when the horizon is more distant. Thus the horizon cannot be due to atmospheric extinction or it would be fuzzy down low. 3. then you merely need the intellect beyond that of a snail and you can understand that a circle going around you CANNOT actually be a straight line in any direction and thus MUST curve around you. Thus the horizon is CURVED, regardless of why you think that is. It also happens to curve as we expect on an Earth-sized globe. Also… At about 800m you can place a long builders level horizontally and level and use a high resolution, wide-angle camera lens (ideally a rectilinear lens) and observe the horizon “Sagitta” curvature. But with a moment of thought you will realize that this an oval shape, because horizons are NOT you seeing the “limbs of the Earth”, the horizon is a circle in horizontal plane viewed nearly edge on from the center (at these lower altitudes). And Circles viewed at an angle are oval shaped.
As a five year old, we climbed the hill behind the house at dusk and were able to see the growing carpet of squid boat lights. The higher, the more lights we could see. Standing on the beech we could watch the ship's superstructures become shortening as ships motored to far away ports.
In 1974 on a flight to Guam in a stretched DC-8, we were given special clearance to 44,000 to avoid a typhoon. From that altitude the sky was dark indigo, and the curvature of the earth was evident. It's the highest altitude I've ever been, and I'll never forget it.
When I climb a small mountain from sea level, I can see a change in curvature relative to the change in elevation. The curvature of the Earth is a lot more visible than everyone thinks, especially for people with a wide POV like me. I hypothesize that flat earthers have a narrow POV, and so the lensing of the eyes is different from mine.
I've been to Sandy Hook, NJ if one does carefully look on a clear day towards the Verrazano Bridge, you can see the suspension towers being slightly tilted (not much) in order to compensate for the curvature of the Earth.
Its not the eyes, its the bit above them. One your normal human head there's this great big dome full of brain. The flat earther doesn't need that, about half an inch above the eyes then the top is just flat. ('flat like the Earth' they would say) Its surprising there aren't more flat earthers in politics. In the UK no one with an IQ over 80 is even allowed inside the Parliament building. - Of course that's virtually genius level compared to most flat earthers.. :D
about 5 feet will do when your sat on a yacht and a large ship comes over the horizon,best view I've ever had you literally see the curve of the earth.
@@awatt is perhaps vision impaired or has limited ability to comprehend reality or can't do basic information search with out acute cognitive dissonance clouding all judgement before even a rational and coherent question is posted. WHAT !🤡
What I wanna know is this....with a constant, unedited, video that starts out with no fisheye lense....that goes up and up and up....until you can see the horizon curve....how did the fisheye lense get on the camera that has no facility to change lenses in the first place???
I one time took a commercial flight the pilot addressed the passengers to indicate we were flying at 41K feet. The near maximum ceiling for a 737 but an exceptionally clear day with favorable winds and he pointed out the Earth's curvature was visible. It clearly was.
@@snowman80082 It is definitely possible. I fly corporate jets that can reach 51,000 ft. From above 40,000 ft on a clear day you can easily see the curve.
@@Wolfie6020 I'm not a flat earth person, by any means. But lately one of my friends fell through the hole, and I've been trying to get him out. Nothing is working so now I'm on the internet constantly disproving his theories.
And what's equally as clever as the content you have created is the help you will get directly from flat earthers with all their crazy comments helping the TH-cam algorithm grow your channel! Nicely done sir.
@@clownssschwab6394 Because the parameters aren't a dream world delusion such as flat earthing, the parameters are a direct and to scale representation of our planet. That won't matter to flat earthers though as they are on a planet of their own.
4:19 Pretty sure you started off the waters of the Ligurian Sea, those recognizable peninsulas are Portofino and the Cinque Terre in Italy :) Wonderful views
I'm suffering from a pinched nerve in my neck. My first thought when I saw the video title was the large dose of co-codamol (90mg codeine/1.5g paracetamol) that I had the day before yesterday. 😵
I’m a little late to the party watching this but I’ll tell you Scott this is a really good video. I really liked the presentation and I really like how you equated it to different events at different heights and who saw what. And then following it up with other astronomical bodies was just great.
Yes, other "astronomical bodies" -- like Venus, where the distant horizon is curved UP, not down, due to what? Dense atmosphere, composition, or heat, or all of the above. Me, I want to see the "horizon" from the Helles Basin on Mars, where I believe we have been foolish to avoid. The pressure there is the highest on that planet, and may induce liquid water. . .
i don't get how people think that way... "i have never been 100km up, therefore i don't know it" seems much more reasonable than just forming opinions based on missing knowledge
@@bobcranberries5853 Exactly. They're trolling for the lulz. Even back in the 60's at least one national society--The Canadian Flat-Earth Society--was tacitly acknowledging the thing was a practical joke. It was also very hard to get membership in; you had to be a celebrity, academic, etc.; someone with credentials. There are moon-landing denialists, but no flat-earthers. The whole topic is incredibly boring at this point and I'm glad it's winding down.
Or you can go to Lake Minnewanka in Alberta, Canada on a nice, reasonably calm day, find a stretch where you can see for about 7km straight across the lake, pick an object on the far shore that you can just barely see, and then crouch down on the spot. Assuming you're about 6 feet tall, said object will disappear the closer your eyes get to the surface of the lake. Or just watch Dan Olson's video "In Search of a Flat Earth", where he does this exact experiment with a camera jig.
I have seen buildings in the Toronto skyline that should be too short to be seen, while sitting down on the beach on the south shore about 50 km away with the NAKED EYE.
Scott!! What an experience...visually and mentally (not least because of your intelligent commentary!) As a physics teacher I was absolutely mesmerized by this demonstration!! Have to show show it to my grandchildren. Thank you so much for that beautiful work of (computational) art!! Michael B. Butter, Dresden, Germany
@@Research0digo Virtue signaling much?? I am more sorry about what my beautiful German people did to beautiful groups of citizens in their own beautiful country. And what they hoped to do to the beautiful world. When people behave that way, they should expect what happened. The German people were not victims, they were perpetrators. Glad my parents werent in Germany anymore as the whole country went insane and into the abyss We didnt want that war, didnt start that war, but when persuaded, we ended it, and Dresden was part of ending it. 25000 civilians died. In that war, started by Germany, in Europe, 300,000 Americans died. They died trying to put down insane people. In that war, the German nation slaughtered roughly 10,000,000 noncombatents within the area they controlled. But how nice, you are apologizing for destroying Dresden. Look at those numbers again, do I need to say more. When a country gets involved in madness like this, the civilians in the country are not victims
bingo. I lived a large portion of my life (most summers) at our house on the beach, and you could see it just looking at the horizon. very minute but definitely visible
I've always wondered this question. Also dang I'm early for once. Personally I seem to notice it slightly around FL200. but I've been able to clearly see it in an airliner that I believe was at FL320
Question about this: At sea level, working on fishing boats, I have seen other larger boats on the horizon, past the horizon with lower portion occluded, and mountains on coast far behind and partially well below the horizon. To me it seems with clear conditions sitting right at sea level visually shows the curvature, from the amount of height of a ship one can see above the horizon depending on distance. At night watching ships lights fall below the horizon with the highest mast mounted lights disappearing last is noticeable. Lighthouses appear from the top down as well. Does not seem flat from a boat after enough experience navigating and piloting the vessel. The curve is a factor one deals with. Is this wrong Scott? Some kind of optical illusion? It seems like one can see pretty well how things seem to rise and shrink receding towards the horizon, but then they 'fall over' the horizon and start to drop down in ones view, as they disappear from the bottom up behind the horizon. Viewed both with bare eyes and with good binoculars through polarized lenses. We were well equipped optically, several binocs and a set of NV goggles for good measure (boat captain was techy consumer long before it was trendy, had all the cool gadgets). Operated the vessel on radar in thick fog, and wondering about radar view as well. Seems like the range dependent on height of target on a not very tall boat at sea level, indicating curvature. So I think you can be at just a few feet elevation above sea level and see the curvature of the earth, persons height standing on deck so around 7-8 feet above sea level. Its just your seeing it by interpreting the relative height, size, and occlusion of objects in your field of view. I guess it may not be an obvious 'at first glance' type visual confirmation though, one has to focus on different objects and think a little.
Your observation is completely correct. Scott was talking about directly seeing the curve here. As in "from left to right" in your view. What you see when objects disappear behind the horizon is the effect of the "forward and back" curvature from your point of view, for a lack of a better word right now. You can see the effect of the curvature at sea-level, which is exactly what you described, but you can't see the curvature itself directly at sea level, because the horizon appears, due to the size of earth, as a straight line. I hope my explanation works, cause i'm not a native speaker.
Thats exactly right and completely possible. There have been many videos posted ( although not very good ones ) that show ships disappearing over the horizon from the bottom up and you can easily see less of tall mountains on the horizon if you are at sea level. If you remained at the same distance away and climbed a nearby hill you would gradually be able to see more and more of the occluded distant object. Of course flat morons will immediately always start yelling about refraction and atmospheric lensing without actually knowing how that works but still like to use it as they are big clever sounding words that help them dupe other stupid flat earthers.
