FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: Q1. Can I fill propane gas into butane or isobutane canisters? Answer. NO! DO NOT TRY TO FILL PROPANE GAS INTO BUTANE OR ISOBUTANE CANISTERS!! It's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry around. Q2. Can I "top up" a half full gas canister, say a camping iso-butane canister that is half-full with butane gas? Answer: There is nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister provided that it is only topped up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane for example. However, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g Jetboil camping canister for my adventures. When empty, it weighs 100g, when full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold. Q3. If I don't freeze the "receiving canister" (host), can I still transfer gas from the donor canister to the host canister? Answer: Yes, you can.... if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from the donor canister to the host canister effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So, the receiving canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister should be on the bottom of the donor canister. Q4. My iso-butane canister is looking old, rusty and crappy. Can I still refill it? Answer: Like anything in life, safety is paramount, and if you choose to use any equipment that is old, rusty and crappy, then you will wear the risk of personal injury!! It is critical to always ensure your gas canisters are in good condition. If there is any rust or damage, do not use it for gas purposes!! Discard it and get another gas canister that you have confidence in.
@jelreviews see the silver one you turn on I bhought it ,it come with the orange round thing .Do I need to buy the small valve brass to out thin bottled gas ie stuff used for heaters that you put in sideways , thnks .
Here in Canada it's actually illegal to refill the "non-refillable" types, probably because most people don't understand the differences between gas, cannisters and pressure. I had a LPG (Propane) vehicle with adapters and hoses to use 20 lb (8KG) tanks in case I ran out in the woods... I also wanted to mention to you and your viewers that the smaller 1lb (400grm green ones) has legally refillable ones on Amazon. The refillable ones usually have a valve to deal with "over filling" while the green ones don't. Also I think the refillable ones are a bit sturdier on construction. My advice, but the refillable LPG tanks and a tank kit if you're going to use small ones for camping.
Hi you forgot about ullage. This is the empty space at the top of the gas. This is the weight which is slightly less than a totally full bottle. It is to allow for liquid expansion as the temperature rises. If no ullage, the liquid expands and produces enough pressure to burst the bottle. Very important, if your bottle weighs more than the original fill, let some out immediately. Can be done by connecting up and burning a flame until the weight has come down. Be warned, if refilled bottle causes fire, insurance will be voided.
I don’t know how you could have produced this with all of the important information in a briefer, clearer presentation. I have probably consulted seven or eight other videos (each helpful in its own way), but none was as thorough or as clear as this. Thank you very much for the effort that went into this (the editing must have been labor-intensive); be safe, and enjoy the outdoors. Many thanks from the USA.
Thank you so much for the encouraging comment... I really appreciate it. It does take a lot of work, but I enjoy helping others when I can. Thanks for watching. :)
Few notes: - propane, butane or their mix is always mostly liquified in the bottle unless its almost empty, you harvest the gas from layer on top of the liquid - this is part of the reason you had trouble transferring into a bottle that was laying on its side, better setup is donor/receiver adaptors connected with a hose, that way you can keep donor bottle upside down, receiver bottle right side up and also keep it on the scale while you are filling to check that you don´t go over the proper fill weight.
Thank you for video. Now I know to put my ciggy lighters in freezer b4 refilling 'em. 👍 The little canisters are sort of waste but convienient. The larger propane (swap 'n go) are probably the best for heating &/or cooking.
This was the most thorough, and understandable, video I have read on refilling canisters. I ordinarily hammock-camp in a nearby state forest (less than 20 miles away, in the USA), and I ordinarily do everything over a fire; in the summer, it keeps bugs away, in cooler weather, it produces heat (I’ve been comfortably down to 18 F in my hammock), so I ordinarily just cook on the fire. When it rains, however, and I have my hammock tarp in porch mode, I take an alcohol stove, which works fine. However, it doesn’t work very well in sub-freezing weather (it lights, but is slow to reach boiling temps). So I purchased an inexpensive butane stove (the Ozark single-burner). When I weighed it, compared to my alcohol (with fuel), it is only one ounce lighter for the 8 oz. canister, and would be LESS with a 4 oz. canister. Since I ordinarily do only a night or two, that is all I need, but now (thanks to you) I can use my larger butane canisters to re-fuel my smaller ones, and they will be as light (or lighter), and more reliable (keep them close to your back on sub-freezing hikes). This is what I will try this summer and fall, and see how it compares to the alcohol stove. You have provided VERY helpful information as I plan for the future. BTW, I am almost 70, recovered from Stage-3 colon cancer 20 years ago, and I am just grateful to still hike out in the woods and spend nights alone in the woods. Thank you very much, from state-side, as we call it here; hikers, campers, and backpackers have no countries; we all just live in the forest, when we can. THANK you very much. Be safe, and enjoy the forest.
