Its the calm offroad daily driver I wanted my xr 400 to be 😂 Dont get the hate for being chinese... CFMoto works with KTM, will build KTM bikes, 90% of any motorcycle components (european or japanese) are probably made in china anyway... just assemble elsewhere
People hated on Japanese cars/bikes when they first showed up in the USA because they weren't familiar with them. People hated on Hyundai/Kia when they first showed up in the USA because they weren't familiar with them. History is just repeating itself with Chinese products. Another channel (@DifferentSpokesTV) made an excellent video detailing all of this and talked about how CFM is taking a new approach to change to way people perceive Chinese products, where previously/traditionally Chinese manufacturers' main concern in the past was using economies of scale to bring products to market with little-to-no quality control, copy-cat engineering designs, sub-par materials, resulting in volume sales with rock bottom pricing. CFM is still using economies of scale, but they have actual R&D, quality control procedures, dealer networks, warranty standards, and leadership with passion for the sport. We just have to give it time for them to be largely accepted. This is the classic product life-cycle. CFM is still in the "introductory" phase where it is up to pioneer-consumers to be the early adopters that get the brand out there. Then, we'll see the growth phase (we may be in the infant stages of this phase already) where CFM has an explosion of demand for their products because consumers who traditionally would only buy a Japanese bike are now seeing the success and value of these Chinese products. We'll eventually get to the "maturity" phase of the lifecycle where CFM then becomes accepted into the realm of being a quality manufacturer, on par with the Japanese brands. Thanks for watching! Ride safe.
Yesterday I had the opportunity to talk to someone that was cfmoto representative about 5 years ago. He told me that he constantly organized rallies of cfmoto dune buggies and every ride at least one would break down. Now that’s dune buggies and 5 years ago but im not sure if i want to take that chance… he told me he’s never had a honda break down on him so i might go transalp
transalp is not a bad choice either, i just hate the filter situation, tbh the 450mt is being so hyped up lately that even in greece it's already has increased their price by 1k euro crazy, if it'll be the case when it comes in my country, the transalp is a better choice for me. yes a bit more expensive but that's double the performance at almost the same weight, I'm lightweight so I'm not going to need a fully adjustable suspension anyway, and always had tubed tires on my bikes.
@@metalsadman whats the price in greece? In costa rica the transalp is 15k, 450mt is 9k and nx500 (cb500x) is 10k. And these are the cheapest prices youll find in adv motorcycles… the tenere for example is 20k…
Look at what's going in China economically/culturally vs what's going on in Japan, and the answer should be very clear where most people should bet their money on.
@@JAMMAJ-cq2bl ended up buying one at 5’9 and I reach the ground with both feet although not flat footed. I feel a tiny bit cramped when sitting and the standing position is awful. I would actually prefer for it to be a bit taller
I live in China and today my neighbor took me to a CFmoto dealer, he was expecting the MT, but it won’t come in until tomorrow - so I rode the 450 NK and then the CL (cruiser). The NK is my preference but I’d have to get used to a really quick throttle response (I’m currently riding a Suzuki GW 250 - night and day difference in so many areas). As for the CL - it’s really a cool bike but I didn’t like the low RPM response, especially 1st-2nd gears, it wasn’t happy and felt like it was lurching. My neighbor rode it and said the same thing. My real wish is a 450 scrambler but it’s not in the works (they have the 250 and then the 700). Anyway I’ll be checking out the MT very soon - exciting times! (Also they’ll be discounting the price from the MSRP which here it’s around 31,000 rmb - maybe tomorrow I’ll have some real numbers and a test ride!).
@@Omni_Moto I rode it yesterday! Great experience, smooth shifting, comfy seat, turns easily and felt stable at low speed, did a few brake tests at 40-50km/h really solid. Definitely worth the effort to do a test ride - good torque and enjoyable all the way around (I’m 5’5” - balls of the feet-ish). They’ll be selling them next week- around 4k USD but no extras (crashbar, center stand etc) so we’ll see… I’ll go back for another ride in a few days.
@@GS-uy4xo Wicked cool! Thanks for sharing and updating us on that. I will continue to expect the bike to be a strong contender for all types of riders in the ADV segment.
400ish pounds isn't bad- Versys 300 is around 390 pounds, Seat looks wide enough to be comfortable. Good thing CFM provides demo bikes, cuz there will be loads of interest in this one.
Yeah people claim something is heavy or not but it’s usually not based on anything. It would be heavy if something with similar specs was lighter but there isnt.
