AR15 Trigger Comparison - Hiperfire, Elftmann, Geissele, Rise Armament, Triggertech
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As someone else has mentioned. The TriggerTech is a 2 stage trigger with the 1st stage rated at 0.75lbs. And the 2nd stage rated at 2.75lbs (total of 3.5lbs). I have the competition on my AR and love it.
What model number is your trigger? TIA
They have single stage and two stage and have for almost 3 years.
@@curtisneill2007they do have both, but the one tested is a 2 stage
Man, I’d love to see an update to this video! So many new fantastic triggers on the market. Let’s go for Episode 4!
i’m just here to share my appreciation for having the correct names over the corresponding triggers in the thumbnail.. 90% of the time people have it all ass backwards.
What a great video!! Thanks for schooling this AR noob! I've been needing a video like this. The one before this was also very informative and helpful
Really nicely done. Easy to see everything.
Nice video! Very cool, I think this is a great example of what trigger design is and the things you gain or lose in creep and break and travel from different manufacturers.
Absolutely fantastic, this is, by far, the best video comparison out there! Thank you very much for all of your excellent analysis, detailed videography, graphs and informative presentation style; a huge amount of work but very much appreciated!
Many thanks and warmest regards from the deepest rural UK
Thank you this is not only what I was looking for but you actually surpassed what I was looking for.
Amazing job, these videos have helped me understand every verbal that affects trigger feel and operation. This has everything I need to make the best selection possible on my next trigger purchase. Thank you
Really liked the addition of the measurement behind the triggers for the take-up, break and reset
I enjoyed this video as much as your first, great content. I'd love to see the Lantac ECT-1 trigger in your next round, and see how it stacks up in an overcrowded market.
This is one of the best trigger reviews I have ever seen. Very in depth analysis. Keep up the great work!
Damn. One of the best comparison videos on triggers I have ever seen. Outstanding. Thank you for that detail.
Thanks for the video. Nicely done. One bit of constructive criticism if I might. Change your setup on the trigger pull weight measurement sure that you engage the trigger at the exact same location vertically each time to avoid a change in leverage on the trigger. This should significantly reduce variability. 😁
This^
Was exactly my thought, but you covered it hah
It seems that you could use model paint or nail polish to pick a reference spot to engage the trigger pull gauges repeatably. This is one way that high power marksmen set up sights and scopes. The technique works well for me. I might add that I use an RCBS spring type gauge. It has a rubber tube, not a roller, as with the Lyman gauge. I find that the Lyman gauge is very difficult to reposition even on a curved trigger shoe. A set of metal weights and formed wire attachment are absolutely the best system that I ever saw for trigger pull measurement. These sets were universal when I was an active competitor in NRA High Power and CMP service rifle events. It was possible to process hundreds of marksmen before a match. I am thinking about Camp Perry and the National Matches now. CMP match directors probably will not allow flat trigger shoes. The part represents a "visible modification" to the service rifle. I have had to remove non-rotating trigger and hammer pins to qualify my service rifle. The restriction is clearly in the CMP rules -- as is trigger pull weight limits (#4.5 minimum).
Outstanding job!!! Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this video. Ron
Great job at picking a variety of triggers from multiple price points. I found that very refreshing and I found this video just in time for my next 2 builds!!
God damn, this video's detail and quality are top notch. First time seeing any video and an instant sub, keep it up
Nice work! Really appreciate your time and effort on this!
Geissele is the only trigger I trust in this review on a fighting rifle used and abused by military and is built to be bomb proof
I like my geissele too, but Hyperfire's competition triggers will shock you with how nice they are.
Love my geissele
@@jaykapur9588 I put the giessle sap on a pistol just for home defense. Got an sg3g on a rifle 4.5 lb best of both worlds IMO for a rifle single stage isn’t as good. I would like the hybrid I have or 2 stage if I’m going to shoot long range shots with.
Love these in depth videos man, keep up the good work!
I don't think the Geissele is really meant as a competitor to the rest of these. Geissele markets their triggers as being just as reliable as milspec, while being compatible with milspec springs. For my hard use, home defense, bet-my-life-on-it lower, I use Geissele SSA-E. For my competition and range lower, I use a Hipertouch Eclipse.
As far as the S3G, Geissele states quite clearly that it's designed to feel like a single stage, not that it actually is one.
One of the best Geissele triggers was their BG-RF Rapid Fire trigger which was only offered through Brownell's exclusively. The BG-RF was a hybrid that broke like a single stage and reset like a double stage. Absolutely no creep, ultra-short reset and 2.8 to 2.9 trigger pull that was very similar to the US SOCOM 's Super Select Fire trigger system. This model was discontinued a few years back, but they were a real diamond in the rough.
