I think the problem is that the Confederates are not treated with the same severity as the Nazis, even though both at least shared the commonality of racism inspiring their actions. The main difference between the two is that the Confederates were more so inspired by capitalistic racism and the Nazis wanted a scape goat for why they were in an economic crisis from WW1. If America treated the confederates with the same condemnation as Germany treats the Nazis (ie. It is illegal to spout Nazi propaganda, they took down the statues of Hitler, and they still have the camps as historical sites so people can see that it happened) I’m pretty sure we would have a different discussion. But instead we keep statues of slave owners and confederate generals up and to this day Robert Lee’s face is still intact at Stone Mountain in Georgia. We should be condemning the confederacy and Robert Lee equally to Hitler and the Nazis. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
The difference is that the Nazis were somewhat of anomaly in German history while half the famous Americans before the US Civil War were slave owners, so condemning those responsible for the war for their horrific actions would open the door to condemning all the other highly celebrated slave owners, which Americans aren't comfortable with. Also, Robert E. Lee is a much more complicated case than Hitler. For one thing he wasn't the leader of the Confederacy, he was just in charge of the army by the end of the war. Also, despite being a raging racist and slave owner, he was an instrumental figure in the restoration of the union after the war and worked toward reconciliation between the north and south.
@@kittyluvsage13 There's a short film by Octopunkmedia called What a Beautiful Wedding about a black man being the only black guest at a wedding held at an old plantation. He's also the only one who can see the ghosts of all the slaves that had died on the property.
Also, Robert E Lee himself said there shouldnt be any statues for the confederacy, that the nation had to heal. A lot of (if not most of) the statues were put up by the KKK!!!
@gabbyabbott4965 its the irony of America pointing the finger at other countries for so-called social injustices across the world while at the same time perpetrating the exact same things on the home soil. But when it's happening to black Americans, it's not rlly happening, until 50+ years have passed and white ppl can look back and pretend they were always on the "right side of history".
I honestly enjoy the show much more than the book. Tara and Lafayette have a lot more personality in the show. Lafayette was killed off in the first book and was more or less treated like a black gay object only for Sookie imo. Like manic pixie dream girl for straight girls. I love that in the show he has family and people he loves or cares about. Not just “oh honey you look so good today!”
While I agree that there is plenty to criticize about Anne Rice’s work, I’d actually argue that Louis as a character is definitely not the same kind of slaveholding vampire as Bill Compton. Or at least the narrative does not treat them the same. Anne Rice very clearly approached crafting Louis’ character as rooted in exploitation of others and hooks into the irony that he didn’t seem to question the system that he participated in much before. I think the fact that Louis in the new show is written to be a pimp during his human life is a great demonstration of this (and Rice was helping to develop it before her death), as that’s also a means of income that relies on the exploitation of others even if he was a “good” pimp. It captures the same theme, the exploitation inherent to his lifestyle that took ripping his humanity away to really see. Obviously there are glaring flaws with Anne Rice’s work, but her romanticization of slaveholding vampires I would argue is not one of them (though I would say it’s not completely absent either, considering Louis being a very complex “tortured” character). With the others discussed in this video, it seems to be more… set dressing to their backstories that didn’t want to engage with the weight of the war. It felt very meaningless, and was way more romanticized with the other three. I think there could have been something interesting done with Damon’s character- he could have been drafted for example, as the Confederate draft was prominent in the Civil War era especially with Lee taking such unsustainable casualties- but it didn’t happen so.
@@mialikesmovies It turns out that there was some anti-slavery story about an African American vampire from 1819. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Vampyre%3A_A_Legend_of_St._Domingo The first time I'm hearing about it.
@sc6658 Princess Weekes did a video that talks about this very thing. Rice started the trope not knowing that others would create tone deaf, completely unironic copies.
Funnily enough the original Vampire Diaries Damon & Stefan were from the Italian Renaissance in Italy (1490s) Always wondered why the Vampire Diaries show runners changed it
@@Neku628 there would never be a live action vampire show based on ss vampires. America is far more sensitive to anti semitism. America is literally an ally to Israel
Lmao yeah literal third reich loyalist vampires and also vatican city catholic military THAT RIDE UP DRESSED LIKE THE KKK how you dream up that combo i still dk @@Neku628
It kills me how many people talk about Meyer being Mormon and Jasper being a confederate, but never talk about how racist Mormon theology is. Many Mormon pioneers owned slaves and had them sealed to their families. Eternal slaves. Think about that for a minute. Combine it with the doctrine that black people are the descendants of Cain, their skin color being the literal mark of Cain. Neither of these doctrines is currently taught by the Mormon church, but there are still Mormons who talk about, teach, and cling to these teachings as "eternal truths." In the book of Mormon, the dark skin of the Lamanites is a curse of wickedness. Over generations, as the Lamanites became righteous, they literally became white again - and remember that Mormons believe that the Lamanites are the "principle ancestors of native Americans." Mormonism is an intrinsically racist and white supremacist religion and the fact that Meyer "always knew" Jasper would be a confederate soldier is inseparable from those beliefs.
Yeah, mormons who cry about not being respected enough... this is why I don't really care. Couple that with how many ex-mormons say that being raised mormon felt like being raised in a cult. Yeesh.
around 5:15 and i'm loving this video so far but i do have to correct you on one thing: you said the northern states weren't reliant on slave labor, which is technically true in that slavery wasn't legal, but northern factories still refined and sold southern products, e.g. tobacco and coffee products, white sugar and candies, and fabrics made with cotton and indigo dye. plus many black domestic workers were regularly underpaid by their employers in comparison to white workers. the ruling class of the south was outright wrong, but the north's ruling class was hypocritical. because they still liked slavery's benefits, just geographically removed from the labor itself. the "lost cause" found sympathy partially because of the northern hypocrisy, as in the message that plantation owners were being unfairly targeted (obviously not true, they deserved it) from a system that both groups reaped rewards from (definitely true). it's a good example of how there's always one grain of truth in effective propaganda.
IMHO the reason the North gave up slavery was because it didn't have the same economic incentives to use it because it didn't need hundreds of thousands of workers performing tasks that machines could do cheaper. The South was an economic backwater because almost all of it's wealth was funneled into the hands of a small cadre of rich people, even the majority of whites were in poverty. Capital investment (IE technological advancement) was ignored in favor of just buying more slaves, and almost the entire southern economy was based on primary industry like agriculture, and as we all know most of the profits are made later on in the chain. It turns out that basic economics is very clear on this, if you have a shortage of CONSUMERS you can't have a viable economy; just having some people spend a lot of money on fancy parties does not sustain an economy. Slaves were adding to the productivity, but they weren't allowed to consume, meaning wildly more wealth ended up being hoarded by the already wealthy. The North didn't think slavery was 'wrong', they simply figured out how dumb it was in a 'modern economy'.