Thanks for your comment. Glad you found it helpful. I think you'll find taking the small 4oz canisters will be a gamechanger, with the ability to be lightweight but cook your food or boil your water much more rapidly. Enjoy your hikes... :)
Here in the UK I tend to buy larger ISO Butane cans at 500g each. I then fill our small 230g or 100g cans as appropriate. Works out a little more economical to buy in bulk. The 230g ones we use for sea kayaking expeditions, they fit in the boat a bit easier; and the 100g ones for when we have to carry stuff on our backs 😎 The big ones never go anywhere near a stove. Once they are empty I puncture them and recycle. Thanks for the info on the narrower pure butane cans. Cheaper solution so long as it’s not too cold 👍🏻 Will probably use these once I get the adapter from eBay.
Would like a follow up please, testing the efficiency of the gases. So, a boil time test using pure the propane/ LPG, the isobutane mix, and the pure butane. Show the time, and the amount of gas used, all with the same stove.
Awesome video! Here in the US, propane is so prevalent that I switched my Iso-butane backpacking stoves to it using the adapter. I have almost completely abandoned isobutane, taking propane for car camping, white gas for backpacking.
Great video! Be mindful of the rust that will develop inside of steel peopane bottles, they will not last forever. Propane contains water so structural integrity will eventually be compromised by rust. That being said, I hate throwing away a perfectly good canister just because it is empty.
Great video, it's good to move isobutane from one canister to another if you don't want to take 2 on more partly filled cans, for weight or space reasons
I have been filling my propane torch for the last few years and it's a great idea, and saves heaps of $. Alas the new cylinder connections are becoming more common, so I'll have to get another adapter to continue in the future
Kmart doesn't sell the small butane bottles anymore. So I came across your video on how to refill them. I like the idea of re-using them since the small bottles are expensive.
Every single hikers in my country ( Indonesia ) always refill their canister after hiking, only rich hikers buys new one after their canister empty, because Primus, MSR, Jetboil and Giga Power gas is so expensive, we use local gas to refill.
I've googled and researched far and wide, have not found more apt information as this anywhere on internet. I was always confused if the Bunnings and swap and go gas bottles at servos have the same gas as the jet boils. Thanks for this video.
This is a brilliant video. I have searched for similar vids, but it in the end it was TH-cam analytics that brought it up for me. A great job in explaining and thank you for sharing.
Top video. Just FYI you can fill the Butane canister from your Propane source with the correct adaptor, BUT they won't work on the standard outdoor butane stove because the safety mechanism on the stove kicks in because propane pressure is much higher than butane and the stove will not let it work.
Great info, a few clarifications please: Is there such a thing as "topping up" a camping canister? In other words, what would happen if you went to refill a half empty one from a thin butane can? Second is what happens if you don't freeze the receiving canister, is it a large difference in the mass gain?
Thanks. Re the first question, nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister, however be aware of the following: only top up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane. Also, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g camping canister for my adventures. Empty it weighs 100g, full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold. Re the second question, if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Hope all that helps :)
Great video, I learned things! I bought one of those 'over/under' adapters, to try and collect small leftovers from almost finished containers. Thing is, the valve open both ways, so I thought it might be faulty, but there's also no indicators for in/out . I was thinking, isn't gas liquid and supposed to follow gravity downward, so I just place the donor on top and reciever on bottom, or is the pressure a factor? I'm sorry but you made the video, so be ready for questions XD
No problem at all... always happy to answer questions if I can. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Just don't overfill the canisters... use a weigh scale to double-check. Hope that helps. :)
Hi. Just wondering why you fit an o-ring over tip of the small adapter when refilling the Lindal type screw gas canister? This o-ring is a spare in case existing o-ring in female end of small adapter leaks.
Thanks! In my experience, Iso-Butane will burn slightly "harder" with a Jetboil, but honestly its only negligible... maybe will boil water up about 20 seconds faster than Butane. However as I mentioned in the video, Butane gas will not perform well in cold conditions. Where I camp in Australia, Butane is generally all I use for camp stoves - no issues with performance.
Hello, great video, just what I was looking for. Can I use a butane gas canister on a propane camp stove ? If so, what adapter do I need to use butane bottles on propane stove?
Thanks for watching. If you mean to fill a butane canister with propane, then no.... too dangerous. Propane is not meant for the very thin-walled butane or isobutane gas canisters as it exerts a lot higher pressure.
@@marcoshernandez1427 Sorry, now I get it. :) Yes you can... I'd recommend checking out this guy's video as he does exactly what you're asking: th-cam.com/video/a5I9ENOItlE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=EliteEdge%3ATech%26WellnesswithSheryl%26Linus
A canister with a designed bleeder valve will be easier to fill, and also safer to use and transport. They are also the legal option for transport, in the peculiar but not unheard of instance of a transport related explosion, as use of an unregulated container would be treated as negligence in the event of damage or injury.
I know you can't refill 8oz butane cans with propane because of the higher pressure, but can you combine butane from partially empty butane cans into one?
