I own quite a few quads. And since I got a mobula 6 it seems to be all I fly. Does pretty much everything. And it is one hell of a teaching tool. You can full send this thing into the grass with no damage
Great side by side testing.The spreadsheet is a nice touch.It's hard to remember all the players and stats without a scorecard.Thanks for putting all the info together in one place.
Hey John, from Chicago. ;) I just wanted to leave a THANK YOU for the effort and time you put into your videos. I just came across your video because I bought a mobula6 myself and I loved watching your video. In general I see that the FPV community is very kind and helping eachother but still your videos have another twist. I love how you approach the topic and your calm nature. I hope you will make many more videos and am looking forward for whats up to come. All the best from germany to Chicago and stay safe these weird days. You've got my subscription.
Get whichever one is in stock. They are both good . The 1900 is good for anything. As long as your off the throttle when inverted you can dive and roll to your hearts content a few ft from the ground and pull out just fine
I use my 19k inside and 25k outside, and would choose so accordingly. More flight time beats extra thrust if you’re whooping the house, as I get an extra minute of flight. If you’re a racer, or plan to do outdoor acro more than flying inside, go 25k. For me it’s 19k all day.
Hi @John Moore You should try update the ESC controllers to 48 kHz PWM and see how that is affected by the motor KVs. It makes a huge difference on smaller whoops. My trashcan's flight time increased from 3 minutes to 5:30!!
awesome video, I just stumbled upon you on RDQ site question/Answer section. I instantly subscribed to you with all notifications on. It's great to see someone like you and at your age into this awesome hobby. You are very knowledgeable too and I appreciate your input. Thank you very much. :)
Thank you for this very interesting comparaison. I have received today the racer modele with 25kv. I wish you all the best for the new years. Sincerely fabien
Hey John from Chicago.. i really like your review especially the thrust test.... very innovative. I could never record myself on video... i would look like a bumbling idiot. Great show...
Also note during the hover test (~4:35) the 25k is averaging 1A more draw the entire time. Explains the shorter flight time of the 25k and pretty much makes me choose the 19k. ... At least for my first Mobula...
John from Chicago you should come out to Drink night club this Friday at 8 to race some whoops. It's in Shaumburg! Great vid! Love the mob on 25k definitely has some pep.
Connor Cunningham love to come out to race at the bar. I am in Florida this week do you race every Friday at the bar I can make another Friday evening. I am not that good yet but racing at a bar is always fun. John from Chicago
@@jmoore3854 we race every Friday and Sunday. Right now Friday's are at Drink Night Club but they might switch to Gameworks. Sunday's we switch between Playoffs Bar and Grill in Carol Stream and Asylum Skate Park in Lake Bluff. Lots of fun and all skill levels are welcomed with open arms! If you join the Chicagolandfpv group on the multigp.com site you can see the full race schedule.
Nice stats ..you can change the lipo connection to the new BetaFPV connectors and get much better flight times. These little folded pin connectors kills puffs lipos if you run them a few seconds to long!!
Allen Nickles looking at adding the BT2 connector so M6 will have both types of battery connectors. I also ordered 4 or 5 batteries of different brands and sizes to see what works the best. Thanks for the suggestion
Hey John, check out Albert Kim's recent video about flashing the ESCs with 48khz firmware. I get significantly longer flight times on my 19k kv Mobula 6, reaching 5 minutes on the included 300 mah battery.
Thanks Omar may try it later, they fly so good as they are. You know what they say is if it's not broke don't fix it. When I am looking for more flight time might try it.
I also improved my flight time with jesc and BF4.1 BF 4.0 BLHeli 16.7 jesc and BF4.1 Happymodel 300mAh brand new 0:03:14 0:05:17 GNB 350mAh brand new 0:02:58 0:05:01 GNB 300mAh months old 0:02:42 0:04:36
@@Quick-Flash I was thinking that might be a future step as well. Can you quantify longer? 5%? Also Project Mockingbird (Patrick) plans to use Emuflight for the Mobula6 PMB.
Great stuff John. Not sure if you have heard about the JESC 48khz that can increase flight time by some 30%. I have yet to see any factual test or conclusive evidence like you have brought fourth. It would be awesome is you could test this new ESC firmware and either confirm or dispell the claim. I personally have been using the JESC 2.3 for Whoop on my Mobula 6 and I can tell a noticeable improvement but dont have that same kind of discipline you have in all of your testing videos. Anyway with the Mobula 6 being so popular right now thought it would make for some great content.
