What if the YUUZHAN VONG invaded during the CLONE WARS? | Star Wars Legend Lore
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- We break down what would've happened had the Yuuzhan Vong invaded during the Clone Wars on today's Star Wars Legends Lore video!
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Duuuuuude !!! This was one of my favs in a while. Anything with the Vong is a winner in my book.
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#AskEck
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Can you do the Forerunners vs The Warhammer 40k galaxy and all it's factions?
I believe that palpatiene would have to deal with way less rebellions in the aftermath of the wars (vong ans Clone wars ) as he would not be seen as an evil ruler but more a compitent one who did everything he could to save the galaxy (that resoulted in the death of the jedi ). also wouldnt the ARC 130 dominate the skies since it was probably better than the x-wings in a multirole Space fighter that could carry diferent bombs and probably Buzz droids
#AskEck: if you want to get into the Vong War what books and which order would you read them in?
"Never thought I'd fight side-by-side with a meatbag."
"What about side-by-side with a friend?"
"Roger roger, I could do that."
I would really love to see that.
Statement/Instruction: DIE! DIE! DIE!
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I love this
I read that in a clone and Droid voice
Imaging Anakin, Obi wan, Dooku, and Grevious leading a massive army of their best soldiers...
LITERALLY UNBEATABLE
Soldier_66 I’m imagining palpatine killing a queen or general in an epic fight
I don't have the books, are they susceptible to force lightning? If they are then Sidious and Dooku could really hurt them.
Well, the Vong worship pain and your idea goes right into "mook horror show" category of tv tropes
I'm imagining it. And I am SO aroused.
@@EchthelionII Yes, Jedi who could use Electric Judgment during the New Republic era utilized it to great effect on Vong warriors. Also, keep in mind, there are varying types of Force Lightning: it ranges from pain to paralysis to straight-up electrocution, death, even disintegration if powerful enough.
Vong could be immobilized or straight up killed by Electric Judgment, and were put through excruciating pain that they couldn't train for or develop a tolerance against, killed, or flat out obliterated by Sith Lightning.
Grievous starts collecting Amphistaffs.
Imagine the fucking biting whips 😂
Maul would also kick some ass too.
The Jedi and droids would be effective, but due to the clones having an identical genetic makeup, they would be highly susceptible to a bioweapon.
*insert the main plot of the republic commando books here.*
Phase 2 armor yes phase 1 no because phase one didn’t need external life support it was able to seal their suits
I’m the planet is in the outer portion of the galaxy the vong have been scouting for a extremely long time they probably found the planet an are aiming for it
Well the only uses of bio weapons I’ve seen in legends and canon were the virus released on the moon of Naboo where the gungans had resettled. There was also the blue moon virus.
@@Linki8uu The Kaminoan's would probably develop a Phase 3 armor that solves that weakness.
Oh, Palpatine would have had a field day with the Vong. An outside, existential threat to the galaxy is even better than what he manufactured himself.
Let the Vong run roughshod on the outer rim for a while, the jedi to get ground up in attrition, and let the people get scared enough that they'd give him all the power he ever wanted. Dooku gets to be the hero that successfully brokers an alliance between Republic and CIS, Palpatine lets loose all the crazy super weapons and endless war machine production he had to hold back before, and as soon as the beaten Jedi start to suggest that maybe genocide of the Vong is going too far, they get wiped out for being "sympathetic to the evil invaders". Boom, Galactic Empire time.
Also, Borsk Fey'lya did everything wrong.
I have 0 fucking clue about this universe or it's goverments even after all his videos covering them. But wouldn't the genocide of the jedi simply for saying "hey uh maybe we could like you know not kill off an entire species?." Go from a 0 to a imperium of man genocide cause it's just one of those Monday's be to rash and have almost no support. From anyone that didn't look like a old man that was thrown in the washer for 800+ years?. And question if you don't mind since I'm still ignorant on a lot of things related to this universe wouldn't the Jedi be able to uh shit what's it called again..... um like use that force magic stuff to sense his evil intentions?. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't Yoda or Obi wan or um shit I'm sorry but I forgot his name the one with the purple light saber that was thrown from the window if I remember correctly?. To know that he was one of those sith? Syth? I am so sorry I don't know how it's spelled please forgive my ignorance I'm just curious.
Cause I thought they noticed at some point but it was to late but wouldn't this be different a sooner rather than latter scenario if you will in comparison?.
@@dankesteevee1937 Uhhh idk if this was sarcastic(somebody on this channel not knowing Mace Windu)
But if you are serious I think the Jedi was distracted by the Clone Wars to sense the dark side.I mean they didn't sense his evil till the end of war.I'm pretty sure the Yuuzhan invasion would've made it even harder.
Hey now, to be fair to Fey'lya, in his final days he started to realize how much he screwed up and started to make the right choices. And you have to admit his final sacrifice, blowing up the Imperial Palace and taking like 50,000 enemy soldiers with him was pretty awesome.
Doesn't remotely cancel out like 3 decades of his bull shit. But at least at the end he made some good choices.
Palpatine can mask his presence. 2 the jedi built their temple on ancient sith ruins to erase their legacy with the side effect with messing with their perception. 3 he did it once he can do it again. EXCECUTE ORDER 66.
It would be cool to see how the Vong would flip out at the sight of Grievous.
Now I want Grievous slaughtering Vongs
Grevious would totally be a match for vong warriors too. He can track them and their weapons, eliminating any speed advantage, and wouldn't be overwhelmed by their attacks since he can fend them off with one limb and attack with the others. Block the spit, biting whip, etc. While still being able to attack.
