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I’m not in the fandom. I’m a grown man who enjoys a TV show and had thoughts about it. I’ll be fine, trust me.

@SaidByTy > I'm a grown man > shoots an hour long hate video 🤣🤣

@@roantt4037 What’s the correlation? Grown men don’t make TH-cam videos? Try again lmao.

@@SaidByTy you're so pathetic, but you don't even realize how much

@@roantt4037 Awww, is the little Lestat dickrider upset because not everyone rides his dick? If you weren’t so slow, you’d have picked up in the very beginning that I very clearly state that Lestat needs to stick around because he’s entertaining and charismatic. He’s important to the show. Me disliking his qualities and calling out you losers for defending him doesn’t change that. So stop whining because not everyone drools over your white daddy, okay? That’s the only pathetic thing here. Get over it.

Clearly the reasons aren’t that obvious because some of this weird ass fandom are still arguing against the “obvious” points being made in the comments. Speaking of comments, yours is a strange one; what other reason would there be to dislike a character outside of their behavior? You’re reaching. And for someone who only jumped around the video, it’s very obvious that you only jumped around. I’ll never wrap my head around why yall are more upset at the random stepdaddy than the father who participated in his daughter’s death. THAT’S weird.

@SaidByTy i literally told u ur way of critizing lestat is a very superficial one and ive seen better & deeper analysis on his awful behavior, why that makes u mad? the fact is that even if you dont want to, lestat was obligated into it. The books say so, the writing seems to go that way, and the actors have talked about it. If you want to not see that, then dont see the future seasons. The thing is: you can still hate and critize Lestat even with that. But making excuses for Armand, just to make Lestat the villan (for season 2 especially) after all the abuse & gaslighting, lynching, lying, tortuting, brainwashing stuff....is a weird thing. You DONT HAVE to compare them, dont have to make one better than the other. But you choose to do it. Thats weird.

@@sbs19982 Everything you wrote was made invalid the moment you said “the books say so.” Are we talking about a book or a SHOW? Has that been revealed IN THE SHOW? If not, why would you expect viewers to magically know that if they haven’t read the books and don’t care to? A better question: why are you conflating the book and the show in the first place, as if they’re not two entirely different stories? Does Lestat drop Louis from the sky in the books? No. Is Louis black in the books? No. Is Claudia 14 in the books? No. So the books don’t matter when discussing the show, especially if you’re talking about something that isn’t even revealed yet. Period. You don’t know what other major changes they’ll make. Relying on the books as a crutch is lazy. Yall need to get that through your heads, and quickly.

th-cam.com/video/bcTq_zXESCo/w-d-xo.html were she breaks down each ep and her Patience for lestats antics disappears

th-cam.com/video/7BOaQZigo5U/w-d-xo.html her overall thoughts

@@socialistwhore2132 Oh I’ve already watched her videos, and she’s seen this too haha

Lol, what?

@@shayr.3412 These folks are delulu lmao

No.

You guys are kind of delusional

There’s so much wrong about this. First of all, “all he did was choke Claudia” sounds crazy. In what world does a grown man watch another grown man put their hand around his daughter’s neck and do nothing about it? It doesn’t matter if Lestat would have beat her or not. Why would that be something I need to “touch on”? He’d already done enough to warrant getting his own ass beat by that point. And on that note I definitely went in on Louis for doing the same thing to her too. He’s a hypocrite. Correct. Both deserved ass whoopings for it. But as far as that specific moment in time, Lestat got what he deserved. And seeing as how you said you stopped the video at that point, I’ll tell you now that I definitely say in the video that they should’ve left Paris when they were introduced to the coven. Soooooooo….. now what? lol. You act as if no one else gets called out for their stupidity and selfishness in the video. No, I don’t “want” Lestat to be a villain-he simply is one. And I don’t see how anything you said contradicts that. The fact that he DIDN’T save Claudia contributes to the idea that he’s a villain to me. How is that trying to “have it both ways”? Make it make sense. And it doesn’t matter what Claudia would’ve forgiven him for. Are you saying it’s a better alternative for her and Madeline to die cause at least Lestat wouldn’t have to deal with Claudia not forgiving him? What kind of backwards ass logic is that? And if that’s not the point you’re making then I don’t see the relevance in that hypothetical at all. Save your daughter. Period.

