You Rock!!! I did this yesterday in about 6 hours with success. This is the only video I could find that shows how to do this without removing the transmission. Most helpful TH-cam video ever!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Thank you just bought one at auction for 1,700 because of the problem and was im waiting on the part to fix at home for my step sons first car. Great vid
G'day from the land of Oz, hey thanks mate to you and your lovely patient Wife for taking the time out of you busy lives to save us all thousands of dollars buy doing it ourselves. My buddy Andrew is an Automatic specialist & he takes 30mins to rip one apart & 45mins to re-assemble, the kit is $495, oil is $50, labor to remove $150, labor to build $250, labor to install $250, so he said "I don't HOW these transmission shops are hitting people with $4000 bills?" Thankyou again mate! :)
Thank you! Although I rebuilt my unit 100K ago and this band was replaced then.. this just went and your post was awesome to know it can be done in the car. Worked like a charm. Wrench on!
You remind me of me, your a great guy, fixing more than your share of broken used cars. I hope you make some money on that car. Thank you I just got one with the same problem. Thanks for posting. May have to fix it or put it in to be fixed lot!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
@@n.abade.0464I know, it's sometimes impossible to get the whole story. People putting helpful videos on here don't always include the very important details to make a difference.
I've been looking for videos on this exact issue, but their all overhaul rebuild. (requiring to take the whole Trans out... blah,blah,blah. And this has been very helpful. Man, you're the real MVP! Keep making more of these videos.
Thank you for the video, it was really helpful. I used a slide hammer to pull the cover, it was very stuck. Be sure to put a fresh o-ring on the cover and scrape the cover and the housing to make sure it slides in smoothly. I wrapped the transmission guts with plastic sack to keep debris out of it while cleaning up the housing.
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
I've got the same problem right now. Apparently you get the same two codes for a shift solenoid failure, which caused me to spend my day removing the valve body to replace it. New solenoid costs about $190, good thing I went reman on Ebay for $40, because it didn't correct the problem. Band replacement coming soon. This video will prove to be extremely helpful, thank you very much!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Had similar symptoms in my 08' Merc Mariner (same as the Tribute and Escape). Auto parts store diagnostics showed no codes whatsoever. Trans crapped out on the way home. Local transmission shop wanted $4k to do a rebuilt swap. Independent mechanic is quoting $1500-$2000 to repair. Rolling the dice (only 130k miles on the car).
Thanks for posting this "in vehicle" method - you are the DIY hero. I would not have attempted is someone else had not blazed the trail. Took about 7 hours - and that's because of taking extra-time to be super careful. Advice for others: 1 - thoroughly clean (pressure wash) front left wheel well and the transmission left side. Then high pressure air blow the area to minimize grit and contaminants. 2 - when you get all wheels of the ground, do it so the car is level. This helps when you support the engine as you lower it. I used a floor jack but probably better if support it from above. 3 - replace the pump gasket, the o-ring, and the metal band all at same time. Also: hey Ford Motor Co - you guys suck... that you put a cheap part (the metal band) in this thing, costs $11, and it's the weak link that has cost thousands of consumers $1000s each to have fixed? My Tacoma has 250k mi - just bought another 2018 Toyota - never Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD) again. good gracious.
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
1 recommendation: coat the pump rings with some transmission assembly grease before you put it back in. It went together real smooth for you, but they can hang & its easy to rip them up & maybe not even notice it.
Ok I found the right puller. For anyone wondering it's a slide hammer attached to a timing pulley/cover puller. I want to thank you. I followed your video and my girlfriends car is back on the road running good. $125 in parts is a lot less than $2000.
carlo marchione,,,, I wish I would've read your post before today. I went to O'Reilly and Autozone, and neither place knew what puller I needed, which I don't understand that. So, thank you so much for posting what puller it is. Thank you soooooo much.
No problem it took me a little bit to figure it out. I will say this. The puller will barely be long enough to fit. I had to use two large washers in order to make it work. I was under the impression that it would take a lot of force to get the pump out. I was wrong. One moderate pop with a 5lb slide hammer and the pump all but fell in my lap. Its now been a few months since the repair and the car is still running strong.
Thanks for the video, just replaced the band on my son's 07 escape, the band was broke in the same exact spot, don't have a lift so did it on the floor used a floor Jack to support and lower the engine.
@@markbelden6919 it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, I use to like working on cars but I'm an old guy now...lol..now I just do routine maintenance, brakes,batteries, fluids ...but all the shops I took it to wanted to get a used tranny and charge 3 grand to put it in...a 07 escape is only worth $3000 on a good day. So I did it myself, took me about 5 hours to get to the broken band, ordered a new one from Amazon for $35 and took 3 to 4 hours to put it back together, the rear motor mount is hard to reach ...pieced together a 3ft. extension and got to it from the passenger side wheelwell.
