The LCS Is Over
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Everything just changed in tier 1 League of Legends.
Yesterday, Riot announced a series of sweeping changes including a new international tournament, regions in Asia merging together and the LCS forming a pan-Americas conference league with Latin American and Brazil.
Some have welcomed the changes as necessary for the future of LoL esports in the Americas - but there are many angry voices too.
Here’s all the details.
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brasils problem with the merger is that despite LOUD being the sole champion for 4 whole splits weve been having a blast lately, the co-streams doubled viewership and there are a lot of new and exciting rosters promissing long term projects that now might not have a chance on center stage, and for what? so NA can keep their investiments safe? be sure, the transition will be rough and retaliation is to be expected, majorly depends on which teams will be demoted, thing is, every single team this split has something going for them, FURIA is the safest one to kick out, but thats it, everyone else has too big of a fanbase or at least a reason to watch their games.
If we could keep all of our teams there would be no problem, question is that 40% of our players and their staff will have no where to go, most will go for academy, which brings a whole new problem on itself. We are at a huge loss with the merger, what does NA has to offer? better pay for our players? most people in the country think they are being paid way too much already, theres nothing to be gained for the average viewer and our league has never been better.
And people somehow are surprised we are mad, we dont care about LCS and LS's point of a domino effect is fear mongering, our league is solid and self sustainable, we dont need a constant stream of investiments to keep our doors open, we have solid organizations with strong sponsorship and our operational costs are significantly lower than LCS's
This change will be met with pitchforks.
We already proved we dont need riot to make a profitable tournament, this merger is the biggest red flag for LCS's survivability, i would be scared if i were you
All that been said, RIP LLA
+ brazilian fans don't really care about the poor level of play that brazilian teams have shown. We're here for the memes, the content and the criminal gameplay lol. Brazilian fans who want to watch high level gameplay can just watch the LPL and the LCK
waa waa. maybe itll help your region actually improve
@@sugar4936 the thing is we dont really care if the region improves if we're losing 4 teams wich we really like and love to watch
@@sugar4936 we literally couldnt care less about good gameplay, besides, LCS is not exactly peak league of legends is it? average at most
@@sugar4936 bro brazilians couldn't care less about the improvement of the region gameplay wise. Our undisputed best team got defeated by GAM with 2 subs and the audience levels are still high
Tbh riot just made brazillians mad with lcs, like we dont care we suck we just want to have our special trash, also it will kinda destroy all the academy teams 4 teams and ppl that actual work for those teams. In the end it will probably fail cuz we won’t improve and the market will be reduced
relegation should be all teams not just guest spot that is dumb.
if relegation were to hit all team, higher paying orgs (which keeps the league alive ) such as c9 and TL would potentially leave the league and go somewhere else, either way these teams usually are at the top of the scene , and since theres only gonna be 6 teams we can expect : TL/C9/Fly/100T/NRG to stay so we are likely only going to lose one or two of the shit team so its fine really (shopify rebellion / immortal / dignitas)
@@willdallly8271”Go somewhere else” to where else would they go now? Riot just made it so there’s only 1 “Americas” League so if C9 and TL want to leave they’re not going anywhere they would just be done lmao. Relegation should absolutely apply to every team, C9 should NOT be losing and if they do then they deserve to be relegated. If that’s not how the system works then don’t have relegation.
@@z34567890123456 obviously you never watched soccer before. they make the money so they make their own super league with no relegation.
Iam sorry but that statement is so stupid.... Like the best teams should stay and get promoted not the once with the most money!!!
@@lester8403 you live in fantasy mate, business wise it wouldn't work or make sense to relegate teams every season and promote other random team, teams would stop getting rookies and rebuilds so they avoid relegation at all cost it would hurt the scene a lot more.
Oh boy, I sure love to see my small regional league from the south, that took much effort and passion for us to build by ourselves alone, being eating alive little by little for the survival of some ppl from the north that destroyed themselves, the CIA must be proud at least.
The CIA part crack me! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
and people wonder why the government is trying to control the internet... xD
the day they got rid of relegation was the day I stopped watching league esports
So true, it used to be so interesting to see if your team would survive relegation or not but now it's kinda a snooze fest.
Yes, very true. Teams don't even have to worry about relegation anymore. Trash teams getting more trash every single split
@quiqly1581 huh? You were fan of shit teams? Cuz let me tell you none of the popular players back in the day faced regulations that often. And they would often 3-0 anyway.
hope u wont ever watch league again
bye
As a cblol fan, this is terrible. Our league was thriving in viewership, getting record numbers every split and now they are gonna sacrifice 4 of our teams just to try to save the LCS. We are getting screwed for something that wasn’t even our fault.
cblol team suck every year, couldnt beat a team that reign for almost the entire history of it's region despite having half of it nuked due to matchfixing
No one cares, cblol is a garbage region and you should be thankful it didn't just get straight up deleted.
