Thanks to Corey for suggesting this video. Let's surprise him with an assload of new subscribers. DO IT FOR ME PLS th-cam.com/users/coreysdatapad Also, half the thumbnail is from MTG. There are no pics of the Celestials, and the pic fits the description well. Link to the artist in the description!
I covered this subject over at the MawInstallation a while ago. www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
Girly Knight if I wanna be honest here, from the lore source I found, there were for sure good and evil droid gods in the ancient Star Wars galaxy. So if the Celestials wanted to, they could make Gonk Droid a god for droids everywhere 😂
I run a Kruphix commander deck. It’s a great ramp card advantage hybrid with x spells galore, and perhaps the very definition of a battlecruiser deck. I’ll have to call it the _Praetor Class_ from now on.
I like that idea. Reminds me of how Kirby is the "God" of Marvel, or the concept of CHIM in the Elder Scrolls. Or the Old Ones from Cabin in the Woods.
Kinda sick when you realize that Anakin could have become stronger than them all if he decided to stay on Mortis, and thus vader would have never existed and the galaxy would not go to ruin.
Josh they never even died. They were forced to leave the current galaxies alone to work with the rest of the universe since all sapient organic loss their grace eons ago. And it is possible to kill a Celestial (Typhojem and The Cult of Five did) but its impossible to destroy them...
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky the Celestials had already departed the living realm by the time The Infinite Empire started its first interstellar conquests. The Rakata waged war with the Celestials' "Firstborn" races and The Firstborns' very own genetically engineered offspring races. The Rakatan species themselves are evil mutants created from abducted Gungans on their homeworld of Lehon that were forever transformed via genetic experimentation by Cold Danda Sine (a fallen celestial child) in the depths of Otherspace; an abysmal alternate dimension. The Celestials were forbade by "The Supreme Maker" to dwell with their fallen creations after they turned away from them in favor of sin and warfare. The Rakata and other terrible races that came to inhabit the galaxy all those eons ago were usually unholy abominations made by Cold Danda Sine and released upon the normal galaxy to sow chaos and death to the Celestial crafted universe. Through the jealousy and simmering hatred of Tilotny, the curious and morally indifferent Cold Danda Sine, the apathy of Horliss-Horliss, and the naivete andintellect of Splendid Ap, the galaxy and universe would fall into disarray and eternal strife. Forever would there be war among the stars; at least unti the Greater Restoration. For tend of thousands of years if heinous and supernatural warfare would wage across the galaxy and be known collectively as The Cosmic Wars. History of this conflict and its influence across the galaxy and the greater universe would devolve into myth and legend just a few millennia after it had ended at the hand of a divinely transformed Horliss-Horliss. By the time of The First Alsakan Conflict history on The Cosmic Wars was all but lost to time so by the time of The Galactic Empire almost all knowledge of the terrible ancient conflict was gone. Only those who had the strongest of mental fortitude and went to the greatest of archaeological researching could unearth the long forgotten tales of The Cosmic Wars and what unholy dangers lurked beyond the veil of percieved reality...
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky I knew you'd start going off about this. Good; shows you have interest in the topic. Okay, if you'd be so kind as to read the entirety of this (sadly unpublished) Star Wars novel I'd be eternally grateful. Link is here -> www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm This novel details the very beginning of the Star Wars universe, its early history and nicely ties up several (but not all) loose ends that plagued Legends. If you're a lore guys then this should be a quite enjoyable read. If not and you like simpler explanations of things and events then this will be quite the complicated ride. Also a fair warning, Joe Bongiorno's writing style takes influence from H.P. Lovecraft. Lots of adjectives 😄
@@KapnKrowe Imagine a story where someone found the ships, and they were full of the descendants of the original crusaders, indoctrinated into their xenophobic ways with no hope of being reconciled.
@@robertnelson9599They weren't in one place, they were randomly scattered throughout the galaxy to prevent anyone from getting them together. Good luck finding them in the void.
Shaping galaxies "on a whim" doesn't mean instantly. And I feel like that is an important point to make. If the Celestials /are/ the Force, and we know the Force is always working on its own machinations, then it seems likely that the Celestials are only all-powerful in the grand scheme of things, but not so much in the minute-to-minute minutia of the universe.
AlindBack yeah, even in the deep lore it isn't stated that they created very thing just by thinking of it and it being there. They warped the raw cosmic material of the universe over eons until the current universe resembled their original one...
@@Audifaram All the sequel lovers see anything that would be a different sequel trilogy and go "Thank GOD we didn't have that" as if the sequels are even good
Gods of Star Wars 1# Dexter Jexter 2# Watto 3# Obi-Wan Kenobi 4# Jar Jar Binks 5# Admiral Ackbar They where here the whole time and we didn't know it. They helped all the characters through there journeys.
Did the Yuuzong Vong hav compromised immune systems due to being “caged up” on ships for thousands of years? Were they ever affected by the germs, viruses, bacteria, etc. of the Star Wars galaxy when they invaded (not counting bioweapons like the Alpha Red virus)? #askeck Video suggestion/request: X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (Legends)
Yeah, they are living things. All of their tech is living, so all of it should be dependent on some form of immune system. Their armor, at least, had an allergic reaction to Bafforr tree pollen. But, the Yuuzhan Vong quickly developed antigens for most of their most obvious ailments, the ones and there stuff that didn’t, likely died off.
