ER40 Collet Arbor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- Gday, This video I make a new ER40 collet arbor after I had to cut the nut off the original arbor I had, Im really happy with the end result, I've also tried a different video format so please let me know what you think, Thanks for watching, Cheers
I just LOVE a mystery! Very nice job. I just emailed Jim to see if his backlog of orders has thinned out a bit. I make a lot of microwave antenna feedhorns which all need different tapers, so I set up a horrible bodge with a 5 inch sine bar and some clamps and plates. I never thought of using a magnetic clamp solution and a side cheek. I saw the original vid last year and decided I needed to get one, but didn't want to overwhelm the lad. Those big, but relatively fine threads are a bugger when they gall up or cold-weld to a stray chip. I've only had one stick on me, but I got it off with help from a blowtorch and some tappy-tap-tap with a two pound hammer and one of Doubleboost John's splendid bell-end hook spanners. Couldn't see what causes the problem, so I spun the body and nut in the lathe and gave them a good seeing-to with a wire brush, then polished the threads with a bit of Cratex and used a smear of copper grease. That probably scared the h*ck out of it and it was fine. I upgraded all my collet chucks and blocks to ball bearing nuts about a year ago, and I've not had a problem since. The original nut was from an unknown source and made from that special mystery metal that seems to be popular with low cost tooling suppliers,
Prefer to have a commentary. A discussion of what is being achieved. I often listen and watch the detail when it is significant to me.
No worries Glenn, appreciate your feedback, cheers
G’day Matty ,
One thing with the ball bearing type nuts - check to make sure the little grub screw that blocks the hole where the bearings are fed in is tight , I had one come loose and it flung tiny ball bearings all over the shop .
Gday Ian, thanks for the advice, I’ll make sure it tight mate, cheers
You have the speeds and feeds dialed in my friend.(I'm a bit jealous, I haven't reached that spot yet)Those finishes are superb! Well done. Shame that buggered up on you.
Cheers from Canada
Gday, there’s been plenty of trail and error to get the feeds and speeds dialled in, inserts make a big difference in surface finish to mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Wow! That got really stuck. I have not seen that before.
The replacement turned out great. Nice machining as usual.
Gday, It completely locked up solid, I wasn't to happy when it happened thats for sure, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Lol , got there in the end ! Watched this ages ago & forgot to drop a comment ! 👍
Thanks for watching mate, cheers
When you used the word "MISHAP" well lets say I'm glad your alright. Needing a new NUT, doesn't matter, I'm glad your OK. Enjoyed the Vid.
Gday, I’m all good but when it happened I was a bit emotionally unstable one would say, lots of bad words were said, thanks for watching, cheers
there is nothing like making your own tools .. I enjoy it myself , cheers
Gday, better building them then buying them mate, thanks for watching, cheers
So nice seeing someone using a vac rather than air-gun to clean up chips!
Gday, vacuum is the way to go, the pipe blocks up easily is the only thing, thanks for watching, cheers
Came out way better than store bought!
Thanks Dave, appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
I enjoyed that! In all honesty, I think I watched this video more intently than other videos - because you weren't talking. I had to watch and pay close attention to what you were doing. Usually I watch and listen, and if the Mrs. or kids distract me, it's no bother, I can still see/hear you while half paying attention to them as well.
That said, I prefer to listen to your voice, but this was still great fun!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Gday, this format has had mixed opinions, it was a good trail but I think I’ll go back to the old format, I was trying to get the arbor made as quick as possible, certainly a lot easier to edit, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Matty, I'll remind you what Thomas Edison once said when asked why it took 1,000 attempts to create the light bulb. " I didn't fail 999 times. I discovered 999 ways not to make a light bulb." Don't view it as a failure, but as a learning experience.
