Yeah, the sudden flicks are a dead giveaway that it's an aimbot. Aim assist decreases your turning speed as your crosshair passes over someone, while this person's sensitivity seems to increase when their crosshair passes over someone.
As a fellow console player, I can second this. I have my aim assist on and even with my sens at max my camera still moves pretty slow, so it helps. And I can tell you it does NOT lock on target like that at all
@@Rina-ry8rl seriously, I hate aim assist on hanzo. I had my crosshair at headshot level, and would aim between small gaps. Often times a player would appear and the aim assist would drag my crosshair off headshot level completely ruining my shot. Don’t even get me started with Anna’s ally aim assist either
This is completely unrelated but as a console player they need to fix whatever the aim assist is doing on baps lamp because it always drags way above the actual lamps position
Just lower the AA. This game AA is bad anyways when in a duel biggest tip i can give is aim with left stick not right. I know wack aiming with movement but thats what console is better at much more precise and fine movements with left stick
No, it just proves he haven't played any console shooters before. Nothing more, nothing less. Console aim assist doesn't auto lock like aimbots. It doesn't track players through walls or otherwise.
@@Splashbang_OW my brother in Christ PC players literally act like that’s what aim bot does there’s a warzone streamer who said he has aim assist and it plain and simple puts the reticle on top of people and follows them through walls and never leaves their body
@@ggchad3739 Yeah, i saw a warzone player on youtube showing everyone how he does exactly that, on console, using Xim Apex with an aim and no recoil script injected. It literally turns aim assist into an aimbot. Now, imagine OW2 M to t500 players using that, which most of them do, and streamers like Flats who has never played on console watching them through the replays. Of course he's going to think it's aim assist if he doesn't even know what aim assist looks like. It's called ignorance, and far too many PC players are (unfortunately) ignorant when it comes to how aim assist works on a console, let alone Xim apex/cronus/strike pack etc, that lets you inject scripts to boost the aim assist to high heavens.
@FMRosenburg Sure buddy, and next you're going to tell me he's a pro player on PC as well? Do you know the definition of pro players? I'm not sure you do.
It’s concerning that flats said that this looks like a console game when the tracer is hard tracking without even trying to aim, Ik it’s been awhile since he last played on consoles but that aim “assist” is more than just assisting.
9:23 The jerky movement to track the Genji above him is way too abrupt and precise to not be the aimbot locking onto the Genji. If I were even slightly suspicious of this player already, this moment would have confirmed it for me. No Aim Assist behaves that way.
@@thelostwanderergames4287 Apex aa is mad strong dont get me wrong but even then it doesnt snap your aim for you it aides tracking fast movement if the target you are on. No aim assist behaves like what is in this video regardless of how strong or unfair it can be deemed to be
@@matthewgantner8016 pc players are not delusional aim assist is busted against those without it. it's something you just have to experience to understand.
@@Nutstache everyone in console ownhates crosshair drag because it drags randomly, much more of a hinderance, so we turn down aim window and aim assist ease in to stop it
that is just not true. Most games have active tracking while shooting and a "snap on" function that homes in on the enemy when you press the ADS button. It only works when you move the joystick in some direction- that is why in some games you can trick the game by very slightly moving the joystick and then just use a mouse on top of that. I don't know what the aim assist on console OW does in particular and how strong it is- but it will be more sophisticated than just slowing the speed down.
I play on ps5 and I had to turn the aim assist almost all the way down. It was actually making it harder for me to aim. It's also kinda hilarious when trying to shoot an immortality field. It's like the field has a magnet that repels ur aim. Lol
Pretty sure he messed up the Bap ult at the end because he had to “shoot” to place it. So he auto locked onto the enemy and it moved the ult back to the choke lol
Flats, you need to play on console sometime because this wasn’t an aim assist simulator. Do you think we just don’t use the right thumb stick at all while playing on console? lol
To be honest, I was surprised he thought it was aim assist at first, even with not knowing what aim assist on a controller+console looks like, and I get most PC players do this, but I feel it was obvious that aim assist would not ever be as strong as this dudes aimbot. There is a difference in aim assist and aimbot, and this is that difference.
Flats should play on console for a stream, to get a real taste of aim assist. I enjoy watching flats, but, it would be nice to have a pc player who understands that overwatch’s aim assist isn’t aimbot.
I've never played OW on console, but I've been around the block on PC and consoles long enough- I'm morbidly curious of how bad the aim assist is on OW. Usually games like this where console ports are an afterthought are laughably terribad on console-specific systems and integration.
@@sylvrwolflolaim assist isn’t too oppressive honestly, but there’s this weird bug with it where it cranks to 11 and locks onto immortality field any time it’s on your screen lmao
@@mrbruh1001 True. Ima high diamond low master Tracer main on ps5 & besides his basic movement & lack of blink combo usage his aim looks relative to mines
@@jyti88 naw if you ever have the chance to watch high elo tracer gameplay on console the aiming looks relative to this but the bap gameplay is a dead giveaway
I know you said you're not as familiar with Overwatch's aim assist, but... as a first-day veteran on console, the aim assist is NOTHING like this. It's more like a friend strongly urging you to aim better over your shoulder with verbal encouragement and sometimes trying to pull the controller away from you mid match, and also usually impairs aim more than anything. Fun fact, it sometimes breaks to have it set to actual "zero" so players like myself would set it as low as possible above 0, but keep it practically off.