@@chewy1301when did I claim that we are good? Lol. Every Brazilian knows that we suck internationally, but we are very passionate about our domestic league and all of its teams, we have the second biggest viewership in the world, just behind the LPL.
@@brunoxd151 why in the world should riot, or any other corp fund money into a region with fuckarounds? its eventual that regions are going to be combined like valorant, theres simply not enough money to support all the minor regions
@@brunoxd151 Why wouldn't Riot merge CBLOL? The league is struggling with performance issues, and there's a lack of substantial financial investment in the scene, driven mostly by passion. Players aren't receiving fair wages compared to other regions, making it hard for them to maintain high performance levels. In contrast, Valorant's Americas league is achieving exceptional results. It seems logical for Riot to consider combining CBLOL.
Franchising in esports is a joke.
How is it a joke if Valorant VCT has shown that it’s extremely successful in order to be sustainable in this esports drought?
successful sure KEK @@VasmX
@@VasmX valorant came out less than 5 years ago VCT will be less successful in 10 years BECAUSE of franchising imo
@@esc3107 aint that hard to look up the numbers it's all on the escharts website. At least VCT Americas is more successful than whatever garbage the LCS has been producing. LEC also had 337,367 average viewers last split. More than double the average LCS views last split 🤣😂 cry all you want, y'all need this merger
@@dr.bunchungus2976 Tell me how the current LCS franchising is working out. VCT's franchise system is clearly working for the esports scene as the viewership has broken records and the competition is even throughout all region. It's an obvious more sustainable model vs the current joke of a system that LCS is doing.
The only idea I like is that champions will not be able to be picked twice, that will be cool.
Yea fearless draft is great. It’s been great in the LPL. Wish we would see even more of it
Wish they would implement this in worlds too
Riit loves T1/Faker too much, this is such a huge buff to them
its actually genius since LoL is really old, its getting stale even for the viewers and this will give viewers a breath of fresh air
@@hstater2 its shit though.. they are doing that softcore so we still see the same shit most of the time... I want them to do hardcore where a champion that was picked once can't be pick anymore by BOTH TEAM.... LPL is softcore where only the team that picked a champ(for example Zeri) can't pick it on next game but other team can still pick champ (Zeri)
I really like it in regular season bo3s, but I really don't want to see it internationally or in playoffs. When I watch blg vs geng in the finals, I want to see both teams coming at the match with their absolute best, and I don't have a problem seeing bin play jax multiple times if it makes the team perform optimaly.
US: our region is failing at e-sports what do we do?
Lets destroy other regions so they are forced to watch ours. BRILLIANT!
Its called money, regard.
Brazil fans only care about brazilian teams and entertainment, losing 4 teams means losing 4 large group of fans.
I didn't know Riot was an American company. 👀
2012 sc2 vibes
@@Mije101-bz8ph Yes.....yes it is.
They should just do away with franchising completely and take a page out of Dota 2 or Apex Legends' system where its truly a "fight-for-your-spot" system, introduce a pro-circuit where points = secure a spot in Worlds. Anyone, any team playing from their mother's basements can compete on the top of the scene if they're good enough. Make it so that all the "top-tier professionals" need to always perform or they lose their spot to no-names, would make the game very entertaining to watch again.
Counter Strike does the same and the scene is huge, very profitable and has teams from all major globe regions... franchising on the scale of a dozen or less teams just breed subpar performance and bloated expenses and is bound to leave talent away from competing.
If you want to franchise, you need a lot more teams to create a environment that allows some level of competence to emerge.
All that guarantees is CBLOL and whatever LLA teams they get WILL get constantly shitcanned by whoever's left of the LCS by the regional finals, losing out a Brazilian representative 💀💀
Since idk any other riot devs except Phreak, I’m just gonna blame Phreak for this
Riot tryndamere
This has nothing to do with the devs honestly, this is all on the corpos
@@seth12786 It was a joke
@@seth12786 you got any name for corpos?
@@seth12786 I would say that the integration of fearless draft says that the esports branch has lost all hope that the balance and development(I mean as new broken champs) teams will ever do their job properly
Yep, franchising for a volatile MOBA game is a disaster. Dota has existed for a very long time without franchising and I could say that they have a more exciting format. Just some random teams taking a chance at glory. Not this LCS where the same teams compete and the talent pool is not expanding.