Definitely Craig, appreciate you watching, ch
Fantastic job Matty. As careful as we all try to be something is always going to happen that delays us a bit. The trick is being able to overcome those challenges. You are one who can do that. Thanks for taking us along.
side-jobs stacks up all the time-to make one part,you often have to do 4 or 5 different things to make the build done🤣Murphy is always there
Gday Joe, there’s always something that goes wrong and it’s always at the wrong time, the best part is we can fix the issue ourselves most of the time, making my own tooling is something I enjoy doing, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Personally , I prefer the old format where you talk about what you are doing, much easier to learn from you that way... at least for me.
Gday, This format has had mixed views but i'll be going back to the old way I think, its what im used to in editing also, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Lovely job Matty. I like the new tool and like the new format 👌
Gday Craig, I think I’ll be going back to the original format, there’s a few mixed opinions but it was so much easier to edit, thanks for watching mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Ok. Maybe you can use the other format normally, but switch to this format only when you are running short on time. 👍
Well done Matty. Materials definitely can dictate the amount of galling as well.
Always a pleasure. Gary
Gday Gary, the material was 4140, not sure what the nut was made from though, the way it locked up you’d swear it was stainless, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Strewth Matty, you mended that barstard beyond repair 😂, nicely done mind you, a quick clean up of the old threads and shell do as a spare
Gday Ralfy, that arbor is set for the up the shit shelve, I was a bit emotionally unstable when the nut locked up, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop lol I'll bet mate
Same as Mark said. Better with naration than silence. Looks good though.
Regards.
Steve.
No worries Steve, appreciate you watching, cheers
Very good job Matty..thanks for your time
Thanks mate, appreciate you watching, cheers
Excellent job, Matty. I'd never seen that type of sine bar before. Looks really handy. I turned a taper recently but had to rely on the degree scale on my compound. Thanks for showing me something new! All the best, Mart in England.
Gday, the sine bars have made cutting tapers easy and the accuracy is the best I’ve ever had, I need to buy a set of gauge blocks now, adjustable parallels are good but blocks would be quicker again, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Your new video format is spot on! I can think of one other machining channel that would benefit from this format, but I'm not calling names. Keep up the good work, I have really enjoyed watching you and your shop grow over the past three years I've been watching.
Gday, This format has had really mixed views to be honest, I think ill be going back to the old format for now, its really hard to keep all the viewers happy and but I will say the editing was so much easier, Thanks for all your support over the past few years mate, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop You can't satisfy everyone! Do what's best for Matty! And please keep the vids coming.
Nice! I like how you even chamfered the edges of the flats to match the cylinder shoulder chamfer. Now I really want to try out my sine bar, just need shop time to do it, lol!
Gday, your going to really like the sine bar, everything is accurate and quick to setup, I hope you get some time soon to get back in the workshop mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Another top tool make. Thanks for the video mate 👍🇦🇺
Thanks very much Mark, appreciate you watching mate, cheers
Nicely made Matty, there goes that TNGG again, and I've still not got round to ordering one! Lol. Cheers, Jon
Gday Jon, they just work mate, cheers
Excellent build….koko
Thanks very much Chuck, really enjoyed your hardware video to mate, cheers
Another thing of beauty Matty. Threads seem to pack up at the worst possible times. Looks like you scored some precision blocks to use with the sine plates. Good investment there.
Thanks for the bonus footage and take care.
Gday John, I picked up a set of adjustable parallels a couple of months ago, there good to have, thanks for watching, cheers
Nice work!
The sine bar seems to be THE tool for setting up the topslide in a precise angle.
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Well, I knew what you're doing, but:
Someone unfamiliar with it has little or no idea what is happening.
Perhaps as a compromise a short subtitle line with the current work process?
Gday, thanks for the feedback, appreciate you watching, cheers
Very skilled Matty. Interesting to see the sine bar. And by coincidence I've just recently bought an ER32 nut with the ball bearing, following a suggestion from a friend. Cheers
Gday Paul, The sine bar makes the setup a lot quicker and accurate, i've been using the new ER40 bearing nut and i'm really happy it, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Another nice job there Matty. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks very much Patrick, really appreciate your support mate, cheers
Thanks Matty glad you made her right!👍😁
Thanks James, appreciate you watching, cheers
Geeze! It is just so satisfying to watch you do your magic on the machines until that signature surface finish shows up and it's not just the finish but the fit also. Great job! Love your channel!