It would be like watching his massacre the nightsisters......beautiful
In one word: Daaaayyuuuummnnn...
@@cc0767 ikr
This would be.... a surprise to be sure but an unwelcome one
On the other hand: Palpatine vs. Onimi FTW! Also, it would be awesome to Palpatine's Force Storm against a Vong worldship or even fleet of worldships.
They said the clone wars cartoon was gonna have a vong arc so maybe well get to see it when it comes back
isiah alcindor no they already said they scrapped it. Originally they planned 2 more seasons of clone wars including a potential vong arc. Now they’re completing 12 episodes and then it’s over...
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I'm interested in what the Seperatist Defoliator warheads would do to a Vong vessel, especially if the warhead is made available to other vehicles like bombers and capital ships.
This was my first thought as well. Those shells would annihilate the Vong.
Would be an extremly crucial weapon for the CIS to be able to win against the vong. taking down most enemy forces without hurting your main army? Hell yeah!
@@Guardias Right? In fact, knowing that Sidious knew about the Vong, and knowing he cancelled most super weapons the seps made, I wonder if he greenlit this specifically to fight them and not the Republic. Hey, Eck, what do you think about that idea? #AskEck
Honestly i'm super surprised that he let that one get through, seemed like a huge advantage for the CIS
The CIS would go crazy using defoliators, we see in clone wars that they had already sort of become a standard compliment to landing craft since there’s one readily available when Grievous exterminates the night sisters.
Theory:
The Vong were prepared to invade shortly after TPM but were given pause when their probes discovered a massive build up of clone and droid armies in a short amount of time. The Vong were debating a surprise attack when the Clone War started and it became apparent that the droids and clones were being made to fight each other, not the Vong, so the would-be invaders waited as the Clone War continued, then escalated into a full blown civil war that spanned the entirety of the known galaxy. The Vong only had to wait until their targets had weakened themselves enough to make their jobs easier, and once the supposedly weaker rebels toppled the dominant empire, the Vong finally began their invasion, expecting a weak and war-weary galaxy to crumble before them.
That's not entirely a theory. It's stated in the books that the Vong had been spying on the galaxy for decades before the invasion, and that The Empire under the leadership of Palpatine would have provided a much more formidable adversary, especially given their planet-killer superweapons that would have obliterated the Vong worldships used to traverse the galactic divide.
sir thats not a thoery please edit your comment and reply to your comment
That sounds like a politicians theory. As a true warrior would know that a civil war would actually make the galaxy MORE difficult to invade afterwards. As the survivors would come out of such a war much stronger, determined and battle hardened - with their war machines intact. A tactically savvy Commander would have invaded while both sides were at war - split and worrying about themselves - not each other. The enemy already DIVIDED themselves - they would merely need to CONQUER whatever/whomever was left.
@@marcoslaureano5562 Let's see you figure out why they didn't invade during the CW. 😛
@@marcoslaureano5562amn you really don’t understand people then. If the vong had invaded palpatine could have easily played the politics on both sides to justify a truce and alliance to repel the invaders that threaten them all. Likely the majority of the populace would instantly share this sentiment since it’s very historically common scenario. Many times in our own history for example: (Huns, avars, Magyars, mongols, and the crusades)
Guys, Jar Jar was still around and existed in this timeline, he can just hyperspace fly to vector prime (with no ship, he's that powerful) and then open his mouth wide and swallow the whole fleet and then say "yousa souls were delicious"
Yes Jar Jar would win
Darth Jarjar would kill the Yuuzang Vong just by looking at them
@@broccolinyu911they don't have the midichlorians that create the protection Force field that protects them from his deadly vision, Jar Jar created midichlorians to protect the other beings from himself
@Dylan Guevarra opponent? Nihilus would wish Jar Jar payed attention to him
Darth Jar Jar < Jedi Master Sha'a Gi < Emperor Chuck Norris
I’d like to see an alternate universe where Palpatine wasn’t a Sith Lord, and was just a smart politician, and the moment he hears about the Vong, he calls Dooku.
“Count, Chancellor Palpatine is hailing you.”
“Tell him I won’t talk to a tyrant.”
“He says he’s going to send Skywalker, the entire Jedi council, and the 501st to Serenno if you don’t pick up.”
Lol yesh
I'd love that alternate universe
@@devildevious2646 fanfiction writers to your keyboards
and u think 7 jedi and a single battalion can take out dooku and the fleet which protects the leader of the CIS?
IMO the Vong would have been slaughtered.
Grevious is basically a hard-counter to them and the vast droid armies could overwhelm them while RC Commandos could covertly strike.
It ALSO would have united the galaxy against a common enemy and could have effectively curbed the clone wars.
Not necessarily; they have lightsaber resistant armor. Otherwise yes, Greivous would give them a bad day.
No, just no.
The Yuuzhan Vong would overwhelm the Republic in a few weeks and the Cis wouldn't be a big threat.
SnappyCenter7 was it ever identified if mini guns, missiles, and rail guns could turn Vong to paste ? Cuz that'd be an enjoyable sight to see as they claim even the Jedi laser swords can't harm them 😂😂😂
@@blackshogun272 I'm pretty confident that if a lightsaber, which can cut through blast doors, doesnt kill them then a minigun, which does not cut through blast doors, would not.
The Governor you realize that the CIS had nukes right? Those things would destroy the Vong
Now imagine if they invaded during the Disney time line.
