why you shouldn't refill single use propane cylinders
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- a teardown and explanation of 1 LB propane cylinders
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I was born in 1964. I remember watching Popeye the Sailor when I was a little kid...
I never imagined I'd hear him warning me about refilling propane cylinders when I was 60.
Popeye also did anti-smoking adds.
I take that as a compliment LOL
and smoked a pipe. was weird times
I thought he was Red Green's brother.
I was born in 1968, caught Popeye on reruns. As an adult I've seen a few home levelled by gas leaks, this is a good video.
I don’t know what it is about human nature, but I don’t like somebody telling me I “can’t” do something and tend to block them out…but when somebody explains to me why I “shouldn’t” do something, I perk up and am very interested in what they have to say. Thank you for this video.
It's the "I need to see it for myself" thing, and with so many people armed with false information, it's good to be skeptical. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.
thank you. Im the same way. that's why I made the video
Are you q tradesman? Because I'm a Forman for carpenters and I have found this both in them and my self
@@shanebriggs4118I have no idea what this means.
Like people telling me i can't eat random mushrooms.
Sure i can, but i would likely die from eating a poisonous one or become really sick.
Even professional pickers can make an error if they go to new locations.
So yes you can do nearly everything but should not do even half the stuff.
Short, sweet, to the point. No minute long intro, or awful music. Excellent video!
thank you
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I'll be honest. I clicked on this video thinking you were going to be some overly cautious guy, full of bologna. After watching, you have absolutely convinced me to never refill those single use cylinders. I never considered the rust issue. Thank you sir, you may have saved lives with this!
Saved many lives? How do you know?
@@melissachartres3219Did you miss the word "MAY"?
@@pfitz4881and add the word many.
@@melissachartres3219The very first thing that came to mind when I read this comment.
How do WE know YOU haven't killed anybody?
I say this purely in jest and in a good spirit obviously ..but the answer is the same really.. how do we know?
How do we know???🙃
I hadn't considered rust either!!
I’ve refilled these things like crazy and I have had no issues so far but that’s not to say that it couldn’t happen. I used to haul bulk propane via 18 wheeler-10,000 gallons/ 44,000 pounds at a time. I have been burned by liquid propane on my legs (frostbite) and that is horribly painful, sometimes months . Propane is really nothing to mess with- If a tank ruptured then you are likely to either have nasty frostbite or you could be burned if it somehow combusts. Liquid propane looks and acts like water- it will soak right through your clothing and wet your skin for a split second and then evaporate and leave you with nasty frostbite before you have time to do anything about it.
Back in the 70s a friends dad who is a farmer used to use propane to run all his tractors, he would crack the propane valve and let the cold gases chill his beer. One day the propane bounced back instantly freezing his left eyeball leaving him permanently blind in that eye
That's why they're using it as refigerant now - R290 - aka propane! Basically anything is a refrigerant if it has a boiling and evaporation point at the right temperature and pressures
@@DonaldGMyers That's a neat trick though.
@@gorak9000 And you can also adjust the pressure and temperature to adjust the evaporation point. You can use that to make passive no moving parts heatpipe coolers ;)
Refrigeration people have always known this. But the old refrigerators had exposed coils. Pock a hole in one with a knife trying to get an ice cube tray out and Boom.@@gorak9000
People gonna do what they want, but I was not aware a refillable was available. Good job.
they are about 14 dollars each where I live
Disposables are not cheap to purchase, so refillables would be a reasonable value. I did not know refillables were available. Thanks.@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv
@@ya472only available in USA
I hadn't even thought about refilling the single use cylinders... I'm going to start doing that
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mvthats a very good deal. I mean considering the disposable cylinders are like 5-7$ each, and the gas is like 2-3 dollars per pound if I recall correctly (in a 15lb tank) these cylinders will pay for themselves in just a few uses. And the cost is not that much more than starting with a disposable bottle and re using it. This is good information to have. That’s a big improvement in safety for a only a slight cost increase.
Thought it was Red Green speaking at first.
Pfff! You just made his day!