One point to consider is that they scouts checking out the GFFA going back to about 4000 bby. So it’s possible that they secretly gathered samples from across the galaxy to beef up their immunities.
My gosh, the introductory to the book was one of the most interesting literary foreshadowing examples I've ever seen, using every technique and inventing a few new, good job whoever did it
I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
I would love to see a detailed account of the war of the Celestials. Where the father of light and Nakhash the father of shadows led their forces of Celestials, bedlam spirits and mortals in a essentially a galaxy wide silmarillion. Now that would be cool.
@@blackshogun272 He was in denial: he could sense himself fading from existance and was unwilling to accept that anything so "beneath" himself could cause his ultimate demise. So he called himself a God as a way to reject his own mortality even when dying.
The Ones are anthropomorphic manifestations of the Force itself. And I think that the Celestials are representative of multiple pre-historic Type 1 civilizations going back possibly billions of years.
@@thalmoragent9344 From what we know about them, they qualify for a Type III civilization. Quite literally. Not just like galactic civilizations that we see in Star Wars and Star Trek and others. But, a civilization that can basically do whatever they want, including collapsing the cores of stars from across the Galaxy, creating your own Star systems and setting up galactic barriers, and all in such a way that modern galactic civilization can only wonder about. What I’m proposing is that what they mean by Celestrials might just be refer to all pre-historical type III civilizations that not only left their tech or evidence of their tech that’s far beyond them, behind, but also that they have no knowledge of who or what they were. I mean, I know that this takes place “A Long, Long Time Ago…”. but the ingredients and conditions for life as know it just here on Earth date back at least 3.5 billion years, for the universe it dates back to about 7.5 billion years ago with a short period within the 1st one billion years after the beginning where the ambient temperature of space itself was “room temperature” and oxygen is the 3rd most abundant element in the universe and readily bonds with hydrogen. Meanwhile the oldest peoples and that know about only date back to about a million years, perhaps only a few million years in regards to ‘the Ones’. To put it another way; The history of Galactic civilization dates; 2.5*10^4 years. + 1.2*10^4 yrs for the pre-Republic, pre-Jedi era. What they know about who they call the Celestials; X*10^6 years For life in the universe; 8*10^9 years with a small chance at 13*10^9 And artificially, it’s theoretically possible to extend the years of your civilization into the future by; X*10^36 years if you are willing to live around the supermassive or ultramassive blackholes in the center of your Galaxy. With your only light source being completely artificial beyond maybe a few low mass stars that your people created since the last natural stars died out X*10^15 years after the beginning. And you could possibly extend that span to the next best thing to infinity if you are creative and willing to upload all of your people into a simulation with a crazy high time dilation. So I don’t see the problem with saying what and who they mean by ‘the Celestrials’ might be an agglomeration of all prehistoric civilizations that left advanced tech behind. And being opportunistic scavengers, it’s quite possible that the Rakata might not have invented hyperdrive as we give them credit for. It’s just that the modern hyperdrive was based off their version of the tech, since earlier FTL is possible in Star Wars and earlier people’s obviously got around the Galaxy somehow. I’ve always had a problem with how short most SciFi extends back in time. And then we get to series’ ‘Mass Effect’ where ‘the Reapers’ as we know them were created at least a billion years ago. Or like ‘the Expanse’ and we have an ancient Type III civilization on the scale like the Celestrials called ‘the Builders’ who date back at least 5 billion years and went extinct 1 or 2 billion years back.
@@eds1942 goddamn it you're right, idk how I got this wrong I read the comics last week lol. Anyway, in our terms 30+k years is a lot but in star wars idk why but it feels like not so much
Teshik's speech makes me wonder if he'd seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. 🙄
Finally got The Essential Guide to Warfare on my kindle today after watching this video again. Reading the paragraphs you quoted for myself is both awesome and chilling. Can’t wait to see what else is in here!
Supernatural Encounters explains that the Ones were Celestials which incarnated into physical forms so they could guide the galaxy, while the rest of the Celestials remained in their own realm & only left to combat the forces of Dark Illathurion due to the Galaxy’s inhabitants largely abandoning their teachings.
In my personal opinion, I’m a fan of having this lore about ancient cosmic beings in the distant past. It adds a feeling of wonder and depth to the Star Wars galaxy, the sense that not all was once as it is now. At the same time, I wouldn’t be a fan of bringing the ancient cosmic beings into the present time of the Star Wars narrative, as it loses much of the mystery these beings lend the distant past when you can suddenly perceive them for yourself.
This reminds me a lot of a quote from the game stellaris, which has a bunch of aspects of it inspired from the star wars universe. You get it in a random event during interactions with the shroud if your empire is psychic, "Suddenly, in a painful moment of clarity, the nature of our existence is laid bare. A multiverse where thousands of galaxies like our own are locked in endless cycles of conflict. It begins, it ends, and then it begins again. Each time with trillions of lives hanging in the balance. "So it is," a voice whispers, "and so it shall always be.""
I like this outlook on the Ones, The Celestials are the Cosmic Force so they take on incomprehensible forms, and The Ones are the Living Force split into the Light, Dark, and Balance seen by the living and take on the mortal bodies.