I would love to have something as good as the compendium is for dota. But i'm pretty sure riot would just make a half ass season pass, that's kinda meh.
May I ask how does esports franchising works again?
@@alyasVictorio basically, you buy your spot at the tournament, and there's a limited number of spots
So, you can't create a team to try to compete, if you're not one of the few teams that were allowed to buy a spot
Ruining other leagues for what? I am going to actively root against LCS internationally now.
Cmon its not the teams fault😂
How are you going to do that if the league will cease to exist starting next year? LoL
@@faker3033 it actually is the LCS teams constantly force their will uppon the other leagues mostly bcs they envy that others have more fans then they do. So they make up alot of rules that only favor their side.
Riot introducing what's basically DSR in Smash terms into LoL Esports was not in my "2024 Gaming Bingo" card
So glad on how theScore team always do their research! This is probably the first non-brazillian platform that cared AT ALL to at least shine some light into the reasons why CBLOL audience was so frustrated and truly presents a neutral multiperspective of the announcement, while others such as LS only care to patronize people, hardstuck on their tunnel vision on "how amazing" the merge is for his own region and audience since, yeah, LCS teams competing against BR parties with CBLOL crowd hype is one hell of a boost for his own content, but do we as a region care at all for LCS players and teams AT THE EXPENSE of axing 40% of our competitive scene, with teams, players and local rivalry history that we DO care about? Ah yeah, sure sounds fantastic cutting off a limb so someone else can use it as crutch!
Very well said
i like the new change in champion playability but merging regions is ass.
It's good. Maybe LCS teams can learn some new tricks 😂
Merging it just means that only one team from that one region will be able to compete just like what happened in APAC. We don't have representatives from other countries.
I think the top 3 or 4 should be able to compete in international tournaments.
@@eryalmario5299 lol valorant does it and it's working
It's good. Look at valorant. They get this idea from valorant. The regional games are more competitive and it is more exciting to watch because of the region merge in val.
@tonilaseng4620 yes but that's because valorant was available to all of the americas at the same time. League in the us had a much farther head start than in the lesser regions. If you are na and play in lan or the lesser regions you'll notice a significant skill gap in each one. It was far easier to reach a higher tear in the latin american countries. At the end of the day I can't do anything about this. I can only voice my opinion and leave it at that.
If were just merging leagues for bigger veiwers lets merge LPL and LCK. That way LCK fans will start watching the LPL teams its a win win. Any arguement against this merger can be used against the cblol and lcs merger.
The point is quality. So we're gonna watch LPL/LCK every worlds finals? What's the point other regions exists? xdd
@@JellyBitz then what's the point of merging 3 bad regions? LMAO merge LCK with CBLOL and LPL with LCS
"Boohoo they are too far away"
So don't merge anyone and let LCS die. This shit will NOT improve LCS, LLA, CBLOL skill.
Not sure how the LCS has survived this long, its been at least 5 straight years where no one watches the LCS and knows the result immediately for NA in Worlds, which is a group stage instant out
Kind asimilar to the polish national team in soccer
Didnt NRG beat G2 last year for quarterfinals?
you saying everyone knew NA would beat EU?
Give me back my League! CBLOL did its bit. We created our own thing, we created our own fandoms, we made our own names, we have our own legends, we forged our own rivalries. While so many other leagues in the world were dying, we were thriving, we were stable. We did everything Riot said they wanted us to do; we were the model case of everything Riot said it wanted-a self-contained, "self-sufficient" league. And what is our reward? To see four of our teams get killed, to see our entire academy (which fucking works!) also die! In 12 years of existence, CBLOL had nine different teams that have won the championship! They said they would pick only six teams to go to the new conference. There are five teams that play today with three or more championships. Are we supposed to just give up our history? To just let a multi-championship-winning org die? For what? To help a bunch of spoiled rich fucks who don't know what competition is even if it smacked them in the face? All of this is just sad and unfair.
isnt CBCLOL "best team ever" just lose to a GAM with 2 sup player(one of which is a adc who have a 0-18 record?)
@@thehentairevenant2309 who tf cares? How is this related to his comment?
@@thehentairevenant2309 even if CBLOL didn't have a play in spot it would still be self suficient, with a steady viewership, what even is your point?
@@carlosmarques3714 isn OCE server got merged because the player is just so bad it not worth giving them a serperate sv, CBCLOL has been dogshit in pro play for years, this is expected TBH
@@carltonblend my point is it not worth giving them 1 slot in MSI or world, they re dogshit.OCE has gone through the same treatment before, cope
Not even upset honestly the West has been so terible for over a decade.