Absolutely, you can combine butane from other butane canisters into one of these Isobutane canisters I've shown in this video. Just ensure you don't add butane into a canister that already contains the Isobutane mixture... It's either one or the other. No home mixing of both. 👍👍
You are lucky that the cost of the tall butane gas canisters is so cheap! In Greece the cost of one of those canisters is around 5 Euros! They are used in the table side cookers in many restaurants, more than likely the reason for the higher cost. I do have one of the older camping stoves I bought in the states that comes from Brazil and utilizes the Camping Gaz 190gm sealed can that the stove will pierce when the base holding the gas tank is screwed tight to the stove. One does not unscrew the cylinder housing until it is totally empty. I also purchased an adapter that takes these cheap pierce once cans and converts it to a screw top style canister as allowing it to work with a smaller compact camping burners without worry of loosing gas from the cheaper piercing cans.
Oh wow... that is expensive for butane! I guess we are fortunate here in OZ for that gas. I've never had the chance to use the pierced gas canisters - they are not really sold much nor used over here. That adaptor for pierced cans sounds interesting - can't say I've seen that yet.
@Subgunman Hi. That's interesting info. Thanks. The adaptor you mention that allows piercable canister > threaded stove. Could you provide info on what to search for? The only one I could find wasn't he Kovea KA-1004 'clamp down' frame style adaptor. We can buy C206 GLS canisters for £3 from an outdoor warehouse business called 'Go Outdoors'.
Here in Bulgaria, I can fulfill almost every bottle from the big types on the gas station with LPG for 1.20 bulgarian lev which is equivlent of app 50 cents us dollars. So 3.7 kgms bottle is 2 usdollars :)
Greetings from the Baltics where it gets very cold. I have a mixture of all there small containers and a bag full of adapters. We are all electric so if there is an outage the little squat can with a burner comes out and heats the meal and then is weighed when it is put away. I will refill it with the tall butane cans until those cans are exhausted (I bought them at my Lidl store as they were sold as refilling units for a walkway weed burner) Hoping to see a repeat sale this Fall. Great video.
@@streakychambers658 It can be used to let out some gas if you overfill a can and to fully empty a can before you throw it away. It is best to puncture an empty isobutane can before disposing of it.
I want to fill the 1 lb. green bottle with the butane can. what adapter do I need? Better yet, I can to use the butane on a bbq that uses the 1 lb. green bottle propane. is there an adpter for that? or is that a no no.
Just for info I overfilled the 100 size canister by 20 percent in order to have sufficient gas for a longer trip. It was fine until I left the canister in the sun which caused the bottom of the canister to distort. Fortunately it didn’t fracture the canister so be careful not to push your luck! Ps I really miss Bunnings now I’m in the UK 🥲
No probs. Yes, my understanding is that it's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry. 👍
@@jelreviews Thanks for your answer. Ah, OK, I understand. Since I mostly only do overnight tours, 30g in a 100g canister would probably be enough for me. But it's probably a stupid idea, don't you think? (At my risk, of course!) :D
@massa6784 Butane can be stored under pressure at 1.5bar at 15 degrees C, the pressure of Propane under similar conditions is 7 bar! The tall 'beercan' Butane cylinders are thin and fragile but are normally used in static grills and bbqs, the small iso/Butane (also Butane/Propane from Campingaz) are more rugged for backpacking and climbing where they are more likely to be bashed and dropped, they don't actually need to be that thick but I've seen the beercans take some scary knocks. Propane is 4 times the pressure of Butane, just don't go there.
You can freeze it as long as you like - I only freeze it for around 30 minutes. No, this is not dangerous to do. These canisters are heavy duty and can withstand -30 degrees celcius easily.
I would advice anyone doing this to check your valves and bottles/cans with a spraybottle and a Mix of water and dishsoap for leakage Use a Mix of at least 40%soap to get nice clear bubbleing if anything is letting out Gas where it shouldnt
No problem. The video has a description area where I write a bunch of stuff about the video for the viewer. In that section is a link for each of the adaptors I show in this video - I've titled these as "Purchase Links". Each link will take you to where I purchased these. Hope that helps. :)
In Australia, propane is a type of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), but not all LPG is propane: Propane A three-carbon molecule with the formula C3H8. Propane is a type of LPG, and all propane is LPG. LPG A flammable hydrocarbon gas that can be propane, butane, isobutane, or a mixture of these gases. LPG is also known as LP gas, BBQ gas, camping gas, or autogas. LPG is created through oil refining and natural gas processing. It's often used as fuel for cooking, heating, and vehicles. LPG is heavier than air and has a higher specific gravity than natural gas. LPG is supplied through gas cylinders, while natural gas is piped into homes, businesses, and industrial properties. The density of propane gas is similar to that of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), which is made up of propane and other gases: Propane The density of propane gas is about half that of water, with a specific gravity of 0.51. This means that 1 kilogram of propane gas has a volume of 1.96 liters, and 1 liter of propane gas weighs 0.51 kilograms. LPG The density of LPG is also about half that of water, with a specific gravity of 0.51. In Australia, where LPG is primarily propane, 1 kilogram of LPG has a volume of 1.96 liters, and 1 liter of LPG weighs 0.51 kilograms. LPG is a crude oil product that can also contain butane and isobutane. In the United States, it's common to refer to LP gas as "propane" because propane is the main component.
