How the Caste System Is Stopping India’s Take-off
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India is already by far the most populous country on the planet. According to the United Nations, more than 1.425 billion people live in India today, a figure that is expected to grow to almost 1.7 billion by the middle of the century.
India now aspires to become a political and economic superpower. However, the country still has many problems. Among them, one of the most rigid social stratification systems in the world: the Castes. A system that the government has been pursuing for decades, but which, nevertheless, still survives. In this video we tell you all the details.
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Nobody who has undeserved political or economic power wants to give it up.
I wonder how they will challenge such loss of privilege to wealth and power. That's not a thing that people give up nicely.
Political power, in practice, is never deserved. It's always something that is conned out of the people.
@@N0Xa880iUL not in an ideal democracy
Tay! You are a TH-cam legend!
@@REDnBLACKnREDno democracy is ideal
It is easier to change laws, much harder to change how people think.
Firstly Hindus caste is based on abilities work not on thire birth... Like priest or teacher, warrior & worker. Britisher exploite it u all are fooled by Western propoganda... If u have time than search caste system debunk
How people think and ACT ... Thinking would not ve so dangerous, but acting according is still life treatening in India.
Its just a shame for the country.
it's very common here in india, i belong from lower caste community. It's very common to listen casteist slur against my cast, if i piss of someone from upper caste, he will try his best to degrade me by casteist slur
what a sadlife u might have gone through. im a brahmin but i never saw my parents do this discrimination with anyone, hence i also am alien to how this caste system works. i only know abt caste system shown in social media and movies. im also genz 17 yrs old maybe another reason of not knowing such things. never in my life i ever saw castism in any of my school frnds nor in the neighbour hood i live. im happy my bloodline being a brahmin will not be practicing such type of ideology anymore. i pray for u to get ppl like me who do not practice such castism instead of the people that ur meeting now.. i request u to not pass on this ideology to ur childrenl. as u said ur from other caste. just tell ur children that theres no castism only some ppl were poor some were rich by this will be united by religion as now the division of ppl is by money not by religion makiing ppl united and brotherhood unlike the current situation where a dalit feels more brotherhood to chrsitians muslims than hindus... this is something we have to change.
hence put the division based on money. by this all others casts will atleast be united with all other ppl and will feel more united... hope ur understanding what im trying to say.... this mentality shud prevail in rural india where 70% population lives. otherwise ppl like and ppl like that upper caste fellow u mentioned will always fight each other destroying india just like how india was divided when british came. jai hind brother/sister.
There's something ironic about considering yourself 'educated' and favouring 'caste'.
Back when I was doing my internship in California, my supervisor who was a white, 40 year old 🇺🇸 American woman was married to this 40+ year old 🇮🇳 Indian man who was born a Dalit, his family emigrated to the 🇺🇸 US as a teenager and became relatively well off/upper middle class after moving to the States.
She told us a story of how years ago, when they (back when they were around 30 years old) traveled to India to visit his hometown and family, a lot of those upper caste people were shocked and a bit frustrated seeing a Dalit being well off and married to a white/American woman.
They married each other out of love but the other non-Dalits couldn't understand how a Dalit could end up rich (at least by Indian standards) and married to a white woman, with many of those higher caste people going up to her and demanding to know why she was married to a Dalit or asking if she knew that her husband was a Dalit (which she reply that she does know that but that it's not something that mattered to her).
One thing that always confuses me is how do they know what caste someone belongs to? Can't someone just lie and tell others that they belong to higher a caste?
@artemiusz69 My guess is that it'd be subtle nuances such as their family names, who they hang around with, who their family are and what neighbourhoods do they live in that would be the give away.
because most Dalits in India have gotten up the ladder with the help of reservations and most likely do not last outside of India.
@@trekkienzl2862 Was she a Christian? Most Americans, myself included, are Christian so if he's by chance a Nasrani Indian, that would make sense. I used to work with a Nasrani Dalit from Kerala who's rich as well. They seem to thrive in Christian majority nations.
"Judge not by the appearance but judge righteous judgement."
- John 7:24
"I am black and beautiful."
- Song of Solomon 1:5
@artemiusz69 usually its the last name...however looks can be a factor too in some cases...caste influences one's culture, traditions, food, attire and everything....its just like the way one can differentiate between different white groups..irish-american, jewish-american, italian-americans.
The caste system makes no sense of an industrializing society. If India wants to reach its full potential, they'll have to make social mobility easier. Also, it's a shame that someone's humanity can be rejected due to the social group they were born in.
Whats even more shamefull is someones merit can be disregarded if he is of upper caste
Well, it isn't endemic to India. Considering what the US is going through, I can say that it would still linger among Indians even when the country is industrialized.
The caste system makes no sense in any time or place.
@@Abhisekhdutta Lol how's that more shameful? Upper castes had divine reservation coded in Manusmriti for many centuries..if you're still poor its because your grandparents were sleeping when others were working..Dont blame the reservation system for that
@@suppa585 you can’t be treated equally if you are priviledged
0:29: 🌍 On April 24, 2023, India officially became the most populous country in the world, surpassing China according to the United Nations.
3:38: 📚 The ancient social organization in Hinduism is based on dividing people into castes, which are hereditary and determine their roles and status in society.
7:24: 📜 The Indian government has attempted to dismantle the rigid social stratification through various laws and policies, with the Mandal Commission report sparking a heated debate.
10:45: 🔹 The caste system in India still exists and has a significant impact on society today, with lower castes and scheduled tribes facing discrimination and disadvantage.
14:01: 📚 India's high number of educated population is a positive factor for development, but the caste system limits access to education for many talented individuals.
Recap by Tammy AI
Caste system will never die as this system is beneficial for the rulers above us, I can guarantee that even a dalit politician who has come up on caste politics doesn't want this to happen. I come from small village in Bengaluru I have seen my city change from a small sleepy town to a metropolis but i have seen my people go back 10 yrs on caste related in these years. My MLA thrives on his dalit identity just for getting votes from majority dalit population but i have not seen any development in the community in terms of education or social welfare, He just calls on the name of Ambedkar and gets the votes and the people in need get the boots!!
It's interesting you bring up Ambedkar. Ambedkar died after converting to Buddhism. But Buddhism is as anti-dalit and anti-black as Hinduism:
"Reincarnated Buddhas will never be black."
- Lotus Sutra, Rejoicing in Merit & Virtue 18
@@MiguelDLewistake your sky daddy book somewhere else and thump it 😂
@@Pike737 The Lotus Sutra is Buddhist. I am not a Buddhist. Learn how to read.
@@MiguelDLewis lol Buddhist don't believe in sky daddy lmao, only christians keep crying about him 😂
@@Pike737 Buddhists sure do believe in racism, anti-blackness, and the caste system though.
Some people have low self esteem. They use those caste system to feel better. This caste system is so backward
😢 casteism (untouchability )and caste system is still a reality of India , caste proud is very common in Hindus .you can see it at every spectra of life , and some upper caste Hindus defend it by giving the argument of reservation
Reservation is for lower or upper caste?
Without removing reservations, cast cannot be removed. In order to get reservations, your so called "oppressed cast" people make cast certificates and get every kind of benefits and freebies ,right?
@@pritsingh9766 these lower caste freebies people's are the only one who doing one of hardest job's for your society , whether it's about manual scebenging without any equipment, cleaning shits , removing dead animals , cleaning your surrounding and many more. try to know the reality don't just believe what your parents taught you
If you're not a hindu or lower caste they treat you as not human ....... Heard it from someone that migrate to malaysia
@@pritsingh9766lindu, people in villages don't even know they have reservation rights
I am Indian and I had no idea about what the caste system even was, but my mother often discriminated against people i now understand it was based on cast I mean, this one guy who I won't get into lived abroad, and yet my mother discriminated that one guy being on a lower cast despite being more modern and wealthy. Lucky me, I never adopted this ideology.
Interesting that it wasn't passed along to you. But a good sign.
Hinduism is general is a bad ideology to adopt.