@@mightyone3737 Eh, this is sorta true, but it's also due to the fact that the South supplied the North with a lot of agricultural products in an era before mechanized agriculture. The North only really needed to grow food, their factories made them not need to rely on cash crops. The South relied on cash crops because 1. The elites that were already around were from before the industrial revolution and farming away and 2. The climate allowed them to do so, which is untrue for the North. Without mechanized agriculture, farming cotton, indigo, rice, sugar, or tobacco was a lot more labour intensive than processing said goods in factories. The South did have industry, but they didn't see the point in investing in it when the North already had it and way bigger skilled labour pools. Plus, many of the big farmers had the money to just import tools, if not from the North, from Europe. The South after all didn't just succeed due to slaves, though that was part of it, they also were very angry about protectionism the North was doing. They preferred importing processed goods from Europe over the North.
It may not be slavery but our economy is still based on unfair treatment. I am from Europe, so that may be different, but there is a lot that we import from Africa (rare elements needed for electronics) and Asia (more or less everything). And although its not a favorite topic the treatment of the miners and workers is downright horrible. Slavery in all but name.
As someone who grew up in the south, I really like the Southern Gothic because it can be useful as a way to criticize the south while also leaving room to add things I do like about it to make the setting feel accurate. I spent a lot of time in the Ozark mountains as a kid because my grandparents lived in that region. Meanwhile, I had a very different experience than people in other areas of the state. I grew up in Little Rock and my teachers taught about Black history and the civil rights movement in more in-depth ways because of the Little Rock Nine. I didn’t go to Central High myself, but I knew kids that did. It was also a recent enough event that some students from the Little Rock Nine are still alive to this day and prominent in the community. Despite this, my school didn’t cover the Dreamland Ballroom and the black community on West 9th Street that was destroyed in some extremely horrific ways. If anyone is curious, watch “Dream Land: Little Rock’s West 9th Street.”
See, I live in Georgia and we were taught that segregation was more of an understood thing by our teachers that had been alive during that time. We even had horrific lynchings in the area of South Georgia I lived in and they were barely mentioned. We had some of the most horrific racially motivated killings in history and yet they just want to limit segregation to being this. Very not a big deal thing
great video!! you gotta watch abraham lincoln vampire hunter though, it takes the confederate vampire trope to a hilarious extreme it's about abraham lincoln using a silver axe to hunt confederate vampires.. enough said haha
Glad your bringing this trope up. Thanks for the shout out to Princess Weekes. I saw her video awhile back. I'm glad that more people are discussing the strange romanticism of Confederate love interests.
I trust this information because you look like you could be a 90's vampire. Anyways this video was such a treat, can't wait to see what you cook up next. Dropping a sub, I'm feeling adventurous today.
When the topic of Confederate/Antebellum vampires came up, I honestly *forgot* that Louis from Vampire Chronicles is part of it. Maybe becuase his lifetime was from before the American Civil War so technically not Confederate but still a plantation and slave owner in his lifetime. I would also say that because Interview With The Vampire actually did some addressing of how the character viewed slaves and/or black people before and after his transformation into a vampire. Taking an actual look at the proverbial elephant in the room vs having a southern plantation as a pretty backdrop to a vampire story which is wha I felt both True Blood and Twilight largely did.
I watched the princess weekes video on the topic and i thought it was awesome, the insight is important, but also i was left wanting to hear even more, i need like 7 hour video essays on twilight problematicness
With a plantation full of slaves yeah......far as right before Merrick, he's never portrayed as someone to glorify or emulate though Post Merrick idk I couldn't get past Talbot's pedo tendencies
I have a vampire character I’ve been making and made him become turned while fighting in the civil war, completely unaware of this weirdly specific trope. But I’d like to note: he was a UNION soldier.
I skip Interview on rereads because I can’t stand book (or movie) Louis and how droll he is, so I might be forgetting some of the finer details here because it’s been years since I’ve read Interview in full. I always thought that Rice was going for Louis’s apathy he had even in his human life for slaves. When he’s turned he suddenly has a moral crisis because he couldn’t just ignore his innate vampire cruelty like he could ignore the brutal normalcy of being a slaveowner. As a slaveowner he’s just apart of southern landownership in that time, another unquestioning cog in that machine, but he’s forced to take direct responsibility for his amorality as a vampire because he can’t ignore the literal blood on his hands now. Though maybe that’s too charitable of an interpretation, since Rice was too preoccupied with being weird about any child character she wrote to spend time exploring anything substantial about racism.
I also just started True Blood. What I hate the most is that they made me fall in love with the grandma immediately. Then they hinted at her being a Confederate sympathizer. Then they went all in on it. Then they immediately killed her. She was a lovable character the entire time, and it seemed like they were going to set her up to be a really complex and nuanced character-just to abandon it by killing her off. And then that other old white lady had the nerve (the Caudacity, the unmitigated GALL) to ask Tara's mom to join their Confederate sympathizer group at the grandma's funeral. I understand that her death was necessary, but they could have pushed it back a bit. It would be interesting to see how Tara's mom goes back to church while also still being friends with Grandma. Since despite enslaved Africans being taught a very oppressive and bastardized version of Christianity by white slavers, the Black Church became such an integral part of our liberation.
I'd like to see a vampire who was a galvanized yankee for those of you who don't know the galvanized yankees were confederate p.o.w.s who bought their way out of prison by enlisting their service to the union army (mainly to fight against the Indians) there are actually two movies I know of that covers this part of the war.
Castlevania on Netflix also had vampire slaveowners and a slave that went all the way to Europe to kill that slave master. Also, I'm wondering if there are any slaves that were turned into vampires in Interview with a Vampire. How does being both an ex-slave and a vampire impact that character.
How hard is it to make a Union vampire who makes a conscious decision to feed on Confederate troops to help the war effort? Make a vampire who was a slave before being turned so they now wage an eternal mission against slavery.
IMHO the reason we have confederate vampires is two-fold: the first reason is that the US loves to sympathize with the confederates because the US has made an effort to keep itself as racist as possible (see also the nonsense Mars movie that inexplicably has a confederate soldier as the protagonist and then COMPLETELY IGNORES IT), and the second reason is the more important one, it's that fascists try to retroactively identify as anything they figure out people like. Dracula was an incredibly racist novel that's a barely disguised fear of replacement by foreigners who will steal (and corrupt) their British women. Dracula is supposed to look as stereotypically foreign as possible, and as much as people like to take issue with the misogyny in the book, the misogyny is an extension of the racism, in that Lucy has to be destroyed not so much because she's sexually desirable (and knows it), she has to be destroyed because she's been 'corrupted' by the foreigner. Anyways, the fascists have always looked to what people already liked and then declared 'that's our stuff!', in the weird hope that people who like the cool thing will inexplicably think racism is also cool. If an author uses a confederate as a protagonist it should be a visible red flag.
John Carter was based on Princess of Mars from 1912. The loss of the war was actually important to the story in the series. Still, why they kept him as a confederate soldier in the movie is beyond me. They didn't include most of the important scenes in the book because they were copied by other films. They also removed most of the Woola scenes, which was highly disappointing. Seriously, they removed every aspect that made the confederate aspect make sense. So there was no reason to keep it in the film. Scratch that, there was no reason to make the film, as they ruined anything fun from the book. Seriously, though, stop writing lost cause stories. It ain't 1912 anymore.
