Monster Hunter Rise - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - PC-Style Graphics Options! - DF Tech Review
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- An excellent Nintendo Switch game transitioned beautifully to PC and now - finally - we have versions for the rest of the consoles. In this video, we're taking a look at the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series machines - but it's not really the comparisons that are interesting, more the way that Capcom has allowed users to configure their own visual experience via a PC-style graphics menu. PS5 and Series X even get the ability to render the game at beyond 4K resolution!
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The RE Engine is really Capcom's greatest achievement in the last and current generation.
It is, but this game is not as heavy as Resident Evil 8.
It's been the best engine in terms of optimization since Fox Engine in my opinion.
It's an amazing Engine. Little Glisteny but that's cuz everything looks "Wet" if that makes sense.
@Farmertate I know what you mean. I think it'll continue to improve though as Cap gets more and more of a hold on it and how to use it. Look at REmake 4 compared to REmake 2&3. Has me very excited to play it.
@@w1nch3ster1 THANK YOU FRIEND. I thought I was crazy thinking everyone is soaked in Hakan oil somewhat in their games ATM.
Yes! I was hoping you guys would cover the Rise console Ports! Before i watch the video, my testing on the Series X gave me the impression that capcom gave us a completely unlocked framerate, with the presets simply adjusting the settings accordingly. I used the performance preset, increased image quality to 100%, texture filtering on high, shadows medium, enabled high resolution textures, and am averaging 90-120 fps on the lg c1 with freesync vrr providing a smooth refresh.
Update: after watching the video, i will add on to the analysis by saying that ambient occlusion heavily impacts the framerate. Im sure if you use graphics mode preset and simply disable ambient occlusion, disable dynamic shadows, and lower shadows to medium you can keep the 4.8K resolution and retain 60 fps easily and then some.
I get a true Stable 120fps with Shadows to LOW and Ambient Occlusion 'OFF' and everything else LOW/OFF. Happy Hunting!
(and yes, I do have Graphics at 100% and High Res Textures to ON and always get 120fps with very rare drops down to, like 110fps, hard to notice)
But why would you want 4.8k
Seems like a waste of processing power if you prioritize graphics
Wow. Capcom really outdid themselves with this port on the newer consoles. I play on PC, but seeing a good list of graphics toggles on consoles to tailor your experience needs to be implemented in more games ASAP. Good vid as always DF
Because, they are getting ready for something new. There is gonna be a ps5 pro and Xbox pro/whatever. So games now need to scale further up but even more importantly, there's going to be a handheld Xbox and Playstation moving forward. I'm almost positive Xbox will do it. PlayStation, less so. Games will have to be far more variable on console. Microsoft, I'm 90% sure(my speculation) then will utilize the next gen amd apu to create a mobile Xbox series s. At that point, the Apu that AMD will have out will be faster than the series s allowing them to emulate the series s with a little bit of overhead. Microsoft isn't stupid. Shareholders demand that they have competition to the steam deck and it works perfectly with Microsoft's business model. PlayStation, has a much harder time doing it, not sure how Sony figures it out, but if it was me personally, I would just take the expense it and paid people to do it before I lose market share to Microsoft but knowing how executives are they're going to be too conservative. Infinite money Microsoft doesn't care. Gaming is extremely valuable. If Netflix is worth as much as it is, Microsoft games as a service is worth 4x that amount (350B to a trillion. You gamers are amazing cows to milk). Handheld is coming.
Sony first party ps5 games(minus returnal) have options similar.. though not as extensive. Good stuff
@Maxwell Benz yea ps5 pro and xbox pro ginally hitting rtx 3000 levels, while pc is native 4k 120fps with rtx 4000
@@Tential1 wrote all this for like 2 people to read it fully 😂
@@xXOriginalSin Now that you're starting to get true PS5 games. You start seeing 32gb recommend on PC to try to cope with ps5 Io system. Then the ps5 can fully load and scrub it's gpu on the fly. PCs can't do that yet. So you'll need 30 series card + beefy cpu to fully get similar experience.. $$$$$
I saw those graphics options yesterday and got really excited hoping you guys would have something for it!
I would like to see graphics options like this become more common on console games, I think vrr has given devs more confidence in letting the player customise thier experance
there 's a thing called pc if custom experience is what you're looking for
@@MonkeyDBenny I think you misread OP’s comment. I’m pretty sure he’s aware pc’s exist
@@jesseshaver2262 that's just how these smug pc guys talk. Not everyone can afford a nice gaming rig
@@MonkeyDBenny Thanks captain obvious smh
@@MonkeyDBenny We don't do that here.
The load times on current-gen are hella fast, goddamn. Imagine MH6 being made with these load speeds in mind. And thank god the PS5 version has gyro aiming. That single-handedly made bows viable for me.