AlohaMilton are you are right, the main difference is though, people who work at sea are actually interested in reality because they need to get home, where as most flat earthers don’t do more than watch TH-cam videos which convinced them that anything they do see that might contradict the video is somehow suspicious
Videos like these always make me appreciate technology. It brings out the child in me to see the earth and our solar system in this way. Thank you for the cool video scott!
I fish offshore regularly and if you go far enough away from shore you can see the curvature of the earth. We go 100+ miles off shore and you can definetly see it although its slight. You sort of get the impression of being on a bowl looking down in every direction on a clear day.
I worked offshore in the oil field for over 30 years. When coming in from offshore on a vessel you can watch radio towers grow. At first you can see the very top of the tower only and the closer you get to shore you can watch the Tower grow as you get closer to land.
Even a couple of metres of height adds to the effect, so it's something you'll see more easily from an upper deck on a large vessel. We have to correct for it when shooting an altitude with a sextant.
No I disagree, what you see is the horizon at about 2or 3 kilometres away . That's your eye level , if you rotate you see the same horizon around you and that creates a disc. not a curvature of a globe.
@@pauljeavons4350 No, I disagree. As several here have said - you see masts growing . A ship approaching does not suddenly appear but grows gradually making it obvious that we are on a curved surface. Since the same effect appears everywhere there is only one shape that satisfies the experiences of sea-going people - a sphere.
p.s. To previous comment: 1:34 Refraction, as that caused by an inversion in the lower atmosphere, can distort the curvature of the horizon, and display landforms maybe 30 miles distant. I have seen this in the arctic. By angulation [Trig] you can estimate the Earth's curvature by knowing the distance of the perceived object, mountain, et c. that is being projected into the sky. You go for it, Scott! And big Thank you for these fun vids!
Nice. I loved seeing Sardinia and Sicily and Mallorca appear over the horizon one at a time just like they do on an Earth that is a globe. Suck it flerfs, we have a model that works.
Amazing. I didn’t realize at first that the video was interactive on my iPhone. When he mentioned seeing Africa to the south and part of the UK to the north, I couldn’t see those areas until I swiped the screen on my phone. Totally amazing video.
Whoa!!! Glad I read your comment before moving along. I didn't know this upload was interactive either. Didn't even know interactive videos existed on TH-cam.
I've flown to 82,000 feetx and the curvature was readily apparent. In fact, at 40,000 ft, the curve is apparent when looking out through a large canopy.
Yep. In my experience, at 41000 feet on a clear day you will start to notice the curvature (if you have a nice big window to look out of). At 45000 feet the Earth's curvature is quite noticeable on a clear day.
Agree. I visited FL500 routinely flying Functional Check Flights (FCFs) in Okinawa in the F-15C when decelerating from FL400 and 1.7+ Mach. The curvature was easily seen from a bubble canopy fighter over the Pacific Ocean...breathtaking! My record (straight and level) in the Mighty Eagle was Mach 2.12 (CAL) at FL400 straight & level. Max Q that day was Mach 2.15, and I didn't want risk to hurting the jet. JASDF Radar (I had to ask!) said my groundspeed was 1,269 knots. I'll take that & there was MUCH rejoicing! Miss those days.
OMG Scott... at one point, I was thinking... why I'm looking to the sky, why does Scott talking about seeing Italy and Africa... I don't see them... Later I didn't see any earth at all and still got it, and then I saw those controls in the left corner... Wow, this was by far the best things I have seen!
You can litterally see the Earth's curvature from ground level standing on any beach. I lived in Florida and I could easily see that the ocean surface is curved across the horizon.
Here's how that works. You can only see so far in any direction. As you look to either side of straight to the horizon, you can only see the same distance, appearing to be a curve. Look from Fort Myers Beach to Naples, about 25 miles, should be a little more than 400 feet of curve. There's a few ways to figure it out for yourself if you like. It"s just not there. Myrtle Beach, 60 miles of crescent beach, one end to the other, should be 2,400 feet of curve. It's just not there. Watch the sun set or rise from the beach. The sun's reflection comes from the horizon right up to where the water meets the sand. Impossible if it's curved. Waves inches high cast shadows, the great "curve" of the earth does not. Because....it's not curved. But.....you just keep believing you live on a spinning ball and for haven's sake, wear a mask.
@@notheorytrue lol, if the ocean was flat and I could only see so far left and right and center it would NOT look like a curve it would look flat... you don't sound very smart
notheorytrue your very first statement is wrong. You say “you can only see so far in any direction.” Bullshit! You can see whatever photons of light enter your eye. There is no magic (or physics) that tells objects a certain distance away to become invisible to you, If you look at the sun you can see 93.5 million miles away; if you look at the ground you can see less than 6 feet away (assuming you are standing on the ground); what you see is limited to what photons enter your eyeball (in sufficient quantities and able to be focused on the retina). So that statement is at best meaningless. You also have apparently never been to a beach, or else are incapable of accurately observing and reporting what you see (or perhaps you are simply lying) because the phenomena you describe simply *never happen* in real life. You mention Myrtle beach, if you had actually ever watched a sunrise there you would have seen how the top of the Ferris Wheel is the first thing lit by the rising sun, and the sun’s glow appears to travel down the Wheel, (and the East side of the hotel just to the north) as the sun continues to come up. If you are standing on the beach as this happens and turn to face the rising sun and watch as the first sliver of the sun’s disc appears over the horizon, then immediately sit down on the sand you will get to see the sun rise a second time.
This. I first noticed that it wasn't framed very well. And then noticed the framing changed when I moved the phone... I guess I don't get out much... but I was unaware this was something you could see/do in TH-cam. Very good use of the capability.
Don Lind you can buy a 360° camera (I recommend the Insta360 one R) and make your own VR videos to upload to TH-cam. There are hundreds and hundreds out there, people skateboarding and biking and skiing etc etc, it’s not just CGI space movies.
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That bit about the kid on the plane sounded way too specific.
But horribly accurate! I haven't had a window seat for fifteen bloody years - and I'm the only one who actually WANTS to look out of the window!!
kids ruin everything. and so do most adults.
I think Scott might be a little salty about his last flight, just a hunch
Probably hasn't had many flights recently, and probably bitter about his last one.
I didn't fly often, but several times a year for business, and I don't think I've ever ended up next to a kid. Let the kid look out during takeoff, that's the most exciting bit anyway, then have them and their fellow traveler take middle and aisle. Parents don't like dragging kids over people to the bathroom either.
At my age an aisle seat is far more attractive to my bladder than the window view is to my eyes.
"How High Do You Have To Be To See The Curvature of The Earth?"
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Third joint usually does it for me, *depending on the carpet.*
Ya but that’s only if you are a flat earther……
Took the words right from my mouth.
Superblocky
Came here looking for this comment. Was not disappointed.
Haha you beat me! 😂
Scott after reviewing comments: Why, why did I have to title it How High Do You Have To Be...
It is good for the algorithm to get that kind of interaction.
that was def on porpoise
I only clicked so I could read the comments!
@@57thorns Mastermind level. :)
How high do you have to be to title your video this way?
Thanks for the video.
I was an officer on three nuclear powered submarines during the 70s and 80s. I spent 2-1/4 years of my life below the surface of the world’s oceans.
As a part of that time, I stood hundreds of OOD (Officer of the Deck) watches. Part of the routine of an OOD’s watch routine was bringing the sub to communications depth. At communications depth (periscope depth) a continuous visual watch on at least one of the two optical periscopes was required. Periscope depth time was usually about twenty minutes with about ten-to-twelve hours between excursions.
At PD, the observer was required to rotate the scope at about six degrees per second, searching for surface contacts. When a contact was detected, the observer would make a visual observation, providing true bearing, subtended vertical angle from the contact’s waterline to the tip of their tallest mast, and the contact’s angle-on-the bow.
The periscope optics contained a reticle with horizontal markings placed at even intervals from the low point to the high point of the optical field of view. The observer would estimate the number of these horizontal markings that were subtended by the contact. He would report this as, for example, “2-1/2 divisions in high power, use 100 foot masthead height.” A circular slide rule was used to convert the measured division count to contact 1:22 range.
Now to the point: Depending upon the sea state, mission stealth objectives and other factors, the OOD would command the Diving Officer of the Watch to maintain keel depth such that anywhere from three to six feet of periscope mast was exposed above the surface. But a contact beyond about ten thousand yards (five nautical miles) would ALWAYS be “hull-down”, meaning that the curvature of the earth prohibited the OOD from seeing the waterline of the target, even with our periscope 3-6 feet above the surface.
So, at what altitude can the curvature of the earth be detected? My answer: At sea, 3 feet above sea level when staring at a contact more than two nautical miles distant.
Legend had it that, when Columbus left Europe to sail to the New World, observers at the port where his three ships departed eventually saw only the masts of the ships as they sailed beyond the horizon.
I’ve mentioned my experiences to flat-earthers on several occasions. Their response has been to use spherical geometry and circular argument to “prove” that what I saw were mirages.
I’m reading Copernicus’ “On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres” now. A forward by a Protestant theologian, Andrew Osiander, in 1543 made the point that the large percentage of astronomers, mathematicians and philosophers of that time were either too lazy or had a vested interest in the theory of an earth-centered system of planetary motion and the accompanying idea of planetary epicycles to explain very large errors in planetary angular observations.
