I LOVE the fact that Shax immediately points out that they are in completely different circumstances compared to voyager. What Janeway did was morally dubious, yes, but considering they were stranded hard decisions had to be made, and she chose to restore 2 crew members at the expense of 1. They don’t have to do that.
Ironically, the different circumstances also played against them. T'ana is already combative and cynical, combined with Billups' neurosis and far more fearful mindset, it created someone who was quite paranoid and refused to listen.
Technically, they only really need their medical scans, and the teleporter logs. Bare in mind, when teleporting, every one of your atoms is scanned, remembered, energized, beamed to a new location, reassembled from the computers _memory,_ and the converted from energy back into matter. More than just atoms, though, that computer needs a detailed scan of the chemical engrams in your brain (or else, every transport, you show up with a _human_ brain, but not *_YOUR_* brain) Basic fix to this is to capture the scan logues, use them with their most recent medical scan on file, and rebuild the two people with a large enough replicator and the requisite biomass. Truthfully, there's nothing stopping _that_ from being the best/fastest method of cloning, in the galaxy. - Boom - Exact copy of you - Boom - Exact copy of you
First time when Freeman says "No, she just murdered him!" I laughed out loud. This episode handled revisiting this part of Voyager history well I think. Watching Voyager I always knew I would've made the same choice Janeway did but I've also always known that they basically killed an individual for it. But it's a fair point that since they aren't stranded in the Delta quadrant that they could afford to pursue other options first.
@@ThaFriendsZone Think it was more Holo-Janeway sincr she thought of the "clean house" solution, that and Admiral Janeway mellowed down a bit after she got a clear picture
I feel like there is a simple solution to this. 1. Sedate the Tuvixed person. 2. Make a transporter duplicate. 3. Separate one of the transporter duplicates before the sedation wears off. You get to have your two people back, the Tuvixed person gets to live, and the duplicate that is killed off was never even aware of its own existence so it reduces the morality issues significantly.
I have never understood why more people were not "duplicated." Even if in secret, star trek can alter memories and faces. Imagine just instantly producing hundreds if not thousands of troops from one single run about.
If the Tuvixed individual hadn't panicked and set off a series of events that lead to a bunch of people becoming a non-sentient blob of people, that probably would be something they tried. As explored in the show, Janeway was isolated and few options. Safely in Federation space, they could have brought into the resources and minds to successfully solve the issue.
what this shows is they should have set voyager to self destruct once all was settled, INSTEAD of bringing it to earth. that cursed hulk is a deathship.
@@ixaldorran7867 technically yes tech technically no. Specifically when the transporter turns you to energy to spawn you in it needs to essentially take its stored data and clone you. So once they were beamed in you could separate them like they planned while also spawning the clone.
@@ixaldorran7867 I would say it depends on how long they had an independent experience. If it's just patterns in the transporter buffer that are getting duplicated and split there never is any individual that experiences "dying".
@@mnf2139don’t forget, half of Tilips is somebody else entirely. From their perspective, imagine gaining somebody else’s memories then being asked that same question.
That's what I love about T'Lyn's character. She sounds like a normal, mature adult, able to express emotion. Most Vulcans sound like they don't even have the maturity of a 6-year old without even a basic understanding of how emotions work.
Notice that Janeway's logs aren't already stored in the Cerritos computer and Freeman has to specifically request them from the curator? How much you wanna bet Starfleet did that to cover up the bloody swathe of chaos and death that she carved across the Delta Quadrant? Future Starfleet missions to the Delta Quadrant will almost certainly be diplomacy focused, as they try to convince the locals that not all Starfleet captains are evil Queens hyped up on too much caffeine and a little too willing to make alliances with the Borg.
May I introduce you to Star Trek Online.... Fortunately for Star fleet they arrive in the middle of a war and the Romulans (Long story) and the Klingons were there to help with the mess. Also Nelix passed the last 30 years trying to set the record straight.