I still have nightmares about the load times for MH World on my base PS4. Spent over 1000 hours on that, 200 were probably loading screens
@@zyrixis9650 Don’t remind me, that was a nightmare. Even playing the old version of MHW on current-gen was a big upgrade in terms of load times.
@@zyrixis9650I moved MHW to my external SSD on PS4 (Still remains there currently with PS5) and it cut load times in half. I’m glad current gen is using SSDs this time, less load times but less time to read the tips and whatnot 😅
tbf even on Switch it's pretty fast compared to World on base PS4
It loads fast no matter what you run it on.
I feel like the highly customisable graphics settings menu should be a option on most games
Agreed but probably not gonna happen since Consoles are more casual friendly than PCs and a lot of optimization would be needed meaning more time and money is wasted on developing the game which I'm sure most of the higher ups wouldn't want
Couldn't agree more.
I'd put shadow in all games to medium or low.
It would be nice but there'd need to be some sort of FPS readout toggle as well or idiots will just crank it and whine when it doesn't run as well as it should.
It can't really happen. As the only reason this exist in rise is because this is a switch game. So they are using all the extra horsepower to give users options
@@Green_Stache_Productions Is that not basically what they just said but reworded?
One of my favorite games of all time. 800+ hours on Switch OLED, and I still play Sunbreak to this day in the office in tabletop mode. Don't skip this game!
How is it compared to World? Gameplay etc.? I have 1300 hours in World and Rise is made by the B-Team at Capcom, so I don't know if it's gonna feel like playing a downgraded version of World.
How TF do you play a game for that many hours. Fallout 3 and a few other games I played for just over 100hrs and they were classic open world rpgs that I ran all over the map.
@@theoldpcgamer77 They grind. It's got an MMO-like end game loop - you kill things, you craft better gear and that allows you to overcome even stronger versions of things to kill.
@@theoldpcgamer77 sounds like he plays at work
@@theoldpcgamer77 I got 3000 hours in Monster Hunter World and 1000 in Rise at this point. Monster Hunter are special in that regard, it's just so much fun that u keep playing
I wanna see how the last gen machines hold up now and what resolutions and fps they target
My brother plays on PS4 pro, it’s either 1080p60 or 4K30 and I imagine it runs similarly on the Xbox consoles
I have both next gen Xbox consoles their good I plays mhw would good not surprised! That it plays mhr at 60fps on them as well
@@biggie2chainz No way any last gen machine even ps4pro can run the game at 4k 30 fps.
@@Plusimurfriend the one x can render at 4k
@@Plusimurfriend Nope. It’s relatively stable but there are frame drops depending on how intense the scene is
I was quite surprised how good this game looked booting it up on gamepass.
Unlocked framerate with great performance? Decent HDR? High resolution? I call that a good port.
Keep in mind that with a VRR display, you will be getting 100+ FPS with the default graphics mode. Default is definitely the way to go.
The default HDR settings are kinda meh. I run Brightness at 20 and Contrast at 60 (saturation left at 0) on my CX and it looks significantly better than default. If the brights are too much, going 25/55 is a good setting, too.
Ya. Some proper HDR settings would be nice. I think the game is asking for way too much brightness.
It does generally give a good picture, though.
I just left the settings on standard and used HGIG or Dolby Vision on my C2. Looks alright. Detail is blown out in the few highlights, of course. But overall, it presents well.
Games really do need to have proper settings for HDR though. It's frustrating when a game has little to no settings, making it impossible to get HDR right.
Great video but shame you didn't also cover the advanced graphics option, a lot of tweaking can be done from in this menu (except dynamic shadows which can only be turned on or off at the title screen) It would of been interesting to see what results we get when we individually tweak these options
Capcom are killing it with current gen consoles. Recently played re2 and 3 remakes after the patches and they are such great games
Capcom is really probably the single AAA publisher that I completely trust. Everything they do is gold.
@@stanislavkimov2779 Except Exoprimal which could be bad, all the games they have produced in the last six or five years including Exoprimal are original takes on different genres, and do not try to make a cashgrab out of new trends like Battle Royale genre, and meet good standards that some people usually ignore, for example the games rarely have bugs on release and if they do they are patched out asap, also if a game port is bad they will attempt to fix it like MHW was a unoptimized disaster at launch and now it has plenty of options that were unavailable at the original release. As long as the games Capcom releases meets these standards and have lots of content/things to do (nowadays almost everyone releases games on a skeleton or shell state without many features), it will be a great future for this company.
Well. The RE2 remake was certainly very good, but they really screwed up the RE3 remake.
@@aerus3446 They're literally milking RE till it's dry and practically gave up on older franchises lol
I'm really glad Capcom opened up with putting this game on multiple console. Bought this game on switch and really wanted to see how this game would perform on a more powerful console.
same! i sunk a little over 800 hours collectively across rise and sunbreak. i loved it. bought the ps5 version last night and played til almost 5am. it’s amazing
The load times being instant for a game like this is absolutely amazing
its crazy cuz i never found the switch loading times to be bad at all.
