HOES MAD 😜 Apparently I’m getting a lot of hate on twitter; haven’t seen it, and never WILL see it. I don’t go out of my way to see negative things about myself. Them losers can scream into the void all they want. But on a real note, I won’t be making another video on this topic until the 3rd season airs. Inevitably, there will still be plenty of you who are irrationally upset that I dislike a fictional character, but that’s expected. Over 500 comments later from the initial hate video, and yall still haven’t convinced me that Lestat is deserving of any grace-and neither is Armand (I unfortunately have to add this cause many of you severely lack comprehension skills and think I’m his apologist. Lestat’s still worse though. Oop). Fair to say at this point, you simply won’t be able to convince me. So yall can argue amongst yourselves in the comments. Be mad and all that, but I still said what I said. I’ll sit back and wait to see what season 3 brings :) Love those who love me. To the haters: keep crying lmao.
Naw I'm on lestats side even if he's the villain because he's the villain. And all the reason other lestats lovers use to defend him won't slip from my lips, I love him regardless of his wrong or his rights. Also just because we love this fictional character I don't think it should devolve into hate or negativity being thrown your way. We can agree to disagree.
Lestat was "married" to Louis for 30 years, and was Claudia's "dad" for 23 of those years. He was shitty at both roles. As part of the half-century fandom (read Book 1 as a teen in the Army), I applaud you...and not just because my grandson is also called Ty. All the show did was made me go, "Oh yeah. I never much liked bully Lestat on the page or in the movie!" I adore him as an enraging, outrageous character and he's absolutely essential to this story, but there's a reason Anne Rice got drunk for three weeks mourning her dead daughter, and furiously wrote her husband Stan as Lestat and herself as Louis. We can kinda see how fucked up her marriage must've been in 1973 San Francisco.
Forreal. I assume her marriage got better given the direction things take in the rest of the series, but yeah she basically felt as if Stan didn't love their daughter like she did. Later she realized they just mourned her differently. I would judge her husband too harshly though. Anne Rice's antics throughout her career make me question her judgement and her choices.
Finishing the show then coming into the fandom space and seeing how many ppl tried to act like Lestat abuse towards Louis was justified was so jarring. The shit they come up with in an attempt to make Louis and Claudia the aggressor was when I knew these ppl are crazy. Its such a shame bc I really enjoyed the show but it’s rancid over there
The excitement I felt when I saw this thumbnail. I exclaimed aloud, "GET HIM!" And then I listened to the intro and exclaimed, "GET THEM!" Loved the last video, excited to keep watching this one.
I respect you standing on your shit so much. It's always the same song and dance with #them, and even worse if they know you're black. They expect you to get in line or stay silent lmao. The fandom has a serious antiblackness problem. We need voices like yours over here!
LET TALK ABOUT THAT STUPID SPOILER: Fans of the books ARE THE WORST. They have NO IDEA if the show is going to just absolve Lestat of his involvement in the trial. There are a lot of moments where Lestat could have turned back and NOT gotten involved with the trial. Tons of moments. Without completely nurfballing all of Lestat's power, we have to assume that Lestat was broken enough to continue in the sham of a trial for weeks, choosing not to communicate with Louis and Claudia at all. This is a very large bridge to cross. And I KNOW the writers are thinking about this themselves. Brace yourselves, book readers. It is not going to go how you think it will. The show has ALREADY strayed from the books. What makes people think that the writers are going to be 100% faithful when it comes to this piece? These same Lestat defender/book fans were out here between Season 1 and Season 2 basically saying that the fight between Louis and Lestat didn't happen and that Lestat didn't drop Louis from the sky because it wasn't in the books. They SWORE up and down that is was a planted memory from Armand. Now how do they look? DUMB. Because not only did Lestat drop Louis from the sky, the writers had Lestat double-down on it and admit it was fucked up that he did it. Anyone that uses the book as something to defend this guy when the writers have strayed from the books already is foolish. Furthermore, trusting the writers to do what you want them to do at face value is ALSO crazy. They don't know how their works and words are going to come off to the audience. They didn't think Lestat's dropping Louis from the sky was going to be as big a deal to the audience as it has been. They didn't think Claudia's SA was going to be as big an issue as it has been. They make miscalculations ALL THE TIME. And they say one thing and then the show viewers can see a scene and interpret it a different way. That is how art works. The people that use the books to argue are the WORST. They feel no qualm spoiling things in their need to defend this character when the truth is they are in the dark about some of this stuff, too. They are HOPING the show follows the books when in actuality, the writer can stray from it because they want to make a more complex figure. They have already done that when it comes to Lestat.
@@fizzychizzy I agree, I think the books should only be used as a form of character study, not for the plot points. Obviously the show changed a lot of plot points, but characters feel true to their nature in the show even if the situations they are in are changed. For instance, Lestat doesn’t drop Louis from the sky in the book, but I can definitely see how Lestat’s character WOULD do something like this based on his characterization from the novels if that makes sense. I think the main issue with book readers is that they fundamentally misunderstand the characters while the writers of the show clearly take their novel counterpart’s characterization very seriously, if this makes sense
No one is reading all that. And no, you don't know if Lestat could opt out of the trial, remember they also had a bone to pick with him for Dipping out the first time.
thank you for having the courage to fight back against these lestat apologists, being on iwtvtwt made me believe i was legit going crazy for thinking lestat was a villain
the lestat apologists are the most annoying people on the internet. actually no, the book readers in general because they refuse to accept that the show and the book are 2 different things. they start arguing with your commentary about the show by talking about shit that happens in the books that do not happen in the show. I can't emphasize enough how much I hate that section of the IWTV audience.
it’s funny when people say “louis is not a reliable character” to try to justify lestat’s actions considering louis’ own trauma/biases/selfishness may blind him from seeing the whole truth sometimes- because ok, fine lets say that’s so. but then what suddenly makes lestat the “reliable” narrator? why is his version of past events considered more reliable than louis’ (or claudia’s) as if lestat himself doesn’t have his own traumas/biases/selfishness that may distort his memories?
(On the possibility that we don't actually know for sure yet IF that was what he crossed the ocean to do or not. That's where the defense for that is, possibly.) Louis said that was why Lestat had crossed the ocean, but Lestat himself never confirmed nor denied it either way, much like Lestat had[ at that same particular point in time] also never confirmed nor denied that Armand had been the one to change Louis' sentencing to banishment. So..if Lestat was willing to let Louis believe that Lestat would've just let Louis receive the same sentence as Claudia had, then why wouldn't Lestat also let Louis believe that Lestat had crossed an ocean just to rehearse a play to condemn his fledglings too, even regardless of whether that was the actual truth of it or not? .... But, don't get me wrong, I actually agree completely that if it *_WAS_* why Lestat crossed the ocean then there's zero defense for it; and I agree many of my fellow book fans are ridiculous for being upset that tv-only viewers[ or others] are reacting based more on the information the tv series provides rather than based on anything presented in the books that may or may not actually be as applicable to the tv series as in the books[ because there are reasons to be reluctant to dole out our condemnations yet until we've seen how certain things do or don't actually play out on screen based on book knowledge that tv-only viewers simply don't have as incentive to curb their judgments at all]...and even in the books, especially in books further into the series than the third book[ which not every book fan has read at all or liked as well as they liked one or more of the first three books], Lestat is still not a perfectly forgivable or heroic type character even though he is almost exclusively the POV protagonist for most the book series. Personally, I actually suspect that the tv show's creators may have made Lestat drop Louis from the sky specifically to try and combat those book fans too willing to excuse Lestat yet condemn every other character for even less because many of those particular type of book-fans specifically excuse Lestat on the basis that Lestat[ in the books] has certain characters Lestat would never cross the same lines with that Lestat would cross with other characters. I think maybe the tv show's creators wanted to show that Lestat would cross those lines, full stop, to try and make it clearer that Lestat is not actually more forgivable than the other non-POV characters-that Lestat is just as, if not even more, complicated and messed up as any other vampire in this series is...and that it's okay to either love him, OR hate him, OR have impossibly tangled-up / mixed feelings about him that you don't really even know quite how to begin to parse out clearly which means different individuals may inevitably parse things out a little bit differently from one to another. Buut maybe that's just me. IDEKK. 🙂 🤷🤷♀️🤷🏻♂️
@@olavihekandjo2928 Maybe they wouldn’t have tried to kill him if he didn’t threaten to kill Claudia first for just wanting to leave. He brought it on himself, yet still wants to punish them for how they reacted to his abuse. But that’s his character-he’s an awful person.
I really wish other book readers would chill and let people who are new to the fandom enjoy these stories one at a time. On it's own Lestat is the villain of Interview With The Vampire, he just is. And if you want to talk about Anne Rice talk about how she never planned to write multiple books and Lestat just was the villain until The Vampire Lestat came out ten years later. I say this as someone who loves, Lestat and has read most of the books, long term readers chill. People are going to have different opinions than you. They may see TVL season, everything else and still decide Lestat's an ass, a villain and they don't like him. They have that right just like you have your right to love the character and think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
My thoughts exactly as someone who’s in the process of reading the first book. The moral grayness of the other characters doesn’t erase the fact that Lestat is an abuser and a villain. A great villain who makes the franchise what it is but still a villain. In the original, Louis is a literal slave owner but still remains a victim of abuse.
@@Candyohh Different people can sometimes feel very differently about exactly how same or different tv!Lestat versus book!Lestat actually is or is not, though.
I completely agree with this! Like... I get the urge to want to discuss all the ins and outs of the different lights things can or can't be viewed in all depending on exactly how far or how closely the tv series does or doesn't keep things with the books moving forward and such. But we really can't [rightly ]fault other people for either lacking that expanded knowledge or just not caring, either way, and thus only interacting instead with the tv series and its characters/events/whatever based exclusively on the lights things are depicted in within the tv series itself. 😊 But it can be difficult to know sometimes when people ask questions like "what could possibly justify [x] or [y] or [z]" or whatever and are genuinely welcoming any possible answers OR when people are asking that and only really asking it just purely rhetorically....and they honestly don't want to interact with any answers except whatever the tv series itself and/or their own mind itself might or might not give.
@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 I dunno about all that. However. The show is about as the same as the book as Game of thrones was to its source material, less so in actuality. Anne's work was complete in the sense of the major origin story and conceptualization of the world building of all major characters as Game of thrones is still on ongoing dumpster fire. I used GOTs as a reference only... "interview" is its own completely different story and has as much in common with its source material as GOTs does.