Yea when i reached masters after the massive controller settings update that changed console OW. I lowered that shit down to .2 or some shit for the AA spot and deadzone at like .5 but any mild brained console player should be doing that
What would the best aim settings then for let’s say supports then? Ana, kirko, bap, lucio, zen. Just the 5 of them I would think would have some differences in aim settings
@@damionlerner7268 no. Keep aiming 1:1 with all heros, and use left stick over right most of the time. Only time right gets touched is if its to get a pre aim ready or to acquire a new target. I havent played on console since like season 23 so i cant remember the nuance of the control schemes it mainly comes down to low Aim assist cause this game has poopoo aim assist and low deadzones cause obviously you wanna move the stick with the same force and distance and get the same movement in game. I use expo for the curve but i was a genji, tracer, soilder player. Buy kontrol freaks aswell i recommend vortex. You want the tall boy on the right stick
@@damionlerner7268 incase you didnt see my edit buy kontrol freaks i recommand the vortex if you cant buy em online walmart has em nowadays (not back in 2017 when i bought the shits but i got the exact same pair so there quality. Still use em fo forza) tall one goes on right stick. I wont get into the actual science as to way there better but it narrows down to high the stick/control point the more control you have. Hence old arcade games being pretty damn beefy and tall. Best 10-20 dollar purchase u can make if you are a serious console gamer that wants to pubstomp or be good
@@damionlerner7268 The only times I personally change aim sensitivity is for characters/heroes who use scopes, since that's a whole other ballpark with controllers and joysticks. I usually would bump up the sensitivity by around 10% for everything in scoped-in sensitivity settings.
Oh boy, can't wait for a bunch of PC players who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about to flood this comments section and talk about how "aim assist = aimbot" despite them working in entirely different ways.
@@ART0RIAX that isnt how ow is though its a slowing effect, dragging really messes up aim so people take active measures to stop dragging tweaking a couple of the settings
@@ozmoses2492 you don’t have a crutch to help you???? Being able to aim with your entire arm as opposed to just a thumb, having movement with wasd instead of a joystick, an entire fucking keyboard full of easily accessible bind options… C’mon bro it is so much easier on PC and you know it lol
I have no idea how Flats can be confused about him cheating or not. People miss. This guy didn't miss A SINGLE TARGET. Not once! Yet, he couldn't move around the map without running in to walls and having difficulty. The only thing he didn't do, was get head shots non-stop; which is probably intentional to avoid cheating accusations.
@@Electranica Everyone misses, even people ranked #1. That's the point. The higher your elo, the less likely you are to miss. The more consistent you will be. This guy is clearly not even bronze and he never missed. It's obvious, he's cheating.
Flats isn’t confused about whether or not he’s cheating though? He literally says he is even during the tracer play, then proves it with the Bap gameplay. What he’s confused about is why the guy is cheating while using a controller. He’s just saying maybe the guy thought he could fool people into thinking he’s just a controller player on PC with aim assist cas not all PC players know controller wont get aim assist on PC. Flats is just throwing out theories as to why the guy made the odd decision to cheat, but then use a controller. Comprehension skills…
@@Luther_Luvin_Brad Thank you, captain Internet for gracing us with your wisdom; repeating what was said in the video. Had you not done so, the world would have been lost. Continue to bring your heroic comprehension skills to the masses.
3:07 I think how it works, from experience, is that when your looking at an enemy, the game sort of slows down your sensitivity, making it easier to land shots. However it can be a burden at times, cause it also somewhat follows the player, and will try to lock on in between 2 players if they are too close to one another.
Played someone similar to this in a game. They started on Bastion and got absolutely stomped by me and our other DPS then swapped to widow. They were missing every single shot at first and as they died more the aim miraculously got better and better. Went to watch their POV in replay, they had controller aim movement and every time they were in spawn they'd spam the "What's an aimbot" voiceline. The big give away for me was watching them struggle to stop being locked on to one target when trying to switch to someone else
As a console player this isn't how aim assist works. It helps with tracking but unless the enemy is literally moving like a snail. Aim assist does little to help with actual aim. This is 100% more than just simple console aim assist.
Aim assist in overwatch drags your cross hair slightly depending on the velocity of the target within the aim assist window and the distance from you are from them as well as slowing down your sensitivity while your crosshair is over an enemy. That's now what aim assist looks like.
At 4:14 you can clearly notice something strange, aiming between 2 enemies ALWAYS fucks up your aim on aim assist, like I'm an all console gamer and I know for sure that no aim assist will allow you to move between two targets so smoothly
I'm a console player and I can confidently say aim assist on overwatch with a controller just kind of guides your aim towards the target, it doesn't lock
The first game reeks of a guy who is basically trying to "ethically cheat" by only turning the cheats up to console-like. Which is incredibly odd. It's weirdly interesting because it kind of shows how 'some' levels of aim assist can influence games. I agree with Flats that it's most likely a self-imposed challenge. The second game only further provides evidence that blizzard's "Defense Matrix" is garbage. Which, now that we know PvE has been internally cancelled for awhile makes this outlandish cheating not being caught by the "Defense Matrix" even more laughable. Hard locking more than 3 times should be immediately figured out and banned, let alone dozens of times in less than 30 seconds. in multiple games. Yet here we are.
Aim assist is sort of like aim smoothing. So on a certain range when moving the thumbstick the aim stays relatively mellow and smooth movements but when you push it to the max right or left then the speed kicks on. That’s what I’ve noticed. Sometimes you get pulling too from quick moving targets which can be annoying.
Yeah man seems like he has strong opinions about aim assist when he doesn't even play on controller. People think that since apex aim assist is broken then aim assist is broken period.
Just checked a video on it and wow, you guys get almost no rotational. In games like Call of Duty and Apex its so strong that if someone passes you by close to you, your aim will literally spin around by itself to track, like a full 180. Controller overwatch players are monsters.
@@Nutstache Exactly especially the controller widows and stuff. Because as you get higher in rank, its mostly cheaters who plug in a xim, and then hit 50% crits on widow with a mercy pocket
Flats an easy tip for you to tell if a game is console or PC is the strafe speed. U can strafe side to side faster on PC than console. The directional change is must faster. Also side note there is a lot of ways to cheat while using a controller. There is the side you're use to seeing is third party programs on the PC changing the input then there is the more direct ones that act as a middle man between controller and device called cronos zen that modifies input before it reaches the device. There is also another device called a cronos strike pack that can be plugged into the controller itself acts similarity to the zen as a man in the middle device. Based on the video it appears he is using a trigger bot that will adjust aim as soon as trigger is depressed
This only applies to any other game than OW though. OW doesn't have movement acceleration like other FPS games. The transition from standing to running is instant so on console you can definitely AD strafe if you are good at flicking the controller left and right at a decent pace. Especially if you fine tune your controller settings to make deadzones smaller so the transition is instant like it would be on KB. I use steam input to customize my settings for deadzones and even added a trigger dampening effect for my gyro aiming so when I'm actually shooting it slows my reticle down for better control.