Gday, The inserts are what make the surface finish's possible, speeds and feeds get them right and its easy, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Excellent video as usual Matty, but I have to say. I much prefer it with your talking and giving explanations. 😁😁
Gday Peter, I’m sensing viewers are not keen on this type of format, I apologise mate, thanks for watching, cheers
You make thing’s looking easy good job
Excellent work!!
Thanks very much Steve, appreciate you watching, cheers
Sorry you had the issues with the other arbor. Great build and video for the new one.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Joe, appreciate you watching and commenting mate, cheers
eyup Matty
I would never have thought it would have jammed up solid like that. Well there's a first time for everything, keep up the good work. Nice to see the sine bar getting used
cheers
Kev
Gday Kev, I had Trent try to loosen the nut and he couldn’t get it to move either, I didn’t try heating the nut because of the collet, it felt similar to when stainless nuts and bolts lock up, thanks for watching, cheers
Another great video.Nice to see the Sine bar being set up.Thanks
Thanks Robert, appreciate you watching, cheers
Good day Matty👌👏
Gday, thanks for watching, cheers
Some excellent quality machining Matty. The Sine Bar is a fantastic tool. Perfect result every time. I'm sure the ER40 collet is much better than one you could by anyway. Well done. Cheers Nobby
Gday Nobby, the sine bar makes life easy mate, accurate every time, thanks for watching, cheers
More excellent work Matty and a good tutorial for others. I also want to make an ER40 collet arbor, but not as a replacement. My objective is to make one with the shortest body possible for projects that need max height under the quill. I've had some ball bearing nuts for quite a while now and they are definitely a better option.
Cheers.
Gday Alan, I’m looking forward to trying the new collet nut, from what I hear there pretty good, thanks for watching, cheers
Good one Matty. Those sine bars are worth every cent. I liked the new format too the videos are getting good. Keep up the good work
Gday Rod, sine bars are a time saver on setups and accuracy, the format is getting mixed opinions and I think I’ll be going back to what I was doing, thanks for watching, cheers
Hello Matty,
Good work on the arbor... The new format was good although I did miss you having a chat as you did different operations although you did have a chat at the end of the video.
Take care.
Paul,,
Gday Paul, I tried this format just to see how it went, viewers definitely prefer the old style, thanks for watching mate, cheers
I got a ER32 ball bearing nut for my arbor. It is night and day compared to the regular nut. Repeatability is better too.
Gday Tom, Im really looking forward to trying the new nut out, ive been told there pretty good, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Great video, Matty! I need to make the same collet arbor, so this is my roadmap. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and techniques!
Gday, I’m glad the videos is helpful, appreciate you watching and commenting mate, cheers
Good show!
Thanks Paul, cheers
Nice work Matty. That sine plate is so useful and makes setup fast. Cheers Kevin
Gday Kevin, certainly a lot quicker and more accurate I’ve found, thanks for watching, cheers
It's a bit stange that the nut decides to freeze solid on the tread. I had several thread mishaps and things that got stuck, but never like this.
Wel, at least now you have a newer new one :)
Gday Rustinox, it felt very similar to when stainless locks up, Trent had a go and he’s a lot bigger then me now and couldn’t move, most we got was just shy of a quarter turn, it locked up tight, Thanks for watching, cheers
I keep seeing you use those sine plates and you have just about convinced me to get one. I have an MT5 spindle in my lathe and being able to slap an er collet in it would be nice.
Gday, the sine bars have made setup time a lot quicker and more accurate, good tool im my opinion, cheers
If you've a mind too, make the Morse taper a Number 5. Bore the holder for the largest hole, what 29mm, so that you can hold a longer bar in the tool
Different is good, still enjoyed. Thank you.
