Captain Freeman's immediate, "No, that's what the Solvang would have done" is impressive captain-ing. Combat protocol for Cali class is "Assess threat and retreat immediately if overmatched" and she knew that the Solvang had done that, so she ordered another way to buy time.
Plus Lt. Shaxs immediately called out that the port nacelle was being held by a binding arm; the tactical officer aboard the Solvang likely didn’t have enough time or didn’t know that the Pakleds deployed a binding arm to immobilize the Solvang.
California-class starships are captained and crewed by second-string personnel *by Starfleet's standards*. By everybody else's they're terrifyingly hyper-competent overachievers.
That was exactly what set Lower Decks on the path to greatness, a few seasons ago: the willingness to demonstrate Gravitas and up the stakes on the story.
Frankly I'm amazed there was anything left for the Packleds to salvage beyond the Nacelle they had in tow, if even that much. I'd expect the ship to be scattered shrapnel across dozens of lightyears.
@@johnwang9914 The ISS was built to be modular. The Pakleds are sticking salvage together that wasn't designed that way and by some miracle making it work.
@@Brasswatchman I was referring to the comment of Lego sets which are also designed to be modular. If you are going to be pedantic about the ISS being designed to be modular than you also can't compare the Paklids to Lego sets on that logic.
"Hang in there Baby-Bear!" On 2nd view-through, knowing what would happen, I actually teared up. Shaxs is on of the GOATs of Star Trek along Miles and Riker.
I would like to point out once again that Voyager couldn't get parts of its OWN ship to work together properly. These idiots are literally bolting on piece of random stuff and building dreadnaughts out of them. I blame Archer and Phlox for this.
The fact that the star trek comedy chose bad guys who've always been seen as a joke and made them into an honest threat is just poetry. The Pakleds, not taken seriously for their idiocy, are now an imposing force for that very same reason. They are an enemy that cannot be negotiated with because theyre simply too stupid and it nearly gets the Cerritos crew wiped out. Again and again this show is able to make you laugh at star trek events and characters that were taken seriously in they're original shows while turning around and creating these tense moments with the characters that have never been taken seriously once. We couldn't have gotten a better star trek comedy.
Lower Decks with its references and comedy, in my opinion, often feels like they're remembering Star Trek for what it is, and then building upon it, which is what makes it so magical. Its an innovative Star Trek show that tries new things, and uses the old stories as a springboard for new ones, which is a smart move when theres decades of stories that came before. The Pakleds in the series are indeed a good embodiment of that. Some might even say that Lower Decks is boldly going where no one has gone before.
I saw on person suggest it was a borg tractor beam, as it penetrated shields. Borg tech would be a very good explanation in verse as to how they got all that to work together. Find a destroyed borg vessel(thanks janeway), grab some tech, find someone who can "make it go", and you have a recipe for disaster.
I always figured that the Pakled are actually really smart but can't communicate complex thoughts. So, to anyone using a translator program, they seems stupid. They then take advantage of that to lure in prey.
Microsofts code was also weak but still Microsoft dominated the software industry. Sometimes good enough is enough, any extra would just be wasted effort. You get paid the same for code that barely works as you do for a masterpiece.
@@FurryEskimo Really, how do you not understand the relevance, weak code but still a threat, Microsoft's code is weak but Microsoft still dominated it's industry... How is that not relevant... The code only has to be good enough, any more effort is wasted effort and that's how the software industry works, you get paid the same if your code is a piece of crap but works well enough as you do if it's a masterpiece. Even in a programming course, your program might be only a hundred lines of code but the guy who wrote code covering five pages will still get the same grade if theirs also worked. The starter "Hello World" program used to be less than fifty bytes long but students today are using 5 megabytes to write the same program. The relevance is as the topic said, code is weak but still dangerous as in effective. You're using a computer that's over 100,000 times more powerful than a computer if the late 70's early 80's but it's taking just as long for it to crunch your taxes.
@@johnwang9914 Ok, that wasn’t clear because you’re depending on me having intricate knowledge about the code of these companies, which hadn’t yet been mentioned and which seemed like a huge draw on irl events compared to storytelling techniques, that it threw me off.
hahah. I still love this episode. 'But who could whip up that kind of code! They'd have to be some sort of morally bankrupt genius!' *Cut to Rutherford* Rutherford: Hah hah!
Well it also makes sense for the time period. The Dominion War left a lot of casualties and destroyed Ships from all Alpha powers. The opportunities for Pakleds to salvage pieces to accumulate power were extraordinary. Only impressive that the Dominion didn't destroy their planet.
I'm still actually very sad that the entire crew was wiped out just like that; and she just got that ship too... and we only acknowledged the loss of probably hundreds if not thousands of lives on that ship for a mere millisecond. 😢
It's a sad trope in fiction but necessary to really nail home just how "big evil bad guy" the antagonist is. All the better for the protagonist(s) to overcome; though, something acknowledging the loss more would have been nice. Even some semi-cheesy action one-liner at the end, "This is for the Solvang!"
