By far the most detailed monitor review I've ever seen on TH-cam. Even more so than those of Hardware Unboxed (which I also really like). Hope this channel grows!
I recently discovered this channel about a week ago and I am amazed by the level of details in which these reviews go over. Definitely in-depth that goes beyond the "BUZZ WORDS" of "300hz" "FAST" etc etc. Thank you so much for providing such an informative view on these products and spending the time to do all this testing!!! Cannot say thank you enough. I hope you get to do more of these reviews with future monitor displays.
Absolutely amazing content, I have never seen a monitor review so comprehensive and detailed. Great production as well, clear voice, and zero bullshit. Can't wait to see more!
Dude, your channel is amazing. Simply the best monitor reviews I have seen on the Internet. It is good to find a reviewer who really cares about the annoying motion blur of LCDs. Achieving a good strobing mode (specially at 60 Hz) is the direction the industry should take.
Dude, your reviews are underrated. They are better to decide on important factors for gaming than those reviews from hardwareunboxed or pc monitors, which are already good. Your work is so helpful, paying not only attention to coating, colorrepresentation etc., but also to the most important aspect for gaming: motionclarity. In this aspect having not only response-times, motionblur on different refreshrates, but also backlightstrobing at different refreshrates, including ELMB-Sync, is fantastic. We need more of this and you need a lot more subs! Edit - Regarding the topic: I dont know the technical limitations Asus has to overcome, but not being able to adjust overdrive during ELMB is absolutely gooney, preventing this from being a good start into having adaptive sync-tech as well as motionblur reduction at the same time. At least I would have bought the monitor with that options.
Thank you! I'm really hoping that with the USB service port on the back of these that ASUS can give us some kind of firmware update. If enough bigger channels complain about it, I think ASUS might seriously consider it. Tim at HUB mentioned that ASUS had sent him a review sample of the VG279QM, so hopefully he'll point it out.
@@ApertureGrille That is interessting to hear, even though it would make my momentary choices even harder: - Viewsonic XG270 - Zowie XL2746s - Viewsonic XG270QG Actually im fine with 144hz, i just want the impossible cake - Good image and motion. So i thought it is better to go for a good motionblurreduction at 144hz rather than going for even higher Refreshrates. Hearing that the XG270 has better backlightstrobing than XG270QG, cause it is adjusted by blurbusters and offers more refreshrate headroom, which is allegedly important for good backlightstrobing is kinda silly. In my country the XG270QG costs 300€ more. but 270qg seems to have better imagequality and 1440p, dont know how important that is too me. If XG270 is barely better than a TN panel, then i could also go for Zowie XL2746s, which seems to have decent blur reduction. IF the Asus comes into that calculation again, it will get even harder :X
Fantastic video! And great pursuit tests, as well as some excellent observations about strobing. However, one major correction: TestUFO already supports VRR (AdaptiveSync / G-SYNC) in internal tests. The problem is Chome/FireFox doesn't support TestUFO VRR, it only plays TestUFO at max-Hz. There are many people toiling away on improving HTML standards that I want to thank them for. There is a VRR implementation of TestUFO coming later this year. It's best to say that "The current web standards does not yet allow VRR, though the web standards groups are working on that" to accurately explain TestUFO VRR limitation. Your custom VRR pursuit camera app correctly uses the Blur Busters pursuit camera sync-track invention! 👍
All I can say is Holy. Shit. That was the most detailed review of a monitor I have ever seen. It is literally all the info you would ever need to know about a monitor. Work on your thumbnail game and you should be at 100k subs in no time.
I can't believe how good these reviews are. I've seen hundreds of reviews over the years and none of them come even close to being so in-depth as yours. Thank you so much, I hope we see a real change in the industry because of people like you.
Like - this has to be the best review I've ever watched. Holy shait man, good job with the video. I'm not an expert in this stuff, but you definitely hooked me up watching almost the whole video while I came here only for few things. Keep it up, this is some quality content.
thank you sooo much for these in-depth reviews, especially checking out strobing. Instead of trying to get that right manufacturers just focus on marketing big HZ numbers because the average consumer has no fucking idea about sample-and-hold blur
There's actually more on the review page about strobe crosstalk that I didn't cover in this video. I had to cut it because this video is already too long.
excuse me sir,, i wanted to buy monitor for gaming which good for these days especially on 160-240hz budget.. ill be very gratefull if you want to give your though about it..
@@ApertureGrille hello. Best review i saw even too detailed. You have huge knowledge. I want buy this display or 25 inch version. Is hard to decide between bigger screen and better quality. How you can rate this 27 screen picture quality in 1080? Can you make some short video how to ser this monitor in games like CS or moba games? Is a bit confusing - should all this modes have to be turned on?
Sebastian E. Lech go for the 25 inch if you can find it as it’s not available in the US yet. Set it at 280hz with elmb sync on if you consistently get over 240fps (which you should in CS) or turn off elmb sync and set overdrive to 60 if you can not consistently maintain 240fps and higher
You need to do more reviews. This is amazing. I'm a Quake Live player too, and wish I still had a CRT. You understand this shit and its so well presented. Please do more. I'm always hoping we get back to CRT quality in response times.
Thank you! The only negative I've heard about the 25" version of the AU Optronics panel is that it may be more prone to image retention. But response times should be similar. I'm still using mine, even over the VG27AQ, for games.
Once again another amazing monitor review. I used your VG27AQ video to make my purchase of that monitor, and I agree the elmb sync isn't what it should be but besides that I'm really happy with it, I just continue to use my CRT when I want that motion clarity and black levels in certain games.
Should perform fairly the same. I've had similar experience with the Acer Predator 25" and 27" panels. The only outlier is the Acer Nitro XV253QX which is slightly different. My friend bought the 25" version and is quite happy with it. I checked for backlight bleed and ips glow and surprisingly it was astonishingly good just like in this panel being reviewed. TLDR: If your happy with this review, go get the 25" panel ;) Thank me later! (Also, buy from a place where you can get a replacement easily, ASUS panels in particular have pretty bad Q/C) EDIT: Just to be clear, my friend bought the VG259QM (319 USD on Microcenter)
My Acer KG271B broke out of nowhere, ended up getting a full refund in store credits and added €20 and upgraded to the 24.5'' version of this one. Gets here next week and I'm super excited, great review btw!
Excellent video reviews. Level of detail is insane especially with self developed frog test. Your videos were very helpful confirming that my first monitor was trash (kg271u) and helped me to purchase my new one (the one on this review but the 25 inch one)
After searching through the swamp I finally found the video I needed after literal 2-3 years of here and there searching for how to set up my monitor better. Finally a video explaining exactly what even the company couldn't explain to me. I see now why.... Lol. You are my hero.
Thank you! It's harder than I thought to get review samples, and all the new and interesting monitors are very expensive ($700+). I'm working on my next video now; although it won't be a monitor review, it'll cover LCD testing, and I think it'll clear up a lot of questions people have with response times.