I also love Armand but BECAUSE he's a disgusting gremlin. People need to learn how to love these characters for who they actually are and take off those rose tinted glasses. The story is so much more engaging when you let the characters be complex and morally grey / evil. Claudia deserved better all around
@@olavihekandjo2928As Ty states in the video: In order to have a fun or interesting discussion regarding this characters and their morality, we simply have to accept eating people as inherent in their nature as vampires (amoral) But I can tell that you’re not too interested in having a fun discussion so sure yeah lol
what got me about lestat, deadass from day one, was the way he was seemingly incapable of recognising the gravity of racism IN THE 1910s. our introduction to him was him literally, admittedly unintentionally, microaggressing louis, and even after realising how it came off, he felt it was enough for him to clarify he didn't think of himself as above louis bcos of his race, not apologising once. their introduction to each other rlly set the tone for their relationship, cos from that point lestat never took the racism that louis faced, nor louis' reactions to them, seriously. he was so dismissive of louis feelings, and perspectives, and even thoughts, it made me so angry to watch. and then the abuse, which was the nail in the coffin for me. there was really no coming back from that.
he deadass went "a jiggaboo, allowed in this fine establishment?" the first time he talked to Louis but acts stupid whenever the topic is aroused. Unserious
Tbf, it was the 1910s-people hadn't really gotten around to dissecting racism in a micro scale yet, they were still very much thinking of and dealing with or addressing racism on a specifically very much macro scale. And Lestat wasn't being dismissive of Louis' feelings or thoughts specifically because Louis was black, Lestat was dismissive of Louis' feelings and thoughts and etcetera because they were too human and Lestat doesn't really seem to personally believe that vampires should burden themselves with human thoughts/feelings just because they used to be human. (I'm NOT saying that makes it actually ok, I'm just saying that kinda does explain it-explain, but not necessarily excuse it totally, if even at all.)
Lestat fans can’t handle conversations about his terrible actions. It’s always “but Armand is worse!” or “but Louis and Claudia are also bad!” like the conversation isn’t about them and yikes😐
They are all bad. If anything it seems Lestat fans know his bad bur you guys refuse to judge the other characters by the same morals. For one, they are all killers. Why is lestat being an abuser to a killer worse than Louis demanding Lestat kill Antoinette? How is that not abuse as well? A review in their Lestat is a villain essay literally said "who cares about Antoinette"... wasn't she someone?
@ All of the characters being bad is irrelevant, as the argument is not that Lestat is the ONLY bad person. No one ever said that the other characters aren’t bad… Lestat is terrible and it’s not a crime to point that out, and just because “all of the characters are bad!” doesn’t mean it’s not worth talking about Lestats awful abuse. Other characters being bad doesn’t absolve him of anything he’s done. The horrible things he did don’t become irrelevant because Louis and Claudia did bad things as well. He was the abuser in their situation. I don’t understand what Louis wanting to kill Antoinette has to do with this? No one ever said Louis was a good person, and him wanting another character dead isn’t a good example of how he’s somehow just as bad as Lestat because Lestat has killed far more humans than Louis, he even killed a random person and pretending they were Antoinette.
At this point I would not be surprised if somebody says Armand made Lestat dropped Louis from the sky lol people say they want a gothic story but are not ready when their fave character does sth wrong
I appreciate your videos so much because they put everything I feel about this character in another perspective. And for one note, the character calls himself evil, he wasn't the best guy around but he wanted to be good, good in something and a good for someone but it was all stolen from him and he's now in this situation he enjoys and gets repulsed of his evilness. I sometimes don't think people.read the same books. I can understand they are under the spell but I can't stand with the attacks, grow up! I'm glad I'm out of the discussions and only enjoy the memes.
The spoilers are getting genuinely annoying. I want to be able to have a discussion about the show without people constantly jumping to spoiling smaller or larger events that have already been set up in the latter end of season 2 for season 3 without ANY warning, knowing very well not everyone plans on reading the book right now and would rather have the show be their first introduction to this story. These people are insufferable.
Well ya but the show is not a 1x1 adaptation, the show runners used the books as a single episode jumping off point I don't think the source material matters all that much
not to be rude but get over it, book readers know maybe 1.3% of the future due to sheer luck. if you feel spoiled that's unlucky but you definitely weren't
If you're talking about the trial... there are so many clues in episode7 that I'm not sure it can be considered a spoiler, if about anything else, they have changed so much from the books that it's not a spoiler anyway don't worry lol People are still definitely wrong in doing that, but it's to be expected if you actively engage with the fandom... people spoil shit that came out 2 days ago, books that have been out for decades are bound to be discussed
calm, is annoying but understand that our fandom was more a book fandom than a show fandom, we were a very small one, we felt very free and forgot about simple manners like "holding spoilers"
Loove this. I honestly don't get people's need to have their faves be "good", "moral" or "reedemable", their actions don't reflect on you lmao. I promise you, it's ok to like a fictional villain regardless or because of their shittyness. Lestat, Armand and fucking Hannibal Lecter are some of my favourite characters and you'll never catch me defending them lol yea, they're monsters, that's one of the aspect's that makes them fun. It's like picking the evil choices in videogames, get over yourselves lmao
Legit, your statement about not caring what the writers or actors say is so relatable, because I say that all the time! Like I literally don't care what the creators' interpretation was; the thing is made now! It's out there! Or, to put it more mildly, I care what the creators say on the same level that I care what any other analyzer or theorist says.
I'm a Lestat fan, but I did not understand the vitriol on twitter over your video. Lestat was an abuser, and he was season 1's main villain plain and simple. While I've read the books, getting a more nuanced understanding of Lestat’s character and why he does the things he does - I wouldn't really use it as a 'gotcha' moment considering we have no idea what the show plans to adapt. But it wouldn't change the horrors of his actions regardless. It's been very embarrassing watching other Lestat fans treating show-only watchers like idiots because they haven't spoiled themselves lmfao.
I didn’t realize I was getting hate on twitter before a few hours ago when someone else mentioned it. And I’m not gonna go out of my way to find it-I’m not a masochist and I don’t seek out negativity lol. They’re screaming into the void. I truly do not care. 😂 But thank you for understanding me!
For the best! As much as I love the fan content on twitter, the discourse is often an echo chamber full of bad faith takes. Your lestat vid is on the chopping block today, unfortunately. Really glad I decided to watch your videos. Very well-thought out and a fair analysis.
@@SaidByTy i unapologetically love lestat but your takes are totally correct. honestly everyone in anne rice’s books are kind of horrible. but they’re entertaining and i guess that’s the point.
To be fair.... I'm not sure if people thought you would hate S3 because you hate Lestat too much to enjoy him as the primary/focal character .. or if they think you might hate S3 & onward because the show itself could end up basically trying to justify/excuse Lestat's behaviors very similarly to how the fans you're complaining about often enough do, since that's kinda/sorta what the later books in the series do themselves... (Although that may or may not even differ from one commenter to another, it's difficult to say.....) But, yeah, unfortunately many people do lack critical thinking enough to separate understanding a character's own internal motivations or thought processes or whatsuch versus necessarily actually agreeing that those motives or thought processes were actually totally correct at every possible moment. But considering that most people lack the critical thinking necessary to assess their own logical reasoning or motivations whilst considering the possibility that they themselves might not always be absolutely correct about everything all the time either, that is unfortunately not really surprising, sadly. I make no apologies for TV!Lestat, myself-although I do extend a modicum of grace to some[ though certainly not all] Lestat apologists, but don't get me wrong I'm not saying I completely absolve them either.
this was needed bc some lost the plot of the other video😭 i jokingly called armand bbg and some1 said "armand, who lynched a black girl, is ur bbg?" gagged me ngl
What’s wild is the person mad at the bbg Armand comment is probably a Lestat stan. They talk about how awful Armand was to Claudia, but don’t care about Lestat choking her or weaponizing her SA against her during the train conversation 🤦🏾♀️
Honestly some books fans are just stupid and annoying, especially some hardcore Lestat fans, IWTV is literally the beginning of the discussion about duality between human and predator and the morality of vampires as monsters, that's why is so interesting, it's not about my favorite character, "look how beautiful he is" and "he didn't do anything wrong" also no one has an obligation to know the story beyond what is shown in the media they are consuming, I thought that was common sense Lestat is literally the villain of the first book and the series shows exactly that, a lot of people like him because Anne liked him, because he was the only character she chose to develop with any affection, AFTER iwtv. For example, Louis finally became a good character who won over a lot of people in the series and is finally seen as a serious character, because the writers wrote him better than Anne, look what happens when you develop a character, beyond just a philosophical concept. Don't get me wrong i love lestat but i have critical thinking. stop trying to make him a unanimous figure, it doesn't even suit him lol These people love to brag about liking the superior "vampire media", but they act like a bunch of whining teenage Twilight fans.
As a lestat fan your right I think a lot of us book fans confuse book lestat and show lestat they are different because book lestat would never drop Louis like that and show lestat may not have the same justifications as book lestat let’s all just enjoy the show for what it is and see what season three has installed for us
Speak on it ! Stand on your bussiness ! Good point bringing up Bruce. There are gradations of evil in this show, and that mf is worse than everyone combined. This is why "theyre all monsters, theyre all equally bad" in a series like this doesnt apply. Its a copout for many who cant stand critical thinking and criticism
You stand on buisness and i respect it man. Especially in a fandom that will kick your ass if you say anything even kind of mean about lestat. Hell even you directly quote the *books* you get dislikes, downvotes, harassment ect.
This reminds me how in certain anime fandoms, ahem Berserk and Jujutsu Kaisen, that people will argue and bully others who have unpopular opinions or another perspective about the material. Like, I finished the well regarded Golden Age Arc recently, and Idk if I will ever put my thoughts out there because I know Berserk fans would tell me that "I read the manga with my eyes closed." No, I didn't! The end of the arc crashed and burned, Casca is one of the worst written female characters like ever and is fetishized all the time (it's disturbing), and there are better mangas out there. However, if I said any of this in those spaces, I would have the Strugglers coming for me and harassing me 😂
Idk if you said it on your last video but i highly recommend for all the Lestat fan girlies to go and play Baldurs Gate 3, you have players choice if you want to fix him your love u can do what, you want him to be worse and be your Dom, you can also do that lol
I didn't know there was even a show, but I loved Lestat in the books. I understand the love and hate for him. Anyway, I love your attitude, and that kept me watching.