Love the fact that if I'm interested in knowing something about star wars, I can just search for it and there will be a vid about it from.some channel of many. Your most of the time the one that pops up first, so good job! Still love the vids to this day
So the Mortis Gods AREN'T the same as Celestials...I guess that's okay, I never really cared lol, but it's interesting to have the cosmic hierarchy of Celestials, Ones, Force wielders, Bendu, Abeloth, Bedlam spirits, Wozak, whatever else.
Bit of an interesting addition, Wutzek was meant to be a fallen Celestial and ended up creating the Bedlam Spirits which took the form of his negative traits. Tilotny is his vanity, Horliss-Horliss is his remoteness, Cold Danda Sine is his impatience and Splendid Ap is his apathy; apparently it got so bad that he intended to kill them which only made the situation become so much worse.
Jacen Solo Impressive my friend. I went to StarWarsTimeline.com a while back and read Supernatural Encounters and Cult Encounters and the lore/exposition dump is so massive you'll have an aneurism realizing just how much shit really happened in Star Wars Legends 😎
i saw the magic the gathering character on the thumb nail and got all sorts of excited that you were including the magic universe in an episode, but still great video as always! been watching since you started out. keep up the amazing content! i also challenge you to do a video on the magic the gathering world and compare it's power to any of the other Nerdom you want
The Force family are Celestials who gave themselves form, like the Bedlam Spirits. I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
I always thought it would be cool if someone made a vague reference to the first humans in the Star Wars galaxy coming from the Ancients home galaxy. It's possible, seeing as how both the Gree and Kwa had stargate like travel devices that supposedly (at least for the Kwa) came from Celestial knowledge
chris sonofpear1 oh my God ! Someone else has read that too !? I loved that shit bruh ! That's the lore and stories I've been searching for since the Disney Buyout. But sadly all of their stories pale in comparison to the imaginations of EU writers. Cuz from Jon's novella and article, it proves that all the ugly and good in Legends can be pieced together to make a quite interesting history and story 😎
Yes! Spoiler for the Knights of the Old Republic comics though. Demagol, a Zeltron, was at least 40s-50s with teenage-to-early-20s children of his own when he first consciously used the Force.
How powerful are Federation Phasers and Protons by the end of the Dominion war since they were updated by alot and were capable of damaging a Borg cube that had already had counter measures because of the first Borg cube that was destroyed. The 20 ships the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order used in their operation against the Dominion were able to heavily damage the crust layer of the Founders homeworld in the first vale which would of took atleast teratons of destructive output. So are we looking at the Federation's post Dominion weapons over the hundreds of teratons?
Great video!! Lets just not mention episode 7 8 or 9. I have a strong feeling that they will be removed from the Star Wars official time line in the future if not near future. Amazing work as always!!
The interpretation I like to go with is that the closest thing in the Star Wars universe to true god is the Living Force. Essentially meaning that all of life and existence is part of one divine reality. This relates pretty closely to the Hindu and some Buddhist views on the nature of the divine. And since George Lucas loosely modeled the Jedi and their teachings on this sort of eastern spirituality, it seems to make the most sense that the Force itself and therefore the universe as a whole is god.
I have been looking for that Teshik quote for _hours,_ thank you. I forgot who said it, when, the context, and pretty much every word except 'cathedrals'. Its been a long few hours. But I found out there's a Darth Vader gargoyle on a cathedral in Washington. That's cool.
Very cool, always love some good Star Wars lore. I wish they made another EGTW, it was so good, and that speech was awesome: "I saw beings by the billions undone in cruel and careless instants - by blasters and swords and teeth and fists. I saw fields and forests scoured into ash by orbital bombardments. I saw planetary cores cracked by flights of missiles." I sure do miss the Legends universe.
9:20 Its really bothering me how there's smoke in space. I can dig the gods shit but theres no excuse for smoke blowing in the wind............ In space.........
Actually, if Star Wars is canon in mtg, kruphix may know about it as he is the oldest of the gods on theros’s pantheon and has learned of other plains through hundreds of years of meeting planeswalkers visiting there’s.
The Mortis Arc was always painful to me. Doesn't make much sense and it seems they've completly missed the point of what "Balance" means.. At least what it used to mean under Lucas.
Lucas actually worked on the Mortis arc, so I don’t think it would’ve gotten made if he didn’t okay it. My personal interpretation is that “balance” merely refers to a state of peace within the force. Whether that peace is attained through there being no darkness at all, or by ensuring that darkness doesn’t overpower light, it’s still “balance.” I think this especially makes sense when you see how much dark side shit Luke does in Ep VI, like choking guards.
![Why Anakin Has Become the FINAL Mortis God In Ahsoka [Keeper of Balance] - Star Wars Theory](/img/n.gif)
Thanks to Corey for suggesting this video. Let's surprise him with an assload of new subscribers. DO IT FOR ME PLS
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Also, half the thumbnail is from MTG. There are no pics of the Celestials, and the pic fits the description well. Link to the artist in the description!
Just subbed to Corey.
PS, the video was great.
Cory does have an awesome channel, thanks for puttin me onto him awhile back
I covered this subject over at the MawInstallation a while ago. www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
The Ones are ascended Celestials who gave themselves form again after having ascended, like the Bedlam Spirits.
