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No. First, it is a Chinese company even though so many parts are made in China for all the mfg's, I think it's worth trying not to buy Chinese when possible and the fueling would be really annoying since I've experienced that before. A lot of good options though. Cruise control being the biggest convenience option that other bikes in this class missed!:(
Super interested in the 650 ADVENTURA. Can you review one of those and compare to the less tech for more money KLR650? I can't be the only one wondering between those two bikes.
Have been owning this bike for almost a year (around 20.000 km currently), the review is pretty much on point, thanks for your work. A couple of things I'd like to add: 1) Fueling issue. You have to go to the dealership and force them to update fuel mapping, then the problem goes away. The update has been available for a year, so no idea why new bike doesn't have the latest mapping. 2) Crash Durability I've used this bike quite a lot offroad riding different terrains (rocks, sand, gravel). And I've dropped the bike may times on all of them. Sometimes it has fallen on the hard rocks in the mountains and rolled away. No damage to the bike whatsoever (except for cosmetics like paint and crash bars, obviously) 3) Realiability Considering how I treated this bike, I would say the conditions were at the worse 99% percentile of how people would use machine like this. The only problem i had was that protective layer of the dashboard started to peel off after half a year- the entire screen was replaced under warranty. Nothing else has gone wrong. 4) Offroad It can be ridden offroad quite hard, although definitely there are better machines for that. But I have been riding with guys on Tenere, Africa twin, KTM 890, Tuareg for a year and haven't been in a single situation, when the bike didn't pull through. So this bike will limit you only if you progressed enough, train regularly and seek harder and harder challenges.
You still have the bike, comment still holding true? I sat on S today and it was phenomenal how it felt natural to me and so comfortable, HD Pan Am felt cheaper at $10k higher price tag, and Kawasaki was close to it but felt better build quality. There’s just something about 800, I’m thinking about pulling a trigger.
Nothing better like an honest comment from an actual owner. I thought the engine issue was just a mapping adjustment, BRM should have known that either.
I know this is subjective thing but I think this might be the best looking adventure bike out there. The styling is spot on. It’s actually a beautiful looking bike that’s not quirky or over the top. Those headlights just look good!
I am quite surprised to see such opinion. I think the design is one of the big downsides of this bike, even though it looks better in person and better than KTM.
I’ve owned the 800MT for over 12 months and I’ve got 22000km on it. I love it. No problems, nothing has broken or fallen off. The fueling was improved with an ECU update from CFMoto. There was a recall for 2022 models to replace the water pump impeller which has been carried out by the dealer. Like you said in your video ,it is an Adventure tourer and it does that very well. Best value for money out there.
I've tested it and I liked it. Then after 2 days I tested the V-Strom 800 DE and I understood why Chinese manufacturers still have a long way to go. And despite having less features and a slightly high price (at least here in Europe) at the end I purchased the Suzuki. Thank you for your great review.
@@IRQ1Conflict Yes. You are right. But they are often compared on TH-cam reviews especially with the Transalp 😉 as they shared the 21" front wheel (not the IBEX of course) and the 800 cc engine.
Hi Ian, I purchased the 2023 Ibex800T , my main consideration was cost, I couldnt buy a decent used Adv Touring bike at the price of this new bike. Used bike prices are out of control like everything else is. My CFMOTO dealer is very close and reputable, and there was no price gouging with my purchase. The throttle issues you mentioned have been mitigated in a couple of ways, for me there was resetting the Throttle mapping (Turn the bike on with the throttle wide open, don't start it though, count to 60 , turn it off and start it normally), and also tightening the carb to airbox connectors (night and day differnce) and also received an OTA update through the CFMOTO Ride app that addressed an MTU error message (It updated cooling fan logic that was causing it)
I bought one a month and a half ago and already have about 1500 miles on it. It's a great commuter, does great on the highway with cruise control, and does great offroad with better tires. I put Kenda Big Blocks on mine and rode it for about 700 miles one weekend on a camping trip with about 200 miles of forest roads. I'm loving it so far! I traded up from a KTM 390 Adventure.
I think they have for the price a very good starting platform with room to build on. Give them a couple of years with customer feedback and I think they will be able to compete well with the middle leaguers. Great review as always.
I commented on the last video talking about this bike and I’m glad you posted the video. But I’ve had 22 motorcycles since 2018 and that’s persists over all brands and their newer models. I have to say that I’m blown away by my CFmoto 450ss. For the price it checks so many boxes. In the Facebook groups I’m in some people have over 25,000 miles on there’s and it’s been fine. I’m convinced that this brand is hitting the market hard and the Japanese need to be focused on CFmoto. My H2 which is kawasakis premium line doesn’t even come close to the features my 450 has. That’s a bike that’s 5,400$ beating my 20,000$ bike. Yeah the h2 is faster but that’s about all it has to offer. Personally I’m pumped that CFmoto is throwing a hand in the game because when there’s competition between brands the winner is the customer👍🏼
Just turned 4k miles on my 800T and I love it! I mostly commute to work (95 miles highway) on it and I’ve taken it camping a few times (a little gravel road action) I’m coming from a cbr600rr. I’m new to the ADV world and this is a perfect intro for me. And I think the bike is beautiful! Can’t wait to go on more adventures on it! Great review 🤙
I’m really considering going from my cbr954rr to the adv space and this bike is on my list. There’s others but I’m also using it to commute about 120miles per day, so cruise control is nice. Have you had any issues at all that stand out?
@@willwilder5269 well I’m at about 9k miles now and I still love it. I did have an issue where the tft display was delaminating on the edges and also my luggage rack was starting to rust and lose paint where my boxes were contacting the rack, but issues were taken care of under warranty. The warranty is 2 years / unlimited miles. Just hoping the same thing won’t happen with the new parts but I still have about 10 months of warranty left. I haven’t had issues with anything else. And yes, cruise control is amazing for the commute!
@@ryanm6869 awesome! This is good to know seeing I should be picking up mine tomorrow. I wonder if some clear coat on the new set could help prevent the rust from happening again? How’s the quick shifter been to you?
@@willwilder5269 well hopefully they fixed the paint issue. If it happens again and it’s out of warranty, I might just sand blast and powder coat it at that point. I guess you’ll be picking up a 2024 model? The quick shifter has been good. I rarely use it to upshift (I feel the clutch is smoother when not accelerating hard), but I use it every time I downshift and it’s delightful!
@@ryanm6869 no it’s actually a 2023 but fully loaded with all of cf’s accessories, and this is good to know makes me feel better about the purchase I’ll probably just send out the crash bars and bags to get powder coated ahead of time. Looking forward to how the bike holds up at 15,000 miles!
In Australia we have the Explore model. 6 riding modes abs off on either rear or both wheels, traction control and revised engine. 3 kw less power and much smoother throttle. Redline now at 8000 rpm. Apple carplay etc. Way better than the 800 Touring. Hopefully you get this model soon.
After reading your comment I did a bit of research and it appears we are getting the Explore model now (25' model) potentially. If that's the case, I'm planning on picking one up.
I really want this bike but I’m waiting for Explorer edition which has traction control and blind spot detection. The throttle mapping is being revised with software updates and continues to improve. There as also an overheating bug that has now been resolved, again with a software update. Which I believe will be the main issue owners will experience. The hardware is known and should not be a concern but the software is a little unrefined but is improving which would give me confidence. The only other thing I would do is look over the bike very carefully just to make sure everything is tightened correctly and don’t be concerned if there is some coolant that leaks out (people have remarked that it had been over filled).
We all know the throttle control could adjusted through a piggyback system. But, for the first time out of the chute this bike offers an alternative to the current crop of overpriced adventure bikes. Great early review, thanks!!
I purchased one and I really enjoy it. It's my first adventure style bike and your right there are pros and cons. I like the seat height and all the features. I'm more commuter and tourer vs off roader but if I see a dirt road no problem. I just put it on rain mode. Thanks for video
Exactly the same comments from my side; I’ve put 5,000 miles on it and I love the comfort and features; as I only do light off-road it works just fine for me…it’s all a matter of what you need from a motorbike. I added a wind deflector and it’s great for road riding
Thanks Ian There is an OEM software ECU fix for that first gear jerkiness. It’s kind of a recall that was probably not done yet on the US bikes. Our friends from down under were the first to point it out to CF Moto and they fixed it with a software upgrade. It looks like a fantastic bike for what you pay 🍻🍻
That is correct. Here in Australia we have fixed that ecu problem and it’s like a completely different bike. Pickup has improved through all gears. CFMOTO heard about it and kept in contact with the Gus doing it and liked what they did. I believe KTM are also looking at the new ecu as well.