Actually that ship by Star Trek lore would have needed about 400 crew members; then account for civilians on board about a thousand at max. Still sad though
@@thedev.student1424By that point I think Civilians where not really allowed on starship unless they where long distance ships and even then there had to be a low risk. A lot of these lessons where learned after Worf 359 and the Doninian War. After that I think starfleet tried to discourage bringing family abord ships. The last time you see civilians on a Starship is in Star Trek Generations. Really its not a good idea to mix service personnel and civilains and Star Fleet learned this lesson hard with the deaths of 100s of thousands of non active personal.
Pakleds may be partly a joke, but damn are they deadly joke. In just one moment, from one call that would be the reasonable response to an engagement they couldn't handle, One can only assume possibly hundreds of souls were lost to in an instant. We see even the bridge of the Cerritos was about to make that same call. Freeman probably would have made that same mistake if they didn't see the destruction that occured to the Solvang. Honestly, I have no clue if any other crew could reasonably survive as long as the Cerritos did. The bridge crew probably got the upper hand in combat because of Marines' contraband, the reason they could deal with the Pakleds ship was because of badgey being a morally bankrupt creation that Rutherford accidentally made that way, and even Shax's attempt to board with Rutherford was because the Lower Decks crew were making their own modified shuttle.
They are also an example of direct thinking unencumbered by any sort morality. They see a thing, they take it and it doesn’t matter who it belonged to. Add on the fact that they are extremely imposing physically the combination of both make them a kind of Klingons without *any* redeeming features..
It also depends on the ship class. The California class isn't exactly known for her combat prowess. If a Defiant (or patrol wing of Defiants) had responded to the distress call, the Pakleds would been in world of hurt. They might even be able to dodge those grappling hooks. A Galaxy, Intrepid, Nebula, Saber, or Steamrunner would questionable, but a Galaxy or Nebula might last longer than a California if dragged into a combat sitation. But a Sovereign, Achilles, or Akira CO's first response probably wouldn't have been "let's get the hell out of here", but "okay, the first hit was yours, now let's go! An eye for an eye, a bulkhead for a weapon's array, let's bring it on!". These are ship classes that are designed for combat. The former two are even more powerful than a Luna, while the latter has a far more terrifying torpedo loadout! The scenario only becomes only more fun if a Prometheus gets involved, especially if the Pakleds still have backup.
I mean, the Pakled ship is way more powerful, so the outcome is not that surprising, especially when you take into account it's a California class ship, not exactly designed for fighting
I think this was the most shocking, most viscerally gut wrenching depiction of high stakes destruction in any Star trek show that I've seen. The set-up was masterful, and caught -at least- me, completely off guard. This was the episode that shifted Lower Decks from "comedy cartoon, pseudo-parody" to a Solid, cannon, active participant in the Startrek timeline. At least that's what it did for me. Bravo.
@@ematuskeyMakes sense, in the next moments she showed faster and more accurate planning than many of the flagship Federation captains with how quickly she realised warping out was the wrong move
Solvang is a Danish-themed tourist trap city about 30 miles northwest of Santa Barbara. If you're in the area, its a nice place to visit for a couple of hours.
Since the Cerritos has at least one Caitian doctor, T'ana, I would guess the Solvang would have one or more Caitians as well... so it probably wasn't a "cat" per se....
There are plenty of people who think it was stupid to make the Pakleds this big of a threat, tho in the TNG Episode Samaritan Snare, the whole point about the Pakleds is about how dangerous it is to underestimate something no matter how harmless they may seem
Considering the crew will typically not leave the ship at all for months at a time, the concern of shoes tracking in dirt is even more absurd. Not saying Dayton wouldn’t ask this though 😅😂
I like the constitution III, but arguably it should've been the stargazer not the titan. As the stargazsr was more important to picard than the titan which was riker's ship.
@@keit99 It was a complete and stupid mess.. Titan-A is a new different ship yet they keep treating it like if it was the old Titan refitted (outright treating it like Rike's old ship including references to his music collection) and end up renaming Enteprise because aparently Titan wouldnt be distinguised enough (and Enteprise-F completelly fucked up being retired litereally before her comision date)
@@keit99Yes but thats still lazy writing.. same with the Enterprise refitt.. yes its very cool but the idea that the ship changed so much that even the inner corridors and rooms were totally different just makes it a new ship..its literally the ship of Theseus
@@KnightRaymund Its not that, they don't fully understand the concept of each star ship having its own name. So they think every ship is "the enterprise" because they can't grasp that "Enterprise" isn't the word for "starships" in the common language of English. Same goes for Janeway, they concluded somehow all "female starfleet captains = Janeway" because they think "Janeway" is the word for "female starfleet captain". Their own language is actually simple verbally and they communicate via emotions and facial expressions. Its like they can speak 10,000 words with one facial expression. Its when they had to deal with other aliens that spoke verbal languages that they can across problems. Verbal language is really hard for them to grasp. They have a basic grasp of logic and when you hear them speak, you nod and go "yeah, the logics there but... They haven't fully understood the motive" because of the way they handle langauge. Like they understood "other alien tech makes us strong" and came up with a system that allowed them to integrate alien tech into their own. But they didn't understand that... Maybe thats not a good idea. Their also pretty much one of those species that got to space by the "big boom makes things go higher" method of space travel.