So, five hundred years ago, the prevailing theory of planetary motion was protected by laziness, stupidity and arrogance. One man, Copernicus, offered a competing theory that explained and accounted for the large difference in observational errors. He and his theory were roundly attacked. That any planetary object revolves around any object other than the earth was sacrilege. What’s more, Copernicus was a trained theologian and deeply Catholic.
It would not be until the invention by Galileo of a telescope and his discovery of the revolution of four moons of Jupiter revolving around that planet that confirmed that at least four “planetary” objects clearly did not revolve around the earth.
While Galileo was forced to renege on his discovery by the Catholic Church, he retained his faith. The deeper and more meaningful lesson learned by us through Galileo’s and Copernicus’ experiences is that deep religious faith can be preserved in the face of dogmatic reaction. And that God’s Nature can be more accurately revealed to confirm our faith in Him through the scientific method. His World is wonderful, as is His Son.
Thank you for such an educational and detailed comment.
"The deeper and more meaningful lesson learned by us through Galileo’s and Copernicus’ experiences is that deep religious faith can be preserved in the face of dogmatic reaction."
The thing that frustrates me about flat earthers is how many of them want to make their belief about their religion versus an atheist globe conspiracy. Thank you for an eloquent explanation of how wrong these flat earthers are.
Thankyoi. Well writtn. I spent time on Little Cornwallis Island. ( north of tthe magnetic pole). You can stand on the ice and snow, turn in any direction...the curvature is every where
As far as mirages go...some of them in south Albrta and Montana are so brilliant. Thet the only way to tell is the small space below them is slightly above the natural horizon and blurry. Thankyou
@@WrenOptional-nz2wc My experience with Arctic ice is that I travelled beneath it. Never had to surface while under the ice pack, but we were prepared to do so through thinner ice “lakes called “polynyas. The “track” of our under-ice transit began several miles south of the Bering Strait and ended as we entered the Barents Sea.
The biggest mistake is believing that everything has been confirmed , settled and no sense in looking for/at any better explanation . Then and Now ! Enough blind faith and dogma to go around for everyone .
Let's appreciate him that he went to pluto to record this
More than that, he went out to Pluto.
@@thatman8562 true I'll change it
The power of cameraman
Earth is flat, Pluto is a planet. NASA lied to us. We live in a computer simulated dome operating on ancient illuminati pyramid projector system that elon musk is upgrading to led solar panel display with star link. "Star link" Strange name if you dont know it will be used to display stars in the night sky. Solar panels are LED displays, just reverse the polarity. Elon even admitted we live in a computer simulation. Coincidence he will launch more led displays into orbit than number of "stars" we can see? I think not.
@@pluto8404 I see why they kicked you out now.
As a pilot, the curvature of the horizon is noticeable, but what’s more noticeable to me is the declination of the horizon from the horizontal. When a plane crosses our path ahead of us, if it is far enough away, a plane 1-2 thousand feet or so below us can still be above the apparent horizon. That means, when I look for them in front of me, I have to look “up” (from the visible horizon) to find them. Really interesting.
P.S. One of the planes I fly initialises it’s magnetic orientation without using any kind of compass or magnetic detector. While the plane is parked, with nothing moving like flaps or controls, it can quite literally “feel” the rotation of the earth. Since the rotation is constant, in one direction, that’s how it aligns the compass. Now That is the epitome of the saying, “a sufficiently advanced level of technology is indistinguishable from magic.” (Arthur C. Clarke, from replies)
@JetStream90 "Arthur C Clarke"
And the thing that "feels" Earth rotation,
you talking about a self-nivelling gyroskop.
A sophisticated piece of technology.
IRUs are a thing of beauty for disproving flat Earthers. 😎👍
@@doofismannfred4778 Nah, they'd just believe you already had the orientation programmed in or had a GPS sensor somewhere.
It is amazing that the instruments can be that sensitive.
@@games1004 And that all pilots are liars and that they have signed contracts with the Gov saying that they will not tell the public about flat earth
Damn, good eyes.
"To get to this altitude (500 m), Mad Mike needed a steam powered rocket, whereas us normal people would have to content ourselves with climbing a hill" hahahahaha, brilliant
Yep, dumbass Mike didn't even get above the surrounding mountains.
WTF even is a "steam powered rocket". Like how would you even propel a rocket with steam in the first place?
Captain Oblivious Fill a pressure vessel with steam, and then direct it out of a nozzle pointed downwards. It’s very inefficient by rocket standards, but not difficult to build.
@@captainoblivious_yt A rocket engine operates by expelling mass from the nozzle. As water boils into a gas that expands and is expelled from the nozzle.
Your efficiency is going to be awful, but it'll work.
@@captainoblivious_ytA fuel source, hot water, a pressurised boiler, a piston or two Duh!!!!😉🙄😁🤣😃😄😅😆 😂🤗
I am simply amazed how much effort some guys like Scott Manly make to give us fantastic videos like this. And for free! Thank you very much, Scott. It's truly amazing.
Bro the video is fake what are you talking about ?!!!
@@rend.1 Obviously I know it's a program that simulates how it would be, don't be ridiculous! I'm just saying it's fantastic that he goes through the effort to make such videos for our education and entertainment! Nowhere did I say that I thought he actually went to space!?!
@@antonburger01
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IT amazes me the length these nuts will go to in order to perpetuate the "round" earth theory.
@@wulfrache It doesn't amaze me at all. Everyone has a worldview. Again, EVERYONE has a worldview. Some call these paradigms. Others call these models. Still others calls these: "well, that's just the way the world works!" Our job in a civil world is to respect each other's worldview, offer reasoned alternatives to their worldview and ACCEPT their response with civility.
The alternative to that reaction is denigration of their worldview and ad hominem attacks" "...these nuts...". 98% of the world's population in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries dogmatically believed that the earth was the center of our universe. Was Copernicus "nuts"? Was Galileo?
Offer reasonable doubt and alternatives to those with different worldviews. But if they don't budge, and they are grown-ass adults, leave them to their opinions. But act personally with reason and doubt. For those higher in the hierarchical political chain, ... there's the rub. Public decisions must be made that require rejection, but not suppression of alternative views: First Amendment stuff in the US Constitution.
"The horizon is depressed"
Me too man, me too...
Cheer up brother.. at least you don't have a lot of things crawling around on you... do you?
Funny comment, but if anybody reading this is actually depressed or have other mental health issues then seek therapy and start working on the issue
@@tinkmarshino we all harbor numerous microbes and mites on our skin. So yes, he does.
@@Guru_1092 I stand corrected my brother.. you are correct...
which is why you need to get high
People often claim that the curvature is the result of the wide angle lenses used. What they fail to realize is that when these images are rectified (anybody can do it with a little math!), the curvature is still there....because the earth is spherical
You can debunk their shitty curvature argument with a hula hoop.
The obvious counter to that is that if it was a fisheye lense, the curve would invert whenever the camera tilted down, but it doesn't
They could literally wear PPE and float until they see the curvature using balloons. They're too retarded for that though.
Well of course it's spherical... It's just that to the naked eye the distorion caused by the lens is often many times stronger than the curvature of the Earth (especially on these amateur stratospheric baloons, which go up by 30 km tops). It often confuses the audience into believing, that what they see is the pure curvature of the planet.
I think this is interesting, most cameras have some fisheye effect to them, so do mobile cameras. Depending where you place the horizon in the picture you are taking, you get a bend. If you take a picture on a straight line and put it in the lower part you should get a bend where the edge of the line is bent up, so if you take a picture from an airliner and place the horizon on the lower part, and get a bend that goes down at the edges, then that is proof for a round earth.
"How high do you have to be to see the curve of earth?" Me: I don't know, but we bout to find out *lights a bong*
@Ry Guy I steal no comments. I abhor plagiarism.
I miss my bong T__T pipes just make it so harsh.
This is the content I was looking for 🤣
Smoke two joints, and then smoke two joints...
Came 4 this
Not as high as you have to be to think the earth is flat..
You can actually see it within a few miles. The question is, "How high do you have to be NOT to see the curvature of the Earth?"
High on religion.
About 50 mg according to a quick googling.
True, even in an airplane it is pretty obvious, the reason you don´t see it so clearly in airplanes most of the time is because of clouds obscuring the horizon
sORRY i PARROTED YOUR COMMENT...nOT SEEN YOUR BFORE POSTING
Minus something from the surface.
"obviously the Earth isn't a grey barren hellscape..." 2020 ain't over yet....
2020 Q4: Challenge accepted!
2021: Hold my beer.
Wait, wait! We went all that way and spent all that money, just to look at a grey, barren, hellscape"??
Oops, sorry colonists - 'grey' is the correct spelling of 'gray'.
Wouldn't say that other than the pandemic , usually every hundred years or so any way, look back . Its been a pretty decent year , america seems to be in chaos but everywhere else is coping and seeing positives out of things .