@@recoil53 I was raised in a foreign country since birth rarely ever visited India and my parents wanted me to have a free upbringing so I am only Indian by passport. My parents were thought that way of thinking in India but they didn't pass that on to me.
@@adityatiwari9789 It looks like your parents adjusted well outside of India.
Where I am in the US, many higher caste Indians look down on those they see as less than them.
My parents have doctorates and I have a couple degrees, so I never had to be on the other end of it. But Brahmin doctors do not get along well with nurses and staff.
How do they know what caste each person is from?
Indian born Australian here. Never hand to deal with the caste issue myself. However heard some terrible stories. Including highly skilled and educated Indian migrants who would refuse to have lunch or talk to someone who had a background of being from a Dalit caste
Let the racism start there in next 2-3 years
How do you know the caste of a person? By the lastnames?
@@dadanifitthat's one of the ways you can know, but in general in India a person's identity is incomplete without caste. Two Indians meet sooner or later they will ask eachother's caste.
@@elhombredeoro955 Im an indian who's lived in India for 40 years - never been asked my caste.
But I do recognise that there are some people who are discriminated purely based on caste.
@@dadanifitguessing caste by surname is easy if you live in the same state as theirs and speak the same language, like for Marathis if you can ask them if they are buddhist and they say yes, you can say that they are SC.
Caste system is abolished in the eyes of law only in the paper. But in reality it is still exists today in every sphere of life.
This problem of caste discrimination extends into foreign countries like the US. We had cases filed in the US for discrimination between Indians of different castes in the workplace.
Yes this! People do not realize with so much Indian immigration, this caste system issue is coming over. I’ve known people from India from the upper castes that treat everyone as beneath them, Indian or not, and they are trying to spread this arbitrary system here. We already have enough issues, and we need to stomp this out.
Please read the CISCO case. Then comment.
It has been pulled out because they are fake
They never talk of the case verdict do they! Doesn't suit their narrative.
*Seattle is the first state to introduce a law against caste discrimination*
India has loads of problem. caste system, religious intolerance and economic disparity are some of the major obstacles. A large population in the age of automation isn't really a good thing for any nation.
It is good for cheap labor that fundamentally fuels all nations that thrives with automation. In addition, where do you think garbage goes to? First world countries can't thrive without a large population willing to suffer to lower wages.
A large population if used well can propel the country into the ranks of OECD unfortunately the ruling elite has little to no vision rn of making that happen, we have the largest youth population in the world and yet we struggle with unemployment, India needs to power up its export game, develop a monolithic education model, provide free and universal healthcare, maintain a strong rule of law, promote separation of power amongst its democratic pillars etc.
We have one of the lowest social mobility in the world as well as one of the lowest GDP per capita
@@visheshrao5629 If I understand correctly, even when everybody is above board and trying to make things happen, it's difficult for foreign investors to build a factory because of the maze on national and local laws. That makes exports harder.
And if I read correctly, fear of corruption is high enough that local business owners hire unqualified relative instead of the best workers because they somehow believe a relative won't steal from them. So businesses are often inefficiently run.
The caste system artificially restricts the talent pool.
you still need a consumer market, if it isn't as rich as the US then just by being much larger you will do better than them.
😂What automation? If what you say was even 1% true then all the factories wouldn't have moved to China!
And as to the spread of automation - how many T-shirts do you think are made automatically? Or shoes? Or buildings built? Or roads repaired? Or sewers cleaned? Or minerals mined?
So called "advanced" countries still depend on the cobalt dug by human hands in an Open Pit mine in the Congo to build EV batteries for self driving cars!
Every country wants MORE humans - because more humans means more labor, more consumers and more competition .
My fellow Indians who are commenting that this is an issue from Govt side, I just want to ask them where are they living. Cast system is ingrained in our social system, in people minds and hearts....although many very few % of boomeers and little bit more % of millenials are against of the cast system, but till now high % Gen Z people of India also follow this cast system...education, class and status doesn't matter for the people who don't want to progress in this perticuler case...we can't irradicate this system if people don't want to work on ending it....because of laws many changes happened, but if still large % of Gen Z are still following this syatem then it will take long long time to end this....this is and will impact our Nation's development....we need to work on ending this for our good only
If govt wants to See all religions and caste people equally india would have become Singapore. After independence There were no laws and efforts to abolish castesim and communalism
It makes such zero sense, it actually doesn't exist.
Don't forget how most Indians still marry within their caste, regardless of educational or professional success. I have seen so many "anti caste" people who would date across castes during school and college but end up running back to their parents to find a "suitable match" for marriage within the same caste.
Its exist but everyone is stuck because those who are dalits they want to use the dalit card like color card in usa while those are higher cast they use it as something that makes them superior out of nothing like white nationalist in usa who say that they civilized those black savages.
While Ambedkar is the Martin Luther King of india who is respected by both sides but mostly used as a political pawn for both sides
Very good understanding @@okman9684 Now that both the Oppressed class and "descendants of the Oppressors" class have some kind of unfair advantages over the other at the present time, now would be a good time for both the sides to acknowledge their respective privileges and work towards a better society by agreeing to reduce their own privileges by maybe 50% (for a start) and meeting each other down in the middle of this hierarchy system in order to get a better understanding of each other and to create some social harmony in the nation. Just my two cents.
Hating the other group in today's time and age just because of inability to find a viable solution respected by both groups is just dumb in my opinion.
There is some behavior by high caste Indians who come to America that the locals consider incredibly bizarre. For instance, there was one living in filth because she felt that a high caste person couldn't take out the garbage. Others won't replace light bulbs because that is a low caste job. However, after a while, these people usually adjust to the local customs.
My parents are a doctor and PhD respectively, working in hospitals. Those with lesser titles/education did NOT like working with the Indian (Brahmin) doctors. They talked down to the nurses and staff even worse than the average doctor.
As a child of two people with doctorates, I didn't have to experience that. As an American I have no issue putting somebody in their place.
Sanatan Dharma is silly. 🤣🤣🤣
@@recoil53oh yeah. The upper caste Indians I’ve met definitely don’t seem to adjust well and be friendly to people they feel are beneath them. They can act quite horridly and I feel bad because especially at Uni I never knew what to say. I was shy and didn’t know how to approach the issue. I’m a bit better now but geez they can be quite terrible. Even people from the mid castes I’ve seen act up.
I don't understand! Changing a light bulb isnt a low caste job. When the caste system was created light bulbs weren't invented.
Higher caste people in india take out their trash or change a light bulb themselves. I've never seen anyone in india saying otherwise.
But Higher caste people won't clean public sewers cause of the superiority complex sure
@@angelinimartinithis reality of "even the mid castes act up" is really reason behind its endurance. Its not a two class (high and low) system. Its a graded inequality which is like a long ladder. People in each rung want to climb upwards, but cant accept their immediate lower one being equal to themselves. If two layers decide to play fair and the rest don't, the higher of the two will be at disadvantage. So no one want to be fair to their lower groups.
No country needs to sabotage india because she does it fantasically well to herself.
Casteism varies from region to region, in some Indian states casteism is low, and in some casteism is high, much alike how race is prevalent in southern US more than it is the Northern states. Generally there's a group of people in India constituting to 20% of the population, who barely survive, their children go to school for a meal, and drop out from school before 14, not because of money, but for need of work, destroying the talent prior fruition. If you look closely you'll find casteism is associated with poverty, and historically most of the untouchables were exempt from the society, implying that these people were once in power and then subjugated and reduced to such state by the ones who came after and became kings. Example of this is the Nandas who had an empire but were vanquished by the Mauryas and every source you find calls them 'low born'. How can an emperor be low born?
I believe what you are saying is right. The degree of caste system practice, like racism in the US, depends on the location. Some areas are better at dealing with it than other areas. I also think it takes time for a civilization to reduce it's discrimination practice since it has been enshrined for a long time. But don't give up, keep going. The fight against racism in the US - where I live - is a long history, but generally it has made progress in society. Individuals still practice racism, but in the government and in laws there have been improvement.