I usually do not comment on tech reviews since I am literally the GOD of tech. Been around this "display tech scene" for over 20 years. I seen every yt account on tech reviews that are seriously flawed and in no means a review. - yea some need to post it as its there only income and this that or other situation. People will rarely get to meet the guy who's got the patents or the scientific end of this or that let alone understand it. Your getting close to having the base understanding of Display tech. Perhaps give Zisworks a call if your interested in learning more. This is by far in no way new to me as I've own custom 285 hz LCD panels since 2010- yet big cheers to you for taking the time to set up video and produce and edit - Thanks brother. let the world know what a true in depth review should be about. Cheers to you again!
@@ApertureGrille Thanks to you, I understood for the first time what ELMB Sync really does :D I just ordered the VG279QM and am very excited to try it myself.
Really appreciate your in depth monitor reviews, especially the black frame insertion testing. Would love to see you review the Benq zowie Xl2746s and their low motion blur implementation.
Thank you! Despite ELMB-Sync not working as it should, this is still a really great monitor. And I especially appreciate the 280 Hz top end for Quake Live.
@@ApertureGrille it’s a very good monitor. However as very disappointed when I learned you can’t use adaptive sync when you overclock the monitor tho so I can’t use that feature when playing games where you can’t hold 280 frames. Have to use its native 240hz.
@@ApertureGrille yes. I’ve had this monitor for almost a year. However when I overclock it to 280hz, it locks the refresh rate at 280, even tho the VRR is on (adaptive sync). Soon as I disable the overclock, (back to 240) the adaptive sync works again.
What an amazing review of a monitor! I've frankly never seen a more in depth video review of a monitor before. I have tried out most of the new fast ips panels and I have to say, you should really do a review on the Acer Predator XB253Q GX. It and alongside it, the Acer Nitro XV253QX are by far the best gaming monitors in terms of input lag. I've never felt such snappiness before. Unfortunately the former only strobes at 120Hz but it is a proper MBR implementation! If your chasing that CRT goodness, I highly recommend you give it a shot!
Actually i'd love if you'd test the XL2546S. You do comprehensive tests beyond what i've seen any youtube monitor reviewer do and it really gives us the whole picture about a monitor (pun intended), and pretty much everything one would want to know. It's impressive and you earned yourself a well deserved subscriber.
Hey man, Love the way you combine RT and overshoot into CAD. Never seen anyone else do that before, you really deserve more views for this kind of idea. I have a point of suggestion/discussion: as I understand it, you have 3 sigma "band" in the pixel response graph within which the signal error doesn't count toward the CAD integration (it was mentioned in I think your first monitor review). What if you applied a much larger "band" to also account for over/undershoots not noticeable to the average user? Considering these monitors are used for gaming, I'd argue that even an overshoot of, say, 10% of dynamic range isn't going to bother most people. For example, in the Acer KG271U video, at 14:08, both graphs show small, but persistent steady state errors that pile up. I feel like errors like this are much less noticeable than a huge, short spike and so shouldn't really be "punished" equally. Anyway, keep up the good work. Your level of depth is so much better than the "mainstream" stuff.
Sorry for the delayed reply! I'm super excited when anyone has questions about methodology! And I'm also jazzed that someone actually watched that LG review :) I spent a lot of time fretting about how to construct the CAD measurement at first. 10% to 90% response time + an overshoot percent I think misses a ton of information about how an LCD behaves. Take a look at OD 80 for both 85 Hz and 144 Hz: www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/Images/OD-Hz-Matrix.png They have the same percentage overshoot, but the 85 Hz response in reality is way worse. But you're right about small deviations. When I was first playing around with algorithms, I wanted to use variance, (x - mean)^2, to really penalize being far away from the ideal response, but I think the power 2 was too high, and I really don't know what power is ideal, so I just went with absolute deviation. And this might just be me trying to justify my own choice, but it's also fairly easy to explain to a moderately technically minded audience. In the case of the KG271U at the timestamp you linked, that area below the stead-state low doesn't account for much of the total CAD, but it's still visible to the eye. To see an example, here's a strobing image from the VG279QM review: www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/Images/Crosstalk-Frog-Mid.jpg Check out the single pixel white line on the left-hand side. The strobe essentially freezes in time various parts of the LCD transition. The dim ghost images are capturing the long decay trail, kind of like on the KG271U response from earlier. Even very small deviations from the RGB 64 background are quite visible. I do concede that the second and third (and so on) ghost images do matter less, which was your point! But I struggle with how much less, and I think whatever cut-off percentage I would use would mostly just be arbitrarily chosen. But I will consider some modification; CAD has really caused most of the internal strife I feel above everything else I do for the reviews! A conversation I had on reddit may be of interest to you: www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/f26fbr/aoc_24g2_review_the_best_1080p_144hz_monitor_you/fhdcydn/
@@ApertureGrille hey man, thanks for the detailed explanation! It definitely makes more sense now. There's no perfect algorithm but yours is definitely on the right path.
Wow very detailed review I decided to buy this monitor after this video I don't want to pay 360 rog so much money and also this monitor is just a beast
The best and most through testing/review of a monitor I have seen to date on TH-cam. Also loved your video on input lag! Do you have plans to test the AOC 24G2? It is a 144Hz 1080p IPS monitor which has recieved great response from other reviewers. I'm guessing it is going to be popular. Also do you have a Patreon where you can be supported? Would love to see more tests at level of detail but I understand that getting products can be costly. Thanks again, a5hun, for the great work.
Hah! Totally agree! LCDs will get faster, and perhaps with some type of scanning backlight, they can match or beat a CRT. The ViewSonic XG270, which was tuned by Blur Busters, gets close, but it's still not quite there.
@@ApertureGrille for srobe we need hi-end PC to keep constant fps to avoid crosstalk(( i can't play videogames since 2014 when I sold my last CRT T__T what do u think abt modern 240hz TNs?
thanks for the review you made the choice for me I Will be getting the hp omen x it might be tn but its 240hz @ 1440p you earned a sub an actual in depth monitor review YES
TN isn't a bad thing as long as it's not dirt cheap TN (which is 6-bit+frc most of the time & a sad excuse for a monitor, but IPS has some of those as well, including at my work place, they look awful compared to my TN).
Please if you get the chance can you review this monitor's baby brother the VG259QM? Nevertheless, amazing in-depth review that many more tech TH-camrs should adopt!
Thanks! Hey, you weren't, by chance, on the Bethesda Quake Champions forum back in the closed beta days? I remember having to upload very large animated GIFs to show bugs.
So at first, that's the best monitor review I have ever seen. Keep it up and you will grow big My question is more based on personal preferences. But which monitors can you recommend for playing professional fps games? Probably 1920x1080p, 240hz+, ULMB/ELM etc.
I haven't reviewed enough to say for certain (and I'm definitely not great at FPS games), but I'm really interested to see how Zowie's DyAc modes perform on the new XL2546S and XL2746S. TN panels should have slightly cleaner strobing modes. But those are... just a bit too expensive for me to review.
The XG270 interests me because the strobing modes were tuned by someone who knows what he's doing! With the same panel as this ASUS, it could be excellent.
@@ApertureGrille You need to open a patreon page to fund additional reviews honestly i'd buy you monitors to review if I could. What do you think about reviewing the VG248qe? I'm still rocking one with lightboost and I want to direct comparisons between these 240hz strobbed ips monitors and the older strobed tn panels.