Do you play MTG
“Black battleships who’s spines were stacked with spiked cathedrals”
I sense the taint of chaos...
BURN IN HOLY FIRE!!!!!
One black fortress in a galaxy far, far away could do a tremendous amount of damage...
Warh ammner 40k, more spiciuficaly imperium of man
Oh shit. Call the Inquisition!
THIS HERESY SHALL BE PURGED
You forgot the Gonk droid
Ya the deity of the gonk driods
Gonk!
Girly Knight if I wanna be honest here, from the lore source I found, there were for sure good and evil droid gods in the ancient Star Wars galaxy. So if the Celestials wanted to, they could make Gonk Droid a god for droids everywhere 😂
You laugh now, but their is litteraly a religion in star wars following them
Heil the mighty gonk
One of the gods in the thumbnail is art from Magic the Gathering, me being a giant nerd was like: Star Wars? Magic? What’s happening?
Treethegreat yep, that's the name.
Eckhartsladder is a Theros fan confirmed
Well, the force is magic. Which is why star wars is a space fantasy not sci fi
I run a Kruphix commander deck. It’s a great ramp card advantage hybrid with x spells galore, and perhaps the very definition of a battlecruiser deck. I’ll have to call it the _Praetor Class_ from now on.
Where are my eldrazi titans
Could you imagine surviving after seeing the history, present state and future of the universe
its wild but you forget most of it almost immediately.
Uh yes. Leto the second from dune
Why is this comment not pinned?
Imagine the infinite nothing you would see after the universe fizzled out
@Joshua Sharwood i was given morphine as an 8 year old child nd other than not feeling pain nothng happened
TFW the Celestials are the writers, constantly pitting billions of souls in endless warfare.
So there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
I like that idea. Reminds me of how Kirby is the "God" of Marvel, or the concept of CHIM in the Elder Scrolls. Or the Old Ones from Cabin in the Woods.
Fargoth Ur The Old Ones are Lovecraft, iirc.
They’re the writers in the beginning of the movie
Wait, you mean nobody cleans those words up? They're just floating out in space where anybody can crash into them?
Kinda sick when you realize that Anakin could have become stronger than them all if he decided to stay on Mortis, and thus vader would have never existed and the galaxy would not go to ruin.
Isak Isak true
The Mortis, the Merrier. Oh well...😞
Imagine
Ascended Anakin Skywalker vs Abeloth
Of course ascended Anakin is Anakin if he stayed on Mortis
''vader would have never existed and the galaxy would not go to ruin''
vader was the chosen one and the one who killed palpatine dude
@@pauloricardo-wn6ps assuming the Jedi found out who Sidious is Mace would finish him
Last time I was this early, the Celestials weren't a dying race.
Josh they never even died. They were forced to leave the current galaxies alone to work with the rest of the universe since all sapient organic loss their grace eons ago. And it is possible to kill a Celestial (Typhojem and The Cult of Five did) but its impossible to destroy them...
I still enjoyed the joke bro
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky the Celestials had already departed the living realm by the time The Infinite Empire started its first interstellar conquests. The Rakata waged war with the Celestials' "Firstborn" races and The Firstborns' very own genetically engineered offspring races. The Rakatan species themselves are evil mutants created from abducted Gungans on their homeworld of Lehon that were forever transformed via genetic experimentation by Cold Danda Sine (a fallen celestial child) in the depths of Otherspace; an abysmal alternate dimension.
The Celestials were forbade by "The Supreme Maker" to dwell with their fallen creations after they turned away from them in favor of sin and warfare. The Rakata and other terrible races that came to inhabit the galaxy all those eons ago were usually unholy abominations made by Cold Danda Sine and released upon the normal galaxy to sow chaos and death to the Celestial crafted universe.
Through the jealousy and simmering hatred of Tilotny, the curious and morally indifferent Cold Danda Sine, the apathy of Horliss-Horliss, and the naivete andintellect of Splendid Ap, the galaxy and universe would fall into disarray and eternal strife. Forever would there be war among the stars; at least unti the Greater Restoration. For tend of thousands of years if heinous and supernatural warfare would wage across the galaxy and be known collectively as The Cosmic Wars. History of this conflict and its influence across the galaxy and the greater universe would devolve into myth and legend just a few millennia after it had ended at the hand of a divinely transformed Horliss-Horliss.
By the time of The First Alsakan Conflict history on The Cosmic Wars was all but lost to time so by the time of The Galactic Empire almost all knowledge of the terrible ancient conflict was gone. Only those who had the strongest of mental fortitude and went to the greatest of archaeological researching could unearth the long forgotten tales of The Cosmic Wars and what unholy dangers lurked beyond the veil of percieved reality...
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky I knew you'd start going off about this. Good; shows you have interest in the topic. Okay, if you'd be so kind as to read the entirety of this (sadly unpublished) Star Wars novel I'd be eternally grateful.
Link is here -> www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm
This novel details the very beginning of the Star Wars universe, its early history and nicely ties up several (but not all) loose ends that plagued Legends. If you're a lore guys then this should be a quite enjoyable read. If not and you like simpler explanations of things and events then this will be quite the complicated ride. Also a fair warning, Joe Bongiorno's writing style takes influence from H.P. Lovecraft. Lots of adjectives 😄
@@blackshogun272 And where did you get this information?