Correction, LCS has. LEC has been pretty darn close a few times unlike LCS.
@@marcusjohansson668 When is the last time LEC competed at an international finals? Literally close to a decade now, LEC is just as trash as LCS.
@@Russiandude2125 years is close to a decade for u huh?
@@Russiandude212you know nothing man; this year MSI LEC was in semis, 2020 G2 was in Semifinals at Worlds. Before Covid LEC was pretty much always a top contender. LEC was in Worlds Finals twice in a row (2018,2019), G2 won MSI 2019 and even the LCS was in the MSI finals in 2019. 2018 MSI Fnatic was in Semifinals and in FINALS at Worlds. 2017 MSI G2 was in Finals. Only just recently LEC missed out on Semis, but LEC/LCS still got in the top 8. And judging by the last Worlds, G2 played impressive against T1 and Top Esports, beating TOP and playing on the same level as T1 in their first round.
@@Russiandude212 LEC beat LCK/LPL a bunch of times in recent years.
"NA should be minor region" meme got real😂😂
Never really watched CBLOL due to the time zones but always loved when they arrived at the worlds. The energy was and is insane. I can't imagine the local impact it had. It would be absolutely a shame to mow down to try to increase the viewership in NA. The LCS can be reformed without sacrificing other leagues.
My biggest gripe here is cutting down to 6 teams from lcs/cblol. They could've only cut two cblol teams, kept all 8 lcs teams, kept every other change the same and had 20 teams total instead of 16.
instead of balancing the champions .. they force the teams not to pick the same champions?
I'll be honest, it's actually really cool in the community HotS tournaments. Best characters can show why they're great, then later in a series you can see some really cool comps too. And rewards players for having a pool of good characters.
Isn't great for quick play tho.
The day has come family, let us embrace the final split of LCS
I guess Riot got their namesake off of this debacle.
Between the $500 "tribute" to Faker, the scandals and all the "questionable" changes lately, I dare say that it's just right that people would *_riot_*
Brazilian here, and the biggest point for us is 4 teams being cut, it’s really tragic when during years you create a fan base and team culture and then you get to know that in 6 months 40% of that is being thrown away
I called that franchising was going to kill the LCS when it got announced. Everyone fell for the shilling of all the pro teams that would benefit from franchising
Soooo, league is no longer a sport? Because a SPORT would not hinder the PLAYING of said sport by forbidding the players to PLAY THE GAME completely.
League is no longer an e-sport, it is 100% moneygrab entertainment, and the players are expected to be participants (actors).
Kinda what happens if MONEY is all that matter and the love for the SPORT means nothing.
Remember the Bully Reggie? The bully that said TSM is going to _reading notes_ "start a team in Korea instead".
THAT is the kind of people RIOT has pampered, bullys and greedy tr*sh.
SO SAD for SA to have to be included in that sh*t region!
SA was actually entertaining to watch compared to the joke that was/is LCS.
Esports never gonna be Sports
@@s4juno693 Ok boomer...
So instead of fixing their game design to allow more than a handful of champs in reach role to be viable at a time, they instead just force teams to use more champs?
Peak riot games right there lmao
I love the LS's "it shows that Riot cares", yes, they care. But not about the game itself, they care about the profit they still can squize out of it in it's current state. They prevent this domino effect not for players sake, for profit sake.
if riot doesnt do this, more orgs will fail and thus the esport will. esports are not sustainable at all currently and majority of teams are losing money. reducing overall teams increases revenue sharing with said teams meaning they can actually survive
@@tingasthefriendlyfish2902 NA will fail, NA team will fail, brazil wont, china wont, korea wont
Speaking out of your ass. How do you know which leagues are self sustainable? Spoiler: none of them are, Riot admitted to this, since vasically the esport is just a massive PR campaign for them
@@felixpuscasu5625 thats why i said they're not sustainable at all... but they need to do things to change that
@@tingasthefriendlyfish2902 but markz made a lot good changes. B4 we see the effects of those, they ruined another league. Roit just wants to cash out b4 lcs dies at this point. They don't care people are trying to save it.
This is dumb in many ways. LCS isn't a self-sustainable league, and merging it with a self-sustainable league won't solve that, it will buy them a few years at best while dragging CBLoL along with them when bankruptcy day comes.
cblol is not self sustainable. Maybe is a bit better regards money than LCS but it was going to break in 3/4 years, every team owner spoke about it. This is Riot's way of keep a healthy 6/7 years for esports... (but it is badly done anyway)
Lets not pretend that this wasnt always gonna happen. Riot has been looking to downsize for years.