Earlier this year, my wife and I visited the Isle of Wight. While awaiting the ferry to go back to the mainland of Great Britain, I took a photograph from the Yarmouth pier up the Solent towards an anchored transport ship. I took the photo through the lens of my 12x binocular. The weather was very calm that day, there was just a little chop, and my eye level was about 10 feet above the water. Later, when I had a look at the photo I noticed that there was a sailboat presented broadside near the ship, but the thing standing out to me was that the hull of the sailboat was entirely obscured. The distance to the sailboat was approximately 10 km, I think. It was pretty clear to me that it was the curvature of the earth that was obscuring the sailboat's hull. And like I said, I was about 10 feet above the surface of the earth (sea) at that point.
can you post it here (imgur or similar)?
The sailboat belonged to NASA and the hull was cloaked. I takes a lot of them to fool all of us, but they spare no expense. :)
@@OldBenOne 😆 nice joke. It's kind of funny that some people actually believe that though 😢
I live next to a ferry port. I can watch the outgoing ferry through a pair of binoculars to see the same effect.
Strangely, the lower hull always disappears while the upper decks and funnel remain visible longest. Never the other way around...
... Except for that unfortunate event, of course, but we don't talk about that! 🤔😂
The people that don't believe the earth is a sphere also tend to believe that the other planets are spheres for whatever godforsaken reason. But a lot of their reasoning is ultra deep religious stuff so arguing doesn't work.
Just drive across West Texas and I swear to God, it's so flat that you look out at the horizon and you can see the curvature of the earth!
I was literally spinning around with my phone like a crazy person because of this, great stuff.
Same
I just moved it with my finger because I'm too lazy to get up off my backside.
You can swipe
I read this and ironically thought yeah thats totally gonna be me, and then it was.
Ha ha me too
I honestly only clicked on this vid to see all the "HOW HIGH" jokes i knew would be in the comments. :)
As did i
Me too
The sound of a flattard explaining how high? BONGGGGG!!
😂🤣
Hahaha me too
Alternative title: How High Do You Have To Be To Believe The Earth Is Flat?
@Sakusha Durante Bro chill
You have to be Eddie-Bravo-on-JRE-Fight-Companion-podcast levels of high.
@Declan 6914 the one and only Yahweh lord of this realm and the next
@Declan 6914 are you ready for a debate?
Science debate, not pseudoscience
What the hell is happening in here!? Please, don't bring theological debate on a science video
This might be the coolest TH-cam video I've watched in about 15 years lol
Stopping by a year later.
You guys didn't disappoint with the high comments.
How do the Flat Earth experts explain away this sort of thing ? If they were actually in the Space Station, what would they say? ALSO how do they describe the EDGE of Earth?,and how far do we have to go to find it ??
@@TOMAS-lh4er There arguments are that the poles are closely guarded by the global governments preventing you from seeing the edges when there is none cause its a sphere, NASA produces fake evidence with minimal or no proof supporting the claim, and they wouldn't be allowed on the ISS because of there lack of experience in actual science NASA uses. Thus preventing them from working on there because they believe that some of the sciences that NASA use is not real science when it is required to work in said conditions because it is real science.
There real contradiction is there inability to produce 1 full blown model that includes every supposed fact they use. Instead 1 model per explanation to explain that specific point but not how it works with all the other points they spout without producing another model for that point that is easily susceptible to Oakum's razor philosophy because of there complicated nonsense.
Unlike are explanation of it with spherical planets Earth included, and are proper factual understanding of them and space which is what we use. Which is able to produce 1 fluent model that explains pretty much all of are explanations to are best understanding of space.
Some people amongst the sane masses who believe in proper science like me sometimes even put to question if there even true believers in this flat Earth theory. And that its just a group of trolls pretending to believe its true to uproot some chaos for pleasure because of the sheer absurdity of the claim it boarders on unbelievable to believe in that...
wut...? Don't understand ....wasted...
@@videogamerNattie98 wow, arrogant much??🤦
Have you been to the south pole lately?? Have you been to the spacestation ever??
Love...
@@heavynetwork6804 That is not arrogance that is fact. And just to prove the locations irrelevance the Golden gate bridge is built with a slight curve to accommodate the curvature of the sphere that is earth.
Because engineering and science have to take these things into account. Along with navigation because we live on a sphere you would be breaking a lot of physics laws if it was a plate. And if not then your susceptible to oakum's razor for posing something so ludicrously overcomplicated.
I just tried getting really high and I think I could see the curvature from ground level!
That one time i smoked salvia it really made the earth curve like a beautiful backside.
Really? The only curvature I saw was that of a Cheetos bag.😅😂😅😂🤪
Ditto!
Its a natural occurrance, no one can see straight or think straight as the earth rises up to meet you.
dang it, beat me to it...
"And no, I'm not talking about Felix with his energy drink promotion--"
lol
Why???
@@MS-gr2nv Because it made me laugh
Actually glad he said that. Irks me that to this day. For example infographics that talk about the altitude of different things, use Felix's skydive as a reference and not Alan's. I actually questioned the author of one, and he said he used it because it's the more well known one. And even google when you search for "highest skydive", to this very day years after either event, the first search result is a story that lists Felix's flight as the highest. You have to search further down for the real answer. Alan's jump although the highest, might as well not exist.
It's basically propagation and the spread of incorrect information due to Redbull's marketing.
@@Stewkers Skydiver here with 1500 jumps. We regard Felix as the record holder as he did a 'skydive' whereas Alan used a drogue to keep him stable, same as Joe Kittinger.
A paper by David K Lynch published in Applied Optics in 2008 investigated the required height that an observer had to be in order to visually identify the curvature of the Earth. The author concluded,
“Visual daytime observations show that the minimum altitude at which curvature of the horizon can be detected is at or slightly below 35,000 ft, providing that the field of view is wide (60 degrees) and nearly cloud free.”
Navigators on ships and aircraft have used an instrument called a sextant to measure the angle between a celestial body and the earth’s horizon. Making several such measurements within a short time then using printed tables of celestial body motion allows the navigators to determine the position of the ship or aircraft at an estimated time.
More accuracy is achieved by correcting for the observer’s height above the surface at the moment of observation. In effect, this mathematical correction is required to compensate for the (spherical) curvature of the earth.
A sailboat sailor normally uses the height of their eye above the surface of the water - normally about 5 feet. A sailor on a modern nuclear-powered carrier will use about 120 feet. A sailor on a submarine using a sextant connected to the optics of a periscope will use about 3 feet - the vertical distance from the centerline of the periscope to the ocean’s surface when the boat is at periscope depth.
I’ve presented this argument of improved accuracy of sextant fixes to flat-earth era. They dismiss the argument as mathematical mambo-jumbo. As a navigator on two nuclear-powered submarines, I could not dismiss this accuracy improvement. If I did so and the boat ran aground, I would be fired along with the boat’s Commanding Officer and Executive Officer and Assistant Navigator. Our naval careers, while not necessarily over, would be stunted.
@@davecorley5514 One of the more hilarious things is that flatters believe that GPS will give us correct lat/long position , "but on a flat earth, and it is not satellite based"!!😄
Their poor minds cannot visualize that if it does give correct position, one can quite easily use a GPS to demo whether earth earth is flat or not.
It becomes hilarious, to say the least. I live on 45 deg N latitude. If using my GPS i move west along an east west road, 1/10th of a degree longitude, I will move bout 4.9 miles. Does my friend who lives on 45 S in Brazil move 15 miles??? No, he will move the same 4.9 miles
This is how frustratingly incapable these people are at visualizing their own subject of interest
A mariner knows the answer. A submariner specifically knows the answer is about 1 ft. From that vantage point ships on the horizon can be seen entirely, partially, or just the mast tops depending on the range.
The Greeks figured out the earth was a sphere pretty early. I figure it was because they were sailors. Sail around on the sea long enough and it's hard not to conclude that the sea curves along with everything else over a giant ball.
@@MattMcIrvin Right; just sail away from any coastline and you'll see the land drop into the sea. Flat-Earthers are delusional.
Braindead
@@melvynobrien6193 but then you whip out a telescope and the land comes back into view. Fact
@@harshtruthengineer1382 Wow you are so wrong it is embarrassing for you. As a sailor, at just 16 nautical miles every day I have seen ship's "hull down", in other words the hull is below the curvature of the earth. A sailor frequently sees just the bridge of a ship - and on a clear day with a telescope that becomes indisputable.
"How high do you need to be to see the curvature of the earth?"
"About 3 spliffs..."
😂
You peeking through my window? 🤩🤩
How high does a Flat Earther need to Be ? 🤔
Dude... you gotta be like...... duude. ....What were we talking about again?
smoking is bad for your lungs, ask marley. gummies!
@@trafficjon400 Flat earther, looking at the earth's curve through a shuttle window in a trip to space: "Obviously, the windows are really computer screens and the view is CGI." Flat earther, floating in space in a space suit: "Obviously, the suit's visor is a computer screen, and the view is CGI." Flat earther, thrown out a hatch butt naked, with his last breath and as his eyeballs swell and burst: "Obviously, NASA knocked me out and inserted computer screen contact lenses, and the view is CGI."
"How High Do You Have To Be To See The Curvature of The Earth?"
Higher than 10 hippies in a helicopter.