Huh? The game is a ps3 level game graphically.
@@stellarhyme3 I'm not talking graphically, mh world had so many long loading screens without an ssd and just mh games in general tend to have a lot of loading screens everytime you post and start a quest. Being able to instantly jump into a hunt after posting a quest feels great
@@dnegel9546they weren’t bad at all but moving to an ssd you just can’t go back
@@stellarhyme3 I had a ps3, and most of the games are so blurry and poor performance, you definitely don't know what you're talking about
Was waiting for this video. Digital foundry undoubtedly is the best technical game reviewer.
Only thing missing is some damn timemarks/summary comment like VGTech does.
Always good to hear Tom with the breakdown 🤙
I hope they make a physical version when the dlc is out.
Didn't know there wasn't physical versions.
Love Tom's reviews! He is the best reviewer in the D.F. team! His style and details described are the best, and he has a great voice in commentary!
Yes, Tom and John Linneman are the best!
@@parazels83 i dó enjoy Richards ‘deep dives’, like he did for the Steam Deck, though.
don't start now
@@marcelslofstra2157 Richard is a patriarch of the channel, he is out of the competition!
literally anyone is better than Alex 🤢
Graphics preset + 100% res runs at 100-120, with VRR it's great.
Yes, im using the same !
I think a vrr capable tv is gonna have to be my next upgrade.
@@phase_1471 not only does it need to be vrr capable, it also has to be compatible with your console because not all vrr tvs work with consoles.
@@phase_1471 LGC1 or LGC2 is great
I love seeing that they actually exposed all the PC settings and allow you to individually adjust them while still offering the presets. This is something I'd love to see in more games on console with the presets plus customizable settings like PC
It's still remarkable how amazing this looks for a Switch game.
Capcom basically put out the best looking "realistic" style visuals on Switch with this game.
Crazy how a game targeting simplistic, anime visuals with almost no environmental details/textures, low draw distance, reduced frame rate animations everywhere, and sparsely populated world like Pokemon still feels like it's running in slow motion... And even though MH Rise is popular, it's not Pokemon-level popular.
Wish Capcom would be tasked to develop the next spin-off/side game like Pokemon Legends. In the meantime, I'm downloading MH Rise from Game Pass on PC right now. Can't wait! 😁
I think a lot of it comes down to the engine, really. Capcom has more talented engineers, and likely 3D artists as well.
All console games should have these graphics settings options.
Thanks Alex, actually at 14:04 you could mention that another solution if you want stable 60fps in Graphics Mode, is to just decrease Image Quality to 100% from 125% and voila. Kudos to everyone who notices the resolution drop on 4k TV. I can't.
that's exactly what i did too
I doubt the difference is really noticeable unless you have a particularly large display. But yeah, setting it to the quality mode and then turning resolution scale to 100% is the way to go unless you really need those extra frames for some reason.
“It’s a bit of a surprise with the Xbox’s on paper teraflop advantage”.
You guys should do a video specifically dispelling the “on paper teraflop” metric myth when it comes to other variables.
You could use the 4 teraflop Xbox Series S and PS4 Pro as the example….you could even call the video “4TF Console Face-off Xbox Series S vs PlayStation 4 Pro: Elden Ring, Cyberpunk,…….”🙄
It’s like one step forward two steps backwards with you guys.
I very much doubt that they will do such a video and i think we both know why.
@@lysandros765 Is the saying : "heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat" true or nah?
I wonder if Graphics mode would give a locked 60fps if you set the image quality to 100% rather than 125%, or even somewhere inbetween if it's available.
It definitely feels smoother, that's how I'm playing on series x
I'm very impressed with capcom and my PS5's performance more PC like ports like this should become the standard of current gen consoles with so many options and every mode framerate can be unlocked to target 120fps only the frame-rate mode needs higher settings on PS5 as their is enough GPU headroom 16:17
But you can turn up plenty of the individual settings, including the resolution!
Most pc ports especially big AAA games are heavily unoptimized and run like crap compared to ps5
Wow, I don't remember when I saw PC style graphics customization options on consoles before...
Warframe comes to mind
A nice upgrade over the Switch, and the advanced graphics options are great to see - shame it's once _again_ a game I won't buy a second copy of, because Capcom can't be bothered to just put in cross-save in new MH titles.
It looks amazing, but not "start over and abandon 200 hours of Switch progress" amazing
same. this game is way to grindy to be starting over.
Makes me wish I had held out for a better version. The Switch just can’t hang.
Skill issue
@@yellowcard8100 How does that equate to skill? It specifically states it's a TIME issue.
That's why it's better to play on a PC. Can play the same game and same saves on any HW.
Switch is only good for exclusives and indies.