Nice Video,, I did one last year like this,, but it was driven a while with broken band, and it tore the seal also on the servo,, so an added $38 for that ,, still better then pulling the trans out,, just make sure the hex pump shaft lines up while bolting it back in .
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Can't tell you how many posts I found on the 2/4 band going out on Ford Escapes from anywhere 40k to mine ( 84 k ) As a reflection, I've never had a trans go bad on me and I've kept them for almost 200k w/out issues. Unfortunately I saw this too late for 3k trans replacement. Ford should have recalled this trans or at LEAST offered some compensation for failures under 100k.. Someone said well change the fluid every 30k. Nothing against fluid changes but I fail to see how that would have saved a METAL band from failing..
Thanks for the Video I'm trying to get into transmission rebuilding too. I'm having a different problem where the transmission no longer goes once it's warmed up, any hints on what to check?
I have a 2008 V6. Most of this makes sense just a little nervous about lowering engine. Wondering how far it will have to come down, a couple of inches? Do I have to disconnect anything else besides rear lower mount, the upper mount and the lower front mount (such as hoses, tubes or other components)?
Took me a few hours (get a heavy slide hammer... you’ll need it) but got it done and back on the road in a weekend. Shop quoted me $3200, cost me less than $50
Robert Meagher going to have to do this myself this weekend. A bit freaked out by some of the "put back together and won't shift at all" stories. Any good pointers?
Adrian Burns I had a minor issue where I didn’t get the shift cable set correctly, but it was a 5 minute fix. I replaced the fluid I removed and had no issues, but if you gather the fluid in a clean container you can reuse it. I’m sure most who have that issue never account for the very thick fluid removed and being thinned out with new fluid.
Adrian Burns also, I dented my exhaust slightly from lowering the engine/tranny... so keep an eye on that. It doesn’t show it in the video, but I pulled the battery/battery box out, disconnected 3 motor mounts (rear one was done thru passenger wheel well). Disconnected shift cable and hardline transmission line (to radiator). I also cracked all the sensors lose prior to lowering just in case the angle wasn’t good after. Parts Breaker is your friend. And don’t over torque that tranny pump, it’s aluminum.
Robert Meagher thanks Robert, I've never lowered an engine. Is it just a matter of using some Kind of equipment to hold the engine, then taking out mounts and then use that cradle to lower?
you've got guts for real,most mechanics wouldn't risk what you did,the 2-4 band has to hold or there will be no upshifts from there,no third or ,definitely 4th,which is what the 2-4 band does,it locks thru the bad servo twice,i'm amazed that you can access that many hard parts thru the case like that, i am watching this as i saw one of these cars for sale with the trans unit out,i buy a lot of them broken and repair them, i noticed in you video you are right next to a power station,if i were you i'd get a EMF meter and check out how much energy is going through your body,just a thought ,have a great day,you are a daring man,welcome to the club
You do need to soak that band for 30 minutes to make sure the fluid is soaked into that material. But since you bought that at an Auto Auction and you are just going to sell it, you don't care about it lasting.
I didn't soak anything when I did a rebuild on mine. Made sure it had at least 6 quarts before doing any kind of gear engagement and let it run (idle) for about 30 minutes before shifting out of park.
Just did my v6 mariners remove crossmember below t case, remove side mount, front mount, and axle and lower transmission unbolt pump, be ready to work your ass off to get it out I used a slap hammer with a ton of force. Other then that exactly what this guy says
OUTSTANDING............considering trying this, but limited in the equipment you have to raise and lower the auto. Thinking I should just trade it in and get whatever i can for it and buy something new. I have 2008 tribute with 60,000 miles.
Would the v6 have the CD4E transmission? I have replaced the speed sensor the shift solenoid still slips or wont move at all or all of a sudden kick into gear and drives for a small bit. Would this be the same issue?
I did all the procedure as expected to change the band and returned all the way back the rod but now all the gear shifts seem like they do not have enough torque, I have to press the acceleration pedal so much, any ideas what could be wrong?
Wish I would've had this video two years ago when mine broke in my 08 Escape. Paid $1,900 for a complete rebuild 😔 great to know for next time... really hope there's not a next time
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case. I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
@@abelvalle6188 I forget what kind I ended up using. It was basically a flat piece of metal with slots on the end to adjust the bolts and a place in the middle for the slide hammer. Worked Like a charm and never had another issue out of that vehicle the rest of the time we had it.