Battleships with cathedrals on em?
Warhammer crossover?
"There is no mercy for those who oppose the Imperium of Man" - some space marine, M41.
@@robertnelson9599 *Doom Slayer arrives*
Pius Dea Crusaders cathedral ships reference, most likely. After all, they never were found after their blind mass jump to hyperspace
@@KapnKrowe Imagine a story where someone found the ships, and they were full of the descendants of the original crusaders, indoctrinated into their xenophobic ways with no hope of being reconciled.
@@robertnelson9599They weren't in one place, they were randomly scattered throughout the galaxy to prevent anyone from getting them together. Good luck finding them in the void.
Shaping galaxies "on a whim" doesn't mean instantly. And I feel like that is an important point to make. If the Celestials /are/ the Force, and we know the Force is always working on its own machinations, then it seems likely that the Celestials are only all-powerful in the grand scheme of things, but not so much in the minute-to-minute minutia of the universe.
Also, it is an accelerated view of time...
AlindBack yeah, even in the deep lore it isn't stated that they created very thing just by thinking of it and it being there. They warped the raw cosmic material of the universe over eons until the current universe resembled their original one...
So the celestials are living space magic then..
@@cancelanime1507 to sum it up quickly and kinda precisely, yeah 🤣
@@cancelanime1507 you look rather alive for being a ghost
The Celestial are very similar to the Whills that George Lucas was going to introduce in his Sequel Trilogy.
Are they? Whills were microscopic
Thank god it never came to that
@@Audifaram All the sequel lovers see anything that would be a different sequel trilogy and go "Thank GOD we didn't have that" as if the sequels are even good
Unclear how it would have panned out.
Also, he kept changing what the Whills were.
@@Reimastered The Whills are way too out there for most people. They're better left out.
Where is Jar Jar. I know for a fact he's a god or celestial being of some sort
All Father Jar Jar 😁
He's the one in charge of making the Disney timeline...
#darthjarjar
@@etazeta674 Well that explains it
Grey Femling he wasn’t that bad to do that
Abeloth was crazy cool to read about in Fate of the Jedi. great series.
Gods of Star Wars
1# Dexter Jexter
2# Watto
3# Obi-Wan Kenobi
4# Jar Jar Binks
5# Admiral Ackbar
They where here the whole time and we didn't know it. They helped all the characters through there journeys.
4# Admiral Ackbar
Hmmmm 🤔
@@wyd_marco4107 5*
@@panpsalt6757my bad
@@wyd_marco4107 I SHALL NEVER FORGIVE YOU SINNER
Welllllll whaddaya know
EckhartsLadder or as the subtitles say "Our carts leather"
Joe Smeeth yeah, my subtitles were going wild...
*Soviet Theme Intensifies*
Did the Yuuzong Vong hav compromised immune systems due to being “caged up” on ships for thousands of years? Were they ever affected by the germs, viruses, bacteria, etc. of the Star Wars galaxy when they invaded (not counting bioweapons like the Alpha Red virus)? #askeck
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Considering the Vong's ships were alive and their warriors were biologically engineered, I doubt it.
Yeah, they are living things. All of their tech is living, so all of it should be dependent on some form of immune system. Their armor, at least, had an allergic reaction to Bafforr tree pollen. But, the Yuuzhan Vong quickly developed antigens for most of their most obvious ailments, the ones and there stuff that didn’t, likely died off.
One point to consider is that they scouts checking out the GFFA going back to about 4000 bby. So it’s possible that they secretly gathered samples from across the galaxy to beef up their immunities.
The Vong were from a different galaxy. They had no immune system built up to fight the viruses and diseases native to the star wars galaxy.
@@TechnoMinarchist but they were bioengineering masters so they understood the ideas and could work out how to avoid it.
My gosh, the introductory to the book was one of the most interesting literary foreshadowing examples I've ever seen, using every technique and inventing a few new, good job whoever did it
I always imagined the Star Wars gods being a combo of Halo Precursors and Marvel’s Abstracts.
Same.
They're more like Star Gates Ancients.
I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
Who is more powerful the Celestials or the Precursors?
@@PackHunter117 The Celestials literally transcended the mortal world.
Finally someone talks about celestials Best star wars youtuber ever
I would love to see a detailed account of the war of the Celestials. Where the father of light and Nakhash the father of shadows led their forces of Celestials, bedlam spirits and mortals in a essentially a galaxy wide silmarillion. Now that would be cool.
You forgot the most powerful of them all, the High Ground
Imagine jar jar on high ground
@@sohums.6107 Our power combined is too overpowered
@@parklez3250 it would be outrageous, and unfair!
@@sohums.6107 Not even abeloth is THAT evil
Abaloth is the high ground incarnate
"A God has no family." -Valkorion
PolillaBenG I love how wrong he actually is. His ego by the "end" of his life was so big it could engulf entire sectors 😂
@@blackshogun272 He was in denial: he could sense himself fading from existance and was unwilling to accept that anything so "beneath" himself could cause his ultimate demise. So he called himself a God as a way to reject his own mortality even when dying.
@@jakobrenner2230 but I'm not gonna lie, he went out like a savage and with a bang...
@@jakobrenner2230 When was he fading?
Olympus family
The Ones are anthropomorphic manifestations of the Force itself.