PSA has a new trigger two stage id love to see tested! Having a drop safe design like the elf is very nice to have as well.
Thanks for your efforts. This saved me much trial and error in settling on a trigger for my 308 build. I just ordered the Rise Armorment 535 as it fits my needs. I am looking for a slight pre-travel to match up with the 1 mm pretravel in my Franklin Armory Binary trigger in my 556. I also used your HARLEYWOOD code at MSR arms to order the trigger and few other things for my 308 build.
The information, the demonstration, the execution and explanations, all of it was great! Really really good content, thank you!
thanks Steven. Appreciate you watching.
Very, very nice job. Thanks. Btw, I watched all the vids in this series. Bang up job! Much appreciated.
This format is so good. Because like you said there's different reasons why someone would go with one over another. For instance my bedside AR has an SSA in it for a reason as my DMR build has a triggertech adjustable (on recommend by your previous video and is also my favorite trigger) but I wouldn't swap them for the roles that they perform.
This was a badass video! I love to see things work!!
Great video!!! Thanks for the comparisons!
Great job dude. I appreciate the info.
Thank you for taking the time to put together this nearly perfect video. A very clean, concise, informative video that allows your personality to come through without any blah blah blah down a rabbit hole about who farted. Nothing is worse than asking for the time and someone tries to tell you how a watch is made instead. Anyway I normally do not comment or like or subscribe because well I leave pointless comments like this. But for whatit is worth thank you. look forward to more
Awesome job on this! I need to pick up some of those tools to step my testing game up to your level.
I have a Elftmann AR9 drop in trigger installed on my shorty pcc and I love it, smooth, crisp, not much travel at all. Love em.
This video is incredible. Can’t wait to check out the other trigger review videos! Thanks and God bless!
when the video is this informative i watch the commercials....thank you for saving me all the time and research! im buying the Rise Armament 535 to replace my factory trigger
Watching this calmed me down. Just the thorough, mindful process and display of research.
Ciento percento effort
Some great info here. I primarily use the Geissele SSA and the LaRue MBT-2S triggers and love them both. I am less concerned with trigger pull weight or takeup, as opposed to the predictability and cleanness of the break. Tough thing to measure and compare objectively without additional instruments, but I always feel like I know exactly when the trigger is going to fire.
Bill Geissele explains why some triggers should have a carrot feel to the break on combat rifles as opposed to a glass break on a bolt action target rifle.
Great information on all topics. Good job!!!
Fantastic review! I appreciate the scientific approach.
Just purchased a Hipertouch Genesis trigger for my AR Pistol, very informative video. Great work!
Everyone wants to focus on trigger weight at the break. That is fine, but you should also look at hammer strike power. Many trigger mfr's have great feeling triggers that don't hit hard enough. I like the Hiperfire triggers because they NEVER lack for hammer power. My Eclipse is fantastic. About 2.8 lbs, super short and consistent reset and I have zero issues when switching to something like steel cased ammo with those hard-assed Russian primers.
evernhamanderson agreed. One of the reasons I went to Velocity. You can order the heavier spring setup. I loved my Elftmans and they are fine in 5.56 applications, but i had about 10% light strikes on several 9mm Carbines. The Velocity ended that issue.
Is that why everyone says not to use steel case with AR's? I thought it was because the steel is hard on the ejector.
@@keats182 Steel is harder and of course that means a different level of wear and tear on any system. However, unless you are actively shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through the same weapon, you will likely never encounter any wear issues that are steel related. I was part of a test conducted with TULA ammo where they shot a new rifle to over 25000 rounds using nothing but steel cased ammo and compared it to a weapon that was fired using brass. The result? No appreciable difference between either weapon in terms of wear and tear.Remember, a mil spec weapon has a chromed chamber, bore and carrier. The chrome is harder than the steel case on the ammo.
Of course, your ejector isn't chromed. But, I believe the actual wear issue you are referring to is the "extractor", not the ejector. The extractor has to climb over the case rim each time it closes and the additional hardness of the steel case makes people suspect that it will erode or even chip the pall on an extractor. I personally have not seen this issue, but it makes some amount of sense. However, keep in mind the amount of shooting you would need to do in order to experience any issues of this type is extremely high. Literally 10's of thousands of rounds.
In my opinion, if there is an extractor issue using steel cased ammo, it was probably going to be an issue at some point anyway. The steel case just brings it to light earlier.
Great job providing pure analytical information -- devoid of subjectivism. A+
First time I've found you. Subscribed. (rare on first video for me) I don't know the other folks here, but longer run time on a video is not an issue for me, when presenting solid, useful info.
