Installing the Dr. KDSS Front Sway Bar End Adapters [4Runner, Land Cruiser, GX470, GX460]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I install the Dr. KDSS Front Sway Bar End Adapters. Dr. KDSS makes a bunch of great KDSS related accessories including overrides, bushing clamps, rear sway bar bracket extensions, and more. This video is NOT sponsored and honestly I suck at HOW-TO videos so hopefully this provides a bit of insight into the install if you plan to do it.
Dr. KDSS link: drkdss.com/collections/kdss/p...
0:00 intro
1:04 Dr. KDSS kit
3:12 disconnecting passenger bracket
4:58 trimming OEM bracket
6:05 installing KDSS adapter
8:04 reconnecting sway bar on passenger side
9:50 rebolting passenger side
11:11 rebolting driver side
13:55 conclusion
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2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road with KDSS
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Hey bro thanks for the video !! 🤘🏽🙌🏽
The man the myth the legend!
I recently did the shocks on our GX460 and couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get the sway bar bolted back on. This was EXTREMELY helpful and you've saved me an embarrassing visit to the shop. Thank you bro.
I’m glad! I really like KDSS but it’s definitely more involved reattaching it haha.
Contrary to what you said in the description, you do not suck at install videos! Great job on this detailed look on how to install the Dr. KDSS Front Sway Bar End Adapters!
Haha thanks dude!
GREAT JOB MAN and thanks for the helpful video!!!
Nice editing bro. You did a good job explaining this👍🏾
Thanks!
Great video
I'm a huge fan of preventative maintenance, and I can see how this helps align the sway bar at a better angle. What I don't see is the true benefit vs the cost. Even if the bushings need to be replaced they would probably be cheaper than this mod many times over.
Maybe, but if you take into account the time/cost associated with additional maintenance involved with replacing bushings more often maybe there’s a benefit? Additionally, getting the bushings more in line with OEM spec might provide a performance benefit, albeit minimal maybe. Either way, I figure I’d give it a shot.
Nice work. Your steering wheel wasn’t wobbly before like at 50mph
Thank you for this video! Definitely a great help. When you reconnected the sway bar at the hard link, what did you torque it to?
I just used factory torque specs for the entire thing I believe.
Great video thanks, I'm looking to do a mild 2in front and 1.5in rear lift. Looks like the easiest thing to do is drop the entire sway bar when installing the drkdss spacers. For the rear, did you install the treaty oak spacers? (Both sides) I've seen in some vids that the rear sway bar may contact the panhard bar so some say its recommended based on how much lift you have.
Make sure you have a couple jacks and stuff to help get the sway bar aligned again! Can be a pain. I don’t have any rear KDSS spacers or anything, but don’t have any contact with the panhard. At some point I’ll probably do a panhard correction kit of some sort though.
What’s the best way to lift the front end at least an inch or so to be level or more level with the rear. 22 trd orp with kdss and wildpeak at3’s on rays team Daytona m8’s. I do go off roading and I do drive a lot on road. I’d like to not spend a ton just yet on suspension. I’ll do a whole system upgrade later down the road. Just need something that won’t throw the suspension quality on road esp. thanks in advance 😊
1” and easy? I think that is easily within the realm of just installing a 1/2” spacer (in IFS that equates to a 1” lift). Spacers get a bad rap, for sometimes good reason, but a 1/2” spaced isn’t where you’ll have problems. Greater than 1/2” and that’s when you will begin running into suspension geometry issues.
Any noticeable difference? A lot of great information here. Thank you.
Visually looking at the bushing, yes. But driving I can’t tell tbh. I think this is much more of a preventative maintenance type thing since it should help the life of the bushing. If you have longer travel suspension, the added length from moving the mount slight up might help with down travel, but probably not noticeable.
Thanks for the video. I'm about to lift 2'' using dobinson kit. I was going to add kdss spacers but looks like you don't even have the spacers in front at 3.5'' lift. I do not have lean on my GX460. So I looks like I can skip the spacers and add this adaptor instead. Do you have spacer in the rear? I see some vehicles kdss component making contact in the rear
Yeah I don’t have the KDSS bracket spacers in front or rear and so far it’s been fine. I can’t see any binding or limitation on the KDSS system. Maybe if I go taller I’d need them. This adapter isn’t 100% necessary, but it definitely seems to align that bushing better so I expect a bit more longevity out of it.