Yup. I'm not usually a Janeway basher, but that was flat-out murder of a sapient being, and she honestly should have been court-martialled for it on return to Earth. But I guess crippling the Borg on the way home is enough to make Starfleet overlook some things.
@@kbanghart She killed a sapient being against their will. There isn't really a perfect real world parallel to someone being Tuvixed, so its hard to make a comparison, but I get real edgy when people justify killing other people using dehumanizing language (ie, "accident").
I think there is something clever about the fact that a show from "the twenties" likes to make references to "the 70s", "the 80s" etc, given the fact that not only do those terms mean very different things in universe and out, "the twenties" means something different now and in the future.
I never felt separating Tuvix back to Tuvok and Neelix as killing Tuvix. I saw it like factoring a number. But I'm glad others see it as problem. This made for a hilarious espisode. 😂
Well then that’s certainly a demoralizing way to get the crew’s opinion of you if you consider the splitting of a live, sentient, begging-to-live, organism as merely factoring a number instead of the moral conundrum it is to these people.
@@AlexanderVonish Star Trek failed to talk about a splinter group of Human. I always wish that one of the conflict where humans - truly share ancestry of United Earth, decided that the Federation ideal is stupid, and grow strong enough to challenge them.
question i never thought of til now; we know transporters can create clones right? Like Riker and so many others. If killing the combined entity is "bad", why not create a transporter clone and diffuse one of those clones into the constituent members, while preserving the combined entity
Transporter Clones are also still sentient people, so you still have the exact same problem. The solution i suppose would be to somehow deliberately cause a Transporter clone situation wherein 3 people come out the other end: the Tuvix'd individual, and both their original parts.
@@slashharkiri4581 that's what I'm saying yeah, put the combined one in the buffer, then create recreate the individuals by deconstructing a copy of the buffer pattern so that 3 come out the other end. Tho let's be honest, no one survives being atomized, turned to energy, rearranged in a computer, then reassembled, they're all clones
@@slashharkiri4581If you could deliberately create the circumstances that makes transporter clones you could do the Janeway thing at the same time - the Tuvixed individual remains behind and the original people come out the other end. The only reason Janeway's fix was murder was because Tuvix never got reconstituted on the other end, but if they're never disassembled in the first place it's all sorted.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 ... that still basically lobotomizing someone. face it there a reason why Janeway didn't have ALOT of option back in delta quadrant.
Eh, same moral problem since you are still killing a sapient being but could be worked around by splitting a clone of them while in transport before they ever gain consciousness.
Anyone notice the moral problem of Rutherford trying to, "kill" his younger self? Talk about a, "Tuvix" situation! Also, why doesn't Shaxs get his eye replaced or does he ENJOY being half blind??
On DS9 there was an episode that involved a Bajoran guy who lost his arm rescuing Kira back in their resistance days. Federation doctors offered to replace it for him, but he decided to not do it because he offered up his life to the Prophets in exchange for rescuing Kira and he believed the Prophets had decided to only take his arm instead of his life. Shax might be doing something similar.
In Rutherford's case it was more antagonistic with neither wanting to be replaced. And after they had time to talk he was begging his younger self to hold on so they could a new body for him, but Young Sam chose to let go because he saw his older self had the happiness that always eluded him.
This exact scenario already exists irl; if someone is mentally disturbed, or on drugs, they are judged incapable of making rational decisions and remanded to custody of someone else. A tuvix is essentially two people who have been mentally compromised/drugged. It's not murder to take someone off drugs, even if it completely changes their personality as a result.
They're still a wholly sentient being that proves themselves capable at their job and expresses a will to day the way they are. They don't struggle with identity nearly as much as if it were two brains in one body fighting for control. It's a new person, albeit created unconventionalally. I disagree that this is like being on drugs.
@@coffeelich5003 Who says someone on drugs can't be competent? Stephen King wrote the entirety of Cujo while high on cocaine, and literally has no memory of writing it. Was that written by a completely different person?
