DIY Off Grid Propane Tank Refill
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
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DIY Propane Refill Kit (COUPON INCLUDED): store.nashfuel...
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I like being able to refill my propane tanks either at my off-grid cabin to run my propane generators, bbq grill, or for the RV. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Your o ring is brittle because you are freezing it. After closing the valve on the small tank, close the valve at the big tank while the hose is still connected to the small tank. Bleed the excess through the hose bleeder valve, not out the end of the hose.
This seems like the no-brainer (or obvious/ more thoughtful) solution. Though I don't know how much of a difference it would make to preserve the longevity of the O-Ring (any thoughts on that)?
@@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO it's not something I have a lot of experience with. I'm dealing more with high temp seal issues. I did find this on a rubber manufacturer's website:
"Low temperature causes elastomeric materials to contract and become less flexible, even brittle after prolonged exposure. As the compression set worsens in low temperatures, it will not return to its original size, which will result in seal leakage and ultimate O-ring failure.
O-rings materials manufactured for extremely cold applications include low-temperature nitrile, HNBR, low-temperature silicone, FEP/PFA, FFKM, EPR, and Astra"
Might be best to find a seal that will handle the low temperature and not have to worry about it.
The flies love the smell of the ethyl mercaptan used to odorize the propane. I had a truck that ran on propane and refilled many 20# (5 gallon) from it. I also used the the 20# tanks to refill the little camping throw away tanks. As you noticed, there is a lot of free gas coming from the vent and it is quite flammable. Your major concern is a spark from static electricity near the leak on a cold dry day when you reach out to touch the tanks. Another lesser known problem is getting sprayed with liquid propane; if it hits your eyes you are going to have a problem, if it hits your clothing you will get a bad frost burn. Bare skin doesn't frostbite as quickly as flesh covered by clothing wet with propane, due to the 'Leidenfrost effect'. Try to set up your filled tank far enough away from the nurse tank so you can get back to the shut off valve if something goes wrong. Nothing we ever do is risk free but we need to arrange things so you have options if things go wrong.
Nice tutorial. I've been doing this for over a decade on my 1000ga tank. The big tanks will fill a 20# in about 7 minutes. You're bleed could be a bit less, I rarely use more than 3/4 turn, that might save you a few bucks in the long run!😉 It's a great thing to save at least 50% of store fills, and not have to transport!
I would advise you to get a cover cap for the nozzle, for when it isn’t being used. Where I live, small wasp, dirt dobbers, and sweat bees will stop up the hole in the end.
The mistake he .ade was he should have shut off the flow from the large tank first when he was finished. He wasted a lot of fuel as you saw. It's OK to have a small amount of propane remain inside the hose but as long as the source propane valve is shut off, only a few pounds of propane under much less pressure remains inside the hose.
Very timely, I was just talking about getting a large 500 or 1000 gallon propane tank for our new house. We've got natural gas there, but wanted to have propane for our generator as a secondary power source. Knowing I can fill my smaller tanks with it is a plus.
Very nice, good thinking.
How you get refill those 1000 gal tanks?
@@davidcandao1 Propane company comes around and fills them, just like they do for farmers.
My Daddy taught me how to transfer Propane and we were never precise BUT and its a BIG BUT, while you can getaway with overfilling the smaller tanks in the winter for immediate use. It is a terrible Idea to store an over filled tank as it could rupture in hot weather. You Really Really need to weigh the tank and Insure you only add the 20 30 or 100lbs it is made to hold.
Those are for the very old tanks. Like the ones your dad grew up with. ALL of the new ones are legally required to have pressure relief valves built in. It is literally impossible for them to explode in hot weather from expansion.
NICE TO SEE that your 500 gal propane tank is the backstop behind
you AR500 Silhouette target
😂🤣😂
Yeah, I noticed that too! 😒
Thanks for the video. Great presentation. The reason tanks fill faster at the fill station is they have a pump running to jack up the fill pressure. When filling from your 500 gallon tank at home you only have the pressure in your 500# tank. The pressure in your 500# tank varies with outside air temp and sunlight.
Been doing the same for decades but you have a restriction somewhere. Should transfer 2 to 3 lbs per minute in anything but single digit temperatures. Would start looking at your POL fitting does it have a full opening? A lot of those plastic handwheel consumer fittings have a tiny whole in them.