It can be charged, but the cylinder may swell and burst in the summer heat! ️I also experimented, but the bottom expanded from concave to convex. Apparently it survived the explosion. too dangerou‼️
I don't think people really realize how dangerous this is to do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, there are many options out there that are refillable and safe. One company or such company sadly it is a overseas company but in my eyes I don't care is a company called camping Moon and I'm sure you have one or two of their adapters from the looks of your video. They have at least four different options when it comes to refillable canisters the largest option is their tc-35 but they sound like hotcakes I'm not going to lie! It took me at least a year to finally get myself one because of how fast these things sell. They're smaller ones you can find on Amazon quite easily, all you need to do is for camping Moon refillable canister. I believe they're second largest is the TC 28 is relatively small compared to their tc35 but still the weight is cut in half of course because of its size but still very worth it in my opinion
@@jelreviews exactly what I said. Reusing disposable fuel canisters. They're all built the same way, meaning they all will break down the same way and could cause significant damage or harm to you or others around you.
Yeah I disagree... these iso-butane canisters are perfectly safe for refilling with butane gas and obviously iso-butane mixtures. It's propane gas that I would not be filling these with as that is a heavier gas requiring a more robust canister... and I covered this in the video. The warning on these small gas canisters has been debunked a long time ago, but are left there by the manufacturers to continue purchasing them. Everything in life carries risks and can be dangerous, and if you are concerned about refilling these canisters with butane, then simply don't do it. Refilling these smaller canisters with butane gas.... no problems mate, people have been doing this for years and saving money. :)
@@jelreviews people have yes I've seen it all over and that is true though there isn't a way to fix them when they deteriorate, guess just buy another one but in the long run more reliable option would be one you don't have to worry about breaking down on you in less than a weeks worth of heavy use. I would say in my opinion or many other's under the pretenses of buy once cry once, would you rather buy 10 unreliable unsafe items are one or two items that are pricey but much more with the money in the long run. Still no hate or disrespect mate love your opinion on this
@@gh0stEDC As the OP requested, please be more specific as to the danger involved. Simply saying so does not make a valid argument. “Breaking down” does not qualify as being specific. Thanks!.
Just a quick question? Why freeze the canisters?? Literally you don’t have to freeze them, i fill gas bottles for a living, have done for 30 years now..
Fair enough.... I've found it simply works better and more efficiently more me, otherwise I've found with ambient temperature on the small canisters, the receiving canisters don't seem to fill to capacity.
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Q1. Can I fill propane gas into butane or isobutane canisters?
Answer. NO! DO NOT TRY TO FILL PROPANE GAS INTO BUTANE OR ISOBUTANE CANISTERS!! It's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry around.
Q2. Can I "top up" a half full gas canister, say a camping iso-butane canister that is half-full with butane gas?
Answer: There is nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister provided that it is only topped up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane for example. However, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g Jetboil camping canister for my adventures. When empty, it weighs 100g, when full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold.
Q3. If I don't freeze the "receiving canister" (host), can I still transfer gas from the donor canister to the host canister?
Answer: Yes, you can.... if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from the donor canister to the host canister effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So, the receiving canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister should be on the bottom of the donor canister.
Q4. My iso-butane canister is looking old, rusty and crappy. Can I still refill it?
Answer: Like anything in life, safety is paramount, and if you choose to use any equipment that is old, rusty and crappy, then you will wear the risk of personal injury!! It is critical to always ensure your gas canisters are in good condition. If there is any rust or damage, do not use it for gas purposes!! Discard it and get another gas canister that you have confidence in.
@jelreviews see the silver one you turn on I bhought it ,it come with the orange round thing .Do I need to buy the small valve brass to out thin bottled gas ie stuff used for heaters that you put in sideways , thnks .
Understood. What would be the maximum size doner bottle?
Here in Canada it's actually illegal to refill the "non-refillable" types, probably because most people don't understand the differences between gas, cannisters and pressure. I had a LPG (Propane) vehicle with adapters and hoses to use 20 lb (8KG) tanks in case I ran out in the woods... I also wanted to mention to you and your viewers that the smaller 1lb (400grm green ones) has legally refillable ones on Amazon. The refillable ones usually have a valve to deal with "over filling" while the green ones don't. Also I think the refillable ones are a bit sturdier on construction. My advice, but the refillable LPG tanks and a tank kit if you're going to use small ones for camping.
Hi you forgot about ullage. This is the empty space at the top of the gas. This is the weight which is slightly less than a totally full bottle. It is to allow for liquid expansion as the temperature rises. If no ullage, the liquid expands and produces enough pressure to burst the bottle. Very important, if your bottle weighs more than the original fill, let some out immediately. Can be done by connecting up and burning a flame until the weight has come down. Be warned, if refilled bottle causes fire, insurance will be voided.
@@jelreviews prout 👌😁
I don’t know how you could have produced this with all of the important information in a briefer, clearer presentation. I have probably consulted seven or eight other videos (each helpful in its own way), but none was as thorough or as clear as this. Thank you very much for the effort that went into this (the editing must have been labor-intensive); be safe, and enjoy the outdoors. Many thanks from the USA.