@demiserofd I guess the distinction here is "did drug induced Mr. King" express interest in keeping his own existence constant and was it a wholly separate consciousness from Stephen himself. Also, drugs wearing off is not a conscious decision, but separating a merged being is, so there's more moral implication behind the action.
@@coffeelich5003 Most people on drugs are very invested in staying on drugs. The fact normal drugs wear off doesn't really change the metaphor, though.
That is a hell of a lot of drastic rationalizing, not to mention your analogy is extreme ablism for arguing that someone who is "mentally disturbed" (a hell of a broad/vague term) automatically loses all rights to freedom of choice, bodily autonomy, and even life. And honestly makes me wonder how many people who defend Janeway's decision would be down with extreme human rights abuses in real life. Reported for hate speech.
Love our gunho captain but she has a nasty habit of saying I instead of we like she is the only capable person on the ship. Well like mother like Daughter, Means well but thinks she knows best. Mother knows best like a 50's tv show
Why would not being in the Delta Quadrant matter? You still have to decide whether to leave them fused together or not. The only way I could think it would matter is if you could create a transporter clone and separate the two from that one, but that usually involves very specific circumstances that are impossible to create at will. You can't just take a pill and make the problem go away.
More resources at their disposal, more professionals to talk to, more opinions to consult and find a “moral” solution here where everything looks good, and most importantly, if a tough choice needs to be made, you can leave it to someone else to make the choice, and if that choice is to get both back, then you can say your hands are clean, while if the choice is to leave them as one person, you can argue for more research to be done.
Being in the Delta Quadrant mattered because they were alone on a ship with limited power and not enough crew. They HAD to 'kill' Tuvix because without Tuvok they lacked the necessary man they needed to get back home alive. But being back home, they can talk to other people and find another solution to this situation without any easy answers. Janeway didn't have that.
Because they can literally do what they did with The Dog and Boimler, call in the Section 14 experts and have 'em chill at the Farm while someone figures out how to reconfigure a pattern buffer to make 1 divide into 3.
"Send me a copy of Janeway's logs" Errm...wouldn't you want to see the Doctor's logs? It was him that designed the procedure to separate the pair. Or better yet, why not just call in the Doctor? Even if he's a ways away, He's a hologram. You can transmit him to your ship easily. "It's called being Tuvixed" I do not believe for one second that the highly scientific and rational organization that is Starfleet would call it being fucking Tuvixed. When someone's murdered we don't called it being 'Cain & Abled.' When you take Penicillin you aren't 'Flemminging'. There must have been a better, more scientific name they could use.
Dude, alot of stuff in real life have stupid ass names, take the Dongle. And stsarfleet can be highly stupid at time, like Beaming The Entire Crew Down To A Planet...With A Planet Killer Nearby ALA Commodore Matt Decker.
@@bloglazer9410 And how many of those stupid names are official scientific names? Plus I just realized, there IS a more scientific name for what happened with Tuvix. Symbiogenesis. It's the term they use on Voyager, so there is literally no reason for them to call it 'Tuvixing'
@@TheIllusiveMan11 (Pulls eyes glasses) Turdus maximus (Scientific name of the Tibetan Blackbird), Penguinone (Penguinone is an organic compound with the molecular formula C ₁₀H ₁₄O. Its name comes from the fact that its 2-dimensional molecular structure resembles a penguin), Cummingtonite ( a magnesium-iron silicate hydroxide metamorphic amphibole mineral). Piloerection (The technical term for goosebump). I honestly have more, but I think you get my point.
@@bloglazer9410 I feel like changing one word in one line of dialogue from 'Tuvixing' to 'Symbiogenesis', a word that was already used in Voyager, ain't too big of an ask to make it seem less dumb.