There are two ways to interpret this: 1) the designers are idiots who have no idea what they’re doing and 2) oh god it’s surrounded by a HALO OF THE SHATTERED REMAINS OF ITS PAST VICTIMS And both are completely accurate
@@maddie4834there was an explanation video of the pakled species that indicate that pakled warp bubbles fail to filter out debris or other nearby material, that plus the very slow transporter was noted to be the characteristics that while the pakleds could perform miracles on kitbashing ships together, they can’t maintain them nor improve their properties without stripping apart other ships to just keep their own running.
It's interesting if you think about it that Riker jumps in and immediately attacks the Pakleds, where as Gowron was the only one to successfully negotiate with them.
Huh... The Solvang, while wearing red command division colors on the outer hull, shows a more bluish ting to it's LCARS panels on the inside, hinting at a more Science/Medical division oriented ship.
How the hell does the Cerritos come back from the dead? :D All the fatal damages it takes through many dangerous missions are more than enough to scrap the ship, yet they come back kicking ass, lol.
@@wendyheatherwood Maybe she was a good schmoozer? Red-striped Cali class ships are supposedly geared towards being taxis for ambassadors and diplomats. Maybe that's why she's so focused on appearances when we see her.
Both of her ships were of the California class. These aren't frontline ships dealing with the oddities like we're used to seeing the Enterprise deal with. Instead, they're support ships mostly used for maintaining infrastructure, "Second Contacts," et al. She might've been a competent commander in those less stressful and more mundane situations, but having the ship possessed by an entity or a sudden Pakled attack were events outside her wheelhouse.
@@wendyheatherwoodInterestingly, the mistake she made that doomed the Solvang was exactly the same one Ransom was about to make, so this tracks pretty well
@@auriliagilneas Honestly that also shows how damn good a captain Freeman is. Yes she gripes at times at the position of the California Class and their role in the Fleet, but she still approaches the job as if she was commanding a Galaxy Class. She thinks quick, has a tactical mind, and doesn't get flustered. I mean she's issuing good orders as soon as things start going south here where as Dayton just completely froze up for several seconds. You could put Freeman in the Captain's Chair of any ship in the Fleet I think and she would absolutely shine.
A couple problems. 1. Ship is massively damaged; considering even small amounts of damage has knocked out the sensors for larger ships, I'd say there is a good chance the sensors are damaged on the Cerritos. 2. Boimler is an Ensign. A promising, regulation following, Ensign, yes, but an Ensign none the less. He may not be familiar with the controls or sensor readings. 3. Shax was on tactical; in the shot right before revealing the Titan, we see an unnamed tactical Star Fleet officer at the tactical station. Assuming standard ranking convention for bridge duties, this unnamed tactical officer is at most a Lieutenant. It's entirely possible this unnamed tactical officer is relatively new (IIRC, the restocked and had shore leave shortly before this episode, so the officer may have boarded then) and unfamiliar or uncertain of themselves, especially in a situation like this. 4. Right before the additional Pakled ships arrive, there is a scene where it shows 3 additional ships arriving. It's entirely possible that Boimler, an Ensign still new to combat and the position he now holds, missed the alert for the Titan arriving in the chaos. He may have swapped displays looking for a method to assist, or simply froze in fear (wouldn't be the first time in the series). Edit: And yes, I remember "not-even-a-cadet" Wesley Crusher knew all the screens and layouts and everything in the first episode of TNG, but he was considered a very gifted individual who had dreamed of being a starship captain since he was a little boy. As far as I can tell, Boimler is doing this because it's prestigious and he wants to be remembered, not out of passion for the job. Boimler would have spent far more time memorizing the regulations and data regarding encounters with other species, all to pass tests and perform well in the Academy. When put into practice, we see time and time again he fails while Mariner (who didn't study in the Academy, etc.) succeeds in an actual leadership experience. Eventually, he adapts, and that's his character arc, learning not everything can be taught in school and sometimes the book is wrong, but in the early episodes/seasons, he's a real prick.
Such situations is where it would be nice to have a Project Orion external nuclear pulse drive. The energies needed even for their in lore Star Trek subspace engines would be more destructive than any weapon we have today and should be able to destroy continents if misused.
The Federation relies way too heavily on diplomacy to solve problems at times. The Pakleds completely destroyed one ship with all hands lost, crippled another with no doubt casualties. This should've resulted in War.
the Pakleds are cowered when they get attacked, they blowed up a bit of there own planet just to get help from starfleet to flit to a nicer planet with rice resources, it failed and now they are stuck on there damage rocky planet, lol.
It would be interesting to have Star Trek series that just focuses on normal people's lives. Not just ship based dramas. There are billions of people that do other things than work on ships.
Personally, I'd have gone to sequentially increasing impulse power, sacrifice the port warp nacelle, jettison a distress buoy... calling Riker and the Titan. Cali' class ships are good, but dealing with a Pakled junk dreadnaught is something different...
And how where they to know that they would warp into a debris field before they got there? They went to the last known location of the solvang. It happened in the 2009 star trek movie and I'm sure it happened many times throughout star trek.