@@gimei-chanare Dinasaur Kshatriya too???
@@DalitShiv_Nagwanshi What's a "Dinasaur"? Can you not spell correctly or are you referring to something else?
@@DalitShiv_Nagwanshi They always expose them self like this guy he want to be khsatriya 😂😂
The solution to the caste system was given by Dr. Ambedkar nearly a century ago, that it must come trough education, agitation, and organization, or simply put active political participation.
(Yeah-look what “active political participation” in India got you : A Hindu Nationalist-who weaponized religion)….Since independence, there has never been an Indian leader that has been so religiously divisive as Modi….He is a blight on India’s greatness-and progress….. (I’m bracing for the venom from his followers that always follows ANY criticism of their Demi-god)…
I fail to understand how Dalit political mobilisation gave rise to Modi. Not everything has to loop back to him.
Also, I'd usually be the last person to defend the guy, but there are reasons behind his popularity that go beyond Hindu majoritarianism. He has utilized his party's domination in Parliament to push forward numerous reforms, which do include anti-Muslim elements but also welfare-oriented and rural-centric development projects. A villager who now has a running water connection and a toilet near his home for the women in his family is likely to ignore the repression of Muslims and vote for Modi, but that doesn't make him a Hindu Nationalist.
@@Shineon83wrong. The oppressed castes emancipation led to many parties rising which catered to the demands of lower castes. Modi rose due to Hindu consolidation. Dalits are usually against hindu nationalist. Correct your damn information
Do you mean that the rise of dalits enabled the rise of Modi?@@Shineon83
Ambedkar is the reason for castism , he made caste system legalized instead of banning it .
There were many who have actively campaigned for the elimination of caste system, Unfortunately Caste is the bread and butter of many political dynasties who have caste based vote banks and "Social" organizations, if it is eliminated these people will be jobless and hence they will always fight for the caste system rather than against it by packaging it as a fight for "their " caste.
If they will always fight for the Hindu caste system, they will always be controlled by and dependent on Christian nations.
One of the formulas proposed for reducing the damage from the caste system, has been the increasing adoption of various foreign religions that have a much better track record for solidarity. Unfortunately by far the largest of these has been the religion introduced by the Mogul empires, which has serious disadvantages in terms of violence and broader societal divisiveness. Under resurgent Hindu Nationalist ideology, unfortunately all the foreign religions along with many other groups trying to improve life, are tarred with the same brush and similarly harassed.
@@AsusMemopad-us5lk Caste system exists in Islam as well in south Asia, read up a little, it's a cultural aspect, and is vaguely related to religion, BTW one of the aspects of the ideology of these resurgent Hindu nationalists is to eliminate the caste system.
@@AsusMemopad-us5lk lmao, this is just foreigner delusion.
My brother used to be an undertaker. He said that he hated working for Indian immigrants because they thought he was an untouchable.
Up until the industrial revolution , undertakers , sanitation workers , barbers etc were pretty much outcastes in Europe as well. Make Google your friend.
@@ic9771Barbers? Why them? Hair isn't dirty.
@@eitkoml no clue. Merely reporting what I've read. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that barbers also doubled up as surgeons. You can add butchers & tanners to that list too.
@@eitkoml What ever makes you think hair is clean?
Also barbers did surgeries on the side as part of their profession. All medical workers cannot be touched either.
@@Shankar-Bhaskar Source of Untouchablility in Europe? Or just Outside india?
Caste system is an integral and important part of Hinduism.
America should allow all Dalits of India who can past a college entrance exam to immigrate live and work in America. We could take in at least 30 million over the next 10 years. If India don't want them we should take them.
Ah, yes, the America that poisons it's own people with trains full of chemicals is going to help others.
What a joke. Know your place.
The fact that most Indians I know advocate for the re-establishment of the cast system it's quite strange ....
You know nothing, Jon Snow!
You probably never even heard of Hindutva. They want India to become a pure Hindu state and want to kick out the Muslims, This is the ideology of PM Modi
The correct term is "native american" not "indian". dont be a racist.
Typical Brahmin noises
@@wanrazul Native Americans live in the America. The people who live in India are called Indians. This is talking about the people who live in India, not America.
I've been in I.T. since 1999 (Y2K) and I can only speak to what I have personally experienced. As an "African-American" male I know that if I go to an interview with an Indian male in some form of power role, I will not get that job. I assumed it was maybe caste related, that by being black was even below their caste system but I also factored into consideration that most people are tribal when it comes to accepting people into their groups and whatnot. Even among white people I have a pretty good track record for getting a job, mostly by mentioning that I was veteran of the Gulf war. When I learned of the caste system I would ask an Indian coworker about it but learned that no one wanted to talk about it, I assumed that the people I asked had benefitted from it and thus didn't want to talk about it? It is interesting to see another perspective on discrimination.
😂😂 Black Indians (South Indians) are the richest and educated people in entire south Asian and India
@@tejesheconomics4072 That may be so. I'm curious, as an African American male what caste would I fit into?
@@tonymerrellColour wouldn't matter I guess. My father could probably pass of as an African , if not for his hair. My mom , however is very light skinned. We are from lower caste. There are many upper caste people who are as dark as my father. However, I guess the caste identity is revealed via surnames and other subtle facts. Its difficult to explain
@@rahul.murali Thank you for that perspective.
@@tonymerrell Caste would not apply to you. Caste is very diverse than the simple explanation given in the video. Caste or ( Jati, Varna ) is diverse, changes from region to region. Same Caste group is considered 'Upper' in some regions and 'Lower' in other regions. There used to be mobility among castes ( In the sense whole caste group becoming considered above or below.). It is difficult to explain completely. But an Indian guy rejecting you (a guy of different ethnicity/race/religion) would not be due to 'caste' (You do not have a caste).
Sometimes when I read comments against Untouchable Dalits on Instagram - I feel like a non-Hindu atheist that the jati-varna system won't end in India for the next 1000 years until the religion collapses.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are into it. It gives them a sense of superiority which they may not be able to maintain if the playing ground is made fair to all parties.
Hopefully, steps taken in the right direction will eventually filter down to people like that. It might take a few generations to take effect.
same with white/ black, native/ invaders racism in uk, usa, Europe.
@@InfiniteCodeMage this comment of yours speaks of slave mentality and blame game.
I am talking about issues in India and you're interested in West to counter what's wrong. 😒
@@abc_cba Because those are more important.
Very self aware, to call others slave mentality will having zero original thoughts.
The same is happening against the upper .. in WBengal, it is more like anti brahmins , which is so Casteist m.
It's amazing that virtually all of the coastal regions have more or less given up on caste yet the hinterlands still struggled from it.
Nothing amazing about it. That's obvious, since coastal people come into contact with the rest of the world more often.
@@himanshusingh5214 so rivers are meaningless?
@@satyakisil9711 No, unless you are talking about a hypothetical river. Every real thing is meaningful.
@@himanshusingh5214 Psuedo geographical determinism.
Explain then, why Bihar was always the height of all philosophy till foreign rule?
@@Ravi9A You can call it philosophy or you can call it backwardness
Today in India, novody can systematically discriminate anyone on the basis of their caste. But the differences and divides are very much alive in people's minds. Even today in most parts (barring major cities) people of different caste groups dont even live in the same area, forget about intermarrying or any other cultural exchange.
I just visited my village and I see caste system we are a high caste people and our grandfather just died at the funeral I see that my father was giving food to low caste on disposal plastic bag who want food at their home and my upper caste like my neighbour where getting at silver Bowl or like this
And 2nd incident where my father was at Pooja of lord Krishna when he come the organiser just go and take tent bed like thing where many people sit where many low caste child was sitting he abuse them and beat some of them he kick 5 child out of that bed so that my father sit
That is definitely a lie😂
yes, upper caste can get away with abusing even today on a daily basis@@user-or3rz4iy1o
Its everywhere, "barring major cities" is just plain foolishness to say
You are a bot . TH-cam can detect these sort of handles. @@user-or3rz4iy1o
15:45 Regarding the mention to the reservation system in Educational Institutions and Govt. Jobs, I would like to correct the narrative. Although, applicants from the lower castes can avail the specific reservation quota the rest of the seats are UNRESERVED (not for the favoured upper class). UNRESERVED seats are filled completed on merit base.
