Why Does NA Suck at League of Legends?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2022
- Scarra, Yvonne, and Kobe talk about the state of League of Legends Worlds back in 2013.
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I'm not from NA but I can imagine how aful it feels to send a team like 100T, who is basically a team from Pangaea, to worlds
Because they don't train well and don't take league that seriously. They treat it like a hobby with a salary.
Or the fact that China and Korea play each other all the time and na can’t play anyone else but themselves
@@Jack-yu4vq they have imports.
Its probably due to team synergy and culture. Which is partly due to NA being viewed as retirement region. Maybe they need to grow more home talent like Danny.
@@DewUrBest bruh you can't grow home talent consistently with a soloq as shit as na. Besides that point Danny and jojo are exceptions when I comes to rookies. Saying fixing lcs is growing homegrown talent is disingenuous.
@@DewUrBest we don’t have homegrown talent, kids play cod and now valorant in na, why do you think na imports so many player?
In East if u get solo killed your career is over
Back in my day in China at high school and university everyone was playing league, many ppl don't even play any other games or have any other hobbies, it was a huge thing there, universities&colleges have league teams& league matches.
The biggest thing is talent targeting. These young mechanical prodigies like Zeus are on the radar by the time they’re 14. They’re reaching out and coaching up these players from a young point. Half the talent NA has gotten has been older players from other regions. Two of NAs best players are Danny and JoJo, two young players thatre developing and performing at a solid level. We need to capitalize on younger talent rather than signing washed up korean star player number 683 and signing veteran aphromoo then expecting that team to perform well internationally
and where are these young talents coming from bro. You can't just say find talent when there's not enough talent to find
Not sure if I agree entirely when it comes to players like Aphromoo. Players like him are so well-known and beloved that they bring a lot of viewers and therefore money into the scene. Not to mention experience which can be invaluable to a lot of these newer players.
@@nguyenn7729 the reason there is not enough talent to find is because they never get a chance so they give up. Shitty bottom tier teams like Immortals would rather recycle old trash like WildTurtle than give some young ADC a chance
CLGs approach this year was refreshing and more teams need that. However it was a little too late since so many like FireFy for example who dominated amateur scene for so long never got a chance and gave up
@@ColdGamingLp bringing viewers is the only reason but that experience means dogshit in today’s world. Unless you are an absolute world class player like Faker or Deft or Meiko or Xiaohu, it doesnt matter how experienced you are if you are not good enough to compete internationally or adapt with changing times and metas.
Experience of someone like Vulcan or Jensen is still valuable because they can play at a high level even now but just recycling any old player because of their past fame is what ruins the opportunities for young talent and kills the scene rather than improve it
At the end of the day, if you want those short term benefits of a player like Aphromoo, forget winning forever or any long term benefits. You can be happy with mediocrity
Work ethic diff. NA players don’t truly want to be the best and are more worried about having a balanced life and mental health. They don’t want to sacrifice anything in order to achieve their goals.
also a sense of desperation to be the best like in eastern teams
NA can't handle critism and coach get cancel
Aw, I wanted to hear what Yvonne was going to say
Yeah there are barely any homegrown talent in NA most of the top of players in NA were imported and became residents.
Since it's probably impossible to change the existing culture in the pro scene at this point, all lcs can do is just spend more money to bring top tier players and coaches from other 1st & 2nd tier regions and hope teams created from those players win in an international tournament before they also become lcsfied. Otherwise, lcs is probably going to continue its decline.
Not enough time together to get synergy is answer. Look at 100T. They were initially considered bad and nothing. Give them a couple years together and they become top team.
NA's down fall after Doublelift retirement.... i still doesnt know who are these adc in NA are beside Tactical and han sama from Misfits Gaming and transfer to NA.. Sneaky is gone also bang gone zven is a support now perkz went back to EU, and wheres wildturle havent heard anything about him..