Seal the top of the cylinder with duct tape to stop the valves from leaking if they go bad.
......there's your Red Green contribution.
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv
I KNEW I've heard that voice before...Remember,can't be handsome,myswell be handy...
Karl from sling blade ..."I like them French fried potaters"
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I had no idea that there were refillable cylinders. I was already concerned about refilling single use cylinders, but now I will buy some of them. I was a carpenter, so worrying about compressor tank rust was always a concern for me. Thanks for that explosion that *won't* happen to me!
Compressors are built so crappy these days the motor and fittings will give out long before the tank will rust through.
I have refilled them many many times.
You have provided adequate & valid proof, to convince me to stop.
Thank you & excellent public service message.
I myself have decided that I'll refill perhaps twice and then discard. Like you...I have refilled many times. I used to have one of those single use containers that I refilled countless times. I discarded it when it became leaky and switched to another. This was quite some time ago and I still have that second container. I'm not convinced to stop altogether, but now I'll replace sooner this time. Thanks for the comment.
I WAS going to start refilling mine. Now I will get a proper refillable one.
Flame King refillable
They only pop once.
thank you
You only pop once.
Once you pop, you can't stop!
That's what I was thinking too.
When he said that they argued with him that they had refilled one 40 times with no issues, I thought 'you will only have an issue with it one time'
I'm only going to disagree with you because you told me too... it doesn't feel very good, though...
I think I actually bought the fitting about a year ago. I'm throwing out my one-use bottles, and looking at refillable. Thanks for a very well illustrated point presented logically.
While I never intended to refill any non refillable propane containers, I wondered what the difference is between refillable and non refillable containers. Thanks for posting and clarifying this matter.
I have been refilling the single use cylinders for many years BUT I mark a date on the outside and after the 3th refill, I toss them. I didn't know there were 1lb cylinders that were made to be refilled. I thank you. I'll certainly check into those.
Good video. Thanks
By far the best part of this video is his voice. That voice rocks! It is the voice of someone who has f-ed around and found out a few times, learning good life lessons.
wow. thanks. I sounded like this in first grade, and I have not had many compliments on my voice. Bless you my friend, you made my day
This is one of the only times ive ever head "im just saying" come after a very good and convincing argument. Thanks for the info!
Glad to help
Certainly, if one is going to be refiling the cannister 20-30 times or more per year, spring for a refillable. But for emergency or occasional use, I just can't get too excited about it.
ETA: Still, a well thought out and presented argument and you get a thumbs-up from me.
Im just pointing out that the general population does not always understand that difference and was trying to show them. Just remember single use cylinders aren't stress tested for a reason. They are one use. metal fatigue is not taken in to account the same. One bad shoe comes through and makes a tank and someone looses a hand over not spending 14 dollars
Lol ridiculous profile pic
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv Always check your information in regards to the laws on pressure gas cylinders! Do your homework. You've just stated that these pressurized propane cylinders aren't stress tested, think again! If these pressurized cylinders weren't stress tested, they would not meet the law requirements and couldn't be sold to the public or anyone else! These cylinders are all safety tested and have built in safety relief valves. Note: ALL propane tanks, including the cylinders you use for your grill, are required by law to have pressure relief devices that allow for the release of excess pressure inside the tank.
What’s the pressure of a new 1 lb canister. I think it’s so low there is no great danger.
The danger is when you are using it and it ruptures and sets you on fire and everything around it. Worse they get stored inside and rupture in the basement next to your gas appliance... etc. @@chuckfry1227
Great video . . . reminds me of something my Dad says . . . "Just because you 'can' do something, doesn't mean you 'should'.
Appreciate you taking the time to do this video Sir.
Love that!
Thank you for taking the time and spending the money destroying those 3 cylinders to visually give us a lesson.
Thanks for watching
Good video. I have a few single use ones that are about 15 years old and I have refilled them countless times. Probably time to switch them out. I never thought about them rusting from the inside. Thx for cutting them open and showing 😀
be careful. the new ones are thinner than older ones
Wow. Fascinating differences in construction. Thanks for the demonstration.