The galaxy is fucked
Would've made the trilogy better
Wouldn't even be a fight, just an invasion
Around the time of Episode 7-perhaps the Vong would lose? We haven't seen much of Disney-era New Republic (except for some troops and security droids in The Mandalorian), but if the First Order and New Republic (PRE Starkiller massacre, obviously) worked together, perhaps they could have repelled the Vong.
An invasion during Episode 8? Yyyyyyyyeeeeah probably not. There was no Republic, barely any Resistance and the First Order was generally the sole force in the Galaxy (and let's face it, they were pretty incompetent overall). Even with Snoke, Ren and their legions of brainwashed troopers, the Vong would win eventually.
I don't even need to discuss an Episode 9 invasion. Pretty much no Jedi, basically no Resistance, no First OR Final Orders-the Galaxy is the weakest it's been in almost a century. Not much to discuss-the Vong could have practically waltzed into the Senate without any trouble.
Naw Rey would solo all of them if Disney was writing the story
They would have lost, Obi had the higher ground
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That Channel what’s so gross about race mixing? love is love.
@@thatchannel195 I dont really understand what you mean by that, can you elaborate?
@@thatchannel195 stop being an animal. If neanderthals can mix with humans why can't other humans mix when our DNA is 99.5% similar?
You, the lore master, and Star Wars reading club are the most underrated Star Wars channels
I think ech hearts is becoming more of a general sci-fi Channel, but yeah you are right.
@@marrqi7wini54 There is definitely a more general sci-fi feel, but I also think that there is still an apparent focus on star wars.
I agree. I cannot stand the SW TH-cam elite.
I like how you use "Underrated" in place of "Amazing"
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I don't disagree with you. I do know that star wars is his primary focus and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that eventually he can no longer be considered solely a star wars channel like The Lore Master (Who I believe has a separate channel for Marvel and DC now.) and Star Wars Reading Club.
In KOTOR, Canderous Ordo mentions a star fighter that appeared to be an asteroid which I interpreted to be a coral skipper
Too bad we never got much more about that in the game
Also
There was an unmade episode of Clone Wars that featured them
Which is canon to Legends
James Burgess Revan was also supposed to show up at one point too.
I reached that part in the game like three days ago, and I was so excited.
If Palpatine used the situation well enough, then at the end of the war, if successful, then he, and with it, the Sith could be seen as heroes. Imagine what he could do then. He could engineer the fall of the Jedi through making it seem like they made the invasion happen.
In that scenario order 66 wouldn't be neeeded. Yuzang would trie to do Jedi purge and with only a few Jedi left that would probably seek revenge for their brothers and sisters. Palpatine would be more powerful and rebelion might not happen in that universe.
An unshackled CIS would crush them.
A unshackled Republic would probably be closer to the current war but with a bigger death count for clones unless the Vong wipes out their clone facility (Really dumb of the Republic to not plan for a back up if their *1* planet gets wiped out leaving them without a fighting force)
#AskEck What if the Jedi didn’t get involved in the Clone Wars?
Then the Separatists would have won, mostly because Palpatine would have used them to hunt down the Jedi.
Going by Canon: Separatists ultimately win the war and Palpatine annexes both the CIS and Republic into the Empire via a peace treaty with Dooku. Jedi go into hiding, and conspire with Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and maybe Padme if she's alive to assist the Rebellion against the Empire. Galactic Civil War is more intense with thousands of Jedi assisting rebel cells against the armies of the Empire.
By Legends: We see a scenario similar to the old Mandalorian Wars play out. Some of the more radical militarized Jedi (Rahm Kota, for instance) decides to join the Republic's war-effort with possibly hundreds following in their stead. Possibly could lead to a Schism in the Order as they see their brethren fight and die on battlefronts across the galaxy. From there, plays out similar to the Canon scenario only here the Empire has an Army of Dark Side Acolytes in the next Civil War since one of Dooku's ideas was to establish the "Fist of the Empire", basically taking human and near-human Force-sensitives and training them in the Dark Side.
Robert Nelson The Separatists still wouldn’t have won. It wasn’t a real war. Palestine never had the intention of anything other than the Republic winning and converting to the Empire. Palpatine would have found another reason to start the purge which likely would have turned into a war itself.
That would mean the first Battle of geonosis wouldn't have happened
Jimmy Gee I really wanted to make a Palestine joke here but nah. If not for the illegal and unethical behavior of the Jedi at the start of the war then it wouldn’t have started. At least not because of that, the separatist movement was becoming more and more disenfranchised with the Republic that combined with the numerous smaller factions looking to get even with rivals and this war would have occurred either way.
Imagine the Vong seeing Grevious I can see him going after Amphi staffs as much as he does Lightsabers.
A cool thought i had when i heard of the Vong was what if with Palpatine being aware of the Vong threat was using the clone wars as a three point plan, destroy the jedi, gain power over the galaxy but also figure which army would be the best to counter Droids on mass or Clones on mass and use the winner to destroy the threat
In other words, the Chinese Civil War in space.
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Which civil war?
@@bladedninja8853 the one between 1927 and 1949
@@bladedninja8853 good one 🤣
On an unrelated note, we were *this* to having the Yuuzhan Vong in the Clone Wars TV show. *THIS* close! :(
How so
Unlikely. Lucas had very clear ideas of post-RotJ stories and they had nothing in common with EU. He had the final say in Clone Wars, so no Yuuzhan Vong as much no Revan's Force Ghost. He basically concidered EU fan-fiction.