Yup, this is a common issue. Do yourself a favour and forget about all the nonsense of loosening motor mounts and disassembling the suspension. Simply loosen the subframe bolts, remove the L side mount and lower the whole works with an engine support bar. Took me about an hour.
Replace it with a proper valve body. thats been drilled correctly. www.sonnax.com/parts/4184-remanufactured-valve-body. my trans is 190k and still going; no major service
Hi there I have a Ford Escape 2005 that the reverse gear works when it's cold and stops working when it gets hot all other gears are working fine . Any suggestion? Thanks a bunch
I'm going through this repair right now and replaced the band, but can't get the pump back in as easily. Is there any trick to it? The shaft tgat drives the pump didn't come out at first, but after trying so much it got stuck in the pump and now it comes out with it. Help! It's a 2001 Escape v6 4x4
Nice and helpful video for this repair, and a cheap fix, yet time consuming and need tools and a lift. But the concern is, what was the underlying reason the 2 4 band broke. I was told by a transmission mechanic that you need to rebuild the whole transmission. That could cost up to $3,700. That the underlying problem is still there, after the repair, and same thing will happen again, after 2 weeks, 2 months, or if lucky, 2 years. Any thoughts.
I tried this method on one. I got too impatient waiting for someone to show to hold the drum in and the drum slipped out of place. Removed the trans and did a rebuild for about $350 and my time. The reason the band breaks is too much hydraulic pressure, which is a valve body flaw.
The same thing happened to me, the drum slipped. Now I may have to take the transmission out. What parts did you use to rebuild it? any point would be greatly appreciated
@@ramongonzalez9065 I used many different sources for the parts. Ebay, Amazon, Rockauto etc. I bought friction plates & seal(s) kit, shift kit, Servo, gaskets, and of course the BAND.. Steel plates were just fine.
Hey Keller's auto, what did you torque the pump housing to the transmission bolts to, Mitchell says 10ft,lb, it can't be that tight, we've broke two pump shafts now cuz the pump just locks up. Thanks if you get time to replay.
did you ever get an answer to this? i just finished this repair and now the transmission will not engage at all and i think there is an issue with the pump now.
@@joshshultheis4073 Unfortunately not yet, went through two more pump shafts and just got tired of dropping the engine/trans. I still have the car, where not giving up yet, just haven't had the time to get back to it. I bet if you pull the pump housing off again, the shaft will be all twisted, when we pulled it back off the first time, we measured the shaft and was close to the 14 1/16" i kapt putting that size back in thinking i had torque it to much, but i don't think thats it (all the CD4E trans at pick and pull had 80 to 90in lbs on the pump housing) I bought another that was 14 1/8" just haven't had the time to play with it again.
@@joshshultheis4073 Hopefully i will get back on it this spring, i got a inch point torque wrench and put it right at 80inch pounds, still twisted the pump shaft, but can't see where its getting hang up, pump spins fine, can't see anything its rubbing against. I know its something i did. probably gonna have to pull the trans out would be my guess, but i'll have her one more shoot before. Any chance you measured the shaft before installing yours?
Can anyone answer my ?. All my gears feel good but 2nd gear it's really weak trying to go up hills it's the only gear that feels that way. I've changed all my speed sensors and I'm still getting the same thing could it be the 2/4 band this guy is showing in the video and he won help would be greatly appreciated
@@bairfamilyfarm1336 2/4 band snapped not to long after I ask this ?, Thanks for the reply. I changed it just like dude does in the video after I took it to a transmission shop and the quoted me 2700.00 bucks! I ordered the band for 20 bucks on eBay and it only took me 7 hrs from start to finish.
Buenas amigo, te ago una consulta desde Argentina, tengo esta misma caja en mi auto, de repente se quedo sin trasmisión, como o donde podría obtener el funcionamiento de la caja y si hay forma de probarla ante de colocarla en el auto, desde ya gracias
I had to heat it with a torch and beat it with a rubber mallet, and then used the slide hammer until my arm was ready to fall off. Good news is it came off, and the repair inside was easy, just like he shows. It doesnt have to be in neutral. Just keep beating on it. I did have to change a bushing where pump goes into trans.
No one answered...but like I said from my own experience, keep on beating on it with a slide hammer it will come off. No special tricks, just keep at it
Thank you for updating. I'm going to use a MAP torch to heat up the edges once I get the transmission lowered. As for the slide hammer, you used it with a puller, correct? Would you happen to know if it's one that I could rent from Autozone or Oreilly?