@@KogaHarine yes while that's true how much of the average player base does this. Generally speaking 70% of console players aren't hard flicking or changing deadzones on the left stick. And in this I'm only referring to console players not steam
Over 25% of the times I log in now I get the "Thanks for reporting"... so many cheaters it's insane. Yesterday I watched the replay of a sus Hanzo. It looked like he was on controller just like this. One of the last parts I watched in the replay was him firing a sonic arrow towards us then instantly snap 90 degrees to the right on one of his teammates head's then right back towards where he was originally looking....
If you compare how well he tracks a target and how much he sucks at just looking around there is no way in hell that this guy is legitamtly tracking someone this well
I've been accused of cheating, but here's the thing, I'm trash and just play for fun, sometimes you get lucky. Thing is, targeting through walls isn't something you can hide.
Also I love how the recent couple of videos have been kinda poop related, he either starts the video of having to go poop, or in the middle of a video has to go poop, or ends the video of going to go poop.
i'm like, 99% sure that i also played with this dude on bap... he was ranked pretty high on tank and dps but was doing placements for support... he carried the team and my duo q couldn't tell if he was just better than us or aimbotting...
I can confirm, i used to play Semi Pro Call of Duty back in the days and you had to actually aim back then. I then recently played the new one after having swapped to PC 3 years ago and i was still slapping ass on controller. It felt like the game was aiming for me at times and it has definitely been cranked up to 1000
There is two different types of aim assist in Overwatch 2, there is classic which most people have and it just slows down the aim when near the enemy. Then there is legacy which on PC would look like aimbot because it auto tracks onto people near your crosshair and tbh most people don't use it because it can be very annoying when there is more than one person as it flicks in between one another.
Oh my god, I'm so happy to see this. I was enemy Mercy on Midtown and my friend submitted that 2nd code :D Time to get my coffee and enjoy this!!! edit: Yeah this guy didn't say much in match chat, but he did say he was "diamond on main" LMAOOOO keep in mind that Midtown lobby was Plat. Idk what dude thinks Diamond players look like but..
I slightly agree with the OWL controller take. I mean if you’re a console player there you’re not very likely to watch Valorant or CS regularly. That can apply here too. People like watching someone they can relate to when it comes to competitive gameplay
I agree. Let's say you have a million console players who don't watch owl because they can't relate. Add console to owl and let's say half the console players start watching that's 500k new viewers you have
I think they don't do it because they think it would be kinda boring to watch and they saved the controllers for the competitive fighting game scene. I didn't agree with it either at first, but the more I think about it, if done right, it could be the thing to make OWL stand out from all the other esports leagues.
11:47 it's already established that this isn't aim assist BUT fun fact: aim assist does work on teammates and it can actually be a HUGE detriment if you're playing characters like Ana on console because your crosshair can get stuck on a teammate when you're aiming for an enemy and vice versa. It's why I always have aim assist off when I play her (and very low otherwise)
cod did recently kick up the aim assist in mw2019 and mw2 because if you watch videos and clips you can see the insane lock on but the tracking is also just fucking insane
5:25 this kill right here if he’s on controller is absolutely a confirmation because controller acceleration isn’t nearly fast enough to get a flick like that not to mention the tracking right after
The window mess up wasn't because he messed up his correction. Placing it is the same button as shoot, so when he clicked to place it, the hack locked onto an enemy and placed it there instead.
Tbf, it would be nice to have the score board for the match at the very least, at the end of the replay. But having it throughout the replay to reference would be lovely.
Okay, so having used Aim Assist on Consoles to play FPS such as Destiny 1 and 2 and Overwatch, it doesn't lock onto a target, it accelerates the movement towards a target already within a certain proximity of the reticle, and slows it as the reticle nears and inevitably stops over the target. This can actually cause momentary 'drag' in the aiming if two targets cross one over the other, or for the target to lag slightly behind a target you're trying to lead, but it also means that a target can't just juke left then right and watch you overturn in either direction.
as someone who played ow1 on console for its entire life cycle, aim assist does not work like that on overwatch and the cheating was pretty blatent while he kept going "maybe controllers just do that"
A nice way to explain overwatch aimassist is that it more so helps you not over shot your target. For example go to the training range and spin around, you'll notice on console you slow down, not lock onto any enemies. It's not the best bet it can help in some ways. Now this, is not ow aim assist. This locks onto people. Not only that imo it also looks weird af the way they aim, just doesn't look right
I play on PS5 and the way Aim Assist works is that it basically adds a scalable window over the enemy's hitbox. While your crosshairs are inside the window, your aim sensitivity will be reduced by like 30% at max strength. Another thing Aim Assist does is that if you only use your movement joystick without interacting with the aim joystick, and your crosshairs hit an Aim Assist window, your crosshairs will slightly "stick" to the window, making it look like it's locking onto the target, but even at max strength, it's not as crazy as it is with this guy. In fact, your crosshairs will only tilt like 15° at full strength and at point blanc, which means that the tilt is much weaker the further away your target is, so it's not even that strong to begin with. Unless you do micromovements like "shimmying", which aren't enough to move your "window" away from the enemy's crosshairs and therefore messing up their Aim Assist which forces them to use the aim joystick which then cancels the slight "lock on" feature, a console player should never be locking onto you like this 😉
Those Bap windows remind me of when I first learned Bap, except instead of one badly placed window before the lesson is learned, it’s every single window and the lesson goes ignored.
As someone who has been playing Xbox Overwatch all the way back in 2016 (specifically 2 to 3 days before Ana dropped) and still plays. I can safely say, this person must be using an actual Aim Bot on a Controller (he’s clearly not using the base-game Aim assist, the Xbox Aim Assist is dog-shit, you can’t even tell it’s there in an actual game, unless you try and track someone who’s standing still)
as someone whos looked through the code of blops 1&2 and compared the aim assist values to modern COD games, i can tell you for certain theyve cranked it up a shitload, blops had about a 30% assist and a slight player ads soft lock, warzone has about a 70% and a harder player lock when you ads
You can see the tracer’s aim while not shooting look slightly below head level but the second they start shooting their aim locks onto the enemy and when they stop shooting they flick back to that aim thats slightly below head level after a sec, their true aim. Its noticable at 8:00 when shooting the genji, a normal player after perfectly tracking the genji would still track the deflecting genji, but you see them inexplicably flick downwards. I mean if you are tracking them that well why not wait and keep your crosshairs on a totally done genji while ur at full health.
