Actually, Alex played in the minors his first 3 years in professional baseball from 94-96. In 1994, he played at all 3 levels. He spent all of 1995 in Triple A, and played 54 games at Triple A in 1996 before being called up and having a monster rookie season. Mike Trout had a helluva debut year and he's remembered for that. But A-Rod's rookie year was even better. 36 home runs and a .358 average with 123 RBI's.
Not by much, Marc. Arod's wins above replacement in 2000 was 10.4, Trout's 10.8. Consider that by 2000, the league knew about Arod. Trout came out of nowhere. So even though Trout's WAR was .4 higher, I think Arod's is more legit. (not taking into consideration he used PED's of course)
You have to have some ability. Otherwise, any idiot on roids would be an all star! People give steroids too much credit. At this level of play..you better have the fundamentals down and at a very high level..then you add roids for recovery, healing and SOME (not too much) increa in performance..it’s not a miracle drug..
Bothers me that in others sports.When athletics there body changes, oh the just hard workers and in baseball is steroids .i put the example on 3 guys came to the scene in 1996.A-ROD,TIGER and KOBE.The 3 of them sign professional at the age of 18.They were skinny like 3 toothbrushes.And over the years there bodies change dramatically.And A-ROD is the only one that took steriods.
No steroid scandal, and I'd say ARod is clearly better. He's got more homeruns and a better lifetime batting average. I know Ortiz has been clutch, and ARod has struggled on occasion in important games, but overall, talent wise, ARod is better. I love Ortiz, and hate ARod so take that into consideration. I gave the nod to the guy I don't like because there's no arguing stats.
Are you comparing that joke supplement that Ortiz took that he didn't even know was illegal to A-Rod originally lying then getting tarred positive for things far worse and also the involvement in the Miami clinic?
***** The bottom line is that you have no better idea than anyone else what Ortiz tested for, as that information was never released, and he never tested positive for anything else in his career. Also, A-Rod was on the same list as Ortiz, which was for testing positive for ANY banned substance so he did fail a test even though you claim he never did. Since he admitted to using steroids at the time, we know what it is what he tested positive for. End of story.
The bottom line is numbers at the twins to the redsox shot up by a lot...his last season in the twins he hit about 19..then goes to the redsox and he's going 35-45 a season.
So you mean to tell me that my Seattle Mariners had David Ortiz in our farm system? Wth that's the problem with the mariners, we give up all of our stars and future stars to other teams. Smdh
Except there is no failed test or PEDs there. With every other name linked to the list, the union let the players twist in the wind. When someone said Ortiz was on the list, the player's union came out and said some players were on the list simply for having big power numbers but hadn't failed a test. Teammates all came out to defend Ortiz and said they're confident he never took PEDs because of how strongly he hates cheaters and wants lifetime bans for steroids users. Again, show me a single failed test ever.
+T. J. Brumfield I stopped reading at "players union said". Btw, that report leaked and it wasn't supposed to. There we many names on it and he was one. Funny how he was shit until he failed that test that nobody knew about and then he blew it up. It's a New York Times article. Look it up.
+T. J. Brumfield I actually love his talent don't get me wrong. I still think he's on it, as do most people. Yes, I know that is strictly my opinion. But the failed test is not. I love his game, but it's just a shame he's a scumbag of a person. His roid rage shows all the time. How about the homers increasing in numbers as he approached 40, not to mention he's hitting them even further than before according to statcast. Him, Arod and bonds, I can truly say have remarkable talent that I might not see again. I enjoyed it at times, but none of them are legit. Btw, bonds never "failed a drug test". Have a good day sir
Awesome story....Ortiz failed a drug test in 2003...his homeruns numbers went from the 15-2 Hr's for the twins to hitting 30-40-50 in a season for the Redsox.
@@williamsanders2348 Goes from 15 average homers at the twins to 40-50, obvious he was using the same PEDS for years with Manny before the Mitchell report reported Ortiz was an official drug cheat.
I love how this had a twist anti-a-rod ending
Still, the taint is upon Ortiz, too.
Congratulations Big Papi on hall of fame induction, you deserve it.
Steroid user.
Ortiz. Now a current Hall of Famer.
Thanks for This Historic clip!
Gracias!
Actually, Alex played in the minors his first 3 years in professional baseball from 94-96. In 1994, he played at all 3 levels. He spent all of 1995 in Triple A, and played 54 games at Triple A in 1996 before being called up and having a monster rookie season. Mike Trout had a helluva debut year and he's remembered for that. But A-Rod's rookie year was even better. 36 home runs and a .358 average with 123 RBI's.
Look at the WAR.... trouts rookie year is not only the best by a rookie, it's one of the best ever
Trouts rookie season was better than any season arod had in his career
Not by much, Marc. Arod's wins above replacement in 2000 was 10.4, Trout's 10.8. Consider that by 2000, the league knew about Arod. Trout came out of nowhere. So even though Trout's WAR was .4 higher, I think Arod's is more legit. (not taking into consideration he used PED's of course)
+Ethan A. Hawley that's also a guy entering his prime vs a rookie.
Marc Jean Good point.
The reporter puts the taint on A-Rod but not on Papi?
I never knew Ortiz was so skinny back then! Didn't even recognize the frame or the swing.