Great bulk tank fuel transfer tutorial. 😎 This is also the first time I've ever seen any propane transfer kit for sale to transfer from a bulk tank! 😊 Our bulk tank is smaller 250 Gallons (about 200 Gal. @ 80% full), with 6 spare 20lb tanks. I plumbed our bulk tank to run my dual-fuel generators directly from the "Low-Pressure (Regulated-side)" of my bulk tank, or the smaller 20lb tanks as needed (for more portability). Derating two 2,500-watt dual-fuel generators based on propane fuel and our altitude, I can parallel both to produce approx. 3,700 watts continuously for 2-3 months, or using one generator @ 1,850 watts for approx. 4-6 months, better yet, recharge a Delta Pro in less than 2 hours (if my solar system doesn't keep up). 😉
Can hardly call that bulk man, we sell 3.5 million liters of propane a year and its a small town
@@Falcon-eh8tq ~ FYI ~ I am a "consumer" and not a "distributor". I will never need 3.5 million liters in my lifetime. Our 250-gallon propane tank (from full to empty) will last two of us for almost a year. 🤠 I'm also about 15 miles from the nearest town and 3-4 miles from the nearest paved road (we don't even wave at "pavement people") 🤣 You're also about a year late to this party.
Set yourself a deep freezer by your big tank. Plug it in and let it get nice and cold -10 Fahrenheit works. Now connect your assembly up on a hot sunny day and watch how quick it fills. Black plastic on top of the tank can also help build pressure. I have 250 psi tank and 10psi regulator gages installed. That’s the way I do mine all at one time.
I love the target being so close to the propane tank, really makes you work on breath/trigger squeeze and sight picture...
I so rarely comment but the hostage target in front of the tank made me think I have found my people.
It's on a portable stand...he's just storing it next to the tank with the other stuff around the tank.
Nice video. I thought I saw a slight leak at the front of the shut-off ball valve. You might want to take a send look at that. I have been wrong before. A few drops of JB weld on the handle that you turn to attach the RV tank may hold the handle in place, just a suggestion. Have a nice day.
Definitely leaking from the front of the ball valve. Nice catch.
Definetly a great additive. I just got a 120lb tank but need to fill it. Hoping my delivery guy will do that along with my larger home tanks otherwise I'll be trucking it back and forth. It's for back up purposes so this kit would be perfect.
It's always like this, the flies fly right over where there is a smell of gas or a leak, they love the smell of the gas odorizer, did you notice the number of flies flying around?
Your setup is perfect for the new Ecoflow dual fuel smart generator!
no it is a liquid withdrawal system only specially equipped liquid cooled gensets can use that
I believe we have the same transfer kit (5133 ?). Unlike others I have seen videos of, to connect this valve to the 500 gallon LP tank, it requires me to turn the entire valve assembly (and hose when connected) at the same time and as I am turning it, the last turn and a half as I am depressing the relief valve, I have LP rapidly escaping out of the LP tank. It does not feel safe to me. Do you encounter the same thing? Other transfer kits for different tank connections, have seen a swivel nut to attach to the tank and the LP doesn't flow until the valve is opened. I would much rather have the later kit. I would love to see how you connect to the Propane tank!! Thanks for any comments!
I really like the idea of using a scale when filling....thanks!
Good to install a sleeve like those that protect hydraulic hoses. Protects from sun and mechanical damage.
At scout camp we had a wet leg on one of the big tanks and a wet leg with electric pump with meter on the other big tank.
Very good video, did u buy ur big tank with the fill pipe in it? If not was their any propane in the tank and how did u get the fill pipe when it’s under pressure? I like the idea of filling my own, but my large tank has always got propane in it?
i have one just like this, a 1980 Buehler. keep an eye on offerup for people selling their old tank.
Ben do you lock your hose up? If you don't I'll come fill my tanks up 😁
Where would one find a "refill kit" like you are using?
None of your links work.....So you didn't mention: I guess the adapter installed on your tank would have to have been installed previous to filling the large tank. Kind of obvious question i guess but trying to figure out how i can pull it off the main valve where they fill to from my propane co.
Can't be done. It has to have a Wet Leg that goes all the way to the bottom to get the liquid propane.
Did you mention that the price of gas is about half doing it your way?
I am thinking that wearing a pair of gloves might B a good idea
You might want to do a review of the EcoFlow Smart Generator (Dual Fuel). Seems this would be a good combination with your LPG tank and the EcoFlow system you have in your house.
100%. I am planning on doing that :)
No need to open bleeder until close to full
Why story a target near your tank? If you are near a road someone may try to shoot it. The thread inside the valve is a POL, left hand. The threads on the outside are QC1, right hand. You could get a POL cap to cover your o ring. if you had a presser release on the valve on you 500 gal tank valve you would not necessarily have to purge the line ever time. Propane boils at -44 degrees zero fahrenheit. I have filed 1000's of thanks. Be safe, Have fun, Enjoy you family and friends!