i came here cause this video was making rounds on twt lmao but yaa lets goo. fundamental problem with this fandom ( and so many fandoms these days) is the stanning of characters! i beg you all to just consume the show! stop stanning characters to the extent that even viewing the show is a game of "how do i defend my fav?" it is a weird notion and literally ruins the experience for everyone. "oh you dislike lestat, so you must like armand" is such a foolish juvenile and silly sentiment to have! although i personally rank lestat and armand differently from you, i have to strongly agree with the degrees of evil! i was thrown off by armand being lesser evil for you, but honestly understand what you mean. lestat adds on a level of betrayal that comes from trust built on their relationship (for both louis and claudia). i have seen people call all of them equally toxic and evil as if anything louis did to those in his close proximity is ever comparable lol. he IS fucked up but you cannot convince me a racially motivated crime or domestic violence is just the same. the trial does drop significant hints of lestat's reluctance but as an unaware viewer I am not sure how many can easily come to the conclusion of lestat being forced. its okay wherever you land, but do not bring up the books and ruin everyone's experience here (saying as a book reader). if you want to make someone see the point, just refer to the fucking ep man, there are so many scenes you could use. strongly believe that "its a gothic romance" is just a way to look away from the racial abuse on the show and continue without critically taking a position. because it really should not piss off people the way it did to call an abuser that. i personally root for loustat for many reasons, but i cannot force op or anyone else to consume the show just like me or worse, ask them to stop engaging altogether lmao. what makes you all think you are the only person that can have an opinion. it is one thing to respectfully present points butttt (not to mention, how many white people are speaking over op rn dismissing everything else). any statement in the form of "i cant wait to see lestat haters in s3" is vile. framing people as lestat haters is already so corny but just because he is s3 protagonist, so what??? so many of you just want the black lead arc to be done with so you can forget the abuse, racism and bigotry that forces you to reevaluate lestat. (if you do not do this, do not apply it lol). ik there are those in the fandom who are just miserable with how they perceive lestat, i have seen that. it is not about that btw. it is extremely frustrating when i know a white person is behind that kind of comment too. hiding behind the "its vampire media" to say wtv you want is not gonna work. either use your brain or shut up. the response to "you can't look at it from human lens-" is killing me lmao exactly??? but also, do they realise that its literally a talking point santiago used in the trial... just dumb on all levels. i personally understand lestat, he frustrates me as much as i love him. i do not expect those who dislike him for his canon actions to have same position as me, thats ridiculous. in all, it is so lame to spread things around in your gcs and act like some gang leader for getting some likes on twt. i cannot stress how corny and groan inducing all of this discourse surrounding a video is. just icky
ppl who dont think lestat is EVIL did nawt watch that show lmao. im not an sympathiser im an enjoyer. like yeah he is evil and i looove that, makes the show better imo. i dont get ppl who think u cant like a character just cause they r morally shit
Are people getting pressed and telling someone not to watch a show because they don't like a character? People can be critical and dissect their favorite shows. I love Lestat as a character, but he's also terrible.
This video is a great add on to the first one! I’m one of the “arguers” in the last video, I HATE Lestat for what he’s done and I basically said then that I “don’t understand the hate Lestat got for the play, because Armand basically tried to kill all three of them” I have never read the books myself but it felt obvious (at least to me) that Lestat was way too sad after Claudia died to want that anyway, so I meant no spoilers since I honestly wouldn’t know but wether or not he did or did not WANT to do the play he is still the biggest bitch ever and I apologize if you felt angry or frustrated at my comment before because I did not mean that at all I just wanted to know more about your opinion of the play because I didn’t fully understand your pov but this video cleared it up for me!
@@SaidByTyof course!! Debates are made to change/give insight into each other’s views, if we don’t learn from our points then we’d just be arguing (looking at the lestans 🤣) I’m just happy you didn’t take it the wrong way 🫶
Calling book readers who spoil plot points “inconsiderate dweebs” literally made me laugh out loud 😂 Using the books to justify Lestat’s behavior when the tv show has changed so much already doesn’t really make sense, but at least add a spoiler warning if you are going down that road. It’s so incredibly easy to just add a spoiler warning in their comments and they just refuse to. I love the show, but don’t interact with the fandom much because of the types of people this video is about.
I hate the lestat apologists in this fandom so much. Everything you said was pure facts. Thank you so much for your videos. Dont let these freaks get to you
I'm so grateful for his videos. Glad someone keeping it real with those idiots. And it comes from a long time Vampire Chronicles fan who read all the books and loves the movie and the show (especially the show).
Lmfao I wish people would just be honest and admit that yes Lestat is the villain and they still like him because they think he’s hot like girl people love villains all the time why y’all gotta try to sanctify him he’s a mass murderer and abuser and if you still like him go off you have free will but bffr 😂
Just let people like or not like people/characters, damn. Do I like Lestat? Absolutely. Love him tbh. Do I think he’s absolutely terrible? Yes, absolutely. I fucking hated him so badly by the end of season 1 it took me 4 episodes of season 2 to even start watching the show again bc I didn’t want to see him he triggered me that bad. The trial definitely turned me around to him, if only bc the absolute BETRAYAL of Armand left me with whiplash. But he’s still a villain yall, damn. It’s okay, you can still love a character even if they are terrible 😂🤍
It’s so infuriating because the most fascinating thing about lestat is his monstrous actions. You take the teeth out of him and not only does the story mean nothing, you end up with a useless, boring character! His evil is fucking central to the whole thing…..
Im deeply in love with Lestat but i also acknowledge that he's a bad person and will always be one no matter what i also am deeply in love with Armand and know hes a bad person I would never make excuses for the things they did
I agree with a lot of your points, including that Lestat remains as the prime antagonist, but I do not think you took the right approach on this video. Being rude as a response to people being rude is counterproductive. Spècially when you realize and acknowledge that a lot of the authors of said comments are probably underage. You are free to do whatever you want, I just think is not the right approach. Hope to see your analysis of S03 ^^
I hear you, and submit to you that I simply no longer care for respectability politics. Frankly, I do not believe it’s my responsibility to be nice to teenagers who are interjecting into these conversations. See it as tough love, or a hard lesson in thinking before you speak. Idk. Appreciate the support anyway!
I’m only 7 minutes and I am LOVING you checking these condescending Lestat apologists! and I love the fact that you’re standing on your opinions and everything that you said! So refreshing! And I will never understand their argument that if you “don’t like him or you see him as the villain, then u can’t enjoy the show and should stop watching”…..huh? Makes no sense cuz many of us watch other shows with villains/antiheros as the main characters and we’re still able to enjoy the shows 🙄 And not all Lestat fans are like this, of course, I even like him as a character tbh….but the responses to your previous video were getting out of hand (here and on other sm platforms)
I love lestat but people shouldn’t need to try and absolve a character of all their crimes in order to like them. we should be able to acknowledge that he is a bad person
Idk why people are citing the books and ignoring that he and armand are both the VILLAINS of the first (and best and most critically acclaimed) book. They make his abuse more explicit so that Claudia doesn't come off as a petulant child and instead as a rational actor bc she's now got a 14 yo brain. The trajectory of the show IS a love story though 😶 not really sure how they're gonna pull it off🤞
In later books (The Vampire Lestat) Lestat said that Louis lies, misunderstood, or exaggerated actions in the book. Still Show Lestat shouldn’t be compared to book Lestat because Show Lestat is a clear villain in the show.
@@Shay45 So I haven't read the books and generally don't intend to (not because I think they'll be bad or anything! just have a TBR list a mile long already XD) but I wanted to ask something about your comment if that's okay. Is Lestat not depicted as an unreliable narrator too? I mean that both in the "every personal perspective is inherently biased" way but also, external factors that makes a recounting unreliable. Louis on the show is certainly shown to be both (though never to such an extent that discredits his narrative like I've seen some argue) so I'm just wondering if Lestat's perspective on what went down between them is painted with the same complexity around bias, narrative, and memory, etc., or if his retelling is just a more straightforward "speaking with the author's authority on canonicity" narration? P.S. tone is hard for me to gauge but I hope this isn't coming off as anything but genuinely curious ^_^
I still think that. I don’t believe him one bit when he said he didn’t have anything to do with it. Idk but I bet he was telepathically talking to Paul (who was already messed up in the mind) which led him to unAlive himself.
No, he did not. This has been confirmed by the writers, the showrunners, Sam Reid, and even Anne Rice herself said that Lestat had zilch to do with Paul's death. Paul was severely mentally ill long before Lestat came into the picture. Continuing to insist on something that is clearly not true is just full-on nutty.
I have read most of of the Vampire Chronicles and the Mayfair Witches series. There is plenty promatic shit in the books so holding them up as an example of Lestat's better morality is coocoo banana pants!
Saying he is a villian lacks nuance. Saying that any of them are villains lack nuance. I mean they are vampires , monsters and "damned" ...why is it a shock when monsters do monsterous things 🫠 we relate more to Louis because Louis was never comfortable with himself alive and he is not comfortable with himself in "death"/"vampirism. Lestat was true to his nature. It's a terrible nature. But I don't think this makes him a villian. He is just a vampire. I just feel like slapping a label on these characters prevents more conversations about the complexities of these characters. I find bad and good sides in all of them including Claudia.
@SaidByTy I understand that is reductive for you however that's what they are. They are grey characters. I would be disingenuous if I did not take into account their nature. I can't pretend to look at it any other way... Argh that's just my overthinking of these characters though. Not a fan of any of them, I try to understand them.
They have said time and time again that this is an adaption. Lestat is not the same Lestat from the books and even if he was he was still the villain in that book. He did awful things to Louis and Claudia to the point where Claudia saw no way out besides his death. Everything he did to Claudia in the show still stands past season 1 and it's like people have selective memory loss on his behaviour towards her and Louis. Not to mention the freaks claiming that Louis is emotionally abusive as if he had ANY power in that relationship. I feel crazy trying to explain myself sometimes. He's a great character to read and watch but that doesn't change that he is the villain in this story and that is something that people need to accept (insane because these are the same people that are like THEY'RE ALL EVIL and yet cry and vomit when you hate lestat for being said evil). Also...the point of gothic media isn't to absolve the themes of gothic media? The whole point of it is to be able to see different POVs because it's going to have blurred lines on morality, horror, and romance but that doesn't mean those themes aren't up for discussion. The show especially is HAND FEEDING YOU the themes and people still don't get it. I am convinced they had to add Santiago's line about "we're all monsters" only for Lestat to refute it at the trial because of the fans that say this kind of shit about the DV scene between Lestat and Louis. Anyways, great video as was the previous on the topic. These people get me heated and genuinely turned one of my favorite characters into this soft handed man-child that needs protection.
I couldn't agree more about Lestat being an evil POS. The fandom are mostly delusional fangirls obsessed with both the actor and character of Lestat. There is no reasoning with them. I went through this years ago with Vampire Diaries fanatic. Their obsession with hot psychotic serial killers is beyond insane. They'll gaslight you by saying it's just a tv show when you make valid points, but in their heads they're lusting over fictional character relationships. It's pathetic.
im here for this video. i remember when i first started watching IWTV was bc of a edit video showing off the fam of lestat, louis and claudia and their shenanigans and saw all the cutesie comments about them, until one comment pointed out how claud and lestat have a toxic mother-daughter relationship that made me intrigued to find out more. . . and hunny child, the first episode ALONE had me so confused as to who tf is leaving so many good comments about lestat on BEYONCE'S good internet?!!! it must be bots, cant convince me otherwise 🙉
The thing is... I genuinely believe that lestat *apologists* are a small but loud minority of his stans Like we know he did do all that shit lmao, we're not denying it😭 I just will never understand *hating* a character because of their actions, idk they're not real and they're entertaining lol I dont think I've ever hated a character fr The thing people get more mad about it the fact that he did so much horrible shit that its crazy to see people blame him for things he didn't even do💀
To me, if you can understand loving a character, you should fully be able to understand hating one. It’s fiction in both instances, but you’ll only get the response that I received on one side of that coin.
Again, the first two seasons are from Louis's POV and he's not the most trustworthy of narrators. Is Lestat a hero? Hell no, at least not if they stick anywhere near the source material, at best he's an anti-hero. Is he the villain in Louis's story, absolutely, but Louis is a liar.