And what is merit? How you get that merit? Why others don't get that merit? IQ? Let's check yours Vs them! In fact Merit is nothing but added time n training not wisdom. That's why meritorious have ruined India with their corruption, their only quality
And that's the worst part of reservation.
@@1984vikki Let me guess, you failed the exams? 😁
@@shikshapandey8196litteraly casteist bamani
Yep,you are right indian parents favor their children marry in the same caste,and people from backward casts are way poorer on average so this lack of money effect their education as well,because of lack of money they can't afford say private university and only govt university have this reservation system based on cast and ews quota.(economically weaker section)but it is also true that discrimination has reduced a lot and it will keep on decreasing as duties of old generation are taken by new generation.
Why don't you marry a bhangi and set an example? Here in jammu, we have a bhangi from punjab, he is rich too and get all government reservations and privileges. Your future children will also get privileges.
Also ,you can change your name to Pragati Bhangi .That way, yoh can support them too.Pragati Bhangi sounds so good .I hope you do it and set an example. More power to you 💪
I am a dalit and upper middle class ... will you marry me?
@@pritsingh9766I have seen some examples of people from upper castes married to people from Chamar community but not with bhangi. Please explain is Chamar and Bhangi same or different.
@@pritsingh9766Punjabi band
Well, answering the questions:
Government officials are also dependent on the powerful and influential elites that follow the traditional prejudice in their social class.
It is obvious that interbreeding between wealthy families is concurrent because of the consolidation of wealth opportunity, just like monarchs used to do.
Along with the situations mentioned, also cooperation with other institutions and individuals with decision-making status with triage the ones who are disadvantaged or do not have social [high] status.
Elitism will always exist in countries where inequality persists, which in the Indian situation is reinforced by religious-social issues.
Well there aint no inbreeding in the indian upper caste, as 50% of the partner selecting process involves making sure you aren't related to at least up to 5 generatons( though it's probably more as same tribes don't marry)
@@laabh9949 Well that is definitely included in the context I wrote. It is all about protecting the lineage and wealth.
If you simply say, Case system is like Class system, Upper class and Lower class. Upper class controlling land, wealth, and Power. Lower class are the workers under the upper-class.
In India It was Elites-Brahmanas (Upper class) and Indigenous (So called Dalits) Lower class
British and American Whites (Upper class) and African Americans ( people of color) Lower class- White only wash room Segregation and discriminations
Jews (Upper class) and Samaritans( Untouchables) People even don't drink water from Samaritans , killing women by throwing stone at them for sexual activity
British and their kids also Used these Dalits to create their colonies by salve labor, torture, Slave breeding farms, Suppression, Oppressions, , Ethnics cleansing, Language killing ,all kind of cruel atrocities had been done in the past and still continues in the form of war.
India is like a union of more than 20 small countries thats speak 20 language and they have their own culture and traditions, Unlike in the US Blacks don't have their own language.
Its every where, In India it will gradually go down , But peoples perception and attitudes towards each others need to be change. also population is good we can get cheap labor by opening factories and Manufacturing Industries in India
@@laabh9949 so inbreed with multiple steps? yeah we hear
@@vijaz5559 Separated by six or more generations isn't inbred at all.
Caste System has very very deeply ingrained into the Indian psyche. Deleting it has become very very difficult. But I can say prejudice is decreasing.
How can Indians "forget" caste when every Govt form asks for caste category and there are political parties that are openly Dalit parties?
The problem isnt elimination of caste, the issue is elimination of discrimination. And that is by and large achieved.
Again far left claims with no evidence
Nah. Developed states Don't know anything about caste
@@Dr.Kraig_Renyes yes P@j€€ts knows everything in this universe
Caste system simply exist in modern india , becoz its made legalized by constitution . People have been demanding to ban caste system , but its not possible legally as it need change in constitution .
It takes a long time to break down a system that's been around for centuries. Just give them time, they will get it done
Millenias, not centuries
@@mamadandi5235 if you have to write in every documents and form.
You listen about caste based politics in every and anytime in news channel
Do you think we can ever get rid off caste system.
INDIA DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE OFF, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WANT TO SOLVE LANDING PROBLEMS, AND NO BODY IS LEAVING THIS SPHERE.
WHY ARE YOU SO WORRIED?
This shouldn't surprise anyone.
If history teaches us anything, societies that flourish the most are the ones that marginalize people the least. National prosperity is linked to how many people are allowed to contribute to the furthering of national growth. The worst thing a nation can do is bar people from fully living out their potential, because of their background.
Explain how did the US reach the position it did then practising segregation only to do away with it after the civil rights movement in the 1960s ? Btw - how educated are you ? Only high school or some college ?
@@ic9771 The US experienced its meteoric rise because, up until the passage of the Civil Rights Act, it was the beneficiary of fortunate circumstances. It was one of the only industrialized nations that was left unscathed as a result of WWII, allowing it to dominate the global stage without any serious rivals, as most of those rivals were decimated after the war, or were just breaking free from the shackles of colonialism..
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 paved the way for mass immigration. Much of the economic prosperity that was experienced after that was the result of immigration that could only have happened as a result of the more inclusive spirit brought on by the Civil Rights Act. If you doubt that, look at the ethnic make up of Silicon Valley, consisting of a population of Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, and Korean people, where they are over represented relative to their numbers in the population. The same can be said for the fields of medicine and finance.
Regarding my education, I have a post graduate university degree.
@@ic9771 what hes saying is true if you look at global averages, the US is a huge statistic deviation on this (same with how on average highly religious countrys are usualy poorer then more atheist countrys, also doesnt aply to the US).
And the US reached it position due to many different conditions, the petrodollar plays a huge part right now, but the biggest one still being ww1 and ww2 where they became insanely rich of selling resources to both sides, taking in scientists who are basicly war criminals and in the time since then maintaining the status quo, or atleast trying to in geopolitcs and foreign war campagns based of dodgy morals, usualy around the time of US elections.
That last point also explains the reaction to China's growth, its a threath to the system they are so desperate to uphold.
Ad to that how the freedom country has the highest population of incarcerations in the world, a huge majority of them being the segregated population and uses them to work jobs for basicly no pay being the backbone of their general militairy production that would be unafordable in the normal consumers market, and you notice some cracks apearing in the blissfull ignorance that is the USA today.
My mom worken for an indian business man in Romania. Yes..its very much ingraded in their culture. They had a help lady that was basically a Dali and was living in some kind of closet. My mother was shocked..needles to say my mother left them after a few months.
Are you Romanian? Really?
Fix racism
a lot of the comments aren't recognising that caste systems exist in a lot of developed countries. Look at the US - that's a caste system if every I've seen one. At least in India they acknowledge there is a system!
USA is uniquely bad compared to most of the world, that's not a great bar.
That relic must go, India's caste system is the reason why people so easily converted to Islam and why there is Pakistan and Bangladesh. It's a terrible, terrible idea in 20th century, but we are in 21th.
People love feeling superior to others and as they arrange marriages they remain in the caste system. I had a dutch indian friend at Uni, so she's young, well educated and she was cutting out marriage adverts, those were descriptions of the men including their caste. Even such a woman in a progressive society was trying to find a match at only 18 or 19 which is crazy young to get married here and looked for one to please her parents with their caste.
If they do not want to let it go they wil not. I remember that in Korea your last name said something about your status before but when there was some sort of revolution or change loads of people changed their last name to one of the rich families so now you have a ton of people with the same last name like Park and the class is invisible. At least at first.
In Europe, your job was part of your surname like Mr Smith, Potter, Cooper, Mason, Taylor, Thatcher, Tyler, Slater, Miller, Baker, Cook, Fisher. Mr Whitbread (rich person who eat white bread). Mr Bond (a serf who is bonded)
@@nsevv We don't have serf lastnames, back in the day that was a thing they did not have last names. But there are loads of people who have a last name based on the town they were from, those you could link to something in the past.