@@HyperSlayer72 I'm considering it! The closest thing I have is the LG 24GM79G, which is from around that VG248QE era. Check out the strobing pursuit shots: www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/LG24GM79G/#Strobe-Pursuit-Frog LG allows us to change overdrive during strobing, so those can look even better, but I went with "Normal" OD to match the rest of the review. It looks pretty good, but what's holding it back from matching the CRT is the strobe duration. At 144 Hz, the pulse lasts 2.3 ms, which is too long to really freeze the image on your retina. TNs seem to do better than IPS mostly because they finish their transitions fully (not just 10% to 90%) faster than IPS, so they have fewer and less distinct ghost images, and that's still true with these modern 240 Hz IPS panels. But I'd rather play Quake Live on the VG279QM than on my older LG.
@@ApertureGrille Yeah looking at the LG 24GM79G its close in performance to the vg248qe imo but not quite there. The asus has noticably less visible cross talk and has just a bit more clarity when strobbing is enabled. I think the major takeaway is that for those who aren't so focused on strobbing, these 240hz/280hz ips panels are finally on par or better than the original 120/144hz tn panels from around 2013. Thats a definitive have your cake and eat it too moment that generally we didn't get to have when the initial 144hz ips panels came out with their heavier ghosting. Yes I generally feel the old tn's handle strobbing better than these ips options but that could change in a few more years. And thats completely ignoring the 240hz strobbed tn's of today. Christ man would I also love to see you review the Benq XL2546s, if you could somehow also get a non s variant to compare that would be phenomenal. These are dreams though, spending money like that would be insane. Again thanks for the incredible reviews so far. If I ever upgrade my monitor i'm sending it to you first for review purposes.
@@ApertureGrille Have you tested if the monitor loses sharpness or black level (contrast) when overclocking to 280Hz? So overall you would recommend ELMB Sync as long as I hit +240fps in a game right? :) Since COVID 19, nothing is in stock T_T
@@LimsCave All the testing was done at the max refresh rate, so the 1050:1 contrast ratio should hold. And yeah, ELMB-Sync works pretty OK for 200+. It's not as clear as fixed strobing, but it's usable.
So to be fair, you basically did say that elmb sync is advantageous over non elmb if you can atleast maintain frames above 200. I figure (or at least I hope) that most people purchasing a monitor with a refresh rate this high intend to get frames that are at least relatively close to the limit, so if that's the case, then elmb sync should be an achievement for most people using this monitor using reasonably high refresh rates. I'd love to see you review a benq 2546 or 2546s to see how you think their ulmb implementation compares to both this monitor at 280 ulmb and crts
Something I realized after buying this monitor is that smooth gameplay feel has more to do with consistent frame pacing rather than high average framerate, and I should have just bought 240hz monitor with dyac premium from zowie
Really good review! Although I do have a question, what is the best OSD setting. I see that you have put that on the website but I don't what you recommended some settings such as the contrast. Here is what's on the website: "Calibrated in Racing Mode, Color Temp. was set at "User Mode" with Red: 100, Green: 100, and Blue: 100. Brightness at 40." Much appreciated if you can reply! :D
Thank you! Other settings should be default. For instance, contrast can be kept at 80, VividPixel at 0, no blue light filter, etc. On most LCDs, changing the contrast setting just clips either the low end or the high end.
@@dragon86271 RTINGS has a VG259QM review, and they've got slightly different settings from mine. They used the same Racing Mode and other defaults, but 97-100-95 for RGB. Without using a colorimeter yourself, it's hard to say if you'd be making your calibration slightly better or slightly worse using those. It's the same technology in the panel from AU Optronics, but there will definitely be small differences between units.
Amazing content. You are so underrated. Can you please review the Legion Y25-25? It's 240HZ with IPS and pretty low priced compared to its competitors.
As many of the other have stated, great content! i'd be interested in understand some of your testing methodology in more detail, i see that you cover some, but not all. As far as monitors reviews go i'd like to make a suggestion. The AOC 24G2U has gotten a lot of good reviews, would be interesting to see how it fairs under your scrutiny.
Thank you! The first monitor review I did was in October last year: th-cam.com/video/neVQfBy2w2Y/w-d-xo.html It's... a bit rough, but it does explain the how/why for each measurement I take. If you watch from oldest to newest, I talk a bit more about how I measure in each successive video, but I think one of the more interesting findings is in the Acer KG271U review. But if you have any specific questions, I'm happy to answer; almost no one asks about methodology. I haven't done a review in a bit only because I don't have any monitors to test. I'm still too small a channel to get review samples, so I need to buy monitors. But I'll look into that AOC and a few other candidates.
@@ApertureGrille :) I noticed this video from your web sites 'How is this measured?' button. I think your content is really valuable and maybe having a video dedicated to your measurement techniques and what that means for user experience would really help others. to me the most interesting measurements are things like colour, input lag and response time. for example, my question could be: are you using a colorimeter, if so, which one? it's my opinion that the vast majority of consumers are often out right fooled by marketing. I bought the AOC i mentioned, but i bought that knowing full well that the true performance of the monitor was somewhere around 120hz ( th-cam.com/video/6MHdeDv9bqI/w-d-xo.html ), not 144. there are much worse examples out there as I'm sure you know. I really wish you the best of luck with your channel and i would seriously recommend that you find a way for people to support you early on to make those purchases i especially liked your 'Input Lag and Frame Rate Limiters', very informative, as a side note, i really look forward to a day when people start talking about frame time instead of frame rate ^^
Hey nice video! I've been wanting to ask you a couple questions since you uploaded this review, but I didn't really know how to put them so I dont sound too noobish lol but anyway: 1- First question is simple: If the input lag is high at a fixed 60 hz, why not use the monitor at a fixed 240 hz (since it's a multiple) with a console ? Is it not compatible? 2- I like your CADs technique to evaluate the perfomance of a monitor . I assume the way you see it is the less the CAD number the better since that's the way CRT's behave (instant very bright flash), but in a sample and hold way of displaying the image, is it the closest to zero the better? Wouldn't this cause a strong stroboscopic effect at low hz? Wouldn't it be better to have a reference (hypotethical perfect sample and hold response) CAD like for example a curve (or a triangle for simplicity) that converges to the end point within the frame window time or something like that idk? Anyway keep up the great work!
Sorry the delayed reply! I actually don't have any modern consoles (!), so I'm not familiar with how they behave when connected to high refresh displays. If they can do adaptive-sync at 240 or 280 Hz, that'd be much better for input lag. But what about something like a Switch? You're correct about CAD: I accumulate the difference of the LCD transition compared to a "perfect" square wave transition: instantaneous OFF to ON (or vice versa), and so lower is "better." I put up an illustration here: www.aperturegrille.com/about/Images/RT-About-New.png But about that "better." I like your idea of using a linear response from low to high over the duration of the frame as the reference. At typical television framerates (24, 30), instantaneous transitions like OLED can look jarring from frame to frame, but low framerate content will never look great in motion. Even on slow VA televisions, 24 FPS content is both juddery and smeary. But the biggest problem I see is the average brightness level. Imagine a moving star field (or really just any moving white to black transition). If we used a linear ramp from black to white for each frame, the average brightness would be right in the middle: 50% gray, not white. You can see what that looks like in my BenQ GW2760HS video where I show a star map (and Skyrim!) on a VA panel dimming: th-cam.com/video/PvynyrES7IQ/w-d-xo.html If you could take an OLED and "shape" its response to be linear rather than a square-wave wall, that type of dimming would also occur. Non-strobed displays will always have sample-and-hold blur, but we really do want their transitions to happen as fast as possible, so that's why I use a square wave as the reference. Fantastic questions! I'm really excited when people ask about this sort of stuff! I wish I'd seen this sooner! Sorry!