Did you have the awesome kdss lean after lift? If so, did the adapter fix/reduce the lean? Thanks
I did a lot of before/after measurements and never seemed to have any KDSS lean. I’m not sure this adapter would affect it if I had though.
Good video. Whats the torq spec on the rigid side.. passanger. New to kdss think we have same 4runner 18 wht trd offroad
OEM spec for those two front KDSS bracket bolts to the LCA is 55 ft-lb so that’s what I used for all the bolts.
looks fantastic 👌... any issues thus far???
It’s been about 48hrs/20mi haha but so far no problems!
It works as intended and maybe a little better droop on the passenger side. Overall it corrects the angle change which a lift will introduce to the stock kdss setup. Someone will need to do a measurable, repeatable test to check the exact benefits😀.
Yeah I think performance will be hard to measure, but increasing the longevity of the bushings looks like it’ll be guaranteed based on what I’ve seen.
Did you open the KDDS valves to allow full movement of front and rear anti-roll bars? Most people fail to do that.
Yes I did, but honestly I’m unsure if it did much. There wasn’t any change measured and I didn’t notice anything, however I did equalize the valve.
Do you think I'll need this adapter w/ 2' lift ? Planning to install Fox 2.0 for 2' lift in the front, thanks man!
I would say ultimately the effectively of this mod is debatable, however it does for sure help correct the suspension geometry, specifically the bushing. That being said, I’d say a 2” lift will have less bushing deformation than me so I might skip it unless you’re looking to perfect the KDSS geometry. >2” and I’d maybe consider it more.
@@GrizzlyPath thank you for the reply! I kept having 2nd thought abt lifting. Not doing anything crazy, just fox 2.0 performance front for 2' lift, and fox rear w/ eilbach spring for 1' lift in order to fit 275/70/17.
Did you loosen the KDSS shutter valves before doing any of this?
No, I don’t see any need when adding these brackets. However, I did open the valves after my lift to let it settle then retightened, I didn’t see any noticeable change in lean or anything.
Ironman 4x4 suspension? Do you have video on that, review?
Yeah it's IronMan4x4 FCP suspension front/rear with their UCAs. I like it. I haven't done any sort of review... maybe I should!
curious what your lift set up is.... How much lift in the front and how much in the rear?
I can’t quite remember. I think I’m at 3.5 front and about the same in the rear. I running Ironman Foam Cell Pro suspension.
So if I understand this correctly If i go with this I don't have to worry about getting a kdss specific lift kit? I've got a 20 ORP
Honestly AFAIK a KDSS specific kit might just not come with extended sway bar end links since the KDSS sway bar is different. This bracket is entirely optional and just looks like it should help with the sway bar bracket geometry.
Is this used as an alternative for the kdss spacers? Will this correct the lean and other issues fixed with the spacers?
No, I don’t believe it’s a substitute for the KDSS spacers, but it does help fix the sway bar bracket alignment which I’m unsure if it does much but reduce bushing wear. Doubt it will not help with lean, id recommend small (1/4”) strut spacers to help with lean. I equalized the pressure in the KDSS manifold, but I’m unsure if it did anything to affect lean. I’m not sure if I ever had lean personally.
@@GrizzlyPath after some research I see it was a very dumb question for me to ask haha. Thank you for the very polite reply though
Awesome video. Do I see ironman struts? did you install yourself? I am looking to install a stage one kit from ironman.
Yeah they’re Ironman full coil overs, I like them. I did install myself. Honestly I think they’re pretty good bang for the buck!
@@GrizzlyPath cool. did you video the install? I am looking for a good process. most people undoo the upper and the steering etc and pull out the top. I've seen a few non kdss just remove the lower control arm ball mount bolts and just drop it out the bottom. Seems way easier. but with kdss the swaybar is connected to the lower. I was thinking it's still a good way to keep it simple. just remove the sway mounts (like you did on this video) on the lowers and the lower ball joint bolts and drop the struts out. Does that sound reasonable? are there any KDSS system things I should consider before doing so? I've seen a few kdss videos where they open the kdss valves 2 turns each before working on the suspension, but I am not sure why that is done. Thoughts?