Then who’s flying. Hippies are too busy fighting for legalization of weed and driving Volkswagen vans to get a pilots license.
Depends on how high the hippies are.
@@dwightgaston6079 These particular hippies are extremely high.- ;-)
@@SteveKasian could be the first time a helicopter docked with the ISS :D
On the ocean (s) if you are 6 feet tall and standing on the surface (sea level) you can only see 13 miles before it curves down away from your line of sight. We were all taught this in the Navy.Lookouts aboard ship can see much further because they are some times scores of feet above sea level.
Wonderful! This was so beautiful, and indeed displays just how easy it is to see the curvature of the Earth, and that the curve is not an "illusion due to refraction." Great job!
Yay! You've made a shitty video game. When do we see the Death star..? Oooh
You must be a pleb or a peasant because part of the freemasons devine knowledge is that the earth is flat. They just say it's not. And what you see is what you have been told to see. It's Really lame to be a pleb or peasant? How is it I don't know because I'm way better than most people. And I'm in the know and have been versed in the devine knowledge. And I see you are not.
It's CGI Stupid. Not proof
This video was to trick you it’s all CGI , no curve and nobody living upside down at the bottom of a spinning ball or any other angle😂😂😂
Dang, I didn't even know YT had a capability of having 3D videos where you can tilt the camera. This is first one I have seen. I wondered a bit when you said something about being able to see something or other and all I could see was space. Only at that time I noticed that arrow-thingy at the corner of the video. Cool. Expecting to get more of these. Now to watch this thing again...
I was thinking the same about just seeing space
Just to be clear, you dont need to use the wheel controls, which are not amazing. Just click and drag.
This is nothing more than digitally recreated "virtual" animation ~ a pseudo-reality. If someone wanted to fake a video of earth curvature this is exactly how they would do it, simply because it is the easiest way to do it. It proves absolutely nothing, except that most people are naive, gullible, unsophisticated and can be played like a piano. Holy crap!... how trivial, insipid, jejune, and inconsequential can you possibly get?
@@thefarcountry Wow, great minds think alike. I was thinking of those exact words in your last sentence to describe your comment.
I didn't see what he's talking about until I tried touching the screen.
Great video as always, but you missed a golden opportunity to "crash" back to earth and end with
"and this is what you'd see if you didn't...fly safe 😎"
A flat earther complains that they can’t see it when they are at see level
they need to broaden theit horizon
All I see on those pictures are disks. 🤔
Why would a flat earther have a level? They have no need for one.
@@unnamedchannel2202 A disk without America? Sure, why not.
You can't convince a believer no matter what a belief is
Sea level: even the ancients were capable of drawing the inference of the earth’s curvature by observing the approach of ships, or watching mountains appear to rise from the sea as a vessel drew closer to shore.
This is why the ancients understood that the earth was a sphere, and a Greek mathematician was even able to calculate its circumference with remarkable accuracy based on surveys made at the time.
From about 100ft or so on a road near Gibraltar you could use the hills of the coast and The Rock, you could see the ocean out in front and you could actually see the rise in the middle of the water itself. Add in the observation of masts of the old sailing ships etc… become quite obvious except to the delirious
You can't see the curve though, only the effect.
@@hermbobsquarehead = “inference”
Debunked
''The Flat Earth society has members all around the globe'' :P
🤣
The FES was originally a joke membership thing in Punch magazine classifieds section London circa 1970s or so , send a small $$$ and include a SAE and get a membership card.
Professional shills resurrected the things for the cable TV and the internet generation, ditto bigfoot UFOs ancient aliens. All discredited concepts in the 70s apart from a very small number of laughable shill publishers. Von Daniken etc.
@@joefish6091 I always wondered if any of the flat earthers believe it or if they just want to see how far they can go getting you to put together counter-arguments. I figure that if you're very stupid, all you need is "here's a picture from space" and if you are very smart...a picture from space is fine too, although there are plenty of other ways to show it. So where do you have to be in the middle? You'd have to be stupid enough to reject logic, skeptical enough to reject general knowledge, or be part of a religion that still accepts that the Earth is flat, but I don't know of any that still think that. You'd need to be articulate enough to make a case that won't be dismissed as an illiterate diatribe, and rational enough to make a pseudo refutation of any counter arguments. I just don't see a middle ground that supports all those disparate attributes. Then again, there's mental illness. I don't mean to disparage those with mental illness, but it can lead to that sort of incongruity. So it started as a joke, and the new joke might be "we really mean it...can you believe that they think that we really mean it, those idiots?" or there might be people who believe it. My challenge is to anybody who can prove that flat earthers really exist and they aren't just trolling everybody.
@Todd Winter Your test is one of the ways to prove that the earth IS round. It can even be done with the great lakes. When ships go out to sea, their appearance doesn't become smaller until they disappear. They keep looking lower and lower until you see only the tops of them. It's easy to verify with binoculars. Likewise, if you look at an oil platform 80 miles out with a telescope, you will not see the bottom of it. Try sending somebody out there with a boat. You won't see the boat when it's next to the platform. If you could see where the laser hit, you'd be able to see a boat. The person in the boat can see where the laser hits, and it won't be a foot above sea level.
@rafik
It's a very juvenile simplistic joke/idea but it hits home quite sharply on the dot.
And actually, if one flerfer wants to say hi to another flerfer across the ocean, wouldn't it be possible based on their logic, to just wave from the roof of one's house with the aid of telescopes and binocs, of course?
“Earth isn’t a grey barren hellscape”
Has Scott forgotten that Coventry exists?
I live in Morocco which is more of a beige barren hellscape except when it's pink. Or grey.
No Coventry's fine, you're thinking of Milton Keynes.
Slough also exists
Oh God, yes.
@@benjamindrayton1380 I have lived in both, and I will take MK any day of the week. Granted, it looks grim and very repetitive as seen from the thoroughfares, but these separated islands of habitation in between the roundabouts are nice little villages for the most part.
Cov is just suicidal depression made flesh.
"How high do you have to be to see the curvature of the Earth?" Me: *Takes lighter. Then click play.
Stoner demographic: Check.
I loved this video because to get that high really is a joint effort.
I started bustin' up laughing when I read the title! Talk about clickbait, lol!
Beat me to it lol
😂🧨
You don't even need to go high at all. I can observe the curvature while standing on the sand dunes at Ocean Beach in San Francisco, and looking out into the Pacific Ocean.
First time I watched a VR-Video on TH-cam, I am fascinated! Every single second is fun, I love the ISS, being from Switzerland I obviously connect to the alps and the meditarrenean sea, but also the moon and the planets are fun. Thanks for preparing and sharing!
Lay down on a beach. Wait till the sun sets then stand up and watch it set again. Sphere proven.
👍
"Lay down on a beach. Wait till the sun sets then stand up and watch it set again. Sphere proven." how exactly would this prove a sphere...? wouldn't this happen the same way if the earth is flat? you would get up and you could see the sun again...
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 On a flat earth you would not see a horizon.
It is because the horizon is near the trick can work.
And a sun over a flat earth would not go up and down at the horizon.
@@ReinoGoo it depends on how the dynamics of this flat earth are and where on it you are... since it's a ridiculous concept anyways i was assuming that this flat plane would be still spinning in a way where there is a sun rise and so on.
the sun disapperas behind the edge and if you get up, you would see it again
Flat Earth is nothing but the failure to recognize and accept reality. All who believe and preach it have damaged souls. The classic definition of insanity is the belief in that which isn't so. Therefore, to the insane, reality is proof of a conspiracy against them.
"The horizon is now depressed by about 5.5 degrees." Yeah, me too.
You need some suger bread. Its the munchies.
"But but but the horizon rises to eye level!" - your crazy neighborhood flerf
Have you tried Prozac?
Have you tried blankets?
One should be able to visually detect even 2 degrees of variance from level. It takes concentration. Try going to a 14,000 peak in Colorado or go to Mt. Whitney. Once you see it you can't unsee it.
What flat-earthers seems to miss is that even a flat earth would have a curvature if you go high enough. The real thing that shows that it's a globe is that you only see a fairly small portion of the earth even if you are pretty high up. If the earth was flat, you would basically see the whole earth as soon as you go over the mountaintops.
But if the Earth was flat, gravity would quickly cause it to collapse in on itself and become spherical.
@@allstarwatt7246 "But if the Earth was flat, gravity would quickly cause it to collapse in on itself and become spherical."
Which is why flat earthers make a big thing of trying to convince people that gravity doesn't exist.
This one time, I got so high I could see the curvature of my skull from the inside, man.
Best comment
That's messed up
I found the cameras looking lot of my eyes! 😂
Was that at Band Camp?
LOL
I've seen Polaroid photos my grandfather, Vic Horton, took from rear cockpit of the YF-12A Blackbird above 80,000 feet. The curvature is clearly visible. He was a NASA test pilot.
@Magic Mike i was about to say that
@Magic Mike even with a fisheye lens, a straight line/horizontal line is still straight.
@@steel1968 _"even with a fisheye lens, a straight line/horizontal line is still straight."_ - a straight line that goes through the centre of view is still straight when seen through a fisheye lens. Any other straight line isn't; it bends away from the centre.