@@freddieb3537 Is this supposed to be a joke? They received a distress call. That means something went wrong for the other ship. What could that be? In most cases, that other ship ran into a hazardous situation. So OF COURSE you would no warp too close to the origin of the distress call. The only exception would be a complete distress call that says, "the danger is over, but our ship is damaged." Something like that. _
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Is this supposed to be a joke? They received a distress call. That means something went wrong for the other ship. What could that be? In most cases, that other ship ran into a hazardous situation. So OF COURSE you would no warp too close to the origin of the distress call. The only exception would be a complete distress call that says, "the danger is over, but our ship is damaged." Something like that. _
@@ricksimon9867 are you a troll seems very much like it. You clearly haven't watched a lot of star trek it happens a lot that the ship warps into danger. They get a distress call and go to the last known location the debris field was massive from a ship that size. More like a lazy comment. Stop trying to argue over nothing.
2:43 So everyone’s just not getting sucked through the cuts in the ship into space. And all of these massive hot lazor cuts are not lethal nor cause any catastrophic damage going through multiple decks?? Oh right the magic yellow grid that somehow can withstand the force of a complete vacuume but not a explosion Stay scientific star-trek 🫡
Captain Freeman's immediate, "No, that's what the Solvang would have done" is impressive captain-ing. Combat protocol for Cali class is "Assess threat and retreat immediately if overmatched" and she knew that the Solvang had done that, so she ordered another way to buy time.
Plus Lt. Shaxs immediately called out that the port nacelle was being held by a binding arm; the tactical officer aboard the Solvang likely didn’t have enough time or didn’t know that the Pakleds deployed a binding arm to immobilize the Solvang.
California-class starships are captained and crewed by second-string personnel *by Starfleet's standards*. By everybody else's they're terrifyingly hyper-competent overachievers.
The effect of the failed warp is quite unnerving.
Considering what happens to achieve warp, it's not surprising.
That was exactly what set Lower Decks on the path to greatness, a few seasons ago: the willingness to demonstrate Gravitas and up the stakes on the story.
most brutal starship death in star trek, even beating out the mirandas in the dominion war
@@russellmzdamn. They never had a chance.
Frankly I'm amazed there was anything left for the Packleds to salvage beyond the Nacelle they had in tow, if even that much. I'd expect the ship to be scattered shrapnel across dozens of lightyears.
2:23 It is kinda great that Pakleds think of spaceships the same way any kid with a Lego set does.
literally me when i was 9
You mean like the ISS...
@@johnwang9914 The ISS was built to be modular. The Pakleds are sticking salvage together that wasn't designed that way and by some miracle making it work.
@@Brasswatchman I was referring to the comment of Lego sets which are also designed to be modular. If you are going to be pedantic about the ISS being designed to be modular than you also can't compare the Paklids to Lego sets on that logic.
It's the sudden silence after a ship is destroyed that gets me.
Well it is in the vacuum of space...
@@johnwang9914the vacuum of space, with nobody left to hear scream.
@@johnwang9914 yeah, but even the music stops.
@@AWriterWandering An interesting circumstance where dramatic effect and the realities of physics coincide.
"Hang in there Baby-Bear!"
On 2nd view-through, knowing what would happen, I actually teared up.
Shaxs is on of the GOATs of Star Trek along Miles and Riker.
Did they ever explain how he survived?
@@knytrydr73 he didn’t survive. He was resurrected. And it was explained.
@@knytrydr73
Ever hear of the Black Mountain?
I would like to point out once again that Voyager couldn't get parts of its OWN ship to work together properly. These idiots are literally bolting on piece of random stuff and building dreadnaughts out of them. I blame Archer and Phlox for this.
GOD DAMMIT ARCHER!
@@joshrobins130SUCK IT UP, BRENT!
A sign that the Pakleds may very well have a lot more intelligence and know-how than their demeanor suggests.
@@Brasswatchman I mean, they couldn't exactly have LESS, now could they?
Sounds like 40k orcs.
27 seconds. From first shot to total destruction of the Solvang. Brutal...
The fact that the star trek comedy chose bad guys who've always been seen as a joke and made them into an honest threat is just poetry. The Pakleds, not taken seriously for their idiocy, are now an imposing force for that very same reason. They are an enemy that cannot be negotiated with because theyre simply too stupid and it nearly gets the Cerritos crew wiped out. Again and again this show is able to make you laugh at star trek events and characters that were taken seriously in they're original shows while turning around and creating these tense moments with the characters that have never been taken seriously once. We couldn't have gotten a better star trek comedy.
Lower Decks with its references and comedy, in my opinion, often feels like they're remembering Star Trek for what it is, and then building upon it, which is what makes it so magical. Its an innovative Star Trek show that tries new things, and uses the old stories as a springboard for new ones, which is a smart move when theres decades of stories that came before. The Pakleds in the series are indeed a good embodiment of that.
Some might even say that Lower Decks is boldly going where no one has gone before.
I saw on person suggest it was a borg tractor beam, as it penetrated shields.
Borg tech would be a very good explanation in verse as to how they got all that to work together.
Find a destroyed borg vessel(thanks janeway), grab some tech, find someone who can "make it go", and you have a recipe for disaster.
Plus with the wreckage of the dominion war, Pakled scavengers would've had much more success. Makes sense the Pakleds are now an actual threat.
If only Gowon had passed on his negotiating skills
I always figured that the Pakled are actually really smart but can't communicate complex thoughts. So, to anyone using a translator program, they seems stupid. They then take advantage of that to lure in prey.