Great video! I'm glad you survived cutting them open. Your visual of squeezing and bending the refillable was very compelling. I've not seen anyone do that and I've seen a lot of videos about refilling them. I tried it, but the green ones are very finicky to re-fill. And those valves are not meant to be poked at like a bicycle valve. I have some Flame King cylinders on the way now.
thanks for your comment
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv I would like to see a follow up on the torch bottles like mapgas or propane. The taller slender bottles, approximately the same fluid oz.
@@dizzydinonysius the only difference is the shape of the cylinder.
I am going to tell my boss to start saving money by refilling her one use cylinders for her office heater.
She must be very special! 😏
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv One of a kind, she is. One of a kind with a personality to match, is her gift to the world. I hesitate not to recommend her companionship to anybody.
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv
Helmet special 😁
Consult your attorney
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying saying it's a bad idea
Always wondered why the label said something to the effect of it being illegal to transport if refilled on the disposable cylinders. Also never knew there were refillable 1 pound cylinders. All I know for certain is that they are always empty when I need one.
something I was definitely not expecting to find was rust.
that is more than enough for me to say "no thanks, I'll pay the extra for a refillable bottle"
I didn't know they made refillable tanks. Night and day difference, too. Thank you.
I like the fans you've got in the background.
Thank you for educating me for the future of myself and the ones I take care of.
Great video. This is why I bought the Flame King refillable cylinders. Safety first and very convenient too. 👍 😊
Thanks for responding. Safety first
Finally someone talking sense and not an armchair warrior with nothing to back it up. Thank You!
As a former professional propane filler and gas piper I can confidently say that you are correct ! And I have unhooked a leaking gas tank and tossed it far away from a filling station because the safety valve had popped open and sprayed gas straight into my face because someone had improperly filled it and metal fatigue was present as well !
Im just happy that 75 percent of the people understood and get that.
Well crap! I save my empties and occasionally refill them. You make a strong argument against the practice. I have proved the refillable tanks in the past and sort of choked on the price. Now I know why they cost what they do.
Thanks for taking the time to make the video and also for sacrificing two of your tanks.
I have one point to add, Disposable cylinders used to be a lot thicker but now they are thinner, How do i know? I used to tare mine then all the sudden they lost about 20 percent weight. So I bought the hose setup to run my stuff. But i did not know about refillable so thank you for that boon.
How long ago did that happen? Because I still have a few old ones I've been meaning to refill. If they're thick enough, I'd probably still take the risk. Maybe give 'em a shot of WD-40 inside first.
@@pocket83squared 3/4 years ago tank and hose is the way for me
It's a feature. Now they're lighter weight.
Thank you for doing this and taking the financial hit of cutting up refillable cylinders to make the comparisons. It at least gives folks an informed choice. As other people have posted here I too think that the single use Worthington type cylinders have now been cheapened enough that refilling them isn't worth the risk any more.
I see people doing this all the time,and it always concerns me. As a commercial refrigeration technician i have seen vessels explode it aint pretty. Good video straight to the point.
Thanks Froggy.
You prolly just saved Alfalfa's life.
I certainly do a lot of refilling of the single use cylinders with no problems. In my experience the ports start leaking before any catastrophic failure. Bringing me to my next point as I agree siding with precaution is good with designed refillable containers, some references for context of actual catastrophic failure should be presented in a video like this to really drive your point home considering rupturing of these cylinders is NOT a common enough occurrence to concern most people. I for one will be upgrading from now on to refillables due to this video and my growing concern of my aging cylinders. Thanks for the video.
I would agree that the valves usually fail before any major fail. leaking propane is still risky in my opinion
@@ReliablyRandom-BuildsReb-rg7mv no question, I immediately use them in my portable heaters and dispose after empty. Thanks again for the video. Definitely shed some light on disposable bottles, another side note I’ve had prolly half of my bottle “balloon” out concerning amounts but again never failing. It would be interesting to see a video of testing to failure with filled Coleman bottles being exposed to common extreme temperatures with drop and crush scenarios, in controlled environments of course.