I sat on the Ibex T at a dealer last weekend. It looks appealing. I saw a you tube from Australia that said they have a computer fix for the herky jerky throttle. It appears top heavy with a full fuel tank. I think it would be good on the highway. I wouldn’t take it off road. I like the leg room on the Ibex for comfort. My concern is with our trade relationship with China, I worry about getting parts. Otherwise it seems like a deal to me. I have ridden an Electraglide for 23 years and a Goldwing for about that long before. So I like a bike that my wife and I can tour on. Great review as usual Ian. Thanks.😎
What’s cool about this bike is you can do updates using your phone. I thought I heard there was a fueling update available??? And there is an updated model out(maybe not in the us) that has traction control ect The things that make this bike stand out from the Japanese competition are it’s tubeless spoked wheels(which all adv bikes should have) and the nice looking headlight/fairing/front end, which the Suzuki and Honda are both lacking
Hi Ian, thank you for reviewing this CFmoto. I just recently became aware of this brand and bought a 450ss which has been great. But, my interest in adventure bikes is growing, and I would love to see more of the middleweight bikes at this price point. I would definitely consider this bike, but I think they will get better for offroad versatility in a couple years.
Bear Butte in the background! The first year of Get On! I stayed in the first cabin right behind you on the corner, awesome view of the butte! Seriously considering this bike for my larger ADV, but I wasn’t able to check it out during the fest this year.
I don't see myself going down the CFMOTO road for some time. There are things I like about their bikes... and things I don't; Ian always does a very nice job covering that stuff in his pieces. Price is appealing. But, I spend long hours in the saddle and sometimes wander long distances in random routes; so, dealer network and known reliability is a big deal and I typically keep to Honda and Yamaha for that type of riding. Ergos are very important to me, too. I hope CFMOTO continues to grow and improve and I'll keep an eye on them for now. (I noticed we didn't get the long shot ergo set up/leg position usually in these reviews... no camera stand, perhaps)
This bike is a big seller here in Greece (it's called cfmoto 800mt here). It has really low price and is full of tech. The spec sheet looks great but in reality the bike has a big issue. The fueling is terrible. I suppose the problem has to do with emmisions. You are basically forced to change the fuel mapping and lose warranty. After the change the bike is actually ok. Decent tourer, mediocre on road and pretty bad off road. It would be worth the price tag if it ever sorted out the fuelling. P.s. Could you do a review of the new voge dsx 525, a bike which after riding it, i consider it to be the best bargain of the motorcycle world right now?
The fuelling issue has been sorted with a free download from CFM (no tampering or lost warranty) and the remaining issue in this video is just constant throttle at 3k rpm or 20km/h in first gear. The vast majority of riders will never experience that.
Ian, I normally love your reviews - but this one is clearly biased and surprises me. The Tenere 700 is sprung for a 75kg rider, and MUST have work done to make it useful. Yet you smash the CF Moto bike for its basic suspension setup.??? No doubt there is a fix for the fuel issue in first gear - yet you seem to assume that your stuck with it? Rather than just pump out a negative review - if there are obvious bike issues (fuel surging etc) then hand the bike back and review it when the supplier is happy it's been set up correctly. Your first ever disappointing review. (and no, I don't own one)
I’ll be blunt, I wouldn’t buy the bike as it a Chinese company. I know many components from every bike are from China however I try to avoid as much as possible. I’d rather buy a used KTM, BMW, Honda, Suzuki etc. I think buying a Chinese bike today is like buying a German bike in 1938.
Thank you for this traditionally exceptional review. Speaking as a young-minded geezer, this bike appears to be the perfect value-laden bike to transition to from a much heavier cruiser that I currently ride. And cruise control is not a feature that comes with many bikes at that price point. My wrists will thank me, to be sure. Thanks again.
If KTM/Husqvarna didn't exist with their big lead on traction control features and the low-slung tank design, I would seriously consider this over other Japanese or Euro offerings. I may still choose the Tuareg 660 over this but that would come solely from the Tuareg being (arguably) the best in class for small-midsize ADVs (ie, not 900s), which I was really looking for as a newer rider who was new to dirt. The Husky 901 sold me because of the software and tank design, making it a much less intimidating bike despite the fact that it has ridiculous power (the high-power was somewhat appealing as it would help keep me interested longer term and be more comfortable on long highway trips through the mountains). I guess KTM has the low tank idea patented because I don't know why more manufacturers aren't going that direction for these already tall, top heavy bikes.
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Ian Great review. I think for the budget price there's some dollar room for some fixes to make the bike whatever you want. Yeah, it's Chinese but so are BMW's, other KTM's and other manufacturers medium range bikes. Well done Sir with no scathing comments from me or my Mannequin. Ride SAFE and BE safe Ian! 👍👍
I currently own a KTM 390 ADV but was on the lookout to replace my Yamaha FZS1000 for two up touring. Came across one of these in my local KTM dealer (KTM are the distributor here in the UK) I didn’t know anything about cf Moto but recognised the motor. I was shocked at what great value for money this bike is. cf Moto are including the aluminium luggage in with the price as a promotion. I’ve owned this bike for 1 week now and so far I’m super impressed. I agree with all of your comments. Hopefully the low speed fuelling issue will be dealt with by software updates at some point. I’m also looking to replace the screen probably with a puig screen with adjustable wind deflector. I’ve also got an issue with the mirrors moving in the wind, the dealer has said they will replace at 1st (600 mile) service but I feel that I may need to look at alternatives such as double take mirrors. Really enjoyed your review of this bike 👍🏻
At the time I was purchasing a bike, this bike was not in shops in my area. After all was said and done, I ended up purchasing a 2023 KTM 890 adventure. Purchasing the KTM was reminiscent of purchasing my BMW R1200 GS….getting nickeled and dimed for every feature I wanted. Even though more expensive, I believe I would still choose the KTM over the IBEX 800T.
I bought one in the spring to replace my 2014 second gen V-Strom 1000. Your review is accurate as always. My dealer is working with a third party on the mapping to help the surge you find at that 3000 rpm. You are correct it is pretty bad. Other than that the bike has been fantastic. almost 4000 kms and no issues. much more comfortable and composed compared to the V-Strom. The bikes are $14800 out the door in Cnd dollars.=$10874 usd $13800+ freight+PDI etc. However the Touring comes with all the luggage here which is very high quality. We have a 5 year warranty in Canada. So far pretty happy with my purchase.
In Europe we now get an updated 800MT Explore Edition wich has the surging issue completely resolved, has TC, 6 ride modes, lane assist, rear crash radar, MMI 8 inch screen with Apple CarPlay, better suspension. You should try that when it comes to the US. I'd say it is the best bang for buck adv motorcycle currently on the market anywhere in the world.
I rode a few different of the 800 Ts at a ride event. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just one bike over the other. I had the same conclusion. The fueling is off. I mentioned it to the ride organizers for CF Moto and they tried to play it down. But I definitely noticed it. I have viewed several other videos saying the same thing about fueling. I hope they get it fixed. Additionally, I would want a taller windshield and wider too. I was very tempted, but just couldn't pull the trigger.
I was hoping for a better review off road. Other reviewers have only tested the pavement, which like you said, a good touring bike. Sat on both the Ibex and the 800DE. Really liked the feel of the Ibex and it’s $1000 cheaper. As you said on the Suzuki 800DE review,if it only had cruise control. So it looks like this review is going to cost me an extra thousand, but at least I’ll know what I’m getting.
Good fair review, seems the engine is great apart form the fueling, the rest of the bike not too bad! Cheap as chips if we're honest. Not sure if I'd be brave enough to buy one!
@BigRockMoto. Here in Greece CF Moto is selling a lot of these bikes (800 MT is named) with dealers in every major city and with its price (9900Euros~10700USD) is a fair bike (but with unknown reliability). In order to compare KTM 790 costs (11750Euros~12700USD). If Chinese brands want they should provide reliable bikes and i suppose they will.....