A baker would not be a lower caste and may professions were totally respectable and made you a "burger" citizen of respect who could vote.
Though how someone would end up with a name like "born naked" I do not know but people actually have that as their legit last name here in the Netherlands.
@@nsevv * In Europe, your job was part of your surname like Mr Smith, Potter, Cooper, Mason, Taylor, Thatcher, Tyler, Slater, Miller, Baker, Cook, Fisher. Mr Whitbread (rich person who eat white bread). Mr Bond (a serf who is bonded) *
You forgot Hooker. Imagine marrying a woman from a long proud family of Hookers.
@@StevenSiew2lol that is quite funny because there is a brand of furniture I really love but the name of the company is “Hooker”. Quality stuff but the name makes me think of other stuff. I can’t imagine having that as a last name especially if I were younger. Endless teasing.
The Family name Hooker does NOT mean prostitutes. Instead Hooker means people who makes Fish Hooks (for Fishing).
Man I’ve few Indian friend circle, It’s shocking how go their surname ( caste bracket ) when introducing eachother. Although they say no harm in that and all that educated nonsense. I could still smell, subconsciously they still have inferiority ladder. It’s so sad
India just turned out to be the most populated country in the world last week.
purpose of Kamasutra XD
what does having a lot of people when the majority is never going to escape poverty? Not an attack on India, just addressing overpopulation problem.
Yeah, they seem proud of their rampant reproduction.
Is there any census proof of such or just a UN blabber ?
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 Actually India and china are the oldest civilizations, Thousand of years (5000 yrs)people had been living there and still continues. so the population reproduction rate is fair , Unlike Europeans especially British were super breed and Exploded into Americas, Australia, Canada, Newzealand South Africa, In between 300 - 400 yrs thats Amaze the World. Nowadays In India and China Youth Having less kids (1-2) so don't worry we are on the right direction
India is not a new China.
In the UK a similar system of social segregation also exists. It was not based on religion, though. That will make the breakdown of the Indian system so much harder.
South Africa also has a similar system called Apartheid.
India has what most foreign investors like a large population of poor people to exploit, and at the same time a large population of highly educated people who's knowledge can be exploited for far less remuneration than would suffice in that company's western home base.
and the high caste will happily exploit the Dalit.
A miserable world
Ending this madness is a nobrainer.
1.4 billion people. That these is probably the biggest reason for poverty in India.
have you forgot about 50 trillion loot from india.
In 10 years we will achieve what we deserve.
How does it work on a personal level? Are casts written in people’s documents? How can can a company know if it’s (not) hiring a person of a specific cast? Can one guess a cast based on facial features, accent or smth else?
isn't the caste system good? i, as an American, can get those shudras to work for me and they can't find a different job because they're stuck as a worker slave in my American factory.
Yes if you choose to you can get a caste identity certificate which can ensure reservations in jobs and education...however no one can legally descriminate you based on your identity ...the law and the constitution strongly oppose it!
Its just like racism in US...there are hate crime laws yet racism is prevalent in less modernized areas
@@herambpatkar thanks for answering. In US it’s easy to define black/white persons. But is it possible to understand what is a caste of a random person by a simple look to commit a hate crime?
@@ayli9 looks can a be factor in some cases...just as the way you can or cannot differentiate between an italian-american, irish-american, jewish-american ...its more a cultural thing, caste has huge influence on a person's culture, customs, food habbits, clothes and last names. Bigots usually begin to descriminate once they get to know their last name or the caste name.
@@herambpatkar ahh, now i understand, thanx for explanation!
It is a big problem still till date and it is not going any where soon, its about the thinking of people and no matter what law government bring or any thing, it will not change people thinking, it will go away slowly as the older generation pass ways
Well it is a bread n butter for all now... In Bihar , recently even in prvt jobs the govt has brought reservations for the lower caste .. Similarly in every examination the caste certificate is a necessity. And for politicians who keeps talking about love and all,it is a blessing
This caste based discrimination is still prevalent in schools and colleges, even the best ones. Many students suicide due to bullying. Future of many are ruined. They are discriminated against, ostricised, called names at every opportunity.
If you'll research more you'll see that most of the high ranking government jobs are held by upper caste people + businesses, the upper caste being like ~22% overall holds more than 45% on nations wealth. Yet these people still discriminate based on caste. Even the urban people who are supposedly formally educated.
Young indians are well educated so they don't need caste or religion. They have confidence in their competence.
Its a regid social class system i think tons of countries face that issue to not just india. The US does but in a different way those in the middle to lower classes can and are able to move up but there are still others that dont. Social mobility is important.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but the caste system is based in the Hindu religion. If you live a good life, you'll get reincarnated in the higher cast, if you live a bad life, you'll end up in the lower. So basically it's the Hindu equivalent of heaven and hell, just a bit more sophisticated. So as long Hindu religion is going strong in India, there will be castes. The same as you can not have Christianity without Heaven and Hell, or Islam without Jannah and Jahannam, you can not have Hinduism without casts.
This video is an exaggeration of the issue - the ability to succeed in India is NOT limited by the caste one was born to.
Just look at 2023 - the most powerful Indian Politican is from the "Backward castes". The main leader of the Opposition in Parliament is from the Untouchable Caste/Dalit. The current President and the previous President were from tribal and untouchables castes respectively. Nearly half of all engineering, medicine, civil service and graduate enrollment is reserved for disadvantaged castes. Many untouchables have moved up the class hierarchy. While there are lots of Upper castes who are struggling to move up the financial hierarchy and are stagnating due to the scale of the caste based quota system.
India is no longer a caste based hierarchical society but a class based hierarchical society.
It’s crazy how you put your political views in fucking every damned video. The Indian system is unique to India and shouldn’t be shit on by you. Let them stay with the caste system
Still can't really believe it's a reality in this day and age
Its not actually 😂
Westerner exaturate the whole thing even when their is almost 50% reservation in government jobs in India
@@hritikraghuwanshi2049 If caste system is no longer a thing, them we no longer needed reservations.
But thats not true
As long as Indian govt keep mentioning abt caste system in it's official documents and constitution it won't fade away anywhere in centuries.
Caste system existed in Europe as well but we only see it in history texts not on govt documents.
isn't the caste system good? i, as an American, can get those shudras to work for me and they can't find a different job because they're stuck as a worker slave in my American factory.
@@Sanyu-Tumusiime I aint even gonna try to guess the tone when you was writing this
@@laabh9949don’t response he’s a troll
There was no caste system in Europe as far as I know. Social segregation and stratification, but the definition of a caste is that it is hereditary and formalized. There were aristocracies, but people were able to switch in their lifetimes. Also jobs handed down in familial lines are not a caste system.
@@gandiashop9391 why do you think I'm a troll? i'm serious about manufacturing in India.
advice to low castepeople,
make a group train, fight make your own country that is how the world mechanics works
This is going to Pissoff a lot of (modi)bhakts
Nah I am a modi voter and I am staunch opposer of caste system
TBH,
As a Indian, I think there are other problems with are more problematic for Economic Growth.
Like,
'Enforcement of Contract' is difficult because of 'Ultra Slow 🐌 Judiciary',
'Burocracy'
'Policy Unpredictability' etc.
Yeah, cast system is there with varying degree of significance depending on how economically backward that area is.
These things will go away with industrialization.
I think you underestimate the impact that it has on a society, when you automatically disqualify maybe half of the children and adolescents from attaining a university education and the specialized jobs that leads to. They don't even get schooled well enough to see if they could be geniuses (or at least somewhat above average). And it's hard to see that problem if you believe, in your gut, that lower caste children are automatically less intelligent or apt in the first place.
Yea discrimination based on caste will disappear over a couple of generation. I hardly see caste discrimination in major cities or in more developed areas. Several rich people in India are also from lower caste.