And I think that the Celestials are representative of multiple pre-historic Type 1 civilizations going back possibly billions of years.
Wait, the Celestials are just advanced civilizations going back in time, you think?
@@thalmoragent9344 From what we know about them, they qualify for a Type III civilization. Quite literally. Not just like galactic civilizations that we see in Star Wars and Star Trek and others. But, a civilization that can basically do whatever they want, including collapsing the cores of stars from across the Galaxy, creating your own Star systems and setting up galactic barriers, and all in such a way that modern galactic civilization can only wonder about.
What I’m proposing is that what they mean by Celestrials might just be refer to all pre-historical type III civilizations that not only left their tech or evidence of their tech that’s far beyond them, behind, but also that they have no knowledge of who or what they were.
I mean, I know that this takes place “A Long, Long Time Ago…”. but the ingredients and conditions for life as know it just here on Earth date back at least 3.5 billion years, for the universe it dates back to about 7.5 billion years ago with a short period within the 1st one billion years after the beginning where the ambient temperature of space itself was “room temperature” and oxygen is the 3rd most abundant element in the universe and readily bonds with hydrogen. Meanwhile the oldest peoples and that know about only date back to about a million years, perhaps only a few million years in regards to ‘the Ones’. To put it another way;
The history of Galactic civilization dates;
2.5*10^4 years.
+ 1.2*10^4 yrs for the pre-Republic, pre-Jedi era.
What they know about who they call the Celestials;
X*10^6 years
For life in the universe;
8*10^9 years with a small chance at
13*10^9
And artificially, it’s theoretically possible to extend the years of your civilization into the future by;
X*10^36 years if you are willing to live around the supermassive or ultramassive blackholes in the center of your Galaxy. With your only light source being completely artificial beyond maybe a few low mass stars that your people created since the last natural stars died out X*10^15 years after the beginning. And you could possibly extend that span to the next best thing to infinity if you are creative and willing to upload all of your people into a simulation with a crazy high time dilation.
So I don’t see the problem with saying what and who they mean by ‘the Celestrials’ might be an agglomeration of all prehistoric civilizations that left advanced tech behind. And being opportunistic scavengers, it’s quite possible that the Rakata might not have invented hyperdrive as we give them credit for. It’s just that the modern hyperdrive was based off their version of the tech, since earlier FTL is possible in Star Wars and earlier people’s obviously got around the Galaxy somehow.
I’ve always had a problem with how short most SciFi extends back in time. And then we get to series’ ‘Mass Effect’ where ‘the Reapers’ as we know them were created at least a billion years ago. Or like ‘the Expanse’ and we have an ancient Type III civilization on the scale like the Celestrials called ‘the Builders’ who date back at least 5 billion years and went extinct 1 or 2 billion years back.
@@eds1942exactly, the rakata were only 50k years before the movies
@@bobafett4457 ~36k to 27k. Or about the time the Force users that developed into the precursor of the Jedi Order where on Tython.
@@eds1942 goddamn it you're right, idk how I got this wrong I read the comics last week lol. Anyway, in our terms 30+k years is a lot but in star wars idk why but it feels like not so much
I'd say "Nice vid" but I haven't watched it yet.
Edit: After nearly a year of thinking. It's not half bad.
Nice vid, by the way.
I forgot why I'm here nice
So... what do ya think?
I’d say nice comment, but I didn’t read it
@@rollinthunder1000 pretty solid to be honest
Soooo does anyone else wonder how the fuzzy white ice yeti got Luke's feet to freeze into the ceiling of the cavern in Empire?
LOL #AskEck
Yeti Jizz
David Curtis disgusting...
@@blackshogun272 does wampa urine sound better?
BlackShogun 27 D I S C O S T A N G
@@neoknight9180 which one uf yuz forgot how to flush the toilet after they've had a S H E T?
Yeah don't forget the shiniest deity of them all: Goldenrod
EwoK God!! 😃😄
Imagine what reaction george lucas would have had if, while writing the script, known what the galaxy he is creating will evolve to.
The mortis arc was so epici love the visual storytelling and symbolism
Teshik's speech makes me wonder if he'd seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. 🙄
But all these memories will be lost, like nerfherders in a sarlacc...
The beings of Mortis were awesome
Had just rewatched those Clone Wars episodes, saw the thumbnail, and was so like "let us gain more understanding." 😂
They had the best arc in the whole show
I’ve always wondered about this topic, thanks eck 😄
stop being humbel eck. you are 100% the best star wars youtuber
I’d like to mention that Teneniel’s shrine built in Hapes was around a naturally occurring Force Nexus.
Finally got The Essential Guide to Warfare on my kindle today after watching this video again. Reading the paragraphs you quoted for myself is both awesome and chilling. Can’t wait to see what else is in here!
Supernatural Encounters explains that the Ones were Celestials which incarnated into physical forms so they could guide the galaxy, while the rest of the Celestials remained in their own realm & only left to combat the forces of Dark Illathurion due to the Galaxy’s inhabitants largely abandoning their teachings.
In my personal opinion, I’m a fan of having this lore about ancient cosmic beings in the distant past. It adds a feeling of wonder and depth to the Star Wars galaxy, the sense that not all was once as it is now. At the same time, I wouldn’t be a fan of bringing the ancient cosmic beings into the present time of the Star Wars narrative, as it loses much of the mystery these beings lend the distant past when you can suddenly perceive them for yourself.