I'm not American and I'm not that into vampire lore, post Bram Stoker, but it does strike me that what is being discussed in this movie re the "Confederate Vampires" could just as easily be directed at most of the "Old" Westerns. Every single "heroic" figure in those movies is a former Confederate. Most main characters are either themselves "Southerners" or "Confederate" adjacent. Moreover, the fact that the directors/stars of these movies were not themselves "Southerners" makes little difference to this. We could look at almost any John Wayne (California native) movie or even, more recently, many of the Clint Eastwood (another California native) westerns from the 1970s & 1980s. Many people consider "The Outlaw Josey Wales" to be Eastwood's masterpiece from this era - but the character Eastwood chooses to portray is a former Confederate soldier. Moreover, the "Big bads" of the movie are Union troops. So, not only does this movie romanticize the Confederacy, it also feeds into the lie that "Reconstruction" was about punishing White Southerners... and Hollywood happily went along with this lying narrative...
There's a tad more nuance when it comes to "The Outlaw Josey Wales". Josey Whales became a "bushwhacker" in Missouri after his entire family was slaughtered by "jayhawkers", a.k.a. "Red Legs" in the film. Josey Wales doesn't join the Confederate bushwhackers for political reasons, but a personal one. He merely wants to fight back against the Union troops that destroyed his entire life. There was a real world context to this story as it was also similar to the story of Jesse James. That being said, the character of Josey Wales would have been led by "Bloody Bill Anderson" who committed many atrocities as well. My belief is that "The Outlaw Josey Wales" is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable and conflicted. It is a revisionist Western through and through. The hallmarks of revisionist Westerns were ambiguity, grey morality, and anti-heroes. The movie wants you to think critically about stories of the Old West and reject the idea that it was a black & white world of good guys versus bad guys. History is never that simple. I recommend watching Atun-Shei's video about "The Outlaw Josey Wales". He's able to go way more in-depth than I'm able to here.
As for Jasper for his age he wouldn’t be such a high ranking officer in either World war. As for the Revolutionary war we had to import French officers to train our troops. They would also not have Been young or not wealthy. So for a young officer with experience the Confederacy is the only war that fits. Could have made him just a regular soldier in WWI that just had a talent for it. (Not pro Confederate redemption arc for anyone reading this.)
I still have not managed to get past the first few episodes of True Blood. Also, is it important to note that most of these popular modern vampires are written by white women? I’m so curious and ready to explore the trope from other perspectives.. or maybe write something 🤔
What's very odd about the Salvatore brothers, to me, as someone who has only read the original 1990s quartet by L.J. Smith and is only passingly familiar with the TV series, is this: In the books, Damon and Stefan were originally from Italy during the Renaissance (specifically the 1400s, I think; it's been a while since I've read them). They were turned by Katherine von Schwarzschild, who was a German baron's daughter, and in love with both of them. Absolutely zero (0) connections to the American Civil War whatsoever, and they pre-dated it by at least 400 years. (Also, in the books, Katherine and Elena are not Doppelgängerinnen, but half-sisters through their angel mother. That's neither here nor there. The TV series also cut out my girl Meredith and completely disregarded Bonnie's druid heritage. Again, neither here nor there.) So... why did the TV series make *this* specific change?? Julie Plec, I have some serious questions.
5:15 sorry but the north 100% continued to rely heavily (even if indirectly) on slave labor after industrialization. where do you think the textiles came from?
Education varies more than just state to state. And I'm not just talking about private versus public schools. I feel like my home state of Washington is a perfect example of this. Most people in America hear Washington, and they immediately think of it as a super liberal place; they think of Seattle and queer culture and gay rights. But that's only half of the story. For those who don't know: the Cascade mountains run through our state and the barrier they create isn't just physical. It's a hard sociological barrier. The Western half of the state is very much the stereotype people think of Washington, but the Eastern side of the mountains is wildly different. There's a lot of agriculture, and as a result, it's extremely conservative. Our education isn't as poor as the bible belt, but it's definitely lacking in a lot of ways.
I hated this episode of TVD so much! I generally hate media where a day repeats. An insignificant detail you missed, when Damon wakes up from the stone, he kills everyone not really in a fit of rage, but because he thinks he’s still in the stone and he wants the day to restart again so he can speak to his Mommy again, lol. Truly a horrible episode. In The Originals, Marcel is a vampire who was adopted into the family, he is the son of a slave owner and a slave mother. He is a black man, and it’s often extremely awkward to watch the Original family remind him how they saved him from slavery as a child, while they happily keep the plantation home and one of their family vacation homes. Anyway, in one of the episodes I hate most, we see Marcel going to war and I don’t think it’s the civil war, if I remember correctly, it’s the first world war. Marcel being a black man (black vampire to be precise as he already turned when serving) probably helped in the writers decision not to make it the civil war, thank god. Just to say: it can be done.
This was a great video. Thanks for making it. I think the parallels of Confederate soldiers and enslavers to vampires can be useful in seeing how such people and vampires view enslaved people and people in general as less than, as prey, as objects/property, etc. and the harm that narrative and belief system causes. That is to say, enslaved people are to the Confederacy and enslavers as people are to vampires - dissect the impact of that within the story. The problem, to me, is the romanticization of the Confederate vampire. It's not hot to be a bigot, racist, murderer and the fact that these backstories go mostly unchallenged is what's misleading and damaging about the trope. If the Confederate vampire is going to exist, put them in the 'vampires are objectively harmful' stories, not the sexy vampire stories.
I’m just starting this video (like seven minutes in) but I’m an autistic Civil War buff so I need to yap already. I may edit this as I get further into the video though with more Thoughts™. 1. Pennsylvanian gang!!!! 2. A really good book that takes the most popular lost cause talking points and dismantles them is The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won by Edward H. Bonekemper. It goes into the ideological reasons behind secession while dismantling myths about the war being fought over things like taxes as well as the military myths about how Robert E. Lee was the greatest general ever (he wasn’t even the best in the war on his own side, and Grant kicked his ass for a reason). 3. While the UDC is a huge face of the continuation of the lost cause into the present, I also urge people to acknowledge the works of Edward Pollard and Jubal Early for constructing the myth in the first place. Pollard wrote the pseudohistorical pamphlets about the war that the term “lost cause” came from shortly after its conclusion and Jubal Early was an embittered ex-Confederate general who was among its most outspoken proponents. One big thing to look at RE: Early are his press battles with James Longstreet, who was Lee’s right hand man during the war but came out in support of reconstruction and had one of the most shocking political transformations in US history (he still had the racism of a 19th century white man for sure, but if there was one ex-Confederate I’d believe was sorry it’s him). Essentially Longstreet’s political evolution had his former colleagues, especially Early, casting him as the reason Lee lost at Gettysburg and therefore the reason the war itself was lost- this hinging on the claim that he had ignored Lee’s orders to attack at dawn (which Lee never even ordered by the way). The Confederate mythology goes incredibly deep with pseudohistorical myths like this.