Went to do comparisons vs PC but interestingly the "image quality" option on PC has no 125% option, it goes 100% then 150%. Seemed to run around 160fps at 150% image quality at 4k in the snow area at 17:26 where the Ps5 is 65fps and the Xbox is 59fps. That's running a 4080 and 5800x, what's nice to see is that PC now also has DLSS and DLAA, glad to see Capcom embracing a lot of technical aspects on every platform.
It's cool to see this game being ported to PS5 and XSX|XSS and it's cool to see they did a good job with the port.
It's just unfortunate that the game isn't cross platform play and cross progression. If they would have had this, this could have been something I'd be playing all the time with my larger group of friends. But because of that, the friends who wanted to play with and join my friends core MH group that started back on Switch, can't. It really sucks. I really wish they'd make these games with cross platform play being the center of attention in terms of multiplayer.
Well a good thing is I can play with my sister (she's on ps4) and I'm on ps5
Kudos to Capcom for going the extra mile here and providing this level of customization. If it was not already apparent from the Switch version, it now definitely is: They have quite the mastery over their current technology. Fellow companies like Square Enix should take notice :D
Current technology? XD
You mean other developers should make current gen console games look like slightly improved versions of switch titles?
Dude, these console versions have written "SWITCH PORT" all over them.
@@Tarets Yes, current technology. They are using the RE Engine for several of their current gen titels, aren't they? ;)
Also, a simple "SWITCH PORT" could be provided without any of the options that have been implemented into these versions.
Forspoken shows you, how terrible performance can be on more powerful platforms, even though the game itself also runs on weaker hardware ;)
I got it running so good and 60+fps by keeping the image quality at 100% , high res textures on , texture filtering on , ambient occlusion on , shadow quality high
foliage sway on AND all the rest filters , dynamic shadows and DOF and film grain is OFF
It really does highlight how poor the graphics/performance of Pokémon Scarlett/violet in comparison to what capcom achieved on the switch with Monster Hunter Rise.
Comments like this are redundant. There is no comparison needed, Pokémon just looks like horsedung without any standard to put it up against. Almost every 3D Switch game looks and runs better.
@@FelixS. I don't think its redundant. There were plenty of people out there blaming the performance/graphics of the new Pokemon games on the hardware of the Switch. Monster Hunter Rise was a great example that it's not the hardware, it is GameFreak(although the Switch hardware is getting long in the tooth).
@@jayg339 It is clear since day one of the Switch the hardware being competent enough to have vastly superior games released on it than Pokémon and we are debating this topic since Sword and shield now. And every time a competent or only decent game is released people repeat their mantras and assuring „now this is the example why Pokémon is bad“. Be it Xenoblade, be it Monster Hunter, be it Nier Automata, be it Fire Emblem or let it be ports of comparable 3D RPGs or let it be even older games like Dragon Quest XI or Zelda. There are plenty of evidences what the Switch can do. So while you are right of course I keep with my perception and say the statement is redundant at this point :)
@@FelixS. Fair Enough
While the graphics aren’t exactly impressive, the graphics settings and instant loading definitely are. I love the effort Capcom’s been making lately.
It's cool that Capcom still takes some pride in the upkeep of a strong, competitive in-house game engine, as so many other devs are now bouncing to UE5.
true, it's kinda sad to see great engines like the Dragon Engine among others be replaced by Unreal... which is great for devs that want to reduce dev times and reduce crunch but still, wish it werent this way
why do you care about the engine? as we have seen plenty of times in the past, your game only has to look like an engine-X game if you don't bother to differentiate, and that is a dev problem, not an engine problem.
@@xBINARYGODx - but there are indeed engine problems too, when some devs elect to try their own in-house solutions.
Not everyone nails it.
Capcom is one of the larger dev/pubs that has managed to produce a pretty efficient, full-featured in-house engine for many years.
A credit to their technical teams.
Capcom did great in getting the game to look that good on Switch. I mean a casual user might not even notice much of a difference between that version and the current gen consoles.
Very impressive range of options in this game, glad to see it.
What i plan to do is set it to the graphics mode and reduce the res from 4.8k doown to 4k, that should give it a solid 60fps
I did this and it works great. I even added DoF on top and it looks great.
Man, that's so cool. Give the chance to players to adjust settings like that... Best decision
Isn't that just default with more steps?
@Co Default is missing dynamic shadows and 1 other thing last I checked. So at worst its the same number of steps.
My son's has been playing it on my XSX with all settings on high. VRR is always on, so I wasn't aware the frame rate was dropping, and have been happy with the performance.
I'm not going to start a game myself, as I've put more than 300 hours into the Switch version. Although the game looks better on the XSX, I've been perfectly happy playing the game on the Switch, and nothing I've seen changes my mind.
This is an excellent demonstration of cores v clocks. Great video!