I think 7:44 is my giveaway mark for it. Tracking completely flips at the exact same velocity the torb is moving right after he had blinked and been going pretty decently (what looks like his max in tracer vid) the other way.
Flats, at the start of the second game: Do you know how I know this is the same guy? Me, nodding sagely: Yes, because he's duoing with Ashen again. Flats: He's still on the controller. Me: Oh. Or that. Seriously wondering if anyone from chat noticed that he was duoing and probably boosting Ashen.
I've seen some players who swear by controllers and somehow can't handle playing shooters with a mouse, so I'm not surprised to see one cheater using a controller once in a while.
That was probably the only cheater I could empathise with. For a player to willingly use a controller on a PC FPS, they need all the help they can get. Especially when their controller is obviously broken and they can't even walk or jump properly. Such a sad story.
You do get a notification sometimes from Blizzard when you launch OW2 that someone you reported was banned for cheats. I've gotten it a few times. Although maybe that's just a placebo they send me to soothe the "hacker headshot me from narnia repeatedly in silver" rage.
The best way to describe aim assist is that it's similar to mouse acceleration but instead of the distance traveled being proportional to mouse speed, it's proportional to the distance from a target (with a threshold). In other words, when your crosshair is near a target, it goes at 0.5 sensitivity (example), when you're not as near but still within the assist threshold and moving toward the target, it goes at 1.5 sensitivity (again, example)
5:08 if it was a quick play game, it would have a different capture points indicator. Comp has number, quick play has circles being filled. This is since back in the day where you had to win 3 maps on KOTH in comp. nvm this was brought up later.
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As a console player, the aim assist doesnt lock on the target, only helps you to stay the aim on target. And this guy locks in the enemy
Yeah, the sudden flicks are a dead giveaway that it's an aimbot. Aim assist decreases your turning speed as your crosshair passes over someone, while this person's sensitivity seems to increase when their crosshair passes over someone.
As a fellow console player, I can second this. I have my aim assist on and even with my sens at max my camera still moves pretty slow, so it helps. And I can tell you it does NOT lock on target like that at all
It's very obvious that he's cheating, otherwise everyone would move to console
It’s a Xim my guy
1400 hour player with 1100 of that being console, i can also confirm, aim assist doesn't lock to the target like this LMAO
This wasn’t aim assist, def hacks. Aim assist helps you follow a target, not lock on thier head most the time like this
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What some mouse & keyboard players think console aim assist is like:
Lmaoo, you know someone’s aim is bad on PC when they’re complaining about the aim assist on console
*What most keyboard players think* *ahem wildcat and marksman
I know the we don’t need sim assist it actually makes my aim worse
@@Rina-ry8rl some people need it more than others. Not a negative thing, just some people are better at aiming with their thumbs and shit
@@Rina-ry8rl seriously, I hate aim assist on hanzo. I had my crosshair at headshot level, and would aim between small gaps. Often times a player would appear and the aim assist would drag my crosshair off headshot level completely ruining my shot. Don’t even get me started with Anna’s ally aim assist either
This is completely unrelated but as a console player they need to fix whatever the aim assist is doing on baps lamp because it always drags way above the actual lamps position
Drives me nuts. Gotta fight the controls to hit that lamp.
Just lower the AA. This game AA is bad anyways when in a duel biggest tip i can give is aim with left stick not right. I know wack aiming with movement but thats what console is better at much more precise and fine movements with left stick
I only played controller on OW for a bit before switching to pc, but yeah, baps immortality is stupid on console
100%. i always think my controller is malfunctioning with his lamp!
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No way he thinks that’s aim assist. Actually insane
it was actually making me mad
Can we just take a second to appreciate that not only does he not know how to jumpboots, he doesn't know how to jump, PERIOD
at least he did that when 'scaling' the wall as Bap
Don’t say period💀
@@zVzRealms ok
@@zVzRealms
*PERIOD* 😈
@@zVzRealms Periodt 💅
The fact flats saw that lock on and assumed it’s aim assist really put into perspective how bad people think aim assist is
No, it just proves he haven't played any console shooters before. Nothing more, nothing less.
Console aim assist doesn't auto lock like aimbots. It doesn't track players through walls or otherwise.
@@Splashbang_OW my brother in Christ PC players literally act like that’s what aim bot does there’s a warzone streamer who said he has aim assist and it plain and simple puts the reticle on top of people and follows them through walls and never leaves their body
@@ggchad3739 Yeah, i saw a warzone player on youtube showing everyone how he does exactly that, on console, using Xim Apex with an aim and no recoil script injected. It literally turns aim assist into an aimbot.
Now, imagine OW2 M to t500 players using that, which most of them do, and streamers like Flats who has never played on console watching them through the replays.
Of course he's going to think it's aim assist if he doesn't even know what aim assist looks like. It's called ignorance, and far too many PC players are (unfortunately) ignorant when it comes to how aim assist works on a console, let alone Xim apex/cronus/strike pack etc, that lets you inject scripts to boost the aim assist to high heavens.
@@Splashbang_OW damn apex is that bad with aim assist? I might have to try it out since it was one of my favorites
@FMRosenburg Sure buddy, and next you're going to tell me he's a pro player on PC as well? Do you know the definition of pro players? I'm not sure you do.
It’s concerning that flats said that this looks like a console game when the tracer is hard tracking without even trying to aim, Ik it’s been awhile since he last played on consoles but that aim “assist” is more than just assisting.
Kbm players try not to think aim assist is aimbot
Level: impossible
9:23 The jerky movement to track the Genji above him is way too abrupt and precise to not be the aimbot locking onto the Genji. If I were even slightly suspicious of this player already, this moment would have confirmed it for me. No Aim Assist behaves that way.