Gday Darren, there’s mixed opinions on this format, think I better go back to the original mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop happy either way. Keep up the good work.
Perhaps one of those antiseize lubes would help? Nice finish on the Arbor.
Gday, good idea using antiseize, thanks for watching, cheers
Another very educational one. 👍👍👍
Any chance I could seek a sticker from you to adorn the fridge door in my workshop alongside Max’s one to keep it company please Matty? 👍
Gday Ian, more then happy to send some stickers, email your address to ttmrj@telstra.com
Thanks for watching mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Shall do, thanks heaps.👍
Maybe just a tad bit looser thread engagement on the collet nut? Since others have commented about it, I liked this format for about the first third of the vid, then not so much. Maybe try a combination of the old and this format with a bit of voice over. For example and probably just me, but from 8.50 -9.25 it took me a minute to figure out you were getting the collet to seat down to correct depth in the new chuck. Cheers and Thx for the vid.
Gday, this format is getting mixed opinions and I’ll be going back to original, i’m not keen on voice overs personally, the thread I did make a little looser and hopefully it helps, thanks for watching, cheers
Wow and fantastic. Just amazing that tool was stuck so tight. .
Gday, I had Trent have a go trying to loosen the nut as well, he’s bigger then me and he couldn’t do it, most we got was less then a quarter turn, thanks for watching, cheers
Nice work as always. Could you please make a comment in a future video about the bearing collet nut when you receive it? Like, do you notice any difference? 👍👍😎👍👍
Gday, I will yes, im interested to see how it goes myself, thanks for watching, cheers
Cheers, Matty.
Thanks for watching and commenting, cheers
Yeah, i get you, i love collet chucks, and precision collets, and i love them for drill retention capacity without marking the shanks of the drills, despite the holding power, unlike a 3 jaw jacobs style chuck for drilling... But when you have to change the drill out, I take it outta mill, brush the ever stubborn fuck out of them, put the body, the used collet, next collet and the nut in a steel mesh and dunk it in a vat of acetone mixed with way oil, brush the parts in there with a long haired brush, jiggle them about a bit, take them out, blast them with air and wipe the parts down with a rag, then i apply a hint of spindle oil onto the inside tapers of the nut and body and locate the collet in the nut, put the drill in and after greasing the nut threads, lock it in the body... The oil is only problematic if you get it into the collet bore, as it should be dry when its about to hold a part, but the tapers and threads are best lubed, as that reduces any part friction and allows better clamping with less wear on the chuck and collets... Having to do that for every tool change drives me mad as hell when the project has 10 or more tool changes...
It is making me consider making a collet chuck for every tool i have, or shrink fit weldon holders, as those i can then just chuck up in the deckel s1 and regrind the tool in the holder, taking out any eccentricity that might be there with a factory grind... But that i could do for the big mill and big lathe, as those have large enough tapers that can accommodate any tool, where the baby mill and baby lathe use mt2, which is hardly suitable for shrink fit holding... All in all, i would have to make around 200 toolholders a thou undersize, all of which i would have to send out for heat treatment and plasma nitriding, and then grind them back to spec with the 1 thou of nitride coating remaining... Im in the process of gathering toolsteel for it, as i would like the cores to be around 48HRC and the outside at over 60 with the nitride layer... But its gonna be a job and a half... But having a collection of tooling that i can just swap with a gentle spindle taper wipe with oily cloth rather than the whole aforementioned procedure would be just dandy... And i dont fear tools slipping in the spindle taper due to faint whiff of oil, as the spindles on my machines have retention dogs that lock the tool dead in place, so the oil is there to prevent any faux brinelling common to dry surfaces. A proper taper fit should deny that from occurring entirely, yet i like to have a bit of oil there to prevent any possible oxidation... And the draw bar tightens the tapers together, so any oil is squeezed out, so its there only to help reduce sliding wear as the tool is slid into spindle taper...