This is the goofiest way to do this. I have a transfer hose on my tank and i just go over to the tank hook up my hose and turn it on and open the bleeder and when it starts putting liquid out its done. No need to use a weight scale luke you got. All thats unnecessary
Thanks for the video.
NOW THAT WAS WELL DONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I don't advise doing such a potentially dangerous task without the proper training and certification.
Ohh please tell me that the silhouette target behind you is a permanent location for shooting practice Because that's what you need to shoot a youtube video about, In my opinion you should change up that ball valve for a gas valve like you would use for a shut off on your home appliances like your gas stove or your gas water heater
FREEZE the tank to be filled prior to filling, it fills much faster.
Store your hose indoors 👍
How many times can you fill up a little tank off of your big tank before you lose too much pressure and it doesn’t fill up the little tank anymore?
Got a shooting target near your propane tank. Gotcha !!!
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Bottles in the UK have a TARE weight,
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so all you need is a suitable set of scales,
and you can fill the CORRECT weight
for the specific bottle.
OVERFILLING
is a truly terrible thing to do.
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Bottles returned to the company for refill,
get tested for safety.
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Will this work with upright 120 gallon tanks too?
No gloves, no safety glasses, flip flops, this video is a testament to why these kits will be outlawed at some point. His homeowners insurance company sees this he will instantly be canceled.
Ben I hope you didn't fill the tank above 80% to allow for expansion when the tank warms up.
He stopped at 79%
You know the little tanks have an overflow protection valve on the dip tube float right???
A remember this being about filling a 1pound bottle.
@@derek3594 suppose to have......
@@mailliw75 it has a triangle knob which indicates it has the OPD..
Cool video. I'm about to get this setup. From what you said, did the brass fittings all come separated? And then you put them together with the yellow tape?
Not all of it was separated, most of it was connected together already.
I am trying to find out the thread SIZES on the big tanks the delivery trucks use to fill our tanks...because I am trying to find an adaptor so the guy can fill my bbq tanks when he comes out but he needs an adaptor because the little 20llb theads are of course smaller....but EVEY search ALL I get is stuff with 1lb adaptors which I do not want damn it lol
Look up a ME516 coupler from HD Supply
Great video, I have a question? I have a large propane tank for the winter months for gas fireplace in the house and a quick connect outlet outside going to my bbq. Could I disconnect my bbq and hook up my rv propane tank and by a hose like you have with a quick connect on one end and ball valve on other with screw on to tank and fill , would it work? Thanks Mike
Looks like a good set up.
Which would explode first the silhouette target or the propane tank!!? Just kidding I'm sure that target is moved for live fire ;)
Haha :)
Thinking the same thing.🤣
I'm sure it would be fine (not).
Where are you able to purchase the valves/ hose / bleeder / connector system
It will fill faster if you can keep the portable tank shaded, or better yet cooled with ice. For your large tank, did you need to have the wet leg (dip tube) specially installed?
Yes that's true, I was just going with it in an off-grid setup where I couldn't cool the tank. The wet leg pipe came installed on my tank.
The wet leg is also called a dewatering port. It is required as the propane company can’t legally transport a bulk tank with more than 5% remaining fuel. This allows them to drain the remaining liquid propane.
I am not sure about « DIY « since a propane accident can flatten a concrete building and shatter windows in an entire neighborhood
Only if the Gas is enclosed and has a high saturation and a sufficient flash point. I was a Blaster at a mine for many years. Performing the task out doors is fine if one smells the pungent odor stop.
I wanted to do it to save money by refilling for the price of a tank refill and of course I can get a better price in the summer. But with bleeding it the whole time, I’m wondering if I’m really saving money or spending the same amount as the refill places charge.
You will save money. You are bleading off the excess gasses in the tank and filling it with liquid propane.
@@kevinburt8301 they aren’t excess gases though. The gas is part of the fuel you pay for. It’s the gas that feeds your appliances and you have no way to measure how much you waste. I’ve done this 5 or 6 times now because I’ve been using gas from my 500 gallon tank at work to refill 100# cylinders. I’ve tried warming the big tank with hot water once they equalize. I’ve thought about putting the 100# tank in a big trash can of ice water, but then I couldn’t use the bathroom scale. I’ve thought about the blanket heaters but those are like $1,000. Either way I am wasting something whether it is electricity or propane. By bleeding the smaller tank, it cools the smaller tank through vaporization and lowers the temperature. That’s the only thing that seems to work and it takes a couple hours. I wish there was an electric pump. I’m sure a recovery machine for hvac refrigerant would work but I’m too scared to mix propane with electricity. About my bathroom scale, it’s just a mechanical scale with a dial but my 100# tank is bigger than it is so you can’t see the scale. I built a little platform with 2x4s to put between the scale and the tank so I can Reas the dial. Having a scale is a huge help. I have a refrigerant scale with a remote display that’s perfect for smaller tanks but it’s only rated at 140 pounds.