Hi Mia, Nice to see you! Your a very sweet person. I'm new to your channel. Right away! I could tell I would like it. I love movies too. Vampire stories are fun. I thought West Virginia was more of a Union state during the Civil War. It is hard to say. What the kids are learning in school. It takes one author to start the Confederate vampires. When it takes off. Others want to follow. I'm sure somewhere in the world some people believe the south was the best. That could effect stories like Twilight Saga. I know Anne Rice can't talk. Interview With A Vampire. We see slave owners. Yes that is not right. I do like True Blood a lot. Eric is my favorite of the vampires in that story. I plan to watch other videos of yours. Good video. 🧛🦇🐺
Son of Dracula (1943) is interesting as sort of adjacent to this trope. It takes place in the present at New Orleans plantation Dark Oaks (which has Black servants and balls), at which heiress Katherine invites the vampire 'Alucard' in order to become immortal.
speaking from my own stifled voice as a mixed black afab amateur writer, im always intrigued by this narrative choice. from the topic of redemption, historical slavery is a huge pill to choke down for obvious reasons. in a vacuum, there is a surprising room for redemption within people, but even one person's whole lifetime can be too short of a time span to get people to understand whether or not you've actually had a change of heart on that kind of topic. when a person is given many lifetimes, and is given so many opportunities at a clean slate without repeating past mistakes, one may allow forgiveness. it's very interesting to think about how a person may go through hundreds of years trying to change, trying to get people to see their change, and may or may not succeed in redeeming themselves with those many lifetimes that none of us are privileged enough to have at our disposal. i think the "at the cost of black lives" thing is slightly overblown because these are fictional lives at stake here lol
just started this video 3 seconds ago and based solely off the title and nothing else my brain reminded me that Shaggy from Scooby-Doo has a suspicious amount of confederate family members (usually dead great uncles and what-not) ok that's all I'm sure the rest of this vid is fire
I would have to say about interview with the vampire that I always thought the Plantation Owner stuff was supposed to be on purpose. Louis as a human doesn't see his "feeding" off the lifes of his slaves as something immoral. Only as an "other" does he see there is no difference between races in the sense that I'm pretty sure he states: They all looked like cattle / food to him but his guilt was the thing stopping him from eating humans. Now that he has a different perspective he refuses to continue doing whathe used to do to humaanity.
Tenesse Williams and Anne Rice got me through my 80s teen years. Looking back years later I realize what attracted me was queerness. Abraham Lincoln is my childhhood hero along with Harriet Tubman and Soujour Truth. I watched a couple episodes of the new Interview With The Vampire series. It seemed promising.
If you, like me loved this video, you'll likely also enjoy this video by Princess Weekes about the very same topic! th-cam.com/video/zT5unKXnSUk/w-d-xo.html
Yes. After the civil war maybe 20+ years after the US asked Confederate veterans if they wanted to be classified as US troops to gain benefits and they either unanimously or majorly declined to accept any benefits From the US government.
Respectfully, you've omitted the movie "Near Dark." Lance Hendrickson identifies himself as a former confederate soldier, though it's not clear how he was turned. He and his found family of turned vampires live a vagabond and transitory life, quite apart from humanity. Female director and worth checking out. It doesn't relate much to his past, but the sense of defeat and "banishment" from society is felt.
@@mysteriiisThe timeline would put Louis as Pre-Confederacy before he was turned and a bit after he was turned as well. A slave owner by birth? Yes and that SHOULD be discussed. But he wasn't a Confederate nor did he fight for them so it's kinda just intellectually dishonest to frame him the character as "Confederate" when it wasn't even a thing at the time.
@lilypryor9015 I commented about two minutes before she brought up Louis' context to her video thesis. I usually comment on videos as I'm watching them.
The civil war was about states rights primarily focused on slavery and the power of the federal government granted by the constitution and if states could overrule federal law. While slavery was wrong you had the laws forcing northern states to return slaves that were being ignored. We are seeing this again today over Marijuana and immigration
Fellow Pennsylvanian here, wonderful video. A frequent topic of mine I find important is reminding people how terrible the n@zis and confederacy was. I think reminding people this lost cause heroism is post war propaganda. I’m curious, will you ever cover the any of the various iterations of the “ex n@zi” trope? I’d love to hear your thoughts on that. This was a greatly researched video, and the criticisms of the tropes was really well thought out and the reasons for it really well analyzed. Great work. Had 4 family members in the Union. 2 passed at Gettysburg defending our home state. Also, as a side note to the beginning of the video, as teen I lived in Texas for a bit. They definitely teach history about the confederacy in a much more positive light
I think the problem is that the Confederates are not treated with the same severity as the Nazis, even though both at least shared the commonality of racism inspiring their actions. The main difference between the two is that the Confederates were more so inspired by capitalistic racism and the Nazis wanted a scape goat for why they were in an economic crisis from WW1. If America treated the confederates with the same condemnation as Germany treats the Nazis (ie. It is illegal to spout Nazi propaganda, they took down the statues of Hitler, and they still have the camps as historical sites so people can see that it happened) I’m pretty sure we would have a different discussion. But instead we keep statues of slave owners and confederate generals up and to this day Robert Lee’s face is still intact at Stone Mountain in Georgia. We should be condemning the confederacy and Robert Lee equally to Hitler and the Nazis. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
And people get MARRIED at the plantations.... Disgraceful
The difference is that the Nazis were somewhat of anomaly in German history while half the famous Americans before the US Civil War were slave owners, so condemning those responsible for the war for their horrific actions would open the door to condemning all the other highly celebrated slave owners, which Americans aren't comfortable with.
Also, Robert E. Lee is a much more complicated case than Hitler. For one thing he wasn't the leader of the Confederacy, he was just in charge of the army by the end of the war. Also, despite being a raging racist and slave owner, he was an instrumental figure in the restoration of the union after the war and worked toward reconciliation between the north and south.
@@kittyluvsage13 There's a short film by Octopunkmedia called What a Beautiful Wedding about a black man being the only black guest at a wedding held at an old plantation. He's also the only one who can see the ghosts of all the slaves that had died on the property.
Also, Robert E Lee himself said there shouldnt be any statues for the confederacy, that the nation had to heal. A lot of (if not most of) the statues were put up by the KKK!!!
@gabbyabbott4965 its the irony of America pointing the finger at other countries for so-called social injustices across the world while at the same time perpetrating the exact same things on the home soil. But when it's happening to black Americans, it's not rlly happening, until 50+ years have passed and white ppl can look back and pretend they were always on the "right side of history".