Nice Kruphix for the thumbnail mtg stuff is always welcome
This reminds me a lot of a quote from the game stellaris, which has a bunch of aspects of it inspired from the star wars universe. You get it in a random event during interactions with the shroud if your empire is psychic,
"Suddenly, in a painful moment of clarity, the nature of our existence is laid bare. A multiverse where thousands of galaxies like our own are locked in endless cycles of conflict.
It begins, it ends, and then it begins again. Each time with trillions of lives hanging in the balance.
"So it is," a voice whispers, "and so it shall always be.""
I like this outlook on the Ones, The Celestials are the Cosmic Force so they take on incomprehensible forms, and The Ones are the Living Force split into the Light, Dark, and Balance seen by the living and take on the mortal bodies.
- Phenomenal piece of information!!! Awesome!!! Thank you!!!
Guess MTG's Kruphix serves as some thumbnail material for Star Wars xD
@Gabe Crandell I plan on using it next turn
No mention of Tilotny and Splendid Ap??? 😢😢😢
The description of the dude’s vision could be one used to describe a dmt trip and I’d never know
That doggo ending though
I loved being able to pull out my essential guide, find the prologue, and read along. Satisfactory...
Ive been waiting for a video like this
So the grand admiral went through the warp?
“Black battleships whose spines were stacked with spiked cathedrals”
No, that's clearly a Warhammer 40,000 reference haha
The Ones: *Exist*
The Spirits of Bedlam: I'm about to end this Trinity's whole career
Abeloth: "Hold my omnipotent tentacles"
The Spirits of Bedlam>>Abeloth
Love the fact that if I'm interested in knowing something about star wars, I can just search for it and there will be a vid about it from.some channel of many. Your most of the time the one that pops up first, so good job! Still love the vids to this day
You're in my top 3 star wars youtubers
Your my favorite channel that covers both star wars and halo
I saw Kruphix and thought this was another EDH video recommendation in my feed
Wait .. this isnt the commander's quarters
Gotta love the retro music in the background
So the Mortis Gods AREN'T the same as Celestials...I guess that's okay, I never really cared lol, but it's interesting to have the cosmic hierarchy of Celestials, Ones, Force wielders, Bendu, Abeloth, Bedlam spirits, Wozak, whatever else.
They weren't gods and the beings of Mortis were Celestials who had given themselves form.
Jacen Solo so have you learned this lore from the same source as I ?
@@blackshogun272 I detail my research here www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
Bit of an interesting addition, Wutzek was meant to be a fallen Celestial and ended up creating the Bedlam Spirits which took the form of his negative traits. Tilotny is his vanity, Horliss-Horliss is his remoteness, Cold Danda Sine is his impatience and Splendid Ap is his apathy; apparently it got so bad that he intended to kill them which only made the situation become so much worse.
Jacen Solo Impressive my friend. I went to StarWarsTimeline.com a while back and read Supernatural Encounters and Cult Encounters and the lore/exposition dump is so massive you'll have an aneurism realizing just how much shit really happened in Star Wars Legends 😎
Kruphix, God of Horizons is my favorite Star Wars god
hmm
War. War never changes.
9 seconds ago...
Last time I was this early...
Where is the cool battle scenes in the background from?
Battle of the Dreadnoughts -- A Star Wars Short Film
I'm not even a fan of science fantasy but I like your lore videos. The guy who made star wars put a lot of thought into it.
Talks about star wars and uses magic the gathering art. I have new respect for Eck now
One of my favourite videos from you in a while
Ma boi Kruphix in the thumbnail? Could it be? EckhartsLadder using a time-appropriate MTG reference to come out as an MTG player?
Huzzah!
i saw the magic the gathering character on the thumb nail and got all sorts of excited that you were including the magic universe in an episode, but still great video as always! been watching since you started out. keep up the amazing content! i also challenge you to do a video on the magic the gathering world and compare it's power to any of the other Nerdom you want
Celestials seem just a liiiiittle too Stargate Ancients, especially when the retcons made the Force Family into Celestials
The Force family are Celestials who gave themselves form, like the Bedlam Spirits. I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?
I always thought it would be cool if someone made a vague reference to the first humans in the Star Wars galaxy coming from the Ancients home galaxy. It's possible, seeing as how both the Gree and Kwa had stargate like travel devices that supposedly (at least for the Kwa) came from Celestial knowledge
Plus, did you read Supernatural Encounters, online? Starwarstimeline.com?
chris sonofpear1 oh my God ! Someone else has read that too !? I loved that shit bruh ! That's the lore and stories I've been searching for since the Disney Buyout. But sadly all of their stories pale in comparison to the imaginations of EU writers. Cuz from Jon's novella and article, it proves that all the ugly and good in Legends can be pieced together to make a quite interesting history and story 😎
DIEGhostfish yeah no kidding not to mention the marvel Race of the same name
I like in the thumbnail where on the right, that is kruphix, god of horizons, but other wise, still great video
Oh boy, the left guy on the thumbnail is Kruphix, the god of horizons from Magic the gathering
I believe the Ones are post-death Celestials, kind of like how Martians ascend after death in Stranger In a Strange Land.