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@@thelostwanderergames4287 Apex aa is mad strong dont get me wrong but even then it doesnt snap your aim for you it aides tracking fast movement if the target you are on. No aim assist behaves like what is in this video regardless of how strong or unfair it can be deemed to be
I like how console players could immedietly tell tracer was cheating
Yeah LMAO I saw it near instantly
It's really easy no issue
pc players are delusional lmao aim assist isn't nearly that strong he was clearly cheating
@@matthewgantner8016 pc players are not delusional aim assist is busted against those without it. it's something you just have to experience to understand.
@@myntekx1298 it's definitely unfair but like jesus christ come on it doesn't perfectly track for you it just gets you on target
Fun fact: Aim assist doesnt aim for you it just makes the camera movement slower when you place your crosshair near or on top of an enemy.
No rotational aim assist will track for you slightly as well, perhaps not as strong as this but it does more than just slow down your sense
The guy is Ximming. Half of top 500 have this.
@@Nutstache everyone in console ownhates crosshair drag because it drags randomly, much more of a hinderance, so we turn down aim window and aim assist ease in to stop it
@@Htiy that drag from aim assist can mess so many shots up
that is just not true. Most games have active tracking while shooting and a "snap on" function that homes in on the enemy when you press the ADS button. It only works when you move the joystick in some direction- that is why in some games you can trick the game by very slightly moving the joystick and then just use a mouse on top of that. I don't know what the aim assist on console OW does in particular and how strong it is- but it will be more sophisticated than just slowing the speed down.
I play on ps5 and I had to turn the aim assist almost all the way down. It was actually making it harder for me to aim. It's also kinda hilarious when trying to shoot an immortality field. It's like the field has a magnet that repels ur aim. Lol
It's awful trying to shoot the field as Ana because a lot of the time it tries to lock my crosshair above it so it just misses.
@MrMacdaddymcfly this!! Always above it and I'm just sitting here fighting with my controller like please just shoot the non moving target!! 😭🤣
Pretty sure he messed up the Bap ult at the end because he had to “shoot” to place it. So he auto locked onto the enemy and it moved the ult back to the choke lol
Flats, you need to play on console sometime because this wasn’t an aim assist simulator. Do you think we just don’t use the right thumb stick at all while playing on console? lol
That's how most PC players think lmfao
He probs thinks you only have to move and not aim at all
To be honest, I was surprised he thought it was aim assist at first, even with not knowing what aim assist on a controller+console looks like, and I get most PC players do this, but I feel it was obvious that aim assist would not ever be as strong as this dudes aimbot. There is a difference in aim assist and aimbot, and this is that difference.
Flats should play on console for a stream, to get a real taste of aim assist. I enjoy watching flats, but, it would be nice to have a pc player who understands that overwatch’s aim assist isn’t aimbot.
im a pc player, never even played on console at all and i understand its necessary because a mouse and a controller could never be comparable.
honestly Halo has some of the absolute WORST Aim bot for controller.... an this is almost on par with that
I've never played OW on console, but I've been around the block on PC and consoles long enough-
I'm morbidly curious of how bad the aim assist is on OW.
Usually games like this where console ports are an afterthought are laughably terribad on console-specific systems and integration.
@@sylvrwolflolaim assist isn’t too oppressive honestly, but there’s this weird bug with it where it cranks to 11 and locks onto immortality field any time it’s on your screen lmao
I have never seen aim assist like that in Overwatch 😂, the first 10 secs of watching this guy play is enough for me to confirm he’s cheating
i literally play tracer like this with high sens, on console. I couldnt tell if he was cheating in the tracer gameplay
but the bap one gave it away
@@mrbruh1001 True. Ima high diamond low master Tracer main on ps5 & besides his basic movement & lack of blink combo usage his aim looks relative to mines
@@mrbruh1001 He soft locks on to targets which aim assist doesn't do at all in ow in the tracer game
@@jyti88 naw if you ever have the chance to watch high elo tracer gameplay on console the aiming looks relative to this but the bap gameplay is a dead giveaway
@@isaiahrandolph9841 He is in silver and his movement was very bad
I know you said you're not as familiar with Overwatch's aim assist, but... as a first-day veteran on console, the aim assist is NOTHING like this.
It's more like a friend strongly urging you to aim better over your shoulder with verbal encouragement and sometimes trying to pull the controller away from you mid match, and also usually impairs aim more than anything.
Fun fact, it sometimes breaks to have it set to actual "zero" so players like myself would set it as low as possible above 0, but keep it practically off.
Yea when i reached masters after the massive controller settings update that changed console OW. I lowered that shit down to .2 or some shit for the AA spot and deadzone at like .5 but any mild brained console player should be doing that
What would the best aim settings then for let’s say supports then? Ana, kirko, bap, lucio, zen. Just the 5 of them I would think would have some differences in aim settings
@@damionlerner7268 no. Keep aiming 1:1 with all heros, and use left stick over right most of the time. Only time right gets touched is if its to get a pre aim ready or to acquire a new target. I havent played on console since like season 23 so i cant remember the nuance of the control schemes it mainly comes down to low Aim assist cause this game has poopoo aim assist and low deadzones cause obviously you wanna move the stick with the same force and distance and get the same movement in game. I use expo for the curve but i was a genji, tracer, soilder player. Buy kontrol freaks aswell i recommend vortex. You want the tall boy on the right stick
@@damionlerner7268 incase you didnt see my edit buy kontrol freaks i recommand the vortex if you cant buy em online walmart has em nowadays (not back in 2017 when i bought the shits but i got the exact same pair so there quality. Still use em fo forza) tall one goes on right stick. I wont get into the actual science as to way there better but it narrows down to high the stick/control point the more control you have. Hence old arcade games being pretty damn beefy and tall. Best 10-20 dollar purchase u can make if you are a serious console gamer that wants to pubstomp or be good
@@damionlerner7268 The only times I personally change aim sensitivity is for characters/heroes who use scopes, since that's a whole other ballpark with controllers and joysticks. I usually would bump up the sensitivity by around 10% for everything in scoped-in sensitivity settings.