How this liberal will be knowing about real issues.these guys never go out and see what are the problems.instead they only talk about the problems that are discussed in books ,seminars,papers and talkshows.
How this liberal will be knowing about real issues.these guys never go out and see what are the problems.instead they only talk about the problems that are discussed in books ,seminars,papers and talkshows.
India needs a massive legal overhaul, along with the rest of the world 🌍.
A lot of laws are out of date and they have little to no organisation, leading to complete confusion 😵💫 for everyone trying to understand and use them.
thnx for covering this report
i belong to sc community
most of the general so called god of children discrimate sc st people
When discussing discrimintion you shouldn't forget cultural and social inheritance. Even if there's no formal discrimination, a higher social status might be related to having parents with academic background or political/professional connections. It's hard to accumulate all the knowledge you need in time to make the right choices and in most cases, it really helps with a couple of shoulders to stand on. This is true even in the west (political dynasties but also the enduring poverty of certain minorites).
And you can't really outlaw this, everyone should have the right to help their children put their best foot forward in life. But this also means people from disadvantaged groups may need multiple generations in order to generate the same cultural/social inheritance as more established groups.
Very well put. This is something that is often missed. Ecomonic development of the backward classes will not happen overnight. The results will show in a couple generations. Already we can see that most of the Gen Z do not care about caste, and it will only get better.
Are you a history professor ?
You are correct
There are rich in low caste as well, with major wealth and power. And there are higher caste whose family took suicide for to poverty.
I believe India has large issue of wealth discrimination from rich to poor rather than caste system.
But political powers are pushing narrative from wealth discrimination is not an issue. And common people are being put into fight of Religion & caste. Like Americans are put into fight of Black & White narrative or LGBTQ
This is correct. Money matters, not the imaginary lines in the sand.
Thanks for for making this awareness video, this channel is awesome for making such informative video.
In Indian metro cities cast is only limited to marriages, but in villages and district level discrimination is still exist, that's why Bhim rao ambedkar ( main leader for vaste discrimination) said that india should urbanised fastly to reduce caste discrimination, and in lower caste also many people got Reservation in education govt jobs, politics but after reaching a certain good level forgots others and their future generations because of wealth and reservation easily and poor lower caste people caste compete with 2nd / 3rd generation highly wealthy people of their caste under reservation quota. Out of nearly 900+ obc cast only 27-28 caste takes 95 percent benifit of reservation
This is probably the comment closest to reality.
I'm from a small village of India and in my 19 year's of life never seen any caste based discrimination 😂 I'm from obc category ..and our village people are more humble than Cities castism is now in India present day only political tool for politicians 😒😒😔
@@user_6687 maybe, but there are few researches based on discrimination incidents comparsion in different states , cities, and villages and in cases per population villages specially east up and bihar comes more
Why don’t you speak about India before 75 years of Independence?
Privileged people were treating under privileged people with dignity and respect,isn’t it?
Mindset hasn’t changed even after 75 years of independence.
@@Itispurplecat mindset changed a lot, in india there is saying "roti beti ka ristha", eating and daughter relation which was completely stopped, even in upper caste same status but different caste, but now eating together tradition barrier is completely gone in most of india and no marrying in each other caste barrier is also decreasing yaa but at slow rate but it will also decrease
I would like to offer some light on this topic, so please bear with me.
As a person who is labeled as someone belonging to a lower caste by the society I have a some opinions and thoughts on this matter. Ever since childhood I've been constantly reminded that I belong to a particular caste. It didn't matter until I was in middle school when I started to notice the difference in behavior of people. FYI for the most part I've never faced any caste discrimination towards me, or at least that I know of (FYI I'd consider myself a tiny bit privileged in terms of economic aspect, which in turn dictates much of my social exposure, but that wealth isn't a product of generational wealth). But I've seen my father struggle in his job and other social aspects. Many people today don't care about caste until the matter of inter-caste marriage is brought to the table. You wouldn't believe but people who have the highest education you can get in this country still has that regressive social ideologies.
Coming to the solution part of this topic. There isn't any easy solution. The situation today is you can find someone belonging to any caste who is poor and socially backwards these days. By socially backwards I mean is lack of education and opportunities. Gone are the days of large families taking care of every distant cousins and all. Nowadays everyone cares about their own nuclear family and hence you would notice people belonging to higher caste with wealthy relatives also abandoning them and hence the social backwardness.
The idea of all political parties and most people is let everything stay as it is. Since it would take a large amount of grit to cure the society of this evil (many still don't see anything wrong with the castes).
First of all we will have to invest heavily in education and make it affordable if not free till university. Second build more schools and universities and ban any school or education systems who cater to a particular community of people. Promote diversity starting from school. Keep strict rules for teachers and professors to end discriminating towards students and teachers of different caste, race or community. The main discontent with the quota or reservation system from general caste people is that they feel cheated when someone who scores less gets admitted to a reputable university or school. If there are enough quality education institutes people won't feel the discontent since everyone will get same high quality education. Keep a fixed quota for economically backward students, this will be hard since forgery is still a big issue in India. Keep a fixed quota for socially backward students (caste, creed, religion minorities, tribes, etc). Then every 10 years perform a survey to check the percentage of people who are socially and economically backwards. Adjust the quota depending on the situation. This will be hard but I think people will accept this solution if done without any corruption or malice. We can invest in education we just choose not to. It might not seem profitable at first but it'll be an investment towards guaranteeing a better society. This is, what I feel, the easy solution. In the end if the caste would stop having meaning (or benefits) to the people they'll abandon it. A harsh solution would be to strip last name from everyone, but I think everyone will be pretty pissed at that idea.
In the end it's going to be tough to change anything since caste is so closely associated with religion, and I don't just mean Hinduism. Even Muslims still believe in castes.
There is a famous quote by Narendra Jadhav in Marathi. "Jaat hi ashi goshta ahe ji jaat nahi". It translates to "Caste is that thing which doesn't go away".
being a general caste, even I feel what else is there for we general caste peoples to get in india where your caste will define your future in field of education to jobs from scholarship to financial exemption. Atleast in west, there's not reservation and they values talent unlike our castist india where caste>>>>intellect....
We can work for our career in west where our surname will not be a barrier for our dream unlike in India. There's no country in the entire world which has this level of insane reservation like India
USA and Europe had much bigger problem of racism. USA doesn't give this much insane reservation to african americans.
First go and search the admission criteria of multiple American institute. None of the top institute like mit have reservations nor Google, or apple have reservations for jobs cuz they need talent not garbage caste certificate.
Wese toh kafi institutions mein musalmano, isai aur Sikh students ke liye reservation hota hi hai including some of the top universities of India. Hum general logo ne sach mein yeh desh mein koi gunah kiya hai kya? General ka sirf 20% population hai aur Brahmins ka 5% population.. baki sab toh OBC, St,sc ka hi population hai. I'm a Brahmin and I'm from a very middle class family. Some of the ultra rich people in my colony are ST. They do get reservation And even financial exemption and scholarship. Even a muslim or a Christian would get a financial exemption because of OBC... While we general get absolute nothing no matter how poor we are.. Brahmins are represented as oppressors in all of media including international media. While the fact is that today prime minister Modi is OBC and president is ST.. but still Brahmins are oppressors for every indians? This is the reason majority people who migrate to West are from general caste cuz we do know what struggle is not one who live through the lobby of reservation. No country in the world including united states has so much reservation like India has... Reservation is eating away India. A poor general caste die in india every day. Khair problems toh sirf obc ,sc,st ka hi hota hai. General caste mein bhi kitna gareeb hota hai Lekin kisko kya farak padta hai. It's better for we general caste people to migrate in Western countries. Atleast there our surnames would not be a barrier From achieving our dreams.
Mein middle class family se belong krta hu. Aur mere colony ke Ultra rich log ST. Zyada tar hamare town ke doctors ST hai. Humko kya pta kon dalit kon obc. Hum normal log toh koi bhed bhav nhi kiya na mene kiya kabhi. Lekin fir bhi mera Ultra rich ST dost logo ko financial exemption, scholarship, and top law college mein seat bhi arrange ho gya jab ki mein un logo se academics mein kai guna behetar hu. Aaj mein ek American hone se mera surname barrier nhi hota.
you are one of the few people in this comments section I can believe is a real person.