Thinnawi03 Apparently, Dave Filoni had planned to involve the Yuuzhan Vong in the later seasons before the show was cancelled in 2014. Had that actually happened, they would have at least made it into the canon universe.
Captain Cutter better off without them
Captain Cutter how close?
Grievous and Obi Wan would have been fighting side by side.
Cyrus Rogers I'd love to see them say:
Grievous: "General Kenobi ?"
Obi-Wan: "Hello There !"
*Hundreds of Vong start rushing them*
Both of them: "May the Force Be With Us !" and charge deadass into the warriors and start pulling a 300 on all of them 😎😎😎
Then the clone bois and Clankers would unite
DAMN IT I MEAN C-WORD
MORE BACTA
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At least your not killing clone bois
I'm not addicted!
@@grimmech4268 clone bois !!
That actually reminds me of this one time when my Dad and I had an idea for an episode of Star Wars The Clone Wars. The plot was about both the Republic and Separatists both encountering a squadron of Yuuzhan Vong. In the end one of the Clones would say: “Well at least they’re aren’t any more of those guys.” Unfortunately we found out the series got cancelled, so the project idea was scrapped.
We are also forgetting maul was still about, and had history with the vong after he fought and killed one fist to fist depending on the time of the attack maul would have either the night sisters and there magick (granted wouldn't be to effective) or better off the mandalorians
I liked it. Especially your thoughts on Palpatine. The only thing I would have mentioned more is the Clone Troopers. They wouldn't have the same psychological effect on the Vong as droids, but they're more adaptable and extremely proficient in all areas of warfare (which would help even out the naval playing field).
it's an interesting match, but at that point, the republic had victories, mark 1 imperial star destroyer's, and the Mandator 1 and 2 dreadnaughts, and very powerful starfighter's, and the CIS being as flexible and creative as they are able to create a lot of ship's that fit the missing link the Republic needs
the Jedi were more organized and greater in number in this time and would prove to be difficult for them
palpatine would know they are a threat as he knows about them so he would have united the galaxy to fight the Vong, however, whatever happens after is a mystery
with this said, what happens, despite the technology being lower grade compared to the new republic, would probably be beaten with far less casualties when compared to the new republic
I think having a ruler who is aware of the Vong's existance is a massive advantage that just didn't exist in the New Republic era. Even if Palpatine sacrifices people and planets for his own advantage he would still have a plan. He could use the CIS to manufacture super weapons and then have the republic take control of them.
You should realize this would have other massive impacts on this universe too, first of all, Anakin and Padmes children would be born while Anakin hasn't fallen to the dark side, because order 66 likely would not be done until far later. This basically means anakin likely never falls to the dark side, and while Palpatine could find other options, Anakin on his own may be enough to change the outcome of Palpatines attempt to call out a false coupe, especially because this Anakin would easily be allowed to stay on the Jedi council, as children and love has been permitted before, and likely would be for the greatest war hero of the Jedi order. He would even eventually be labeled a Jedi Master, after an even more extended conflict, but as his children being born completely fine occurred, he likely would be less desperate for the position. This would also mean he may depend less on Palpatine as a coping mechanism, and be more content with the Jedi order, and the famed war hero Anakin Skywalker saying a Jedi coupe was falsified, many would listen. This is if Palpatine isn't killed in the original arrest attempt, which would likely happen eventually. At this point, the Jedi order in general would likely be more powerful, and we may even see an arrest attempt with Yoda there originally. Simply adding a content Anakin in the first place would likely spell death for the dark lord, but imagine the entire Jedi council at once, and I think Palpatine doesn't stand a chance. A conflict with the Vong may actually cause the galaxy to be better off in the long run, though even after Palpatine, there would likely still be much conflict.
The "x factor" of all of this would likely be whether the extra time allows the Jedi to discover Sidious's identity. If I'm remembering correctly, the Jedi were already starting to get suspicious of "Republic Leadership", and especially if Nom Arnor(?) is found, be able to justify, at least after the fact, an investigation which might ID Palpatine as Sidious.
Nom Anor would definitely take advantage of the secret war between the Jedi and the Sith and leak knowledge of Sidious to the Jedi. The main question is whether or not he'd be able to figure out that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person.
Would it matter? By that point, Palpatine already had full control of the Republic. He could just execute Order 66 anyway. This might lead to a temporary paralyzation of the Republic command structure, one that he's sure to exploit. I'm no sure if Anakin would've been turned though, but either way I don't see the senate taking the side of the Jedi who were attempting to throw a coup in the midst of an intergalactic invasion.
i didnt even know i wanted this question answered so badly, well done man! :D
Whenever someone says “yuuzhan vong” in a Star Wars video I hear “U’s on vong”. Then I imagine a planet named vong where this species named the U’s live lol
and I think 'ah this is when the Star Wars books went to 💩'
in legends palpatine was initially preparing for the yuuzhan vong invasion hence the death star & uniting of the galaxy
Yeah Death Stars vs the Vong was always a dream scenario for me so the higher ups in the empire could truly be mind-blown by Palpatine and how far ahead he plans things.
From my understanding of the extended universe it seems that Palpatine was creating his super weapons with the intent to kill the Vong. A death star makes a whole lot more sense when you have all those worldships incoming.
"Never thought I'd fight side-by-side with a clanker"
"Roger Roger, How about side-by-side with a friend?"