Just so everyone knows, it isn't always this clean and easy... The internal valve on the liquid line of my tank leaks, so the second I remove the cap, it's spitting boiling cold propane out... When that is the case, the rubber O-ring on the extractor valve gets so hard almost immediately and cannot be forced down in the bore far enough to get the threads started. I ended up pulling the O-ring, and then I found that the extractor opens the valve before the nut actually catches, so you have to jam it on, then give the nut a spin while propane sprays out... Once the nut catches, you can tighten it down until the propane stops boiling out. Then it's easy... And repeat every time I want to fill tanks... FYI, there is a little white washer under the cap has to be in just the right spot to re-seal, all the while boiling cold propane is spitting out, making it that much more difficult. What a disaster for me, but at least I know I can do it now... :(
Sounds dangerous and a repair is horribly needed.
My experience is a touch different than yours. Mine doesn't start boiling out until the valve is almost all of the way turned in. The last turn or two is when mine boils out, and yes I do not like that. I wrapped my pipe wrench with tape as to be sure I don't create a spark. I love the savings, but I don't like the spewing gas that temporarily occurs when screwing it on and off. It's funny no one shows this connection on their videos. :-)
Noob here, what is the purpose for suspending the tank from the ladder over the ground? 😊
Why do you need a tee and a bleeder for that little bit? Why not crack the fitting on the tank and bleed it there? I’m wondering if there is a pump where you can transfer it without bleeding it the whole time.
The amount of pressure in that space prevents you from loosening the fittings, or makes it very at the very least. It’s not worth the hassle not having a bleeder. As for a pump, there is, but it’s going to be pricey. That’s how they fill them at, well wherever they fill them. Gas stations, lpg suppliers etc. The little fitting he removed and waited for “a mist” isn’t always used I’ve noticed. They’ll fill by actual weight which is stamped on the collar of the tank. What’s normally done is when you’re close in weight crack the screw and stop. So you’re not venting the entire time. All tanks have weight measurements stamped on them, larger above 1lb at least.
@@raymondpierce8162I’ve actually done this several times now. I use a bathroom scale for weight, but I had to build a little stand in order to see the dial because the tank is larger than the scale. Once the tanks reach an equal pressure, as long as they are the same temperature, then no more transfer will take place without a liquid pump. At that point you either have to warm the larger tank or cool the smaller tank. I’ve tried some ideas but the best way I’ve found is to slowly bleed the vapor from the dip tube of the smaller tank. This cools the liquid in it through vaporization and allows more liquid to flow into it. The scale will show that liquid is transferring and the bleeder shows when liquid is up to the level of the dip tube by evaporating from the vent. Once I close my valves down, I’m able to disconnect my hose without a tee and an unnecessary valve and vent. When I disconnect my grill or my griddle I don’t need any kind of vent before disconnecting.
Super confusing, I have to buy every little individual apart. When I don't even understand any of this? Is there nowhere to just buy an adapter? That's already put together so I can pull from my 250 gallon Tank to my 20 gallon tank. Name of Exact item item I need where to buy , If on amazon please tell me a link just say go but this. I am an older woman need step by step close up. Yours are several pieces ?????
I have no idea what they are where to get them you said
Nash ???
wait, so these propane tanks arent presurized? theres just liquid in them with no pressure? i assume the pressure in them is just from the tank warming up and some of the liquid turning to gas? interesting..