I was very interested in this bike. However, 175 dry is going to end up 200+ by the time you add fuel, oil, rad fluid and battery.... As for the tubeless comment, tubeless tyres burp out air on rough terrain. For anything other than smooth dirt, tubed tyres are going to give less grief.
@@martythompson6509 c’mon man. The Kawasaki doesn’t even have 20 hp. It has 5 inches of travel up front, 5.8 In The rear and 7 inches of ground clearance. The cf moto bests all that by a bunch for 300$ more. The Kawasaki is a good bike but it’s a good soft roader at best.
The Versys is a pleasant little ride, but that's all I can really say about it. It has some decent off-road capability, but it's lacking in the power department compared to the Ibex 450 on paper. With a wet weight of ~420 pounds, the Ibex does come in heavier compared to the 386lbs shown on Kawasaki's website for the Versys - the Versys even has the edge in the power:weight calculation as well. That said, the Versys feels soulless and like a hollow shell of a motorcycle - saying that from experience of riding one in the wild. The Ibex 450 looks the part and has so many more desirable features that the Versys isn't bringing to the table. I'd be willing to guess Kawasaki has already decided it's time to develop a Versys 500 with their revised 400 mill, and CFM just beat them to the punch.
Yes, tubeless tires are not as prone to punctures when compared to a tire with a tube. If your tubed tire gets punctured, odds are your tube has taken a hit and your riding day is compromised until you remove the tire from the wheel, remove the tube, replace the tube, remount the tire/tube to the wheel, and then you can continue. With a tubeless tire, you can take a puncture, patch/plug said puncture, re-air, and continue your riding day. Here (th-cam.com/video/6mOGUYd-kYc/w-d-xo.html) is a great video on the subject.
I respect everyone's decision to purchase whatever they desire because ultimately what you buy does not change what I will buy. I recommend watching this video from @DifferentSpokesTV . He does a great job going into detail about what boycotting Chinese-made really means, and gives some good insight into the company of CFM. All the best. Thanks for watching. Ride safe!
@@fozzy1717 Not a single one of them are made with Chinese parts and my KTM is old enough to be all Austrian. I love Warp9 products for my DR650 but unfortunately half of their stuff is made in China.
@@jonwoodworker same here but most parts now are Chinese , the Yamaha t7 is mostly Chinese , kyb suspension offices in Japan , factory in china , most of the other bits made in china just built in France , all Yamaha parts made in china , Suzuki honda , KTM a going china , Ducati and BMW are about the best
@@jonwoodworker what bike are you riding? are you sure its pure Austrian? KTM LC8 engine is manufactured by CFMoto in China. In 2011 they signed a partnership to have CFmotor manufacture some engine parts for KTM.
Why would this make a splash? At that price I don't see why anyone in their right mind would choose this over a Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc. But really the same can be said about all of CFmoto. They're trying to sell Chinse bikes with Japanese bike pricing, I just don't see it working out well for CFmoto lol.
What's with this hate all about? CFMOTO is doing good great with their bikes just like other brands did. terms of built quality and wide network of dealership, they are just at par now with the japanese brands.
I'm a Chinese hater. But what Japanese Adventure or dual sport are you buying for $6500? A new DR650 is $7k. I love mine but would NEVER pay $7k for it. The MT/Ibex 450 is heads and tails better spec'd than a 300L. And the Honda CRF450 is $10k. You might want to do some research before you type.
Hey Omni dude! Can’t wait for my pre-order on this little beast🤟 The videos floating around China on its test rides shows it to be incredibly capable in seriously tough terrain. Pulling monos at will! Check them out! Cheers for all your efforts & get ready to enjoy your coming summer season 👌
This bike is a big deal! Some are having trouble seeing why it's such a unicorn for it's class, but once the real-world reviews hit (maybe you can do one 😉) I think we'll have a better understanding of what this bike can do. There are already a few clips of it running around and being a little animal! Check it out if you haven't yet. Riding: th-cam.com/video/Qw6AIy2UD8o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KfCCpnJ5vIA7Ru6C Unboxing: th-cam.com/video/ctkLAMJlgH4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=45JpA-vC3F-cM5a8
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Its the calm offroad daily driver I wanted my xr 400 to be 😂
Dont get the hate for being chinese... CFMoto works with KTM, will build KTM bikes, 90% of any motorcycle components (european or japanese) are probably made in china anyway... just assemble elsewhere
People hated on Japanese cars/bikes when they first showed up in the USA because they weren't familiar with them. People hated on Hyundai/Kia when they first showed up in the USA because they weren't familiar with them. History is just repeating itself with Chinese products. Another channel (@DifferentSpokesTV) made an excellent video detailing all of this and talked about how CFM is taking a new approach to change to way people perceive Chinese products, where previously/traditionally Chinese manufacturers' main concern in the past was using economies of scale to bring products to market with little-to-no quality control, copy-cat engineering designs, sub-par materials, resulting in volume sales with rock bottom pricing. CFM is still using economies of scale, but they have actual R&D, quality control procedures, dealer networks, warranty standards, and leadership with passion for the sport.