Reliability? I had 9 months of torture in the deep, dark depths of Hells Ninth Circle; Harley Davidson Pan America Ownership, the forums are still full of problem bikes. I bet the CFMOTO will be just fine compared to HD.
I've owned the Adventura 650 for a year now and have put 15,000 highway miles on it. I've been pleased so far. I'll probably upgrade to the IBEX next year. I think you get a lot of bike for the money with a CF Moto. I'd love to have a Versys 1000, but I'd much rather keep the extra 10K in my pocket.
The are trying to get your business by providing a great bundle you get for the money. That is hard to ignore as you would probably spend a extra 4-5000 an a Transalp for example to get the same spec and you still don't have CC. However, sometimes its just small issues that proved to be deal breakers no matter how good the value is. The surge issue has been around a quite some time I heard and I can believe that they still haven't resolved that. I took one for a spin and it had serious vibration issues at around 3000 rpm in every gear. It was really noticeable and very annoying. Could you live with it, yes but I had to ask myself why should I have to ? At the end I decided that this would piss me off every single time I would go through the 3000rpm spot and I was not willing to put up with that. Ended up buying a Honda where everything just works properly. (PS: My riding buddy has just bought one and tells me that they fixed that issue I had. He fell for the package 😁)
I’ve dealt with a lot of Chinese made aftermarket parts for cars and not been impressed. It’s basically a finicky European motor in a finicky Chinese motorcycle. If I wanted finicky I’d buy a Tuareg ‘cause at least it’s sexy. At the end of the day I wanted reliable so I bought a Tenere.
I watch your content ( top of the charts ) virtually for free, so you asked a direct question, impolite not to answer. I would consider & maybe purchase this bike, though I don't know where. Might regret it, used to Japanese reliability & availability. Feature laden for sure, good looking, but my V-Strom is still hitting the right mark.
This bike is very good looking and well equipped within this price bracket however they need to work on its ride quality for sure. I still think they need to lower the price to get more buyers on board as it is to near to better mainstream bikes. Would be interesting to know the price of one in China no doubt a lot less than we’re paying? Thanks for the review much appreciated 👍
Question for everyone. I have a Honda NC750X brand new, 2023 DCT. It's high on refinement, low in features. I am interested in touring (and don't need more power). Would you recomend to accesorize the NC or swap for a MT ? I did a test drive with the NC, exacly my thoughts. Low refinement, lots of small issues.
So far out all the reviews on yhis bike you are the only one I can think of has mentioned the Jerky throttle at low speed.. great video Ian love you reviews.. you are brutally honest
I just bought the 2023 cf Moto ibex 800 s For $9,400. I have about 1700 miles on it so far. it does have some issues with the engine noise at idle it is a little loud for me also the fueling is twitchy at low speeds and my other grIpe is the engine heat from the engine On hot days it hits you on your knees and shins. I have had an issue with the MCU or ECU failure light coming on a couple of times but turns off when riding in hot conditions stop and go traffic this keeps you from scrolling back and forth through your TFT screen menu. I've heard this can be fixed with a software upgrade from CF Moto Also I heard it is caused by the radiator fan not functioning correctly. So far I like the ibex 800 s I haven't taken off road yet other than a short gravel road it's pretty smooth and I have the stock maxis street tires on it. So far I'm pretty happy with my purchase I'm looking forward to the aftermarket accessories and parts to come out. There are some Chinese aftermarket parts out there but not a lot other than CF Moto which are not cheap. No sure what the long term reliability will be? I've seen people on youtube with 5000 miles with no problems other than MCU failure and the surging at slow speeds. I think if you are on a Budget and your in the market for a middle weight adv motorcycle this is a good bike. Is it a BMW , triumph tiger or a Africa twin? No! I just moved up from a klr 650 definitely a step up especially the 95hp and the options you get. Hopefully I'll get many more smile miles from the CF Moto 800 ibex. Great video review on the Cf Moto ibex 800t there are pros and cons with this motorcycle. All I can say is go test ride one and see for yourself if you like it.
I looked at these, felt like it was top heavy and tippy, fit and finish was ok, not great not bad just ok. Personally I was a bit worried about parts availability down the road, for several reasons. Being a new offering and first step in the market I feel like there will be changes coming soon that will limit parts support in the future, short model run usually means short parts runs. Low speed off into some brush, may not be able to get parts kind of stuff. Also other reasons to not be able to get parts from China are possible. I also considered if I want to change some of the accessories will there be aftermarket support? I think for those who just want a turn key one and done out the door bike it is a lot of bike for the money, for those who like to tinker and keep bikes for years it may not be the best. I do own a CF Moto 800XC four wheeler and have been perfectly happy with it so far.
I just got done looking at these bikes in Southern California. What a great video, in fact I was waiting for you to do one of these, and here you are testing the bike. For the price point this bike comes with all the bells and whistles one could wish for. I’m personally on the fence about buying this bike because of all the issues you brought up. I think I’ll wait another two years or so to see if they stick around and fix some of the issues that you mentioned. PS if the Chinese can build a bike with all these bells and whistles, why can’t Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda put on just a simple cruise control on their middleweight bikes?? Again thank you for the very informative video.
I mean, for a couple thousand more than a KLR 650 and a thousand less than a Tenere 700 (real pricing) seems like a good purchase for long distance touring, especially if you're like me and been riding a Gen 1 KLR for years and years as a pseudo ADV Tourer.
Ian, you really got the point about this motorcycle. It is a great highway motorcycle and after having it for around 3 months I would buy another one if the fuelling is fixed for sure. @cfmoto, please fix the fuelling asap and let everyone know.
I bought one. Has about 4700 miles on it now. So far I love the bike. My only gripe is the same as yours and CFMoto needs to fix that low RPM fueling problem. It does it for me in any gear between 2500 and 3000 rpms
I am happy with my mt800 but I rang the dealer and asked if they have had any feedback about fueling issues and they said No. Makes me wonder now that I know it is not just me.
I’d love to see this bike in five years time with 50,000 miles on the clock. Only it won’t do 50,000 miles. It’ll be in a supermarket somewhere wrapped round some baked beans.
Great review, however at this price you could get a competitor pre-owned for the same amount, or close to that number. True, all of the features here would not be there, but I would lean towards a more recognized manufacturer. Maybe CFMoto will up their game some and bring a little more competition soon, but CFMoto is not a disaster by any means.
Chinese motorcycles look the part. Corrosion, engine life, bearing life, these will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, the Japanese brands have the edge on reliability by a wide margin. After owning American, Russian, German, Austrian, and Japanese motorcycles over the years, I'm sticking with the Japanese. They may not be the sexiest but by golly they won't leave you stranded or cost you a paycheck every few months for maintenance.
Mapping Issue: perhaps you’re lugging the engine. User error? Try shifting above 4,500 on the tach. Lugging disappears. I’ve got 12K+ on mine and don’t have any issues.
Keep going back to dealer to look at it - I want to like it but the suspension is the most horrible I could find on any adv bike there. I could barely get it to budge and it looked like forks and shock were at their "lightest " setting. Putting slight pressure on the seats of most other bikes made them move easily- plush! Can't imagine what the ibex would ride like.
I would buy a Transalp instead. Same price, lighter, better looking, and it's a Honda. I would miss the cruise control and the tubeless wheels, though.
I'd buy one. Based on what I've heard from many owners and testers, it's a great bike. Plus, with all you get for the price, you can't beat it. Cruise control, heated seat and grips, engine protection, center stand, etc. If I were in the market for a new bike, this would be high on the list.
do you think , as now the new ktm 790 is now made in china … maybe ktm engines have been chinese made for a long time without telling us , could that be why ktm has reliability problems on the current 790 & 890
My opinion on cfmoto in general is that if they're going to offer cheap Chinese made bikes, then they need to be actuality inexpensive. Otherwise, if they want to compete evenly with the rest of the market, then they need to make them better.
Your flaw is labeling them "cheap Chinese" when the goal is parity with all other brands. As others have commented that own the 450ss and other models, many of their models are already as good or better than the competition. And their prices are still cheaper with that matching or better quality. I've seen the 300NK and 700 CL-X i person, and they have just as good fit and finish as anyone with their own style. Sure beats HD selling bikes for top $ but having little to no horsepower and outdated tech....