Yin Arzew any decent sized slide hammer should work, it will need a yoke wide enough to bolt to the 2 holes on the cover. One of the holes had a bracket holding a line. I used a cheap harbor freight slide hammer
i tried this repair and after having everything put back together and refilled the fluid the transmission will not engage any gear. the repair went very smoothly with no hangups. but now it wont even engage in reverse and i am at a loss as to why. any suggestions on a fix would be greatly appreciated.
Josh Shultheis the only think I can think of is the pump shaft that hexicon shape part might not have got seated correctly. Sorry I am not a transmission person.
I don't know if this will help, but my wife's same 2001 Escape, which had the 2-4 band transmission band repaired 2 years ago, recently, just 4 months ago, would not engage in reverse or any gear at all, stayed in neutral. Seems, the shifter bushing, disconnected under the steering column, because it wore out, after almost 20 plus years. Link: --> th-cam.com/video/ZNU3R1MqR8s/w-d-xo.html Old news I know, too late, but your repair might have gone right but the bushing broke in the process.
the bolt that holds the lower ball joint to the hub is the same thread as the hose bracket bolt on the pump. I used the square and concave fittings from the slidehammer kit and beat it up.
Hubert Keller my 07 escape is slipping from 2nd to 3rd and I now have a leak right where it appears the band goes. so I'm hoping that that is my problem and it can be fixed without having to buy transmission. the code I first received was po741 with engine light on I parked the escape for about a month and when I decided to test drive it after it threw the code, I had to jump it off cuz the battery died after sitting for so long....however, the engine light stayed off and I'm able to again....with the slip and leak. anyway, props to you sir for such a great video. I hope it solves my problem
Spray the cover down with PB blaster several days before removing the pump cover. (3 times a day for at least 3 days!!) You can thank me later! 😅
You Rock!!! I did this yesterday in about 6 hours with success. This is the only video I could find that shows how to do this without removing the transmission. Most helpful TH-cam video ever!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Thank you just bought one at auction for 1,700 because of the problem and was im waiting on the part to fix at home for my step sons first car. Great vid
G'day from the land of Oz, hey thanks mate to you and your lovely patient Wife for taking the time out of you busy lives to save us all thousands of dollars buy doing it ourselves. My buddy Andrew is an Automatic specialist & he takes 30mins to rip one apart & 45mins to re-assemble, the kit is $495, oil is $50, labor to remove $150, labor to build $250, labor to install $250, so he said "I don't HOW these transmission shops are hitting people with $4000 bills?" Thankyou again mate! :)
Thanks so much for posting! Mine has been off the road with new tires on it all winter. Someone offered 600 to fix it but I think I'll do it myself.
Thank you! Although I rebuilt my unit 100K ago and this band was replaced then.. this just went and your post was awesome to know it can be done in the car. Worked like a charm. Wrench on!
You remind me of me, your a great guy, fixing more than your share of broken used cars. I hope you make some money on that car. Thank you I just got one with the same problem. Thanks for posting. May have to fix it or put it in to be fixed lot!
This video saved me a lot of $$$! Pretty simple and easy!!! Just a little time consuming but worth it!!!
Same codes/shifting problem here. Going to try it... Thanks for the video.
A big THANK YOU for this video! I'm having the exact same issues with my 2008 Ford Escape and I couldn't find a thing anywhere. Much appreciation!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
@@n.abade.0464I know, it's sometimes impossible to get the whole story. People putting helpful videos on here don't always include the very important details to make a difference.
I've been looking for videos on this exact issue, but their all overhaul rebuild. (requiring to take the whole Trans out... blah,blah,blah. And this has been very helpful. Man, you're the real MVP! Keep making more of these videos.
G Kollie that's why I made the video! Hope it helps!
Thanks for the video! Simple and straight to the point.
Thank you for the video, it was really helpful. I used a slide hammer to pull the cover, it was very stuck. Be sure to put a fresh o-ring on the cover and scrape the cover and the housing to make sure it slides in smoothly. I wrapped the transmission guts with plastic sack to keep debris out of it while cleaning up the housing.
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Thanks man, i have to work on the same trany tomorrow, great job.
I've got the same problem right now. Apparently you get the same two codes for a shift solenoid failure, which caused me to spend my day removing the valve body to replace it. New solenoid costs about $190, good thing I went reman on Ebay for $40, because it didn't correct the problem. Band replacement coming soon. This video will prove to be extremely helpful, thank you very much!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Hey man, I really appreciate this video. It definitely saved me some time. props.