Have you worked in the tech field? These are people who seriously classify processor architectures as "big-endian" and "little-endian" depending on their byte order for integer representation, in reference to an eighteenth-century satirical novel. Half a byte is called a nibble, unwanted junk messages are called spam - inspired by an old sketch by Monty Python, the same British comedy group for which the Python programming language is named. Someone invented a new pointing device back in the 60s, decided the wire poking out from it looked like a tail, and called it a mouse. In networking we have such terms as 'bogon packets' and 'martian.' Engineers would absolutely name this scenario 'being Tuvixed.'
'I'm sure Janeway had a solution to this."
Voyager fans: *nervous laughter*
Yeaaaaah there a reason janeway does not talk alot about her adventures when her ship was lost
I LOVE the fact that Shax immediately points out that they are in completely different circumstances compared to voyager. What Janeway did was morally dubious, yes, but considering they were stranded hard decisions had to be made, and she chose to restore 2 crew members at the expense of 1. They don’t have to do that.
The needs of the many...
Ironically, the different circumstances also played against them. T'ana is already combative and cynical, combined with Billups' neurosis and far more fearful mindset, it created someone who was quite paranoid and refused to listen.
Technically, they only really need their medical scans, and the teleporter logs.
Bare in mind, when teleporting, every one of your atoms is scanned, remembered, energized, beamed to a new location, reassembled from the computers _memory,_ and the converted from energy back into matter.
More than just atoms, though, that computer needs a detailed scan of the chemical engrams in your brain (or else, every transport, you show up with a _human_ brain, but not *_YOUR_* brain)
Basic fix to this is to capture the scan logues, use them with their most recent medical scan on file, and rebuild the two people with a large enough replicator and the requisite biomass.
Truthfully, there's nothing stopping _that_ from being the best/fastest method of cloning, in the galaxy. - Boom - Exact copy of you - Boom - Exact copy of you
Janeway brought back her friend Tuvok and her Chief of Security
@@kevinhart8339and fixed an accident
First time when Freeman says "No, she just murdered him!" I laughed out loud. This episode handled revisiting this part of Voyager history well I think. Watching Voyager I always knew I would've made the same choice Janeway did but I've also always known that they basically killed an individual for it. But it's a fair point that since they aren't stranded in the Delta quadrant that they could afford to pursue other options first.
I never understood killed an individual part , like he lives on with them by tuvix's logic
"Janeway didn't mess around."
No, no she did not. Actually, looking at Prodigy Season 1 and 2, she STILL doesn't mess around.
Uh, which Janeway? Holo-Janeway or Admiral Janeway?
@@ThaFriendsZone Think it was more Holo-Janeway sincr she thought of the "clean house" solution, that and Admiral Janeway mellowed down a bit after she got a clear picture
@@ThaFriendsZoneShort answer...yes
As they say, there is the right way, the wrong way and the Janeway.
Are you being sarcastic?
Love the jaunty walk they give Neelix, lol
Omg the "Are you chewing gum???" got me because I work in a museum and gum is the worst.
I feel like there is a simple solution to this.
1. Sedate the Tuvixed person.
2. Make a transporter duplicate.
3. Separate one of the transporter duplicates before the sedation wears off.
You get to have your two people back, the Tuvixed person gets to live, and the duplicate that is killed off was never even aware of its own existence so it reduces the morality issues significantly.
The multi-track drifting solution to the Tuvix trolley problem.
That’s actually a not so janeway fix to a problem that shouldn’t have existed
I have never understood why more people were not "duplicated." Even if in secret, star trek can alter memories and faces. Imagine just instantly producing hundreds if not thousands of troops from one single run about.
If the Tuvixed individual hadn't panicked and set off a series of events that lead to a bunch of people becoming a non-sentient blob of people, that probably would be something they tried.
As explored in the show, Janeway was isolated and few options. Safely in Federation space, they could have brought into the resources and minds to successfully solve the issue.
@@ericwilliams1659 We may have never seen it canonically but it isn't unreasonably to assume that S31 at least experimented with it.
Got to hand it them. Ti'illips worked out a pretty decent strategy here.
ti'llips is evil he tried to creat more transporter hybrids.