Indeed
16:55 Extra teraflops Left the chat 🤣🤣🤣
Again, it depends on how the game is optimized. Don't be a clown, leave this comment on every video on DF that compares series X to PS5... but you can't, right, so shut up.
@@bacardim390 why i need a xbox ?
For what ? Ps5 has best games , best hardware and best performance
The game is free on Gamepass, what other reason you need?
Oh shit that 8% makes all the difference.
@@frankiesab777 does gamepass free?
I'm still IN AWE from the lightning fast loading times and the pc-style graphic options.
I can't imagine myself playing without the "Classic" filter wich makes the game so beautiful.
Runs fine on ps5 love the game
Jesus that's impressive. When I saw there was a native 4k mode alone I thought that was 30fps but it was the 60fps mode 😂 and even the 2700p mode targets 60.
What would you get with 30fps? 6k?
6k between the PS5 and Series X I'd imagine would be closer to a 30 fps target, but potentially still running above it given the tested results in the video. 8k would definitely be the true test of it, for sure. At that point it'd definitely bring the consoles to their knees. I feel like this actually serves as a good metric for nearly all Switch-developed games if they were to be ported to current-gen systems. Really neat to see this coming from Capcom, specifically.
@@clockdownrme I agree with you buddy. This type of thing is super interesting imo
Not said in the video: if you set Prioritize Framerate mode to 100% Image Quality resolution to run at 1620p, that’s a _really_ nice sweet spot for VRR that allows you to crank up every graphics setting to High and still get 90-100 fps at worst on PS5 and XSX. (But do leave Motion Blur set to Default/medium, because High looks bad.)
Thanks for the tip. 20 minutes of video, and he can't even mention the best setting.
@@urbanstreet_4282 np. If you end up more in the 70-80 fps range on average, then I’d recommend disabling Depth of Field for a very significant performance improvement.
I wish all other games were approached like this.
60fps baseline.
Customized sliders for other settings.
We need to move completely beyond 30fps imo.
Clearly playing in PS5 graphics mode, just putting scale to 100% should be the best mode to play
While not my jam, I'm impressed with the pc like settings, would be cool to see more of this on other games too.
Comparing a switch to anything is like having a boxing match against a baby lol
I hope all games are like this in the future (especially SFVI and Tekken 8)
It is not strange to see PS5 outperforming XSX at high "4.8K" resolutions for this title or at higher frame rates. Given the nature of the rendering, it requires high fill rates, but relatively low compute. PS5 has the same number of ROPs in the GPU as the XSX, but they are clocked some 20% higher (if memory serves). PS5s GPU is better suited to high fill operations that are not bottlenecked by compute or bandwidth.
This is what Cerny was talking about when he said "a rising tide lifts all boats" during the PS5 technology breakdown. FWIW, I would have made the same design tradeoff.
In addition to frequency difference RBEs are somewhat different between the machines. Each have 64 color ROPs but PS5 has twice the the number of depth-z/stencil ROPs compared to XSX. In matter of bandwidth in RDNA ROPs are directly requesting from the close GPU L1 cache and PS5 has 22% higher bandwidth on that pool.
@@lysandros765 I was unaware of the depth-stencil ROP differences. That is interesting indeed.
The PS5's GPU design may be an early indicator of a cultural shift in game design methodology: an emphasis on high resolution textures, detailed geometry, fewer and simpler shaders, and compute not directly tied to the rasterization pipeline.
And I've never heard of RBE. What does it stand for? Is this a reference to RDNA RB or "Render BackEnd"?
And yes, to the L1 bandwidth -- a significant benefit, especially for workloads well-suited to on-chip coherence (eg. index buffering, full screen render passes, gpu compute).
😂 and PC just cant compete !! That Sony koolaid must be great.
@@waterprincess6444 what’s your P.C specs.
@@SeanLumly Yes, it appears that 'RB' is the correct use, i was remembering it wrong from the RDNA diagram for some reason. And thanks about the in depth insight about the implications of a higher L1 cache bandwidth, very informative.
This game sits right there next to Shadow of the Colossus, as a game where I would feel terrible killing creatures that seem to be just chilling in their homes.
I was waitnig for this video!
Coming from playing this on switch,i was blown away on how better it was on ps5.
Even more than i expected
Now if only Capcom would offer cross-saves I could finally upgrade from the Switch version. As it stands I won't abandon my 150 hour save file.
What a great breakdown of everything!!!!! Impressive guys!
Do you often find guys impressive?
The game is lit no matter how you choose to play it, but without cross saves, I'd see how folks wouldn't want to put massive hours into another version if they're already playing it on Switch or PC.
Now this is how you do graphics options on console, the only thing missing is an actual resolution toggle, FPS cap and FPS counter options.
But this is great and I hope more developers start doing this, customisation is great.
What a concise and enjoyable comparison. Tomas is always one of the best voices to listen to
Finally a game that let the player full customize the settings 🙌 👏 👌
I've literally never seen a console game have so many graphics options. Wild
We need more approaches like this from the developers.
