" With the larger props it increases the Thrust from 74 grams to 94 grams; Flight time increases from 3 to 4 minutes." Theese are the right info that makes your channel a reference! Great, John! Have a nice 2021!
The Mobula 6 platform has a lot going for it. A lot lighter, better camera, More range 260 meters, with a 450mah more flight time. the only thing it doesn't have is more power 93 grams vs 172 grams.
Sure, the runcam nano is nicer/lighter, but for the overall price, the M7 will still be more powerful on 2S and you can still run it indoors on larger 1S. You bought four M6's so I guess price wasn't really a concern.
John, thank you for another very clear video. My aim is indoor acrobatics rather than longer flight times. I would greatly appreciate your opinion please: - Would this 75mm frame swap (with more thrust potential) be better for indoor acro than the original Mob6 19K? - Would 4-blade props increase the controllability? - Would this be better than an Eachine Trashcan (2S) for indoor acrobatics?
Hey John. Would that be possible to convert this 65mm Mobula 6 with 19k motors into something more like a cruiser with larger two-bladed props to maximize the flying time from this build...? I know they aimed to make it an acro race drone but those motors could be good for increased flying times if properly configured with propeller size to this lightweight build.. isn't it?
Hi, John. Thanks for the video! I did what you showed,. And while I was able to take off - I can't really fly. Vibrations make it super uncomfortable to fly. I haven't found that anyone from videos above had mentioned that effect, so I assume it's problem with mine only. Does anyone know how to fix that? I install back 31mm props and it flies on 75mm just fine. Slightly more bulky than on native 65mm frame, but no vibration. Juggling comes when I install 40mm 4 blade props. The props are new. If you have flying version of 75mm mobula 6 - could you please share betaflight dump if that's not much on inconvenience for you? many thanks.
No, I have used 19, 22 and 25000kv on my Mobulite, all work great with decent flight times on jesc fw. The 25000kv can be a bit fast for tight indoors, though, but on the other hand, they handle outdoors acro like pros. No more washouts!
Hey John, dont the larger props from the mob 7 draw more amps from the 300 mah 1s ? How were you able to get more flight time than a stock mob 6 w larger props ?
The main difference is the converted Mobula 6 is a lot lighter and flies better inside. Because the M6 is lighter it gets longer flight times. The original Mobula 7 is a 15 month old design where the modified M6 is only 3 month old design so better camera longer range. The Mobula 7 on 1S only has a thrust of 80g and P/W ratio of 1.9 where the M6 has a thrust of 93 grams and power to weight ratio of 3.2.
When you say longer flight times, was it because of a bigger mah battery on the 75? Or did you use the same 300mah for both? Thanks! Planning to do this real soon!
Franz A.D. Morales with the same 300 mah batteries you will get longer flight times because the bigger props spin at lower rpm and are more efficient. Times should increase from 2.5 minutes to a little over 3 minutes. If you use 450 mah you should get over 4 minutes
@@franza.d.morales8529 Frank, I was wondering what that ESC hack does to the flight characteristics? I would think they tune those puppies pretty close to where any more and you fry an ESC, any less and your put- putting around?? Does anyone know what the long term effect on those kind of hacks too? By the way, I'm doing the swap with the Mobula 7's V3 frame and I was going to try GNB's 520's and 650's. They're the same size as the 450's. I have 2 6's now though and man I start to wonder if this is worth it.....? Only because right now I'm Loving the little 6!!! For 1s, it does great acro flying! I'm going to keep one at the 65mm and fly them back to back. Good luck with your 6!
I only have one Meteor 65 so waiting for another 20% off sale to purchase the Meteor 75 which is similar to the conversion I just did but the motors are bigger 1102's.
@@jmoore3854 yeah that thing looks pretty sweet too bad they don't make a flysky protocol. Those motors are going to add 4 grams to the build. I just built one with the betafpv 0802 22000 kv and previously had the happymodel 0802 22000kv and the betafpv ones are alot stronger. Look forward to a review on the meteor 75 from you
@@jmoore3854 Hey John, my name is Chris, from Detroit. Just east of you, on Michigan Ave. Lol. I talk with Nick, as well a lot of the other pilots in his comments. Very nice job on your swap experiment! I was wondering if you thought of or tried any other 75mm frames? I prefer the Mobula 7's V3 frame. I thought it was a much sturdier of a frame. Similar to the Cockroach frames. Impossible to destroy. Anyway, I just got 2 Mobula 6's, one 19k and one 25k. I plan on taking your experiment a few steps further. I'm going to try a few more prop variations. As well as the V3 frame. I also am thinking about going with a little bigger of a battery...., What are your thoughts on something bigger than 350mAh? I know once you go to the 450' s the weight increases. The thing is, with GNB, they have such a great flight time and they have 520's and 650's, which are the same size. I'm not sure how they do that or if it's a little bit of Chinese Trickery?? I would think that almost double the mAh, minus the little extra weight, you should get some real long flight times. It may be a tad slower. I was thinking maybe throw a 650mAh on the first run. To get warmer up and get in the zone. Well anyway, I just wanted to say hi and it's great to see a guy older than me have so much fun with these little Whoops. Usually, I'm the elder. I believe it keeps us young. Take care!