True Blood made me love Tara for the way she grilled Bill for owning slaves
we love tara in this house
@mialikesmovies Pam, Tara and Lafayette could do no wrong in my opinion
I honestly enjoy the show much more than the book. Tara and Lafayette have a lot more personality in the show. Lafayette was killed off in the first book and was more or less treated like a black gay object only for Sookie imo. Like manic pixie dream girl for straight girls. I love that in the show he has family and people he loves or cares about. Not just “oh honey you look so good today!”
@@lokcachte yeah I was upset when he died so fast in the book. In the series he for sure got his screen time lol. RIP the actor he was so good.
I feel like Tara saw through almost all the bullshit everyone was doing in that town and just said it like it was lol.
The way Anne Rice opened the gates of hell on the romanticization of racists in vampire media lol
literally lol
While I agree that there is plenty to criticize about Anne Rice’s work, I’d actually argue that Louis as a character is definitely not the same kind of slaveholding vampire as Bill Compton. Or at least the narrative does not treat them the same. Anne Rice very clearly approached crafting Louis’ character as rooted in exploitation of others and hooks into the irony that he didn’t seem to question the system that he participated in much before. I think the fact that Louis in the new show is written to be a pimp during his human life is a great demonstration of this (and Rice was helping to develop it before her death), as that’s also a means of income that relies on the exploitation of others even if he was a “good” pimp. It captures the same theme, the exploitation inherent to his lifestyle that took ripping his humanity away to really see. Obviously there are glaring flaws with Anne Rice’s work, but her romanticization of slaveholding vampires I would argue is not one of them (though I would say it’s not completely absent either, considering Louis being a very complex “tortured” character).
With the others discussed in this video, it seems to be more… set dressing to their backstories that didn’t want to engage with the weight of the war. It felt very meaningless, and was way more romanticized with the other three. I think there could have been something interesting done with Damon’s character- he could have been drafted for example, as the Confederate draft was prominent in the Civil War era especially with Lee taking such unsustainable casualties- but it didn’t happen so.
@@mialikesmovies It turns out that there was some anti-slavery story about an African American vampire from 1819. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Vampyre%3A_A_Legend_of_St._Domingo
The first time I'm hearing about it.
@@sc6658this was so well said
@sc6658 Princess Weekes did a video that talks about this very thing. Rice started the trope not knowing that others would create tone deaf, completely unironic copies.
Funnily enough the original Vampire Diaries Damon & Stefan were from the Italian Renaissance in Italy (1490s)
Always wondered why the Vampire Diaries show runners changed it
You see how she treats Bonnie (both actor and character) you know why.
Now that I know this I’m even more appalled by how that sow treated Kat 🤦🏽♀️
I'm German and for me, a Confederate vampire feels kind of like a Waffen SS vampire. It's just really uncomfortable.
I’m an American Jew and I see no difference between them.
What do you think of Hellsing? That show basically has Nazi vampires, they thankfully get slaughtered by Alucard, the main character.
@@Neku628 there would never be a live action vampire show based on ss vampires. America is far more sensitive to anti semitism. America is literally an ally to Israel
Lmao yeah literal third reich loyalist vampires and also vatican city catholic military THAT RIDE UP DRESSED LIKE THE KKK how you dream up that combo i still dk @@Neku628
I'm from Alabama and 100% agree. Everytime it happens it like, ".... ew. Why? Why you do?" Hence why I'm watching this, because it's definitely weird
It kills me how many people talk about Meyer being Mormon and Jasper being a confederate, but never talk about how racist Mormon theology is. Many Mormon pioneers owned slaves and had them sealed to their families. Eternal slaves. Think about that for a minute. Combine it with the doctrine that black people are the descendants of Cain, their skin color being the literal mark of Cain. Neither of these doctrines is currently taught by the Mormon church, but there are still Mormons who talk about, teach, and cling to these teachings as "eternal truths." In the book of Mormon, the dark skin of the Lamanites is a curse of wickedness. Over generations, as the Lamanites became righteous, they literally became white again - and remember that Mormons believe that the Lamanites are the "principle ancestors of native Americans." Mormonism is an intrinsically racist and white supremacist religion and the fact that Meyer "always knew" Jasper would be a confederate soldier is inseparable from those beliefs.
Yeah, mormons who cry about not being respected enough... this is why I don't really care. Couple that with how many ex-mormons say that being raised mormon felt like being raised in a cult. Yeesh.
Yeah, Mormonism is literally a white supremacist cult
Yeah mormonism is so unserious and stupid in the eyes of literally everyone else that noone really does address how disgusting of a religion it is.
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around 5:15 and i'm loving this video so far but i do have to correct you on one thing: you said the northern states weren't reliant on slave labor, which is technically true in that slavery wasn't legal, but northern factories still refined and sold southern products, e.g. tobacco and coffee products, white sugar and candies, and fabrics made with cotton and indigo dye. plus many black domestic workers were regularly underpaid by their employers in comparison to white workers. the ruling class of the south was outright wrong, but the north's ruling class was hypocritical. because they still liked slavery's benefits, just geographically removed from the labor itself. the "lost cause" found sympathy partially because of the northern hypocrisy, as in the message that plantation owners were being unfairly targeted (obviously not true, they deserved it) from a system that both groups reaped rewards from (definitely true). it's a good example of how there's always one grain of truth in effective propaganda.
thank you for this correction!! i think i oversimplified the situation in my explanation, so i appreciate your input!!
IMHO the reason the North gave up slavery was because it didn't have the same economic incentives to use it because it didn't need hundreds of thousands of workers performing tasks that machines could do cheaper. The South was an economic backwater because almost all of it's wealth was funneled into the hands of a small cadre of rich people, even the majority of whites were in poverty. Capital investment (IE technological advancement) was ignored in favor of just buying more slaves, and almost the entire southern economy was based on primary industry like agriculture, and as we all know most of the profits are made later on in the chain. It turns out that basic economics is very clear on this, if you have a shortage of CONSUMERS you can't have a viable economy; just having some people spend a lot of money on fancy parties does not sustain an economy. Slaves were adding to the productivity, but they weren't allowed to consume, meaning wildly more wealth ended up being hoarded by the already wealthy. The North didn't think slavery was 'wrong', they simply figured out how dumb it was in a 'modern economy'.
@@mightyone3737 Eh, this is sorta true, but it's also due to the fact that the South supplied the North with a lot of agricultural products in an era before mechanized agriculture. The North only really needed to grow food, their factories made them not need to rely on cash crops. The South relied on cash crops because 1. The elites that were already around were from before the industrial revolution and farming away and 2. The climate allowed them to do so, which is untrue for the North. Without mechanized agriculture, farming cotton, indigo, rice, sugar, or tobacco was a lot more labour intensive than processing said goods in factories. The South did have industry, but they didn't see the point in investing in it when the North already had it and way bigger skilled labour pools. Plus, many of the big farmers had the money to just import tools, if not from the North, from Europe. The South after all didn't just succeed due to slaves, though that was part of it, they also were very angry about protectionism the North was doing. They preferred importing processed goods from Europe over the North.