Oh boy, can't wait for a bunch of PC players who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about to flood this comments section and talk about how "aim assist = aimbot" despite them working in entirely different ways.
I mean.....for pc it basically is. Unlike you guys, we don't have a crutch to help us, so when we DO have aim assist, it's basically the same thing.
@@ART0RIAX that isnt how ow is though its a slowing effect, dragging really messes up aim so people take active measures to stop dragging tweaking a couple of the settings
@@ART0RIAX Was talking specifically about Overwatch, sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
@@ozmoses2492 try aiming with ur thumbs w/o and get back to me after
@@ozmoses2492 you don’t have a crutch to help you???? Being able to aim with your entire arm as opposed to just a thumb, having movement with wasd instead of a joystick, an entire fucking keyboard full of easily accessible bind options… C’mon bro it is so much easier on PC and you know it lol
Fun fact: even console aim assist doesn't work on competitive when crossplaying but it works in quickplay
console has no cross play for competitive
Interesting fun fact considering console players can't play competitive cross play at all
@@gpadd06 which is why it's turned off for console competitive
Edit: nvm I misread
@@taylorlee7154it isn’t
@@taylorlee7154 me when I spread misinformation
Props to the editor for the rising tone on the censor bleeps 😂
I have no idea how Flats can be confused about him cheating or not. People miss. This guy didn't miss A SINGLE TARGET. Not once! Yet, he couldn't move around the map without running in to walls and having difficulty. The only thing he didn't do, was get head shots non-stop; which is probably intentional to avoid cheating accusations.
Top500 doesnt miss. Its a difference but this guy is not a top500 so :D
@@Electranica Everyone misses, even people ranked #1. That's the point. The higher your elo, the less likely you are to miss. The more consistent you will be. This guy is clearly not even bronze and he never missed. It's obvious, he's cheating.
Flats isn’t confused about whether or not he’s cheating though? He literally says he is even during the tracer play, then proves it with the Bap gameplay. What he’s confused about is why the guy is cheating while using a controller. He’s just saying maybe the guy thought he could fool people into thinking he’s just a controller player on PC with aim assist cas not all PC players know controller wont get aim assist on PC. Flats is just throwing out theories as to why the guy made the odd decision to cheat, but then use a controller. Comprehension skills…
@@Luther_Luvin_Brad Thank you, captain Internet for gracing us with your wisdom; repeating what was said in the video. Had you not done so, the world would have been lost. Continue to bring your heroic comprehension skills to the masses.
@@LateCloser your comment is useless then with your response, stop being a jerk
3:07
I think how it works, from experience, is that when your looking at an enemy, the game sort of slows down your sensitivity, making it easier to land shots. However it can be a burden at times, cause it also somewhat follows the player, and will try to lock on in between 2 players if they are too close to one another.
Played someone similar to this in a game. They started on Bastion and got absolutely stomped by me and our other DPS then swapped to widow. They were missing every single shot at first and as they died more the aim miraculously got better and better. Went to watch their POV in replay, they had controller aim movement and every time they were in spawn they'd spam the "What's an aimbot" voiceline. The big give away for me was watching them struggle to stop being locked on to one target when trying to switch to someone else
As a console player this isn't how aim assist works. It helps with tracking but unless the enemy is literally moving like a snail. Aim assist does little to help with actual aim. This is 100% more than just simple console aim assist.
His alt mess up at 17:09 was caused because his lock on is bound to shoot and to activate it is shoot and it went to track the enemy.
thank you for being the highlight of almost everyday, flats!
Aim assist in overwatch drags your cross hair slightly depending on the velocity of the target within the aim assist window and the distance from you are from them as well as slowing down your sensitivity while your crosshair is over an enemy. That's now what aim assist looks like.
Spectating bronze > spectating cheaters
At 4:14 you can clearly notice something strange, aiming between 2 enemies ALWAYS fucks up your aim on aim assist, like I'm an all console gamer and I know for sure that no aim assist will allow you to move between two targets so smoothly
props to the editor at 17:00 for every time flats cursed the sound got higher pitch
Yeah forreal, i found that too fucking funny, had to rewatch that segment bcs of that lmao
I'm a console player and I can confidently say aim assist on overwatch with a controller just kind of guides your aim towards the target, it doesn't lock
The first game reeks of a guy who is basically trying to "ethically cheat" by only turning the cheats up to console-like. Which is incredibly odd. It's weirdly interesting because it kind of shows how 'some' levels of aim assist can influence games. I agree with Flats that it's most likely a self-imposed challenge. The second game only further provides evidence that blizzard's "Defense Matrix" is garbage. Which, now that we know PvE has been internally cancelled for awhile makes this outlandish cheating not being caught by the "Defense Matrix" even more laughable.
Hard locking more than 3 times should be immediately figured out and banned, let alone dozens of times in less than 30 seconds. in multiple games. Yet here we are.
Aim assist is sort of like aim smoothing. So on a certain range when moving the thumbstick the aim stays relatively mellow and smooth movements but when you push it to the max right or left then the speed kicks on. That’s what I’ve noticed. Sometimes you get pulling too from quick moving targets which can be annoying.
Aim assist doesn't lock like that. And even if it was aim assist it looks like a MnK game so either way its cheats. 100% yeah dude is cheating.
aim assist is NOT this strong
I just want flats etc to try console ow for one day to see what aim assist is like in game
Yeah man seems like he has strong opinions about aim assist when he doesn't even play on controller. People think that since apex aim assist is broken then aim assist is broken period.
Just checked a video on it and wow, you guys get almost no rotational. In games like Call of Duty and Apex its so strong that if someone passes you by close to you, your aim will literally spin around by itself to track, like a full 180. Controller overwatch players are monsters.
@@Nutstache Exactly especially the controller widows and stuff. Because as you get higher in rank, its mostly cheaters who plug in a xim, and then hit 50% crits on widow with a mercy pocket
@@kayfel27
Flats played on console before he played on PC, actually
@Handledeeznuts69 I can believe that, Jay3 did a contenders PC team vs best console team and the console team were all clearly using Xim
Flats missed the super obvious lock on at 9:23 and at 9:30 he's like "possibly, maybe" lol.