Blackbird…was responsible for some of the UFO sightings in the early sixties.
@Magic Mike I only came here looking for flatards. Was not dissapointed.
That seems like a very big sun out at Pluto.
it is a bit big, probably a bug with universe simulator would look more like the narrow end of a chopstick at arms length if not smaller
i've heard that at pluto the sun would be tiny, practically a point source of light, but still too bright too look at directly with naked eyes
The steam rocket guy didn't find out about curve of earth but he got a good lesson on how gravity works ...
Listening to flat earthers, you have to be pretty high NOT to see it.
And flat earthers are always high.
See the curvature of the Earth ?
At nearly any point you can imagine !
Use a straight edge object
and some water
You can use a Cessna 150 or 172 which goes high enough to see the curvature. At 5 to 7,000 feet its very apparent if the air is nice and clear.
Dirk Tween 🤦♂️
Purple juice sure helps.
9:55 ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.
My God! It's full of stars!
@Charles Yuditsky HAL, I won’t argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
All of your bases are belong to me
We should totally go to Europa.
Europa is ours as well, they just don't know it yet. Same with everything 12.5LY from our Homeworld, we're going to call it core human space.
I'm so high I can *feel* the curvature of the Earth.
WOW! That was VERY cool, Mr. Manley!
I'm a business jet pilot. Most modern business jets typically fly higher than your typical airliner. In my experience, you will begin to notice the curvature of Earth on a clear day at 41 thousand feet (12.5 km). At 45 thousand feet (13.7 km) on a clear day you can definitely notice the Earth's curvature.
That's really interesting that a few extra thousand feet would make that much difference. Yet most people fly in airliners rather than business jets, so perhaps there would be fewer flerfers if airliner cruising altitude was a bit higher 😅
VOR debunks flat Earth nonsense.
@@payne7761 b.s globe is an impossible made up lie and is easily proven wrong open your eyes
@@brucebanner4806 Then prove it. I'll wait.
@@brucebanner4806 why would anyone lie about it?
"Far off in the west we can see a dark area over the Atlantic where the sun has yet to rise...."
Message, Scott?
Carefully chosen time of day?
@@RCAvhstape Nah, he's probably talking about the U.S.A. And being from the U.S.A., I concur with this assessment.
We've definitely devolved back into the dark ages here in North America. I don't think anybody could have predicted that Mussolini would reincarnate as a brainless sweaty blob of discarded marmalade with a penchant for bankrupting scam companies & now an entire country...and not just financially bankrupt. All the while paying off hookers to prevent them from writing books about his tiny penis & shopping for vapid Eastern Bloc mail-order brides.
@@RCAvhstape I live on an island just ~19 miles off the coast of Venezuela.(my YT username is a major hint) And to point out just how totally fucked up the situation is in Chavezstan...errrr Madurostan...errrr...Venezuela, I mean, our tiny little island nation is sending humanitarian relief to that ass backwards hovel of a nation. At last count we had about 15k Venezuelan "asylum seekers" to put up with. Our island's population is barely above 110k citizens, give or take a couple thousand extra illegal immigrants. Or in other words > 10%. And a "shithole" according to the degenerate fuckhead in the White House.
Ko Tatsu he's recording this is the middle of the night
As an ex-seaman I spent countless hours on watch/helm duty typically on a bridge around 30m above sea level, horizon approx 20-22 miles in good conditions in open sea. The first time I went up as a junior rating the first thing I thought looking about was that the earth was clearly round.
I too was a semen once.
@@FirstLastOne Clearly only an ordinary seaman =)
I agree upstairs in my house every clear day it's there
Fellow former Semen... 😉👍
I was thinking the same thing. I live at the beach and you can clearly see that it is round.
Not going to lie. Didn't expect the vr mode when I clicked on this. Super cool!!!
A trick question! The answer is about 30 feet, providing you’re on the deck of a ship in the ocean. From that vantage point you can clearly see, as other ships approach, that the surface of the ocean is curved in every direction. That is how come people in seafaring nations have known that the Earth is a sphere for thousands of years.
It's pretty clear from my 12th floor beachside condo, even without reference to the ships. You can distinctly see it curve away to the left and right horizons.
@@johnwinward2421 That is not the radius of earth from the 12th floor, that is actually an optical effect. I forget the detail at the moment but basically it has something to do with limited sight distance interacting with viewing angle and possibly some atmospheric diffraction. The actual radius is much larger.
Also, from the deck of a ship, one must include a horizon dip correction to sextant readings since even at that altitude, the ocean horizon is just measurably more than 90 degrees from the zenith. From 1,000 feet, the dip is about 1/2 degree, so from a hill that high with an ocean horizon, the Earth is 179 deg. wide, too large to see the curve but easily measurable. Sunsets are delayed by a minimum of 2 minutes compared to the same spot at sea level.
@@anthonycook6213 however, if you look at the progression of the image of a ship approaching or an island as you approach it you can see clear evidence that the surface of the water is curved. Since this effect can be noticed in all directions, this means that the surface of the water is spherical.
@@SeanPat1001 I don't disagree. I am only suggesting that even if the horizon may appear flat, there are other measurements that can be made to show that it is not. Of course the effect you mention is consistent with this.
This is some solid work Scott Manley. Your one-man shot-in-a-bathrobe episodes are better than pretty much everything on TV.
Usually 3 joints or a solid dab
Nice
was gonna say 3 or 4 cones
I was thinking about the same, Dieter.
Nice
SIR KANE SADDINGTON I took the low road on this comment
It would be extra special if you could produce a virtual reality vid of the moon that reveals the many different cheese producing regions by type, quality and grade. 😂
I wish I could have the honor of living on a moon of Saturn. I could only imagine the beauty of waking up in the morning and looking outside and seeing those magnificent rings so close and so clearly.
Dude man. You'd have to be pretty high maaaaan.
At what point does “higher” become “farther”? 😆
Edit: Grammar police wrote me a ticket...
isn't this all about your viewpoint? and relative to what you define as "here"? :D
Andrew Robinson 100 km
At 420
"Higher, better, further, stronger,
Our work is never over" - your favorite Space Agency
it should be farther, since "further" is a philosophic term mostly associated with progression in relation to time rather than distance.
This video must get an award
Can see the curvature of the earth from my brother’s front porch perched far back on a bluff above Fort Casey in Coupeville, Washington. It overlooks a stretch of open ocean between the northern tip of the Olympic Peninsula and the southern tip of Vancouver Island! He and his family have a million dollar view!
Million dollar? Most Ocean view real-estate these days exceeds a million dollars for start.....
Pics? Of the curve from your brothers place.
For you to see curvature at or near sea-level the horizon would need to be scalloped.
Coopviille is really scenic. Great spot.
Nonsense.
The anecdote about the child sounds like a personal experience with his kids, hmm
Nah, your own kids can do no wrong. Probably some other random brat.
Joe Biden likes when other kids climb around on his lap playing with his leg hair.
One of few 360° videos that is actually worth watching.
Nice job Scott
Thank you!
After OLF podcast now I am your subscriber :)
If you are in fairly calm water with just your eyeballs showing, you can only see the water just a short distance in front of you. As you come up out of the water you can see the water farther and farther away. That proves the water is not flat. It is curved. So is the Earth.
I conquered my fear of heights a while ago (mostly) but this somehow brought it back a bit. I don't know why...I love space games and flying games but I actually felt a bit of anxiety for some reason looking at this video. Either way, though, it's still awesome!
With a few drinks I can also see it’s spinning
Few more and I can feel it moving.
Ya ever had to hold onto a stranger's front lawn to keep from rolling away and leaving the planet?
With a sufficient amount you can't lie on the floor without holding on to it.
Doesn't need that many drinks. Just sit where there are trees silhouetted against the stars near the celestial equator and watch while you sip your vodka and tonic.
Amazing what you can dissolve in vodka.
I meant GREAT. Must have been a finger slip.
At low altitudes make the following observations:
1. Looking out over calm waters you can simply note that the horizon is roughly equidistant in all directions and thus forms a circle around you.
2. The horizon is sharp at lower altitudes and only grows fuzzy at higher altitudes when the horizon is more distant. Thus the horizon cannot be due to atmospheric extinction or it would be fuzzy down low.
3. then you merely need the intellect beyond that of a snail and you can understand that a circle going around you CANNOT actually be a straight line in any direction and thus MUST curve around you.
Thus the horizon is CURVED, regardless of why you think that is. It also happens to curve as we expect on an Earth-sized globe.
Also…
At about 800m you can place a long builders level horizontally and level and use a high resolution, wide-angle camera lens (ideally a rectilinear lens) and observe the horizon “Sagitta” curvature. But with a moment of thought you will realize that this an oval shape, because horizons are NOT you seeing the “limbs of the Earth”, the horizon is a circle in horizontal plane viewed nearly edge on from the center (at these lower altitudes). And Circles viewed at an angle are oval shaped.
As a five year old, we climbed the hill behind the house at dusk and were able to see the growing carpet of squid boat lights. The higher, the more lights we could see. Standing on the beech we could watch the ship's superstructures become shortening as ships motored to far away ports.