Jesus Christ the best explained and most informative review on this monitor. Thank you so much for this 👍🏽 Btw would you prefer to get the 24.5’ model or stick with the 27’?? I’ve heard the sharpness is better but I have both and my blind eyes can’t tell the difference
Thanks! They use slightly different panels, and I've heard the 25" model is slightly more prone to temporary image retention, but they should both perform roughly the same. I'm not a big fan of small screens... the bigger, the better. But neither version will look amazing compared to a QHD screen. The VG279QM is still my favorite 240+ Hz FHD screen, but for most people, and for me personally, I'd opt for a 27" QHD screen. The monitor I'm using right now is the Lenovo Y27q-20, which uses the same panel that's in LG's 27GL850, and it's a fantastic monitor.
This is the most comprehensive monitor review I've ever watched. Thank you! Do you think it'd be good to choose VG279QM over XG248Q for competitive gaming?
I'm really impressed with its response times, but you might be bothered by the low PPI. I wouldn't use it for desktop productivity (I have a QHD screen for that), but I don't mind the low PPI in games.
Few suggestions for some channel videos between monitor reviews. 1080p 24" vs 1440p 27" vs 27" 1080p for games,movies and general work, tn vs ips vs va general overview and explanation how they work, 60hz vs 144hz vs 240hz your user experience between different refresh rates, v sync vs adaptive sync vs g sync module, strobing overview, current state,flaws and needed future improvement.
Those are all really good suggestions. Sorry I haven't had much output on the channel; I typically try to stick with these longer reviews. I'd like to do a comparison of modern TN, IPS, and VA panels, but I'm still missing a good example of a fast VA.
Which one would you recommend, Asus Tuf vg279qm or the vg27aq variant? Which one has the least backlight bleed? Also, is there a huge different between this monitor’s 1080p vs 1440p?
Thanks for these interesting and detailed reviews. It's a bit too technical at times so I will have to watch the video again and your other videos to understand the information better. I've been looking for a CRT like monitor for a long time. Seems like the ASUS VG279QM or the Viewsonic XG270 could be what i'm looking for but not sure. Since you say the ELMB sync isn't that great or useful I'm very interested to know about the XG270 motion blur option and if that monitor is worth it. As of right now which IPS monitor do you think is the best for a game like Quake Live? Does Quake benefit from 280 hz and more or not really since the maxfps is 250 and 240 hz is enough?
the asus is better than the viewsonic, both work the same regarding elmb just called something differant. the elmb does work well at high refreshes. asus is faster all around. would reccomend it
Im having doubts about this monitor and the current BenQ Zowie XL2540, I mostly play fps games and so far all this 240hz monitor with low latency was TN panels. Do you think this one is similar to the BenQ XL2540? It could be a great comparative for your videos. The BenQ its a reference in gaming and many people is looking for such a good and detailed comparative. Thanks
a5hun. The detail you've into is out of this world (even though I don't understand it all) I've got this monitor coming in about ten days and as I'm just your average console gaming jo I'm wondering what settings YOU would recommend for Xbox gaming on games like call of duty, battlefield, and FIFA 21. I've got the Xbox one X now but really got the monitor for the upcoming Xbox series X. Response time is what I'm after with the best possible picture. So if you could recommend what settings you think I should us I'd greatly appreciate it. And thank you.
Amazing review! I bought the VG259QM, cant calibrate it because i dont have the tools but messing a bit with the settings and its quite great! btw, which preset you use? racing? fps?
TH-cam algorithm. Please give this man more attention! Best monitor reviewer seen to this date! 💪
I myself can't believe it but he needs to keep it up he well get there.
You ain't never lied. Best I've ever seen. I watched it 2ice.
Agreed.
Nan spittin" straight faccccz
By far the most detailed monitor review I've ever seen on TH-cam. Even more so than those of Hardware Unboxed (which I also really like). Hope this channel grows!
I recently discovered this channel about a week ago and I am amazed by the level of details in which these reviews go over. Definitely in-depth that goes beyond the "BUZZ WORDS" of "300hz" "FAST" etc etc. Thank you so much for providing such an informative view on these products and spending the time to do all this testing!!! Cannot say thank you enough. I hope you get to do more of these reviews with future monitor displays.
Never in my life have i seen gaming tech review thats so in depth. subscribed
Absolutely amazing content, I have never seen a monitor review so comprehensive and detailed. Great production as well, clear voice, and zero bullshit. Can't wait to see more!
Wow! Thanks!
Dude, your channel is amazing. Simply the best monitor reviews I have seen on the Internet. It is good to find a reviewer who really cares about the annoying motion blur of LCDs. Achieving a good strobing mode (specially at 60 Hz) is the direction the industry should take.
Thank you!
my god this video is underrated, you go into such depth that I'm in awe
Dude,
your reviews are underrated. They are better to decide on important factors for gaming than those reviews from hardwareunboxed or pc monitors, which are already good. Your work is so helpful, paying not only attention to coating, colorrepresentation etc., but also to the most important aspect for gaming: motionclarity. In this aspect having not only response-times, motionblur on different refreshrates, but also backlightstrobing at different refreshrates, including ELMB-Sync, is fantastic. We need more of this and you need a lot more subs!
Edit - Regarding the topic: I dont know the technical limitations Asus has to overcome, but not being able to adjust overdrive during ELMB is absolutely gooney, preventing this from being a good start into having adaptive sync-tech as well as motionblur reduction at the same time. At least I would have bought the monitor with that options.
Thank you! I'm really hoping that with the USB service port on the back of these that ASUS can give us some kind of firmware update. If enough bigger channels complain about it, I think ASUS might seriously consider it. Tim at HUB mentioned that ASUS had sent him a review sample of the VG279QM, so hopefully he'll point it out.
@@ApertureGrille That is interessting to hear, even though it would make my momentary choices even harder:
- Viewsonic XG270
- Zowie XL2746s
- Viewsonic XG270QG
Actually im fine with 144hz, i just want the impossible cake - Good image and motion. So i thought it is better to go for a good motionblurreduction at 144hz rather than going for even higher Refreshrates. Hearing that the XG270 has better backlightstrobing than XG270QG, cause it is adjusted by blurbusters and offers more refreshrate headroom, which is allegedly important for good backlightstrobing is kinda silly. In my country the XG270QG costs 300€ more. but 270qg seems to have better imagequality and 1440p, dont know how important that is too me. If XG270 is barely better than a TN panel, then i could also go for Zowie XL2746s, which seems to have decent blur reduction. IF the Asus comes into that calculation again, it will get even harder :X
wow, of all the youtube channels, yours is the best and most detailed. you deserve more views man
This simply is the best review I have ever seen in my life, please keep up the good work and do more reviews , just amazing.
Thank you so much!
I think this is the best monitor review I've seen
Wow! Thank you!