Great!Glad it helped
I have same problem with same vehicle. this video is really helpful. thanks man. I try to do it
Had similar symptoms in my 08' Merc Mariner (same as the Tribute and Escape). Auto parts store diagnostics showed no codes whatsoever. Trans crapped out on the way home. Local transmission shop wanted $4k to do a rebuilt swap. Independent mechanic is quoting $1500-$2000 to repair. Rolling the dice (only 130k miles on the car).
Your a freaking life saver. Correct me if I'm wrong but being that there's a recall on the cd4e won't Ford just replace it and fix the problem
Thanks for posting this "in vehicle" method - you are the DIY hero. I would not have attempted is someone else had not blazed the trail. Took about 7 hours - and that's because of taking extra-time to be super careful. Advice for others: 1 - thoroughly clean (pressure wash) front left wheel well and the transmission left side. Then high pressure air blow the area to minimize grit and contaminants. 2 - when you get all wheels of the ground, do it so the car is level. This helps when you support the engine as you lower it. I used a floor jack but probably better if support it from above. 3 - replace the pump gasket, the o-ring, and the metal band all at same time. Also: hey Ford Motor Co - you guys suck... that you put a cheap part (the metal band) in this thing, costs $11, and it's the weak link that has cost thousands of consumers $1000s each to have fixed? My Tacoma has 250k mi - just bought another 2018 Toyota - never Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD) again. good gracious.
Thanks for making this video. This saved me time and a bunch of money. Great video!
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
I found this very useful I did the same thing to mine at work pretty good I did not need to remove the rear motor mount it worked perfect thanks
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
1 recommendation: coat the pump rings with some transmission assembly grease before you put it back in. It went together real smooth for you, but they can hang & its easy to rip them up & maybe not even notice it.
Ok I found the right puller. For anyone wondering it's a slide hammer attached to a timing pulley/cover puller.
I want to thank you. I followed your video and my girlfriends car is back on the road running good. $125 in parts is a lot less than $2000.
carlo marchione,,,, I wish I would've read your post before today. I went to O'Reilly and Autozone, and neither place knew what puller I needed, which I don't understand that. So, thank you so much for posting what puller it is. Thank you soooooo much.
No problem it took me a little bit to figure it out. I will say this. The puller will barely be long enough to fit. I had to use two large washers in order to make it work. I was under the impression that it would take a lot of force to get the pump out. I was wrong. One moderate pop with a 5lb slide hammer and the pump all but fell in my lap. Its now been a few months since the repair and the car is still running strong.
carlo marchione can i ask did you have a o/d light flashing as a warning light
i wish we had liberty I am doing one now . The od is 4th gear aka overdrive so yes the light would be on
And flashing
Great video! Thank you so much for sharing! I have the same issue and I hope the reason is the same. Thank you!!!!!
Thanks for the video, just replaced the band on my son's 07 escape, the band was broke in the same exact spot, don't have a lift so did it on the floor used a floor Jack to support and lower the engine.
Was it a awful repair?
@@markbelden6919 it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, I use to like working on cars but I'm an old guy now...lol..now I just do routine maintenance, brakes,batteries, fluids ...but all the shops I took it to wanted to get a used tranny and charge 3 grand to put it in...a 07 escape is only worth $3000 on a good day. So I did it myself, took me about 5 hours to get to the broken band, ordered a new one from Amazon for $35 and took 3 to 4 hours to put it back together, the rear motor mount is hard to reach ...pieced together a 3ft. extension and got to it from the passenger side wheelwell.
Thanks Brad, we dont have this particular vehicle but we are looking at buying one. I just wanted to look up some common problems with them
Nice Video,, I did one last year like this,, but it was driven a while with broken band, and it tore the seal also on the servo,, so an added $38 for that ,, still better then pulling the trans out,, just make sure the hex pump shaft lines up while bolting it back in .
John Kalan can you show me a diagram of the seal & servo that your talking about?
Thank you
Thanks !!! You save me 2000$$$ With your video
great video! thank you!
Nice work 👍
I’ve done that same repair before and it works !
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Can't tell you how many posts I found on the 2/4 band going out on Ford Escapes from anywhere 40k to mine ( 84 k ) As a reflection, I've never had a trans go bad on me and I've kept them for almost 200k w/out issues. Unfortunately I saw this too late for 3k trans replacement. Ford should have recalled this trans or at LEAST offered some compensation for failures under 100k.. Someone said well change the fluid every 30k. Nothing against fluid changes but I fail to see how that would have saved a METAL band from failing..
Thanks bro. Thanks a lot
You’re a God Send
Cool man thanks
Thanks for the Video I'm trying to get into transmission rebuilding too. I'm having a different problem where the transmission no longer goes once it's warmed up, any hints on what to check?