In 1974 on a flight to Guam in a stretched DC-8, we were given special clearance to 44,000 to avoid a typhoon. From that altitude the sky was dark indigo, and the curvature of the earth was evident. It's the highest altitude I've ever been, and I'll never forget it.
How High Do You Have To Be To See The Curvature of The Earth?
2 grams of shrooms.
Lightweight 🤪
When I climb a small mountain from sea level, I can see a change in curvature relative to the change in elevation.
The curvature of the Earth is a lot more visible than everyone thinks, especially for people with a wide POV like me.
I hypothesize that flat earthers have a narrow POV, and so the lensing of the eyes is different from mine.
I've been to Sandy Hook, NJ if one does carefully look on a clear day towards the Verrazano Bridge, you can see the suspension towers being slightly tilted (not much) in order to compensate for the curvature of the Earth.
Sheesh I was born in 1952.. they didn't equip us with POV in those days.. Drat!
@Benjamin McCann It would be easier to see the lean away from the observer over that distance.
FE have a very narrow point of view, especially mentally.
Its not the eyes, its the bit above them. One your normal human head there's this great big dome full of brain. The flat earther doesn't need that, about half an inch above the eyes then the top is just flat. ('flat like the Earth' they would say)
Its surprising there aren't more flat earthers in politics. In the UK no one with an IQ over 80 is even allowed inside the Parliament building. - Of course that's virtually genius level compared to most flat earthers.. :D
about 5 feet will do when your sat on a yacht and a large ship comes over the horizon,best view I've ever had you literally see the curve of the earth.
LOL hello robot
@@AV036
Show me the flat. I want to see the flat. Why can't anyone show me the flat?
@@awatt is perhaps vision impaired or has limited ability to comprehend reality or can't do basic information search with out acute cognitive dissonance clouding all judgement before even a rational and coherent question is posted. WHAT !🤡
"But Scoooott. It's just a computer simulation so it's not real. Yada yada fisheye lenses and stuff."
I don't think I understand the intended meaning of this comment.
@@seanrafferty6752 meme
@Declan 6914 sad
What I wanna know is this....with a constant, unedited, video that starts out with no fisheye lense....that goes up and up and up....until you can see the horizon curve....how did the fisheye lense get on the camera that has no facility to change lenses in the first place???
@Declan 6914 im not,was talking about the flat earthers
I one time took a commercial flight the pilot addressed the passengers to indicate we were flying at 41K feet. The near maximum ceiling for a 737 but an exceptionally clear day with favorable winds and he pointed out the Earth's curvature was visible. It clearly was.
according to experts that shouldn't be possible because you should only see curvature at 250k feet
@@snowman80082 It is definitely possible. I fly corporate jets that can reach 51,000 ft. From above 40,000 ft on a clear day you can easily see the curve.
@@Wolfie6020 I'm not a flat earth person, by any means. But lately one of my friends fell through the hole, and I've been trying to get him out. Nothing is working so now I'm on the internet constantly disproving his theories.
@@snowman80082
"Nothing is working "
9mm works quite well...
@Melinda Ramirez Had no camera at the time .... :(
And what's equally as clever as the content you have created is the help you will get directly from flat earthers with all their crazy comments helping the TH-cam algorithm grow your channel!
Nicely done sir.
So let me get this right. . He uses a computer generated Vr which has its parameters built in as a globe ... how does that prove anything ..,??
@@clownssschwab6394 Because the parameters aren't a dream world delusion such as flat earthing, the parameters are a direct and to scale representation of our planet. That won't matter to flat earthers though as they are on a planet of their own.
Okay, so it's 2022 and you've just melted my head....
4:19 Pretty sure you started off the waters of the Ligurian Sea, those recognizable peninsulas are Portofino and the Cinque Terre in Italy :) Wonderful views
It took me quite a while to realize he was not talking about the number of brownies needed. 0_0
I'm suffering from a pinched nerve in my neck. My first thought when I saw the video title was the large dose of co-codamol (90mg codeine/1.5g paracetamol) that I had the day before yesterday. 😵
I’m a little late to the party watching this but I’ll tell you Scott this is a really good video. I really liked the presentation and I really like how you equated it to different events at different heights and who saw what. And then following it up with other astronomical bodies was just great.
Too bad that there’s no real video footage of the highest points shown in the video.
this is an excellent point that you made
@@dorianoddi3452 I assume you know why there is no real footage?
Yes, other "astronomical bodies" -- like Venus, where the distant horizon is curved UP, not down, due to what? Dense atmosphere, composition, or heat, or all of the above. Me, I want to see the "horizon" from the Helles Basin on Mars, where I believe we have been foolish to avoid. The pressure there is the highest on that planet, and may induce liquid water. . .
You'll always be a planet to me, Pluto!!
Fool: "I have never been 100km up, therefore the Earth is flat."
i don't get how people think that way... "i have never been 100km up, therefore i don't know it" seems much more reasonable than just forming opinions based on missing knowledge
I don’t think they really think the earth is flat.They just say it to get attention
Flatearthers should be put in psychiatric wards.
@@bobcranberries5853
Exactly. They're trolling for the lulz. Even back in the 60's at least one national society--The Canadian Flat-Earth Society--was tacitly acknowledging the thing was a practical joke. It was also very hard to get membership in; you had to be a celebrity, academic, etc.; someone with credentials.
There are moon-landing denialists, but no flat-earthers.
The whole topic is incredibly boring at this point and I'm glad it's winding down.
@@-danR I can assure you there are flattards indeed..
Or you can go to Lake Minnewanka in Alberta, Canada on a nice, reasonably calm day, find a stretch where you can see for about 7km straight across the lake, pick an object on the far shore that you can just barely see, and then crouch down on the spot. Assuming you're about 6 feet tall, said object will disappear the closer your eyes get to the surface of the lake.
Or just watch Dan Olson's video "In Search of a Flat Earth", where he does this exact experiment with a camera jig.
I have seen buildings in the Toronto skyline that should be too short to be seen, while sitting down on the beach on the south shore about 50 km away with the NAKED EYE.
That's because it is a basin.
Water finds its own level.
Scott!! What an experience...visually and mentally (not least because of your intelligent commentary!) As a physics teacher I was absolutely mesmerized by this demonstration!! Have to show show it to my grandchildren. Thank you so much for that beautiful work of (computational) art!! Michael B. Butter, Dresden, Germany
4:27. “New “shephard” blasphemy
Hello Michael Butter, thank you for being a teacher. :) I want to say I'm very sorry for what my country did to your beautiful city of Dresden. !_!
@@Research0digo Virtue signaling much??
I am more sorry about what my beautiful German people did to beautiful groups of citizens in their own beautiful country. And what they hoped to do to the beautiful world. When people behave that way, they should expect what happened. The German people were not victims, they were perpetrators.
Glad my parents werent in Germany anymore as the whole country went insane and into the abyss
We didnt want that war, didnt start that war, but when persuaded, we ended it, and Dresden was part of ending it.
25000 civilians died. In that war, started by Germany, in Europe, 300,000 Americans died. They died trying to put down insane people. In that war, the German nation slaughtered roughly 10,000,000 noncombatents within the area they controlled.
But how nice, you are apologizing for destroying Dresden. Look at those numbers again, do I need to say more.
When a country gets involved in madness like this, the civilians in the country are not victims
I was able to at around 60,000 ft during a flight from JFK to Heathrow on the Concorde in Feb of 2001.
Anyone who’s been to sea can easily answer that one: eye level.
bingo. I lived a large portion of my life (most summers) at our house on the beach, and you could see it just looking at the horizon. very minute but definitely visible
Yeah as a sailor I got banned from the flat earth forums for pointing that out.
@@jamesoneill3922 Well done mate :-)
mphs_DK thanks mate, it’s pretty much the high point of my life so far 😊
I was thinking the same thing, Anyone who can't see that isn't lookin very hard.
It's really awesome being able to look around during the video. I wasn't watching this in VR, I just used the arrow keys to look around.
You can also drag the view with the mouse
@@andybeans5790
Oh, wow, I didn't know that. Thank you.
I've always wondered this question. Also dang I'm early for once.
Personally I seem to notice it slightly around FL200. but I've been able to clearly see it in an airliner that I believe was at FL320
Yes, even 300 is enough
@sly dankass You're missing a zero. FL leaves out the last digit.
@@221b-l3t FL leaves out the last two digits.
Easy to see on a plane on a clear day, first time I saw it was something of a spiritual experience.
it seemed that same here.. at 300 I thought I could see the curve.. even lower than that in the plains states..
"How High Do You Have To Be To See The Curvature of The Earth"
Real stoned
High on the 3 rock ..
From the sun..
@@kennethschultz6465
All one needs to think of is
*Is anything in space flat?*
Question about this: At sea level, working on fishing boats, I have seen other larger boats on the horizon, past the horizon with lower portion occluded, and mountains on coast far behind and partially well below the horizon. To me it seems with clear conditions sitting right at sea level visually shows the curvature, from the amount of height of a ship one can see above the horizon depending on distance. At night watching ships lights fall below the horizon with the highest mast mounted lights disappearing last is noticeable. Lighthouses appear from the top down as well. Does not seem flat from a boat after enough experience navigating and piloting the vessel. The curve is a factor one deals with.