Good job mate 👍
Thanks mate, talk soon, cheers
really good Matt, you do so much better than a lot of other U Tubers.. what kind of steel did you start with? that sine bar thing is beyond me but i can see it is pretty darn good.👍👍👍
Gday, thanks for the positive feedback, the material was 4140, the sine bar is really easy to use, thanks for watching, cheers
well done mate nice work another good vid bud cheers paul
Thanks mate, really appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
Hello Matty, where can I lay my hands on the sine plate? Thanks. Bob
Gday Bob, the sine bars are from Tangent Engineering, send jim an email at jimenos@acushnettool.com
Tell him I sent you mate, cheers
You _could_ buy one of those, but getting the part quickly counts too. I doubt you'd get one any better without spending a meaningful heap of money either way.
Gday Jim, definitely much quicker to make one, parcels can take a while to arrive here, thanks for watching, cheers
Nice work, Matty. What material is that? You got great finishes with it!
Gday Russell, all the tools (99%) I make I use 4140, I find the tools hold up well over time until the nut locks up and wrecks the day 😂, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Nice buddy!
Thanks very much, appreciate you watching, cheers
Another awesome looking result Matty, well done 👍
Thanks very much, appreciate you watching mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop It's always a pleasure, mind you I had to check the calendar and see what day it was. 🙃
Great job Matty. Iv'e got to get one of those sine bars. Whick one do you use the most? I think my lathe is the same as yours almost.
Gday, so far I’ve used the 4” the most, this suits the compound on my lathe, thanks for watching, cheers
Tool room quality!
Thanks Bill, appreciate you watching mate, Cheers
Good on ya mate
Cheers, thanks for watching
Even though you are in Australia it’s still righty tightie lefty loosie lol
It’s still the same down here mate, thanks for watching, cheers
How do you know that the edge of compound slide, is exactly parallel to the direction of travel?
Gday, my compound is pretty spot on, each taper I have turned hasn’t needed any further adjustment after using the bearing blue, to me the compound is true to the direction of travel, thanks for watching, cheers
What kind of steel did you use? Nice looking collet chuck.
Gday, I used 4140 for his job, Thanks for watching, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thanks Matty. It gives you a nice surface finish.
Great video! If you had another Arbor you would never have had the failure, lol
Gday, its always the way, I have the ER 32 arbor but not many collet, thanks for watching, cheers
Hey Matty, just in time, how did you know I need to make the exact same tool??? 😂
Greg
Gday Greg, perfect timing mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Qual aco foi utilizado ??????
Hi Matty, what is the model of the triangle tool that you have in your lathe? Is it a MTJNR1616H16?
Gday, Sorry I missed your comment, The triangle insert I use are TNGG, Ill have to have a look at the holder to see if its the same...
Gday, sorry for the late reply, the tool holder I use for the TNGG inserts is MTQNR1616H16, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thanks Matty, much appreciated.
What inserts and tool holders are you using?
Gday, the insert I use to get the best finish is a Union Materials TNGG 160404 and the tool holder is MTQNR16H16, also I use a Palbit WNMG 080408 and the tool holder is MWLNR1616H08, hope this helps, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thanks so much.
Doing a bit of bragging there, aren't you. Parking your boat in the middle of the harbour. 😉😜😆
Not a bad runabout mate, but thirsty for a day’s fishing 🤣
Brake it, make a new one, repeat 😂
That’s pretty much how it goes mate, thanks for watching, cheers
P'fect work and p'fect video
Thanks very much, cheers
Hey I m finally the first one to like & comment hope ur having a great day Matty from another Matt
Gday Matt, definitely first, well done, I did have a good day mate, cheers
I truly hate the "no talking" format. Please go back to explaining what is going on.
My apologies, cheers
hey matty, what insert are you using?
Gday Kevin, the inserts are TNGG, cheers
Lookin good! Enjoyed watching, thanks.
Thanks John, appreciate you watching, cheers