"Yeah, I could do that"
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@@thomasvale2110 yeah
Something to think about - The Vong ships, while reasonably powerful ship per ship (especially the coralskippers), use only single-point singularities as defense and propulsion. They are very vulnerable to scattered fire (the sputter trigger later for fighters). So swarming them at 30-50:1 with vulture droids, tridroids and hyenas I think would do a *LOT* to equalize the effect of less powerful capital ships. Especially when you factor in oddities like the Defoliator being deployed in large numbers, which should be *devastatingly* effective against Vong biots. And as you mentioned, the CIS especially can *afford* to lose droids at a 50:1 rate, and just grind the Vong down to nothing. They don't have cloning tech to rapidly replace losses!
Clone Army would win, that’s just my opinion
Nahhhh there wasn't enough clones.
@@kozaamovies1779 I'd send in as many Droids as possible just to piss off the Vong.
@@kozaamovies1779 There are droid cannon fodder
THAT'S A FACT
@@soldier_6641 especially with all the fodder B1s
The Clone Wars Era is my favorite Star Wars Era. I grew up with it and I wish there was more Clone Wars stuff still coming out. The politics and galactic conflict always interested me.
Now this is spicyy 😯😈 buckle in boys it's THEORY TIIIIIIME
But that's just a theory, a film theory
Ratbat 1986
What no Game Theory love?
@@kevinaustin51 same guy.
Ive honestly been waiting until someone did a video on this, I loved it
Y'all know how the cis made that canon that only killed biological life, slap that boi on a capital ship and you could cripple a yuzhong vong fleet.
Not a fan of palpatine well guess you could say I hate the scum but with palps being in control of both the republic and cis I think the vong would of been in for hell of a surprise. If you’re basing it off of legends then palpatine literally has millions of clone troopers not to mentions millions on millions of droids. I truly believe that if the cis army combined with millions of jango fett clone troopers would give the vong a run for they’re money.
Milions of droids? You mean more like miliards on miliards
@@wilkor-lc7ox think about the fact that on the first couple of Worlds the yuuzhan vong would invade the literally have to take on hundreds potentially thousands of Jedi probably Dooku and Ventress probably most of the entire Jedi Council would be there the majority of the Republic and CIS Army along with all of the secret projects superweapons the most powerful fleets ridiculous numbers of defoliator cannons most of the Ark and null clone troopers and Millions upon millions of droids & clone troopers just picture most of the Jedi Order mainly Obi-Wan Kenobi Anakin Ahsoka and throw in General Grievous Count Dooku Ventress the yuuzhan vong would get massacred
@@k.strong4712 i dont mean that Vongs would win and more droids would be needed, i am just saying that there where most likely not millons of Cis droids durning clone wars, but miliards of them deployed and used
@@wilkor-lc7ox what's a Millard
And I didn't think you were saying the yuuzhan vong would win I'm just saying if Palpatine simply wanted to destroy them and not use them for his own purposes the yuuzhan vong would be stopped before they could even get a single planet the grow new ships in Weaponry on I'm just saying if Palpatine didn't play this the yuuzhan vong would get their butts kicked
Imagine this:
A battlefield filled with driods and clones fighting together and after a intense-none-stopping battle and chaos they managed to kill all the Vong. Shouts of victory came along but then… an awkward silence came, they all stared to one and another… and then mayhem started all over again.
Later down the line it would be amazing to see Disney to make a movie like this... almost like an alternate timeline movie. It was be awesome to see Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, Dooku, Grevious, Ashoka, Ventress, or maybe even Maul all fight on the same side... along with both of their armies.
I could also see the development of heavy orbital weapons (Halo ODP style), capable of causing heavy damage to the heavier vong warships, these would be cheaper and vastly faster to produce than any dreadnought, these orbital weapons would be placed at key hyper space routes with warships providing sustained fire power, they may have less dreadnoughts and less ships overall but a galaxies worth of resources would allow for planets to become veritable fortresses, even with limited interdiction technology.
I remember in the Legends verse during the Yuuzhan Vong War there was the Orange Panthacs a platoon of B2 super battle droids were essential for beating back Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Mantessa. The Yuuzhan Vong force which included Fire Breathers which were massive biological flame-throwing walker tanks that were capable of withstand anything short of a Turbolaser.
I think realistically the CIS and the republic would sign a temporary truce as even Palpatine would be unsure of how to deal with a colossal threat like the Vong
D Yup. Seems to me it’d bear some resemblance to the Chinese Civil War.
i think that as soon as realized how nuts the Vong went when they saw droids, Palpatine would occasionally allow them to discover the location of one of the CIS's main factories. the Vong rush in, blood drunk and uncoordinated, and Palpatine would send in the Jedi with just enough clones to make sure they won, but with heavy Jedi casualties. rinse and repeat every few months until both the Vong and the CIS are crippled, destroy the leadership of both, execute Order 66, and voila! on interstellar Empire, hold the onions
The Republic and the Separatists would Set aside there Differences, and Kick. Ass. Palpatine, Obi Wan, Anakin, Ashoka, Dooku, Grevious, Maybe Maul, Mandalorions, and the Finest Warriors and Troops In the Galaxy.
Commander Bly CC-5052
Why do clones age like a fly?
What about Bounty Hunters? Cad Bane, Bossk, Boba Fett (Jango if alive), Dengar, Aurra Sing, Zam Wessel, Embo...
@Just call me Sir Great Question. I Feel Like The Republic And Separatists Would Probably Pay Bounty Hunters To Fight With Them.