16:48 HOLY SHIT I THINK HE TRIED TO ULT AND HIS AIM PUT IT ON THE ENEMY LMAAOOO
Even in Console T500, it's all ximmers, so it's the best of both worlds, but not as bad as this
flats must be joking to think this is how aim assist works...
My mans is crazy not seeing it the first engagement. He cant even turn fast enough to take a corner but when ever he shoots the it goes up 15%
The amount of times that the tracer followed someone through a wall and the fact it wasn't mentioned is crazy to me
Flats an easy tip for you to tell if a game is console or PC is the strafe speed. U can strafe side to side faster on PC than console. The directional change is must faster. Also side note there is a lot of ways to cheat while using a controller. There is the side you're use to seeing is third party programs on the PC changing the input then there is the more direct ones that act as a middle man between controller and device called cronos zen that modifies input before it reaches the device. There is also another device called a cronos strike pack that can be plugged into the controller itself acts similarity to the zen as a man in the middle device. Based on the video it appears he is using a trigger bot that will adjust aim as soon as trigger is depressed
This only applies to any other game than OW though. OW doesn't have movement acceleration like other FPS games. The transition from standing to running is instant so on console you can definitely AD strafe if you are good at flicking the controller left and right at a decent pace. Especially if you fine tune your controller settings to make deadzones smaller so the transition is instant like it would be on KB. I use steam input to customize my settings for deadzones and even added a trigger dampening effect for my gyro aiming so when I'm actually shooting it slows my reticle down for better control.
@@KogaHarine yes while that's true how much of the average player base does this. Generally speaking 70% of console players aren't hard flicking or changing deadzones on the left stick. And in this I'm only referring to console players not steam
Over 25% of the times I log in now I get the "Thanks for reporting"... so many cheaters it's insane.
Yesterday I watched the replay of a sus Hanzo. It looked like he was on controller just like this. One of the last parts I watched in the replay was him firing a sonic arrow towards us then instantly snap 90 degrees to the right on one of his teammates head's then right back towards where he was originally looking....
If you compare how well he tracks a target and how much he sucks at just looking around
there is no way in hell that this guy is legitamtly tracking someone this well
Keep these coming big dawg i love spectating with you :)
4:07 No idea the mercy was there did a instant 180 flick onto her. Definitely sus
just the fact that they could do a 180 turn in 1 frame with their sens that low is 100% cheat
thats where they edited parts out notice how the point goes from 88 to 92
@@reesespuffs2483 Nice catch! that's a poor editing choice haha
I've been accused of cheating, but here's the thing, I'm trash and just play for fun, sometimes you get lucky.
Thing is, targeting through walls isn't something you can hide.
Also I love how the recent couple of videos have been kinda poop related, he either starts the video of having to go poop, or in the middle of a video has to go poop, or ends the video of going to go poop.
i'm like, 99% sure that i also played with this dude on bap... he was ranked pretty high on tank and dps but was doing placements for support... he carried the team and my duo q couldn't tell if he was just better than us or aimbotting...
I can confirm, i used to play Semi Pro Call of Duty back in the days and you had to actually aim back then. I then recently played the new one after having swapped to PC 3 years ago and i was still slapping ass on controller. It felt like the game was aiming for me at times and it has definitely been cranked up to 1000
There is two different types of aim assist in Overwatch 2, there is classic which most people have and it just slows down the aim when near the enemy. Then there is legacy which on PC would look like aimbot because it auto tracks onto people near your crosshair and tbh most people don't use it because it can be very annoying when there is more than one person as it flicks in between one another.
9:21 Seems like Flats missed the quick adjustments here on the Genji. That's when I knew for sure.
Aim assist isn’t cheats, it just helps the cross hair stay more stable on an enemy. This is just straight up lock-on.
Console aim assist ain’t that bad to counter for PC players
Even if Blizzard decided to enable it for cross play.
Oh my god, I'm so happy to see this. I was enemy Mercy on Midtown and my friend submitted that 2nd code :D Time to get my coffee and enjoy this!!!
edit: Yeah this guy didn't say much in match chat, but he did say he was "diamond on main" LMAOOOO keep in mind that Midtown lobby was Plat. Idk what dude thinks Diamond players look like but..
“Diamond on main” on a plat game is crazy lmao
That’s like being in bronze and typing “silver on main tho”
I love the old school RuneScape music in the background
Fun little notice. Ashen was with Isobella on both matches too, so probably a duo. Report their asses too.
I slightly agree with the OWL controller take. I mean if you’re a console player there you’re not very likely to watch Valorant or CS regularly. That can apply here too. People like watching someone they can relate to when it comes to competitive gameplay
I agree. Let's say you have a million console players who don't watch owl because they can't relate. Add console to owl and let's say half the console players start watching that's 500k new viewers you have
I think they don't do it because they think it would be kinda boring to watch and they saved the controllers for the competitive fighting game scene.
I didn't agree with it either at first, but the more I think about it, if done right, it could be the thing to make OWL stand out from all the other esports leagues.
somebody in OWL using a controller won't make them "competitively relatable", they're still in the top fraction of a percent of players
its so funny that it’s possible that he was in a group with Ashen, the tank from the second game and the kiriko from the first
He 100% was grouped with Ashen and potentially the Moira on Midtown. I was the enemy Mercy and checked.
11:47 it's already established that this isn't aim assist BUT fun fact: aim assist does work on teammates and it can actually be a HUGE detriment if you're playing characters like Ana on console because your crosshair can get stuck on a teammate when you're aiming for an enemy and vice versa. It's why I always have aim assist off when I play her (and very low otherwise)
0:10 ICE-OH-BELLAH😭😭😭
cod did recently kick up the aim assist in mw2019 and mw2 because if you watch videos and clips you can see the insane lock on but the tracking is also just fucking insane
5:25 this kill right here if he’s on controller is absolutely a confirmation because controller acceleration isn’t nearly fast enough to get a flick like that not to mention the tracking right after
While watching and grinding osrs i got baited that my game music was on LOL. Love the vids bud!