And all we have is Louis’ POV until further notice. So are discussions just not supposed to happen due to that? I don’t understand why yall keep saying this as if I didn’t address the different perspectives thing in the beginning of the first video.
I like how you said you were going to essentially be gloves off or whatever with trying to be polite and such anymore-and yet, somehow, even when you were cussing you still managed to be ridiculously measured/reasonable and polite about it! 😂😂 I wish there were more people who could manage that in this world. Lol 🙂 💖💖💖
I LOVE Lestat, I've read several of the books... Your analysis of the show Lestat is 100% accurate lol This character is notoriously self centered with bouts of delusion, short sighted emotional impulses and a love for all things in this world, including evil and cruel things (clearly) I do not understand what people are even mad about-- your last video just stated his literal actions in the show hahaha here are a few quotes from the book: "My bitterness that I’m evil, that I don’t deserve to be loved and yet I need love hungrily." - Lestat “Do devils love each other? Do they walk arm in arm in hell saying, “Ah, you are my friend, how I love you,” things like that to each other?...it was a matter of a concept of evil, wasn’t it? All creatures in hell are supposed to hate one another, as all the saved hate the damned, without reservation.” - Lestat constantly referring to himself / embracing his role as a "devil." He loved Louis and Claudia but he probably also loved the cruelty he submitted them to, too (until he didn't) Lestat is fickle, this is crucial to understanding his character. Anyway, haters can stay hatin. Loved your vids.
I love Lestat and Armand because they're horrible-I know I'm toxic. So, when people try to paint them as some sort of saints, I know they're either literal children or just watch Lestat/Armand scene packs and can't handle real conversations about them or the show
I can't speak for other commenters, but when I mentioned in previous comments of mine how Armand had lied and other things for 70+ years, I wasn't trying to say that it was worse than anything Lestat had done-I was only trying to point out that Louis has had 70+ years to be aware of and/or work himself more toward forgiving Lestat's wrongdoings, whereas a lot of Armand's wrongs Louis is only just finding out about in the 2020s for the very first time some 70+ years later or such, so that is likely why Louis as a character might be at a point where Louis himself is more willing to forgive Lestat for greater wrongs and less willing to forgive Armand for lesser wrongs. Because time/distance can sometimes inaccurately dull how bad things seem like they were, while recency can sometimes inaccurately exaggerate how bad something seems like it is. It also might hurt more to be betrayed after 70+ yrs or to have built a 70+ yr long relationship on a false pretense than it felt to be betrayed after only less than 70 yrs and/or to have built a rocky relationship for less than 70 yrs that was pretty much always openly rocky-because even though there was a lot that Lestat didn't tell Louis, the one thing Lestat was pretty much always open about was Lestat's dangerous/volatile nature, regardless of how Lestat tried to excuse it with all Lestat's own various reasons for "why" such as the fact that he's a vampire or such. (If that makes sense.) But I was never trying to imply that meant that viewers should necessarily be as willing to forgive either character just because Louis is or isn't. 🙂
honey you didn’t analyze shit dude you actually looked at it from an extremely surface level point of view while also being massive hypocrite with your stance on armand ya know the guy who tried to murder louis and did murder claudia which by the way takes any ounce of legitimacy in what you think is a valid argument
Lol its not a spoiler. It was there in the final episode where they flashed back to Lestat practicing the play. He Clearly didnt want to be there. When Armand told him to rise out his chair, he hesitated and Armand repeated himself. Lol. So its there in that episode that Lestat didnt want to be a part of that play.
Since when is dropping a hint at something being a POSSIBILITY (because I can interpret that scene in a COMPLETELY different way) the same as outright saying “this is what happens”? There’s no way you actually think like this.
That wasnt a hint, because it was from no one's perspective.@@SaidByTy. That scene, is the only scene of flashbacks, that is told from the true point of view. No one was narrating that part. Thats scene is the actual story filling in a blank.
From my POV, you go on and on and on about a character you've only seen through others and have not heard his voice. I'm sure you know what is said about one who assumes.
Asking honestly, once Lestat tells his POV, does that make his version more true than Louis’ and/or Claudia’s? Once Lestat gives his version, all that would be is just another version of the same events (events that the real Lestat acknowledges in episode 2.7, btw) So I think we can empathize with Lestat (and maybe that empathy will grow once he gives his POV next season)….but that does not change the fact that he was abusive to Louis and Claudia (no matter the justifications he gives) And yes, most of us are aware of the saying “what happens when you assume”….but in the reactors defense, he says numerous times that his opinion is based on the show….and the show (up to this point) has shown us Lestat being an abuser. So it’s not an assumption to call him an abusive villain
Also from my understanding Anne didnt want Lestat and Louis to be seen as gay and was pissed at fans for interpreting them that way. She went as far as stopping them from writing fanfic. So after her death they made the show and did the opposite of what she wanted. So to even bring up the book when discussing the show is ironic...this wasn't even her vision. Not in the slightest so consume them as separate entities as you already said. Also race is absolutely why they have more empathy for certain characters. Tey can unpack that at their next therapy session.
? She based lestat and Louis off her husband and herself, they were meant to be gay. Yes she did have a homophobia but it didn’t last because her son turn out to be gay I believe. Yes what she did when it came to fanfic is amoral since no one deserves to be doxxed or sued for a piece of art made out of love. She was against fanfic because she based the book characters off herself and people close to her. I do think it’s redundant to mention lestat being absolved in the books though, since he is a very clear cut abuser in the first book. Us seeing his perspective in the next books doesn’t take away from the fact he isolated and abused both Louis and Claudia for decades. It’s just slightly different in the books because he does not psychically abuse, but I do believe him forcing them to stay for around 6 decades by dangling him teaching them some vampire knowledge over their head (and the fact Claudia cannot leave because she is dependent on the both of them since she is too young to be alone) to be honestly almost just as bad! Six decades!(sorry if this sounds too weird of a response. Not trying to be mean, I just didn’t understand the start of your comment here. You don’t have to read the books ofc it’s not important)
When she was alive she and helping with the show and it’s production. It was announced on her official website that she was. She wasn’t upset as people interpreting them as gay she was unhappy with the fanfictions. (She was against fanfictions) After her dead her gay son Christopher took over as correspondent for the show.
This is 100% false. They were ALWAYS meant to be a couple. Anne Rice repeatedly wrote them that way and said so herself. Misinterpreting the story this badly should render anything else you say about it null and void.
That you hate Lestat isnt an issue, it's that you expect everyone to hate Lestat as much as you do. Of the main characters, it's only Lestat's crimes you take seriously. Armand who killed Claudia or Louis who also physically abused her and neglects her are all deserving of understanding or get a pass (all based on the show only too lmao) The misogynoir and lack of media literacy is kicking your ass.
Another imbecile who didn’t watch the original video where I call Louis terrible, repeatedly, for his treatment of Claudia and NEVER excused it. And didn’t watch this one either because I clearly state you’re allowed to have your own opinions, I’m just giving mine. This is what I’m talking about with you guys. You’re projecting. Listen to comprehend-not to just have something to say.
why are you acting like he tied up all your limbs. If you like lestat then you like lestat, what is him critiquing a fictional white man gonna do about that realistically baby.
You can say you find them terrible all day it won't change your hypocrisy or the fact that you find their actions excusable as a result of their context, meaning you either dont understand the evil of their actions or you just dont care but you dont want to admit it because you are the same as a Lestat simp, only you are simp for Louis and Armand 😂 @@SaidByTy
@@crazylilcandygirl Get a grip. And he is right. Armand's actions at this point in the story with what the show has PRESENTED so far is way more justifiable than Lestat. He wasn't Claudia's maker. The rules of the coven is what he had been following for HOW LONG?? Furthermore, Armand REPEATEDLY told Louis to close his mind or that the coven was not happy that he refused to join with them. In that regard, Armand was open about letting Louis know about the hostility the coven had towards him until he wasn't. Armand had reason to be loyal to the coven over Louis and Claudia. Based on what the show has given us so far, what was Lestat's motivations? Doesn't make either of their actions good but ultimately, Armand does not have the same amount of loyalty or responsibility that Lestat should have.
Get a grip for calling out hypocrisy? You just went and justified everything Armand did, which is fine you think it's okay that he did it but by that same reasoning Lestat his 'reasons' too, you just dont like it and cant admit to the fact you dont have good reasons for trying to argue that Lestat is the main villian@@fizzychizzy
@@JaneDoe-qe9gu Friend, this is the same person whose comment I put in the intro of the video-the one who said I’m doing this for views and clout. I’m “obsessed” with Lestat, but these folks are obsessed with me. Funny, that.
HOES MAD 😜
Apparently I’m getting a lot of hate on twitter; haven’t seen it, and never WILL see it. I don’t go out of my way to see negative things about myself. Them losers can scream into the void all they want.
But on a real note, I won’t be making another video on this topic until the 3rd season airs. Inevitably, there will still be plenty of you who are irrationally upset that I dislike a fictional character, but that’s expected. Over 500 comments later from the initial hate video, and yall still haven’t convinced me that Lestat is deserving of any grace-and neither is Armand (I unfortunately have to add this cause many of you severely lack comprehension skills and think I’m his apologist. Lestat’s still worse though. Oop). Fair to say at this point, you simply won’t be able to convince me. So yall can argue amongst yourselves in the comments. Be mad and all that, but I still said what I said. I’ll sit back and wait to see what season 3 brings :)
Love those who love me. To the haters: keep crying lmao.
Everyone on Twitter is dumb asl and refuses to actually see a complex character for how they are. You said nothing wrong in your analysis of the show.
You nailed it.
Two thumbs way up👍👍
honestly most of them havent even watched the video and are going off the title and thumbnail alone, or second hand information
Naw I'm on lestats side even if he's the villain because he's the villain. And all the reason other lestats lovers use to defend him won't slip from my lips, I love him regardless of his wrong or his rights. Also just because we love this fictional character I don't think it should devolve into hate or negativity being thrown your way. We can agree to disagree.
Lestat was "married" to Louis for 30 years, and was Claudia's "dad" for 23 of those years. He was shitty at both roles. As part of the half-century fandom (read Book 1 as a teen in the Army), I applaud you...and not just because my grandson is also called Ty. All the show did was made me go, "Oh yeah. I never much liked bully Lestat on the page or in the movie!" I adore him as an enraging, outrageous character and he's absolutely essential to this story, but there's a reason Anne Rice got drunk for three weeks mourning her dead daughter, and furiously wrote her husband Stan as Lestat and herself as Louis. We can kinda see how fucked up her marriage must've been in 1973 San Francisco.
Forreal. I assume her marriage got better given the direction things take in the rest of the series, but yeah she basically felt as if Stan didn't love their daughter like she did. Later she realized they just mourned her differently.
I would judge her husband too harshly though. Anne Rice's antics throughout her career make me question her judgement and her choices.