Good, detailed comparison. Thank you!
Fantastic man, I really appreciate you doing these tests, I’m in the market for an enhanced trigger. 👍👍
Really nice work. Well done. All information.
Excellent review!
Hey brother, I really like how you've done this video! Great job!
Solid love this review
Just put a Hiperfire EDT Sharp Shooter in my Bushmaster and used the 4 1/2lb spring. To me a really good upgrade from the mil-spec, this is my first trigger upgrade. Like to see a test on those EDTs from Hiperfire to know the actual numbers. BTW, excellent informative videos 👍👍
Most scientific trigger group review i have ever seen. Thank you. Subbed.
Thanks for the video I bought a few of these triggers for some builds I’m making
This video helped a lot
Thanks ... Your effort is appreciated!!!
Thanks for putting this out
Fantastic video man!
Great informative video, well done Mr. HarleyWood
Stumbled across this channel, great break down, especially watching the internals as the trigger being pulled. I would ask one thing be added to this which is the "HAMMER STRIKE", many competition triggers suffer from light "HAMMER STRIKE" or light primer strike which can cause many problems for anyone using Military ammo or other bulk ammo. p.s. would love to see the "BEST" triggers of each brand especially of those offered today. Thank you for a great presentation!
I love these videos, you do a great job! If you end up doing another I’d love to see you include Blackout Defense‘s Zero trigger and something from Velocity triggers
Nice video! The Trigger Tech is a 2 stage trigger with a 0.75lb first stage. That is why is has that “play” before you hit the wall.
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Yeah it is such a great trigger! So smooth and crisp. The take up allows for better accuracy. It gives you the anticipation required for accurate shots with the crisp break of a single stage trigger for fast shots!
Great video. Appreciate the work.
Really good information! I appreciated the scientific approach versus opinion. Good content! Keep it up!
great info brother !! thank you!!
There is a reason why Geissele triggers are the most used triggers in 3 Gun competition. 3 Gun competition shooter like myself, along with Jerry, Clint, and more all use Geissele triggers. Two stage triggers with a 1.5 pound overall weight makes a world difference then a single stage, and the reset on a two stage is insane.
Jerry uses whatever trigger is currently sponsoring him. He has used AR Gold and Mossberg JM triggers, too.
The bias is strong when folks overpay.
Just bought a tricon. Everywhere else they love it.
Awesome episode! Thanks!
Excellent analysis
I use LaRue and binary exclusively. Of course I do trigger jobs on all of them, and a good polish.
I bought 3 TT triggers after watching this. 1 adjustable and 2 competition. Love them all!
I no I'm 4 months late but this was a great video , I'm new 2 the 2A world very informative. Thanks 4 what all u guys do.
A trigger review that provides actual information where it can. thank you for this.
I love this type of comparison... there always is personal preference but this really broke down the numbers
FYI: The TriggerTech is more of a two stage trigger and you only get that additional mm of travel I’d you let off completely so it’s a moot point.
Excellent video sir!
Great trigger video! Some good triggers in your collection.
As ALWAYS thanks harley !!!
That safety is awesome, a peace sign and scull and crossbones.
Absolutely well made content!
Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to do these reviews! I know it is a TON of work!
I had a Geissele SD-E two stage in a precision AR. Had too much creep for what it cost. Had a Hiperfire 24C. It was amazing. Sold it to a buddy who wanted to use it for 3-gun.
I just ordered a Timney Calvin Elite. I'm going to run it for a while, but may do another build with the Hiperfire Eclipse. The higher end Hiperfires are much cleaner than the Genesis.
No problem man. Thanks for watching. I've had a TON of requests to review the Calvin Elite. That might have to be included in part 4. I've also had some feedback that this Hiperfire isn't necessarily the best one and that I should review the Eclipse or Reflex. Also lots of folks asking for the ATC Gold. Lot's of good options for another version of this series.
Triggertech diamond and atc gold would be solid choices for Harleys next review.
The thing that's great but also sucks about triggers is its so damn subjective. It really makes finding one each person will like hard without trying one in someone else's rifle or pistol. It sucks to bite the bullet and buy a trigger you may end up hating even after watching videos. Some of them cost good amounts to only be stuck with something you have to either sell or just throw in a drawer.
In my opinion there are good reasons to use a Geissele over others, durability, safety and repeatability and in the off chance a primer did manage to fall back into the trigger assembly, you can get get it out. It will stop a cassette from working because the cassette designs make a good portion of them, unable to be take apart to get the primer out of the assembly. For a defense rifle that's a big negative. I also really appreciate that Geissele use full power springs for reliability. Lastly their hammer design how it hits in the sweet spot which aids in repeatability for accuracy.