I have a 2008 V6. Most of this makes sense just a little nervous about lowering engine. Wondering how far it will have to come down, a couple of inches? Do I have to disconnect anything else besides rear lower mount, the upper mount and the lower front mount (such as hoses, tubes or other components)?
Took me a few hours (get a heavy slide hammer... you’ll need it) but got it done and back on the road in a weekend. Shop quoted me $3200, cost me less than $50
Robert Meagher going to have to do this myself this weekend. A bit freaked out by some of the "put back together and won't shift at all" stories. Any good pointers?
Adrian Burns I had a minor issue where I didn’t get the shift cable set correctly, but it was a 5 minute fix. I replaced the fluid I removed and had no issues, but if you gather the fluid in a clean container you can reuse it. I’m sure most who have that issue never account for the very thick fluid removed and being thinned out with new fluid.
Adrian Burns also, I dented my exhaust slightly from lowering the engine/tranny... so keep an eye on that. It doesn’t show it in the video, but I pulled the battery/battery box out, disconnected 3 motor mounts (rear one was done thru passenger wheel well). Disconnected shift cable and hardline transmission line (to radiator). I also cracked all the sensors lose prior to lowering just in case the angle wasn’t good after. Parts Breaker is your friend. And don’t over torque that tranny pump, it’s aluminum.
Robert Meagher thanks Robert, I've never lowered an engine. Is it just a matter of using some Kind of equipment to hold the engine, then taking out mounts and then use that cradle to lower?
Adrian Burns I had a jack under the engine and another under the transmission, had a neighbor help when lowering to make sure we didn’t go to fast.
you've got guts for real,most mechanics wouldn't risk what you did,the 2-4 band has to hold or there will be no upshifts from there,no third or ,definitely 4th,which is what the 2-4 band does,it locks thru the bad servo twice,i'm amazed that you can access that many hard parts thru the case like that, i am watching this as i saw one of these cars for sale with the trans unit out,i buy a lot of them broken and repair them, i noticed in you video you are right next to a power station,if i were you i'd get a EMF meter and check out how much energy is going through your body,just a thought ,have a great day,you are a daring man,welcome to the club
What all parts do I need to complete this job, 2-4 band part #?, seals & quarts of oil?
good video.
You do need to soak that band for 30 minutes to make sure the fluid is soaked into that material. But since you bought that at an Auto Auction and you are just going to sell it, you don't care about it lasting.
I didn't soak anything when I did a rebuild on mine. Made sure it had at least 6 quarts before doing any kind of gear engagement and let it run (idle) for about 30 minutes before shifting out of park.
Just did my v6 mariners remove crossmember below t case, remove side mount, front mount, and axle and lower transmission unbolt pump, be ready to work your ass off to get it out I used a slap hammer with a ton of force. Other then that exactly what this guy says
OUTSTANDING............considering trying this, but limited in the equipment you have to raise and lower the auto. Thinking I should just trade it in and get whatever i can for it and buy something new. I have 2008 tribute with 60,000 miles.
Dennis Arterburn check this thread out
www.justanswer.com/transmissions/6el0l-ford-escape-xlt-2-4-band-replacement-instructions.html
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What type of puller do you need to use for the pump? I've been doing some googling, but I haven't found a solid answer. Thanks!
Would the v6 have the CD4E transmission? I have replaced the speed sensor the shift solenoid still slips or wont move at all or all of a sudden kick into gear and drives for a small bit. Would this be the same issue?
Would this job be the same in an all wheel drive?
What is that long bar you used to "cradle the engine"? Where can I get one, and how much?
I did all the procedure as expected to change the band and returned all the way back the rod but now all the gear shifts seem like they do not have enough torque, I have to press the acceleration pedal so much, any ideas what could be wrong?
Wish I would've had this video two years ago when mine broke in my 08 Escape. Paid $1,900 for a complete rebuild 😔 great to know for next time... really hope there's not a next time
You probably paid $1900 for someone to install a 30-something dollar part.
06 escape awd was driving and with out any warning lost drive in all gears. any suggestions?
Doing this repair now...is there any trick to pulling the cover. Did you use a slide hammer style puller?
You will need a slide hammer....
My 07 Impala is only going forward in manual 1 and 2 and it also moves in reverse, just not drive. Could my forward band be broken?
Hi i was wondering if you could please help me find and send a link for this 2-4 band for my 2007 Ford Escape Limited V6 3.0L 4WD
Also applies to Mazda 626 mx6 mercury cars Taurus contours mercury cougars etc etc
How long does it take to do it if you're doing it in your concrete driveway? Thanks!
Good video. But you have to put a new oring for the pump or it will leak.