Much appreciated. Shout out to your grandson 😊
Finishing the show then coming into the fandom space and seeing how many ppl tried to act like Lestat abuse towards Louis was justified was so jarring. The shit they come up with in an attempt to make Louis and Claudia the aggressor was when I knew these ppl are crazy. Its such a shame bc I really enjoyed the show but it’s rancid over there
The excitement I felt when I saw this thumbnail. I exclaimed aloud, "GET HIM!" And then I listened to the intro and exclaimed, "GET THEM!" Loved the last video, excited to keep watching this one.
LOL SAAAAAME 🎉
I respect you standing on your shit so much. It's always the same song and dance with #them, and even worse if they know you're black. They expect you to get in line or stay silent lmao. The fandom has a serious antiblackness problem. We need voices like yours over here!
Standing on business always over here 💯
LET TALK ABOUT THAT STUPID SPOILER: Fans of the books ARE THE WORST. They have NO IDEA if the show is going to just absolve Lestat of his involvement in the trial. There are a lot of moments where Lestat could have turned back and NOT gotten involved with the trial. Tons of moments. Without completely nurfballing all of Lestat's power, we have to assume that Lestat was broken enough to continue in the sham of a trial for weeks, choosing not to communicate with Louis and Claudia at all. This is a very large bridge to cross. And I KNOW the writers are thinking about this themselves. Brace yourselves, book readers. It is not going to go how you think it will.
The show has ALREADY strayed from the books. What makes people think that the writers are going to be 100% faithful when it comes to this piece?
These same Lestat defender/book fans were out here between Season 1 and Season 2 basically saying that the fight between Louis and Lestat didn't happen and that Lestat didn't drop Louis from the sky because it wasn't in the books. They SWORE up and down that is was a planted memory from Armand. Now how do they look? DUMB. Because not only did Lestat drop Louis from the sky, the writers had Lestat double-down on it and admit it was fucked up that he did it. Anyone that uses the book as something to defend this guy when the writers have strayed from the books already is foolish. Furthermore, trusting the writers to do what you want them to do at face value is ALSO crazy. They don't know how their works and words are going to come off to the audience. They didn't think Lestat's dropping Louis from the sky was going to be as big a deal to the audience as it has been. They didn't think Claudia's SA was going to be as big an issue as it has been. They make miscalculations ALL THE TIME. And they say one thing and then the show viewers can see a scene and interpret it a different way. That is how art works.
The people that use the books to argue are the WORST. They feel no qualm spoiling things in their need to defend this character when the truth is they are in the dark about some of this stuff, too. They are HOPING the show follows the books when in actuality, the writer can stray from it because they want to make a more complex figure. They have already done that when it comes to Lestat.
@@fizzychizzy I agree, I think the books should only be used as a form of character study, not for the plot points. Obviously the show changed a lot of plot points, but characters feel true to their nature in the show even if the situations they are in are changed. For instance, Lestat doesn’t drop Louis from the sky in the book, but I can definitely see how Lestat’s character WOULD do something like this based on his characterization from the novels if that makes sense. I think the main issue with book readers is that they fundamentally misunderstand the characters while the writers of the show clearly take their novel counterpart’s characterization very seriously, if this makes sense
No one is reading all that. And no, you don't know if Lestat could opt out of the trial, remember they also had a bone to pick with him for Dipping out the first time.
thank you for having the courage to fight back against these lestat apologists, being on iwtvtwt made me believe i was legit going crazy for thinking lestat was a villain
That was gaslighting you experienced ❤
I was straight up being gaslit by Lestat stans on Reddit lol the echochambers are insane
They move like the barbz 😭😭😭with how hard the defend him you’d think this was a man that actually exists in their life
@@devilishbri he probably does.. and thats why theyre brainwashed
@@UndercovershrinkhereOoooh 👀
the lestat apologists are the most annoying people on the internet. actually no, the book readers in general because they refuse to accept that the show and the book are 2 different things. they start arguing with your commentary about the show by talking about shit that happens in the books that do not happen in the show. I can't emphasize enough how much I hate that section of the IWTV audience.
Not Olay popping up in other ppl hate videos 🤣
it’s funny when people say “louis is not a reliable character” to try to justify lestat’s actions considering louis’ own trauma/biases/selfishness may blind him from seeing the whole truth sometimes- because ok, fine lets say that’s so. but then what suddenly makes lestat the “reliable” narrator? why is his version of past events considered more reliable than louis’ (or claudia’s) as if lestat himself doesn’t have his own traumas/biases/selfishness that may distort his memories?
"You crossed the ocean to rehearse a play to kill your daughter" Not sure where the defense is for that one?
(On the possibility that we don't actually know for sure yet IF that was what he crossed the ocean to do or not. That's where the defense for that is, possibly.) Louis said that was why Lestat had crossed the ocean, but Lestat himself never confirmed nor denied it either way, much like Lestat had[ at that same particular point in time] also never confirmed nor denied that Armand had been the one to change Louis' sentencing to banishment. So..if Lestat was willing to let Louis believe that Lestat would've just let Louis receive the same sentence as Claudia had, then why wouldn't Lestat also let Louis believe that Lestat had crossed an ocean just to rehearse a play to condemn his fledglings too, even regardless of whether that was the actual truth of it or not? .... But, don't get me wrong, I actually agree completely that if it *_WAS_* why Lestat crossed the ocean then there's zero defense for it; and I agree many of my fellow book fans are ridiculous for being upset that tv-only viewers[ or others] are reacting based more on the information the tv series provides rather than based on anything presented in the books that may or may not actually be as applicable to the tv series as in the books[ because there are reasons to be reluctant to dole out our condemnations yet until we've seen how certain things do or don't actually play out on screen based on book knowledge that tv-only viewers simply don't have as incentive to curb their judgments at all]...and even in the books, especially in books further into the series than the third book[ which not every book fan has read at all or liked as well as they liked one or more of the first three books], Lestat is still not a perfectly forgivable or heroic type character even though he is almost exclusively the POV protagonist for most the book series.
Personally, I actually suspect that the tv show's creators may have made Lestat drop Louis from the sky specifically to try and combat those book fans too willing to excuse Lestat yet condemn every other character for even less because many of those particular type of book-fans specifically excuse Lestat on the basis that Lestat[ in the books] has certain characters Lestat would never cross the same lines with that Lestat would cross with other characters. I think maybe the tv show's creators wanted to show that Lestat would cross those lines, full stop, to try and make it clearer that Lestat is not actually more forgivable than the other non-POV characters-that Lestat is just as, if not even more, complicated and messed up as any other vampire in this series is...and that it's okay to either love him, OR hate him, OR have impossibly tangled-up / mixed feelings about him that you don't really even know quite how to begin to parse out clearly which means different individuals may inevitably parse things out a little bit differently from one to another. Buut maybe that's just me. IDEKK. 🙂 🤷🤷♀️🤷🏻♂️
I'm sorry but did they not try to kill him? Why wouldn't he want revenge? Why is it a surprise that he would want revenge?
@@olavihekandjo2928 Maybe they wouldn’t have tried to kill him if he didn’t threaten to kill Claudia first for just wanting to leave. He brought it on himself, yet still wants to punish them for how they reacted to his abuse. But that’s his character-he’s an awful person.
I really wish other book readers would chill and let people who are new to the fandom enjoy these stories one at a time. On it's own Lestat is the villain of Interview With The Vampire, he just is. And if you want to talk about Anne Rice talk about how she never planned to write multiple books and Lestat just was the villain until The Vampire Lestat came out ten years later.
I say this as someone who loves, Lestat and has read most of the books, long term readers chill. People are going to have different opinions than you. They may see TVL season, everything else and still decide Lestat's an ass, a villain and they don't like him. They have that right just like you have your right to love the character and think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
My thoughts exactly as someone who’s in the process of reading the first book. The moral grayness of the other characters doesn’t erase the fact that Lestat is an abuser and a villain. A great villain who makes the franchise what it is but still a villain.
In the original, Louis is a literal slave owner but still remains a victim of abuse.
The character Lestat in the books is not the same Lestat in the show.
@@Candyohh Different people can sometimes feel very differently about exactly how same or different tv!Lestat versus book!Lestat actually is or is not, though.
I completely agree with this!
Like... I get the urge to want to discuss all the ins and outs of the different lights things can or can't be viewed in all depending on exactly how far or how closely the tv series does or doesn't keep things with the books moving forward and such. But we really can't [rightly ]fault other people for either lacking that expanded knowledge or just not caring, either way, and thus only interacting instead with the tv series and its characters/events/whatever based exclusively on the lights things are depicted in within the tv series itself. 😊
But it can be difficult to know sometimes when people ask questions like "what could possibly justify [x] or [y] or [z]" or whatever and are genuinely welcoming any possible answers OR when people are asking that and only really asking it just purely rhetorically....and they honestly don't want to interact with any answers except whatever the tv series itself and/or their own mind itself might or might not give.
@jaginaiaelectrizs6341
I dunno about all that.
However.
The show is about as the same as the book as Game of thrones was to its source material, less so in actuality.
Anne's work was complete in the sense of the major origin story and conceptualization of the world building of all major characters as Game of thrones is still on ongoing dumpster fire.
I used GOTs as a reference only... "interview" is its own completely different story and has as much in common with its source material as GOTs does.
I also love Armand but BECAUSE he's a disgusting gremlin. People need to learn how to love these characters for who they actually are and take off those rose tinted glasses. The story is so much more engaging when you let the characters be complex and morally grey / evil. Claudia deserved better all around
Why does she deserve better? What about the hundreds she killed?
@@olavihekandjo2928 She’s a vampire… they eat people….
@@olavihekandjo2928As Ty states in the video: In order to have a fun or interesting discussion regarding this characters and their morality, we simply have to accept eating people as inherent in their nature as vampires (amoral) But I can tell that you’re not too interested in having a fun discussion so sure yeah lol
what got me about lestat, deadass from day one, was the way he was seemingly incapable of recognising the gravity of racism IN THE 1910s. our introduction to him was him literally, admittedly unintentionally, microaggressing louis, and even after realising how it came off, he felt it was enough for him to clarify he didn't think of himself as above louis bcos of his race, not apologising once.
their introduction to each other rlly set the tone for their relationship, cos from that point lestat never took the racism that louis faced, nor louis' reactions to them, seriously. he was so dismissive of louis feelings, and perspectives, and even thoughts, it made me so angry to watch. and then the abuse, which was the nail in the coffin for me. there was really no coming back from that.
he deadass went "a jiggaboo, allowed in this fine establishment?" the first time he talked to Louis but acts stupid whenever the topic is aroused. Unserious
Tbf, it was the 1910s-people hadn't really gotten around to dissecting racism in a micro scale yet, they were still very much thinking of and dealing with or addressing racism on a specifically very much macro scale. And Lestat wasn't being dismissive of Louis' feelings or thoughts specifically because Louis was black, Lestat was dismissive of Louis' feelings and thoughts and etcetera because they were too human and Lestat doesn't really seem to personally believe that vampires should burden themselves with human thoughts/feelings just because they used to be human. (I'm NOT saying that makes it actually ok, I'm just saying that kinda does explain it-explain, but not necessarily excuse it totally, if even at all.)