@@AzadHind572chupa madre
This caste system is similar to the position of black people is the US.
What a nice Channel! I am on a trip and these videos are making my day.
If you have ever been to North India you will see why having the largest population in the world is not necessarily a good thing.
What will i think if I went to western india or southern india.
@@sumeettanwar1608 You tell me
@@sumeettanwar1608caste discrimination is far less prevalent in western and southern India...like every other human development index..these areas fare better than states like UP, MP, Bihar, Harayana, Rajasthan.....the only opposition is usually for intercaste marriages although it is like a less toned down version.
@@herambpatkar he is talking about population not caste.
Haryana and punjab is above souther states in most of human development index parameters.
Up and Bihar has been bimaru states of India for decade now. Their is no point in comparing all of north with them.
@@sumeettanwar1608 population wise too...UP, Bihar are way too populous and complex due to its history and constant invasions..cant really blame them ..its just an unfortunate loop and very difficult to escape....maharashtra, gujarat, and south are better organized and less chaotic. Hence majority of the development takes place in these areas.
It's all because of religion. Many of them change their religion to Christian or Islam to combat this. But of course the unspoken stigma still there.
😂😂Nope it is still there coz of politics , it is a bread n butter for many.. in bihar , recently the state govt allowed reservations for the backward caste , similarly on every examination there is reservations only 10 % are next cut competition...also for politicians who talks about love and all it is a blessing...
So , overall in India it is a boon if u r born near a tea garden and in a backward class ...
I was unluckily only born in the backward one so I was denied of tea garden certificate..
caste system is basically worked as compitition eredication system for upper caste ,if there will be discrimination in school most shudra will leave the school so there will be less compitition
shudra dont need to be in education, but the upper caste need to be providing for the shudra, you must understand, dalit is not inside caste system and we dont need to worry about them.
This system is the reason India will never be able to replicate China's miracle
The video forgot to mention B.R. Ambedkar
People need to stop talking about his teeth. They are the color of his TH-cam award so he should be proud!
This is like a Scooby Doo episode where you keep showing the same background photographs over and over again.
This is completely false and seems no one even tried hard enough to research for the video, You just didn't talk about reservation, the IITs entrance exam, the general students have to score nearly twice to get the admission compared to backward or lower class students. Same goes for nearly all the government jobs and examinations. The prime minister of the nation is from a backward class (who's basically an ideal for millions here), the president is of a lower class. The guy said 3/4th are untouchables really? So called untouchables were not even 5% of the population. I have lived a long life in Rural India and I can proudly say that these caste issues are nearly eradicated. Yes, there are many instances of such cases but that happens generally with old and uneducated individuals. This video is not at all accurate. I have been Visual Politics subscribers for a few years now. And this probably is the least researched video on India.
You are an upper caste Hindu. How would you even know what discrimination feels like? I am also an upper caste Brahmin from Bengal. Upper caste people cannot really know the reality of discrimination. We have never faced discrimination on the basis of caste. Only Dalits can tell you about the horrific reality of discrimination in India.
Reservation system is Bhagwan's punishment for us upper caste people. Upper caste people have committed countless injustices against Dalits. Reservation system is the only way for giving justice to Dalits for 3000 years of injustice done by upper caste.
In June the California senate passed a bill that would add caste discrimination to its anti discrimination law. Do it is not just a few isolated cases.
A Bronze-Age institution surviving to the Industrial Age.
The perception of the caste system in India is a Western idea (actually a Middle Eastern concept of a society that migrated to India). The Indigenous communities had community-based systems ex. Tamil society from its ancient times (2000BC at least on record) had divisions of lands as five different biomes (thinai), 1 Kurinji (Forest) 2 Palai (Desert), 3 Mullai (mountainous), 4 Marutam (Agricultural field and plains), 5 Neital (Coastal) and people were classified to these 5 major biomes and accordingly, their lifestyle based on their occupational choices. The community system allowed people to be in any occupation and switch from the occupation done by their parents and also had full flexibility to move to a different biome. This flexibility allowed each community to migrate to any part of the Tamil kingdom or even migrate to other Tamil kingdoms. When the caste system was brought in by the Western communities from the Middle East (sometimes referred to as the Aryan invasion) into the Indian continent they first associated themself with the rulers who also had invaded India from the Middle East and then created new religions and languages (Sanskrit - an Indo European language), they turned the community (flat system) to the caste system (pyramid-shaped) and self-claimed themself to be on the top of the Pyramid. Also, they locked the flexibility of a person moving from one community to another community - and made sure a person born into a family inherits the father's profession so that the top of the pyramid stays at the top forever. This is the significant difference between community system of ancient India vs. the caste system. The changes from the community-based Indian society to a rigid caste-based society happened just before the invasion of colonial invasion of European countries. By the 14th century, all the Tamil Kingdoms were wiped off the Indian map by North Indian Sultans or by Telugu Kingdoms that accepted Sanskritization completely into their language and culture. British, French, Dutch, Portuguese, and others only reached India by sea after the community system had been replaced by the caste system and they didn't understand the historical perspective and migration that happened from the Middle East through landmass from the west.
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I think it takes a civil war of sorts to really abolish this system. The current benefactors of the caste system is too entrenched in the society, being able to sway government and policy. I don't see them being able to give up their power for the greater good.
Exactly what power is this?
@@MegaAshfire Capitalist with economic power being able to sway lawmakers, and high level officials that can shape policies. These roles are usually reserved for select few with top education opportunities, family connections, or are born into wealth. Any society have them, except few give them legitimacy through means of a social class system. Those of the lower caste and their lineages are condemned to never hold power.
@@script_na this is absolutely untrue. The state support for lower caste is applicable from jobs reservation to reservation in topmost institutes and schools of the country. The state passed bills like sc/st act, which entails non bailable jail if a person from a lower caste even accuses (without evidence) of discrimination. This is also the reason caste system exists i.e. the beneficiaries are rich lower castes. For eg the video reference IIT graduates, the cutoff for general class is 99%ile, same for lower caste is 50-70%ile. Is that not unfair and discriminatory? It doesn’t even help the poor low caste as the seats are taken by those whose families have already benefitted.
Any fort of discrimination is disgusting but this issue is far more complex too.
@@-YOUNG_MASTER- I don’t have a problem with reservation, I have a problem with who it targets. I have seen mostly rich sc and st benefit from this. If reservation also had limits on based income or wealth, I have no problems with that.
That’s not true, there might be individual incidents but people get suspended if they don’t file. Do research on number of false sc st cases . Many times it has been used as a tool to solve personal altercations (not caste discrimination) . The state just gave extra powers to a certain group. Wasn’t this the same mistake the community made ages ago for UC?
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Do what B.R. Ambedkar did and convert to Buddhism or something.
Look into the raise of conversions to Christianity. A good majority of people are from so-called lower castes, evading the oppression from the system.
In other countries such as USA economic prosperity/wartime building drove people from various backgrounds to work together. For example, the Second World War introduced a lot of women into the workforce. The same can be noticed in India too... In cities, you can see the reduced impact of the system, where what you can sell matters more than anything. As you go more toward rural areas, the presence of the system can be felt. We have an oversupply of labor and it doesn't necessitate any reorientation of the system.
The caste system was documented to have existed long before the British colonization. However, they managed to keep the disparities to fit their model of making the country a market for their factory-made goods.
To be fair, this started as a system to transfer knowledge/craftmanship from one generation to another. The economic value of each service exacerbated the difference giving more leverage to certain people for a long time.
21st-century political activism has been both good and bad for the system. It gave voice to the people oppressed, while also keeping the system reinvigorating itself. The political weight of a collective bunch of people is higher than an individual and that is being achieved through caste.
Overall, this video had to be short & simplified, and also limited by what they understood. Each point of view differs.