Is this wrong Scott? Some kind of optical illusion? It seems like one can see pretty well how things seem to rise and shrink receding towards the horizon, but then they 'fall over' the horizon and start to drop down in ones view, as they disappear from the bottom up behind the horizon. Viewed both with bare eyes and with good binoculars through polarized lenses. We were well equipped optically, several binocs and a set of NV goggles for good measure (boat captain was techy consumer long before it was trendy, had all the cool gadgets). Operated the vessel on radar in thick fog, and wondering about radar view as well. Seems like the range dependent on height of target on a not very tall boat at sea level, indicating curvature.
So I think you can be at just a few feet elevation above sea level and see the curvature of the earth, persons height standing on deck so around 7-8 feet above sea level. Its just your seeing it by interpreting the relative height, size, and occlusion of objects in your field of view. I guess it may not be an obvious 'at first glance' type visual confirmation though, one has to focus on different objects and think a little.
Your observation is completely correct.
Scott was talking about directly seeing the curve here. As in "from left to right" in your view.
What you see when objects disappear behind the horizon is the effect of the "forward and back" curvature from your point of view, for a lack of a better word right now.
You can see the effect of the curvature at sea-level, which is exactly what you described, but you can't see the curvature itself directly at sea level, because the horizon appears, due to the size of earth, as a straight line.
I hope my explanation works, cause i'm not a native speaker.
Thats exactly right and completely possible. There have been many videos posted ( although not very good ones ) that show ships disappearing over the horizon from the bottom up and you can easily see less of tall mountains on the horizon if you are at sea level. If you remained at the same distance away and climbed a nearby hill you would gradually be able to see more and more of the occluded distant object.
Of course flat morons will immediately always start yelling about refraction and atmospheric lensing without actually knowing how that works but still like to use it as they are big clever sounding words that help them dupe other stupid flat earthers.
@@SuperStevieye Your explanation worked very well, thank you.
AlohaMilton are you are right, the main difference is though, people who work at sea are actually interested in reality because they need to get home, where as most flat earthers don’t do more than watch TH-cam videos which convinced them that anything they do see that might contradict the video is somehow suspicious
The sea is the second-best place to observe Earth's curve.
Whoa! I never saw a video like this-360 video. Very cool!
Videos like these always make me appreciate technology. It brings out the child in me to see the earth and our solar system in this way. Thank you for the cool video scott!
You really think this is real? Looks like a ps4 game
Big respect to the google earth car driver who captured this amazing footage!
So that's why Musk shipped that Tesla up there! I was wondering.
Amazing footage??!! It’s not even amazing CGI. How anyone could actually believe that is real is insanity!
@@Videot99
LOL
@@marchoward3189 are you a neanderthal
@@marchoward3189
The Joke
Your head
I fish offshore regularly and if you go far enough away from shore you can see the curvature of the earth. We go 100+ miles off shore and you can definetly see it although its slight. You sort of get the impression of being on a bowl looking down in every direction on a clear day.
Can you make a video of that, because according to math thats impossible.
I worked offshore in the oil field for over 30 years. When coming in from offshore on a vessel you can watch radio towers grow. At first you can see the very top of the tower only and the closer you get to shore you can watch the Tower grow as you get closer to land.
Even a couple of metres of height adds to the effect, so it's something you'll see more easily from an upper deck on a large vessel. We have to correct for it when shooting an altitude with a sextant.
No I disagree, what you see is the horizon at about 2or 3 kilometres away . That's your eye level , if you rotate you see the same horizon around you and that creates a disc. not a curvature of a globe.
@@pauljeavons4350 No, I disagree. As several here have said - you see masts growing . A ship approaching does not suddenly appear but grows gradually making it obvious that we are on a curved surface. Since the same effect appears everywhere there is only one shape that satisfies the experiences of sea-going people - a sphere.
p.s. To previous comment: 1:34 Refraction, as that caused by an inversion in the lower atmosphere, can distort the curvature of the horizon, and display landforms maybe 30 miles distant. I have seen this in the arctic. By angulation [Trig] you can estimate the Earth's curvature by knowing the distance of the perceived object, mountain, et c. that is being projected into the sky. You go for it, Scott! And big Thank you for these fun vids!
Nice. I loved seeing Sardinia and Sicily and Mallorca appear over the horizon one at a time just like they do on an Earth that is a globe. Suck it flerfs, we have a model that works.
Amazing. I didn’t realize at first that the video was interactive on my iPhone. When he mentioned seeing Africa to the south and part of the UK to the north, I couldn’t see those areas until I swiped the screen on my phone. Totally amazing video.
LOL. Me too! 🤭
I just read your comment a year after watching the video. You just told me that it's interactive.. Thanks; I didn't know.
Whoa!!! Glad I read your comment before moving along. I didn't know this upload was interactive either. Didn't even know interactive videos existed on TH-cam.
I've flown to 82,000 feetx and the curvature was readily apparent. In fact, at 40,000 ft, the curve is apparent when looking out through a large canopy.
Yep. In my experience, at 41000 feet on a clear day you will start to notice the curvature (if you have a nice big window to look out of). At 45000 feet the Earth's curvature is quite noticeable on a clear day.
Agree. I visited FL500 routinely flying Functional Check Flights (FCFs) in Okinawa in the F-15C when decelerating from FL400 and 1.7+ Mach. The curvature was easily seen from a bubble canopy fighter over the Pacific Ocean...breathtaking! My record (straight and level) in the Mighty Eagle was Mach 2.12 (CAL) at FL400 straight & level. Max Q that day was Mach 2.15, and I didn't want risk to hurting the jet. JASDF Radar (I had to ask!) said my groundspeed was 1,269 knots. I'll take that & there was MUCH rejoicing! Miss those days.
@@sganzerlag Rubbish.
@@tyler-durden81 I would love to answer you, brother.. but I have no idea what you're trying to say..
Preacher, Rubbish.
Your window presents as a fisheye image.
Otherwise show us a REAL photo at 82,000 feet and name the camera that you used.
OMG Scott... at one point, I was thinking... why I'm looking to the sky, why does Scott talking about seeing Italy and Africa... I don't see them...
Later I didn't see any earth at all and still got it, and then I saw those controls in the left corner...
Wow, this was by far the best things I have seen!
You can litterally see the Earth's curvature from ground level standing on any beach. I lived in Florida and I could easily see that the ocean surface is curved across the horizon.
Here's how that works. You can only see so far in any direction. As you look to either side of straight to the horizon, you can only see the same distance, appearing to be a curve. Look from Fort Myers Beach to Naples, about 25 miles, should be a little more than 400 feet of curve. There's a few ways to figure it out for yourself if you like. It"s just not there.
Myrtle Beach, 60 miles of crescent beach, one end to the other, should be 2,400 feet of curve. It's just not there. Watch the sun set or rise from the beach. The sun's reflection comes from the horizon right up to where the water meets the sand. Impossible if it's curved. Waves inches high cast shadows, the great "curve" of the earth does not. Because....it's not curved. But.....you just keep believing you live on a spinning ball and for haven's sake, wear a mask.
@@notheorytrue lol, if the ocean was flat and I could only see so far left and right and center it would NOT look like a curve it would look flat... you don't sound very smart
notheorytrue your very first statement is wrong. You say “you can only see so far in any direction.”
Bullshit! You can see whatever photons of light enter your eye. There is no magic (or physics) that tells objects a certain distance away to become invisible to you, If you look at the sun you can see 93.5 million miles away; if you look at the ground you can see less than 6 feet away (assuming you are standing on the ground); what you see is limited to what photons enter your eyeball (in sufficient quantities and able to be focused on the retina). So that statement is at best meaningless.
You also have apparently never been to a beach, or else are incapable of accurately observing and reporting what you see (or perhaps you are simply lying) because the phenomena you describe simply *never happen* in real life. You mention Myrtle beach, if you had actually ever watched a sunrise there you would have seen how the top of the Ferris Wheel is the first thing lit by the rising sun, and the sun’s glow appears to travel down the Wheel, (and the East side of the hotel just to the north) as the sun continues to come up. If you are standing on the beach as this happens and turn to face the rising sun and watch as the first sliver of the sun’s disc appears over the horizon, then immediately sit down on the sand you will get to see the sun rise a second time.
@@notheorytrue You're an idiot, not worth convincing.
@Sakusha Durante Sail across the ocean, idiot; you are delusional.
Me at the start of the video: "Man this camera is shaky"
Me 1:30min into the video: "wait what..... wow what is this witchcraft!"
This. I first noticed that it wasn't framed very well. And then noticed the framing changed when I moved the phone... I guess I don't get out much... but I was unaware this was something you could see/do in TH-cam. Very good use of the capability.
Don Lind you can buy a 360° camera (I recommend the Insta360 one R) and make your own VR videos to upload to TH-cam. There are hundreds and hundreds out there, people skateboarding and biking and skiing etc etc, it’s not just CGI space movies.
😂😂
Scott's done a few like this, and they're really cool. Look for his black hole one, and for the view of all the world's satellites passing overhead
Yeah, I had no idea that TH-cam could do 360 videos.