It may not be slavery but our economy is still based on unfair treatment. I am from Europe, so that may be different, but there is a lot that we import from Africa (rare elements needed for electronics) and Asia (more or less everything). And although its not a favorite topic the treatment of the miners and workers is downright horrible. Slavery in all but name.
As someone who grew up in the south, I really like the Southern Gothic because it can be useful as a way to criticize the south while also leaving room to add things I do like about it to make the setting feel accurate. I spent a lot of time in the Ozark mountains as a kid because my grandparents lived in that region.
Meanwhile, I had a very different experience than people in other areas of the state. I grew up in Little Rock and my teachers taught about Black history and the civil rights movement in more in-depth ways because of the Little Rock Nine. I didn’t go to Central High myself, but I knew kids that did. It was also a recent enough event that some students from the Little Rock Nine are still alive to this day and prominent in the community.
Despite this, my school didn’t cover the Dreamland Ballroom and the black community on West 9th Street that was destroyed in some extremely horrific ways. If anyone is curious, watch “Dream Land: Little Rock’s West 9th Street.”
See, I live in Georgia and we were taught that segregation was more of an understood thing by our teachers that had been alive during that time. We even had horrific lynchings in the area of South Georgia I lived in and they were barely mentioned. We had some of the most horrific racially motivated killings in history and yet they just want to limit segregation to being this. Very not a big deal thing
3 minutes in praying you mention Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
great video!! you gotta watch abraham lincoln vampire hunter though, it takes the confederate vampire trope to a hilarious extreme
it's about abraham lincoln using a silver axe to hunt confederate vampires.. enough said haha
i thought about mentioning it but ultimately chose not to! i need to rewatch though… it’s been years lol
@@xylorp The book too is great
If a certain movie is to be believed Honest Abe had the proper approach to confederate vampires
Glad your bringing this trope up. Thanks for the shout out to Princess Weekes. I saw her video awhile back. I'm glad that more people are discussing the strange romanticism of Confederate love interests.
I trust this information because you look like you could be a 90's vampire. Anyways this video was such a treat, can't wait to see what you cook up next. Dropping a sub, I'm feeling adventurous today.
Wow, thank you!!!
The Confederacy 'died' but didn't drive a stake through its cold, dead heart so it still stalks its prey.
When the topic of Confederate/Antebellum vampires came up, I honestly *forgot* that Louis from Vampire Chronicles is part of it. Maybe becuase his lifetime was from before the American Civil War so technically not Confederate but still a plantation and slave owner in his lifetime. I would also say that because Interview With The Vampire actually did some addressing of how the character viewed slaves and/or black people before and after his transformation into a vampire. Taking an actual look at the proverbial elephant in the room vs having a southern plantation as a pretty backdrop to a vampire story which is wha I felt both True Blood and Twilight largely did.
I watched the princess weekes video on the topic and i thought it was awesome, the insight is important, but also i was left wanting to hear even more, i need like 7 hour video essays on twilight problematicness
Lily simpson has a 4 hour twilight video about a lot of its problems!
Just to add context to Louis, he was not only turned pre-confederacy, but pre-Louisiana purchase. So really, he was just French colonial.
With a plantation full of slaves yeah......far as right before Merrick, he's never portrayed as someone to glorify or emulate though
Post Merrick idk
I couldn't get past Talbot's pedo tendencies
I have a vampire character I’ve been making and made him become turned while fighting in the civil war, completely unaware of this weirdly specific trope. But I’d like to note: he was a UNION soldier.
Louis in the books actually talks about the slaves in a way that kind of irks me.
I skip Interview on rereads because I can’t stand book (or movie) Louis and how droll he is, so I might be forgetting some of the finer details here because it’s been years since I’ve read Interview in full. I always thought that Rice was going for Louis’s apathy he had even in his human life for slaves. When he’s turned he suddenly has a moral crisis because he couldn’t just ignore his innate vampire cruelty like he could ignore the brutal normalcy of being a slaveowner. As a slaveowner he’s just apart of southern landownership in that time, another unquestioning cog in that machine, but he’s forced to take direct responsibility for his amorality as a vampire because he can’t ignore the literal blood on his hands now.
Though maybe that’s too charitable of an interpretation, since Rice was too preoccupied with being weird about any child character she wrote to spend time exploring anything substantial about racism.
I also just started True Blood. What I hate the most is that they made me fall in love with the grandma immediately. Then they hinted at her being a Confederate sympathizer. Then they went all in on it. Then they immediately killed her. She was a lovable character the entire time, and it seemed like they were going to set her up to be a really complex and nuanced character-just to abandon it by killing her off. And then that other old white lady had the nerve (the Caudacity, the unmitigated GALL) to ask Tara's mom to join their Confederate sympathizer group at the grandma's funeral.
I understand that her death was necessary, but they could have pushed it back a bit. It would be interesting to see how Tara's mom goes back to church while also still being friends with Grandma. Since despite enslaved Africans being taught a very oppressive and bastardized version of Christianity by white slavers, the Black Church became such an integral part of our liberation.
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I'd like to see a vampire who was a galvanized yankee for those of you who don't know the galvanized yankees were confederate p.o.w.s who bought their way out of prison by enlisting their service to the union army (mainly to fight against the Indians) there are actually two movies I know of that covers this part of the war.
Castlevania on Netflix also had vampire slaveowners and a slave that went all the way to Europe to kill that slave master.
Also, I'm wondering if there are any slaves that were turned into vampires in Interview with a Vampire. How does being both an ex-slave and a vampire impact that character.
May I request more vampire centric analysis? The vibe and research of this video is phenomenal. Thank you 🙏
Absolutely!! Thanks for watching!!!
How hard is it to make a Union vampire who makes a conscious decision to feed on Confederate troops to help the war effort? Make a vampire who was a slave before being turned so they now wage an eternal mission against slavery.
Ohhh I like the slave turned vampire. Someone should write that.
writers are allergic to non-white vampires :/
IMHO the reason we have confederate vampires is two-fold: the first reason is that the US loves to sympathize with the confederates because the US has made an effort to keep itself as racist as possible (see also the nonsense Mars movie that inexplicably has a confederate soldier as the protagonist and then COMPLETELY IGNORES IT), and the second reason is the more important one, it's that fascists try to retroactively identify as anything they figure out people like. Dracula was an incredibly racist novel that's a barely disguised fear of replacement by foreigners who will steal (and corrupt) their British women. Dracula is supposed to look as stereotypically foreign as possible, and as much as people like to take issue with the misogyny in the book, the misogyny is an extension of the racism, in that Lucy has to be destroyed not so much because she's sexually desirable (and knows it), she has to be destroyed because she's been 'corrupted' by the foreigner. Anyways, the fascists have always looked to what people already liked and then declared 'that's our stuff!', in the weird hope that people who like the cool thing will inexplicably think racism is also cool. If an author uses a confederate as a protagonist it should be a visible red flag.
John Carter was based on Princess of Mars from 1912. The loss of the war was actually important to the story in the series. Still, why they kept him as a confederate soldier in the movie is beyond me. They didn't include most of the important scenes in the book because they were copied by other films. They also removed most of the Woola scenes, which was highly disappointing.