Never seen a console game with so many options. Great port. RE engine does it again.
Pretty decent consoles this round, considering the $299/$399/$499 price ranges. Rather good value.
PS5 is 620€ new, 1000€+ second hand.
@@UltraCasualPenguin no.
@@UltraCasualPenguin lol no. Just bought PS5 this holiday for 399$.
@@UltraCasualPenguin lol this is a problem in your country so...
@@luizkp PS5 is not made in the US. TH-cam is international. Currencies are not worth the same. Not sure what you were going for with that comment. Also, as of today, the PS5 seems to be 499$ USD minimum. (did not look for deals)
While everyone is going back to World (UI is just too slow and clanky for me) I'm curious to see these Rise (way more streamlined) comparisons since I was on Switch when it first came out. My shiny new Series X will enjoy this Rise & Sunbreak now!
It seems that when Ray Tracing is not involved the PS5 consistently outperforms the Xbox series X console. This is a continuous thing as well. This goes to show that TFlops does not equate to theoretical gaming performance.
There are games featuring RT like Ghostrunner (RT reflections) where PS5 outperforms XSX quite substantially at the same resolution. More recently in Calisto Protocol XSX has lower quality RT (later added) to be able to match PS5 performance/resolution profile. It will all depend on the engines and API/implementations, can go either way.
Fps. Resolution is often higher on Xbox.
@@lysandros765 these Xbox fanboys can't stomach the fact that ps5 is a beast. And as this generation moves forward the gap between the consoles will widen even further.
@@danieldanoid9026 eh, what vids have you been watching 😂 you're seriously misinformed!😂
Marc Cerny told us. Guy’s a genius.
So other than resolution and frame rate it’s not much of an upgrade over the switch version. Makes you really appreciate just how great the switch version is. How the hell does that tiny tablet keep pumping out great looking games is beyond me.
I get why this could've held back the generation and wouldn't have worked with all games, but Capcom did prove here that building for a low-power platform first and scaling up is a great strategy for both the quality and accessibility of their games. wish we saw this more often with ambitious last-gen multi-platform games. perhaps building with steam deck or nintendo's next system in mind and scaling up will become more standard in the coming years?
Thats hard to say, depending on the game devs want to make.
I'm for it. I like a stylised graphical presentation. So being able to have a tight 4k 60 with a nice art style is lovely. I like realism too but when it starts to be sub 1440 or 30fps, I don't enjoy the experience. I've always suffered from certain games making me sick. Only within the last 12 months in my mid 30s have I discovered it's just low frame rates. Not a surprise since I've always also been easily travel sick. While alot of people have complained about this cross gen period, I've loved having lots of content at a 60fps on console. I've been spoiled and I dont want to play 30fps. Especially now I know my problem. For a while during PS4 I thought I needed glasses because I couldn't focus on the image on the screen. Again. 30fps was the cause.
Accessibility - yes. Quality? Be serious dude. It doesn't look good on current gen consoles, not to mention the PC.
@@Tarets In terms of quality I was referring to consistency between platforms. No version of the game looks or feels compromised that’s a great thing, even if more powerful hardware isn’t being taken advantage of. It’s a matter of taste but I think the game looks good across every version, owing to the simplicity and art direction, and that is testament to the RE Engine.
Tom why is your audio / voice over always waay lauder than anyone else from DF? :D I always gotta lower the volume by 50% when you voice over
Exactly what I was waiting for, I played MHR on S, PC and now XSX and I wanted to see the breakdown on settings for the series x. Another great video!
I'm surprised that more developers don't offer more advanced visual options to push the boat out for gamers that want that, it would be a big selling point to upgrade to a mid-gen console or next gen console, especially with backwards compatibility as the developers wouldn't have to do anything as the game would use the extra power, just like how it is on the PC.
It's the same on the Steam Deck, any game you buy on that, you can play at such a setting and when a more powerful Deck 2 is released, it will feel like you're getting a remastered version of a lot of games for free, but come to think of it, on consoles at least, some might want to market that as an optional paid extra, a bit like how Rockstar does it.
I hope this flexibility in being able to choose graphical settings become a default on consoles eventually, even better, with resolution options clearly stated. This feels specially useful for Series S, where some developers make questionable choices.
Great video DF.
Playing MH: Rise on the Switch was very enjoyable indeed and Looked n Played fantastically well plus Playing it on the Go is awesome also.
MH: Rise on the New Systems Looks and Plays brilliantly, i would probably go for 4K/60fps Default on the PS5 and 1440p/60fps Default on the Series S for that Smoother Gameplay Overall especially for that First Playthrough but that 120fps Mode does look Fun tho and the Extra Graphics Mode looks amazing.