@@ws8080 We have evidence to the contrary in this very video that they aren't up to par with their intended competitors. Inadequate rear suspension and poor fueling off the top of my head. I'm afraid you've failed to sway me.
Having an Ibex for an extended 2 week demo then comparing it to the Suzuki 800 after a 1 week demo… the Ibex is a far better value for the money especially considering the included features, crash bars, cruise control, heated seat/grips, quick shifter, tubeless wheels .. etc compared to the Suzuki…in Suzuki’ s ‘win” category is a slightly better build quality, engine note and dealer network… but comparably priced to the Ibex, you’d have to throw $3k if not more at the Suzuki to have similar features… both windscreens suck. neither bike comes with hard cases so that another $1500+.. Fueling issue with the Ibex I demo’d was a non issue because it had been remapped… A central Florida CFMoto dealership quoted and OTD prices of $13,500, without the factory hard cases… that’s another $1500.. So which bike would I buy apples to apples?…. for an additional $500 over the price of the Ibex(with 3 hard cases) …I went with the 2023 MotoGuzzi V85TT Adventure….and the MotoGuzzi dealer threw in a factory taller windscreen and center stand….
I was thinking this would make a decent tourer with some soft-roading on the side, but for that I'd rather have a Guzzi. Hope you're liking yours. Although the CF's heated seat is tempting...
@@russellborn515 what the MG offers is soul, character and personality..everything that Germany, Austria and the far east are sorely lacking... as for heated seats or grips...kinda gimmicky because if it's that cold...throw on your gloves, which will negate and heat from getting to your hands rendering the heated grips useless... same applies for a heated seat... my GSA has heated grips... essentially worthless... heated gloves work much better... if you can deal with 6 miles of wires !..
Berzerker - you don't know what you're talking about. Heated grips work very well with winter gloves AND Grip Puppies! Maybe a few min longer to heat up but they work great.
Here in Italy CF moto is not so popular. The 600cc model with 17” wheel is more popular though. It was 24th in sales last year. By comparison the Teneré was 3rd
My wife and i just a couple of minutes ago , saw a guy in his bike being rear ended by a car. He was thrown towards a telephone post and smashed his upper body . His helmet was on one side his left boot on the other, full of screaming pain. Blod coming out of his nose. We stayed close to him trying to give him as much confort as we could until the ambulance came. I´m 53 now ,and been on a bike for 34 years with small fails. But if you ask me today if i would buy a new bike, my answer is definitely a no no . They are beautiful (bikes),but what i saw today shocked me ...and changed my mind. You brave guys take care.
As far as reliability, a four year warranty goes a long way. The headquarters is set up outside Minneapolis, so CFMoto is apparently here to stay. Service may not be just down the block, but the company should help you find service. The Honda CB500x and Tiger 900 are manufactured in Thailand, and I see no reason not to trust in the prowess of the Chinese. Elon has faith in the Chinese. The bike does come with adjustable suspension, whatever that might mean for off-road performance.
You should have tested the new 800MT Explore, in Portugal it is the best CF Moto that you can buy at the moment, a lot of technology and with improvements in the driving maps. Good videos as always.
I think I'd consider buying one if all other options were sold out. It would be tough though if an Aprillia Toureg were available. I think that at the same price as a T7 and Toureg, The Ibex loses. If it were priced significantly less than the competition, I'd give it a look. It will definitely not replace my '17 Africa Twin though.
It is priced well below the comp. T7 and Touareg are not comparable. They are legit off road 21 in tire big travel bike. This is a sport-adventure tourer. It’s more comparable to the tiger 850 sport and 900 gt pro. Has way more features than the 850 sport and about the same as the gt pro. Gt pro is above 16500. So 6k less.
That’s the thing that kills it to me, MADE IN FREAKING CHINA!!! I like the looks of it, and I know what a lot of ppl will say, ALOT OF OTHER MANUFACTURERS GET THEIR PARTS FROM CHINA, yeah because the world keeps and consumers keep buying the crap!!! I’ live in the States, and I research everything I buy and try my hardest to support businesses here in USA, sometimes it’s impossible to find what I’m looking for, and I don’t care to pay $100 - $300 more for a product made here if I truly know it’s being made here. Americans and others need to quit supporting these Sites like Temu, and so many others. This is the main reason I would NEVER BUY A BRAND NEW CHINESE MADE MOTORCYCLE, ATV, SXS, I enjoyed your video though…
No, ANY new motorcycle can do that....I'm waiting for all the crying and bitching to start in about 3 years after everyday riding wears these pos Chinese bikes out to the point when they are sale-proof.
Your writing off Cfmoto like they did with Hyundai back in the day. You are going to look very foolish. Cfmoto is for real - motorcycles, atv and sxs - great offerings in all three categories
@@razorwired130 Dude, I'm writing off CF Moto because I know what kind of company they are from an insider perspective.....not from someone standing on the sidewalk looking thru the glass into a CF Moto dealership......I ran a dealership in South Texas that carried the CF Moto brand and if you saw all the shit we went thru with parts failures, shitty quality control, piss-poor engineering, substandard raw materials used in the production of things like frames, plastics, wiring connectors, ect, ect, you wouldn't think so highly of them and question my opinion. You and all the rest here obviously don't know....I do. On top of that, they had very, VERY poor parts inventories and it would sometimes take weeks or months to wait for parts coming from China on some slow boat. Then there was the never-ending battle of getting warranty repairs paid to us from the factory. So yeah, I have some very good reasons why I feel like I do about CF Moto....all of you out there are being nothing but CF Moto fanboys and have ZERO knowledge of what you're talking about.
I'd really like to see your review of the explore model mostly due to the tft and to test if the rear alarm system works or if it's a gimmick. Another one from them that I hope you get yourd hands on is the 800NK, craaazy bike
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Put in raim. Mode off road helps with slow speed surging etc
No. First, it is a Chinese company even though so many parts are made in China for all the mfg's, I think it's worth trying not to buy Chinese when possible and the fueling would be really annoying since I've experienced that before. A lot of good options though. Cruise control being the biggest convenience option that other bikes in this class missed!:(
Does Walmart carry them??
Looked at it at a local shop looks good loads of features but no it's not for me.
Super interested in the 650 ADVENTURA. Can you review one of those and compare to the less tech for more money KLR650? I can't be the only one wondering between those two bikes.
Have been owning this bike for almost a year (around 20.000 km currently), the review is pretty much on point, thanks for your work.
A couple of things I'd like to add:
1) Fueling issue.
You have to go to the dealership and force them to update fuel mapping, then the problem goes away. The update has been available for a year, so no idea why new bike doesn't have the latest mapping.
2) Crash Durability
I've used this bike quite a lot offroad riding different terrains (rocks, sand, gravel). And I've dropped the bike may times on all of them. Sometimes it has fallen on the hard rocks in the mountains and rolled away. No damage to the bike whatsoever (except for cosmetics like paint and crash bars, obviously)
3) Realiability
Considering how I treated this bike, I would say the conditions were at the worse 99% percentile of how people would use machine like this. The only problem i had was that protective layer of the dashboard started to peel off after half a year- the entire screen was replaced under warranty. Nothing else has gone wrong.
4) Offroad
It can be ridden offroad quite hard, although definitely there are better machines for that. But I have been riding with guys on Tenere, Africa twin, KTM 890, Tuareg for a year and haven't been in a single situation, when the bike didn't pull through. So this bike will limit you only if you progressed enough, train regularly and seek harder and harder challenges.
thanks!
You still have the bike, comment still holding true? I sat on S today and it was phenomenal how it felt natural to me and so comfortable, HD Pan Am felt cheaper at $10k higher price tag, and Kawasaki was close to it but felt better build quality.
There’s just something about 800, I’m thinking about pulling a trigger.
Nothing better like an honest comment from an actual owner. I thought the engine issue was just a mapping adjustment, BRM should have known that either.
I know this is subjective thing but I think this might be the best looking adventure bike out there. The styling is spot on. It’s actually a beautiful looking bike that’s not quirky or over the top. Those headlights just look good!