The moment i saw the UNREAL TOURNAMENT thumbnail you gained a new follower … :D nice review btw
Fantastic video! And great pursuit tests, as well as some excellent observations about strobing. However, one major correction: TestUFO already supports VRR (AdaptiveSync / G-SYNC) in internal tests. The problem is Chome/FireFox doesn't support TestUFO VRR, it only plays TestUFO at max-Hz. There are many people toiling away on improving HTML standards that I want to thank them for. There is a VRR implementation of TestUFO coming later this year. It's best to say that "The current web standards does not yet allow VRR, though the web standards groups are working on that" to accurately explain TestUFO VRR limitation. Your custom VRR pursuit camera app correctly uses the Blur Busters pursuit camera sync-track invention! 👍
why isn't this monitor on your website!!!!? AHHH!! im inferring this is the official blur buster youtube channel right?
Doesn't Web GL have VRR support?
All I can say is Holy. Shit. That was the most detailed review of a monitor I have ever seen. It is literally all the info you would ever need to know about a monitor. Work on your thumbnail game and you should be at 100k subs in no time.
I can't believe how good these reviews are. I've seen hundreds of reviews over the years and none of them come even close to being so in-depth as yours. Thank you so much, I hope we see a real change in the industry because of people like you.
Thank you!
Like - this has to be the best review I've ever watched. Holy shait man, good job with the video. I'm not an expert in this stuff, but you definitely hooked me up watching almost the whole video while I came here only for few things. Keep it up, this is some quality content.
Dude!!!! Why have I not ever seen your reviews!!!! You got a sub man, great content man.
omg this is wondeful! i've never seen any monitor review like this before. you are doing great!
thank you sooo much for these in-depth reviews, especially checking out strobing. Instead of trying to get that right manufacturers just focus on marketing big HZ numbers because the average consumer has no fucking idea about sample-and-hold blur
There's actually more on the review page about strobe crosstalk that I didn't cover in this video. I had to cut it because this video is already too long.
excuse me sir,, i wanted to buy monitor for gaming which good for these days especially on 160-240hz budget..
ill be very gratefull if you want to give your though about it..
Seriously this is the most comprehensive review of this particular model I've seen so far, keep it up!
Bro this is legit one of the best reviews I've seen, so in depth.
Will you do a review for the VG259QM?
@@Cemito I want to! But I don't think I can find it for sale in the near future.
@@ApertureGrille hello. Best review i saw even too detailed. You have huge knowledge. I want buy this display or 25 inch version. Is hard to decide between bigger screen and better quality. How you can rate this 27 screen picture quality in 1080? Can you make some short video how to ser this monitor in games like CS or moba games? Is a bit confusing - should all this modes have to be turned on?
Sebastian E. Lech go for the 25 inch if you can find it as it’s not available in the US yet. Set it at 280hz with elmb sync on if you consistently get over 240fps (which you should in CS) or turn off elmb sync and set overdrive to 60 if you can not consistently maintain 240fps and higher
I just bought this monitor and you review it. Good timing 👌
Hey, do you play competitive FPS at all? How is the Fast IPS compared to a TN
You need to do more reviews. This is amazing. I'm a Quake Live player too, and wish I still had a CRT. You understand this shit and its so well presented. Please do more. I'm always hoping we get back to CRT quality in response times.
Thanks! I'd love to do more, but it's harder than I thought to get review samples! I'm hoping to put out more content soon.
Keep pumping out reviews like this. You're gonna take off. Outstanding cintent. Thank you.
this is the most cohesive monitor review I have ever seen. bless you. subbed.
Best monitor review ever!!
I finally bought the smaller 25" version though. I'm very happy with it 😊
Thank you! The only negative I've heard about the 25" version of the AU Optronics panel is that it may be more prone to image retention. But response times should be similar. I'm still using mine, even over the VG27AQ, for games.
Holy fuck this is detailed. Subbed as soon as I saw your intro!
Bro! You're knowledge of monitors and their brakedown is gnarly! You workin' for NASA or what?! Nice work!
You’re channel is amazing holy shit
I love this in-depth review! Thanks! :D
Once again another amazing monitor review. I used your VG27AQ video to make my purchase of that monitor, and I agree the elmb sync isn't what it should be but besides that I'm really happy with it, I just continue to use my CRT when I want that motion clarity and black levels in certain games.
Thanks for the awesome review! Will you review the smaller 25" VG259QM aswell, to check if it is also as good? Ty
Should perform fairly the same. I've had similar experience with the Acer Predator 25" and 27" panels. The only outlier is the Acer Nitro XV253QX which is slightly different. My friend bought the 25" version and is quite happy with it. I checked for backlight bleed and ips glow and surprisingly it was astonishingly good just like in this panel being reviewed.
TLDR: If your happy with this review, go get the 25" panel ;) Thank me later! (Also, buy from a place where you can get a replacement easily, ASUS panels in particular have pretty bad Q/C)
EDIT: Just to be clear, my friend bought the VG259QM (319 USD on Microcenter)
yes this in 1440p would be pretty cool
enjoyed your content you helped me pump the breaks on an impulse buy
This was an amazing review I'm surprised you don't have as many videos you are very talented.
My Acer KG271B broke out of nowhere, ended up getting a full refund in store credits and added €20 and upgraded to the 24.5'' version of this one. Gets here next week and I'm super excited, great review btw!
please give this man a medal for nice reviewer
i subs NOW
Excellent video reviews. Level of detail is insane especially with self developed frog test. Your videos were very helpful confirming that my first monitor was trash (kg271u) and helped me to purchase my new one (the one on this review but the 25 inch one)
After searching through the swamp I finally found the video I needed after literal 2-3 years of here and there searching for how to set up my monitor better. Finally a video explaining exactly what even the company couldn't explain to me. I see now why.... Lol. You are my hero.
do you mind sharing your setting ?
I subscribed because your reviews are the best on Internet. I don't understand why you don't have much more subscribers.
Thank you! It's harder than I thought to get review samples, and all the new and interesting monitors are very expensive ($700+). I'm working on my next video now; although it won't be a monitor review, it'll cover LCD testing, and I think it'll clear up a lot of questions people have with response times.
Thank you so much for this review! How exhaustive it must of been to do all this testing!
This review is so underrated, better than most of the big sub TH-camr out there.
what a great review! please keep them coming.
I usually do not comment on tech reviews since I am literally the GOD of tech. Been around this "display tech scene" for over 20 years. I seen every yt account on tech reviews that are seriously flawed and in no means a review. - yea some need to post it as its there only income and this that or other situation. People will rarely get to meet the guy who's got the patents or the scientific end of this or that let alone understand it. Your getting close to having the base understanding of Display tech. Perhaps give Zisworks a call if your interested in learning more. This is by far in no way new to me as I've own custom 285 hz LCD panels since 2010- yet big cheers to you for taking the time to set up video and produce and edit - Thanks brother. let the world know what a true in depth review should be about. Cheers to you again!
Hey amazing job! Could you test MSII MAG251RX?
Loved this video, you went to full lengths to give so much attention to detail for anyone interested in this, product like me. Thank you good sir
What an awesome review! This is by far the greatest one I could find on this monitor if not for every other too. Thank you for your great work!
Thank you! This was one of my favorites. ELMB-Sync gives me a lot to talk about!