Nick and Nate said not a good idea,. The 25K model is already at the limit pushing out 94 grams of thrust at over 10 amps. My guess with 40mm props would put out 110 grams of thrust at around 14 amps. This would cause a voltage sag below 3 volts which will cause a failsafe. But someone needs to try it.
@@jmoore3854 No idea why the two say that ??? With Gemfan Triblades I only need 30% to float instead of 40% before, the current load has also dropped from 4.2A to 3.7A !!! Flight time with 333mAh / 450mAh MyLipo (NonHV Lipos) 4min / 5min indoor (quickly). However, I also use JESC 48khz / Emuflight / EMockula 6 Tune from Project Mockingbird;) The big weak point of Mobula 6 is, in my opinion, the VTX / SPI (Flysky), which is slowly driving me crazy! My modded 3year old Eachine H8 Mini has a better SPI range, no joke !!!
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I love that you post your thrust measurements! Thank you for this video!!!
" With the larger props it increases the Thrust from 74 grams to 94 grams; Flight time increases from 3 to 4 minutes."
Theese are the right info that makes your channel a reference! Great, John! Have a nice 2021!
Thanks, glad you like my channel. I am an engineer and I love numbers and what makes various model good.
@@jmoore3854 Hi john, we both are engineers(at this point I think you have understod this). And as you I like numbers :) (PS: sorry for my english)
Hi John, great detailed description of this interesting conversion.
All the weight and thrust figures are much appreciated :)
Very cool! I was wondering about this kind of upgrade. You answered. Thanks
Excellent work man! Definitely gonna try this out myself!👍🏽
I put my Mob6 on a zerogravity frame like Nick Burns did. Its awesome!!
Florida Wildlife i just ordered an r3d conversion frame. any differences worth noting? where in florida? orlando here 🤙🏾
@@wait..what. You can hit some real small gaps!
I highly appreciate, that you use metrical units! Great video too!
Great, do you keep the same motors, wont it increase the amp, would the FC able to handle bigger props?
did you have any vibrations after the upgrade? I've upgraded mine and can't rely fly because of vibrations.
Interesting conversion, but from a power, flight time, value perspective, why not just get a Mobula7 and fly it with 2S?
I think difference purposes, this sacrifices size but gains efficiency versus the mobula 6. The mobula 7 is more like a safer acro quad on 2s
The Mobula 6 platform has a lot going for it. A lot lighter, better camera, More range 260 meters, with a 450mah more flight time. the only thing it doesn't have is more power 93 grams vs 172 grams.
Sure, the runcam nano is nicer/lighter, but for the overall price, the M7 will still be more powerful on 2S and you can still run it indoors on larger 1S. You bought four M6's so I guess price wasn't really a concern.
John, thank you for another very clear video. My aim is indoor acrobatics rather than longer flight times. I would greatly appreciate your opinion please:
- Would this 75mm frame swap (with more thrust potential) be better for indoor acro than the original Mob6 19K?
- Would 4-blade props increase the controllability?
- Would this be better than an Eachine Trashcan (2S) for indoor acrobatics?
For max acrobatics I like the 25k Mob6, the 75mm frame swap 2nd, mob6 19k 3rd with trashcan last.
Hey John. Would that be possible to convert this 65mm Mobula 6 with 19k motors into something more like a cruiser with larger two-bladed props to maximize the flying time from this build...? I know they aimed to make it an acro race drone but those motors could be good for increased flying times if properly configured with propeller size to this lightweight build.. isn't it?
Hey guys is there a durable replacement frame you all using? And what are the best 2 bladed prop?
Great vid!im doing this swap this week!
Did you adjust the tune after you moved to the larger frame?
I left the tune the same and it works good
Great job, Any changes on the battery? Whats the battery used on new Mobula7 frame, can I used 2s battery, will it increase the flight time?
Interesting project, though quite a bit of jello. I suspect the props are the main cause, maybe try some GemFan instead?
Hi, John. Thanks for the video! I did what you showed,. And while I was able to take off - I can't really fly. Vibrations make it super uncomfortable to fly. I haven't found that anyone from videos above had mentioned that effect, so I assume it's problem with mine only. Does anyone know how to fix that? I install back 31mm props and it flies on 75mm just fine. Slightly more bulky than on native 65mm frame, but no vibration. Juggling comes when I install 40mm 4 blade props. The props are new. If you have flying version of 75mm mobula 6 - could you please share betaflight dump if that's not much on inconvenience for you? many thanks.
Why aren't people using the 25k? Just to much draw for the 1s board?
No, I have used 19, 22 and 25000kv on my Mobulite, all work great with decent flight times on jesc fw.
The 25000kv can be a bit fast for tight indoors, though, but on the other hand, they handle outdoors acro like pros. No more washouts!
@@marathi22 what battery do u use?
Great video👍 I love my mobula 6 but the jello on the camera is a little disappointing....
I was a little disappointed too. Any luck fixing it?
Detroit Drone Company I swapped the camera and canopy.