HOW TYPICAL IS THIS PROBLEM? HAS FORD ISSUED A RECALL?
Hello I'm having the same problem i bought the band, but I'm having doubts and thinking to leave it as is because I've been driving the vehicle for around 30k miles and I'm afraid this won't work in my case.
I'm really looking for all the help i can use if you have any tips or advice please let me know.
Hello.. your video so helpfull thank you..... but i have an issue how to adjust thight the 2 4 band ??
What kind of puller did you use for the pump? I'm doing the repair now.
Which kind did you use?
@@abelvalle6188 I forget what kind I ended up using. It was basically a flat piece of metal with slots on the end to adjust the bolts and a place in the middle for the slide hammer. Worked
Like a charm and never had another issue out of that vehicle the rest of the time we had it.
What code popped out to leed you to that finding?
Yup, this is a common issue.
Do yourself a favour and forget about all the nonsense of loosening motor mounts and disassembling the suspension. Simply loosen the subframe bolts, remove the L side mount and lower the whole works with an engine support bar. Took me about an hour.
where did you find the band replacement ??
What about valve body wear that causes oil pressure spikes which causes self destruction?
Replace it with a proper valve body. thats been drilled correctly. www.sonnax.com/parts/4184-remanufactured-valve-body. my trans is 190k and still going; no major service
What puller did you use?
Hi there
I have a Ford Escape 2005 that the reverse gear works when it's cold and stops working when it gets hot all other gears are working fine . Any suggestion? Thanks a bunch
N Sahar sorry I'm not any kind of expert on this Transmission maybe someone else would know about that
I'm going through this repair right now and replaced the band, but can't get the pump back in as easily. Is there any trick to it? The shaft tgat drives the pump didn't come out at first, but after trying so much it got stuck in the pump and now it comes out with it. Help! It's a 2001 Escape v6 4x4
Vicente García from what I remember it just locked in (maybe I turned it some to slide in) it wasn't an issue. Wish I could be more help
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if the planetaries did come out ... is there a way to get it back in place without removing the transmission? im not sure if its in all the way
Did you get the answer ? ? I have the same issue.
Does it matter if it's a 6 cylinder mine is a 6 not a 4-cylinder
Nice and helpful video for this repair, and a cheap fix, yet time consuming and need tools and a lift.
But the concern is, what was the underlying reason the 2 4 band broke.
I was told by a transmission mechanic that you need to rebuild the whole transmission. That could cost up to $3,700.
That the underlying problem is still there, after the repair, and same thing will happen again, after 2 weeks, 2 months, or if lucky, 2 years.
Any thoughts.
What tools are needed?
I tried this method on one. I got too impatient waiting for someone to show to hold the drum in and the drum slipped out of place.
Removed the trans and did a rebuild for about $350 and my time. The reason the band breaks is too much hydraulic pressure, which is a valve body flaw.
The same thing happened to me, the drum slipped. Now I may have to take the transmission out. What parts did you use to rebuild it? any point would be greatly appreciated
@@ramongonzalez9065 I used many different sources for the parts. Ebay, Amazon, Rockauto etc. I bought friction plates & seal(s) kit, shift kit, Servo, gaskets, and of course the BAND.. Steel plates were just fine.
Why does the band break?
Hi thanks for this video very helpful, Can you tell me what torque you used on the bolts to the cover plate /pump
108 in. lbs.
Please a link to buy parts, Amazon??
Thank you I just want the part number, please, so I can order it from Amazon
That's exactly what's going on with mine... how much that job can cost by a mechanic...
Hey Keller's auto, what did you torque the pump housing to the transmission bolts to, Mitchell says 10ft,lb, it can't be that tight, we've broke two pump shafts now cuz the pump just locks up. Thanks if you get time to replay.
did you ever get an answer to this? i just finished this repair and now the transmission will not engage at all and i think there is an issue with the pump now.
@@joshshultheis4073 Unfortunately not yet, went through two more pump shafts and just got tired of dropping the engine/trans. I still have the car, where not giving up yet, just haven't had the time to get back to it.
I bet if you pull the pump housing off again, the shaft will be all twisted, when we pulled it back off the first time, we measured the shaft and was close to the 14 1/16" i kapt putting that size back in thinking i had torque it to much, but i don't think thats it (all the CD4E trans at pick and pull had 80 to 90in lbs on the pump housing) I bought another that was 14 1/8" just haven't had the time to play with it again.