I kind of rolled my eyes at 1st but after watching this video you make a pretty darn compelling argument!
Very, very interesting and informative. Thanks for a great lesson.
I had seen the adapter kits a while back to refill those small canisters that go on the buddy heaters. Good to know they actually sell reusable small canister. One-time use canisters is just asking for problems.
Excellent video thank you. Hope it saves a few lives
great presentation, and I really appreciate how you stated "I'm not saying you can't refill these cylinders, I'm saying you shouldn't refill single use cylinders"
I great way to tell someone like myself with PDA (I hate being told to do or not do something directly) I never wanted to refill one, and now I know to never try, thanks. Side note, speaking of rusty cylinders, I really should take the valve off my old air tank and stick a bore scope down in there to see how rusty itʻs got over the past 15 years. Dang things a ticking mess for sure.
You had me at "Pressure Vessel". Twenty eight years in the engineering sector, I knew you know, what you are talking about. I trust you. Of course, the financial investment between the single use and refillable containers is dramatic! But you have proven the reason why. Thank you. I will move my investment from single use to refillable vessels.
the refillables are down to about 12 bucks each where I live
The mass & thickness of the steel & the rust inhibitor are all very noteworthy distinctions This is all solid information. There's no excuse for rust in the NO LONGER CHEAP Coleman cylinders. Even single use should simply use dehydrated air at the very least. In my experience these bottles can fail 1 of 2 ways. 1. Most common: Slowly, oxidation finally weakens the steel enough to cause a small leak. 2. Less common. Fast, eExplosion due to heat &/or weakened steel.
It only takes one time to "Have a problem" with a single use container and you won't be here to complain about the cost of a refillable. Notice the difference in the quality of the valve too.
Thanks for the demo to drive it home !
Had a half used Coleman tank that I had used several times then one day the valve wouldn't close even after a couple of tries, put it off to a safe place and it became an ice cylinder. Luckily I had brought a spare tank along on that trip.
i never gave the thickness difference a thought. thanks for the info.
Clearly this man is a fan fan!
Great video! A very clear way of showing the real differences. I'm convinced and I'll be seeking out some proper refillable tanks.
thanks. be safe
Good presentation, and Facts. I had a blue propane cylinder and a old torch tip for soldering plumbing fittings i used to start fires in the old burn barrell outside. I fired up the torch and could not shut it off, if had to burn if self out, lucky it was outside. Not sure if the cylinder or torch tip was defective, threw both in the garbage when they cooled off.
I was starting to save the used single use bottles to refill later. I've never refilled one before but had seen plenty of videos on how to do it. After seeing your video, I will not chance it.
I saw a video of a air compressor that exploded because it was rusted on the inside. Took out half a guy's garage. I realize these are smaller and less pressure but it would be enough to ruin your day. Not worth the risk. Thanks.
Thank you for the video very informative and will probably save lives.
thank you
I bought several years ago an adapter to refill the one time use tanks from a regular propane tank. Never did use it, I'm kind of glad I haven't and I'm not going to use it now.
Thanks to your video, I am disposing of all my old cylinders. I did have plans to refill them, even bought the coupler to do it but not gonna do it now. Not safe at all. I had no idea... Thanks for the heads-up!
Awesome video thank you for sharing this information.
This is good advice. Thank you for making this video.
You are so welcome!
This is the best explanation video about all of these tanks on youtube PERIOD! I thank you sir. Much Respect🫡
thanks
some time back i ought a “mini” propane tank,
looks just like the reg tanks used in a rv.
but due to having to fit everything in a CJ-7. this little unit is great. larger than in the video but for just two days usage it is perfect. as it is refillable no problem.
and no garbage filling tin cans.
You made a good point there.
I never thought about rust developing in the container. That could flake off and clog the pores in a heater or stove and then you would be sunk.
Now i'll need to see if the one pounders will fit in my Buddy with a filter.
Be careful. Some of them may not. The clearance for them to fit is very tight. Some styles might and other might not.