Showing an enemy be competent is how you give them credibility. Their code was weak, but they posed a serious threat. Good.
Until a ship that designed to be fights show up.
Microsofts code was also weak but still Microsoft dominated the software industry. Sometimes good enough is enough, any extra would just be wasted effort. You get paid the same for code that barely works as you do for a masterpiece.
@@johnwang9914 huh..? I don't understand the relevance.
@@FurryEskimo Really, how do you not understand the relevance, weak code but still a threat, Microsoft's code is weak but Microsoft still dominated it's industry... How is that not relevant... The code only has to be good enough, any more effort is wasted effort and that's how the software industry works, you get paid the same if your code is a piece of crap but works well enough as you do if it's a masterpiece. Even in a programming course, your program might be only a hundred lines of code but the guy who wrote code covering five pages will still get the same grade if theirs also worked. The starter "Hello World" program used to be less than fifty bytes long but students today are using 5 megabytes to write the same program. The relevance is as the topic said, code is weak but still dangerous as in effective. You're using a computer that's over 100,000 times more powerful than a computer if the late 70's early 80's but it's taking just as long for it to crunch your taxes.
@@johnwang9914 Ok, that wasn’t clear because you’re depending on me having intricate knowledge about the code of these companies, which hadn’t yet been mentioned and which seemed like a huge draw on irl events compared to storytelling techniques, that it threw me off.
hahah. I still love this episode.
'But who could whip up that kind of code! They'd have to be some sort of morally bankrupt genius!'
*Cut to Rutherford*
Rutherford: Hah hah!
That was tryly horrifying. It makes the Pakleds a legitimate threat
Imho it was a good choice for a parody series. Taking what was easily a joke race in canon and believably building them into a threat.
They don't &&^&^# arround like the BORG.@@Klaaism
Well it also makes sense for the time period. The Dominion War left a lot of casualties and destroyed Ships from all Alpha powers. The opportunities for Pakleds to salvage pieces to accumulate power were extraordinary.
Only impressive that the Dominion didn't destroy their planet.
I'm still actually very sad that the entire crew was wiped out just like that; and she just got that ship too... and we only acknowledged the loss of probably hundreds if not thousands of lives on that ship for a mere millisecond. 😢
It's a sad trope in fiction but necessary to really nail home just how "big evil bad guy" the antagonist is. All the better for the protagonist(s) to overcome; though, something acknowledging the loss more would have been nice. Even some semi-cheesy action one-liner at the end, "This is for the Solvang!"
Actually that ship by Star Trek lore would have needed about 400 crew members; then account for civilians on board about a thousand at max. Still sad though
Well it comes with the dangers of joining star fleet. At any moment you could die exploring space, and theres not much you can do about it
@@thedev.student1424By that point I think Civilians where not really allowed on starship unless they where long distance ships and even then there had to be a low risk. A lot of these lessons where learned after Worf 359 and the Doninian War. After that I think starfleet tried to discourage bringing family abord ships. The last time you see civilians on a Starship is in Star Trek Generations.
Really its not a good idea to mix service personnel and civilains and Star Fleet learned this lesson hard with the deaths of 100s of thousands of non active personal.
Yeah, writing could be better.
Shax facing immediate firey death in battle: "HAHAAR!"
Just don't talk about how he appears again.....
Why? Is it something bad?
@@som3body3It's part of the running gag on how it must appear to the lower decks when characters who've been dead turn up for whatever reason.
Hes gonna blow us up!
NOT IF I HAVE SOMETHING TO SCREAM ABOUT IT!!
I love Shax XD
The Next Generation Theme song is my soul music.
Aside from the Enterprise Will Riker on the Titan should legally be the only one allowed to rock that theme
Pakleds may be partly a joke, but damn are they deadly joke.
In just one moment, from one call that would be the reasonable response to an engagement they couldn't handle, One can only assume possibly hundreds of souls were lost to in an instant.
We see even the bridge of the Cerritos was about to make that same call. Freeman probably would have made that same mistake if they didn't see the destruction that occured to the Solvang.
Honestly, I have no clue if any other crew could reasonably survive as long as the Cerritos did. The bridge crew probably got the upper hand in combat because of Marines' contraband, the reason they could deal with the Pakleds ship was because of badgey being a morally bankrupt creation that Rutherford accidentally made that way, and even Shax's attempt to board with Rutherford was because the Lower Decks crew were making their own modified shuttle.
They're not known as the enterprise of the cali class for nothing
IMO, they're a deadly joke as a metaphor for how ignorance can be harmful and deadly.
They are also an example of direct thinking unencumbered by any sort morality. They see a thing, they take it and it doesn’t matter who it belonged to. Add on the fact that they are extremely imposing physically the combination of both make them a kind of Klingons without *any* redeeming features..
It also depends on the ship class. The California class isn't exactly known for her combat prowess. If a Defiant (or patrol wing of Defiants) had responded to the distress call, the Pakleds would been in world of hurt. They might even be able to dodge those grappling hooks.
A Galaxy, Intrepid, Nebula, Saber, or Steamrunner would questionable, but a Galaxy or Nebula might last longer than a California if dragged into a combat sitation.