​@@SaidByTy ok first, I did watch the full video before commenting, the time stamp was to show where my discrepancy starts. (Which is why I said I stopped for a bit.) And I know u didn't mention anything of the choking that Louis did in 1x7. U have, however, replied and I do agree that they both deserve an ass whoopin, and I think they got to their boiling point in 1x5 where the stronger one of the two stoped the other. And as I said, I did watch the video and so them staying in Paris was was up to them. And they made the decision. Just like they made the decision to turn Madeline. I've already said Lestat is no hero nor is he a saint, he is a complex character and if u just go into this show or Ann rice's writing with a pinhole vision u may never get to appreciate what her character have to offer. You've gone above and beyond to speak for Claudia, and she is also complex, and the only reason u see her and understand where she is coming from is because u've heard her back story and actually got to know her through here journals. And also heard of her from a point of view of someone that at some level cared for her(Louis. ) For that reason alone I think u should keep an open mind to Lestat 's POV and other characters to come. Ffs we haven't met the real man till mid 2x8. Also u said in the beginning that the show is going to try some bs to justify Lestat's actions and so far they haven't done that. They just showed more context and if u paid any attention in sn 1, those signs were there. Just like some signs are there for a lot of stuff in sn 2 and not just for ep 7 even in ep 3. His back story is just a foundation of his character, it's not him in general. He has actually already given us his background/story but if u keep the pinhole vision U'll miss it. Ex. His mum(1x1), his maker(1×6), his father and brothers (1×1), his relationship with God etc. But if u think everything that he said was a lie then what's the point. Considering u're giving Armand a pass or justification, then the bar is very low. Personally I enjoy this show as a whole with all characters no matter how annoying or terrible they are painted to be. But I still use my common sense to see when things are not adding up. If u are actually interested in the story as a whole and not just one person, keep an open mind to everyone.

​​@@SaidByTy I also wanna add on the point of having Claudia die, as I said in my first comment, I get where Ann was coming from with what happened to her own family. So to me it was inevitable since it's such a core point for this story. Aside from that, on purely what the show have presented us with, Armand tells us/Louis that Claudia will not survive and that her mind would break. He also says he is speaking from experience and he has seen it happen a lot, and considering he is quite old, I believe him. Nicky was also someone who was turned young (we are told this by Armand in 2x3). He also tells lestat that he should have warned him not to turn Nicky because he has a fragile mind that will not survive the transformation. He went mad and allegedly killed himself. Now with that info and I would think that lestat and mostly Armand since he was present(when nicky died) see Claudia's death as a mercy killing to save her from madness. But that's neither here or there I'm just giving my take from what I have gathered from the show. I also think that's what pushed lestat to go after someone like Louis, because he thought he had the "capacity for enduring ". And considering the first time he sees Louis, he had a blade to his brother, for him that showed mental strength coz after everything he had been through, he still put on a brave face to run his business and provide for his family. Paul's death was caused Louis to break that facade and brought him to the brink of khs. Undoubtedly, poor timing for Lestat to offer the gift, but to him, he wanted to see the strong willed Louis back iws.

Yes to all of this! If you have prime video, you can do a free AMC+ subscription for a week and just binge it.

ATP get with old-young vampire Daniel 😂

Seriously. SINGLE LOUIS.

What’s idiotic is going out of your way to miss the point. This video is a direct response to people saying Louis and Claudia are as bad as Lestat or WORSE. I laid out, very clearly, how Lestat is worse than them and added my personal feelings. That’s my prerogative. I don’t give a damn how old your fandom is, I’m gonna do as I please. Who the hell do you think you are? Tf. You’re a random person on the internet just like I am. Get over it. I also said IN THE VIDEO that Lestat is integral to the show and needs to stick around. You people and your irrational idea that just because I’m not absolving a horrible person of their horrible actions means I can’t enjoy the show is ludicrous. Screaming “it’s a gothic show” is a lazy way to avoid critical thought and analysis on beings that DO recognize right from wrong, to some degree-as demonstrated by Lestat himself when he was crying and apologetic for his actions. Your notion that I should somehow be mad that Louis and Claudia prey on people is silly. If I never condemned Lestat for it, why would I condemn them? That doesn’t even make sense. The entire crux of the video is about his treatment of the people he apparently loved. Stick to that, and add something off substance to the conversation instead of lashing out like an insolent child.