I don't know who got the brilliant idea to cut teams from LCS and CBLOL and expect a positive feedback from the fans a league with 20 teams even if the NA and SA matches were online and not presential would bring the viewers together but this format they came up with? this is awful!
As a NA resident, NA teams suck. I do not even care for any of the NA teams. My last big care was for 100T, which has sense left me and I have moved on to caring more for LEC teams and LCK/LPL competition because it’s actually enjoyable to watch. Just scrap us. Riots been trying to keeps LCS alive for years and we’ve gone nowhere. Closest we’ve gotten was NRGs performance last year which I admit impressed me, but I don’t see LCS winning Worlds in the next 50 years even if League ESports persists that long, given the current performance state.
Let's not forget the NA pros wanted the academy scene that no one cares about
I mean, the LCS has been performing better over the last year with NRG getting further than G2 and TL beating FNC. On the other side, Brazil has been weak for years.
@@PRWPanda NA 1st seed beat a trolling EU 2nd seed. NA 2nd seed got sent home by PCS before the tournament even started. And regarding NRG, they finished top 8 and you are still hanging onto it like some sort of significant achievement. Celebrating top 8 finishes is exactly the sort of minor region mentality that cost you a World's spot. Demand more than mediocrity, or hold the L and accept you belong in the same tier as CBLoL.
@@paterpillar8533 this is true. I will say the NA community is stronger than anything.
@@PRWPanda True, I did mention I was impressed with NRGs performance.
While LCS and CBLOL are the focal points I'm actually a little curious about whether that means OPL will see any Riot investment again. It was a scene that was just starting to get its feet even managing to get a spot on the main stage games of MSI 2021. But Riot just completely pulled funding an involvement and told us that we could be counted as non-imports in the LCS because travelling across the world is totally viable...
If you look at the Valorant structure, that seems to be what they are trying to copy. So probably not, considering Val has 4 Leagues (Americas, EU, Pacific, and China) that’s probably what they’re trying to set up in the LCS. It’s incredibly stupid. No thought is put into the idea that CBLOL was not only bringing big viewer numbers but also filling live event seats too. So now what? Brazilian fans that want to watch their team live have to fly to fucking LOS ANGELES TO WATCH????? It’s so fucked
LCS is a Minor Region now - and Maybe they should bring back Promotion & Demotion games now
CBLOL é e foi gigante, não estamos nem aí se não vamos bem no mundial, a história, a diversão, a narrativa, as rivalidades, os videos de backstages, a paixão, os diversos tipos de conteudos que os criadores proporcionam, os memes, só quem viu esse ecossistema vai entender a grandiosidade
I actually feel bad for Brazil combining our shit region with theirs.
Remembering that Riot are starting to share more cash from skin sales with esports orgs and that Riot are starting to limit test their whales with $500 skin bundles gives you all the context you need for these changes.
Eu to otimista pra esse novo formato, mas triste pela saída dos times do CBLOL.
I think the big thing is what teams are we losing? The NA perspective has been this is a good thing but most people are assuming we're loosing like IMT and Shopify but I have a feeling that's not going to be the case. If we end up losing some good middle of the pack teams like we did last time we lost two teams I really question if the bottom can rise up to fill those shoes.
well as an Argentinian i think the big losers are the team from LLA but the last years it was a tournament that was already dying. For example KLG the team with more trophies from LAS disappear after bankrupt
Pretty much riot doesn’t care bout SA lmao they just didn’t do anything to improve it and decide to destroy both
I think lla was a bad decision to surge, like soo much Nice teams on Las with a history... Rainbow 7 infinity etc etc and they simply move the whole league to México Just because they dont want to allow the mexican teams to Join and try to take spots from lcs....
Fearless draft is basically Meta Madness tournaments in Heroes of the Storm
I think that what's most frustrating for a lot of people is that if CBLOL (and LLA, to a lesser extent) had the funding and attention that riot had given NA & the LCS, they would have performed so much better internationally. There are a ton of incredibly talented and hard working players in the Latin American regions that unfortunately just could never reach their peak due to the circumstances that they were born in, and now, they're being forced to commit to this "upgrade" where they'll have to play against and lose against players that are simply lazier and less talented, that will win because of better resources.
To be fair, who expected league of legends eSports to still be in existence anywhere in 2024?
All good things will come to an end
This is an awful decision for the cblol, theyre getting sacrificed to try and make up for the damage that franchisment did to the lcs.
It could be a good thing for some of the smaller se asian regions though.