@@ApertureGrille Thanks to you, I understood for the first time what ELMB Sync really does :D I just ordered the VG279QM and am very excited to try it myself.
thank ypu so much fpr rebiewing this ive been trying to find people reviewing ur a god u got a like and a sub and notifications
Really appreciate your in depth monitor reviews, especially the black frame insertion testing. Would love to see you review the Benq zowie Xl2746s and their low motion blur implementation.
so underrated bro keep up the goodie goodie stuff .. Mad love
Best review I’ve found for this monitor by a long shot
Thank you! Despite ELMB-Sync not working as it should, this is still a really great monitor. And I especially appreciate the 280 Hz top end for Quake Live.
@@ApertureGrille it’s a very good monitor. However as very disappointed when I learned you can’t use adaptive sync when you overclock the monitor tho so I can’t use that feature when playing games where you can’t hold 280 frames. Have to use its native 240hz.
@@JJ-fm2yj VRR works throughout the full range, even up to 280 Hz. Have you tried the monitor yourself?
@@ApertureGrille yes. I’ve had this monitor for almost a year. However when I overclock it to 280hz, it locks the refresh rate at 280, even tho the VRR is on (adaptive sync). Soon as I disable the overclock, (back to 240) the adaptive sync works again.
Seems to be an issues with AMD GPU’s
Amazing review, I hope you make more.
Exactly what i was looking for, excellent review!
My God what a absolute brilliant Video... Thanks
What an amazing review of a monitor! I've frankly never seen a more in depth video review of a monitor before. I have tried out most of the new fast ips panels and I have to say, you should really do a review on the Acer Predator XB253Q GX. It and alongside it, the Acer Nitro XV253QX are by far the best gaming monitors in terms of input lag. I've never felt such snappiness before. Unfortunately the former only strobes at 120Hz but it is a proper MBR implementation! If your chasing that CRT goodness, I highly recommend you give it a shot!
Потрясающий обзор! Надеюсь вам в скором времени попадут в руки на 360 и 480hz
Just found your channel, instantly subbed ^.^
Actually i'd love if you'd test the XL2546S. You do comprehensive tests beyond what i've seen any youtube monitor reviewer do and it really gives us the whole picture about a monitor (pun intended), and pretty much everything one would want to know.
It's impressive and you earned yourself a well deserved subscriber.
Excellent review. I know much more than the average joe about motion blur tech, but you outshined me 10 fold! :)
Thank you! Motion blur reduction is one of those things I wish more manufacturers and more reviewers paid attention to.
thank you very much for that detailed video!
16:10 "I'm a CRT guy." elmb & elmb-sync
Hey man,
Love the way you combine RT and overshoot into CAD. Never seen anyone else do that before, you really deserve more views for this kind of idea.
I have a point of suggestion/discussion: as I understand it, you have 3 sigma "band" in the pixel response graph within which the signal error doesn't count toward the CAD integration (it was mentioned in I think your first monitor review). What if you applied a much larger "band" to also account for over/undershoots not noticeable to the average user? Considering these monitors are used for gaming, I'd argue that even an overshoot of, say, 10% of dynamic range isn't going to bother most people. For example, in the Acer KG271U video, at 14:08, both graphs show small, but persistent steady state errors that pile up. I feel like errors like this are much less noticeable than a huge, short spike and so shouldn't really be "punished" equally.
Anyway, keep up the good work. Your level of depth is so much better than the "mainstream" stuff.
Sorry for the delayed reply! I'm super excited when anyone has questions about methodology! And I'm also jazzed that someone actually watched that LG review :)
I spent a lot of time fretting about how to construct the CAD measurement at first. 10% to 90% response time + an overshoot percent I think misses a ton of information about how an LCD behaves. Take a look at OD 80 for both 85 Hz and 144 Hz:
www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/Images/OD-Hz-Matrix.png
They have the same percentage overshoot, but the 85 Hz response in reality is way worse.
But you're right about small deviations. When I was first playing around with algorithms, I wanted to use variance, (x - mean)^2, to really penalize being far away from the ideal response, but I think the power 2 was too high, and I really don't know what power is ideal, so I just went with absolute deviation. And this might just be me trying to justify my own choice, but it's also fairly easy to explain to a moderately technically minded audience.
In the case of the KG271U at the timestamp you linked, that area below the stead-state low doesn't account for much of the total CAD, but it's still visible to the eye. To see an example, here's a strobing image from the VG279QM review:
www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/Images/Crosstalk-Frog-Mid.jpg
Check out the single pixel white line on the left-hand side. The strobe essentially freezes in time various parts of the LCD transition. The dim ghost images are capturing the long decay trail, kind of like on the KG271U response from earlier. Even very small deviations from the RGB 64 background are quite visible. I do concede that the second and third (and so on) ghost images do matter less, which was your point!
But I struggle with how much less, and I think whatever cut-off percentage I would use would mostly just be arbitrarily chosen. But I will consider some modification; CAD has really caused most of the internal strife I feel above everything else I do for the reviews!
A conversation I had on reddit may be of interest to you:
www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/f26fbr/aoc_24g2_review_the_best_1080p_144hz_monitor_you/fhdcydn/
@@ApertureGrille hey man, thanks for the detailed explanation! It definitely makes more sense now. There's no perfect algorithm but yours is definitely on the right path.
Wow very detailed review I decided to buy this monitor after this video I don't want to pay 360 rog so much money and also this monitor is just a beast
The best and most through testing/review of a monitor I have seen to date on TH-cam. Also loved your video on input lag!
Do you have plans to test the AOC 24G2?
It is a 144Hz 1080p IPS monitor which has recieved great response from other reviewers. I'm guessing it is going to be popular.
Also do you have a Patreon where you can be supported? Would love to see more tests at level of detail but I understand that getting products can be costly.
Thanks again, a5hun, for the great work.
2021. CRT motion clarity still not beaten. technological progress has taken a wrong turn somewhere.
Hah! Totally agree! LCDs will get faster, and perhaps with some type of scanning backlight, they can match or beat a CRT. The ViewSonic XG270, which was tuned by Blur Busters, gets close, but it's still not quite there.
@@ApertureGrille for srobe we need hi-end PC to keep constant fps to avoid crosstalk(( i can't play videogames since 2014 when I sold my last CRT T__T
what do u think abt modern 240hz TNs?
after watching this, I'm happy that I ordered the monitor, thank you sir.
Are you happy with it ? I ordered mine yesterday,cant wait to try it out when it gets delivered today.
What a detailed review. Even the things I don’t care about was discussed lol
I didn't even start watcing the review but I already loved it.
thanks for the review you made the choice for me I Will be getting the hp omen x it might be tn but its 240hz @ 1440p you earned a sub an actual in depth monitor review YES
TN isn't a bad thing as long as it's not dirt cheap TN (which is 6-bit+frc most of the time & a sad excuse for a monitor, but IPS has some of those as well, including at my work place, they look awful compared to my TN).
bruh u need more views for the effort u put into ur vids
Excellent review and analysis. The only point of improvement would be to make your voice louder.
Thank you for this channel. Will you be testing some 240hz tn panels, like Benq XL2746/hp x25? Other 240hz ips like mag251rx? What about new 360hz?