But a Sovereign, Achilles, or Akira CO's first response probably wouldn't have been "let's get the hell out of here", but "okay, the first hit was yours, now let's go! An eye for an eye, a bulkhead for a weapon's array, let's bring it on!". These are ship classes that are designed for combat. The former two are even more powerful than a Luna, while the latter has a far more terrifying torpedo loadout!
The scenario only becomes only more fun if a Prometheus gets involved, especially if the Pakleds still have backup.
Hard to believe the USS Solvang got destroyed so quick. Along with the entire crew.
I mean, the Pakled ship is way more powerful, so the outcome is not that surprising, especially when you take into account it's a California class ship, not exactly designed for fighting
Also with a captain who lost her last ship and complained more about keeping it “pristine”. It’s no wonder.
Sometimes, all it takes is a few seconds.
Well, FTL warp travel DOES carry risks.
@@UnlimitedFlyers better than 40k warp.
I think this was the most shocking, most viscerally gut wrenching depiction of high stakes destruction in any Star trek show that I've seen. The set-up was masterful, and caught -at least- me, completely off guard. This was the episode that shifted Lower Decks from "comedy cartoon, pseudo-parody" to a Solid, cannon, active participant in the Startrek timeline. At least that's what it did for me. Bravo.
Man the shot at 1:45 goes hard as hell
Freeman activated Boss Mode.
@@ematuskeyMakes sense, in the next moments she showed faster and more accurate planning than many of the flagship Federation captains with how quickly she realised warping out was the wrong move
Ikr?
The angel, the lighting, the color palette, even just her tone of voice.
Starfleet discovers the lethal joke charecter
The Pakleds are the Star Trek equivalent to Da Orkz
The evasive manouver scene looked awesome
Cerritos = Happy Starfleet, Titan = Boss Music Starfleet.
You get a fun silly show and then episodes like this.
The way captain freeman locked in gets me everytime
Solvang is a Danish-themed tourist trap city about 30 miles northwest of Santa Barbara. If you're in the area, its a nice place to visit for a couple of hours.
1:44 Whoa that shot of Captain Freeman is badass
You can hear a cat’s meow as the ship explodes.
Since the Cerritos has at least one Caitian doctor, T'ana, I would guess the Solvang would have one or more Caitians as well... so it probably wasn't a "cat" per se....
Huh..... They use the "sequoia" shuttlecraft 3:13. The one rutherford keep fixing and upgrading.
Never notice it until now.
You can also notice that the chief of security got the upper hand in his fight a second before he died.
Welp at least he did go the way he wanted
the chills I got when Riker came out of warp🥶
2:57 that "haha" always got me XD
Still gets me that the most brutal and shocking destruction of a Starfleet vessel shown on screen comes from the goofy comedy animated series.
“New ship smell”? Mmm, kinda smells like explodium to me.
Damn you, you got a legitimate “lol“ out of me on that one. Well done
It was a legit "Ha. Ha." for me tho
There are plenty of people who think it was stupid to make the Pakleds this big of a threat, tho in the TNG Episode Samaritan Snare, the whole point about the Pakleds is about how dangerous it is to underestimate something no matter how harmless they may seem
Considering the crew will typically not leave the ship at all for months at a time, the concern of shoes tracking in dirt is even more absurd.
Not saying Dayton wouldn’t ask this though 😅😂
Small crumbs of leftover food from the replicator
well, it's a new ship
assumably they only got on it recently
@@connortg5 14 days after loss of her last ship.
14 days!
I way much more prefer this Titan to the Picard Titan
I like the constitution III, but arguably it should've been the stargazer not the titan. As the stargazsr was more important to picard than the titan which was riker's ship.
@@keit99 It was a complete and stupid mess.. Titan-A is a new different ship yet they keep treating it like if it was the old Titan refitted (outright treating it like Rike's old ship including references to his music collection) and end up renaming Enteprise because aparently Titan wouldnt be distinguised enough (and Enteprise-F completelly fucked up being retired litereally before her comision date)
@@sparrowlt from what si understand the idea was that they replaced the hull but used as many parts of the innards of the OG Titan.
@@keit99Yes but thats still lazy writing.. same with the Enterprise refitt.. yes its very cool but the idea that the ship changed so much that even the inner corridors and rooms were totally different just makes it a new ship..its literally the ship of Theseus
@@sparrowlt bot gonna deny that. It worked for me, but could've been handled better.
I love the TOS phaser sound when the Sequoia blasts its way out!
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The second sad part about all this is that the Pakleds still have a grudge against the enterprise.
Every ship is the Enterprise. Every female captain is Janeway. They can only remember like 10 things.
@@KnightRaymund Its not that, they don't fully understand the concept of each star ship having its own name. So they think every ship is "the enterprise" because they can't grasp that "Enterprise" isn't the word for "starships" in the common language of English. Same goes for Janeway, they concluded somehow all "female starfleet captains = Janeway" because they think "Janeway" is the word for "female starfleet captain".
Their own language is actually simple verbally and they communicate via emotions and facial expressions. Its like they can speak 10,000 words with one facial expression. Its when they had to deal with other aliens that spoke verbal languages that they can across problems. Verbal language is really hard for them to grasp.