Thank you so much for the encouraging comment... I really appreciate it. It does take a lot of work, but I enjoy helping others when I can. Thanks for watching. :)
Few notes:
- propane, butane or their mix is always mostly liquified in the bottle unless its almost empty, you harvest the gas from layer on top of the liquid
- this is part of the reason you had trouble transferring into a bottle that was laying on its side, better setup is donor/receiver adaptors connected with a hose, that way you can keep donor bottle upside down, receiver bottle right side up and also keep it on the scale while you are filling to check that you don´t go over the proper fill weight.
pull the little relief valve out with needle nose pliers to get some air out, instead of repeated freezing. great video!
Thank you for video.
Now I know to put my ciggy lighters in freezer b4 refilling 'em. 👍
The little canisters are sort of waste but convienient.
The larger propane (swap 'n go) are probably the best for heating &/or cooking.
This was the most thorough, and understandable, video I have read on refilling canisters. I ordinarily hammock-camp in a nearby state forest (less than 20 miles away, in the USA), and I ordinarily do everything over a fire; in the summer, it keeps bugs away, in cooler weather, it produces heat (I’ve been comfortably down to 18 F in my hammock), so I ordinarily just cook on the fire. When it rains, however, and I have my hammock tarp in porch mode, I take an alcohol stove, which works fine. However, it doesn’t work very well in sub-freezing weather (it lights, but is slow to reach boiling temps). So I purchased an inexpensive butane stove (the Ozark single-burner). When I weighed it, compared to my alcohol (with fuel), it is only one ounce lighter for the 8 oz. canister, and would be LESS with a 4 oz. canister. Since I ordinarily do only a night or two, that is all I need, but now (thanks to you) I can use my larger butane canisters to re-fuel my smaller ones, and they will be as light (or lighter), and more reliable (keep them close to your back on sub-freezing hikes). This is what I will try this summer and fall, and see how it compares to the alcohol stove. You have provided VERY helpful information as I plan for the future. BTW, I am almost 70, recovered from Stage-3 colon cancer 20 years ago, and I am just grateful to still hike out in the woods and spend nights alone in the woods. Thank you very much, from state-side, as we call it here; hikers, campers, and backpackers have no countries; we all just live in the forest, when we can. THANK you very much. Be safe, and enjoy the forest.
Thanks for your comment. Glad you found it helpful. I think you'll find taking the small 4oz canisters will be a gamechanger, with the ability to be lightweight but cook your food or boil your water much more rapidly. Enjoy your hikes... :)
Here in the UK I tend to buy larger ISO Butane cans at 500g each. I then fill our small 230g or 100g cans as appropriate. Works out a little more economical to buy in bulk. The 230g ones we use for sea kayaking expeditions, they fit in the boat a bit easier; and the 100g ones for when we have to carry stuff on our backs 😎
The big ones never go anywhere near a stove. Once they are empty I puncture them and recycle.
Thanks for the info on the narrower pure butane cans. Cheaper solution so long as it’s not too cold 👍🏻 Will probably use these once I get the adapter from eBay.
Best and most comprehensive explanation of all these gas bottles / valves etc. EVAR! Thanks.
Great to hear... Thanks for the feedback 🙌
Would like a follow up please, testing the efficiency of the gases. So, a boil time test using pure the propane/ LPG, the isobutane mix, and the pure butane. Show the time, and the amount of gas used, all with the same stove.
Awesome video! Here in the US, propane is so prevalent that I switched my Iso-butane backpacking stoves to it using the adapter. I have almost completely abandoned isobutane, taking propane for car camping, white gas for backpacking.
Fair enough, I'd be doing the same if butane wasn't so cheap here.
Excellent explanation finally someone explaining what all the gases are/ used for. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Be mindful of the rust that will develop inside of steel peopane bottles, they will not last forever. Propane contains water so structural integrity will eventually be compromised by rust. That being said, I hate throwing away a perfectly good canister just because it is empty.
Best canister refilling video I have seen!
Great video, it's good to move isobutane from one canister to another if you don't want to take 2 on more partly filled cans, for weight or space reasons
Excellent presentation, concise & to the point, 10 out of 10...
I have been filling my propane torch for the last few years and it's a great idea, and saves heaps of $. Alas the new cylinder connections are becoming more common, so I'll have to get another adapter to continue in the future
Kmart doesn't sell the small butane bottles anymore. So I came across your video on how to refill them. I like the idea of re-using them since the small bottles are expensive.
Yes, I noticed. Bunnings is selling these for $4.50 a canister but I noticed their stocks are low too.
Every single hikers in my country ( Indonesia ) always refill their canister after hiking, only rich hikers buys new one after their canister empty, because Primus, MSR, Jetboil and Giga Power gas is so expensive, we use local gas to refill.
I've googled and researched far and wide, have not found more apt information as this anywhere on internet. I was always confused if the Bunnings and swap and go gas bottles at servos have the same gas as the jet boils.
Thanks for this video.
Glad I could help!