Lestat fans can’t handle conversations about his terrible actions. It’s always “but Armand is worse!” or “but Louis and Claudia are also bad!” like the conversation isn’t about them and yikes😐
They are all bad. If anything it seems Lestat fans know his bad bur you guys refuse to judge the other characters by the same morals. For one, they are all killers. Why is lestat being an abuser to a killer worse than Louis demanding Lestat kill Antoinette? How is that not abuse as well?
A review in their Lestat is a villain essay literally said "who cares about Antoinette"... wasn't she someone?
@ All of the characters being bad is irrelevant, as the argument is not that Lestat is the ONLY bad person. No one ever said that the other characters aren’t bad…
Lestat is terrible and it’s not a crime to point that out, and just because “all of the characters are bad!” doesn’t mean it’s not worth talking about Lestats awful abuse. Other characters being bad doesn’t absolve him of anything he’s done. The horrible things he did don’t become irrelevant because Louis and Claudia did bad things as well. He was the abuser in their situation.
I don’t understand what Louis wanting to kill Antoinette has to do with this? No one ever said Louis was a good person, and him wanting another character dead isn’t a good example of how he’s somehow just as bad as Lestat because Lestat has killed far more humans than Louis, he even killed a random person and pretending they were Antoinette.
At this point I would not be surprised if somebody says Armand made Lestat dropped Louis from the sky lol people say they want a gothic story but are not ready when their fave character does sth wrong
oh, dont worry, because they have been saying that........These people crazy fr 🤦 anything to discredit louis as a dv victim
I appreciate your videos so much because they put everything I feel about this character in another perspective. And for one note, the character calls himself evil, he wasn't the best guy around but he wanted to be good, good in something and a good for someone but it was all stolen from him and he's now in this situation he enjoys and gets repulsed of his evilness. I sometimes don't think people.read the same books. I can understand they are under the spell but I can't stand with the attacks, grow up!
I'm glad I'm out of the discussions and only enjoy the memes.
The spoilers are getting genuinely annoying. I want to be able to have a discussion about the show without people constantly jumping to spoiling smaller or larger events that have already been set up in the latter end of season 2 for season 3 without ANY warning, knowing very well not everyone plans on reading the book right now and would rather have the show be their first introduction to this story. These people are insufferable.
Well ya but the show is not a 1x1 adaptation, the show runners used the books as a single episode jumping off point I don't think the source material matters all that much
Things that happened in the books actually are different than things that happened in the show
not to be rude but get over it, book readers know maybe 1.3% of the future due to sheer luck. if you feel spoiled that's unlucky but you definitely weren't
If you're talking about the trial... there are so many clues in episode7 that I'm not sure it can be considered a spoiler, if about anything else, they have changed so much from the books that it's not a spoiler anyway don't worry lol
People are still definitely wrong in doing that, but it's to be expected if you actively engage with the fandom... people spoil shit that came out 2 days ago, books that have been out for decades are bound to be discussed
calm, is annoying but understand that our fandom was more a book fandom than a show fandom, we were a very small one, we felt very free and forgot about simple manners like "holding spoilers"
Loove this. I honestly don't get people's need to have their faves be "good", "moral" or "reedemable", their actions don't reflect on you lmao. I promise you, it's ok to like a fictional villain regardless or because of their shittyness. Lestat, Armand and fucking Hannibal Lecter are some of my favourite characters and you'll never catch me defending them lol yea, they're monsters, that's one of the aspect's that makes them fun. It's like picking the evil choices in videogames, get over yourselves lmao
Legit, your statement about not caring what the writers or actors say is so relatable, because I say that all the time! Like I literally don't care what the creators' interpretation was; the thing is made now! It's out there! Or, to put it more mildly, I care what the creators say on the same level that I care what any other analyzer or theorist says.
exactly!
I'm a Lestat fan, but I did not understand the vitriol on twitter over your video. Lestat was an abuser, and he was season 1's main villain plain and simple. While I've read the books, getting a more nuanced understanding of Lestat’s character and why he does the things he does - I wouldn't really use it as a 'gotcha' moment considering we have no idea what the show plans to adapt. But it wouldn't change the horrors of his actions regardless.
It's been very embarrassing watching other Lestat fans treating show-only watchers like idiots because they haven't spoiled themselves lmfao.
I didn’t realize I was getting hate on twitter before a few hours ago when someone else mentioned it. And I’m not gonna go out of my way to find it-I’m not a masochist and I don’t seek out negativity lol. They’re screaming into the void. I truly do not care. 😂 But thank you for understanding me!
For the best! As much as I love the fan content on twitter, the discourse is often an echo chamber full of bad faith takes. Your lestat vid is on the chopping block today, unfortunately.
Really glad I decided to watch your videos. Very well-thought out and a fair analysis.
Why do I feel like majority of Lestat fans are the kinds of fans who are always in the wrong. Iykyk
Idk why his fans are even defending him like that. He’s obviously the villain, I thought we all knew you can like villains and admit what they are 😅
And the HOES CAN STAY MAD! AH!😜
im a lestat simp. I also totally agree with you. but I CAN FIX HIM OKAY
😂😂😂😂😂 the screamed I screamed 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@jamaicangirl8933 we just gotta be honest with ourselves 😂 i probably shouldn’t have read the books when i was in 7th grade.
PERIOD! This is the energy I respect ❤
@@SaidByTy i unapologetically love lestat but your takes are totally correct. honestly everyone in anne rice’s books are kind of horrible. but they’re entertaining and i guess that’s the point.
To be fair.... I'm not sure if people thought you would hate S3 because you hate Lestat too much to enjoy him as the primary/focal character .. or if they think you might hate S3 & onward because the show itself could end up basically trying to justify/excuse Lestat's behaviors very similarly to how the fans you're complaining about often enough do, since that's kinda/sorta what the later books in the series do themselves... (Although that may or may not even differ from one commenter to another, it's difficult to say.....)
But, yeah, unfortunately many people do lack critical thinking enough to separate understanding a character's own internal motivations or thought processes or whatsuch versus necessarily actually agreeing that those motives or thought processes were actually totally correct at every possible moment. But considering that most people lack the critical thinking necessary to assess their own logical reasoning or motivations whilst considering the possibility that they themselves might not always be absolutely correct about everything all the time either, that is unfortunately not really surprising, sadly.
I make no apologies for TV!Lestat, myself-although I do extend a modicum of grace to some[ though certainly not all] Lestat apologists, but don't get me wrong I'm not saying I completely absolve them either.
this was needed bc some lost the plot of the other video😭
i jokingly called armand bbg and some1 said "armand, who lynched a black girl, is ur bbg?"
gagged me ngl
Lmaooo 💀
What’s wild is the person mad at the bbg Armand comment is probably a Lestat stan. They talk about how awful Armand was to Claudia, but don’t care about Lestat choking her or weaponizing her SA against her during the train conversation 🤦🏾♀️
You broke the antics down perfectly.
Honestly some books fans are just stupid and annoying, especially some hardcore Lestat fans,
IWTV is literally the beginning of the discussion about duality between human and predator and the morality of vampires as monsters, that's why is so interesting, it's not about my favorite character, "look how beautiful he is" and "he didn't do anything wrong" also no one has an obligation to know the story beyond what is shown in the media they are consuming, I thought that was common sense
Lestat is literally the villain of the first book and the series shows exactly that, a lot of people like him because Anne liked him, because he was the only character she chose to develop with any affection, AFTER iwtv. For example, Louis finally became a good character who won over a lot of people in the series and is finally seen as a serious character, because the writers wrote him better than Anne, look what happens when you develop a character, beyond just a philosophical concept.
Don't get me wrong i love lestat but i have critical thinking. stop trying to make him a unanimous figure, it doesn't even suit him lol
These people love to brag about liking the superior "vampire media", but they act like a bunch of whining teenage Twilight fans.
i promise there is a way to be a fan of lestat in a normal human way lol! he is inherently the villain, they all are. theyre monsters. its chill.
As a lestat fan your right I think a lot of us book fans confuse book lestat and show lestat they are different because book lestat would never drop Louis like that and show lestat may not have the same justifications as book lestat let’s all just enjoy the show for what it is and see what season three has installed for us
Speak on it ! Stand on your bussiness ! Good point bringing up Bruce. There are gradations of evil in this show, and that mf is worse than everyone combined. This is why "theyre all monsters, theyre all equally bad" in a series like this doesnt apply. Its a copout for many who cant stand critical thinking and criticism
You stand on buisness and i respect it man. Especially in a fandom that will kick your ass if you say anything even kind of mean about lestat. Hell even you directly quote the *books* you get dislikes, downvotes, harassment ect.
Insanity
This reminds me how in certain anime fandoms, ahem Berserk and Jujutsu Kaisen, that people will argue and bully others who have unpopular opinions or another perspective about the material. Like, I finished the well regarded Golden Age Arc recently, and Idk if I will ever put my thoughts out there because I know Berserk fans would tell me that "I read the manga with my eyes closed." No, I didn't! The end of the arc crashed and burned, Casca is one of the worst written female characters like ever and is fetishized all the time (it's disturbing), and there are better mangas out there. However, if I said any of this in those spaces, I would have the Strugglers coming for me and harassing me 😂
Idk if you said it on your last video but i highly recommend for all the Lestat fan girlies to go and play Baldurs Gate 3, you have players choice if you want to fix him your love u can do what, you want him to be worse and be your Dom, you can also do that lol
I didn't know there was even a show, but I loved Lestat in the books. I understand the love and hate for him. Anyway, I love your attitude, and that kept me watching.
In the show he is SO bad.
Watch the show, it's so good! The best show in existence, and I mean it!