Seriously, they removed every aspect that made the confederate aspect make sense. So there was no reason to keep it in the film. Scratch that, there was no reason to make the film, as they ruined anything fun from the book.
Seriously, though, stop writing lost cause stories. It ain't 1912 anymore.
Excellent work! Watching Princess Weekes next!
Wonderful analysis! I was also wondering this too
I'm not American and I'm not that into vampire lore, post Bram Stoker, but it does strike me that what is being discussed in this movie re the "Confederate Vampires" could just as easily be directed at most of the "Old" Westerns.
Every single "heroic" figure in those movies is a former Confederate. Most main characters are either themselves "Southerners" or "Confederate" adjacent. Moreover, the fact that the directors/stars of these movies were not themselves "Southerners" makes little difference to this. We could look at almost any John Wayne (California native) movie or even, more recently, many of the Clint Eastwood (another California native) westerns from the 1970s & 1980s.
Many people consider "The Outlaw Josey Wales" to be Eastwood's masterpiece from this era - but the character Eastwood chooses to portray is a former Confederate soldier. Moreover, the "Big bads" of the movie are Union troops. So, not only does this movie romanticize the Confederacy, it also feeds into the lie that "Reconstruction" was about punishing White Southerners... and Hollywood happily went along with this lying narrative...
There's a tad more nuance when it comes to "The Outlaw Josey Wales". Josey Whales became a "bushwhacker" in Missouri after his entire family was slaughtered by "jayhawkers", a.k.a. "Red Legs" in the film. Josey Wales doesn't join the Confederate bushwhackers for political reasons, but a personal one. He merely wants to fight back against the Union troops that destroyed his entire life. There was a real world context to this story as it was also similar to the story of Jesse James. That being said, the character of Josey Wales would have been led by "Bloody Bill Anderson" who committed many atrocities as well. My belief is that "The Outlaw Josey Wales" is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable and conflicted. It is a revisionist Western through and through. The hallmarks of revisionist Westerns were ambiguity, grey morality, and anti-heroes. The movie wants you to think critically about stories of the Old West and reject the idea that it was a black & white world of good guys versus bad guys. History is never that simple. I recommend watching Atun-Shei's video about "The Outlaw Josey Wales". He's able to go way more in-depth than I'm able to here.
Every single heroic figure? I grew up on Westerns and most of the protags are not former Confederates
mia you’re inspiring me to do my own videos like this!!! so enjoyable & your voice is so lovely!
That makes me so happy!! Go for it!!!
Thank you so much for this upload!! A lot to think about, a lot to chew on (pun intended!) :D
we love puns here!!
As for Jasper for his age he wouldn’t be such a high ranking officer in either World war. As for the Revolutionary war we had to import French officers to train our troops. They would also not have Been young or not wealthy. So for a young officer with experience the Confederacy is the only war that fits. Could have made him just a regular soldier in WWI that just had a talent for it. (Not pro Confederate redemption arc for anyone reading this.)
I still have not managed to get past the first few episodes of True Blood.
Also, is it important to note that most of these popular modern vampires are written by white women? I’m so curious and ready to explore the trope from other perspectives.. or maybe write something 🤔
yes!!! we ALWAYS need explorations of other perspectives!!!
What on earth could they want to fantasies about such men?
OH? Your "all about Astarion" video??? Such a thing exists????? UMMMM SUBBED
What's very odd about the Salvatore brothers, to me, as someone who has only read the original 1990s quartet by L.J. Smith and is only passingly familiar with the TV series, is this:
In the books, Damon and Stefan were originally from Italy during the Renaissance (specifically the 1400s, I think; it's been a while since I've read them). They were turned by Katherine von Schwarzschild, who was a German baron's daughter, and in love with both of them. Absolutely zero (0) connections to the American Civil War whatsoever, and they pre-dated it by at least 400 years.
(Also, in the books, Katherine and Elena are not Doppelgängerinnen, but half-sisters through their angel mother. That's neither here nor there. The TV series also cut out my girl Meredith and completely disregarded Bonnie's druid heritage. Again, neither here nor there.)
So... why did the TV series make *this* specific change?? Julie Plec, I have some serious questions.
5:15 sorry but the north 100% continued to rely heavily (even if indirectly) on slave labor after industrialization. where do you think the textiles came from?
yes 100%! i admittedly oversimplified in that moment! thank you for pointing that out!
The sins of the north do not absolve the far greater depravities of the south.
Education varies more than just state to state. And I'm not just talking about private versus public schools.
I feel like my home state of Washington is a perfect example of this. Most people in America hear Washington, and they immediately think of it as a super liberal place; they think of Seattle and queer culture and gay rights. But that's only half of the story. For those who don't know: the Cascade mountains run through our state and the barrier they create isn't just physical. It's a hard sociological barrier. The Western half of the state is very much the stereotype people think of Washington, but the Eastern side of the mountains is wildly different. There's a lot of agriculture, and as a result, it's extremely conservative. Our education isn't as poor as the bible belt, but it's definitely lacking in a lot of ways.
as a fellow mia with a newly restarted gothic literature and vampire hyperfixation THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO
I hated this episode of TVD so much! I generally hate media where a day repeats. An insignificant detail you missed, when Damon wakes up from the stone, he kills everyone not really in a fit of rage, but because he thinks he’s still in the stone and he wants the day to restart again so he can speak to his Mommy again, lol. Truly a horrible episode.
In The Originals, Marcel is a vampire who was adopted into the family, he is the son of a slave owner and a slave mother. He is a black man, and it’s often extremely awkward to watch the Original family remind him how they saved him from slavery as a child, while they happily keep the plantation home and one of their family vacation homes. Anyway, in one of the episodes I hate most, we see Marcel going to war and I don’t think it’s the civil war, if I remember correctly, it’s the first world war. Marcel being a black man (black vampire to be precise as he already turned when serving) probably helped in the writers decision not to make it the civil war, thank god. Just to say: it can be done.
A lot of time ppl romanticize pre confederate south and movies like Gone with wind made it look was this utopia.
The bombastic set dressing and costumes helped
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This was a great video. Thanks for making it. I think the parallels of Confederate soldiers and enslavers to vampires can be useful in seeing how such people and vampires view enslaved people and people in general as less than, as prey, as objects/property, etc. and the harm that narrative and belief system causes. That is to say, enslaved people are to the Confederacy and enslavers as people are to vampires - dissect the impact of that within the story.
The problem, to me, is the romanticization of the Confederate vampire. It's not hot to be a bigot, racist, murderer and the fact that these backstories go mostly unchallenged is what's misleading and damaging about the trope. If the Confederate vampire is going to exist, put them in the 'vampires are objectively harmful' stories, not the sexy vampire stories.
I’m just starting this video (like seven minutes in) but I’m an autistic Civil War buff so I need to yap already. I may edit this as I get further into the video though with more Thoughts™.