This is a brilliant video. I have searched for similar vids, but it in the end it was TH-cam analytics that brought it up for me. A great job in explaining and thank you for sharing.
Most welcome... Thanks for the feedback 👍👍
Top video.
Just FYI you can fill the Butane canister from your Propane source with the correct adaptor, BUT they won't work on the standard outdoor butane stove because the safety mechanism on the stove kicks in because propane pressure is much higher than butane and the stove will not let it work.
Thanks for the tip!
Top tip. Many thanks.
Mate, this is gold!!!
Ι am newbie and this video helped me to understand everything. Thanks! Best video
Awesome, glad it helped. Thanks for letting me know 🙌
Excellent video, I can now use the adapter I bought years ago & forgot about....thanks again
Great to hear!
Well explained. Thanks
Regards Andy from Aussie Homestead NSW Australia 🦘
Great info, a few clarifications please:
Is there such a thing as "topping up" a camping canister? In other words, what would happen if you went to refill a half empty one from a thin butane can?
Second is what happens if you don't freeze the receiving canister, is it a large difference in the mass gain?
Thanks. Re the first question, nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister, however be aware of the following: only top up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane. Also, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g camping canister for my adventures. Empty it weighs 100g, full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold.
Re the second question, if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister.
Hope all that helps :)
Great video, I learned things!
I bought one of those 'over/under' adapters, to try and collect small leftovers from almost finished containers. Thing is, the valve open both ways, so I thought it might be faulty, but there's also no indicators for in/out . I was thinking, isn't gas liquid and supposed to follow gravity downward, so I just place the donor on top and reciever on bottom, or is the pressure a factor? I'm sorry but you made the video, so be ready for questions XD
No problem at all... always happy to answer questions if I can. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Just don't overfill the canisters... use a weigh scale to double-check. Hope that helps. :)
Excellent Video mate.
Very useful information Cheers 😁
Thanks 👍
Great instructions!! Just bought the kit.
Thanks! Glad it helped. 👍
Great video. I just bought two of those valves that will suit my needs. Thank you.
Thankyou for this informative video😊 great help watching here in the phils.
genius and well presented 👍
Excellent explanation. Thank you.
Great video thank you for all the effort
Hi. Just wondering why you fit an o-ring over tip of the small adapter when refilling the Lindal type screw gas canister? This o-ring is a spare in case existing o-ring in female end of small adapter leaks.
Great vid!
Does the jet boil work exactly the same when it runs on only butane or does it lose some performance?
Thanks! In my experience, Iso-Butane will burn slightly "harder" with a Jetboil, but honestly its only negligible... maybe will boil water up about 20 seconds faster than Butane. However as I mentioned in the video, Butane gas will not perform well in cold conditions. Where I camp in Australia, Butane is generally all I use for camp stoves - no issues with performance.
Thank u, vry helpful. Wil try this soon (frm butane to can for camping), yaykz! Bit scared 😅
great video, but don't use your wrench backwards... can you send a link for the butane cartridge to isobutane canister ? the smallest one.
Cheers, all links in the description 👍
Awesome, thanks for sharing your knowledge ❤
Thanks so much for the cost break down.
You can buy the refilling adapters with a tube, it comes with a valve and a relief valve so you can refill more easily and fill more.
Hmm, not sure if I've seen that one with a tube yet. You wouldn't have a link to it I could check out?
Very nicely done video.
Thanks
Excellent video and information. Thanks.
Thanks! I'm glad you found it useful.
Hi Where can I get these adaptors in Australia, Thank. Great information.
Hi Robert, I've placed all the purchase links in the description of the video for each adapter. Thanks 👍
Hi do you know ow of an adapter for campinggaz stoves ?
They discontinued the fuel here in the US thanks
Hello, great video, just what I was looking for.
Can I use a butane gas canister on a propane camp stove ? If so, what adapter do I need to use butane bottles on propane stove?
Thanks for watching. If you mean to fill a butane canister with propane, then no.... too dangerous. Propane is not meant for the very thin-walled butane or isobutane gas canisters as it exerts a lot higher pressure.
@@jelreviewsI meant using butane gas on a stove meant for propane.
@@marcoshernandez1427 Sorry, now I get it. :) Yes you can... I'd recommend checking out this guy's video as he does exactly what you're asking: th-cam.com/video/a5I9ENOItlE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=EliteEdge%3ATech%26WellnesswithSheryl%26Linus
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. @@jelreviews
Very informative, thank you for sharing 👍
Good onya bloke, great video, thank you kindly..👍
Amazing! Thanks mate, so helpful
I mix butane and propane when I refill those things to make it work better in cold weather in USA
A canister with a designed bleeder valve will be easier to fill, and also safer to use and transport. They are also the legal option for transport, in the peculiar but not unheard of instance of a transport related explosion, as use of an unregulated container would be treated as negligence in the event of damage or injury.