I love the show, so I definitely recommend it. Happy to hear I captured your attention.
i came here cause this video was making rounds on twt lmao but yaa lets goo. fundamental problem with this fandom ( and so many fandoms these days) is the stanning of characters! i beg you all to just consume the show! stop stanning characters to the extent that even viewing the show is a game of "how do i defend my fav?" it is a weird notion and literally ruins the experience for everyone. "oh you dislike lestat, so you must like armand" is such a foolish juvenile and silly sentiment to have!
although i personally rank lestat and armand differently from you, i have to strongly agree with the degrees of evil! i was thrown off by armand being lesser evil for you, but honestly understand what you mean. lestat adds on a level of betrayal that comes from trust built on their relationship (for both louis and claudia). i have seen people call all of them equally toxic and evil as if anything louis did to those in his close proximity is ever comparable lol. he IS fucked up but you cannot convince me a racially motivated crime or domestic violence is just the same.
the trial does drop significant hints of lestat's reluctance but as an unaware viewer I am not sure how many can easily come to the conclusion of lestat being forced. its okay wherever you land, but do not bring up the books and ruin everyone's experience here (saying as a book reader). if you want to make someone see the point, just refer to the fucking ep man, there are so many scenes you could use.
strongly believe that "its a gothic romance" is just a way to look away from the racial abuse on the show and continue without critically taking a position. because it really should not piss off people the way it did to call an abuser that. i personally root for loustat for many reasons, but i cannot force op or anyone else to consume the show just like me or worse, ask them to stop engaging altogether lmao. what makes you all think you are the only person that can have an opinion. it is one thing to respectfully present points butttt (not to mention, how many white people are speaking over op rn dismissing everything else).
any statement in the form of "i cant wait to see lestat haters in s3" is vile. framing people as lestat haters is already so corny but just because he is s3 protagonist, so what??? so many of you just want the black lead arc to be done with so you can forget the abuse, racism and bigotry that forces you to reevaluate lestat. (if you do not do this, do not apply it lol). ik there are those in the fandom who are just miserable with how they perceive lestat, i have seen that. it is not about that btw. it is extremely frustrating when i know a white person is behind that kind of comment too. hiding behind the "its vampire media" to say wtv you want is not gonna work. either use your brain or shut up.
the response to "you can't look at it from human lens-" is killing me lmao exactly??? but also, do they realise that its literally a talking point santiago used in the trial... just dumb on all levels.
i personally understand lestat, he frustrates me as much as i love him. i do not expect those who dislike him for his canon actions to have same position as me, thats ridiculous.
in all, it is so lame to spread things around in your gcs and act like some gang leader for getting some likes on twt. i cannot stress how corny and groan inducing all of this discourse surrounding a video is. just icky
I enjoyed reading your perspective. Thanks :)
ppl who dont think lestat is EVIL did nawt watch that show lmao. im not an sympathiser im an enjoyer. like yeah he is evil and i looove that, makes the show better imo. i dont get ppl who think u cant like a character just cause they r morally shit
Exactly this. Love him. That’s fine. But the excuses are what kill me lol.
Are people getting pressed and telling someone not to watch a show because they don't like a character? People can be critical and dissect their favorite shows. I love Lestat as a character, but he's also terrible.
This video is a great add on to the first one! I’m one of the “arguers” in the last video, I HATE Lestat for what he’s done and I basically said then that I “don’t understand the hate Lestat got for the play, because Armand basically tried to kill all three of them” I have never read the books myself but it felt obvious (at least to me) that Lestat was way too sad after Claudia died to want that anyway, so I meant no spoilers since I honestly wouldn’t know but wether or not he did or did not WANT to do the play he is still the biggest bitch ever and I apologize if you felt angry or frustrated at my comment before because I did not mean that at all I just wanted to know more about your opinion of the play because I didn’t fully understand your pov but this video cleared it up for me!
Thank you for taking the time, and putting forth an effort to understand ❤
@@SaidByTyof course!! Debates are made to change/give insight into each other’s views, if we don’t learn from our points then we’d just be arguing (looking at the lestans 🤣) I’m just happy you didn’t take it the wrong way 🫶
Calling book readers who spoil plot points “inconsiderate dweebs” literally made me laugh out loud 😂 Using the books to justify Lestat’s behavior when the tv show has changed so much already doesn’t really make sense, but at least add a spoiler warning if you are going down that road. It’s so incredibly easy to just add a spoiler warning in their comments and they just refuse to.
I love the show, but don’t interact with the fandom much because of the types of people this video is about.
I hate the lestat apologists in this fandom so much. Everything you said was pure facts. Thank you so much for your videos. Dont let these freaks get to you
I'm so grateful for his videos. Glad someone keeping it real with those idiots. And it comes from a long time Vampire Chronicles fan who read all the books and loves the movie and the show (especially the show).
Lmfao I wish people would just be honest and admit that yes Lestat is the villain and they still like him because they think he’s hot like girl people love villains all the time why y’all gotta try to sanctify him he’s a mass murderer and abuser and if you still like him go off you have free will but bffr 😂
Just let people like or not like people/characters, damn.
Do I like Lestat? Absolutely. Love him tbh.
Do I think he’s absolutely terrible? Yes, absolutely.
I fucking hated him so badly by the end of season 1 it took me 4 episodes of season 2 to even start watching the show again bc I didn’t want to see him he triggered me that bad. The trial definitely turned me around to him, if only bc the absolute BETRAYAL of Armand left me with whiplash.
But he’s still a villain yall, damn. It’s okay, you can still love a character even if they are terrible 😂🤍
Extreme Lestat stans are just racist's who are fine with his abuse of black characters, but cry about any slight done to him.
It’s so infuriating because the most fascinating thing about lestat is his monstrous actions. You take the teeth out of him and not only does the story mean nothing, you end up with a useless, boring character! His evil is fucking central to the whole thing…..
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you pretend he's not abusive or make excuses for his abusive, selfish behavior his arc means nothing
Im deeply in love with Lestat but i also acknowledge that he's a bad person and will always be one no matter what i also am deeply in love with Armand and know hes a bad person I would never make excuses for the things they did
Okay! The way you dragged Lestat apologist I have to subscribe! Take my like and subscription
Welcome to the fam 😊
Got here for Lestat bashing, stayed for everything else. Love the channel, thank you for popping up in my fyp
Thank YOU for clicking ❤
I agree with a lot of your points, including that Lestat remains as the prime antagonist, but I do not think you took the right approach on this video. Being rude as a response to people being rude is counterproductive. Spècially when you realize and acknowledge that a lot of the authors of said comments are probably underage. You are free to do whatever you want, I just think is not the right approach. Hope to see your analysis of S03 ^^
I hear you, and submit to you that I simply no longer care for respectability politics. Frankly, I do not believe it’s my responsibility to be nice to teenagers who are interjecting into these conversations. See it as tough love, or a hard lesson in thinking before you speak. Idk. Appreciate the support anyway!
I’m only 7 minutes and I am LOVING you checking these condescending Lestat apologists! and I love the fact that you’re standing on your opinions and everything that you said! So refreshing! And I will never understand their argument that if you “don’t like him or you see him as the villain, then u can’t enjoy the show and should stop watching”…..huh? Makes no sense cuz many of us watch other shows with villains/antiheros as the main characters and we’re still able to enjoy the shows 🙄
And not all Lestat fans are like this, of course, I even like him as a character tbh….but the responses to your previous video were getting out of hand (here and on other sm platforms)
I love lestat but people shouldn’t need to try and absolve a character of all their crimes in order to like them. we should be able to acknowledge that he is a bad person
The way I laughed out loud at your thumbnail lmaooo perfection.
Idk why people are citing the books and ignoring that he and armand are both the VILLAINS of the first (and best and most critically acclaimed) book. They make his abuse more explicit so that Claudia doesn't come off as a petulant child and instead as a rational actor bc she's now got a 14 yo brain. The trajectory of the show IS a love story though 😶 not really sure how they're gonna pull it off🤞
In later books
(The Vampire Lestat)
Lestat said that Louis lies, misunderstood, or exaggerated actions in the book.
Still Show Lestat shouldn’t be compared to book Lestat because Show Lestat is a clear villain in the show.
@@Shay45 So I haven't read the books and generally don't intend to (not because I think they'll be bad or anything! just have a TBR list a mile long already XD) but I wanted to ask something about your comment if that's okay. Is Lestat not depicted as an unreliable narrator too? I mean that both in the "every personal perspective is inherently biased" way but also, external factors that makes a recounting unreliable. Louis on the show is certainly shown to be both (though never to such an extent that discredits his narrative like I've seen some argue) so I'm just wondering if Lestat's perspective on what went down between them is painted with the same complexity around bias, narrative, and memory, etc., or if his retelling is just a more straightforward "speaking with the author's authority on canonicity" narration?
P.S. tone is hard for me to gauge but I hope this isn't coming off as anything but genuinely curious ^_^
Omg! Thank you for this!
i am convinced that lestat had a hand in louis brothers death
I still think that. I don’t believe him one bit when he said he didn’t have anything to do with it.
Idk but I bet he was telepathically talking to Paul (who was already messed up in the mind) which led him to unAlive himself.
No, he did not. This has been confirmed by the writers, the showrunners, Sam Reid, and even Anne Rice herself said that Lestat had zilch to do with Paul's death. Paul was severely mentally ill long before Lestat came into the picture. Continuing to insist on something that is clearly not true is just full-on nutty.
I have read most of of the Vampire Chronicles and the Mayfair Witches series. There is plenty promatic shit in the books so holding them up as an example of Lestat's better morality is coocoo banana pants!
Saying he is a villian lacks nuance. Saying that any of them are villains lack nuance. I mean they are vampires , monsters and "damned" ...why is it a shock when
monsters do monsterous things 🫠 we relate more to Louis because Louis was never comfortable with himself alive and he is not comfortable with himself in "death"/"vampirism. Lestat was true to his nature. It's a terrible nature. But I don't think this makes him a villian. He is just a vampire.
I just feel like slapping a label on these characters prevents more conversations about the complexities of these characters. I find bad and good sides in all of them including Claudia.
I speak on why reducing them to “monsters” or inherently immoral is reductive in this video…
@SaidByTy I understand that is reductive for you however that's what they are. They are grey characters. I would be disingenuous if I did not take into account their nature. I can't pretend to look at it any other way... Argh that's just my overthinking of these characters though. Not a fan of any of them, I try to understand them.
They have said time and time again that this is an adaption.
Lestat is not the same Lestat from the books and even if he was he was still the villain in that book. He did awful things to Louis and Claudia to the point where Claudia saw no way out besides his death. Everything he did to Claudia in the show still stands past season 1 and it's like people have selective memory loss on his behaviour towards her and Louis. Not to mention the freaks claiming that Louis is emotionally abusive as if he had ANY power in that relationship. I feel crazy trying to explain myself sometimes. He's a great character to read and watch but that doesn't change that he is the villain in this story and that is something that people need to accept (insane because these are the same people that are like THEY'RE ALL EVIL and yet cry and vomit when you hate lestat for being said evil).
Also...the point of gothic media isn't to absolve the themes of gothic media? The whole point of it is to be able to see different POVs because it's going to have blurred lines on morality, horror, and romance but that doesn't mean those themes aren't up for discussion. The show especially is HAND FEEDING YOU the themes and people still don't get it. I am convinced they had to add Santiago's line about "we're all monsters" only for Lestat to refute it at the trial because of the fans that say this kind of shit about the DV scene between Lestat and Louis.
Anyways, great video as was the previous on the topic. These people get me heated and genuinely turned one of my favorite characters into this soft handed man-child that needs protection.
I couldn't agree more about Lestat being an evil POS. The fandom are mostly delusional fangirls obsessed with both the actor and character of Lestat. There is no reasoning with them. I went through this years ago with Vampire Diaries fanatic. Their obsession with hot psychotic serial killers is beyond insane. They'll gaslight you by saying it's just a tv show when you make valid points, but in their heads they're lusting over fictional character relationships. It's pathetic.
so there's this trend of puritanism in fandom culture... 😶
The dress down in this video is immaculate, lol
I love book Lestat but hate show Lestat.
The book fans that defend Lestat based on the books are dumb because their actions are WAY too different.
"You people need to catch these metaphorical hands."
I HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINED!!!!