Ya and arod is the only juicer lmao
The overall swing was different, but the stroke was the same.
You have to have some ability. Otherwise, any idiot on roids would be an all star! People give steroids too much credit. At this level of play..you better have the fundamentals down and at a very high level..then you add roids for recovery, healing and SOME (not too much) increa in performance..it’s not a miracle drug..
Bothers me that in others sports.When athletics there body changes, oh the just hard workers and in baseball is steroids .i put the example on 3 guys came to the scene in 1996.A-ROD,TIGER and KOBE.The 3 of them sign professional at the age of 18.They were skinny like 3 toothbrushes.And over the years there bodies change dramatically.And A-ROD is the only one that took steriods.
You can't drastically change your body type like that
Little did we know two hall of gamers and arod we're on the feild
Anyone who says Arod is better than Ortiz is high as fuck
Do you know anything about baseball? Because it isn't fucking close
No steroid scandal, and I'd say ARod is clearly better. He's got more homeruns and a better lifetime batting average. I know Ortiz has been clutch, and ARod has struggled on occasion in important games, but overall, talent wise, ARod is better. I love Ortiz, and hate ARod so take that into consideration. I gave the nod to the guy I don't like because there's no arguing stats.
+Ethan A. Hawley you realize Ortiz was mentioned on the same 2003 list as arod? The mlb just decided who they were going to make the villain
well arod also admitted it so the mlb didnt make him "the villain" for no reason
Agree arod did it... So did the majority of the league
Who the f is David Ortiz and why should I care if he's gone at least I know who Dave Hollins even is
and let's hear it for Dan Wilson
This is awesome
So basically they had two steroid users facing off in the HR contest.
If A-Rod is a "skinny kid" then shit, I'd love to be skinny.
Are you comparing that joke supplement that Ortiz took that he didn't even know was illegal to A-Rod originally lying then getting tarred positive for things far worse and also the involvement in the Miami clinic?
***** The bottom line is that you have no better idea than anyone else what Ortiz tested for, as that information was never released, and he never tested positive for anything else in his career. Also, A-Rod was on the same list as Ortiz, which was for testing positive for ANY banned substance so he did fail a test even though you claim he never did. Since he admitted to using steroids at the time, we know what it is what he tested positive for. End of story.
The bottom line is numbers at the twins to the redsox shot up by a lot...his last season in the twins he hit about 19..then goes to the redsox and he's going 35-45 a season.
@@telephonic dude he didn’t even play 100 games his number increase by more at bats and easier Park in Fenway.
So you mean to tell me that my Seattle Mariners had David Ortiz in our farm system? Wth that's the problem with the mariners, we give up all of our stars and future stars to other teams. Smdh
Yep The M's Should've Kept Ortiz I Wondered How Much Of A Difference Would Ortiz Make
DoesNotExist305 From the looks of his video, there was lol
Varitek and Lowe come to mind
Ortiz didn't start hitting Home runs until AFTER he went to Boston btw. He couldn't do anything in Minnesota.
Except steal home on a double steal
david ortiz favorite player
Nice piece.
Arod > Ortiz
+faho0ody wbas Oritz has zero failed drug tests. So, A-Rod is leading that category.
+T. J. Brumfield I guess the PED's in 2003 don't count.
Except there is no failed test or PEDs there. With every other name linked to the list, the union let the players twist in the wind. When someone said Ortiz was on the list, the player's union came out and said some players were on the list simply for having big power numbers but hadn't failed a test. Teammates all came out to defend Ortiz and said they're confident he never took PEDs because of how strongly he hates cheaters and wants lifetime bans for steroids users.
Again, show me a single failed test ever.
+T. J. Brumfield I stopped reading at "players union said". Btw, that report leaked and it wasn't supposed to. There we many names on it and he was one. Funny how he was shit until he failed that test that nobody knew about and then he blew it up. It's a New York Times article. Look it up.
+T. J. Brumfield I actually love his talent don't get me wrong. I still think he's on it, as do most people. Yes, I know that is strictly my opinion. But the failed test is not. I love his game, but it's just a shame he's a scumbag of a person. His roid rage shows all the time. How about the homers increasing in numbers as he approached 40, not to mention he's hitting them even further than before according to statcast. Him, Arod and bonds, I can truly say have remarkable talent that I might not see again. I enjoyed it at times, but none of them are legit. Btw, bonds never "failed a drug test". Have a good day sir
If only he played on the mariners
I say give everyone steroids and then watch the fun
fkn awesome
Very interesting story, lol
Ken griffey jr all the way
This is awesome, is it real? lol
Yes. At least it seems so. I read an article on it a few months back. Great to see video to go with it.
Awesome story....Ortiz failed a drug test in 2003...his homeruns numbers went from the 15-2 Hr's for the twins to hitting 30-40-50 in a season for the Redsox.
Right, because he failed a test, and they never tested him again. Are you doing better now?
@@williamsanders2348 Goes from 15 average homers at the twins to 40-50, obvious he was using the same PEDS for years with Manny before the Mitchell report reported Ortiz was an official drug cheat.
@@telephonic first ballot hall of famer!!!!! I know your happy.
@@telephonic what did Ortiz test positive for? He tested negative from 2004-2016 and still put up all those stats