If you were going to refill those throw away portable gas cylinder ,for the portable gas stove, which adapter would you use ,please show a photo
I was in Quilpie outback Queensland and a 8.5kg refill was $70
if you have the fittings you can roll up to the local servo hook up the auto gas and fill the 8.5kg if no one is looking ;)
Yeah, I remember my dad used to do that at the local servo too😅
I know you can't refill 8oz butane cans with propane because of the higher pressure, but can you combine butane from partially empty butane cans into one?
Absolutely, you can combine butane from other butane canisters into one of these Isobutane canisters I've shown in this video. Just ensure you don't add butane into a canister that already contains the Isobutane mixture... It's either one or the other. No home mixing of both. 👍👍
You are lucky that the cost of the tall butane gas canisters is so cheap! In Greece the cost of one of those canisters is around 5 Euros! They are used in the table side cookers in many restaurants, more than likely the reason for the higher cost. I do have one of the older camping stoves I bought in the states that comes from Brazil and utilizes the Camping Gaz 190gm sealed can that the stove will pierce when the base holding the gas tank is screwed tight to the stove. One does not unscrew the cylinder housing until it is totally empty. I also purchased an adapter that takes these cheap pierce once cans and converts it to a screw top style canister as allowing it to work with a smaller compact camping burners without worry of loosing gas from the cheaper piercing cans.
Oh wow... that is expensive for butane! I guess we are fortunate here in OZ for that gas. I've never had the chance to use the pierced gas canisters - they are not really sold much nor used over here. That adaptor for pierced cans sounds interesting - can't say I've seen that yet.
@Subgunman Hi. That's interesting info. Thanks. The adaptor you mention that allows piercable canister > threaded stove. Could you provide info on what to search for? The only one I could find wasn't he Kovea KA-1004 'clamp down' frame style adaptor. We can buy C206 GLS canisters for £3 from an outdoor warehouse business called 'Go Outdoors'.
Thank you ❤
Here in Bulgaria, I can fulfill almost every bottle from the big types on the gas station with LPG for 1.20 bulgarian lev which is equivlent of app 50 cents us dollars. So 3.7 kgms bottle is 2 usdollars :)
Thanks 🙏🏻 👍🏻
Greetings from the Baltics where it gets very cold. I have a mixture of all there small containers and a bag full of adapters. We are all electric so if there is an outage the little squat can with a burner comes out and heats the meal and then is weighed when it is put away. I will refill it with the tall butane cans until those cans are exhausted (I bought them at my Lidl store as they were sold as refilling units for a walkway weed burner) Hoping to see a repeat sale this Fall. Great video.
No mention on the purpose of the purge button on the side of the butterfly valve adapter?
@@streakychambers658 It can be used to let out some gas if you overfill a can and to fully empty a can before you throw it away. It is best to puncture an empty isobutane can before disposing of it.
Great video bro
I want to fill the 1 lb. green bottle with the butane can. what adapter do I need? Better yet, I can to use the butane on a bbq that uses the 1 lb. green bottle propane. is there an adpter for that? or is that a no no.
Just for info I overfilled the 100 size canister by 20 percent in order to have sufficient gas for a longer trip. It was fine until I left the canister in the sun which caused the bottom of the canister to distort. Fortunately it didn’t fracture the canister so be careful not to push your luck!
Ps I really miss Bunnings now I’m in the UK 🥲
Hi! Thank you for this video! Is there a reason why you don´t fill propane in the 100 or 230g bottles?
No probs. Yes, my understanding is that it's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry. 👍
@@jelreviews Thanks for your answer. Ah, OK, I understand. Since I mostly only do overnight tours, 30g in a 100g canister would probably be enough for me. But it's probably a stupid idea, don't you think? (At my risk, of course!) :D
@massa6784 Butane can be stored under pressure at 1.5bar at 15 degrees C, the pressure of Propane under similar conditions is 7 bar!
The tall 'beercan' Butane cylinders are thin and fragile but are normally used in static grills and bbqs, the small iso/Butane (also Butane/Propane from Campingaz) are more rugged for backpacking and climbing where they are more likely to be bashed and dropped, they don't actually need to be that thick but I've seen the beercans take some scary knocks.
Propane is 4 times the pressure of Butane, just don't go there.
May I ask how long do you usually freeze the Propane Gas and is it dangerous?
You can freeze it as long as you like - I only freeze it for around 30 minutes. No, this is not dangerous to do. These canisters are heavy duty and can withstand -30 degrees celcius easily.
Thanks for sharing
Brilliant thank you
Excellent video
Can you refill the cans you buy to refill the lighters the tall cans ??????
No, you cannot refill the 220g butane cans.
I would advice anyone doing this to check your valves and bottles/cans with a spraybottle and a Mix of water and dishsoap for leakage
Use a Mix of at least 40%soap to get nice clear bubbleing if anything is letting out Gas where it shouldnt
That is good advice 🙌
Interesting Information.
Great vid thank you!
I personally fill 2 x 9kg bottles for $20 per bottle ! Anaconda !
That's a great price... Wow. Didn't know they do that.
@ - member and seems around the place each store may slightly vary $$ - but $20-$25 covers 9kg
Why not refill the portable throw away canisters for the portable gas stove
I’m using the propane bottle, my Thermocell pads do not turn white ?