I’ve done it a few times. It’s been in the back of my mind just to get the better tank. OK you convinced me 1.2 mm lol
Great advice!! Thank you for this good sir!!
Thank you for the good information.
Thanks for watching
Right at the Start! I Love that old fan you have behind you!
I have a couple old beauties, from the 30s - 40s. All original
and they still work. 👍👍👍👍 😁✌🖖
P.S.: Oh, there's more. I didn't notice, the first time. Cool!
Thank you for explaining this.
Thanx for a reminder. My dad told me the same thing about fourty years ago.
a tippy-top insight & very informative video, mucho thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Good advice. Thanks.
i have never refilled but seen it done,but i can see what and why! good info thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I'm absolutely convinced! I'd like to think that the disposable propane cylinder vendors go to special lengths to ensure that they use dry propane.
Disposable cylinder + wet propane + time = BOOM!
Thank you for this video!!! So informative and to the point 👌
Glad you liked it!!
It only takes once and BOOM.
Dude sounds like he eats cigarette butts like peanuts.
He's been refilled too often as a child when they are actually single-use.
Talks lie Gravel Gus.
Hey hey hey, at least he don't sound like RFK JR, him talking makes my damn ears bleed
@@MAGATRON-DESTROYstill better than any of the Drumpf family
Really cool of you to make fun of someone's health problem.
I was recently thinking about starting to refill my Coleman cylinders. Thank you for setting me straight!
Appreciate the insight.
I refill those all the time and it saves me a ton of money and it's better for the environment I've never had a problem with them.
First time for everything. Sometimes the first time is the last time.
@@UQRXD Like the submarine to visit the Titanic a while back.
I paused in the middle of this video to go to Ebay to purchase 4 refillable one lb and 2 refillable 1/4 lb (which I didn't even know existed till now) propane cylinders. $130.86 total with tax. For camping. Gonna use up the green Coleman 1 lb tanks which I had planned to refill, and toss 'em in the recycleable metals bin. Thank you Popeye, for a great and informative video that I didn't expect to be so great and informative.
check your local laws, around here you can't put those in the regular recycling and have to drop them off at the dump on hazmat day
thanks so much for your comment. be safe
Great video, and thanks for the info. I was not aware of the difference. I don't use those small propane tanks but still good to know.
PS. I like those 5 old fans around you.
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we have a video of one of the fan restorations if your interested.thanks for your comment.
This man was healthy and able to walk and talk before he refilled his propane cylinder, look what happened😂
Not funny!
@@colin8532 There's always at least one.
@@colin8532 I thought it was funny.
*Propane Cylinder, has taken my sight*
*Taken my speech,*
*Taken my hearing,*
*Taken my arms,*
*Taken my legs,*
*Taken my skin,*
*Left me with life in hell*
I like many others in the comments have considered refilling these. I saw a video on how to do it safely and what fittings to use .After seeing this video and the wall thicknesses, i have decided not to be cheap. The hell with that. You have probably saved my life .Thank you for this post. 👍 .
I never thought of it like that, I also didn't know they made refillable ones.
When those refill adapters first hit the market over half a century ago those fat short tanks didn't exist.
I think all the tall skinny tanks were quite thicker metal back then.
Propane is a low pressure gas so the risk of rupture from pressure is low.
The valves eventually start leaking and I throw them out. It's easy to check for leaks after filling with a water/dish soap mixture and a spray bottle around the valve for safety.
If it’s hot out then propane can easily reach pressures of 180+ PSI. I used to watch this happen on summer days with my 10,500 gallon propane trailer. Most tanks are set up to vent at 225 PSI if I remember correctly. Propane isn’t really a low pressure gas.
@@stevenvanheel3932 That's low pressure compared to an oxygen tank or a scuba tank or even a paintball gun tank. All of those have 3000 psi or more.
@@tenlittleindians trust me though, if you get hit by a blast of 180 PSI propane you will be having a very bad day and probably a very bad next few months. Sure, it’s low compared to an oxygen tank but it sure isn’t “low”.