@@geminihexx9858 I don’t think you understand gothic fiction either if you think it’s about everyone being a villain, therefore who cares about abusers abusing others, the people who are being abused aren’t good anyway!

Not to mention him vs Armand and an entire coven, he would NOT have won that fight, maybe he went and was forced to do the play, let’s not forget if they kept him there against his will he wouldn’t have been able to warn them, the one truth he told makers can’t hear or speak telepathically to their creations

AND NOT TO MENTION ARMAND IS A 500 SOMETHING ULTRAPOWERFULL VAMPIRE? I understood the video UNTIL you made Lestat the villain in that play, it’s not the actors that decide the script they’re just the ones that have to adhere to it Armand planned the death of his “love” Louis and Claudia and her great love madeleine HE planned that not anyone else had Lestat not gone Louis would have died too .

“Maybe he went and was forced to do the play” I have had to emphasize this several times, but I’ll do it again: we have NO confirmation that he was forced to do anything at this point. I preface, in the very beginning of the video, that this entire video is predicated on the idea that everything we know so far is the truth-meaning there is room for speculation, but until it’s revealed, we’re taking what the show has shown us so far as truth, since what we’ve seen is apparently enough for people to say Louis and Claudia were horrible to Lestat, regardless of the unreliable narration. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. It’s unfair for you, me, or the apologists to use what we know through unreliable narration as a basis for judging the relationship between Lestat, Claudia, and Louis and then flip that the moment a new antagonist is revealed, suddenly saying what we know can’t be trusted. If my analysis is fair going through the time the three of them lived together-and you were with me-then it’s fair when I say Lestat could’ve not participated, because we do NOT know otherwise at this point.

⁠​⁠@@SaidByTywhat you say is true and I understand it and recognize that yes! Lestat is a big villain in all of this, I could never deny that because it’s just so in your face obvious that he’s a generally bad guy! However I only disagreed on the play because I felt like you were pinning it all on Lestat when in the first place it was Armand that orchestrated the entire thing, the narrative of season 1 and 2 could be fake or entirely true but it is said that events in Louis mind were changed by Armand. Of course we have no idea the extent of manipulation that has occurred in the 70 years that Louis was with him but it certainly makes the relationship regarding Claudia, Louis and Lestat a bit untrustworthy since it’s being told by someone who doesn’t even know if their memories are true or not. Again it might be crazy but I just have a general dislike to Armand in the same way you do Lestat, and while I hate Lestat and his putrid actions I feel Armand is being put to the side when in reality he’s the one that orchestrated the murder of Louis Claudia and madeleine he was shown multiple times being very able and capable of freezing time or controlling others on a large scale, him not even attempting it and then taking the credit for saving Louis to then go on and manipulate Louis for years and years is something that, in my eyes, is worse than what Lestat has done. GRANTED we didn’t see those full 70 years unfold we did see the entire relationship between Louis and Lestat in all its ups and downs. AGAIN your opinion on Lestat is warranted and I fully understand it, it’s simply the play part that I personally disagreed with, but we shall see maybe they’ll dive deeper into all of this in the 3rd season!! (They probably will)

@@Gizmowtje I didn’t pin the entire play on Lestat-I held him most accountable for Claudia’s death. There’s a difference. I don’t see why I should care more that Armand orchestrated it over the person who acted as her parent and “loved” her actively participating in it. Armand didn’t care about Claudia at all, so why should I care more about him wanting her dead? I think it’s far more unforgivable if you participate in killing someone you love-which Lestat did.

Evil in what regard, and what did they do to Lestat that wasn’t deserved?