For me, my cassette trigger of choice is ATC gold and Triggertech diamond, followed by RA-434 if I wanted a cheaper budget cassette. I dont dislike elftmann either but prefer gold and diamond in the premium price cassette market.
I'm currently writing the parts list for my "forever" AR, and came here to look at different trigger options. I really appreciate what you've done in these videos. I've been writing it out and then reading the price later for each part, but I honestly think I'm going to go with the less expensive Rise Armament after seeing this. You, sir, have saved me some money.
LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Flat trigger. Under $100 shipped. 3.5lb trigger pull. Crisp break. Can’t beat it!
@@TheMetalLife666 I have 2 of the LaRou triggers and a RA454 the RA is better and worth the extra spend IMHO. If your uses is the range mostly and self-defense as a last resort, I'd go with the RA. If you are using it as a self-defenses only rifle (police or private security) the LaRou is more forgiving of people who play with the trigger.
Bottom line is keep your finger of the damn thing unless you are ready to shoot. I have a PPQ and it's trigger is not very forgiving to flinches. It will punish you with an ND if you screw around.
I watched both videos several times and now I know what trigger I want. Thank you so much for the work you put in. I picked the Rise Armament RA-434. If I like it I'll put one in my Ruger SR-556. Thanks again
Todd Baker
You’ll love it. Thanks for watching
Thank you for this!
AWESOME VIdeos!! The three top triggers I have never seen reviewed head to head are the Hiperfire Eclipse, Triggertech Diamond, and AR Gold. I hear the AR Gold and Triggertech Diamond are extremely close but never seen them in comparison.
I agree with this list and would add in the Timney Calvin Elite. Those are probably the "best" triggers currently on the market. Oh, and the JP.
These are all the best of the best, but for different reasons. AR Gold/TT Diamond for precision, and Hiperfire Eclipse for pure speed.
Fantastic job.
Thanks
Awesome info brother. Thanks a lot
New to ARs and wanted to understand more of how the trigger works. Video really helped me out. Thank you!
very welcome. thanks for watching
Thank you so much for the info! I subscribed
Thank you for the great info!!!! You’re awesome!!!!
Liked- subscribed - appreciate your time and info! Bravo
Nice review! Very detailed.
great review, well done
Hell yeah! I have never used an aftermarket trigger but I just bought 2 triggertech comps for just over $100 each. Can’t wait to feel the difference.
Got the Rise A 535 and it's the best AR trigger I have used in this platform. Been through a lot of different ones but the 535 is my favorite by far
how’s it holding up? im debating on grabbing one
@Ninemili.9 been fantastic for reliability for sure 100% now I am not sure as its been a minute since I bought it but it does have some minor take up before it breaks. It's definitely not like my trigger tech diamond but it's damn good. This is post a good bit of rounds down range. Best of luck. That's about as honest as I can be. Good luck
Great work. Takes out a lot of guess work on what trigger to buy.
Elftmann Triggers are on all my AR's. Absolutely luv' em.
LOVE THESE COMPARISONS!! I’ve used your videos to settle on the Elftmann match triggers for my two ARs. I had RISE in them before. For the money, the RISE are hard to beat. I just wanted the lightest pull for my two bench ARs. Thank you!
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Dipping my toes into the mod world of guns. Starting with my M&P15. Was looking up Velocity triggers but ended up here. While I'm def not looking at these right now due to wanting to be a little more budget at the moment, I loved and enjoyed the work you put into this that has lead me into subscribing!
Was the sw all you could afford lol save up and get a bum or Zion or black rain ordinance all under a thousand
DW man it's nothing wrong with the M&P; don't have to but deluxe if it works right.
This just came into my feed.....nice summary at the end!.....I have an old JP trigger which is my match trigger@2.5#....a hyper fire which is ok but a little sloppy like you said, and a Timney that I did not like, but now I am coming around to it...it is tight
Excellent job, thank you
I have most of the triggers in this video. My favorite trigger hands down is the Triggertech Diamond, such a smooth crisp trigger. The Geissele SD-E is my second favorite
What would you recommend for a mid priced flat faced trigger
@@marcpodolski3366 I'd personally go with the Larue MBT flat trigger. And they have single and 2 stage so you can pick your preference
@@marcpodolski3366 it's a decent trigger thats about $110/$125. Cheaper if you can find a sale or something
Wow😲😲😲well done and thank you for the detail .
great review video, that trigger jig is pretty cool. I just got a Rise Armament Rave 140 trigger and love it !
Armament & Axes
Thanks man. I have one of those too. You’re right. It’s great.
thanks for this video. great info