@@stevenvanheel3932 Let me say the same thing, only in a different way. 180 PSI may sound low compared with 3,000, but imagine the damage it can do to your body. People have been killed by over-inflating tires, and that's a lot less than 180PSI, and the air inside tires is not super cold or super hot.
I have refilled the single use canisters more than once without any issues. I personally feel like people are going to do whatever they are comfortable with doing either way. The cost of the single use propane cylinder is too expensive if you’re using a large amount of them. I really like your antique fans, careful not to stick your hands too close to the blades when it’s operating 😮.
Never had a problem with my vintage fans and fingers. I would always stick my fingers in the fan from the front and never had a problem because of the way the fan blade is made. Now if you stick your fingers in front the back you will remember that forever.
U Are A Good Sport ----- And I Did Not Know They Made Refillable 1Lb Propane Cylinders ----- I Will Find Out Where I Can Get Some ------- I Have Filled My Last Single Use Tank ----- Thank You 4 The Heads Up
Thanks for looking out for us. I gotta purchase a refillable one now.
All refillable gas bottles have to be hydrostatically tested at set intervals. Stamped and dated. The thin one time use ones are a ticking time bomb if you are refilling. Each time you pressurise and depressurise the bottle gets weaker. Rust is a factor. That can depend on the how pure the gas that goes in is and filling method. An open hose will get humidity inside it if not purged first then it goes in bottle and will cause rusting.
Devil's advocate here. Wouldn't the same phenomenon apply to a car's brake system every time you pump the pedal? I mean, here on Earth, we're immersed in an oxygen-rich environment, where every single object is being subjected to a continuous barrage of erosive physical and chemical degradations; strictly speaking, everything is a ticking clock-ourselves included.
It's hard not to wonder whether the _risk_ portion of risk/benefit might be getting somewhat overstated here. I'm also thinking a quick pulse of WD-40 before refill could oar back the rust sharks for a bit. IknowIknow, it's only a _de facto_ inhibitor. But that's kinda my point: everything is.
The car braking system is devided front and rear so a total fail is very very rare.
Mixing any thing in with the propane could cause a problem with materials in regulators and seals on devices it use in if they are not compatible.
@@pocket83squared
@@pocket83squared100%. A them cans even at 100° are still under 200psi. An very unlikely to just bust.
Even if it rusted it’s going to be a pin hole. An some of these things sit around a long time in some places before selling. With the same pin rust specs under pressure all the time.
An pressure is always fluctuating in them anyway. Each time it’s used. It’s boiling off. Until the room it’s in or whatever temp it’s at stabilizes out and stop spoiling off.
Ect ect ect
@@pocket83squaredThe brake system on a vehicle is a CLOSED system, after the master cylinder, and the only air that gets in there is when it's opened to refill it. Have you never noticed the rubber seal poking down on a very low system?
@@pocket83squaredbrake systems are designed to fail soft. That is there is indication before complete failure.
In brakes it's the dual circuit that does this. Combined with regular (yearly?) inspection and testing, the corrosion you describe will be spotted or not be disastrous.
What's the liquid green shoow at the bottom of a 100lbs tank?
If you are referring to a liquid substance you can see at the bottom of a 100# cylinder, it is likely what is known as "heavy ends" or, ethyl mercaptan. this is used to odorize propane to make it's presence detectable by the human nose since propane is actually odorless. Over the course of a number of years and many refills, ethyl mercaptan (EM) tends to settle out of the propane and collect at the bottom of the container. It only take somewhere on average of 1 qt. of "EM" to odorize 30000 gallons of propane.
If you manage to get a bit of EM on your clothing, the best method of removing the smell is to leave it out in the sunlight after washing the clothing with soap and water.
It was like a 1/2 gallon of it in an empty tank. I inverted the tank and opened the valve and a pine green liquid started to come out, I stopped and left it in the tank not knowing if it was some kind of anti rust.
I like watching you explain stuff. Thank you :)
My pleasure!