@@joeswanson733 Ti'illips was scared and thought he was going to die... also he's half T'ana so he's gotta be feeling pretty cranky as it is.
what this shows is they should have set voyager to self destruct once all was settled, INSTEAD of bringing it to earth. that cursed hulk is a deathship.
the easy answer would be to transporter-clone them while splitting them up.
Still be murdering a person tho. The clone would their own individual. It's an easy answer but still has the same ethical problem.
@@ixaldorran7867 technically yes tech technically no. Specifically when the transporter turns you to energy to spawn you in it needs to essentially take its stored data and clone you. So once they were beamed in you could separate them like they planned while also spawning the clone.
@@ixaldorran7867 I would say it depends on how long they had an independent experience. If it's just patterns in the transporter buffer that are getting duplicated and split there never is any individual that experiences "dying".
That's just killing more people. But then again, every transport is murder, so 🤷♂️
Yes, it would be a simple matter of deliberately recreating two entirely seperate once in a blue moon transporter accidents and mashing them together.
2:20 😂😂😂😂😂😂 GOD his face
Their face, maybe? Tuvixing makes pronouns quite the puzzle.
@Brasswatchman regardless, could you imagine how awkward it would have been to have naughty memories with someone you love?
@@mnf2139don’t forget, half of Tilips is somebody else entirely.
From their perspective, imagine gaining somebody else’s memories then being asked that same question.
2:24 is much better
2:24 oh yes i love that part
she enjoys accurate labels? T'lyn is out of control
That's what I love about T'Lyn's character. She sounds like a normal, mature adult, able to express emotion. Most Vulcans sound like they don't even have the maturity of a 6-year old without even a basic understanding of how emotions work.
Notice that Janeway's logs aren't already stored in the Cerritos computer and Freeman has to specifically request them from the curator? How much you wanna bet Starfleet did that to cover up the bloody swathe of chaos and death that she carved across the Delta Quadrant? Future Starfleet missions to the Delta Quadrant will almost certainly be diplomacy focused, as they try to convince the locals that not all Starfleet captains are evil Queens hyped up on too much caffeine and a little too willing to make alliances with the Borg.
Seriously, she's the best Anti-Starfleet propaganda out there.
One of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard
@@calmsquirrel7124 - Did you see everyone on the Cerritos's reaction to what she did to Tuvix?
@@daniels7907 I haven’t watched lower decks but I think what she did to tuvix was justified
May I introduce you to Star Trek Online.... Fortunately for Star fleet they arrive in the middle of a war and the Romulans (Long story) and the Klingons were there to help with the mess.
Also Nelix passed the last 30 years trying to set the record straight.
I love that Lower Decks called it like it way and doesn't try to excuse Janeway for her crime.
Yup. I'm not usually a Janeway basher, but that was flat-out murder of a sapient being, and she honestly should have been court-martialled for it on return to Earth. But I guess crippling the Borg on the way home is enough to make Starfleet overlook some things.
@@antonbrakhage490I disagree, kneelix and Tuvok wouldn’t have want that to be their fate, the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many
@@antonbrakhage490nah. She killed him, but it wasn't unlawful, she corrected an accident.
@@kbanghart She killed a sapient being against their will. There isn't really a perfect real world parallel to someone being Tuvixed, so its hard to make a comparison, but I get real edgy when people justify killing other people using dehumanizing language (ie, "accident").
@@antonbrakhage490 edgy ooooo 😱
I never claimed it wasn't against his will. I also didn't say she didn't kill him. I just said it wasn't unlawful.
Is reminds me of that weird Garfield movie. The one with the super hero’s, and the body swap zombies.
ah crap a Code Tuvix
I think there is something clever about the fact that a show from "the twenties" likes to make references to "the 70s", "the 80s" etc, given the fact that not only do those terms mean very different things in universe and out, "the twenties" means something different now and in the future.