0:22 What is the game ?
I always found it interesting how some character that's seen somethng so insane could remember everything with extreme detail
Has there ever been a character in Legends who didn't realize they were Force-sensitive until much later in life?
Luke Skywalker.
Yes! Spoiler for the Knights of the Old Republic comics though.
Demagol, a Zeltron, was at least 40s-50s with teenage-to-early-20s children of his own when he first consciously used the Force.
Would love to see a MOVIE explore this
I see that mtg art in the thumbnail. I see
yep, I linked it in the description. There are no pics of the celestials, and this pretty much matches their description.
Love that you used MTG art for Kruphix in your thumbnail art
Celestials: the inner machinations of my mind are an aneigma.
So... No ones is talking about the awesome 15 second long ending video. I love it.
"saw strange ships, and heard them scream and moan"
**shadow battlecrab has entered the chat**
People in the Star Wars galaxy: defeat the yuuzong van invasion*
The eldrazi: “allow us to introduce ourselves.”
How powerful are Federation Phasers and Protons by the end of the Dominion war since they were updated by alot and were capable of damaging a Borg cube that had already had counter measures because of the first Borg cube that was destroyed. The 20 ships the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order used in their operation against the Dominion were able to heavily damage the crust layer of the Founders homeworld in the first vale which would of took atleast teratons of destructive output. So are we looking at the Federation's post Dominion weapons over the hundreds of teratons?
Thor’s Hammer you are talking about Star Trek wrong fandom.
@@rhysdajani3618
Eckhartsladder did Star Trek videos before there's nothing wrong about it.
Great video!! Lets just not mention episode 7 8 or 9. I have a strong feeling that they will be removed from the Star Wars official time line in the future if not near future. Amazing work as always!!
The interpretation I like to go with is that the closest thing in the Star Wars universe to true god is the Living Force. Essentially meaning that all of life and existence is part of one divine reality. This relates pretty closely to the Hindu and some Buddhist views on the nature of the divine. And since George Lucas loosely modeled the Jedi and their teachings on this sort of eastern spirituality, it seems to make the most sense that the Force itself and therefore the universe as a whole is god.
I have been looking for that Teshik quote for _hours,_ thank you. I forgot who said it, when, the context, and pretty much every word except 'cathedrals'. Its been a long few hours. But I found out there's a Darth Vader gargoyle on a cathedral in Washington. That's cool.
And rampaging rhino.
im a simple man, i see mtg art on a non-mtg video, i watch and like
Now the question is, did Valkorion ascend to Godhood ?
I liked how Fate of the Jedi tied in with The Clone Wars with the Ones
Very cool, always love some good Star Wars lore. I wish they made another EGTW, it was so good, and that speech was awesome: "I saw beings by the billions undone in cruel and careless instants - by blasters and swords and teeth and fists. I saw fields and forests scoured into ash by orbital bombardments. I saw planetary cores cracked by flights of missiles." I sure do miss the Legends universe.
Scott Kolonko dude, the ancient wars in a Star Wars were brutal af. They make the wars fought later on look like prolonged skirmishes...
@@blackshogun272 I know that's why I am hoping the next set of movies has two equal sides going at it, engaged in epic space and land battles
You post a lot 😁🥳🤯
9:20 Its really bothering me how there's smoke in space. I can dig the gods shit but theres no excuse for smoke blowing in the wind............ In space.........
Enough debris and burned/melted particles in space could resemble smoke.
Love this stuff, thank you.
Actually, if Star Wars is canon in mtg, kruphix may know about it as he is the oldest of the gods on theros’s pantheon and has learned of other plains through hundreds of years of meeting planeswalkers visiting there’s.
As a magic the gathering player I saw the echnantment god and was like no way this is the Star Wars channel I’ve been watching
The Mortis Arc was always painful to me.
Doesn't make much sense and it seems they've completly missed the point of what "Balance" means.. At least what it used to mean under Lucas.
The Dark Side is a sickness of the Soul.
Lucas oversaw that episode. Even made adjustments.
Lucas actually worked on the Mortis arc, so I don’t think it would’ve gotten made if he didn’t okay it. My personal interpretation is that “balance” merely refers to a state of peace within the force. Whether that peace is attained through there being no darkness at all, or by ensuring that darkness doesn’t overpower light, it’s still “balance.” I think this especially makes sense when you see how much dark side shit Luke does in Ep VI, like choking guards.
I’m gonna echo what everyone else said- Lucas signed off on the Mortis arc.
His description of the vision and the parts about war reminds me about Judge Holden's(Blood Meridian) quotes about war
2:06
My man vibed too hard
*Darth Roger laughing in the backeound*
#AskEck
*Attempt 713*
Can you please get the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man versus video done soon?
Just so you know... Lately I have been scrolling to find your comment and like it.
@@panpsalt6757
Well thanks for your support.
Ayyyyy 713, whats up, Houston represent 👌🏼
I recently finished the mortis ark and I wanted to watch this to find you more but this gave all the same info I already had
I always thought Kylo Ren and Rey would become the new Son and Daughter, with Anakin assuming the position of the new Father.
Nah Disney ain't smart enough to make new ideas
Why not luke and leia
Where does the time go ?? I remember watching a bunch of your content throughout the year, still really enjoy the videos