@@joshausterlitz3798 I was able to find the torque specs for the pump bolts 13NM and after re torqued the pump and it has worked fine for a year now
@@joshshultheis4073 Hopefully i will get back on it this spring, i got a inch point torque wrench and put it right at 80inch pounds, still twisted the pump shaft, but can't see where its getting hang up, pump spins fine, can't see anything its rubbing against. I know its something i did. probably gonna have to pull the trans out would be my guess, but i'll have her one more shoot before. Any chance you measured the shaft before installing yours?
@@joshausterlitz3798 I didnt measure it. Did you take the pump apart? The pump gears are notorious for breaking too
Can anyone answer my ?. All my gears feel good but 2nd gear it's really weak trying to go up hills it's the only gear that feels that way. I've changed all my speed sensors and I'm still getting the same thing could it be the 2/4 band this guy is showing in the video and he won help would be greatly appreciated
Weak as in slipping? (Engine revs too high compared to speed) If that's the case, 2nd gear band could be worn.
@@bairfamilyfarm1336 2/4 band snapped not to long after I ask this ?, Thanks for the reply. I changed it just like dude does in the video after I took it to a transmission shop and the quoted me 2700.00 bucks! I ordered the band for 20 bucks on eBay and it only took me 7 hrs from start to finish.
Buenas amigo, te ago una consulta desde Argentina, tengo esta misma caja en mi auto, de repente se quedo sin trasmisión, como o donde podría obtener el funcionamiento de la caja y si hay forma de probarla ante de colocarla en el auto, desde ya gracias
No hay forma de probar antes de colocar.
Got a slide hammer on it, and it doesn't want to come out..does transmission have to be in neutral?
pat guerrette did you get an answer to this? Cause I am having a hard time getting this cover off as well
I had to heat it with a torch and beat it with a rubber mallet, and then used the slide hammer until my arm was ready to fall off. Good news is it came off, and the repair inside was easy, just like he shows. It doesnt have to be in neutral. Just keep beating on it. I did have to change a bushing where pump goes into trans.
No one answered...but like I said from my own experience, keep on beating on it with a slide hammer it will come off. No special tricks, just keep at it
Thank you for updating. I'm going to use a MAP torch to heat up the edges once I get the transmission lowered. As for the slide hammer, you used it with a puller, correct? Would you happen to know if it's one that I could rent from Autozone or Oreilly?
Yin Arzew any decent sized slide hammer should work, it will need a yoke wide enough to bolt to the 2 holes on the cover. One of the holes had a bracket holding a line.
I used a cheap harbor freight slide hammer
i tried this repair and after having everything put back together and refilled the fluid the transmission will not engage any gear. the repair went very smoothly with no hangups. but now it wont even engage in reverse and i am at a loss as to why. any suggestions on a fix would be greatly appreciated.
Josh Shultheis the only think I can think of is the pump shaft that hexicon shape part might not have got seated correctly. Sorry I am not a transmission person.
Pump not aligned
Josh, did you found the problem. I have the same issue now, after the band replacement, transmission does not engage to any gear.
I don't know if this will help, but my wife's same 2001 Escape, which had the 2-4 band transmission band repaired 2 years ago, recently, just 4 months ago, would not engage in reverse or any gear at all, stayed in neutral. Seems, the shifter bushing, disconnected under the steering column, because it wore out, after almost 20 plus years. Link: -->
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Old news I know, too late, but your repair might have gone right but the bushing broke in the process.
Ford has tsb about this problem should of replaced servo also. Everyone I done molded seal split.
How the heck do I get my rusty frozen cover off??!!?? Help plz someone. Trying everything
the bolt that holds the lower ball joint to the hub is the same thread as the hose bracket bolt on the pump. I used the square and concave fittings from the slidehammer kit and beat it up.
What’s the code that it through
What were the codes? What were the symptoms?
The symptom would be slipping where it should have gone into gear.
Will this work on 2005 mazda tribute 3.0?
2001 through 2005 Mazda tribute 3.0l all have similar transmissions CD4E, if you can't figure that much out, don't take apart your car.
Hi, where did you buy parts?
Rockauto, about $15.
Where did you buy the 2/4 band?
eBay
Hubert Keller my 07 escape is slipping from 2nd to 3rd and I now have a leak right where it appears the band goes. so I'm hoping that that is my problem and it can be fixed without having to buy transmission. the code I first received was po741 with engine light on I parked the escape for about a month and when I decided to test drive it after it threw the code, I had to jump it off cuz the battery died after sitting for so long....however, the engine light stayed off and I'm able to again....with the slip and leak. anyway, props to you sir for such a great video. I hope it solves my problem
My pump is STUCK
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Will this issue throw a code?
I do not have a code but 1st gear is a hard shift to 2nd
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