Please if you get the chance can you review this monitor's baby brother the VG259QM? Nevertheless, amazing in-depth review that many more tech TH-camrs should adopt!
Awesome review, very detailed! thanks!
Wow, what an amazing review, blurbusters should get you on their team and get screens sent to you for testing.
Thanks! Hey, you weren't, by chance, on the Bethesda Quake Champions forum back in the closed beta days?
I remember having to upload very large animated GIFs to show bugs.
@@ApertureGrille I've been a volunteer mod for them for a long time now.
Why have you not ever reviewed the Benq XL2546k?
So at first, that's the best monitor review I have ever seen. Keep it up and you will grow big
My question is more based on personal preferences.
But which monitors can you recommend for playing professional fps games? Probably 1920x1080p, 240hz+, ULMB/ELM etc.
I haven't reviewed enough to say for certain (and I'm definitely not great at FPS games), but I'm really interested to see how Zowie's DyAc modes perform on the new XL2546S and XL2746S. TN panels should have slightly cleaner strobing modes. But those are... just a bit too expensive for me to review.
Damn I really miss your videos bro! Have a good one.
I'm finding it harder than I thought to get monitors for review, but I'm still here!
You should do an in depth review of the 25 inch variant. The vg259qm!
I'd love to! But I don't think I can find one now.
Aw shit. Now we need to see a XG270 Review From you. Seems your the only person up to the task. Incredible Review.
The XG270 interests me because the strobing modes were tuned by someone who knows what he's doing! With the same panel as this ASUS, it could be excellent.
@@ApertureGrille You need to open a patreon page to fund additional reviews honestly i'd buy you monitors to review if I could. What do you think about reviewing the VG248qe? I'm still rocking one with lightboost and I want to direct comparisons between these 240hz strobbed ips monitors and the older strobed tn panels.
@@HyperSlayer72 I'm considering it!
The closest thing I have is the LG 24GM79G, which is from around that VG248QE era. Check out the strobing pursuit shots:
www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/LG24GM79G/#Strobe-Pursuit-Frog
LG allows us to change overdrive during strobing, so those can look even better, but I went with "Normal" OD to match the rest of the review.
It looks pretty good, but what's holding it back from matching the CRT is the strobe duration. At 144 Hz, the pulse lasts 2.3 ms, which is too long to really freeze the image on your retina.
TNs seem to do better than IPS mostly because they finish their transitions fully (not just 10% to 90%) faster than IPS, so they have fewer and less distinct ghost images, and that's still true with these modern 240 Hz IPS panels. But I'd rather play Quake Live on the VG279QM than on my older LG.
@@ApertureGrille Yeah looking at the LG 24GM79G its close in performance to the vg248qe imo but not quite there. The asus has noticably less visible cross talk and has just a bit more clarity when strobbing is enabled.
I think the major takeaway is that for those who aren't so focused on strobbing, these 240hz/280hz ips panels are finally on par or better than the original 120/144hz tn panels from around 2013. Thats a definitive have your cake and eat it too moment that generally we didn't get to have when the initial 144hz ips panels came out with their heavier ghosting.
Yes I generally feel the old tn's handle strobbing better than these ips options but that could change in a few more years. And thats completely ignoring the 240hz strobbed tn's of today. Christ man would I also love to see you review the Benq XL2546s, if you could somehow also get a non s variant to compare that would be phenomenal.
These are dreams though, spending money like that would be insane. Again thanks for the incredible reviews so far. If I ever upgrade my monitor i'm sending it to you first for review purposes.
Finally a monitor "Review" (:
Whoa! Hi! Good to hear from a fellow monitor reviewer!
lol you should do a review on this as well
@@ApertureGrille Have you tested if the monitor loses sharpness or black level (contrast) when overclocking to 280Hz? So overall you would recommend ELMB Sync as long as I hit +240fps in a game right? :) Since COVID 19, nothing is in stock T_T
@@LimsCave All the testing was done at the max refresh rate, so the 1050:1 contrast ratio should hold. And yeah, ELMB-Sync works pretty OK for 200+. It's not as clear as fixed strobing, but it's usable.
So to be fair, you basically did say that elmb sync is advantageous over non elmb if you can atleast maintain frames above 200. I figure (or at least I hope) that most people purchasing a monitor with a refresh rate this high intend to get frames that are at least relatively close to the limit, so if that's the case, then elmb sync should be an achievement for most people using this monitor using reasonably high refresh rates. I'd love to see you review a benq 2546 or 2546s to see how you think their ulmb implementation compares to both this monitor at 280 ulmb and crts
Something I realized after buying this monitor is that smooth gameplay feel has more to do with consistent frame pacing rather than high average framerate, and I should have just bought 240hz monitor with dyac premium from zowie
Really good review! Although I do have a question, what is the best OSD setting. I see that you have put that on the website but I don't what you recommended some settings such as the contrast.
Here is what's on the website: "Calibrated in Racing Mode, Color Temp. was set at "User Mode" with Red: 100, Green: 100, and Blue: 100. Brightness at 40."
Much appreciated if you can reply! :D
Thank you! Other settings should be default. For instance, contrast can be kept at 80, VividPixel at 0, no blue light filter, etc. On most LCDs, changing the contrast setting just clips either the low end or the high end.
@@ApertureGrille O, and also, instead of buying the 27". i bought the 24.5," everything should be the same except the screen size?
@@dragon86271 RTINGS has a VG259QM review, and they've got slightly different settings from mine. They used the same Racing Mode and other defaults, but 97-100-95 for RGB. Without using a colorimeter yourself, it's hard to say if you'd be making your calibration slightly better or slightly worse using those. It's the same technology in the panel from AU Optronics, but there will definitely be small differences between units.
Amazing content. You are so underrated.
Can you please review the Legion Y25-25? It's 240HZ with IPS and pretty low priced compared to its competitors.
As many of the other have stated, great content! i'd be interested in understand some of your testing methodology in more detail, i see that you cover some, but not all.
As far as monitors reviews go i'd like to make a suggestion. The AOC 24G2U has gotten a lot of good reviews, would be interesting to see how it fairs under your scrutiny.
Thank you! The first monitor review I did was in October last year:
th-cam.com/video/neVQfBy2w2Y/w-d-xo.html
It's... a bit rough, but it does explain the how/why for each measurement I take. If you watch from oldest to newest, I talk a bit more about how I measure in each successive video, but I think one of the more interesting findings is in the Acer KG271U review.
But if you have any specific questions, I'm happy to answer; almost no one asks about methodology.
I haven't done a review in a bit only because I don't have any monitors to test. I'm still too small a channel to get review samples, so I need to buy monitors. But I'll look into that AOC and a few other candidates.
@@ApertureGrille :) I noticed this video from your web sites 'How is this measured?' button.
I think your content is really valuable and maybe having a video dedicated to your measurement techniques and what that means for user experience would really help others.
to me the most interesting measurements are things like colour, input lag and response time. for example, my question could be: are you using a colorimeter, if so, which one?
it's my opinion that the vast majority of consumers are often out right fooled by marketing. I bought the AOC i mentioned, but i bought that knowing full well that the true performance of the monitor was somewhere around 120hz ( th-cam.com/video/6MHdeDv9bqI/w-d-xo.html ), not 144. there are much worse examples out there as I'm sure you know.