1. Pennsylvanian gang!!!!
2. A really good book that takes the most popular lost cause talking points and dismantles them is The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won by Edward H. Bonekemper. It goes into the ideological reasons behind secession while dismantling myths about the war being fought over things like taxes as well as the military myths about how Robert E. Lee was the greatest general ever (he wasn’t even the best in the war on his own side, and Grant kicked his ass for a reason).
3. While the UDC is a huge face of the continuation of the lost cause into the present, I also urge people to acknowledge the works of Edward Pollard and Jubal Early for constructing the myth in the first place. Pollard wrote the pseudohistorical pamphlets about the war that the term “lost cause” came from shortly after its conclusion and Jubal Early was an embittered ex-Confederate general who was among its most outspoken proponents. One big thing to look at RE: Early are his press battles with James Longstreet, who was Lee’s right hand man during the war but came out in support of reconstruction and had one of the most shocking political transformations in US history (he still had the racism of a 19th century white man for sure, but if there was one ex-Confederate I’d believe was sorry it’s him). Essentially Longstreet’s political evolution had his former colleagues, especially Early, casting him as the reason Lee lost at Gettysburg and therefore the reason the war itself was lost- this hinging on the claim that he had ignored Lee’s orders to attack at dawn (which Lee never even ordered by the way). The Confederate mythology goes incredibly deep with pseudohistorical myths like this.
@@sc6658 Thanks for the further reading recommendations and information!! I am not a US history buff, so this is super helpful!
Hi Mia,
Nice to see you! Your a very sweet person. I'm new to your channel. Right away! I could tell I would like it. I love movies too. Vampire stories are fun. I thought West Virginia was more of a Union state during the Civil War. It is hard to say. What the kids are learning in school. It takes one author to start the Confederate vampires. When it takes off. Others want to follow. I'm sure somewhere in the world some people believe the south was the best. That could effect stories like Twilight Saga. I know Anne Rice can't talk. Interview With A Vampire. We see slave owners. Yes that is not right. I do like True Blood a lot. Eric is my favorite of the vampires in that story. I plan to watch other videos of yours. Good video. 🧛🦇🐺
Son of Dracula (1943) is interesting as sort of adjacent to this trope. It takes place in the present at New Orleans plantation Dark Oaks (which has Black servants and balls), at which heiress Katherine invites the vampire 'Alucard' in order to become immortal.
speaking from my own stifled voice as a mixed black afab amateur writer, im always intrigued by this narrative choice. from the topic of redemption, historical slavery is a huge pill to choke down for obvious reasons. in a vacuum, there is a surprising room for redemption within people, but even one person's whole lifetime can be too short of a time span to get people to understand whether or not you've actually had a change of heart on that kind of topic. when a person is given many lifetimes, and is given so many opportunities at a clean slate without repeating past mistakes, one may allow forgiveness. it's very interesting to think about how a person may go through hundreds of years trying to change, trying to get people to see their change, and may or may not succeed in redeeming themselves with those many lifetimes that none of us are privileged enough to have at our disposal. i think the "at the cost of black lives" thing is slightly overblown because these are fictional lives at stake here lol
just started this video 3 seconds ago and based solely off the title and nothing else my brain reminded me that Shaggy from Scooby-Doo has a suspicious amount of confederate family members (usually dead great uncles and what-not) ok that's all I'm sure the rest of this vid is fire
One of the only examples of a vampire fighting for the union that i know of is Aidan Waite from being human U.S
I would have to say about interview with the vampire that I always thought the Plantation Owner stuff was supposed to be on purpose. Louis as a human doesn't see his "feeding" off the lifes of his slaves as something immoral. Only as an "other" does he see there is no difference between races in the sense that I'm pretty sure he states: They all looked like cattle / food to him but his guilt was the thing stopping him from eating humans. Now that he has a different perspective he refuses to continue doing whathe used to do to humaanity.
Tenesse Williams and Anne Rice got me through my 80s teen years. Looking back years later I realize what attracted me was queerness. Abraham Lincoln is my childhhood hero along with Harriet Tubman and Soujour Truth. I watched a couple episodes of the new Interview With The Vampire series. It seemed promising.
Wow, I've seen TVD 2 or 3 times and I don't remember that part about Damon's mom :))
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If you, like me loved this video, you'll likely also enjoy this video by Princess Weekes about the very same topic! th-cam.com/video/zT5unKXnSUk/w-d-xo.html
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Don’t bother watching the rest of True Blood it get really bad after season 4.
Also as a minor correction the word is Cav-al-ry not Calvary.
The Mexican-American War might have been a better fit for Jasper.
Wasn't most of the Confederate statues put up during the Civil Rights Era?
A lot during the 20s, when the KKK was at its height
Yes. After the civil war maybe 20+ years after the US asked Confederate veterans if they wanted to be classified as US troops to gain benefits and they either unanimously or majorly declined to accept any benefits From the US government.
Why is 1991 crazy? Are you 12
Respectfully, you've omitted the movie "Near Dark." Lance Hendrickson identifies himself as a former confederate soldier, though it's not clear how he was turned. He and his found family of turned vampires live a vagabond and transitory life, quite apart from humanity. Female director and worth checking out. It doesn't relate much to his past, but the sense of defeat and "banishment" from society is felt.
Why is Louis on your confederate vampire video thumbnail when he was not, in fact, a confederate soldier?
But he was a slave owner
Watch the video she explains around 9 mins!
Because he was worse. Thousands of poor men died so that rich men like Louie could maintain a slave economy.
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@@mysteriiisThe timeline would put Louis as Pre-Confederacy before he was turned and a bit after he was turned as well. A slave owner by birth? Yes and that SHOULD be discussed. But he wasn't a Confederate nor did he fight for them so it's kinda just intellectually dishonest to frame him the character as "Confederate" when it wasn't even a thing at the time.
What about Louis? I know he wasn't a soldier but he was a plantation owner.
Watch the video they explain around 9 mins in!
@lilypryor9015 I commented about two minutes before she brought up Louis' context to her video thesis. I usually comment on videos as I'm watching them.
The civil war was about states rights primarily focused on slavery and the power of the federal government granted by the constitution and if states could overrule federal law. While slavery was wrong you had the laws forcing northern states to return slaves that were being ignored. We are seeing this again today over Marijuana and immigration
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Pretty sure its just vamps r bad, confeds r bad, vamps r confeds
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Fellow Pennsylvanian here, wonderful video. A frequent topic of mine I find important is reminding people how terrible the n@zis and confederacy was. I think reminding people this lost cause heroism is post war propaganda. I’m curious, will you ever cover the any of the various iterations of the “ex n@zi” trope? I’d love to hear your thoughts on that. This was a greatly researched video, and the criticisms of the tropes was really well thought out and the reasons for it really well analyzed. Great work. Had 4 family members in the Union. 2 passed at Gettysburg defending our home state. Also, as a side note to the beginning of the video, as teen I lived in Texas for a bit. They definitely teach history about the confederacy in a much more positive light