Very helpful.
Hi where do l buy the adapters from ie BCF or Bunnings ????
Hi mate... all links in the video description.
Ok
How do I find the link?
I’m a bit old and not you tube savvy 😂😂
Thanks for the reply
No problem. The video has a description area where I write a bunch of stuff about the video for the viewer. In that section is a link for each of the adaptors I show in this video - I've titled these as "Purchase Links". Each link will take you to where I purchased these. Hope that helps. :)
Nice video
Where are the links to the fittings
Check the description for all links. :)
Thanks
best vid on the tube...lol
Thanks mate.... Much appreciated 👍👍
I buy a box of 0f 7 x 4 packs of the iso butane from mitre 10 220 g for 56 dollars and refill my skrew top 230 gram canisters
In Australia, propane is a type of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), but not all LPG is propane:
Propane
A three-carbon molecule with the formula C3H8. Propane is a type of LPG, and all propane is LPG.
LPG
A flammable hydrocarbon gas that can be propane, butane, isobutane, or a mixture of these gases. LPG is also known as LP gas, BBQ gas, camping gas, or autogas.
LPG is created through oil refining and natural gas processing. It's often used as fuel for cooking, heating, and vehicles. LPG is heavier than air and has a higher specific gravity than natural gas.
LPG is supplied through gas cylinders, while natural gas is piped into homes, businesses, and industrial properties.
The density of propane gas is similar to that of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), which is made up of propane and other gases:
Propane
The density of propane gas is about half that of water, with a specific gravity of 0.51. This means that 1 kilogram of propane gas has a volume of 1.96 liters, and 1 liter of propane gas weighs 0.51 kilograms.
LPG
The density of LPG is also about half that of water, with a specific gravity of 0.51. In Australia, where LPG is primarily propane, 1 kilogram of LPG has a volume of 1.96 liters, and 1 liter of LPG weighs 0.51 kilograms.
LPG is a crude oil product that can also contain butane and isobutane. In the United States, it's common to refer to LP gas as "propane" because propane is the main component.
Thanks so much for this clear explanation. That's gold! 👍👍
Omg. Hang on! Kmart sells Jetboil equivalent ?!? I need to hunt that down !
It can be charged, but the cylinder may swell and burst in the summer heat! ️I also experimented, but the bottom expanded from concave to convex. Apparently it survived the explosion. too dangerou‼️
I don't think people really realize how dangerous this is to do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, there are many options out there that are refillable and safe. One company or such company sadly it is a overseas company but in my eyes I don't care is a company called camping Moon and I'm sure you have one or two of their adapters from the looks of your video. They have at least four different options when it comes to refillable canisters the largest option is their tc-35 but they sound like hotcakes I'm not going to lie! It took me at least a year to finally get myself one because of how fast these things sell. They're smaller ones you can find on Amazon quite easily, all you need to do is for camping Moon refillable canister. I believe they're second largest is the TC 28 is relatively small compared to their tc35 but still the weight is cut in half of course because of its size but still very worth it in my opinion
I think it would be helpful if you specify exactly what you consider so dangerous that I haven't covered in this video.
@@jelreviews exactly what I said. Reusing disposable fuel canisters. They're all built the same way, meaning they all will break down the same way and could cause significant damage or harm to you or others around you.
Yeah I disagree... these iso-butane canisters are perfectly safe for refilling with butane gas and obviously iso-butane mixtures. It's propane gas that I would not be filling these with as that is a heavier gas requiring a more robust canister... and I covered this in the video. The warning on these small gas canisters has been debunked a long time ago, but are left there by the manufacturers to continue purchasing them. Everything in life carries risks and can be dangerous, and if you are concerned about refilling these canisters with butane, then simply don't do it. Refilling these smaller canisters with butane gas.... no problems mate, people have been doing this for years and saving money. :)
@@jelreviews people have yes I've seen it all over and that is true though there isn't a way to fix them when they deteriorate, guess just buy another one but in the long run more reliable option would be one you don't have to worry about breaking down on you in less than a weeks worth of heavy use. I would say in my opinion or many other's under the pretenses of buy once cry once, would you rather buy 10 unreliable unsafe items are one or two items that are pricey but much more with the money in the long run. Still no hate or disrespect mate love your opinion on this
@@gh0stEDC As the OP requested, please be more specific as to the danger involved. Simply saying so does not make a valid argument. “Breaking down” does not qualify as being specific. Thanks!.
Just a quick question? Why freeze the canisters?? Literally you don’t have to freeze them, i fill gas bottles for a living, have done for 30 years now..
Fair enough.... I've found it simply works better and more efficiently more me, otherwise I've found with ambient temperature on the small canisters, the receiving canisters don't seem to fill to capacity.
I'm sick of wasting the last 10% butane that you can't get into a lighter
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I'm looking to know if or how to refill the large butane bottles with propane
Read my description. I wouldn't do it.
@jelreviews okay, thanks for your reply 👍
G'day mate, top vid ask any Aussie they will tell ya cobber 👍🇦🇺🦘🦘🦘