Vong would stomp a Clone Wars era galaxy simply because Clone wars ships suck compared to Empire/ post Empire fleets.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 fleets don't matter if you can't beat billions of droids
Good analysis. Besides technology being significantly less advanced back then, I also think it ultimately comes down to palpatine's ability to just unite the CIS and the republic as soon as the Vong arrive. If he could do that, they could consolidate their forces and immediately begin working on machines that would more effectively combat the Vong. Something not mentioned here is the the fact that the jedi can basically see the future, the reason they don't do this very well in the prequels is because the entire time they were, palpatine was stiffling them all. Hypothetically if it ever got to a point where palpatine thought that the Vong were actually going to be able to take control over the entire galaxy, I'm sure he would have let go of that hold over the remaining jedi, allowing for a more sure victory. But then again, we have seen proof that palpatine's only real goal was for him to be in control of the galaxy, maybe if revealing himself became the only other option, he'd just choose risking death just so he doesn't get arrested by the jedi and risk losing his seat of power. Hard to say.
This was a really interesting video, and espeically interesting if both the Republic and Separatists would join forces against the Vong, I would really like to see how the cooperation of the two factions would play out
It would’ve been amazing if the sequel trilogy had been about the Vong trying to conquer the galaxy
The Vong series and Jacen's arc in particular is one of my favourite storylines especially how it feeds into another favourite Abeloth's story. I think the Vong would win with there Grav and Bio Tech even with Sekot backing the GA.. 😎
Like any threat, an invasion by the Yuuzhang Vong would’ve seen a United galaxy pretty fast. Palpatine does indeed control both sides, but I think the Seperatist Parliament and military leaders would’ve fought to unite and fight off the invaders. It’s an all hands on deck scenario - Palpatine would’ve started speeding up troop manufacturing on both sides, immense efforts would be put into building capital ships, and even a third army might’ve been raised of both humans and aliens rather than clones and droids. In times of desperation, a lot of work can be done.
It doesn’t really go any further than that, fear would force everybody to devote 100% to the war effort. Though at a disadvantage due to the time period a lot of skilled warriors such as Grevious, Windu, Dooku, and the entire Jedi Order was around. Not to mention the forces of other worlds like the Death Watch.
5:45 I would not say they had worse fighters. The ARC and Tri Fighter were great ships, even by New Republic standards. The Vulture Droid could also be seen as a very good fighter since it can pull off more advanced maneuvers than regular fighters and can also be used as a walker.
Man I would love to sit in on a round table discussion with the guy(s) from Eckhart's Ladder,, Geetsley, Stupendous Wave and Allen of Generation Tech. That would be so fun, play some Star Wars trivial pursuit or something.
I'm just imagining Grevious fighting several Vong warriors, fighting a couple of then with lightsabers while killing another couple by just crushing their windpipes with the unholy amount of raw power and physical strength in his various arms. I also just think it's funny that if the Empire had still been in charge when the Vong showed up and were at significant strength, they likely would have crushed the Vong in short order after they actually reached the galaxy.
#AskEck Why didn;t a more well armed sucessor to the venator ever occur?
Because the Victory/Imperator(Imperial 1) destroyers where built along with a change in doctrine.
Secutor
The imperial star destroyers were a better version. They held less transport vessels but they could still deploy a couple dozen ties in under a minute and could fully deploy in a couple of hours. + there wouldn't be a need for an army transporter after the end of the war
Demo_the _man I’m not saying for the empire I am saying General
Si Mon the secutor wasn’t really as much as a carrier the Venator
Wouldn’t the clones also take an important role in the war as the effective troopers they are?
I think you might have underplayed the capabilities of a combined fleet between CIS and GAR. From the smallest fighters to the largest capital ships, almost everything in the GAR was well suited to multi-role capabilities. The venator, with a massive fighter wing, combined with the providence class destroyers would have meant deploying large numbers of fighters. Not to mention that their smaller size meant being able to provide more ships in battle. If Palpatine were to manipulate both factions to further his purposes, he'd probably combine both factions into unified fleets/armies, using the CIS to generate massive numbers of "disposable" fleets and armies, and thus keep their numbers reasonably thin with heavy losses, to supplement the GAR's strength of versatility. Either way, I don't think the Vong would succeed. The GAR wouldn't be taxed so heavily with war losses, and Palpatine would ultimately use the Vong to unify the entire galaxy under his control, reabsorb the CIS with underhanded diplomacy, and ultimately condemn the jedi as Vong conspirators, what jedi remaining being branded by their natural desire for peace as trying to bring the fall of the republic from the inside. I like your opinion, and even if I differ in the method and reference points, ultimately I agree with your outcome.
What if Palpatine united the Galaxy instead of conquering it then raised a galactic military of clones, enlisted, Jedi and droids to stop them initially?
And then we could have an incredibly powerful mega faction
They'd still have lost because of a lack of capital ship advancement.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 even if they don't have good capital ships, if the Vong aren't able to take planets, then they can't replace their losses.
If a naval invasion cannot secure a port to regain supplies and recoup their losses, it's doomed.
Can we get universe versus again? both large and small scale, i miss them,
Thanks
🤔🤔 what about the Vong going up against the old republic, Revans era and such. I'm not keen on lore but kotor and SwtOR is non canon.
Brite Bomber I feel the technology would just be WAY outmatched
I kinda wrote something like that as base of an RP story. Republic and Empire would be outmatched, but the dozens of superweapons SWTor introduced would help if could be deployed imo.