This is the most messed up Fusion
I never felt separating Tuvix back to Tuvok and Neelix as killing Tuvix. I saw it like factoring a number. But I'm glad others see it as problem. This made for a hilarious espisode. 😂
Well then that’s certainly a demoralizing way to get the crew’s opinion of you if you consider the splitting of a live, sentient, begging-to-live, organism as merely factoring a number instead of the moral conundrum it is to these people.
@@AlexanderVonish Star Trek failed to talk about a splinter group of Human. I always wish that one of the conflict where humans - truly share ancestry of United Earth, decided that the Federation ideal is stupid, and grow strong enough to challenge them.
question i never thought of til now; we know transporters can create clones right? Like Riker and so many others.
If killing the combined entity is "bad", why not create a transporter clone and diffuse one of those clones into the constituent members, while preserving the combined entity
Transporter Clones are also still sentient people, so you still have the exact same problem.
The solution i suppose would be to somehow deliberately cause a Transporter clone situation wherein 3 people come out the other end: the Tuvix'd individual, and both their original parts.
@@slashharkiri4581 that's what I'm saying yeah, put the combined one in the buffer, then create recreate the individuals by deconstructing a copy of the buffer pattern so that 3 come out the other end.
Tho let's be honest, no one survives being atomized, turned to energy, rearranged in a computer, then reassembled, they're all clones
@@slashharkiri4581If you could deliberately create the circumstances that makes transporter clones you could do the Janeway thing at the same time - the Tuvixed individual remains behind and the original people come out the other end. The only reason Janeway's fix was murder was because Tuvix never got reconstituted on the other end, but if they're never disassembled in the first place it's all sorted.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 ... that still basically lobotomizing someone. face it there a reason why Janeway didn't have ALOT of option back in delta quadrant.
Eh, same moral problem since you are still killing a sapient being but could be worked around by splitting a clone of them while in transport before they ever gain consciousness.
Riker had a transporter clone, why not Tuvix?
They didn’t say anything about the flower in Voyager
Anyone notice the moral problem of Rutherford trying to, "kill" his younger self? Talk about a, "Tuvix" situation!
Also, why doesn't Shaxs get his eye replaced or does he ENJOY being half blind??
On DS9 there was an episode that involved a Bajoran guy who lost his arm rescuing Kira back in their resistance days. Federation doctors offered to replace it for him, but he decided to not do it because he offered up his life to the Prophets in exchange for rescuing Kira and he believed the Prophets had decided to only take his arm instead of his life. Shax might be doing something similar.
In Rutherford's case it was more antagonistic with neither wanting to be replaced. And after they had time to talk he was begging his younger self to hold on so they could a new body for him, but Young Sam chose to let go because he saw his older self had the happiness that always eluded him.
This exact scenario already exists irl; if someone is mentally disturbed, or on drugs, they are judged incapable of making rational decisions and remanded to custody of someone else.
A tuvix is essentially two people who have been mentally compromised/drugged. It's not murder to take someone off drugs, even if it completely changes their personality as a result.
They're still a wholly sentient being that proves themselves capable at their job and expresses a will to day the way they are. They don't struggle with identity nearly as much as if it were two brains in one body fighting for control. It's a new person, albeit created unconventionalally. I disagree that this is like being on drugs.
@@coffeelich5003 Who says someone on drugs can't be competent? Stephen King wrote the entirety of Cujo while high on cocaine, and literally has no memory of writing it. Was that written by a completely different person?
@demiserofd I guess the distinction here is "did drug induced Mr. King" express interest in keeping his own existence constant and was it a wholly separate consciousness from Stephen himself. Also, drugs wearing off is not a conscious decision, but separating a merged being is, so there's more moral implication behind the action.
@@coffeelich5003 Most people on drugs are very invested in staying on drugs. The fact normal drugs wear off doesn't really change the metaphor, though.