@SaidByTy He wanted love. And they knew that. Especially louis. And also. I pay for the house you live in. I buy all your clothes. And when Claudia was going leave again, he stopped her. You gonna say it's selfish, but if you listen. Lestat said last time you went out, you were raped. Imagine if that happens to you again, louis will never forgive himself. And then she uses lestat money to throw a party to kill him. Claudia is an angel 😇 lol. From the start, Claudia drew a line. Lestat made her. And why is he uncle and louis dad. Louis has his fault too but why is he wrong for wanting love. Just bc you have a child thats not a child, that means i can't have a life of my own. Claudia hated both louis and lestat for them making her so young rightfully so. Louis loves Claudia out of guilt. Lestat grew to hate Claudia bc she poisoning louis against him. Another thing after louis was dropped from the moon. They both could have left. Why were they still in Lestats house.

@@jestinathomas300 So your logic is “I made you, I pay for your things. That means you owe me”? That’s the exact mindset of a toxic parent or abuser lol. Yes, Lestat wanted love so badly that he seduced a grieving man who just lost his brother, and was weak and desperate without telling him what would come with being a vampire. He wanted love so badly that he WEAPONIZED Claudia’s rape against her solely to imprison her. That wasn’t done from the goodness of his heart. He threatens to kill her right after that. The fact that you even brought that up as some kind of justification is wild. Claudia was never poisoning Louis against Lestat-Louis was ready to leave Lestat on his own before Claudia was turned. Literally right before he found her. You ask why they stayed with Lestat when Lestat didn’t allow Claudia to leave when she tried to. You even mention that fact in your statement… think. As for Louis-abuse victims are often attached to their abusers. It’s very interesting how my arguments for why Lestat is garbage is him manipulating a grieving man, cheating on him the whole time and lying about it, being irrationally upset when Louis does the same, threatening to kill Claudia, dropping Louis from the sky, and helping to actually kill Claudia at the trial-while your arguments for why Louis and Claudia are bad is “they didn’t love him enough” and “they used his money.” Please be serious.

Im very serious. We clearly watched a different show bc if you knew all i want from you is love and my way only of showing love is asking me to do things for you, and i do, then you still dont. Then dont ask me for things. Bc you're only getting my hopes up. Ep 2 x08. Louis said i purposely made your life miserable. All three of them are toxic, and i dont think one is better than the other.

@SaidByTy also with the cheating. Cheating is bad. And lestat has no right laughing in that mans face when he asked if he wasnt enough. But when you asked to buy you the azealia for you and then you choose the azealia over me. You dont hunt with me. And hang out with me. Your libido was down. But then you saw Sexy Jonas your libido was up suddenly. Please. Louis was in a phase he hated being a vampire and he was taking it out on him.

I respect this. I can acknowledge that what he said on stage may not have been his words, and he said them to make the audience sympathetic to him. But then considering everything else you mentioned….. yeah lol

Spot on!

That’s what I’m saying. So many of them keep bringing up the books here.

It’s real bad out here for people with common sense

Armand who lynched a black girl is ur bbg?

@memoryisamonster not in that way all i mean is i love to hate armand more than i do lestat

But see, this I can respect. You can be the “I love to hate him type” or you can just enjoy his general shenanigans. I have no problem with that. I enjoy his presence within the narrative, even though he pisses me off. But what I can’t take is the justifying of his actions. That’s what inspired the video.

“Armand is just selfish” as if Lestat isn’t lmao… can’t make this up.

@ when did I say lestat wasn’t?im talking about Armand and him only 🤔 why can’t you have a conversation about Armand without comparing him to lestat You seem like an Armand apologist

@@gibbei Cause that’s the entire point of the video. I literally say in my video that Armand is more justified in his actions than Lestat, and you’re claiming nothing he does is justified. That’s a direct contradiction to the entire point I’m making. Duh. Plus you’re arguing with me on another thread where someone was defending Lestat, so it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know you’re a Lestat apologist-so why wouldn’t I bring him up when you’re obviously defending him without openly saying it? The point is is to compare their individual actions within the given contexts. Wanting me to not include Lestat in that conversation is lazy and redundant. But fine. Armand is terrible. I said as much in the video already. Now what?

@ when did I argue about lestat?I was talking about you taking in the creators own opinion saying it doesn’t matter. You use that rocket science phrase a lot when I can tell you don’t know what youre talking about, the entire point of my comment was how he wasn’t justified instead of hearing that point you bring up lestat🤔 but can’t argue against the fact that everything I said was true

@@gibbei K

Thanks for being a reasonable person lmao

Angle 📐

We’re here now friend. That’s what matters!