Would like too see a Video like this on No More Heroes 3, if you haven't already done one that is guys.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the default mode at unlocked frame rate. I’m getting 90-115fps on Series X. Seems like the obvious way to go
Except 95% of people don’t have a 120Hz TV with VRR
@@kraenk12 okay?? Pretty sure he talked about the graphics mode using 120fps mode, no reason he shouldn’t do the same with the default mode, where it’s actually a great option
Monster Hunter isn’t my jam but it’s really great to see Capcom killing it like this. They were a huge part of my childhood and 2023 will prove to be a legendary year for them.
This is how ports should be done. I also think it’s great that console gamers are being given more control over graphics/performance than ever before.
same, dont care for MH after playing on the Wii years ago, but RE 9 is gonna be amazing on the SX and ps5
If the next MH game takes the best parts of World and Rise its gonna be a banger!
Always lovely to hear Tom. My favourite member of DF after Rich.
For a Stable 120FPS with High Graphics, my Settings are: Texture Quality 100%, High Res Textures ON, Ambient Oclusion 'OFF' and everything else set to LOW/OFF. Happy Hunting!
The great thing about how the game is set up is how it is already good for whatever next-generation hardware for the next console cycle. Well if there is one and if there is backward compatibility comparable or better. My long about point is that if the next system for Playstation and Xbox comes it can probably run all maxed. So 4.8K 120FPS locked with high shadow quality.
So it has a long life outside most Monster Hunter games being long-lived already. Still, play World from time to time and Tri for nostalgic reasons.
And the PS4, Xbox One VCR, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, and PS4 Pro?
I'll be very interested to see how the last gen machines hold up in this game given what we've seen here on the current gen machines and Switch. The RE Engine (along with Capcom's devs) is really an amazing thing to be able to pull off one of the best looking and running Switch titles and then to scale the game up so beautifully to current gen consoles. However, given the minor struggles seen by the Xbox Series consoles in comparison to the PS5 I wonder if this is a situation where it is simply easier to fully utilize all of the PS5s CUs running at their higher clock speeds as opposed to having more CUs but clocked lower? We seemingly saw a lot of this towards the beginning of the generation and then things kind of evened out but with this game seemingly being incredibly well-optimized and offering PC-like scaling on consoles that allow you to easily push the machines past simply locking smoothly at a framerate it seems like this may be the case. I'll be interested if any current-gen only RE Engine titles offer scaling features like these so that this hypothesis can be better tested when the least common denominator is the Series S and NOT the Nintendo Switch. Actually, I think Street Fighter 6 is going to be on the PS4 but NOT on the Xbox One so maybe that'll be an interesting case to examine.
These graphics settings on consoles should be a mainstay for every game, it allows for so much more in terms of customizing graphics to exactly what you want, even if you're on a console
People already complain about games not looking top tier in visuals. I don't think most people want switch level graphics which are essentially from PS3 and 360 generation
@@MrInuhanyou123 But the options to turn off specific graphical features to get a better frame rate should be in most titles. They are called advanced settings for a reason, if people want their games to look the best then they should just turn the graphics up and the people who want to prioritize framerates should have the options to turn everything they want off or down.
@@MrInuhanyou123 I’m not sure you read the comment or watched the video. Turning shadows on and off, changing lighting, controlling texture quality, and etc aren’t dependent on the game’s initial graphics. They’re options PC players have had for the longest and its just a matter of letting people choose what settings suit their performance desires.
@@Pr1mEHub Careful what you wish for, offering graphics options will be another incentive for even lazier optimization practices, this game is just an example of this with neither Xbox console having locked framerates in all their available modes. "Your console is not hitting 60fps? not our problem, just lower your settings".
@@HoveringAboveMyself While this may be true, that is up to the developer when creating the game, whether they want to optimize or not. I just think that it would be a nice feature to have, especially with the line between a console a PC becoming very thin nowadays.
I hope after doing the prior-gen hardware comparisons. DF does the recent ports of P3P and P4 Golden. As I've seen some technical "issues" with the AI upscaling used by Atlus for both ports, the sound compression in P3P, etc. So would like any at DF who perhaps like Persona to do a full breakdown of the pros, cons, and decisions used to port these two games for other systems.
Apparently PS5 is more capable at providing actual results regardless of hardware "numbers"...
This is one of those videos where I'd love to see where the Steam Deck would slot in. Because it's a game that just fits to be played on the go, and how well the switch-version is performing. What would a Steam Deck get you?
Is there even cross play between any versions?
On the go? You're kidding, right? Of all the games, MH series is one of the most unsuitable to play on the go.
@@Tarets lots of tedious grinding ? Perfect for the smaller breaks in between .
Got it on the PS5 and its incredible
Got it on Gamepass.
19:25 lol that heavy motion blur reminded me of FF Type 0. I really will never understand John (and Alex's) love for the effect (and yes, I watched their "please love motion blur" video). I always turn it off in any game that gives you the option, especially if there is a performance penalty to using it (as Tom states in this video for MH Rise in particular)...