The window mess up wasn't because he messed up his correction. Placing it is the same button as shoot, so when he clicked to place it, the hack locked onto an enemy and placed it there instead.
Tbf, it would be nice to have the score board for the match at the very least, at the end of the replay.
But having it throughout the replay to reference would be lovely.
Okay, so having used Aim Assist on Consoles to play FPS such as Destiny 1 and 2 and Overwatch, it doesn't lock onto a target, it accelerates the movement towards a target already within a certain proximity of the reticle, and slows it as the reticle nears and inevitably stops over the target. This can actually cause momentary 'drag' in the aiming if two targets cross one over the other, or for the target to lag slightly behind a target you're trying to lead, but it also means that a target can't just juke left then right and watch you overturn in either direction.
as someone who played ow1 on console for its entire life cycle, aim assist does not work like that on overwatch and the cheating was pretty blatent while he kept going "maybe controllers just do that"
A nice way to explain overwatch aimassist is that it more so helps you not over shot your target. For example go to the training range and spin around, you'll notice on console you slow down, not lock onto any enemies. It's not the best bet it can help in some ways.
Now this, is not ow aim assist. This locks onto people. Not only that imo it also looks weird af the way they aim, just doesn't look right
>says "I'm all for representation"
>has no clue how console aim assist works
I play on PS5 and the way Aim Assist works is that it basically adds a scalable window over the enemy's hitbox. While your crosshairs are inside the window, your aim sensitivity will be reduced by like 30% at max strength.
Another thing Aim Assist does is that if you only use your movement joystick without interacting with the aim joystick, and your crosshairs hit an Aim Assist window, your crosshairs will slightly "stick" to the window, making it look like it's locking onto the target, but even at max strength, it's not as crazy as it is with this guy. In fact, your crosshairs will only tilt like 15° at full strength and at point blanc, which means that the tilt is much weaker the further away your target is, so it's not even that strong to begin with.
Unless you do micromovements like "shimmying", which aren't enough to move your "window" away from the enemy's crosshairs and therefore messing up their Aim Assist which forces them to use the aim joystick which then cancels the slight "lock on" feature, a console player should never be locking onto you like this 😉
This video does not leave me with a bad mouth taste. 9/10 :D
This guys sens is as low as how many brain cells I have after playing overwatch for 8 years
Those Bap windows remind me of when I first learned Bap, except instead of one badly placed window before the lesson is learned, it’s every single window and the lesson goes ignored.
He looks down and looks like playing on a controller, to prevent the hack to auto track targets through walls.
As someone who has been playing Xbox Overwatch all the way back in 2016 (specifically 2 to 3 days before Ana dropped) and still plays.
I can safely say, this person must be using an actual Aim Bot on a Controller (he’s clearly not using the base-game Aim assist, the Xbox Aim Assist is dog-shit, you can’t even tell it’s there in an actual game, unless you try and track someone who’s standing still)
Aim assist has a constant ramp down while it's active. And the farther away the center of the reticle is from the target, the less pull if gives.
He was flicking up and down on the first 2 minutes of the match. Thats a big red flag right there.
Bruh when i first played bap i was playing just like this guy shooting the ground and hoping for the best 😂💀
as someone whos looked through the code of blops 1&2 and compared the aim assist values to modern COD games, i can tell you for certain theyve cranked it up a shitload, blops had about a 30% assist and a slight player ads soft lock, warzone has about a 70% and a harder player lock when you ads
There’s no way he said it was hard to tell in the first point
You can see the tracer’s aim while not shooting look slightly below head level but the second they start shooting their aim locks onto the enemy and when they stop shooting they flick back to that aim thats slightly below head level after a sec, their true aim.
Its noticable at 8:00 when shooting the genji, a normal player after perfectly tracking the genji would still track the deflecting genji, but you see them inexplicably flick downwards. I mean if you are tracking them that well why not wait and keep your crosshairs on a totally done genji while ur at full health.
I think 7:44 is my giveaway mark for it. Tracking completely flips at the exact same velocity the torb is moving right after he had blinked and been going pretty decently (what looks like his max in tracer vid) the other way.
Flats, at the start of the second game: Do you know how I know this is the same guy?
Me, nodding sagely: Yes, because he's duoing with Ashen again.
Flats: He's still on the controller.
Me: Oh. Or that.
Seriously wondering if anyone from chat noticed that he was duoing and probably boosting Ashen.
The low sens for the tracer was throwing me off genuinely
9:22 you can see them insta lock onto the genji
It’s kinda interesting to watch someone aim bot with a controller on pc. I’ve never really encountered this b4 since the Xbox 360 days
Now imagine fighting this on consle, xim making me lose my mind ong
You can tell it's not quickplay because of the hud. If theres 2 dots at the top indicating score, its quickplay, but if its a number then it's comp.
I've seen some players who swear by controllers and somehow can't handle playing shooters with a mouse, so I'm not surprised to see one cheater using a controller once in a while.
amazing how many times this guy died on bap with his literal "can't die" button unpressed lmao
I swear that Bap was trying to heal his enemies more than his teammates xD
That was probably the only cheater I could empathise with. For a player to willingly use a controller on a PC FPS, they need all the help they can get. Especially when their controller is obviously broken and they can't even walk or jump properly. Such a sad story.
You do get a notification sometimes from Blizzard when you launch OW2 that someone you reported was banned for cheats. I've gotten it a few times. Although maybe that's just a placebo they send me to soothe the "hacker headshot me from narnia repeatedly in silver" rage.
The best way to describe aim assist is that it's similar to mouse acceleration but instead of the distance traveled being proportional to mouse speed, it's proportional to the distance from a target (with a threshold). In other words, when your crosshair is near a target, it goes at 0.5 sensitivity (example), when you're not as near but still within the assist threshold and moving toward the target, it goes at 1.5 sensitivity (again, example)
9:23 might just be me but im surprised that flick didn't get a reaction being how slow the movements are normally.
also 10:03 i don't think aim assist functions that way to make such a flick.
5:08 if it was a quick play game, it would have a different capture points indicator. Comp has number, quick play has circles being filled. This is since back in the day where you had to win 3 maps on KOTH in comp.
nvm this was brought up later.