I’ve heard the design is by Kiska
Trust me, the Ibex is much better looking in person….better than anything from Europe or Japan…
Definitely subjective! I much prefer the looks of the new Honda Transalp......
I am quite surprised to see such opinion. I think the design is one of the big downsides of this bike, even though it looks better in person and better than KTM.
@@mikerichardson415 And I dislike the trans alp. :-)
I’ve owned the 800MT for over 12 months and I’ve got 22000km on it. I love it. No problems, nothing has broken or fallen off. The fueling was improved with an ECU update from CFMoto. There was a recall for 2022 models to replace the water pump impeller which has been carried out by the dealer. Like you said in your video ,it is an Adventure tourer and it does that very well. Best value for money out there.
Vario screen required
I have 2023 but during run , blowing hot air from radiator
I've tested it and I liked it. Then after 2 days I tested the V-Strom 800 DE and I understood why Chinese manufacturers still have a long way to go. And despite having less features and a slightly high price (at least here in Europe) at the end I purchased the Suzuki. Thank you for your great review.
Wish the Suzuki had tubeless wheels and better wind protection then it would be a no brainer in this category
@@IAmYourReflection You are absolutely right! 👍🏻
Suzuki dropped the ball on excluding electronic CC on the 800-IMO@@IAmYourReflection
Thing is, the Suzuki isn't in this category. Much like the Transalp it is more road focused.
The Suzy is a true 50/50 bike.
@@IRQ1Conflict Yes. You are right. But they are often compared on TH-cam reviews especially with the Transalp 😉 as they shared the 21" front wheel (not the IBEX of course) and the 800 cc engine.
Hi Ian, I purchased the 2023 Ibex800T , my main consideration was cost, I couldnt buy a decent used Adv Touring bike at the price of this new bike. Used bike prices are out of control like everything else is. My CFMOTO dealer is very close and reputable, and there was no price gouging with my purchase. The throttle issues you mentioned have been mitigated in a couple of ways, for me there was resetting the Throttle mapping (Turn the bike on with the throttle wide open, don't start it though, count to 60 , turn it off and start it normally), and also tightening the carb to airbox connectors (night and day differnce) and also received an OTA update through the CFMOTO Ride app that addressed an MTU error message (It updated cooling fan logic that was causing it)
I bought one a month and a half ago and already have about 1500 miles on it. It's a great commuter, does great on the highway with cruise control, and does great offroad with better tires. I put Kenda Big Blocks on mine and rode it for about 700 miles one weekend on a camping trip with about 200 miles of forest roads. I'm loving it so far! I traded up from a KTM 390 Adventure.
I am very happy with mine too.
I think they have for the price a very good starting platform with room to build on. Give them a couple of years with customer feedback and I think they will be able to compete well with the middle leaguers. Great review as always.
Yes, but by then they will be more expensive, I think now is the time to take the decision to give him confidence because it is a good offer.
I would not hesitate to buy one of these bikes. WHY. Legacy auto makers bikes/cars/vans have given me nothing but shit for the last 10 years.
I commented on the last video talking about this bike and I’m glad you posted the video. But I’ve had 22 motorcycles since 2018 and that’s persists over all brands and their newer models. I have to say that I’m blown away by my CFmoto 450ss. For the price it checks so many boxes. In the Facebook groups I’m in some people have over 25,000 miles on there’s and it’s been fine. I’m convinced that this brand is hitting the market hard and the Japanese need to be focused on CFmoto. My H2 which is kawasakis premium line doesn’t even come close to the features my 450 has. That’s a bike that’s 5,400$ beating my 20,000$ bike. Yeah the h2 is faster but that’s about all it has to offer. Personally I’m pumped that CFmoto is throwing a hand in the game because when there’s competition between brands the winner is the customer👍🏼
25000 on a bike isn't much really.
Just turned 4k miles on my 800T and I love it! I mostly commute to work (95 miles highway) on it and I’ve taken it camping a few times (a little gravel road action) I’m coming from a cbr600rr. I’m new to the ADV world and this is a perfect intro for me. And I think the bike is beautiful! Can’t wait to go on more adventures on it! Great review 🤙
I’m really considering going from my cbr954rr to the adv space and this bike is on my list. There’s others but I’m also using it to commute about 120miles per day, so cruise control is nice. Have you had any issues at all that stand out?
@@willwilder5269 well I’m at about 9k miles now and I still love it. I did have an issue where the tft display was delaminating on the edges and also my luggage rack was starting to rust and lose paint where my boxes were contacting the rack, but issues were taken care of under warranty. The warranty is 2 years / unlimited miles. Just hoping the same thing won’t happen with the new parts but I still have about 10 months of warranty left. I haven’t had issues with anything else. And yes, cruise control is amazing for the commute!
@@ryanm6869 awesome! This is good to know seeing I should be picking up mine tomorrow. I wonder if some clear coat on the new set could help prevent the rust from happening again? How’s the quick shifter been to you?
@@willwilder5269 well hopefully they fixed the paint issue. If it happens again and it’s out of warranty, I might just sand blast and powder coat it at that point. I guess you’ll be picking up a 2024 model? The quick shifter has been good. I rarely use it to upshift (I feel the clutch is smoother when not accelerating hard), but I use it every time I downshift and it’s delightful!
@@ryanm6869 no it’s actually a 2023 but fully loaded with all of cf’s accessories, and this is good to know makes me feel better about the purchase I’ll probably just send out the crash bars and bags to get powder coated ahead of time. Looking forward to how the bike holds up at 15,000 miles!
In Australia we have the Explore model. 6 riding modes abs off on either rear or both wheels, traction control and revised engine. 3 kw less power and much smoother throttle. Redline now at 8000 rpm. Apple carplay etc. Way better than the 800 Touring. Hopefully you get this model soon.
After reading your comment I did a bit of research and it appears we are getting the Explore model now (25' model) potentially. If that's the case, I'm planning on picking one up.
I bought this bike two weeks ago and I am extremely happy.
I really want this bike but I’m waiting for Explorer edition which has traction control and blind spot detection. The throttle mapping is being revised with software updates and continues to improve. There as also an overheating bug that has now been resolved, again with a software update. Which I believe will be the main issue owners will experience. The hardware is known and should not be a concern but the software is a little unrefined but is improving which would give me confidence. The only other thing I would do is look over the bike very carefully just to make sure everything is tightened correctly and don’t be concerned if there is some coolant that leaks out (people have remarked that it had been over filled).
We all know the throttle control could adjusted through a piggyback system. But, for the first time out of the chute this bike offers an alternative to the current crop of overpriced adventure bikes. Great early review, thanks!!
Many new bikes now have locked ECUs and a piggyback tuner will not work.
Great point!
You can update the ecu using a smart phone there is an update for the fueling.
@@IAmYourReflectionI'd like to read more about this, would you have a link to that?
I purchased one and I really enjoy it. It's my first adventure style bike and your right there are pros and cons. I like the seat height and all the features. I'm more commuter and tourer vs off roader but if I see a dirt road no problem. I just put it on rain mode. Thanks for video
Good to hear!
Exactly the same comments from my side; I’ve put 5,000 miles on it and I love the comfort and features; as I only do light off-road it works just fine for me…it’s all a matter of what you need from a motorbike. I added a wind deflector and it’s great for road riding
Same here too!!
Thanks Ian
There is an OEM software ECU fix for that first gear jerkiness.
It’s kind of a recall that was probably not done yet on the US bikes.
Our friends from down under were the first to point it out to CF Moto and they fixed it with a software upgrade.
It looks like a fantastic bike for what you pay 🍻🍻
That is correct. Here in Australia we have fixed that ecu problem and it’s like a completely different bike. Pickup has improved through all gears. CFMOTO heard about it and kept in contact with the Gus doing it and liked what they did. I believe KTM are also looking at the new ecu as well.
Thanks for doing the drop/lift test, it's an important thing to know that most other reviewers seem to hesitate to do.