Very good. In my case (beginner), I will buy the 19k, because he spends more time flying. And what would be the best batery? 300 mAh? Switch to 350 mAh, 400 mAh? Thanks.
Excellent video - I'm curious how much reflashing the ESCs to 48kHz would help with flight time, especially if you're willing to run biblades (trim the 1219 props). I suspect the peak thrust may not be quite as high, but it seems to keep up extraordinarily well.
Great, easy to understand and effective comparison John. Appreciate it! If you want the best of both worlds, would it be OK to get the 25k model, and set up a second profile with a throttle limit? Would that work?
Hi John. This is Ted from Chicago. Just out of curiosity do you have any moblite 6 that you would be interested in selling? New to this , thanks for your videos!
Hi John, first of all: nice video. Clear, good and really helpful. I hope you make more of 'em But, i have a question. I cant decide between the Mobula 6 (19.000 kv) or the UZ65. I don't now i you have some information about the UZ but hopefully you could help me out.
Louis they are both great whoops and you can't go wrong with either. I did a video on the UZ65 and the link is at th-cam.com/video/zlFGKnZ7KYI/w-d-xo.html I really like the idea of trimming in the flight control board so the prop size can be increased from 31 to 35 mm and still keep the overall size of the whoop the same at 65mm. The UZ65 flies a little better and most of the reviews say they like the way it handles better than the M6. I have not seen many people switch over to it. The two problems that I have with it is it is 2 grams heavier than the M6 and the motor wires are direct soldered which would make them more difficult to replace. A third tiny whoop to look at is the Eachine AE65. I am doing a review on that now and hope to have a review of the best 12 tiny whoops out in a month. The AE65 has all the latest updates with the only problem it has a new battery connector which most people find it harder to use.
Can you stick a slightly larger battery in it to get longer flight times? I think the std. battery is just over 200mah .. I've seen similar batteries up to 500 mah. Probably not interested in HV batteries, as I've found that those just don't last very long. By now, you may have tried some larger batteries? What say you? Nice review!
my stars, am i glad i came apon your video. very enjoyable super professional and in-lightening. (get it, light ha...ha..)and this is a rocket ship 88==========>
Thank you for the review John. I'm unsure if 25k or 19k is right for me. If I were to buy the 25k, can I effectively downgrade it to 19k by setting the maximum throttle to 76%?
Yes you can. I have a 2S whoop that would shoot thru the roof if i didnt scale the throttle back to 60%. I have the 19000Kv. For me it has plenty of thrust but i dont fly it outside. In my opinion thats what 2S or 3S whoops are for.. Just my opinion..
Did I read the stats correct? The Mobula6 19,000kv on 1s, was faster on the track than the mobula7 on 2s? I'm not a speed racer, but that's pretty impressive! I ordered the 19k Mobula6. But it's strictly for indoors. I lost a tinyhawk to the wind gods last year... Lesson learned. 😂 Thanks for the update!
Not right I was comparing the Mobula 6 19KV to the Mobula 6 25KV both were 1S.The 19KV model was 0.6 seconds faster per lap because I was flying it at 100% throttle and the 25KV model was only be raced at 50% throttle. Normally the 25KV model would be about a second faster per lap 12 seconds vs 13 seconds.
John Moore copy that...I was comparing the flight time of all your stats. You have the Mobula 7 on 2s you have at 12seconds. You must have been flying half throttle in that flight as well. Great to know that you can have that much control on full throttle with the 19k as well. Can't go wrong with either! Thanks for the comparison.
i highly recommend the 19000kv version over the 25000kv version for all types of flying. I'm currently running 85% throttle cap on my 19000kv build and still have more power than I need to get fast laps. If i remove the throttle cap it's hard to control elevation and be able to hit 20" gates.
other say that it is better to pick 25k kv and set 48k PWM, and by doing that you get more time than on 19k kv version. I dont have a tiny whoop and im thinking about getting that mobula 6.
@@brokenpropfpv8917 I'm sure that's a good option too for some. But it flies so great when stock... For me it's not worth the time to update fw and tune for any gains in flight time.
@@brokenpropfpv8917 I can't remember exactly. I think I can race near full throttle for about 3 minutes. They're is however a new feature in beta flight that provides with a much more consistent throttle response as the battery loses charge throughout the flight. That would be my only temptation in upgrading the firmware.