@@daydreamer8941 I don’t think Louis ever sexually abused anyone and Armand was a child slave, not a sex worker. Maybe check your antiblackness mate.

Which is why I made it a point to say in the beginning that unless everything we know isn’t true, there is no justification for Lestat. Because I’m aware that we’re getting different perspectives. But the point was that even from the limited knowledge we do have, people have gone out of their way to paint Louis and Claudia in a bad light in favor of Lestat. That’s why this video was made.

@SaidByTy Oh, I get the point of the video. I think that they have already confirmed that Lestat did watch Claudia die and did nothing to stop it. That alone was cold blooded and ruthless, regardless if the events played out the way they did or not. I just know that Anne Rice loved the character and used the second book as a way to retcon a bunch of the evil actions of Lestat and put him in a more sympathetic light. I'm not sure if this iteration will get that chance, but they did create an easy out with Armand. We know that Armand is obsessed with Louis and is jealous of Lestat. So it would not be unreasonable to believe that many of Louis' memories of Lestat specifically were altered by Armand.

I tend to think the arguments “they’re vampires, they’re not moral” and “it’s a gothic show” are easy copouts to avoid critical analysis on creatures who are ultimately capable of empathy and remorse. Reducing them to just monsters, in my opinion, is a disservice. There’s a reason Lestat is so apologetic by the end of season 2-he knows he was wrong. Which, to me, means vampires ARE capable of having morality and acting within it. Just like people. They’re just more intense and their prey happens to BE people. That’s it.

@@SaidByTy I didn't touch the subject of analysing the world itself and what drives vampires to be their complex selves in my comment. I'm saying that the play of finding innocence and evil is meaningless in a world of vampires that exist in the inbetween spaces of otherness. Viewing vampirism as hightened intensity of people simplifies vampiric fiction as vampires are supposed to be eternal beings that, in their eternity, stop viewing time, morality, and feelings themselves as something static or direct or defined in human measures. It's supposed to reach the height of celestial incomprehensible mechanics. That understanding is crucial for gothic fiction in exploring philosophy of decay and ruin and the romance of that ruin. A lot of your video invites scene-by-scene retelling of events unfolding in the show that focuses on defining Lestat as the root evil of it all, while overlooking the complexity of the world and its participants saturated throughout the show. That complexity is something that can still be approached meaningfully without justifying Lestat's actions and spinning him to be a victim. And a lot of people in the TV's fandom like to lean one way or the other. Lestat is a highly enticing creature that both suffers and weaponizes his suffering. He loves feeling apologetic and guilty, but he also loves the theatrics of unweiling his apologetics. He will always be haunted by Claudia's death as he loved Claudia and Claudia was his blood, he will always feel apologetic for it, but he would also never change it because he liked the pure unpredictability and drama of those years in New Orleans. In vampire chronicles, there is no character growth. Characters are always stuck, when they are transformed into vampires, that trauma and mental space they were changed with will always remain definitive for them. That's another part of why it's a gothic fiction and we shouldn't approach this universe through human's perspective of which logical decision should have followed another logical decision. That's why Lestat will always be dissatisfied with the notoriety he reaches, that's why Louis will always feel guilty for loving vampirism, that's why Armand seeks dominance and loyalty to one being but will also always sway away from it. It's unfair how people infantilise Louis because Louis has his own depth and complexity that extends far beyond the flatness of being Lestat's victim yet doesn't diminish it either. Human Louis was a pimp that took marginalised girls and sold their bodies to whoever bid best, having a good comfortable life off of that with no worry to his mind. He is not a good person and never has been. Him cruelly drawing a blade on his brother to keep his status is what drew Lestat to him. Him being Lestat's victim doesn't diminish Louis's own darkness, yet also doesn't diminish him being a victim. It's unfair you keep calling Louis a pickme, which I understand you have done for comedic purposes, but again diminishes Louis' complexity in never viewing Claudia as her own person either, but an instrument for his own egotistical agendas. Louis doesn't miss being a human, he loves vampirism. He feels like he should atone for that, so he begs to turn Claudia as the link to that cleansing humanity, and then never sees Claudia as something bigger than that. That's his own trauma of turning that will always remain definitive for him. That's why he thanks Lestat for the gift given to him, because he loves being a vampire and he loves Lestat for giving him that gift. But it also doesn't diminish him always despising Lestat for both turning him and being his abuser. Claudia seeks theatre because she's Lestat blood. She despises Lestat, but she is also his extension, which she hates also. She does have characteristics in her that seek those same pompous theatrics and cruelty that Lestat has. And she also wants to belong. Her following her maker's footsteps adds to the tragedy of attempting to run away from her maker. That's not character regression, that has always been Claudia. But also how you talk of Armand, you simplify him as well. I understand why, we haven't seen much of him and he's one of the most complicated tragic characters. Yet it's still a disservice, Armand is not manipulated or coerced by the coven. Armand is csa victim that orchestrates the structure of dominance and takes interest in seeking that control, yet is also dissatisfied by its consequences. He despises Louis for picking not only Lestat but Claudia, and has planned to kill Claudia when first laying eyes on her. He does not choose the coven, because he was never loyal to that coven. In the years following the trial, Louis stays with Armand because he's in a headspace of detachment, of letting Armand have the ending he desires and yet not feeling hatred or love for him. He's in a state of apathy that in it's own way imprisons Armand as well. Yes, it's a gothic show.