Hey John, dont the larger props from the mob 7 draw more amps from the 300 mah 1s ?
How were you able to get more flight time than a stock mob 6 w larger props ?
The larger props spin slower for the same power so they are more efficient. That is why the moblite7 can get 10 minutes of flight time.
love your channel 🥰 could you give some of your insight into this conversion vs. a mobula7 on 1s? thanks 🙏🏾
The main difference is the converted Mobula 6 is a lot lighter and flies better inside. Because the M6 is lighter it gets longer flight times. The original Mobula 7 is a 15 month old design where the modified M6 is only 3 month old design so better camera longer range. The Mobula 7 on 1S only has a thrust of 80g and P/W ratio of 1.9 where the M6 has a thrust of 93 grams and power to weight ratio of 3.2.
Could you please give a link to the frame and props? Thanks!
I added links to frame and props in description.
@@jmoore3854 Thank you Sir!
When you say longer flight times, was it because of a bigger mah battery on the 75? Or did you use the same 300mah for both? Thanks! Planning to do this real soon!
Franz A.D. Morales with the same 300 mah batteries you will get longer flight times because the bigger props spin at lower rpm and are more efficient. Times should increase from 2.5 minutes to a little over 3 minutes. If you use 450 mah you should get over 4 minutes
That's awesome. I have JESC 48khz and am getting 4mins now on the 65 frame with 300mah. Looking forward to making the swap!
@@franza.d.morales8529 Frank, I was wondering what that ESC hack does to the flight characteristics? I would think they tune those puppies pretty close to where any more and you fry an ESC, any less and your put- putting around?? Does anyone know what the long term effect on those kind of hacks too? By the way, I'm doing the swap with the Mobula 7's V3 frame and I was going to try GNB's 520's and 650's. They're the same size as the 450's. I have 2 6's now though and man I start to wonder if this is worth it.....? Only because right now I'm Loving the little 6!!! For 1s, it does great acro flying! I'm going to keep one at the 65mm and fly them back to back. Good luck with your 6!
@@franza.d.morales8529 Hi, could you give some link about this topic/modification? ( JESC 48khz i mean, I am a newbie...)
Hi John Moore, folks , can this flight with 2s tiny batteries 300 mAh ?
MikeDroneUfo this model only runs on 1S if you want a 2S model get the Mobula7
Do this same build but put the betafpv 22000kv 0802s on it.
I only have one Meteor 65 so waiting for another 20% off sale to purchase the Meteor 75 which is similar to the conversion I just did but the motors are bigger 1102's.
@@jmoore3854 yeah that thing looks pretty sweet too bad they don't make a flysky protocol. Those motors are going to add 4 grams to the build. I just built one with the betafpv 0802 22000 kv and previously had the happymodel 0802 22000kv and the betafpv ones are alot stronger. Look forward to a review on the meteor 75 from you
@@jmoore3854 Hey John, my name is Chris, from Detroit. Just east of you, on Michigan Ave. Lol. I talk with Nick, as well a lot of the other pilots in his comments. Very nice job on your swap experiment! I was wondering if you thought of or tried any other 75mm frames? I prefer the Mobula 7's V3 frame. I thought it was a much sturdier of a frame. Similar to the Cockroach frames. Impossible to destroy.
Anyway, I just got 2 Mobula 6's, one 19k and one 25k. I plan on taking your experiment a few steps further. I'm going to try a few more prop variations. As well as the V3 frame. I also am thinking about going with a little bigger of a battery...., What are your thoughts on something bigger than 350mAh? I know once you go to the 450' s the weight increases. The thing is, with GNB, they have such a great flight time and they have 520's and 650's, which are the same size. I'm not sure how they do that or if it's a little bit of Chinese Trickery?? I would think that almost double the mAh, minus the little extra weight, you should get some real long flight times. It may be a tad slower. I was thinking maybe throw a 650mAh on the first run. To get warmer up and get in the zone. Well anyway, I just wanted to say hi and it's great to see a guy older than me have so much fun with these little Whoops. Usually, I'm the elder. I believe it keeps us young. Take care!
Is or a good idea to do the conversion on 25k model?
Nick and Nate said not a good idea,. The 25K model is already at the limit pushing out 94 grams of thrust at over 10 amps. My guess with 40mm props would put out 110 grams of thrust at around 14 amps. This would cause a voltage sag below 3 volts which will cause a failsafe. But someone needs to try it.
@@jmoore3854 thanks for the explanation 😊
@@jmoore3854
No idea why the two say that ???
With Gemfan Triblades I only need 30% to float instead of 40% before, the current load has also dropped from 4.2A to 3.7A !!!
Flight time with 333mAh / 450mAh MyLipo (NonHV Lipos) 4min / 5min indoor (quickly).
However, I also use JESC 48khz / Emuflight / EMockula 6 Tune from Project Mockingbird;)
The big weak point of Mobula 6 is, in my opinion, the VTX / SPI (Flysky), which is slowly driving me crazy!
My modded 3year old Eachine H8 Mini has a better SPI range, no joke !!!
Wow my meteor75 is 10 grams heavier. 1102s though