I am a bit confused why the small FPS difference is talked up as so significant here, while it's heavily downplayed in a game like Death Loop.
It's obviously not a lack of GPU headroom (as stated here) & more a developer priority thing, but it's just strange to hear this video talk it up so much when contrasted with previous videos that brush it aside (especially since it's reserved for quality/120fps modes & not the default 4k/60 mode).
Cope and cry my guy, cope and cry
@@riceeater79 Is that it? What does that even mean?
What is up with the RE Engine? This has been consistent enough that I figured Capcom would have solved whatever is causing these framerate issues on Xbox
They're not frame rate issues... The RE engine just responds better to having higher clocks than more cores. If you turn down the settings you'll have no frame rate issues. It's just about the differences in the Xbox and PS5 architecture, there are no issues...
Yeah, it's strange and the SX shouldn't be having these problems at all my guess it that it's still the last-gen game not taking full advantage of the newer hardware or the devs focusing more on PS since games often sell better on that system.
If I didn't have a 4090 I'd have bought this on ps5. Not to mention I'm using a Ray traced reshade , I don't think I could go back to the normal look of rise...... Honestly though I'm having a hard time getting into this game. I had so much with world prior to this that I'm not getting the same feeling with this game. I'm not gonna lie though it seems Capcom is more familiar with the ps5 cause the series x should be performing much better than it.
Nobody cares stop flexing a 4090 like anyone gives a shit.
You probably play everything on PC since you have a freakin 4090. It’s the most powerful gaming anything on the market right now.
No the series x falls short on most games. Check out how many times it can't keep up with the PS5 on frames. I think it has to do with PS5 using Kraken.
i have both (4090 and Ps5), I don't need anything else (XCrap)
I think in the future, you guys should do tests for what is typically the most strenuous portions of games. You should have some backup save file to load into for these tests because early game fights might not tell the full story.
You can’t have backup files on console , they aren’t going to play the game that many time just for a video.
@@sly2409 You can have "backup" files. Just take upload your saves to PS Plus cloud or Xbox live. I know they are already paying for both services which is why they can play multiplayer. If they don't want to do that, they're allowed to copy their saves to a USB or external drive, something they already mention they have in multiple videos.
They already play these games a lot given it's their job, and we see that they're playing games across numerous platforms.
It behooves them to be more accurate in their analysis because they would get more precise results fighting something like Valstrax than the first monster in the game.
This has the most PC-like settings of any console game I've ever seen. Hope this sets a new trend on consoles.
Yeah man, giving at least basic graphical setting like those would be the best devs could do.
Xbox series X here. Use graphics mode, maximise filters to your taster and drop resolution to 100%. No need for rendering more than native 4k.
We need more of these options on other console games. Nice vid.
You should do something about the top end of your microphone when you edit the video. It sounds pretty grating!
Seems like ps5 is starting to pull away in terms of power in comparison to xbox series x
Really? How did you get that out of this content piece? Are you really pining that assumption on a port of a Switch title by Capcom? Come on.... 😉
So I can actually tell a difference when switching resolution between 100% and 125%. I didn’t think I’d be able to, but I can. Makes me wonder if eventually pushing resolutions past 4K may actually be worthwhile
I don't think it will be worthwhile until AI upscaling gets closer to matching native resolution and we can render internally at lower resolutions and then use AI to upscale to save on performance, because sacrificing performance for raw pixel counts above 4K is like a cliff of diminishing returns.
Amazing. Pc graphics settings on consoles. This should be standard. The RE engine looks really optimised for all consoles. Anyway, looks like Ps5 takes the lead here
What are you talking about so many fanboys told me they like to play games not settings like pc guys and having more options is a bad thing.
@@rahulpandey9472 well, as you can see, I'm not a fan boy but I do think that like PC I should be allowed to twick the settings. Maybe not as much as PC but still, I think it is nice that I can select the shadows quality, the grass quality and etc
No it shouldn't be the standard. Having graphics or performance mode should be the standard.
I love hearing Tom's voice in the review. He speaks very clearly so you can understand him. He explains the graphics mode as easy to understand as possible. I want to try Monster Hunter Rise one day. I love the upgrades the PS5 and Series X bring. 60 fps is far better than 30fps plus it has more settings.
btw almost 3 years later now, and PS5 still beats series X in almost every single game :D 10,3 tflops VS 12 tflops, yet the lesser keeps winning
Hope the information for the last generation systems comes out still. Curious also about the PS4 version played on PS5 and what differences, advantages, and disadvantages it has. Also just curious how it plays on OG Xbox One and PS4.
Gyro aiming on PS5 is so cool
works better on Wii.
@nick13b
You should expect it to be more precise than the Wii..
The Wii released over a Decade ago