Don't let them silence you
They could NEVAAAAA
im here for this video. i remember when i first started watching IWTV was bc of a edit video showing off the fam of lestat, louis and claudia and their shenanigans and saw all the cutesie comments about them, until one comment pointed out how claud and lestat have a toxic mother-daughter relationship that made me intrigued to find out more. . . and hunny child, the first episode ALONE had me so confused as to who tf is leaving so many good comments about lestat on BEYONCE'S good internet?!!! it must be bots, cant convince me otherwise 🙉
The thing is... I genuinely believe that lestat *apologists* are a small but loud minority of his stans
Like we know he did do all that shit lmao, we're not denying it😭 I just will never understand *hating* a character because of their actions, idk they're not real and they're entertaining lol
I dont think I've ever hated a character fr
The thing people get more mad about it the fact that he did so much horrible shit that its crazy to see people blame him for things he didn't even do💀
To me, if you can understand loving a character, you should fully be able to understand hating one. It’s fiction in both instances, but you’ll only get the response that I received on one side of that coin.
LISTEN WE CAN FIX HIM 😭😭
IM ROOTING FOR YOU 😭😂
The fact that you kept me this entertained for over 20 minutes with hardly any edits. 👍🏾 Bravo, sir 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 - a new subscriber
Much appreciated ❤️
SPEAK ON ITTTTT
And WILL!
Again, the first two seasons are from Louis's POV and he's not the most trustworthy of narrators. Is Lestat a hero? Hell no, at least not if they stick anywhere near the source material, at best he's an anti-hero. Is he the villain in Louis's story, absolutely, but Louis is a liar.
And all we have is Louis’ POV until further notice. So are discussions just not supposed to happen due to that? I don’t understand why yall keep saying this as if I didn’t address the different perspectives thing in the beginning of the first video.
I like how you said you were going to essentially be gloves off or whatever with trying to be polite and such anymore-and yet, somehow, even when you were cussing you still managed to be ridiculously measured/reasonable and polite about it! 😂😂 I wish there were more people who could manage that in this world. Lol 🙂 💖💖💖
This is funny. Never thought I’d be bad at being rude 😂
@@SaidByTy 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻 I guess there are worse things to be bad at.
I love the clapback bro.
The smoke you have for him is so funny
don’t let those freaks get to you
They don’t, trust ❤
YUPPPPPPPPP get them
I LOVE Lestat, I've read several of the books... Your analysis of the show Lestat is 100% accurate lol This character is notoriously self centered with bouts of delusion, short sighted emotional impulses and a love for all things in this world, including evil and cruel things (clearly) I do not understand what people are even mad about-- your last video just stated his literal actions in the show hahaha here are a few quotes from the book: "My bitterness that I’m evil, that I don’t deserve to be loved and yet I need love hungrily." - Lestat “Do devils love each other? Do they walk arm in arm in hell saying, “Ah, you are my friend, how I love you,” things like that to each other?...it was a matter of a concept of evil, wasn’t it? All creatures in hell are supposed to hate one another, as all the saved hate the damned, without reservation.” - Lestat constantly referring to himself / embracing his role as a "devil." He loved Louis and Claudia but he probably also loved the cruelty he submitted them to, too (until he didn't) Lestat is fickle, this is crucial to understanding his character. Anyway, haters can stay hatin. Loved your vids.
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18:31 gagged tf outta me!! Hush em up, honey!!
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Im here for all and every follow-ups this is so important
you are so amazing for this and i’m sorry about the rude comments and harassment on the previous videos…thank you for saying this it’s much needed 💛
You don’t need to be sorry, friend. Like I said, these are unhappy people behind a screen. They don’t faze me ❤
I love Lestat and Armand because they're horrible-I know I'm toxic. So, when people try to paint them as some sort of saints, I know they're either literal children or just watch Lestat/Armand scene packs and can't handle real conversations about them or the show
I can't speak for other commenters, but when I mentioned in previous comments of mine how Armand had lied and other things for 70+ years, I wasn't trying to say that it was worse than anything Lestat had done-I was only trying to point out that Louis has had 70+ years to be aware of and/or work himself more toward forgiving Lestat's wrongdoings, whereas a lot of Armand's wrongs Louis is only just finding out about in the 2020s for the very first time some 70+ years later or such, so that is likely why Louis as a character might be at a point where Louis himself is more willing to forgive Lestat for greater wrongs and less willing to forgive Armand for lesser wrongs. Because time/distance can sometimes inaccurately dull how bad things seem like they were, while recency can sometimes inaccurately exaggerate how bad something seems like it is. It also might hurt more to be betrayed after 70+ yrs or to have built a 70+ yr long relationship on a false pretense than it felt to be betrayed after only less than 70 yrs and/or to have built a rocky relationship for less than 70 yrs that was pretty much always openly rocky-because even though there was a lot that Lestat didn't tell Louis, the one thing Lestat was pretty much always open about was Lestat's dangerous/volatile nature, regardless of how Lestat tried to excuse it with all Lestat's own various reasons for "why" such as the fact that he's a vampire or such. (If that makes sense.) But I was never trying to imply that meant that viewers should necessarily be as willing to forgive either character just because Louis is or isn't. 🙂
I don’t give a fuck if you’re using it for clout you’re too talented not to watch !!!!!!🧡🧡🧡
Very kind, thank you!
13:09 Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
honey you didn’t analyze shit dude you actually looked at it from an extremely surface level point of view while also being massive hypocrite with your stance on armand ya know the guy who tried to murder louis and did murder claudia which by the way takes any ounce of legitimacy in what you think is a valid argument
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Lol its not a spoiler. It was there in the final episode where they flashed back to Lestat practicing the play. He Clearly didnt want to be there. When Armand told him to rise out his chair, he hesitated and Armand repeated himself. Lol. So its there in that episode that Lestat didnt want to be a part of that play.
Since when is dropping a hint at something being a POSSIBILITY (because I can interpret that scene in a COMPLETELY different way) the same as outright saying “this is what happens”? There’s no way you actually think like this.
That wasnt a hint, because it was from no one's perspective.@@SaidByTy. That scene, is the only scene of flashbacks, that is told from the true point of view. No one was narrating that part. Thats scene is the actual story filling in a blank.
Halp!!!
From my POV, you go on and on and on about a character you've only seen through others and have not heard his voice. I'm sure you know what is said about one who assumes.
Asking honestly, once Lestat tells his POV, does that make his version more true than Louis’ and/or Claudia’s? Once Lestat gives his version, all that would be is just another version of the same events (events that the real Lestat acknowledges in episode 2.7, btw)
So I think we can empathize with Lestat (and maybe that empathy will grow once he gives his POV next season)….but that does not change the fact that he was abusive to Louis and Claudia (no matter the justifications he gives)
And yes, most of us are aware of the saying “what happens when you assume”….but in the reactors defense, he says numerous times that his opinion is based on the show….and the show (up to this point) has shown us Lestat being an abuser. So it’s not an assumption to call him an abusive villain
@@ryannwatkins7612 In the books yes. What they do with the show? I have no way of knowing.
The only thing I’ll say relating to the books is that they made me dislike lestat more. Cause just why act that way?
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Also from my understanding Anne didnt want Lestat and Louis to be seen as gay and was pissed at fans for interpreting them that way. She went as far as stopping them from writing fanfic. So after her death they made the show and did the opposite of what she wanted. So to even bring up the book when discussing the show is ironic...this wasn't even her vision. Not in the slightest so consume them as separate entities as you already said.
Also race is absolutely why they have more empathy for certain characters. Tey can unpack that at their next therapy session.
? She based lestat and Louis off her husband and herself, they were meant to be gay. Yes she did have a homophobia but it didn’t last because her son turn out to be gay I believe. Yes what she did when it came to fanfic is amoral since no one deserves to be doxxed or sued for a piece of art made out of love. She was against fanfic because she based the book characters off herself and people close to her.
I do think it’s redundant to mention lestat being absolved in the books though, since he is a very clear cut abuser in the first book. Us seeing his perspective in the next books doesn’t take away from the fact he isolated and abused both Louis and Claudia for decades. It’s just slightly different in the books because he does not psychically abuse, but I do believe him forcing them to stay for around 6 decades by dangling him teaching them some vampire knowledge over their head (and the fact Claudia cannot leave because she is dependent on the both of them since she is too young to be alone) to be honestly almost just as bad! Six decades!(sorry if this sounds too weird of a response. Not trying to be mean, I just didn’t understand the start of your comment here. You don’t have to read the books ofc it’s not important)
When she was alive she and helping with the show and it’s production. It was announced on her official website that she was.
She wasn’t upset as people interpreting them as gay she was unhappy with the fanfictions. (She was against fanfictions)
After her dead her gay son Christopher took over as correspondent for the show.
This is 100% false. They were ALWAYS meant to be a couple. Anne Rice repeatedly wrote them that way and said so herself. Misinterpreting the story this badly should render anything else you say about it null and void.
That you hate Lestat isnt an issue, it's that you expect everyone to hate Lestat as much as you do. Of the main characters, it's only Lestat's crimes you take seriously. Armand who killed Claudia or Louis who also physically abused her and neglects her are all deserving of understanding or get a pass (all based on the show only too lmao)
The misogynoir and lack of media literacy is kicking your ass.
Another imbecile who didn’t watch the original video where I call Louis terrible, repeatedly, for his treatment of Claudia and NEVER excused it. And didn’t watch this one either because I clearly state you’re allowed to have your own opinions, I’m just giving mine. This is what I’m talking about with you guys. You’re projecting. Listen to comprehend-not to just have something to say.
why are you acting like he tied up all your limbs. If you like lestat then you like lestat, what is him critiquing a fictional white man gonna do about that realistically baby.
You can say you find them terrible all day it won't change your hypocrisy or the fact that you find their actions excusable as a result of their context, meaning you either dont understand the evil of their actions or you just dont care but you dont want to admit it because you are the same as a Lestat simp, only you are simp for Louis and Armand 😂 @@SaidByTy
@@crazylilcandygirl Get a grip. And he is right. Armand's actions at this point in the story with what the show has PRESENTED so far is way more justifiable than Lestat. He wasn't Claudia's maker. The rules of the coven is what he had been following for HOW LONG?? Furthermore, Armand REPEATEDLY told Louis to close his mind or that the coven was not happy that he refused to join with them. In that regard, Armand was open about letting Louis know about the hostility the coven had towards him until he wasn't. Armand had reason to be loyal to the coven over Louis and Claudia. Based on what the show has given us so far, what was Lestat's motivations? Doesn't make either of their actions good but ultimately, Armand does not have the same amount of loyalty or responsibility that Lestat should have.
Get a grip for calling out hypocrisy? You just went and justified everything Armand did, which is fine you think it's okay that he did it but by that same reasoning Lestat his 'reasons' too, you just dont like it and cant admit to the fact you dont have good reasons for trying to argue that Lestat is the main villian@@fizzychizzy
Just seems like you’re obsessed with him. He always wins 🤷🏽♀️
The way I know for a fact you didn’t watch the video and automatically went to comment this loser shit.
@@JaneDoe-qe9gu Friend, this is the same person whose comment I put in the intro of the video-the one who said I’m doing this for views and clout. I’m “obsessed” with Lestat, but these folks are obsessed with me. Funny, that.