what im trying to do is the opposite of what you did here. With winter coming up in a month or 2 and with me living fully off grid in a camper on a 5 acre wooded property im gonna be going through propane constantly. last winter was my first winter in the camper and it was a nightmare.. ALWAYS cold.. ALWAYS stopping air leaks.. ALWAYS dingy stale air in the camper. having 2 dogs doesnt help with the dirt and smell. but mainly im sick of going to lowes 5x a month to buy 2 tanks at a time. I wanna get a couple 100lb propane tanks but you cant take those to a lowes. you can ONLY get 20lb tanks all over the place. so im starting the research process of seeing if its possible to transfer the contents of 20lb tanks into the 100lb tank and ill just go once a month and buy several 20lb tanks and refill the 100lb tanks myself so i dont have to have ANOTHER expense of paying someone to do it and only getting to have heat when they have time to come out and having to miss work to guide a propane truck through a non paved path from the street to the camp spot.. last winter after realizing h ow quickly you go through propane in a camper i ran a space heater 24/7 and it helped a lot with the cost of propane but now im off grid and 100% of my electricity is solar. i have 400AH 48v bank on a 5kw inverter and 100A mppt. 4x 50v 13A panels. if i have to run a space heater ill have about 3 hours a day of heat then be screwed and unable to have power. and if the battery dies at dusk or if its a cloudy day ill be really screwed. grand design would be to build a cabin and have a fireplace but the 26 foot, no slideout camper is too small to have a fireplace. not with 2 dogs always wrestling and bumping into everything. so propane is my only option and thats gets very expensive very fast without a space heater. pre space heater i was going through 40lbs of propane a week easily. sometimes more. thats 400$ a month roughly just to have heat. cant do that again this winter.
any insight from OP or anybody in the comments would be helpful.
Cheap O rings. For $250 they should be using quality parts!!
seems like a lot of wasted propane.
What is the name of the adapter I looked for them on EBay I can’t find them Thanks
I can't come up with any situation where flip flops are a good idea.
When you don’t want to get caught wearing crocs. .
Ty sir
My pleasure
Combination rifle target and bulk propane tank area. Great idea! lol. Just kidding. Does the big tank come with the drop tube assembly already in place or was that part of the transfer kit you bought?
The manufacturer builds the tank with that so that companies can suck it out when needed.
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Good Video !!!
Do not recommend Nash parts. They double the price. Try HD Supply. Also, a better fill system uses a ME216 coupler. You don’t need the bleeder valve. Leave that liquid propane in the hose. My opinion after retrofitting two tanks.
And, Nash Fuel doesn’t want you buying your own parts so they never state the part numbers you need.
My only comment and suggestions for you and viewers is having the proper safety equipment on. You did mention how the tank was cold. Think about that on your expose skin or eyes.
P.S. Someone else mention about filling the tank to the standard 80%. How you would easily do that with your system I don't know. Maybe checking the tank weight before and after? ("TW" aka Tare Weight) But again I am thinking of your safety and others.
The bleed off valve on the 20 lb tank has a tube that goes down into the tank to the 80% level.
Freeze yourself yup up here in Canada you can carry that liquid in a pail -40 yup you freeze dam quick in winter never thought I should make a video with the tank valve removed and filling the tank with the liquid when it's a balmy -,40 and don't try this inside lol it will disappear
Can you add a link for the required accessories/parts for this installation?
Redue this and list all the parts and numbers from the big tank to the small.
The link is in the description.
Are you able to fill the bigger tank with a bunch of smaller partially filled tanks ? 🤔
No. The large tank has to have the propane pumed into it. That is why it will flow into the smaller tanks.
Hi where can i buy those fitting for the 20 lb tank
20# propane tanks hold 4.5 gallons of propane. 30# tanks hold 6.8 gallons of propane.
When you installed this wet line,did the tank have to be empty or low?
It has to be empty and should be vacuumed before you fill it from what I have ben told in Kansas. You kind of need to have a pro do it, like your propane company,
I thought it is called "liquid withdrawal valve" for a reason
Have your lawnmower sitting there and put that excess propane from the hose into the fuel tank of the mower.
What about filling a bigger tank from a smaller tank, anyone ever did that?
There's not "coupon included" in the nashfuel link? Any suggestions?
Top of page it says use code STORESALE. But which one do you need is the question.
Where do get the refill hose
I think u overfill it.
Where can you buy that set up he is using
The link is in the description.
Don’t see a description
All my logic and sense of reasoning tells me this is some hillbilly nonsense right here and don’t do what he’s doing 💣💥🤯
What a waste of propane…
The O-ring is degrading due to the hose purge. After your tank refill process, a wise man would change the O-ring after ever refill.
Oh please....
For legal reasons, may I suggest re-uploading this with an asterisk stating something to the tune of "don't try this at home".
You should tell people that patreon is a Pay Site !!!
Would you kindly make a video for dumb old women That knows zero
Please Something that we don't have to piece together
if you chill your tanks, they'll fill faster.
What’s your usual cost per gallon to refill the 500 lb tank
It varise a lot by location. Around here it's been about $2.50/gal lately I believe.
$1250. I think I just fainted. 😉
1400$ TO FILL 2 500 GALLON TANKS
What’s great prepper tool.
What is the valve called on the large tank called?
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