@@brokenpropfpv8917 landing a little early at 3.4v here.... Maybe 2:30 flight time for racing. Stock battery and connector. See my video link here th-cam.com/video/H4yFHituLqE/w-d-xo.html
Around the playground track I was able to fly the 19k model at or near 100% throttle without crashing where the 25k model that day when ever I got close to 100% throttle I would crash and could not get 3 consecutive laps in so they were about the same speed despite the 25k model being faster.
Hi John. This is Ted from Chicago. Just out of curiosity do you have any moblite 6 that you would be interested in selling? New to this , thanks for your videos!
just found this review as a random youtube suggestion. i like how fast you give the facts and you dont babble on between points :) subbed!
After seeing this, I hope TH-cam gives you some more traction. Nice job, John from Chicago.
I own quite a few quads. And since I got a mobula 6 it seems to be all I fly. Does pretty much everything. And it is one hell of a teaching tool. You can full send this thing into the grass with no damage
Great side by side testing.The spreadsheet is a nice touch.It's hard to remember all the players and stats without a scorecard.Thanks for putting all the info together in one place.
Hey John, from Chicago. ;) I just wanted to leave a THANK YOU for the effort and time you put into your videos. I just came across your video because I bought a mobula6 myself and I loved watching your video. In general I see that the FPV community is very kind and helping eachother but still your videos have another twist. I love how you approach the topic and your calm nature. I hope you will make many more videos and am looking forward for whats up to come. All the best from germany to Chicago and stay safe these weird days. You've got my subscription.
Just ordered the 19Kv version. Thank for your this awesome and detailed review.
Are you happy with it? Any negative thoughts?
Get whichever one is in stock. They are both good . The 1900 is good for anything. As long as your off the throttle when inverted you can dive and roll to your hearts content a few ft from the ground and pull out just fine
Best review ever.... direct to the facts. I like this format
Holy Smokes! Best review system I've seen yet.
The comparison of these 19k and 25k motors helped me a lot, thank you very much, very good video, greetings
I use my 19k inside and 25k outside, and would choose so accordingly. More flight time beats extra thrust if you’re whooping the house, as I get an extra minute of flight. If you’re a racer, or plan to do outdoor acro more than flying inside, go 25k. For me it’s 19k all day.
Great information,,might be most informed vid ,on kv battery lasting run times
Watching a year later hope your heath is gopd
Amazing. Liked and subscribed. The data, laid out logically and as precisely as needed. The spreadsheet is pure gold. Thank you John from Chicago.
I’ve been indecisive since m6 came out but your vid definitely gave me a more solid direction and understanding before spending my money. Thank you!
Are you happy with it? Any negatife thoughts?
Really excellent video. I"m buying both.
Great comparison. Excellent work here.
saw 10 seconds and felt like giving u a like keep up the good work. u remind me of my lovely grandpa:)
Hi @John Moore
You should try update the ESC controllers to 48 kHz PWM and see how that is affected by the motor KVs. It makes a huge difference on smaller whoops. My trashcan's flight time increased from 3 minutes to 5:30!!
You Sir, surely know what you are doin. A retired engineer, if I had to guess :-) Great videos, John!
I'm flying 12k on 2S, I swapped the FC on my 65 brushless!
A good four minutes of flight with this setup!
awesome video, I just stumbled upon you on RDQ site question/Answer section. I instantly subscribed to you with all notifications on. It's great to see someone like you and at your age into this awesome hobby. You are very knowledgeable too and I appreciate your input. Thank you very much. :)
Great review. Thanks a lot.
Just the video I been looking for. Time to watch
Thank you sir!
excellent video. thank you.
I the side by side and like the "makeshift" thrust gauge!
Exactly what I was looking for! Subscribed.
Just had to order one after a few revues, Thanks for sharing the info!
Really well-made review. Thank you!
Thank you for this very interesting comparaison. I have received today the racer modele with 25kv. I wish you all the best for the new years. Sincerely fabien
Factory Jesc 48khz flashed?
@@dcvshambhu How can you tell if its got 48khz already flashed. It would have to wouldn't it, if it had Betaflight 4.1 flashed?
thank you!
I appreciated your great review.
Great comparison video. I have the 19k on the way. Thanks for the info.
😎👍
Thanks John. You are a legend
Hey John from Chicago.. i really like your review especially the thrust test.... very innovative. I could never record myself on video... i would look like a bumbling idiot. Great show...
Great job on those test and comparison! 👍🏼👍🏼
Also note during the hover test (~4:35) the 25k is averaging 1A more draw the entire time. Explains the shorter flight time of the 25k and pretty much makes me choose the 19k.
... At least for my first Mobula...