@@insenkiv4619You get it, excellent comment!

@ I’m sorry, but again I feel it’s lazy to say “we can’t approach this from a human lens.” It feels like a copout, similar to those who say “God works in mysterious ways” when you deeply and intensely question their beliefs and bring up biblical contradictions. I’ve certainly never been a vampire, and I doubt you have either-so there is INHERENTLY no other way to view the show. You can attempt to detach your human emotions all you want, but even then, SO much of what you listed reads to me as vampires experiencing a heightened sense of human emotion-to the point where, yes, it’s nearly incomprehensible to us for the fact that they’re immortal. I’m sure vampire loneliness is much more intense than human loneliness-it’s still loneliness. I don’t think acknowledging that simplifies it at all. But even so, I feel like everything you said doesn’t actually contradict anything I said. Yes, we can have a meaningful approach in understanding Lestat’s actions without justifying them. Exactly. If you can recognize that his actions aren’t justified, then what exactly is the argument? That his complex psyche and complicated emotions contribute to his actions? Okay. But what does that actually change here? I never claimed he’s the “root of all evil” and I CERTAINLY never assigned innocence to anyone. I brought up both Louis AND Armand’s horrid actions. This video wasn’t an essay on WHY the vampires are the way they are; it wasn’t meant to be a full blown character analysis, exploring the depths and complexities of the eternal vampire and what makes them tick-it’s a direct response to those who say Louis, Claudia, and even Armand, are WORSE than Lestat and why I disagree. It’s about how they interact WITH EACH OTHER, and who I feel is the worse among them and analyzing why I believe it to be so. Period. I could go over why the characters behave the way they do all day, but that won’t change who I think is worse among them-cause that’s not the point of the video. So yes, these are simplified descriptions of the characters, but the critical anlysis here lies within their actions themselves and who I feel is or is not justified in their actions. That’s the basis I’m using to make my point- it was never meant to be more. I can fully understand all those things you listed (and for the record, I do), but that doesn’t mean I have to absolve Lestat of his actions and how he treats those he loves. I can recognize his vampirism plays a part in all of it and still feel that way. And that’s what it boils down to.

@@insenkiv4619 They’ve established in the show that vampires who rape and abuse others are wrong for doing it, that the other vampires they inflict it on suffer for it, so why are you excusing Lestat for something even HE felt he needed to apologize for? You say they’re complex and not to infantilize Louis, but you are simplifying and infantilizing Lestat by saying it’s just his nature he can’t help it. While also villainizing Louis and Claudia to dismiss the abuse that was inflicted on them, which is eyebrow-raising. Gothic literature is all about morality too, by the way, so you are misusing the term by saying "it’s a gothic story, leave your human morals at the door".