I sat on the Ibex T at a dealer last weekend. It looks appealing. I saw a you tube from Australia that said they have a computer fix for the herky jerky throttle. It appears top heavy with a full fuel tank. I think it would be good on the highway. I wouldn’t take it off road. I like the leg room on the Ibex for comfort. My concern is with our trade relationship with China, I worry about getting parts. Otherwise it seems like a deal to me. I have ridden an Electraglide for 23 years and a Goldwing for about that long before. So I like a bike that my wife and I can tour on. Great review as usual Ian. Thanks.😎
What’s cool about this bike is you can do updates using your phone. I thought I heard there was a fueling update available???
And there is an updated model out(maybe not in the us) that has traction control ect
The things that make this bike stand out from the Japanese competition are it’s tubeless spoked wheels(which all adv bikes should have) and the nice looking headlight/fairing/front end, which the Suzuki and Honda are both lacking
Hi Ian, thank you for reviewing this CFmoto. I just recently became aware of this brand and bought a 450ss which has been great. But, my interest in adventure bikes is growing, and I would love to see more of the middleweight bikes at this price point. I would definitely consider this bike, but I think they will get better for offroad versatility in a couple years.
Bear Butte in the background! The first year of Get On! I stayed in the first cabin right behind you on the corner, awesome view of the butte!
Seriously considering this bike for my larger ADV, but I wasn’t able to check it out during the fest this year.
For that kind of money, I’d be cross shopping a used, fully kitted pre 2020 Africa Twin
I don't see myself going down the CFMOTO road for some time. There are things I like about their bikes... and things I don't; Ian always does a very nice job covering that stuff in his pieces. Price is appealing. But, I spend long hours in the saddle and sometimes wander long distances in random routes; so, dealer network and known reliability is a big deal and I typically keep to Honda and Yamaha for that type of riding. Ergos are very important to me, too. I hope CFMOTO continues to grow and improve and I'll keep an eye on them for now. (I noticed we didn't get the long shot ergo set up/leg position usually in these reviews... no camera stand, perhaps)
Any KTM place can work on these, it's a 790 adventure frame and engine
This bike is a big seller here in Greece (it's called cfmoto 800mt here). It has really low price and is full of tech. The spec sheet looks great but in reality the bike has a big issue. The fueling is terrible. I suppose the problem has to do with emmisions. You are basically forced to change the fuel mapping and lose warranty.
After the change the bike is actually ok. Decent tourer, mediocre on road and pretty bad off road. It would be worth the price tag if it ever sorted out the fuelling.
P.s. Could you do a review of the new voge dsx 525, a bike which after riding it, i consider it to be the best bargain of the motorcycle world right now?
The fuelling issue has been sorted with a free download from CFM (no tampering or lost warranty) and the remaining issue in this video is just constant throttle at 3k rpm or 20km/h in first gear. The vast majority of riders will never experience that.
Ian, I normally love your reviews - but this one is clearly biased and surprises me. The Tenere 700 is sprung for a 75kg rider, and MUST have work done to make it useful.
Yet you smash the CF Moto bike for its basic suspension setup.???
No doubt there is a fix for the fuel issue in first gear - yet you seem to assume that your stuck with it?
Rather than just pump out a negative review - if there are obvious bike issues (fuel surging etc) then hand the bike back and review it when the supplier is happy it's been set up correctly.
Your first ever disappointing review. (and no, I don't own one)
I DO NOT have an open mind about anything Chinese, except and unfortunately, my iPhone.
I’ll be blunt, I wouldn’t buy the bike as it a Chinese company. I know many components from every bike are from China however I try to avoid as much as possible. I’d rather buy a used KTM, BMW, Honda, Suzuki etc. I think buying a Chinese bike today is like buying a German bike in 1938.
Thanks for testing this bike. Would like to see 450mt review too. I heard they fixed fueling with software download
Thank you for this traditionally exceptional review. Speaking as a young-minded geezer, this bike appears to be the perfect value-laden bike to transition to from a much heavier cruiser that I currently ride. And cruise control is not a feature that comes with many bikes at that price point. My wrists will thank me, to be sure. Thanks again.
Well said!
That’s a good looking motorcycle but I wouldn’t trust it with a KTM engine and Chinese everything else. Maybe in 10 years they will be reliable.
If KTM/Husqvarna didn't exist with their big lead on traction control features and the low-slung tank design, I would seriously consider this over other Japanese or Euro offerings. I may still choose the Tuareg 660 over this but that would come solely from the Tuareg being (arguably) the best in class for small-midsize ADVs (ie, not 900s), which I was really looking for as a newer rider who was new to dirt.
The Husky 901 sold me because of the software and tank design, making it a much less intimidating bike despite the fact that it has ridiculous power (the high-power was somewhat appealing as it would help keep me interested longer term and be more comfortable on long highway trips through the mountains). I guess KTM has the low tank idea patented because I don't know why more manufacturers aren't going that direction for these already tall, top heavy bikes.
I look at the ibex and KTM. Decided on the 901 also. Got a good deal so I had to pull the trigger. Not really much more I could want from a bike
I imagine the KTM reliability issues have not been an issue? Just curious. Thanks
Well, what do you think of the flagship model from Chinese maker CFMOTO? Is there enough here for the money to sway you from a more traditional, established brand? Sound off below. Thanks.
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Great review. I think for the budget price there's some dollar room for some fixes to make the bike whatever you want. Yeah, it's Chinese but so are BMW's, other KTM's and other manufacturers medium range bikes. Well done Sir with no scathing comments from me or my Mannequin.
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I currently own a KTM 390 ADV but was on the lookout to replace my Yamaha FZS1000 for two up touring. Came across one of these in my local KTM dealer (KTM are the distributor here in the UK) I didn’t know anything about cf Moto but recognised the motor. I was shocked at what great value for money this bike is. cf Moto are including the aluminium luggage in with the price as a promotion. I’ve owned this bike for 1 week now and so far I’m super impressed. I agree with all of your comments. Hopefully the low speed fuelling issue will be dealt with by software updates at some point. I’m also looking to replace the screen probably with a puig screen with adjustable wind deflector. I’ve also got an issue with the mirrors moving in the wind, the dealer has said they will replace at 1st (600 mile) service but I feel that I may need to look at alternatives such as double take mirrors. Really enjoyed your review of this bike 👍🏻
At the time I was purchasing a bike, this bike was not in shops in my area. After all was said and done, I ended up purchasing a 2023 KTM 890 adventure. Purchasing the KTM was reminiscent of purchasing my BMW R1200 GS….getting nickeled and dimed for every feature I wanted. Even though more expensive, I believe I would still choose the KTM over the IBEX 800T.
I bought one in the spring to replace my 2014 second gen V-Strom 1000. Your review is accurate as always. My dealer is working with a third party on the mapping to help the surge you find at that 3000 rpm. You are correct it is pretty bad. Other than that the bike has been fantastic. almost 4000 kms and no issues. much more comfortable and composed compared to the V-Strom. The bikes are $14800 out the door in Cnd dollars.=$10874 usd $13800+ freight+PDI etc. However the Touring comes with all the luggage here which is very high quality. We have a 5 year warranty in Canada. So far pretty happy with my purchase.
Awesome
5 year warranty? Wowza
Resale, a very slippery slope on these odd brands..
In Europe we now get an updated 800MT Explore Edition wich has the surging issue completely resolved, has TC, 6 ride modes, lane assist, rear crash radar, MMI 8 inch screen with Apple CarPlay, better suspension. You should try that when it comes to the US. I'd say it is the best bang for buck adv motorcycle currently on the market anywhere in the world.
sounds awesome
I rode a few different of the 800 Ts at a ride event. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just one bike over the other. I had the same conclusion. The fueling is off. I mentioned it to the ride organizers for CF Moto and they tried to play it down. But I definitely noticed it. I have viewed several other videos saying the same thing about fueling. I hope they get it fixed. Additionally, I would want a taller windshield and wider too. I was very tempted, but just couldn't pull the trigger.
I was hoping for a better review off road. Other reviewers have only tested the pavement, which like you said, a good touring bike.
Sat on both the Ibex and the 800DE. Really liked the feel of the Ibex and it’s $1000 cheaper. As you said on the Suzuki 800DE review,if it only had cruise control.
So it looks like this review is going to cost me an extra thousand, but at least I’ll know what I’m getting.