They have a basic grasp of logic and when you hear them speak, you nod and go "yeah, the logics there but... They haven't fully understood the motive" because of the way they handle langauge. Like they understood "other alien tech makes us strong" and came up with a system that allowed them to integrate alien tech into their own. But they didn't understand that... Maybe thats not a good idea.
Their also pretty much one of those species that got to space by the "big boom makes things go higher" method of space travel.
anyone notice that the Pakled ship shed parts of itself when it dropped out of warp?
There are two ways to interpret this:
1) the designers are idiots who have no idea what they’re doing and
2) oh god it’s surrounded by a HALO OF THE SHATTERED REMAINS OF ITS PAST VICTIMS
And both are completely accurate
@@maddie4834there was an explanation video of the pakled species that indicate that pakled warp bubbles fail to filter out debris or other nearby material, that plus the very slow transporter was noted to be the characteristics that while the pakleds could perform miracles on kitbashing ships together, they can’t maintain them nor improve their properties without stripping apart other ships to just keep their own running.
Poor Captain Dayton. She couldn't catch a break.
Pakleds, the comedy Reavers of space.
When it "achieved" warp it sounded like a cat screeching.
It's interesting if you think about it that Riker jumps in and immediately attacks the Pakleds, where as Gowron was the only one to successfully negotiate with them.
Carol Freeman according to the pakleds: Captain Janeway of the USS Enterprise
Casually prename the most terrifying Star Trek death with “that new ship smell”
Man, If I were a Starfleet Rear Admiral, the urge to glass the Pakleds would be insane to resist.
Rear Admiral Begbie was apparently in rehab at the time
I bet Admiral Jellicoe was just begging to obliterate them.
Shax was so happy. He got blown up and took several of the bastards with him.
Did anyone notice that the Starfleet uniform apparently has required white socks?
This is *Better* than any other *Star* *Trek* 🌌
They have things! Things that make them go!
They are strong!
They look for things!
You know it's messed up when you see this the second time and the loose film thing saddens you just a bit.
Solvang is great btw, try the butter cookies.
Owning a pet moopsy is like having a tarantula or a snake but times a million
Those were surprisingly good battle scenes.
I love that Lower Decks turned the Pakleds into the Orks of Star Trek. Most of their ‘Tech’ works because they force it to.
Huh...
The Solvang, while wearing red command division colors on the outer hull, shows a more bluish ting to it's LCARS panels on the inside, hinting at a more Science/Medical division oriented ship.
This show goes from carefree to terrifying faster than you can say "engage"
How the hell does the Cerritos come back from the dead? :D All the fatal damages it takes through many dangerous missions are more than enough to scrap the ship, yet they come back kicking ass, lol.
The california class is a cheap ship design. It's not as impressive as a Soverign or Defiant, but it's also literally much more replacable.
In less than 6 seconds, Shaxx had the upper hand xD
I mean Capt. Dayton has to be good at something right??? Is she really good at data analysis or something?
She might have been a brilliant first officer that just had the misfortune to be promoted one step higher than she was equipped to deal with.
@@wendyheatherwood Maybe she was a good schmoozer? Red-striped Cali class ships are supposedly geared towards being taxis for ambassadors and diplomats. Maybe that's why she's so focused on appearances when we see her.
Both of her ships were of the California class. These aren't frontline ships dealing with the oddities like we're used to seeing the Enterprise deal with. Instead, they're support ships mostly used for maintaining infrastructure, "Second Contacts," et al. She might've been a competent commander in those less stressful and more mundane situations, but having the ship possessed by an entity or a sudden Pakled attack were events outside her wheelhouse.
@@wendyheatherwoodInterestingly, the mistake she made that doomed the Solvang was exactly the same one Ransom was about to make, so this tracks pretty well
@@auriliagilneas Honestly that also shows how damn good a captain Freeman is. Yes she gripes at times at the position of the California Class and their role in the Fleet, but she still approaches the job as if she was commanding a Galaxy Class. She thinks quick, has a tactical mind, and doesn't get flustered. I mean she's issuing good orders as soon as things start going south here where as Dayton just completely froze up for several seconds. You could put Freeman in the Captain's Chair of any ship in the Fleet I think and she would absolutely shine.
Anyone else hear that cat sound as the solvang went to warp
Yes. Weirded me out.
Guess there's something to be said about physical grapplers over tractor beams
This is when Lower Decks earned the name "Star Trek".
Shax: THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!!!!! EAT THIS!!!!!!
Shax, the Klingon from another Planet
HANG IN THERE, BABY BEAR!
You can tell a good portion of season one’s animation budget was devoted to the finale
Is that the TNG theme in the background shortly after the Titan showed up?
Sure is
Not to undercut this scene, but does anyone else hear the angry cat sound as the ship explodes?
I'd like to see the Klingons declare war on the Pakleds like they did the Tribbles.
Are those dominion weaponry?
Shax was a Klingon that was accidentally born Bajoran.
Take that Pakleds!
Am I the only one to want to see what would happen if a Pakled ship encountered a Space Hulk full of Orks? XD
So, the lesson that we take away from this is that grappling claws are superior to tractor beams.
How did someone like that make it to captain?
okay sensors would have showed that ship warpign in.