We just have to give it time for them to be largely accepted. This is the classic product life-cycle. CFM is still in the "introductory" phase where it is up to pioneer-consumers to be the early adopters that get the brand out there. Then, we'll see the growth phase (we may be in the infant stages of this phase already) where CFM has an explosion of demand for their products because consumers who traditionally would only buy a Japanese bike are now seeing the success and value of these Chinese products. We'll eventually get to the "maturity" phase of the lifecycle where CFM then becomes accepted into the realm of being a quality manufacturer, on par with the Japanese brands.
Thanks for watching! Ride safe.
Yesterday I had the opportunity to talk to someone that was cfmoto representative about 5 years ago. He told me that he constantly organized rallies of cfmoto dune buggies and every ride at least one would break down. Now that’s dune buggies and 5 years ago but im not sure if i want to take that chance… he told me he’s never had a honda break down on him so i might go transalp
transalp is not a bad choice either, i just hate the filter situation, tbh the 450mt is being so hyped up lately that even in greece it's already has increased their price by 1k euro crazy, if it'll be the case when it comes in my country, the transalp is a better choice for me. yes a bit more expensive but that's double the performance at almost the same weight, I'm lightweight so I'm not going to need a fully adjustable suspension anyway, and always had tubed tires on my bikes.
@@metalsadman whats the price in greece? In costa rica the transalp is 15k, 450mt is 9k and nx500 (cb500x) is 10k. And these are the cheapest prices youll find in adv motorcycles… the tenere for example is 20k…
Look at what's going in China economically/culturally vs what's going on in Japan, and the answer should be very clear where most people should bet their money on.
@@metalsadman I`m 5`11 sat on a Transalp yesterday and she is tall, perhaps it can be adjusted but probably not much. Its a Honda thou, good luck.
@@JAMMAJ-cq2bl ended up buying one at 5’9 and I reach the ground with both feet although not flat footed. I feel a tiny bit cramped when sitting and the standing position is awful. I would actually prefer for it to be a bit taller
I live in China and today my neighbor took me to a CFmoto dealer, he was expecting the MT, but it won’t come in until tomorrow - so I rode the 450 NK and then the CL (cruiser). The NK is my preference but I’d have to get used to a really quick throttle response (I’m currently riding a Suzuki GW 250 - night and day difference in so many areas). As for the CL - it’s really a cool bike but I didn’t like the low RPM response, especially 1st-2nd gears, it wasn’t happy and felt like it was lurching. My neighbor rode it and said the same thing. My real wish is a 450 scrambler but it’s not in the works (they have the 250 and then the 700). Anyway I’ll be checking out the MT very soon - exciting times! (Also they’ll be discounting the price from the MSRP which here it’s around 31,000 rmb - maybe tomorrow I’ll have some real numbers and a test ride!).
Very nice, very cool! Update us if you get to throw a leg over the MT/Ibex! Thanks for sharing.
@@Omni_Moto I rode it yesterday! Great experience, smooth shifting, comfy seat, turns easily and felt stable at low speed, did a few brake tests at 40-50km/h really solid. Definitely worth the effort to do a test ride - good torque and enjoyable all the way around (I’m 5’5” - balls of the feet-ish). They’ll be selling them next week- around 4k USD but no extras (crashbar, center stand etc) so we’ll see… I’ll go back for another ride in a few days.
@@GS-uy4xo Wicked cool! Thanks for sharing and updating us on that. I will continue to expect the bike to be a strong contender for all types of riders in the ADV segment.
400ish pounds isn't bad- Versys 300 is around 390 pounds, Seat looks wide enough to be comfortable. Good thing CFM provides demo bikes, cuz there will be loads of interest in this one.
Yeah people claim something is heavy or not but it’s usually not based on anything. It would be heavy if something with similar specs was lighter but there isnt.
Versys is wet, Ibex is dry weight.
I was very interested in this bike. However, 175 dry is going to end up 200+ by the time you add fuel, oil, rad fluid and battery....
As for the tubeless comment, tubeless tyres burp out air on rough terrain. For anything other than smooth dirt, tubed tyres are going to give less grief.