I placed Isotope-5 and other radiation-based weapons as main counter against liveships. Not sure if it could work, but seemed like a good idea that those would be effective against living matter. Much more so than energy weapons.
Grivehn well I guess we gonna have to release the World Razer 😂😂😂
Sith
This didnt age well
The way this is done as a somewhat calculated "what-if" almost sounds like something that would be done as a collab with Pente Patrol Star Wars, and the idea of how well this could shift things also makes it seem like there's enough of a link with the canon universe that it implies Palpatine had known before creating the Clone Wars that there would be a need for a full-fledged armada
OOF. How have I not seen this video of yours until now??? 😭 Just started it. Excited to see it through! 😄
Luke Skywalker: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." In this statement Luke perfectly sums up the reasons why Palpatine would lose to the Vong no matter when it happened, Palpatine didn't fear the Vong oh he was concerned for sure but his ego and gambling habit (just with power and lives not money) blinded him to the true danger, remember that's part of the reason Thrawn made the empire of the hand to make a version of the empire without the Emperor's god complex and Tarkin's shortsighted doctrine of fear, if the Vong invaded Palpatine would try to manipulate the war but without direct control over the Vong and lacking Thrawn's ability to predict their actions the war would eventually spiral out of control Most likely ending Mutually Assured Destruction.
Man Star Wars could really shine with a What If - like series
Obi and Grievous fighting back to back as the vong surround them on all sides.
Hmm... What would do better? The current canon characters or legends? I mean probs legends
Legends by far
Legends stomp everything.
@@yungpo9853 at least you are civil about it. Way too many on both sides are... Less than civil
@@blackbird7781 LOL.
@@yungpo9853 hahahaha. Yeah. But yeah. Legends on a power scale trumps disney canon by a wide margin.
Yuzzhan Vong’s worst nightmare: the defoliator cannon. With that weapon the CIS will be able to control the battlefield on the ground.
Damn this would have been really interesting. Palpatine's plan could even work better than before. By the end there'd be less Jedi, but plenty of clones and droids who he could just order to kill them all. Droids wouldn't even need an Order 66. Dooku (if still alive) could just order them to attack again.
Also, even if Palpatine was discovered to be a Sith during the war, not a lot would be done about it, no matter how much the Jedi tried. He was still the legal Chancellor, and the revelation that Palpatine could use the Force like a Jedi would barely phase most people. Palpatine could even just pull some bullshit out of his ass, saying he hid his abilities for fear the Jedi would try to conscript him when he was young. And even if people knew he started the Clone Wars, he was still a strong leader and it would be easy to manipulate the Senate into postponing his trial until the Yuuzhan Vong were defeated.
I feel like Anakin especially would be influential here. The Jedi Council would be adamant about apprahending Sidious. Anakin would point out that disrupting leadership in such a desperate war would ensure they'd lose. Knowing the brutality of the Yuuzhan Vong, Anakin would believe the Jedi to be so blinded by tradition that they would get them all killed, or likely worse. They might expel him from the order for protecting a Sith (the fricken Dark Lord of the Sith at that), which would lead him right into Sidious' arms. Darth Sidious would get his apprentice after all, and Anakin would still legally be a general in the grand army of the Republic. The Jedi would be forced into working with him. They'd likely face two options, either leave Sidious be, or the Jedi Council would have its authority revoked, and the Jedi generals would legally report to the Senate for the duration of the war. The whole situation would reverse, and Anakin would likely be the liason, now in command of all the Jedi generals. So the Council would have to back down to avoid this. And can you imagine the humilation? The Jedi literally taking orders from the Dark Lord of the Sith.
Hey Eck, thanks for doing these videos about the SW universe. I've been subbed for a little while now and I'm really enjoying them. They are a goldmine of interesting entertainment for a casual SW nerd like myself.
So I have a question. In other vids you've mentioned that there exists an energy barrier of some kind, origin unknown, surrounding the SW galaxy that prevents ships from exiting. Is this a one way barrier only preventing egress? If not, then how did the Yuuzahn Vong penetrate the barrier surrounding the galaxy? Just curious........and thank you again for the time and effort you put into this channel.
They passed through an area known as vector prime where the barrier did not seem to be present.
I've covered it in a video before - would link but am on mobile. Search hyperspace barrier star wars eckhartsladder
@@EckhartsLadder Thanks. I'll check that video out.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (470th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
Replicators would crush the galaxy in a few weeks, however I'd like to see how the jedi would hold up against them. Honestly I want to see this video too!
Are you talking about food replicators from Star Trek? You will have to be more specific in order for him to choose your video idea.
@@CaptainM792 I'm pretty sure they mean the replicators from Stargate
Glad that my comment was recognized so many videos before😂😂😂😂
Anytime I hear “stymied” I think to ASoIaF when Qyburn is treating Jaimes wound. “ I need to stymy the corruption”
It does mean we wouldn't get this great quote when Wedge authorizes the use of Imperial style tactics.
"We're going to give the Vong an enemy they've never had the displeasure of fighting before: we're going to give them the Empire."
"They're not going to like the Empire, sir."
Warhammer 40k battle breakdown, Fall of Cadia
Do you assume the world ever fall ?
@@bonomael7902 CADIA STANDS!
Solid analysis. I agree.
This could be an really interesting clone wars episode...
it almost happen but never happen in the end
Monsters compare
Godzilla
Kong
Scp 682
Dune Worm
Godzilla Boi 682 wins every time ya gonna have to get a better roster
682 is pretty much unkillable
3C2EEE1 682 takes god level entities to kill, like for example the God Emperor of Mankind from 40k.