That's what I thought to like how can that ship not be picked up on scanners it's huge
A couple problems. 1. Ship is massively damaged; considering even small amounts of damage has knocked out the sensors for larger ships, I'd say there is a good chance the sensors are damaged on the Cerritos. 2. Boimler is an Ensign. A promising, regulation following, Ensign, yes, but an Ensign none the less. He may not be familiar with the controls or sensor readings. 3. Shax was on tactical; in the shot right before revealing the Titan, we see an unnamed tactical Star Fleet officer at the tactical station. Assuming standard ranking convention for bridge duties, this unnamed tactical officer is at most a Lieutenant. It's entirely possible this unnamed tactical officer is relatively new (IIRC, the restocked and had shore leave shortly before this episode, so the officer may have boarded then) and unfamiliar or uncertain of themselves, especially in a situation like this. 4. Right before the additional Pakled ships arrive, there is a scene where it shows 3 additional ships arriving. It's entirely possible that Boimler, an Ensign still new to combat and the position he now holds, missed the alert for the Titan arriving in the chaos. He may have swapped displays looking for a method to assist, or simply froze in fear (wouldn't be the first time in the series).
Edit: And yes, I remember "not-even-a-cadet" Wesley Crusher knew all the screens and layouts and everything in the first episode of TNG, but he was considered a very gifted individual who had dreamed of being a starship captain since he was a little boy. As far as I can tell, Boimler is doing this because it's prestigious and he wants to be remembered, not out of passion for the job. Boimler would have spent far more time memorizing the regulations and data regarding encounters with other species, all to pass tests and perform well in the Academy. When put into practice, we see time and time again he fails while Mariner (who didn't study in the Academy, etc.) succeeds in an actual leadership experience. Eventually, he adapts, and that's his character arc, learning not everything can be taught in school and sometimes the book is wrong, but in the early episodes/seasons, he's a real prick.
Wonder when they will get around to the Livermore? The most important city no one knows about in California.
Seaso and episode?
season 1 episode 10, I believe.
Which episode is this ?
The finale of the first season
I love it when the heroes give *everything they have* to just *barely* scrape together a pyrrhic victory.... and it's rendered instantly meaningless.
Such situations is where it would be nice to have a Project Orion external nuclear pulse drive. The energies needed even for their in lore Star Trek subspace engines would be more destructive than any weapon we have today and should be able to destroy continents if misused.
Too bad the captain was more worried about shrink wrap and shoes than what was going on outside the ship.
The TNG theme...
Pakleds re the definition of idiot savant
is this independance day?
The Federation relies way too heavily on diplomacy to solve problems at times. The Pakleds completely destroyed one ship with all hands lost, crippled another with no doubt casualties.
This should've resulted in War.
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the Pakleds are cowered when they get attacked, they blowed up a bit of there own planet just to get help from starfleet to flit to a nicer planet with rice resources, it failed and now they are stuck on there damage rocky planet, lol.
Not Shax!!!
It would be interesting to have Star Trek series that just focuses on normal people's lives. Not just ship based dramas. There are billions of people that do other things than work on ships.
and what's the name of that fucking show ?
Why didn't either of the ships try, oh I don't know, firing back?
It's there policy to talk first shoot later as you can see it worked out for them but also why wasn't there an alert to the vessel approaching them
@@helluvafan247 I feel like that policy goes out the window the second the ship attacks them
pakleds like a worse version of 40k orks
There really are a lot of jerks on this show. Tiresome.
Personally, I'd have gone to sequentially increasing impulse power, sacrifice the port warp nacelle, jettison a distress buoy... calling Riker and the Titan. Cali' class ships are good, but dealing with a Pakled junk dreadnaught is something different...
The stupidity of this premise only matched by the hideousness of the ships, thanks algorithm
I hate that they warped right in the middle of the debris field. That is just lazy writing.
And how where they to know that they would warp into a debris field before they got there? They went to the last known location of the solvang. It happened in the 2009 star trek movie and I'm sure it happened many times throughout star trek.
How is that lazy? The Pakleds literally brought the debris field with them when they warped in, it's not like it just appeared out of nowhere.
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Is this supposed to be a joke? They received a distress call. That means something went wrong for the other ship. What could that be? In most cases, that other ship ran into a hazardous situation. So OF COURSE you would no warp too close to the origin of the distress call. The only exception would be a complete distress call that says, "the danger is over, but our ship is damaged." Something like that.
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@@anthonyrodriguez8788
Is this supposed to be a joke? They received a distress call. That means something went wrong for the other ship. What could that be? In most cases, that other ship ran into a hazardous situation. So OF COURSE you would no warp too close to the origin of the distress call. The only exception would be a complete distress call that says, "the danger is over, but our ship is damaged." Something like that.
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@@ricksimon9867 are you a troll seems very much like it. You clearly haven't watched a lot of star trek it happens a lot that the ship warps into danger. They get a distress call and go to the last known location the debris field was massive from a ship that size. More like a lazy comment. Stop trying to argue over nothing.
This is stupid.
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So everyone’s just not getting sucked through the cuts in the ship into space. And all of these massive hot lazor cuts are not lethal nor cause any catastrophic damage going through multiple decks?? Oh right the magic yellow grid that somehow can withstand the force of a complete vacuume but not a explosion
Stay scientific star-trek 🫡
What episode is this?