Thank you grandpa❤
John from Chicago you should come out to Drink night club this Friday at 8 to race some whoops. It's in Shaumburg! Great vid! Love the mob on 25k definitely has some pep.
Connor Cunningham love to come out to race at the bar. I am in Florida this week do you race every Friday at the bar I can make another Friday evening. I am not that good yet but racing at a bar is always fun.
John from Chicago
@@jmoore3854 we race every Friday and Sunday. Right now Friday's are at Drink Night Club but they might switch to Gameworks. Sunday's we switch between Playoffs Bar and Grill in Carol Stream and Asylum Skate Park in Lake Bluff. Lots of fun and all skill levels are welcomed with open arms! If you join the Chicagolandfpv group on the multigp.com site you can see the full race schedule.
Thank you John!
Nice stats ..you can change the lipo connection to the new BetaFPV connectors and get much better flight times. These little folded pin connectors kills puffs lipos if you run them a few seconds to long!!
Allen Nickles looking at adding the BT2 connector so M6 will have both types of battery connectors. I also ordered 4 or 5 batteries of different brands and sizes to see what works the best. Thanks for the suggestion
Hey John, check out Albert Kim's recent video about flashing the ESCs with 48khz firmware. I get significantly longer flight times on my 19k kv Mobula 6, reaching 5 minutes on the included 300 mah battery.
Thanks Omar may try it later, they fly so good as they are. You know what they say is if it's not broke don't fix it. When I am looking for more flight time might try it.
I also improved my flight time with jesc and BF4.1
BF 4.0 BLHeli 16.7 jesc and BF4.1
Happymodel 300mAh brand new 0:03:14 0:05:17
GNB 350mAh brand new 0:02:58 0:05:01
GNB 300mAh months old 0:02:42 0:04:36
Emuflight gives longer flight times.
@@Quick-Flash I was thinking that might be a future step as well. Can you quantify longer? 5%? Also Project Mockingbird (Patrick) plans to use Emuflight for the Mobula6 PMB.
Great video
Nice review, Johncago! 😎 🤘
Love what you've done with the data. Curious if you have any plans to review the LDARC ET85
Great stuff John. Not sure if you have heard about the JESC 48khz that can increase flight time by some 30%. I have yet to see any factual test or conclusive evidence like you have brought fourth. It would be awesome is you could test this new ESC firmware and either confirm or dispell the claim. I personally have been using the JESC 2.3 for Whoop on my Mobula 6 and I can tell a noticeable improvement but dont have that same kind of discipline you have in all of your testing videos. Anyway with the Mobula 6 being so popular right now thought it would make for some great content.
Nice Video my friend 🙏
Flys great
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Cool!! Respect you!! 😍😍 very nice comparison and useful video!! Thanks for sharing! I sub you man!! 😎👍
ha, thats a great invention for testing the thrust
I saw Albert Kim use something like what I was using 2 years ago
Very good. In my case (beginner), I will buy the 19k, because he spends more time flying. And what would be the best batery? 300 mAh? Switch to 350 mAh, 400 mAh? Thanks.
Great review sir!
Excellent video - I'm curious how much reflashing the ESCs to 48kHz would help with flight time, especially if you're willing to run biblades (trim the 1219 props). I suspect the peak thrust may not be quite as high, but it seems to keep up extraordinarily well.
Too many quads! Not enough money!! : ( Thank you for the review Mr. John!
I'm regular race 5" 2207 quads, and my 19000kv mobula6 is plenty enough for home whooping.
Excellent work, John from Chicago.
Hey John Love you video what do you req for pidS for 19000kv?
Great, easy to understand and effective comparison John. Appreciate it! If you want the best of both worlds, would it be OK to get the 25k model, and set up a second profile with a throttle limit? Would that work?
A throttle limit will tame it down and extend flight time but the 19K model will still give you longer flight times
Hi John. This is Ted from Chicago. Just out of curiosity do you have any moblite 6 that you would be interested in selling? New to this , thanks for your videos!
I like your videos...
Hi John, first of all: nice video. Clear, good and really helpful. I hope you make more of 'em But, i have a question. I cant decide between the Mobula 6 (19.000 kv) or the UZ65. I don't now i you have some information about the UZ but hopefully you could help me out.