@@redenginner EEEYYYYYY! I love 40K.
Maybe 682 could be killed by 001
#AskEck would the Star Wars galaxy be different if the galaxy's weapons were all as powerful as their maximum ever appeared in the lore? (Like how a venator's main cannons could supposedly have a range of 10 light minutes)
I think the CIS could do significant damage to the Vong, unless it was a war on two fronts for the CIS. Dooku wasn't covered that much in this video, and I doubt the Trade Federation, Banking Clan or Techno Union would hold powerful droid armies in reserve, even if commanded to do so by Dooku or Sidious.
I think that the war would have played out similarly where the Vong beat most of the galaxy into submission but the Jedi would find a way to defeat them. It would be very interesting to see if Vergere was able to make Anakin her Sith apprentice and take down Sidious. A very different Empire could have come from that story.
You know what the vong needs? Some inquisitions and a spice of exterminatus. The emperor protects
Most ambitious crossover event in history.
Can Abeloth be killed by the Mnggal Mnggal #AskEck
I think she’s too powerful to let it get too close to her.
@@trevor4950 so do you think she would just completely burn it all away
It definitely would be a great war, it would also be interesting to see how Palpatine would somehow kill the Jedi off to claim the Emperor position after or while in the war.
I think you are right, and to add to your point:
It’s very likely this would be the ideal circumstance for palpatine. An entire area of the outer rim was conquered and battered, leaving them most likely extremely willing to except imperial protection. Anti-alien laws and regulations would probably be easier to implement. And seeing as the republic was unable to swiftly defend against external threats to the galaxy, which were proven to be very real, he could easily militarize the whole galaxy even faster and more effectively than in the true timeline. And he still has order 66 up his sleeve. Perhaps this was even when he was hoping for the attack to come.
#AskEck
Can you talk about our lord and savior: The Halo Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser/Battlecruiser?
I love (no homo) for bringing this up
@@elterga6224 me too (no homo)
Grievous : this is where the force begins
An alliance between the GAR and the CIS would be an interesting sight to see. Clones, Droids, Jedi and Sith all working together against Vong. Palpatine might have to wait a lot longer to bring about the Empire but the Vong would have a disadvantage against the Jedi and Sith like Dooku and Maul.
Delta deploying with a force of Magna Guard would be a potent anti Vong force
Would have been a sight to behold of Windu carving through the Vong in battle.
#askeck
Reapers vs. Vong who wins?
The Vong would Stomp the Reapers
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Explain please.
@@yungpo9853 the tech level in star wars is astronomically higher then in Mass effect. mass effect "Dreadnought" are small for Vong cruisers. Then the defensive systems in ME are extremely weak and the Reapers have no way of actually hurting any Vong ships as they primarily rely on a single plasma beam weapon to inflict damage which dovin basals can easily deal with. Then the Vong can rapidly replenish the numbers of their fleet while the Reapers can't. Vong far superior Hyperdrives also allow them to chose when and where to fight. They could also destroy any and all Mass effect relays the Reapers utilize for travel.
The Reapers are just outmatched here
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Reapers aren't ISDs. They're far smaller and more maneuverable (especially via the use of ME fields) and Yuuzhan Vong ships don't use guided projectiles. Dovin Basals will be ineffective since Eezo can counter it's effects. Not only that, ISD defenses were geared toward defending against energy/plasma weaponry, not the kinetic impactors the Yuuzhan Vong use, in fact, some ships in the SWU didn't even use particle defense shields at that time. Not to mention, the yaret-kor were notoriously noneffective against ships with point defense laser systems, because the laser systems could destroy or break apart the incoming projectile. Guess who has point defense systems? Oh yeah, the Reapers. When it comes down to it, all they're firing is a ball of molten rock, pretty ineffective compared tot he penetrating power of a depleted uranium/tungsten spear of death.
Not only that, SW weapons were ineffective against the Worldships because they used energy weaponry. How the energy is important as well as the yield. Whereas turbolasers use balls of plasma, which are inherently ineffective against an enemy like the Vongship, the Reapers use weapons with immense puncturing power, the raw pressure a spear of dense metal traveling at relativistic speeds would have a much better chance at puncturing the living ship, disrupting its circulatory and nervous systems.
The reapers are also smarter in battle- they're not going to stick to the 2D assault patterns nearly every ship of the New Republic used. They will likely also engage at further distances than what the Worldship is used to. Also, the Worldship has a slow rate of fire, compared to the Reapers whose main spinal gun can fire once every 3-5 seconds (along with 6 other guns). Fire volume anyone?
Finally, keep in mind that the Worldship is organic, it's a living being. 25 overlapping indoctrination fields would have SOME effect on the Worldship's nervous system or on the vong inside.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Thank you.
I feel that if there was a pause in the clone war (which I think there would be, explanation in a moment) they would have the ground advantage between Jedi and droid production. This would likely drain Jedi and separatists forces would be drained quicker, while the more expensive clones would be held in reserve. The emperor would like claim that the Jedi sided with the separatists when the Vong are defeated allowing the clones who remain at full force to clean up both factions allowing the emperor to take power (possibly earlier than he actually did.
I'd like to see how the Vong would react to having to fight droidekas (it's late and I'm tired so if that's not how it's spelled you have my excuse)
A new challenger has entered the game!
I can just imagine the Vong would just make a b line to the separatist ignoring everyone else. They will be like moms on black Friday destroying those droids.