I really wish you the best of luck with your channel and i would seriously recommend that you find a way for people to support you early on to make those purchases
i especially liked your 'Input Lag and Frame Rate Limiters', very informative, as a side note, i really look forward to a day when people start talking about frame time instead of frame rate ^^
Hey nice video!
I've been wanting to ask you a couple questions since you uploaded this review, but I didn't really know how to put them so I dont sound too noobish lol but anyway:
1- First question is simple: If the input lag is high at a fixed 60 hz, why not use the monitor at a fixed 240 hz (since it's a multiple) with a console ? Is it not compatible?
2- I like your CADs technique to evaluate the perfomance of a monitor . I assume the way you see it is the less the CAD number the better since that's the way CRT's behave (instant very bright flash), but in a sample and hold way of displaying the image, is it the closest to zero the better? Wouldn't this cause a strong stroboscopic effect at low hz? Wouldn't it be better to have a reference (hypotethical perfect sample and hold response) CAD like for example a curve (or a triangle for simplicity) that converges to the end point within the frame window time or something like that idk?
Anyway keep up the great work!
Sorry the delayed reply!
I actually don't have any modern consoles (!), so I'm not familiar with how they behave when connected to high refresh displays. If they can do adaptive-sync at 240 or 280 Hz, that'd be much better for input lag. But what about something like a Switch?
You're correct about CAD: I accumulate the difference of the LCD transition compared to a "perfect" square wave transition: instantaneous OFF to ON (or vice versa), and so lower is "better." I put up an illustration here:
www.aperturegrille.com/about/Images/RT-About-New.png
But about that "better." I like your idea of using a linear response from low to high over the duration of the frame as the reference. At typical television framerates (24, 30), instantaneous transitions like OLED can look jarring from frame to frame, but low framerate content will never look great in motion. Even on slow VA televisions, 24 FPS content is both juddery and smeary. But the biggest problem I see is the average brightness level. Imagine a moving star field (or really just any moving white to black transition). If we used a linear ramp from black to white for each frame, the average brightness would be right in the middle: 50% gray, not white.
You can see what that looks like in my BenQ GW2760HS video where I show a star map (and Skyrim!) on a VA panel dimming:
th-cam.com/video/PvynyrES7IQ/w-d-xo.html
If you could take an OLED and "shape" its response to be linear rather than a square-wave wall, that type of dimming would also occur. Non-strobed displays will always have sample-and-hold blur, but we really do want their transitions to happen as fast as possible, so that's why I use a square wave as the reference.
Fantastic questions! I'm really excited when people ask about this sort of stuff! I wish I'd seen this sooner! Sorry!
Jesus Christ the best explained and most informative review on this monitor. Thank you so much for this 👍🏽
Btw would you prefer to get the 24.5’ model or stick with the 27’?? I’ve heard the sharpness is better but I have both and my blind eyes can’t tell the difference
Thanks! They use slightly different panels, and I've heard the 25" model is slightly more prone to temporary image retention, but they should both perform roughly the same. I'm not a big fan of small screens... the bigger, the better. But neither version will look amazing compared to a QHD screen.
The VG279QM is still my favorite 240+ Hz FHD screen, but for most people, and for me personally, I'd opt for a 27" QHD screen. The monitor I'm using right now is the Lenovo Y27q-20, which uses the same panel that's in LG's 27GL850, and it's a fantastic monitor.
This is the most comprehensive monitor review I've ever watched. Thank you! Do you think it'd be good to choose VG279QM over XG248Q for competitive gaming?
I'm really impressed with its response times, but you might be bothered by the low PPI. I wouldn't use it for desktop productivity (I have a QHD screen for that), but I don't mind the low PPI in games.
I bought the vg259qm which is the 25 inch variant. I live in singapore.
james madison where did you get yours ? Online or ?
@@hirzi1502 yup online from singapore
james madison how do you like it? Do you play comp games?
So question... What about the BenQ XL2546S? the 0.5ms one?
Im dying to know whether if i should go with the VG259QM, or the 2546S..
Someone did a pursuit camera test with both next to each other, the BenQ was better with dyac+.
@@ExposedChannel247 true true, unfortunately I'll have to wait till September to see what BenQ releases..
Few suggestions for some channel videos between monitor reviews. 1080p 24" vs 1440p 27" vs 27" 1080p for games,movies and general work, tn vs ips vs va general overview and explanation how they work, 60hz vs 144hz vs 240hz your user experience between different refresh rates, v sync vs adaptive sync vs g sync module, strobing overview, current state,flaws and needed future improvement.
Those are all really good suggestions. Sorry I haven't had much output on the channel; I typically try to stick with these longer reviews. I'd like to do a comparison of modern TN, IPS, and VA panels, but I'm still missing a good example of a fast VA.
fantastic explanation , Learnt a lot !!!
This monitor have less ghosting.
Which one would you recommend, Asus Tuf vg279qm or the vg27aq variant?
Which one has the least backlight bleed? Also, is there a huge different between this monitor’s 1080p vs 1440p?
great review. test benq zowie xl2546k please :)
I got this monitor the other day, and must say I am very disappointed in the screen display. However the hz is it’s only good thing 😢
Thanks for these interesting and detailed reviews. It's a bit too technical at times so I will have to watch the video again and your other videos to understand the information better.
I've been looking for a CRT like monitor for a long time. Seems like the ASUS VG279QM or the Viewsonic XG270 could be what i'm looking for but not sure. Since you say the ELMB sync isn't that great or useful I'm very interested to know about the XG270 motion blur option and if that monitor is worth it.
As of right now which IPS monitor do you think is the best for a game like Quake Live? Does Quake benefit from 280 hz and more or not really since the maxfps is 250 and 240 hz is enough?
the asus is better than the viewsonic, both work the same regarding elmb just called something differant. the elmb does work well at high refreshes.
asus is faster all around. would reccomend it
Excellent review, the only problem I'm having with this monitor is that I can only get it to 270hz at 280hz it goes black
Hi, like your work on this monitor. I´d like to ask if you would prefer Dell AW2720HF over ASUS VG279QM. Thanks.
Im having doubts about this monitor and the current BenQ Zowie XL2540, I mostly play fps games and so far all this 240hz monitor with low latency was TN panels. Do you think this one is similar to the BenQ XL2540? It could be a great comparative for your videos. The BenQ its a reference in gaming and many people is looking for such a good and detailed comparative.
Thanks
I'd love to take a look at any of the BenQ models with DyAc, but they're very expensive!
Diego Rial yeah I’m comparing this one with the benq zowie as well. But @a5hun is right, it’s too expensive
a5hun. The detail you've into is out of this world (even though I don't understand it all) I've got this monitor coming in about ten days and as I'm just your average console gaming jo I'm wondering what settings YOU would recommend for Xbox gaming on games like call of duty, battlefield, and FIFA 21. I've got the Xbox one X now but really got the monitor for the upcoming Xbox series X. Response time is what I'm after with the best possible picture. So if you could recommend what settings you think I should us I'd greatly appreciate it. And thank you.
Amazing review! I bought the VG259QM, cant calibrate it because i dont have the tools but messing a bit with the settings and its quite great! btw, which preset you use? racing? fps?