That is a hell of a lot of drastic rationalizing, not to mention your analogy is extreme ablism for arguing that someone who is "mentally disturbed" (a hell of a broad/vague term) automatically loses all rights to freedom of choice, bodily autonomy, and even life. And honestly makes me wonder how many people who defend Janeway's decision would be down with extreme human rights abuses in real life. Reported for hate speech.
Love our gunho captain but she has a nasty habit of saying I instead of we like she is the only capable person on the ship. Well like mother like Daughter, Means well but thinks she knows best. Mother knows best like a 50's tv show
Janeway made the right decision. This is indisputable.
Why would not being in the Delta Quadrant matter? You still have to decide whether to leave them fused together or not. The only way I could think it would matter is if you could create a transporter clone and separate the two from that one, but that usually involves very specific circumstances that are impossible to create at will. You can't just take a pill and make the problem go away.
More resources at their disposal, more professionals to talk to, more opinions to consult and find a “moral” solution here where everything looks good, and most importantly, if a tough choice needs to be made, you can leave it to someone else to make the choice, and if that choice is to get both back, then you can say your hands are clean, while if the choice is to leave them as one person, you can argue for more research to be done.
Being in the Delta Quadrant mattered because they were alone on a ship with limited power and not enough crew. They HAD to 'kill' Tuvix because without Tuvok they lacked the necessary man they needed to get back home alive.
But being back home, they can talk to other people and find another solution to this situation without any easy answers. Janeway didn't have that.
Because they can literally do what they did with The Dog and Boimler, call in the Section 14 experts and have 'em chill at the Farm while someone figures out how to reconfigure a pattern buffer to make 1 divide into 3.
"Send me a copy of Janeway's logs"
Errm...wouldn't you want to see the Doctor's logs? It was him that designed the procedure to separate the pair. Or better yet, why not just call in the Doctor? Even if he's a ways away, He's a hologram. You can transmit him to your ship easily.
"It's called being Tuvixed"
I do not believe for one second that the highly scientific and rational organization that is Starfleet would call it being fucking Tuvixed. When someone's murdered we don't called it being 'Cain & Abled.' When you take Penicillin you aren't 'Flemminging'. There must have been a better, more scientific name they could use.
Dude, alot of stuff in real life have stupid ass names, take the Dongle. And stsarfleet can be highly stupid at time, like Beaming The Entire Crew Down To A Planet...With A Planet Killer Nearby ALA Commodore Matt Decker.
@@bloglazer9410 And how many of those stupid names are official scientific names? Plus I just realized, there IS a more scientific name for what happened with Tuvix. Symbiogenesis. It's the term they use on Voyager, so there is literally no reason for them to call it 'Tuvixing'
@@TheIllusiveMan11 (Pulls eyes glasses) Turdus maximus (Scientific name of the Tibetan Blackbird), Penguinone (Penguinone is an organic compound with the molecular formula C ₁₀H ₁₄O. Its name comes from the fact that its 2-dimensional molecular structure resembles a penguin), Cummingtonite ( a magnesium-iron silicate hydroxide metamorphic amphibole mineral). Piloerection (The technical term for goosebump).
I honestly have more, but I think you get my point.
@@bloglazer9410 I feel like changing one word in one line of dialogue from 'Tuvixing' to 'Symbiogenesis', a word that was already used in Voyager, ain't too big of an ask to make it seem less dumb.
Have you worked in the tech field? These are people who seriously classify processor architectures as "big-endian" and "little-endian" depending on their byte order for integer representation, in reference to an eighteenth-century satirical novel. Half a byte is called a nibble, unwanted junk messages are called spam - inspired by an old sketch by Monty Python, the same British comedy group for which the Python programming language is named. Someone invented a new pointing device back in the 60s, decided the wire poking out from it looked like a tail, and called it a mouse. In networking we have such terms as 'bogon packets' and 'martian.' Engineers would absolutely name this scenario 'being Tuvixed.'
I would want my gf(?) back and friend I could care less about the homunculus and its feelings
What a trash show
It's comedy. Looks pretty funny to me
Wrong. It’s hilarious