One thing i've noted in the past few years is (and for an older league player like myself) the new champions in the last few years have insane toolkits and is a little hard to follow what's going on in team fights. We had much simpler champs, and more diverse champ pool in selection. Now it's the same ones day in day out. I'd love to see more local talent representing NA to actually cheer for. I get the need for top talent, but cheering for korea/china 2.0 isn't as fun to cheer for. TSM 2015
a centrally planned consumer entertainment product is not a great idea. riot is making arbitrary decisions surrounding the product rather than letting the market decide and this will be league esports' downfall in the long run. they need to liberalize it and let private companies organize tournaments instead. this will cut a lot of the bloat off. there IS demand for league esports but not necessarily in the format that riot presents. what i think would be best is: let riot run regional summer split and worlds (with msi format) and then work with private companies to fill up the gaps at the start and end of the year with whatever has high demand.
CBLOL dont need of the LCS
They don't give a shit ... they why are we bringing in Asian players instead of creating our own players ? NA is dead they left our ping at like 60+ ping while Asia is sitting at 10 ping while that stays a thing we will never be able to compete with the Korean teams anyhow ... I am glad NA LCS is getting its just deserts. Everyone told Riot why we didn't like what was going on and they simply ignored us.
They’ve heavily catered to the Asian teams since china bought riot. What other team would have gotten to play a major tournament from their game house? 😂
I got a lot of recommendations about this story but I waited for your video to watch it. You are my trusted source for esports news!
So every game is no longer going to be senna tahm kallista bot lane ?!?
Riot keeps making big changes because of viewership stagnation, but the majority of players who brought the fans here don’t play any more, you miss a split and half the players you loved are gone. It can be jarring. Now this is necessary in order for the scene to develop and grow, but growing pains is part of that. They gutted the broadcasts in Lcs and Lec to try and make it more fiscal, and they’ve maybe done irreparable damage..
fearless draft sounds like a coach's nightmare lol
More like players nighmares
Hopefully it succeeds in diversifying champ pools because if it does we should see some coaches who don't suck shit at drafting standing head and shoulders above the rest. Draft quality has been so terrible for so long.
Nah its crazy that LCS drags down other regions for their own good
Pro players will need to improve their games if they want to keep their job.
I foresee a lot of matchfixing ahead
NA dies because it is treated too much as a business, importing players constantly and not caring about the real problems of the scene and their solution is to do more of the same.
our region is a joke, leave south america alone.
1:26 - Now THIS will be good for LOL Esports .. I don't care about the teams but you can't always pick the same champ all over again in every freaking game .. Now we'll see how PRO, these players really are or NOT ~ 😎🍻
Copied from my post on The Dive's YT page.
For the guest spot topic I think the setup should be that there are 3 guest slots, but 1 slot opens up per year as needed (up to 3 max). Then the bottom two teams in LCS get relegated IF they are not a franchise team - so year 1 the guest has 2x chances to be relegated. If the guest team doesn't fall into the last 2 places, no team gets relegated and another guest spot opens up the next year. This pattern repeats until all 3 guest spots are filled. If all 3 are filled, the lowest ranked guest team will be relegated even if they didn't come into the bottom two and no guest slots are lost. If two guest teams out of 3 are in the bottom 2, both are relegated and 1 guest slot is loss. If two guest teams out of 2 are in the bottom 2, then both are kicked and 1 guest slot is lost. This is done to only ever allow 1 guest into LCS per year (up to a max of 3). Franchised teams will obviously never be relegated.
I think this way there is potential for teams to make it into the LCS and stay if they are good, and also guest teams can be removed and added more organically.
Then if a franchised team always makes bottom 2 when there are 3 guest teams they should be kicked from franchise or sell their spot.
Riot is weirdly obsessed with combining north and south america
Fearless draft should be the norm for pro play. All matches should be played with fearless draft
NO ONE WATCH LCS, SO LETS FISH CBLOL VIEWERS
Eu não reconheço a lcs como uma liga legítima 🤏
Imagine Shopify buying a team then being told they don’t have a team. In any event I’m sure they’ll expand back in a few years and sell those slots.
Another thing that comes to mind is conditioning. If you keep making the same move over and over again, people will start predicting it, counting on it, etc.
Riot keeps making terrible moves year after year, so of course no matter what they say will be met with negative feedback.
And they deserve all the negative feedback, and more.
Just have teams be relegated and replaced by promoted Tier 2 teams (like in soccer). Perform or suffer the consequences.