I enjoyed your video. I felt like I was watching the old Red Green show! You and Red Green sound and talk the same. I think it's awesome!!
Red Green is my Hero
Even the refillable cylinders have an expiration date.
10 years and you can get them re tested but most times not financially viable.
We should do some calculations on the pressure vessels!!!
So what pressure load is applied for propane?
on a summer day 150 PSI ish. that's why people don't worry.
in the trunk of a car on a hot summer day, 400 PSI ish.
Great Information & presentation. Thank You!
thanks
Wow!!!! Thank you for that info. I was already slightly hesitant, but after this…. All that I needed. Unless it’s under extreme circumstances then I won’t be refilling those
I agree. Refilling also can cause fatigue cracking since the non-refillable ones never go back up in pressure once they drop below 100 psi or so (when there is no more liquid propane in them). Letting it go to near zero and then filling it again can cause an actual reversal of the load on the steel, like bending it back and forth.
Thanks so much for that. I tried to figure out a good way to explain how metal fatigue comes in with different grades of steel. The video seemed pretty boring already
I would point out that D.O.T. regulations prohibit the transport of single use cylinders that have been refilled.
Is that interstate or intrastate transportation?
@@SnowyOwlPrepperInterstate, but some individual states may have their own regulations as well.
The Flame King cylinders ARE DOT approved for transport after filling. 1 of only a 3 or 4 on the market that are DOT approved.
Excellent, important video! Thanks!!
thank you for your comment
Thanks for the video. I appreciate the wall thickness of the cylinders and the internal view. I always wondered about the drop tube in there. I just recently bought a couple of the Flame King cylinders. Much easier to fill with the bleeder valve.
Are you the same guy that goes to the centre of a frozen lake and makes a hole to
see just how thick the Ice is ? just a FYI no pressure in a tank propane boils off
That is why at - 40 propane is useless as a fuel.
Propane boils really fast at room temp but if that liquid propane hits you it will boil off of your skin and leave you with severe frostbite. I have the scars to prove that and I will have them for the rest of my life.
I refill as many times as necessary, but retire the tanks after 5 years
just a note. that may be 6 refills for you. for me on a single tank that would be about 300 refills
Damn now that’s some real information! You’ll probably save lives dude💪👍
I didn’t know there was such a thing as a refillable 1 lb bottle good to know
Thanks
You make some good points. But 99.9% of those single use tanks do not get transported when refilled. It is almost impossible to fully fill any propane tank without a pump so the pressures are a little lower on home brewed refills. Most of that extra durability in the refillable canisters is to enhance safety when transporting. In closing I will agree some people refilling single use canisters should stop.
Um, no, once you have liquid in the tank it will go to it's ambiant presure based on whatever the temp outside is. I don't think a refilled rusty tank would just split open, it would develope a pinhole leak first. But, in the end, refilling a one - use tank is for emergencies only. Also, you can fully fill most containers by icing down the tank you are filling.
actually once there is any liquid in the tank the pressure is exactly the same at any pressure. you can look up propane pressure temperature chart and it will show you where the pressure is at with just one drop of liquid at any given temp
I used to refill the disposables. I did it for around a year, and then one day one of them swelled up like a balloon. That was enough to convince me to stop and go buy refillables. I was lucky it didn't explode in my face.
You do not need a pump to fill propane tank to full or actually over full. That's why correct procedure when filling portable propane tanks you have to weigh them to get the correct weight for your tank. If you didn't weigh you create a very dangerous situation because now your not sure if tank is overfilled and I have over filled 14.1 oz propane tanks before so I know it is possible to overfill tanks. Propane fluctuates with temperature that is why you need weigh to know for sure you are only putting in exactly the amount the tank is rated for of course you have to weigh the tank empty. The tare weight (just the weight of tank empty) and net weight is what is inside the liquid propane itself.
@@liv04soccer the thing is with a properly functioning bleed valve and proper fill procedure you can't overfill the container, if it's getting overfilled then the tank is malfunctioning or not designed to be filled. Most people dont know how to use the bleed valve to know when a tank is full though.