I think your game plan sounds good!
I believe I disconnected the sway bar to LCA bracket first, popped the upper ball joint out and then that was enough for me to get the coil over assembly out. Just lift up on the UCA and pry the LCA down. I can’t remember, but I may have had to loosen the LCA/subframe camber bolts so the LCA would pivot down easier, but you’ll need an alignment anyway so if you have to it’s nbd.
Getting the KDSS sway bar back on can be a bit of a bear. I can’t remember what I showed in this video, but IIRC the trick is to use a ratchet strap to help pull the sway bar up and into position. I remember that helping! And try not to cross thread the sway bar to KDSS bracket bolts! You’ll be tired and it might be difficult to get them in if it’s not quite aligned! Ratchet strap helped here.
@@GrizzlyPath Thanks for the reply and the great video. I think I have a good game plan.
@@GrizzlyPath hah, yota expedition just relased a new video and it look like they are doing exactly the same procedure as I was planing. Good to know some experts are doing it that way
th-cam.com/video/EriqrVVtmqA/w-d-xo.html
I want to do a 3" lift on my 2024 orp with kdss what lift kit do you recommend?
There are a lot of options out there, I’d say just find one that fits your budget. Bilstein 5100 + lift springs of your choice are the baseline. Beyond that there’s adjustable like Ironman FCP, Toyotec, and beyond!
I just installed trd fox shocks and forgot to loosen the valve and when I put everything back vehicle is leaning to the right I can’t fix please help me
Equalizing the system seems to be hit or miss on whether it fixed the lean problem. A lean of some sort seems to be inherent in Tacoma/4Runners, I guess due to the weight distribution (fuel tank, etc).
However, if you do try the equalization method it is performed AFTER installing a lift, so you could still do it.
What wheel spacers are you using?
They’re Spydertrax, there’s a link to them in the video description if you’d like to take a look.
Do the aftermarket Total Chaos LCAs for KDSS preclude the need for this?
I don’t have experience with those so I can’t say!
@@GrizzlyPath I called Total Chaos. They said their LCAa are designed to match Toyota OEM LCA specs and they actually recommended adding the Dr. KDSS adapter kit to their LCA‘s. 👍 I’m doing it!
Nice, it’s a super simple piece of kit that helps correct geometry. I’m happy with my purchase!
Would I need this product or the bushing clamp for a 2inch lift?
Need, no. But it’d still be useful, but I wouldn’t bother.
the amount of preload that is now on the bar, how does KDSS account for this? roll has to have changed
There really isn’t any preload on the bar after the bracket is installed. If anything it’ll reduce any preload by moving the bracket up closer to its stock position.
So is the whole problem with the KDSS and lifts, is the fact that the bushing wears out sooner? I’m losing sleep trying to figure out how to lift my TRD Off-road 😅
Not really the bushings, but as you approach the flex limits of the KDSS system (3.5+”) your lift will start working against the system so you need to modify it for the new baseline vehicle height and/or flex capabilities.
@@GrizzlyPath and things like this can help! I’m just trying to level her out. Maybe go a .5” higher overall.
Dr KDSS's install video repeatedly says "be very generous with blue lock-tite." Did you consider this? P.S> Good job on video!
I don’t think I watched the instructions come to think haha, I didn’t apply any locktite, but the OEM bolts don’t have any I don’t think so I’m not too too worried. Might throw some on next time I’m in there! Can’t hurt.
That’s the problem I’m having now that’s why I wanna fix it maybe wobble will go away I hope
Hmm, I’m not sure if this will help with that, but it shouldn’t make it worse if you want to try! Best bet with vibration at 50-60mph (which is common) is tire balance. The 4Runner is sensitive to tire balance so if it’s not just right usually that is the cause for vibration.
@@GrizzlyPath
Ok thank u. I was gonna install the kit and see if it helped if not I’ll take to get balanced. I appreciate you reaching out
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