I don't think a good performance at worlds will necessarily change the US' perception of playing league. In my opinion, and from what I've seen personally, people look down on League of Legends because of the toxicity of its community. Its perceived as some kind of masochistic venture to play, which honestly isn't completely wrong. I think the main way to improve leagues perception is to improve its community, but Riot doesn't seem to value getting that involved in implementing good behavior / bad behavior system changes that actually make a difference.
Its NA, people acting like hipster and try their hardest to look down “main stream”. When it is trending up, people wont say crap, as soon as it became mainstream people will look down at it. It really isnt that many people, but they are always the annoying ones who feel like if they dont say something their identity is gone.
It's because they can't. Riot cannot change attitude that is stemmed from society's core cultural values. NA's culture is not one that promotes pushing past your limit to achieve greatness, it is culture that seeks healthier work/life balance and settling down for mediocrity. It is inherently not bad, but when your job is quite literally to attempt to become the best at what you do, it's going to put you behind the people that are born and raised in culture that whips them to become the best they can be. This has been proven many, many times in other esports like Overwatch, CS:GO, Dota2, Starcraft.
IMO LCS winning worlds matter on changing people's perspective on US league more than most people think. League was booming and everyone loved it back then because the players think their region mattered. It mainly became a shitshow when everyone thinks everyone is bad. If NA teams consistently perform internationally, people would feel less shitty about playing league because playing bad in a good region doesn't feel as shitty. You will think that you are doing okay because the players are that good, rather than feeling so bad losing to players who are shit in the game.
I believe its whether the country is overpopulated. If a country is overpopulated then people are more likely to search for different avenues of revenue because jobs are much more competitive to get. Here in NA you can go to any solid University and get a job in any STEM field you want without having to furiously compete for a job.
People in NA don't take league seriously because they are working towards their degrees or have their dream jobs. NA will get much better when jobs start running out and the new generations need to specialize in something else.
It’s not about talent
It’s about work ethic
You can’t expect to beat players that outwork you… you’re just hoping to get lucky
how do you know they get outworked? I think the answer is much more obvious. It's a numbers game. Read Malcom Gladwell's book outliers and you find that this statistically is true.
The top 1% of players out of 1000 people will never compare to the top 1% of players out of 10,000.
There are more south korean and chinese players of LoL than any other regions. EU is next which is why, surprise, they always have better showings than NA.
The most apparent case where this is true is the U.S. soccer teams in the olympics. Despite having participated for decades, the U.S. rarely has good showings. I doubt these olympic athletes 'aren't working hard'. We don't care about soccer here so our top 1% talent can't compare.
@@stone_pilot It's common knowledge that Asians typically work much harder. 10-12 hour work days 6 days a week are pretty normal, sometimes extending up to 16 hours. It's not healthy, but I reckon it's needed when they're trying to become the best in the world at what they do.
@@stone_pilot You are comparing the top 1% out of 1000 in NA VS top 1% of 10,000 in Asia which are different sample pools with differing variables of which culture is a huge part of it. If the two population samples you are comparing have the exact same traits you can make that standard deviation case but this is comparing two entirely different sets of variables which must carry significant assumptions.
@@kelex1298more importantly asians korea and china have one simple mentality if my neighbor doing good i must do good too now apply this mentality in any domain it has a bigger impact i have a mentor that i want to surpass and other guy want to surpass me and other guy want to surpass the other guy u got the idea right ?
in na its dull first na people they tend to lean more toward casual and fun over tryhard and competitive games thats reality not fiction and our friend here said eu have huge playbase i dont agree with you because eu has servers mixed also with african players and arabic players in euw + eune playerbase this is why you have more playerbase in eu however in na usa have server issues because they play only with na playerbase only + low player ls who cares about league which made it harder x10 times already and this is just player issues im not talking about management e sports team issues where the manager pushes coachs to practice late game comps to win national trophy over international trophy i can prove this if u look at eg coach drama Lira or something like he said i wanted to practice with players comps for worlds but the manager wanted us to play with Azir you got the idea right ?