Louis they are both great whoops and you can't go wrong with either. I did a video on the UZ65 and the link is at th-cam.com/video/zlFGKnZ7KYI/w-d-xo.html I really like the idea of trimming in the flight control board so the prop size can be increased from 31 to 35 mm and still keep the overall size of the whoop the same at 65mm. The UZ65 flies a little better and most of the reviews say they like the way it handles better than the M6. I have not seen many people switch over to it. The two problems that I have with it is it is 2 grams heavier than the M6 and the motor wires are direct soldered which would make them more difficult to replace. A third tiny whoop to look at is the Eachine AE65. I am doing a review on that now and hope to have a review of the best 12 tiny whoops out in a month. The AE65 has all the latest updates with the only problem it has a new battery connector which most people find it harder to use.
@@jmoore3854 thx John! Keep up the good work!!
2:09 nice
Can you stick a slightly larger battery in it to get longer flight times? I think the std. battery is just over 200mah .. I've seen similar batteries up to 500 mah. Probably not interested in HV batteries, as I've found that those just don't last very long. By now, you may have tried some larger batteries? What say you? Nice review!
I sub ☝️...enjoying your reviews
Very good break down!!! I subscribed!
Super useful data! Thanks!
my stars, am i glad i came apon your video. very enjoyable super professional and in-lightening. (get it, light ha...ha..)and this is a rocket ship 88==========>
I prefer 19k for indoor freestyle
Thank you for the review John. I'm unsure if 25k or 19k is right for me. If I were to buy the 25k, can I effectively downgrade it to 19k by setting the maximum throttle to 76%?
It makes it easier to fly on tight courses but the 19K model will still give longer flight times. Not sure why.
Yes you can. I have a 2S whoop that would shoot thru the roof if i didnt scale the throttle back to 60%. I have the 19000Kv. For me it has plenty of thrust but i dont fly it outside. In my opinion thats what 2S or 3S whoops are for.. Just my opinion..
Did I read the stats correct? The Mobula6 19,000kv on 1s, was faster on the track than the mobula7 on 2s? I'm not a speed racer, but that's pretty impressive!
I ordered the 19k Mobula6. But it's strictly for indoors. I lost a tinyhawk to the wind gods last year... Lesson learned. 😂
Thanks for the update!
Not right I was comparing the Mobula 6 19KV to the Mobula 6 25KV both were 1S.The 19KV model was 0.6 seconds faster per lap because I was flying it at 100% throttle and the 25KV model was only be raced at 50% throttle. Normally the 25KV model would be about a second faster per lap 12 seconds vs 13 seconds.
John Moore copy that...I was comparing the flight time of all your stats. You have the Mobula 7 on 2s you have at 12seconds. You must have been flying half throttle in that flight as well. Great to know that you can have that much control on full throttle with the 19k as well. Can't go wrong with either! Thanks for the comparison.
thx
i highly recommend the 19000kv version over the 25000kv version for all types of flying. I'm currently running 85% throttle cap on my 19000kv build and still have more power than I need to get fast laps. If i remove the throttle cap it's hard to control elevation and be able to hit 20" gates.
other say that it is better to pick 25k kv and set 48k PWM, and by doing that you get more time than on 19k kv version. I dont have a tiny whoop and im thinking about getting that mobula 6.
@@brokenpropfpv8917 I'm sure that's a good option too for some.
But it flies so great when stock... For me it's not worth the time to update fw and tune for any gains in flight time.
@@Jrod_FPV so... how much does it fly for you?
@@brokenpropfpv8917 I can't remember exactly. I think I can race near full throttle for about 3 minutes.
They're is however a new feature in beta flight that provides with a much more consistent throttle response as the battery loses charge throughout the flight. That would be my only temptation in upgrading the firmware.
@@brokenpropfpv8917 landing a little early at 3.4v here.... Maybe 2:30 flight time for racing. Stock battery and connector.
See my video link here th-cam.com/video/H4yFHituLqE/w-d-xo.html
Lots more jello on the 25k. 19k is faster because it handles better plus video doesn't look like crap. More power is not always faster.
Hello how about Mobula 6 HD flight time :D?
Why would you push one harder than the other in a comparison??
Around the playground track I was able to fly the 19k model at or near 100% throttle without crashing where the 25k model that day when ever I got close to 100% throttle I would crash and could not get 3 consecutive laps in so they were about the same speed despite the 25k model being faster.
Did you mean skyzone 03O goggles?
Ok
That is some horrendous jello when flown outside. Cam mount lets this model down outside something shocking
25000kv and 450mah, thank me later.
How are you mounting the 450? I have been using GNB 380's but definitely less voltage sag with the 450's
Thank you for this informative comparison review.
Thanks!
Hi John. This is Ted from Chicago. Just out of curiosity do you have any moblite 6 that you would be interested in selling? New to this , thanks for your videos!