Keep looking. There's a video of an Aussie flogging this bike in the bush.
sorry not buying anything from china if i have another choice , ever
Good fair review, seems the engine is great apart form the fueling, the rest of the bike not too bad! Cheap as chips if we're honest. Not sure if I'd be brave enough to buy one!
Finally an honest, unsponsored review. Thanks!
No problem!
@BigRockMoto. Here in Greece CF Moto is selling a lot of these bikes (800 MT is named) with dealers in every major city and with its price (9900Euros~10700USD) is a fair bike (but with unknown reliability). In order to compare KTM 790 costs (11750Euros~12700USD). If Chinese brands want they should provide reliable bikes and i suppose they will.....
I wouldn't purchase that bike as it doesn't suit my needs. The T7 or 890R suit me better.
This is a 70% road bike so fair enough
Reliability? I had 9 months of torture in the deep, dark depths of Hells Ninth Circle; Harley Davidson Pan America Ownership, the forums are still full of problem bikes. I bet the CFMOTO will be just fine compared to HD.
you might be right
I've owned the Adventura 650 for a year now and have put 15,000 highway miles on it. I've been pleased so far. I'll probably upgrade to the IBEX next year. I think you get a lot of bike for the money with a CF Moto. I'd love to have a Versys 1000, but I'd much rather keep the extra 10K in my pocket.
Chinese manufactures are giving these away for a reason. Many reasons.
It's because it's the outgoing KTM 790 adventure so the costs for development and tooling are already paid for. But by all means, make crap up
The are trying to get your business by providing a great bundle you get for the money. That is hard to ignore as you would probably spend a extra 4-5000 an a Transalp for example to get the same spec and you still don't have CC.
However, sometimes its just small issues that proved to be deal breakers no matter how good the value is. The surge issue has been around a quite some time I heard and I can believe that they still haven't resolved that.
I took one for a spin and it had serious vibration issues at around 3000 rpm in every gear. It was really noticeable and very annoying. Could you live with it, yes but I had to ask myself why should I have to ? At the end I decided that this would piss me off every single time I would go through the 3000rpm spot and I was not willing to put up with that. Ended up buying a Honda where everything just works properly.
(PS: My riding buddy has just bought one and tells me that they fixed that issue I had. He fell for the package 😁)
I’ve dealt with a lot of Chinese made aftermarket parts for cars and not been impressed. It’s basically a finicky European motor in a finicky Chinese motorcycle. If I wanted finicky I’d buy a Tuareg ‘cause at least it’s sexy. At the end of the day I wanted reliable so I bought a Tenere.
these can go longer also more comf tenere has no range or comfort
I watch your content ( top of the charts ) virtually for free, so you asked a direct question, impolite not to answer. I would consider & maybe purchase this bike, though I don't know where. Might regret it, used to Japanese reliability & availability. Feature laden for sure, good looking, but my V-Strom is still hitting the right mark.
This bike is very good looking and well equipped within this price bracket however they need to work on its ride quality for sure. I still think they need to lower the price to get more buyers on board as it is to near to better mainstream bikes. Would be interesting to know the price of one in China no doubt a lot less than we’re paying? Thanks for the review much appreciated 👍
Question for everyone.
I have a Honda NC750X brand new, 2023 DCT. It's high on refinement, low in features. I am interested in touring (and don't need more power). Would you recomend to accesorize the NC or swap for a MT ? I did a test drive with the NC, exacly my thoughts. Low refinement, lots of small issues.
First one! Been waiting for this review.
are the bag supports, for just the factory equipment (hard Bags) and do they offer larger bags for the bike?
So far out all the reviews on yhis bike you are the only one I can think of has mentioned the Jerky throttle at low speed.. great video Ian love you reviews.. you are brutally honest
Glad to help!
Yes I would, for the features it provides
I just bought the 2023 cf Moto ibex 800 s For $9,400. I have about 1700 miles on it so far. it does have some issues with the engine noise at idle it is a little loud for me also the fueling is twitchy at low speeds and my other grIpe is the engine heat from the engine On hot days it hits you on your knees and shins. I have had an issue with the MCU or ECU failure light coming on a couple of times but turns off when riding in hot conditions stop and go traffic this keeps you from scrolling back and forth through your TFT screen menu. I've heard this can be fixed with a software upgrade from CF Moto Also I heard it is caused by the radiator fan not functioning correctly. So far I like the ibex 800 s I haven't taken off road yet other than a short gravel road it's pretty smooth and I have the stock maxis street tires on it. So far I'm pretty happy with my purchase I'm looking forward to the aftermarket accessories and parts to come out. There are some Chinese aftermarket parts out there but not a lot other than CF Moto which are not cheap. No sure what the long term reliability will be? I've seen people on youtube with 5000 miles with no problems other than MCU failure and the surging at slow speeds. I think if you are on a Budget and your in the market for a middle weight adv motorcycle this is a good bike. Is it a BMW , triumph tiger or a Africa twin? No! I just moved up from a klr 650 definitely a step up especially the 95hp and the options you get. Hopefully I'll get many more smile miles from the CF Moto 800 ibex. Great video review on the Cf Moto ibex 800t there are pros and cons with this motorcycle. All I can say is go test ride one and see for yourself if you like it.
Jason, may I ask where you got yours? if I could find a deal like yours I'd buy too!
I bought mine in Joplin, Missouri at pitbull power sports.
@@jasonpannett1325still satisfied?
I looked at these, felt like it was top heavy and tippy, fit and finish was ok, not great not bad just ok. Personally I was a bit worried about parts availability down the road, for several reasons. Being a new offering and first step in the market I feel like there will be changes coming soon that will limit parts support in the future, short model run usually means short parts runs. Low speed off into some brush, may not be able to get parts kind of stuff. Also other reasons to not be able to get parts from China are possible. I also considered if I want to change some of the accessories will there be aftermarket support? I think for those who just want a turn key one and done out the door bike it is a lot of bike for the money, for those who like to tinker and keep bikes for years it may not be the best. I do own a CF Moto 800XC four wheeler and have been perfectly happy with it so far.
I just got done looking at these bikes in Southern California. What a great video, in fact I was waiting for you to do one of these, and here you are testing the bike. For the price point this bike comes with all the bells and whistles one could wish for. I’m personally on the fence about buying this bike because of all the issues you brought up. I think I’ll wait another two years or so to see if they stick around and fix some of the issues that you mentioned. PS if the Chinese can build a bike with all these bells and whistles, why can’t Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda put on just a simple cruise control on their middleweight bikes?? Again thank you for the very informative video.
I mean, for a couple thousand more than a KLR 650 and a thousand less than a Tenere 700 (real pricing) seems like a good purchase for long distance touring, especially if you're like me and been riding a Gen 1 KLR for years and years as a pseudo ADV Tourer.
Ian, you really got the point about this motorcycle. It is a great highway motorcycle and after having it for around 3 months I would buy another one if the fuelling is fixed for sure. @cfmoto, please fix the fuelling asap and let everyone know.
I bought one. Has about 4700 miles on it now. So far I love the bike. My only gripe is the same as yours and CFMoto needs to fix that low RPM fueling problem. It does it for me in any gear between 2500 and 3000 rpms
I am happy with my mt800 but I rang the dealer and asked if they have had any feedback about fueling issues and they said No. Makes me wonder now that I know it is not just me.
Did you try the mapping reset mentioned above in a previous comment? (Turn the key don’t start, full throttle for 60 seconds, then start).
I’d love to see this bike in five years time with 50,000 miles on the clock.
Only it won’t do 50,000 miles. It’ll be in a supermarket somewhere wrapped round some baked beans.
Many people here in Balkan have already more than 100000 km on the clock
u cant do 50k
rat psy
Great review, however at this price you could get a competitor pre-owned for the same amount, or close to that number. True, all of the features here would not be there, but I would lean towards a more recognized manufacturer. Maybe CFMoto will up their game some and bring a little more competition soon, but CFMoto is not a disaster by any means.
if you download app and make update it will sort out the fueling.
Chinese motorcycles look the part. Corrosion, engine life, bearing life, these will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, the Japanese brands have the edge on reliability by a wide margin. After owning American, Russian, German, Austrian, and Japanese motorcycles over the years, I'm sticking with the Japanese. They may not be the sexiest but by golly they won't leave you stranded or cost you a paycheck every few months for maintenance.