I think as they alude to it is fundamentally cultural, not so much the specific league stigma but just the overall idea of scouting and developing young players in the west is just not culturally accepted. Yeah it happens but most parents still would reject that and won't allow their kids to put in the time at the game to develop.
In the west the average person does not take gaming seriously as a competitive pursuit. Until that changes the west really will never stand a chance.
On top of that, numbers also give the east a huge advantage. If you have a pool of players to pick from that is literally 10x bigger then you can be 10x more picky about the quality of player that you bring onto a given team. This applies to ALL competitive sports. There is a reason the small population of Canada tends to dominate hockey. Its because culturally hockey is so popular there that they have the most players playing at a competitive level.
As an NA fan, I know we probably won’t be doing anything at worlds every year (except the occasional c9 team). The only thing that makes me happy is when NA drags those EU dogs down with us. Never gets old watching their strong starts crumble.
c9 fired sneaky so theyll never to anything at worlds again.
Nah... NA players is just full of streamers even in Valorant game their players are just a bunch of streamers nowadays.
I play League but I am from EU so its ok
The way you realistically turn around the sentiment for playing League is by actively moving away from the memes that talk about it in a negative light. League of Legends is a wonderful game, and it deserves to be looked at fondly, not with the current toxic mindset.
"current????"
@@stuntmonkey00 wouldn't you say that there is currently a toxic aura around playing and enjoying league?
@@MinoTaurusLoL 100% everyone has a toxic mindset unfortunately.
Mainly because leagues greatest flaw is simply that you put the success of your game in the hands of 4 random strangers, all with different goals from your own.
Put that flaw into ranked queue and its a recipe for disaster for your personal enjoyment. You can play out of your mind yeah, but even if you win the 50 minute game where bot went 2/14 in the first 10 minutes and you carried the game, next game your team ffs at 20 cuz top gets destroyed and your jg decided to aggressively invade while behind and goes 1/8 by 10.
Now your lp gain from the first game is just 4, 50 minutes of stress, worry, effort and the only thing to show for it is 4 measly points.
bot went 2/14 speaking about toxicity ? sadly you are one of them
I think you shouldn't be able to import talent from people not raised in their respective regions. if TSM is half Korean players 1 Chinese player is it really a NA team?
I love the part where they talk about why NA sucks at LoL, nice title 💀
NA lolz, you can tilt any players lolz
What's the song at the end? It sounds like some cringe shit a middle schooler would record at home after watching their first anime.
I think it's lily bro hahhaa
Bring back LS
This is why NA sucks so much. You SUPPORT them even if players put in 0 effort, and NEVER CRITICIZE
Dota as well...how many NA's last hope do they need lol
Have you seen them play Dota 2? 🤣
If Toast stated as a LOL player, he would have been pro. He has the mental capacity and passion.
When Evon and Toast play they always argue but that's just him taking the jungle role and wanting to be better.
It's cultural thing, not just a win lose thing.
If the region embraces it, naturally, people will fall into a sense of false reality, which makes it become reality.
For example, in Korea, League games are broadcasted over TV. This is embracement. You may not like League, but the fact that it's broadcasted on TV, there's a false perception that it's popular even if it's not (I mean, it is in Korea, but that's not the point) and people will move towards liking it just to be "cool." When enough people do that, it becomes cool, because now everyone likes it.
NA and EU simply don't embrace this culture. The fact that NA only declared League to be a sport was just so they can tax the winnings and has not done a thing to promote it is already proof that the culture isn't even close to being supportive.
At the end of the day, the more people you have playing the game, the bigger the talent pool, the more likely it is you will find good talent. It's just maths. If you have ten people playing the game, then your two best teams are these ten players, they're going to be awful compared to the ten best players selected out of a million players.
Because we are all too busy making unnecessary dramas that no one cares about
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League is For Low Mechanic thinking Compare to Dota LOL sucks🤮