Things that killed the LCS
1. Franchising .
2. Removal of Relegation & Open Qualifiers for Challenger Series.
3. Putting politics into the LCS.
4. Naturalization and imports.
LCS was lit in the early years. It's a shame to see it slowly die out.
Does anyone else remember the good ol' promotion relegation days. Complexity black? Lmq? Anyone?
Let the lcs fail alone, don't drag us to their grave.
Fearless is the best thing to happen, I can finally watch other champions be played
Its insane how bad competetive scene is in league of legends compared to Dota or CS
Ningún latinoaméricano que mire la liga latinoamericana,se quejaría,esa liga ya estaba muerta.
franchise leagues are the death of esports, fearless is a good idea tho
TDLR: leagues in regions where players don’t pay any money to Riot are being fed to leagues in regions where players spend money.
Sadly we will be left with LPL vs LCK at world's, again.
Honestly, the fact T2 is competing for that single guest slot, that might actually make T2 the thing to watch cause the competition is gonna be fierce.
its important to note, cblol is only getting bigger in brazil, while lcs is dipping and dying very quickly, brazilians are very upset about the change, its no benefit for our league... cblol has been hitting records of views between both official riot live streams in brazil, and people like Baiano, who is allowed to transmit and comment games here in Brazil.
We give much more value to content instead of simply being good, which is an important factor to competitive games.
Brazil has managed to keep cblol sustainable because of this shift to content over extreme gameplay, while allowing players and teams to improve at their own pace.
Lcs in the other hand works a lot differently from cblol, i dont say this to be a hater, but lcs is simply not my cup of tea, its for the most part boring matches, its not entertaining to me, while in brazil, we have very important names interacting with the whole community and keeping the hype while providing content not focusing in only being the best player all the time, but the best entertainer.
Going from 10 teams to 8 now was a terrible decision. And now from 8-6 is even worse. I’d rather see longer regular seasons with BO3s and shorter end of season runs 6 teams is wack
I took the double hit of Vanguard on the client and CBLOL being gutted as a divine sign to uninstall LOL and stop watching it.
na hasn't had a dub in so long
We just beat Europe again
Faker v NA = Faker.
@@yeeticusfinch4377 keep celebrating top 6 finishes, that's the kind of minor region behaviour that lost you a World's spot and 2 teams.
This sucks for all the sides involved tbh, but it is what it is and I get why they decided to do this.
Bronzil absolutely sucks balls as a region and usually spreads their legs at every international events to literally everyone else, so they do not deserve ANY MSI/Worlds slots. I mean if Turkey got dissolved despite being miles better than Bronzil, then why are the Bronzillian fans expecting anything differently? You have done nothing to justify your spots, and your League do not earn enough money (like China) to justify the immense investment and privileges that Riot has offered you. Maybe you can submit a proposal to Riot to remove your region from international play COMPLETELY and let the CB LOL become sth akin to the Brood War StarLeague in Korea atm. Asking Riot to remove their support will be really easy, BUT I highly doubt the executives of the CB LOL is ever gonna agree to do that tbh. Isolationism is an absurd idea in the age of globalization, and Bronzil has gotta step up or get out (apparently the head executor at Riot is Bronzillian lmao and he has chosen this fate for your region).
LLA will die as it should be. The region is just not profitable at all and the game isn't growing there. I got nothing to say tbh it is like OCE if Riot has any decent people who spent time studying business in college, they WILL pull the plug pretty normal thing to do the region is bad and do not earn them money, then why should they bother helping these guys? Sucks for the LLA pros though but what on earth are you even expecting?
LCS will suffer the most as their entire region is based on international success. Literally the policy of NA has been buy your opponents to win and it has been so for a decade, so losing spots at MSI/worlds is quite painful for the region I reckon. Especially to a region like CB LOL who they have completely crushed for years and the timing couldn't be more awful tbh. NA has just taken games off SKT, destroyed EU and made it out of groups at worlds for the first time in YEARS and this is their rewards? I mean I know nothing about the LCS and how they operate BUT for a region basing their entire identity on winning and international success, having to "sacrifice" 2 spots for Bronzil is just really horrible and will the viewership boost even worth the shits they have to go through, having needed to spend time massacring shit Bronzil teams every single split to "earn" their already well-deserved spots at worlds? Nahhh I don't think they would want that tbh.
The merger is devastating for all people involved, but I guess it just has to be done. LCS needs more views, CB LOL needs justification and LLA needs to... survive. Massive L to everyone though none got what they wanted but all had to sacrifice sth they desire to keep the "Americas" alive. It is what it is I guess I do hope Bronzil fans show up and protest at Riot HQ though because if there is a very small chance the merger could be canceled... Just go for it. NA fans prolly wont do shits because there are so few fans left of the League that will prolly fk off after the merger too so Riot would never take them seriously, but hey atleast they aint as dead as the LLA is rn (heh).