@@martythompson6509 c’mon man. The Kawasaki doesn’t even have 20 hp. It has 5 inches of travel up front, 5.8 In The rear and 7 inches of ground clearance. The cf moto bests all that by a bunch for 300$ more. The Kawasaki is a good bike but it’s a good soft roader at best.
The Versys is a pleasant little ride, but that's all I can really say about it. It has some decent off-road capability, but it's lacking in the power department compared to the Ibex 450 on paper. With a wet weight of ~420 pounds, the Ibex does come in heavier compared to the 386lbs shown on Kawasaki's website for the Versys - the Versys even has the edge in the power:weight calculation as well.
That said, the Versys feels soulless and like a hollow shell of a motorcycle - saying that from experience of riding one in the wild.
The Ibex 450 looks the part and has so many more desirable features that the Versys isn't bringing to the table. I'd be willing to guess Kawasaki has already decided it's time to develop a Versys 500 with their revised 400 mill, and CFM just beat them to the punch.
Puncture resistance?
Hmm
Yes, tubeless tires are not as prone to punctures when compared to a tire with a tube. If your tubed tire gets punctured, odds are your tube has taken a hit and your riding day is compromised until you remove the tire from the wheel, remove the tube, replace the tube, remount the tire/tube to the wheel, and then you can continue.
With a tubeless tire, you can take a puncture, patch/plug said puncture, re-air, and continue your riding day.
Here (th-cam.com/video/6mOGUYd-kYc/w-d-xo.html) is a great video on the subject.
I do my best to NEVER buy anything Chinese. But this bike might make me a riding contradiction.
Good chance the bike you ride or parts of the bike is Chinese made
I respect everyone's decision to purchase whatever they desire because ultimately what you buy does not change what I will buy.
I recommend watching this video from @DifferentSpokesTV . He does a great job going into detail about what boycotting Chinese-made really means, and gives some good insight into the company of CFM.
All the best. Thanks for watching. Ride safe!
@@fozzy1717 Not a single one of them are made with Chinese parts and my KTM is old enough to be all Austrian. I love Warp9 products for my DR650 but unfortunately half of their stuff is made in China.
@@jonwoodworker same here but most parts now are Chinese , the Yamaha t7 is mostly Chinese , kyb suspension offices in Japan , factory in china , most of the other bits made in china just built in France , all Yamaha parts made in china , Suzuki honda , KTM a going china , Ducati and BMW are about the best
@@jonwoodworker what bike are you riding? are you sure its pure Austrian? KTM LC8 engine is manufactured by CFMoto in China. In 2011 they signed a partnership to have CFmotor manufacture some engine parts for KTM.
Why would this make a splash? At that price I don't see why anyone in their right mind would choose this over a Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc.
But really the same can be said about all of CFmoto. They're trying to sell Chinse bikes with Japanese bike pricing, I just don't see it working out well for CFmoto lol.
What's with this hate all about? CFMOTO is doing good great with their bikes just like other brands did. terms of built quality and wide network of dealership, they are just at par now with the japanese brands.
There’s nothing on the market with these specs at that price
I'm a Chinese hater. But what Japanese Adventure or dual sport are you buying for $6500? A new DR650 is $7k. I love mine but would NEVER pay $7k for it. The MT/Ibex 450 is heads and tails better spec'd than a 300L. And the Honda CRF450 is $10k. You might want to do some research before you type.
@@jonwoodworker I 100 percent agree. Nothing on the market comes close with these specs.
They are coming 10-20% lower on price point and giving more features that people want standard.
Hey Omni dude! Can’t wait for my pre-order on this little beast🤟 The videos floating around China on its test rides shows it to be incredibly capable in seriously tough terrain. Pulling monos at will!
Check them out!
Cheers for all your efforts & get ready to enjoy your coming summer season 👌
This bike is a big deal! Some are having trouble seeing why it's such a unicorn for it's class, but once the real-world reviews hit (maybe you can do one 😉) I think we'll have a better understanding of what this bike can do. There are already a few clips of it running around and being a little animal! Check it out if you haven't yet.
Riding: th-cam.com/video/Qw6AIy2UD8o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KfCCpnJ5vIA7Ru6C
Unboxing: th-cam.com/video/ctkLAMJlgH4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=45JpA-vC3F-cM5a8
@@Omni_Moto you’re on it🤙
Kind of liked the gloves and helmet.
Gloves are in my description if you want to snag a set! Thanks for watching. 😎
This one I will buy methinks. Was going to pick up a 300ss as a starter, but I'm much more interested in this.
Get what your heart truly desires, don't compromise! Thanks for watching. 💞