This is also one of the many factor which cause majority of people in Indonesia and Malaysia turn from Hinduism to Islam, Christianity, or Buddhism. The caste system cause a massive social & economic gap between the lower caste and the higher caste. The Hindu kingdoms in Indonesia allowed the non-Hindu to live outside the caste system so the lower caste who want a higher economic & social freedom convert to other religion.
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Thanks. Good info. (I can’t blame those from lower castes converting to Christianity , Buddhism or Islam ….You have to do what you have to do)….
@@cakapcakep241….Makes perfect sense.
You create a bogey and then sell that fear for your MLM scheme. Well this is christianity for you
Humans have usually evolved to live and behave in ways that are extremely beneficial to some and extremely harmful to others. They tend to organized themselves in hierarchies such as caste and class systems or political parties and even into criminal gangs and the lower on the hierarchy they are the less rights they have and the more likely they are to suffer abuse and discrimination from the those above them in the hierarchy. They also compete for wealth, status and power often with little regard for human life especially toward the more primeval or toward those from a other races but even within their own race by creating hierarchies and ranking themselves in the hierarchy.
Not that I think Islam or Christianity or Judaism is any better but, the major religion of India is Hinduism which is much older than Islam and much older than Christianity and although all religions organize their followers into hierarchies from slaves to kings and queens, Hinduism has done this and documented this in their literature much better than other religions.
Please correct me if I got this wrong but according to the literature, you can only move up to a higher caste after you die. If you lived by the caste system rules and were honest and did the work that your caste was assigned to do and did not commit crimes and where successful in life and helped others to succeed, after you die, you can be reincarnated into a higher caste. You can keep being reincarnated to a higher caste until you rich the top caste, the Brahmins, and if you are a successful Brahmin, you can then be reincarnated into a god. If you lived a life of crime, you will be reincarnated to a lower caste and you can try again to live a life that will allow you to be reincarnated to a higher caste.
Humans have an amazing talent to tell fascinating stories with villains and heroes that have supernatural and magical powers and they also have an equal amazing ability or, should I say weakness, to believe these stories but if you are taught this from birth it is very difficult to realize it is just about all fiction and is done mostly for political purposes so that some people can control and be served by other people.
Religions are master storytellers where they make you believe that there are magical authorities that live in the sky that can reward you for following their rules or punish you if you do not follow their rules. Making you believe that the magical authorities created some people to be servants is a great strategy for these story tellers to live a privileged life since they were created to be served.
Whether its Christianity, Islam and Judaism or Hinduism people are not going to just stop promoting and preaching this non-sense any time soon. Unfortunately, people are not going to stop believing this non-sense any time soon. There may be some short term benefits in believing fiction or fake information but in the long run, I think it is always better to know what is fiction and what the facts are. This is why humans need to have the skills, knowledge and ability to separate facts from fiction and the educational system needs to put a priority in teaching how to do this with dedicated courses and subjects starting in elementary schools.
Leaders of all the major religions need to start understanding this and start to admit and recognize that their past thinking of teaching and presenting fiction as real events from the past is not the best way to promote and teach morality. There can be a “way out” or an “off ramp” from this way of thinking. The organizations, assets, leaders and members that make a living working and promoting their religion’s ideas and stories do not need to be eliminated. They can be transitioned and combined into the educational systems and their assets into historical museums and libraries. Their fascinating stories and literature are well written by some of the most intelligent and enlightened thinkers of the past and can continue to be used as learning tools but they need to be recognized as fiction. All religious leaders need to recognize and stop pretending that the stories are real. There may be some truth in the accounts of the events in religious literature but these events can be studied and debated similar to how other historical events are studied.
This cannot be accomplished without the understanding and support of the religious organizations and their leaders along with our wealthiest and smartest and brightest among us. I will admit that humans may not be able to achieve this type of progress. Religious beliefs especially ones that have been around for at least 5000 years will be a hard nut to crack but, we have to start talking about it and start presenting these ideas. Continuing to making up stories about magical authorities with supernatural powers that live in the sky and how these authorities think a caste system is a good and moral way to organize a society is not helpful.
At 11:00 you mentioned about the caste breakup in the lines of "they STILL account for X %" and so on. So are they supposed to be considered upper caste if they make socio-economic progress ? There are many similar factual errors in the video which I tried to make a mind note but the list became too long and I forgot them.
The mother of all Apartheid systems...
Urbanization is the only solution. This old Gandhian idea of India lives in its villages is a casteist mentality because Gandhi himself was a casteist. Just read his gujrati publications. Ambedkar was right in saying so. Parts of India are largely pre industrial in nature and thats the reason of this so called system being ossified.
Great video.
Hope your channel not attacked by angry mob of Indian cyber army.
I have seen a very nasty face of their cast system.
You trying to do a good job with this and avoid all the land lines terms, like racism, etc. but the real issue is that this is part and parcel of religious belief and if you’re not ready to stand up against the official religion of the majority of Indians, you’re not ready to do away with the caste system. The religion creates it nourishes it and perpetuates it. I doubt your channel is willing to take up arms against this ideology sad but true until India changes its religious philosophies and can’t ever get rid of the caste system. Thanks for the great work on this and the attempt to have us Westerners get a feel for what’s going on.
There's a reason Uganda kicked Indians off their country in 1972. Ugandans don't want to be treated like second class citizens their own country. Some critics are going to say that Ugandas economy collapsed after the explusion. So? It's better to be poor than to live under the Hindu caste system. No amount of money will ever justify marginalization in your own country. Now, there's cases in America where east Indians perpetrate the caste system against darker skin Indians. Restricting them from economic opportunities to outright social exclusion. I don't hate every Indian but I will never tolerate a socially backward caste system in my own land and neither should the dalits or any other ethnic minority.
The analysis completely sidesteps a MAJOR aspect of the caste system, religion. The caste system is intrinsically linked to Hinduism and has been from the very start. And India is a highly religious country, the customs and traditions are all deeply intertwined with social stratification. It's really religion that upholds the caste system, and you may be able to manage its legal status but its social status will never fade until there is religious reform, which will never come because of the deep rooted religiosity of most Indians, further worsened by a ruling government whose entire political legacy is that of advancing a Hindu-populist agenda.
Hindu-populists are not always castist though. Often they either say varna is based on profession or make a theological argument based on it being based on character.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_CyavanaRSS wants to ban Varna system as a whole but some Hindus oppose it
I am really shocked that you claim there was no "religious reform" in Hinduism, in fact most of the civil bills brought in India are predominantly aimed towards Hindu individuals. Most of social debates and policies are aimed at brewing a discussion on hindu religious reforms, and it has mostly been taken up in a pretty healthy way in Hindu society. In fact, we are yet to see a religious reform in say Muslim religious narrative especially in India, any discussion on Muslim scriptures is not at all welcomed by Muslim clerics, any debates on Muslim caste system is again not welcomed by Muslim clerics and upper class families.
Also, hindu-populist agenda which you are referring to is against the caste hierarchy and in fact this very hindu-populist ideology of current govt. brought a non jat cheif minister in Haryana, non-maratha cheif minister in Maharashtra. A populist party won't do that, in fact a populist party would do the exact opposite.
@@KunalMandhare-if3gr i agree however the BJP plays caste game in Karnataka and Fadnavis is a Brahmin not maratha but one of the highest ranked castes
And for muslims and Christians I agree that's why I am atheist
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These are "show laws." They're never enforced.
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Battle not with traditions of others, lest ye become a conservative, and if you gaze into the Indian Caste system, The Indian Caste system gazes also into you.
We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
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I see that there are two kinds of Indians in the comment section:
Low castes who complain that caste system still discriminates them
And high castes who complain that caste reservation is unfairly discriminating them.
Casteism is alive and kicking, till this second in India and there's no end in sight to it. That's coz the main political party ruling India embraces it and thrives on the divide it creates in the society. It's main principle , Hindutva and underlying code, Santana Dharma is epitome of discrimination and that's what is being preached again and again to the people. Hinduism is a fountain of discrimination
Well put