I'm from North America, and hearing this. Good. I honestly don't care for LCS anymore. I only follow other regions now. Didn't care for LCS since god knows forever, its been a while since the golden days of CLG, TSM and etc. Anyway....what else is new...for LCS now... lol.
If you are having to reduce the number of teams to keep your sport going its definitely not a good sign. NFL NBA NHL MLB have only ever added teams just for comparison of successful sports
I'm not sold on these Lolesports changes. If the goal was to encourage more regional growth then this seems counterintuitive, as not only does it mean even less options for players and staff then there are already but even newly promoted teams will still just use mostly imports. Also correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the point of splitting APAC into its own separate regions supposed to help grow their respective countries league scenes? If so then why merge them again? As for this extra international event it seems nice in theory, but in practice who knows?
Finally I find the flaming & insulting going back & forth between LCS & CBLOL fans completely unacceptable and unhelpful. Many on both sides are unhappy right now, & while constructive criticism is fine, this is not. Let's all just try to calm down people.
Im fine with any lol esports changes, as long as they dont decrease competition in lck/lpl
Getting rid of more teams did the opposite of what riot wanted why would you ever risk your team franchise on a team like oldschool cloud nine when you can have a bunch of veterans and overseas talent they made things more bloated and stagnant because now there's even less people take spots
Haven't even watched it yet, but all I can say is thank GOD. Pro gaming is a cool new thing, but the toxicity and arrogance the players show is sickening. Ruined the whole concept for me in NA.
Aight, just finished watching it and not "thank god"... I'm glad to see the most arrogant region fail, but not at others' expense
Makes sense outside of paying players and small orgs there's is no money going into professional league in NA at all. Nothing to raise future players, nothing to get a staff group together and zero incentive for anyone to invest or sponsor anyone other then our what 50ish some odd pro players? there's nothing at the start to becoming a pro and most stop in the middle cause match fixing, selling accounts, gambling and streaming are the only ways to make money to live off of and still be able to practice as much as you need to. EU is much the same but it's slowly changing there more money is a slowly being invested i was really hoping G2 would win MSI cause that slowly would pick up it's pace if they did.
I understand why they did this, as Valorant has an Americas VCT that includes LOUD (Brazil), Leviatán (Argentina), KRÜ (Argentina), mibr (Brazil), and FURIA (Brazil) along with six North American teams (100 thieves, C9, Evil Geniuses, G2, Sentinels, and NRG), but the difference is that the VCT started that way and Valorant is still growing. They just branched off to separate China's league from EMEA and VCT Pacific recently became its own region. I think instead of combining smaller leagues, they should be focusing on growing the ones they already have with fresh new uprising talent. Just this year the G2 Valorant team (formally The Guard before they were bought), rose from tier two to tier one and made it deep into the Valorant version of MSI. They were in the challenger scene last year and beat out all the franchise teams to make it to Champions Shanghai.
tbh I think it will take a very long time and a lot of hard work for it to become anything like VCT Americas. Especially since they already tried this by dismantling the OPL (long live the LCO, it's replacement) and cannibalizing it's players into the NA challenger teams.
Why does this feel like the VCT model?
When LLA picked teemo against RNG in Worlds 2022, I knew that LLA was doomed.
Truth is last ranked lck team will crush NAs best team
The best thing about all of this is that riot completely need to blame theirselves.
The level of corporate greed displayed over a century is hilarious, if there weren’t as many players (heavily) addicted to the game, this would have happened way earlier. League had so many ways to stabilise itself and create a nieche of its own, but all Riot cared about was cash. You could clearly see how their love for the game was dying more and more by the years and yet they somehow thought their own decline would not reflect into player engagement etc.
I have not played a league game in 3 years after playing around 18.000 in the 9-10 years prior and all I can say is: my life changed for the better.
I guess Riot is doing this because they saw that minor regions cant become as strong as major regions so they are merging them into bigger regions in hopes of them getting better by playing vs stronger opponents. Its kinda okay, but I think it would be better if leagues had more teams. How can China has 17 teams without problems while others have 10 at max?
Riot pulls funding from OPL (Oceania Pro League), ESL takes over with the introduction of LCO and now riot is trying to bin the league again...
CBLOL saved LCS. Thank us later
Franchise kills sport ! NA is a tiers 3 region, BR gonna smash them
The PCS is already doing something similar and I think it worked fairly well.