Unless you blow a TFT on something like an Africa Twin. Mechanical, yes. Electronic, everyone is risky
Reason I'm A fan of Tenere and the crfs
Not big fan of electronics do alot of solo riding on national forest land reliability is my main issue
Mapping Issue: perhaps you’re lugging the engine. User error? Try shifting above 4,500 on the tach. Lugging disappears. I’ve got 12K+ on mine and don’t have any issues.
Nice Bike. Straight up,to be honest. I've i got the amount of euros in my pocket, then I go for the Norden 901.
That bike here in Colombia costs $18,800 dollars, it sure is better to buy an X desert that costs about $19k here.... prices are ridiculous here
Keep going back to dealer to look at it - I want to like it but the suspension is the most horrible I could find on any adv bike there. I could barely get it to budge and it looked like forks and shock were at their "lightest " setting. Putting slight pressure on the seats of most other bikes made them move easily- plush! Can't imagine what the ibex would ride like.
I would buy a Transalp instead. Same price, lighter, better looking, and it's a Honda. I would miss the cruise control and the tubeless wheels, though.
. I tested this bike and truthfully the throttle was so bad I couldn’t pull the trigger on it. Got a 800DE adventure.
23/24 model has more updates, more ride modes, traction control, also fixed the fuelling issue
I'd buy one. Based on what I've heard from many owners and testers, it's a great bike. Plus, with all you get for the price, you can't beat it. Cruise control, heated seat and grips, engine protection, center stand, etc. If I were in the market for a new bike, this would be high on the list.
I would not purchase one because i just got a vstrom 800 de...
do you think , as now the new ktm 790 is now made in china … maybe ktm engines have been chinese made for a long time without telling us , could that be why ktm has reliability problems on the current 790 & 890
My opinion on cfmoto in general is that if they're going to offer cheap Chinese made bikes, then they need to be actuality inexpensive. Otherwise, if they want to compete evenly with the rest of the market, then they need to make them better.
Your flaw is labeling them "cheap Chinese" when the goal is parity with all other brands. As others have commented that own the 450ss and other models, many of their models are already as good or better than the competition. And their prices are still cheaper with that matching or better quality. I've seen the 300NK and 700 CL-X i person, and they have just as good fit and finish as anyone with their own style. Sure beats HD selling bikes for top $ but having little to no horsepower and outdated tech....
@@ws8080 We have evidence to the contrary in this very video that they aren't up to par with their intended competitors. Inadequate rear suspension and poor fueling off the top of my head. I'm afraid you've failed to sway me.
Having an Ibex for an extended 2 week demo then comparing it to the Suzuki 800 after a 1 week demo… the Ibex is a far better value for the money especially considering the included features, crash bars, cruise control, heated seat/grips, quick shifter, tubeless wheels .. etc compared to the Suzuki…in Suzuki’ s ‘win” category is a slightly better build quality, engine note and dealer network… but comparably priced to the Ibex, you’d have to throw $3k if not more at the Suzuki to have similar features… both windscreens suck. neither bike comes with hard cases so that another $1500+.. Fueling issue with the Ibex I demo’d was a non issue because it had been remapped…
A central Florida CFMoto dealership quoted and OTD prices of $13,500, without the factory hard cases… that’s another $1500..
So which bike would I buy apples to apples?…. for an additional $500 over the price of the Ibex(with 3 hard cases) …I went with the 2023 MotoGuzzi V85TT Adventure….and the MotoGuzzi dealer threw in a factory taller windscreen and center stand….
I was thinking this would make a decent tourer with some soft-roading on the side, but for that I'd rather have a Guzzi. Hope you're liking yours. Although the CF's heated seat is tempting...
@@russellborn515
what the MG offers is soul, character and personality..everything that Germany, Austria and the far east are sorely lacking... as for heated seats or grips...kinda gimmicky because if it's that cold...throw on your gloves, which will negate and heat from getting to your hands rendering the heated grips useless... same applies for a heated seat... my GSA has heated grips... essentially worthless... heated gloves work much better... if you can deal with 6 miles of wires !..
I too am considering the V85TT Travel or Guardo D'oNore but I too am
worried about MG reliability.
Berzerker - you don't know what you're talking about. Heated grips work very well with winter gloves AND Grip Puppies! Maybe a few min longer to heat up but they work great.
Here in Italy CF moto is not so popular. The 600cc model with 17” wheel is more popular though. It was 24th in sales last year. By comparison the Teneré was 3rd
My wife and i just a couple of minutes ago , saw a guy in his bike being rear ended by a car. He was thrown towards a telephone post and smashed his upper body . His helmet was on one side his left boot on the other, full of screaming pain. Blod coming out of his nose. We stayed close to him trying to give him as much confort as we could until the ambulance came. I´m 53 now ,and been on a bike for 34 years with small fails. But if you ask me today if i would buy a new bike, my answer is definitely a no no . They are beautiful (bikes),but what i saw today shocked me ...and changed my mind. You brave guys take care.
lok behind n keep distanc go to side
As far as reliability, a four year warranty goes a long way. The headquarters is set up outside Minneapolis, so CFMoto is apparently here to stay. Service may not be just down the block, but the company should help you find service. The Honda CB500x and Tiger 900 are manufactured in Thailand, and I see no reason not to trust in the prowess of the Chinese. Elon has faith in the Chinese. The bike does come with adjustable suspension, whatever that might mean for off-road performance.
Those crash bars look like a cheap cosmetic item.
They're crap but this is really a road bike
You should have tested the new 800MT Explore, in Portugal it is the best CF Moto that you can buy at the moment, a lot of technology and with improvements in the driving maps. Good videos as always.
The adventure is not available in the US
they amkin soon
Great bike ❤
You have some of the best reviews, thank you. You REALLY need to do and independent on. HD Pan Am. Please.
I think I'd consider buying one if all other options were sold out. It would be tough though if an Aprillia
Toureg were available. I think that at the same price as a T7 and Toureg, The Ibex loses. If it were priced significantly less than the competition, I'd give it a look. It will definitely not replace my '17 Africa Twin though.
It is priced well below the comp. T7 and Touareg are not comparable. They are legit off road 21 in tire big travel bike. This is a sport-adventure tourer. It’s more comparable to the tiger 850 sport and 900 gt pro. Has way more features than the 850 sport and about the same as the gt pro. Gt pro is above 16500. So 6k less.
Also, there are many more cfmoto dealers across the USA compared to Aprilia.
@@DubuqueDude good point
@@Adventure_blacbet its Chines quality is 6000$ less
That’s the thing that kills it to me, MADE IN FREAKING CHINA!!! I like the looks of it, and I know what a lot of ppl will say, ALOT OF OTHER MANUFACTURERS GET THEIR PARTS FROM CHINA, yeah because the world keeps and consumers keep buying the crap!!! I’ live in the States, and I research everything I buy and try my hardest to support businesses here in USA, sometimes it’s impossible to find what I’m looking for, and I don’t care to pay $100 - $300 more for a product made here if I truly know it’s being made here. Americans and others need to quit supporting these Sites like Temu, and so many others. This is the main reason I would NEVER BUY A BRAND NEW CHINESE MADE MOTORCYCLE, ATV, SXS, I enjoyed your video though…
looks like an adventure tour cruiser? The pull back on those bars is crazy...
Somebody needs to take one of these on a 15K mile jaunt to Alaska. Do the Dalton, Dempster - the full monty and then report back.
No, ANY new motorcycle can do that....I'm waiting for all the crying and bitching to start in about 3 years after everyday riding wears these pos Chinese bikes out to the point when they are sale-proof.
Your writing off Cfmoto like they did with Hyundai back in the day. You are going to look very foolish. Cfmoto is for real - motorcycles, atv and sxs - great offerings in all three categories
@@razorwired130 Dude, I'm writing off CF Moto because I know what kind of company they are from an insider perspective.....not from someone standing on the sidewalk looking thru the glass into a CF Moto dealership......I ran a dealership in South Texas that carried the CF Moto brand and if you saw all the shit we went thru with parts failures, shitty quality control, piss-poor engineering, substandard raw materials used in the production of things like frames, plastics, wiring connectors, ect, ect, you wouldn't think so highly of them and question my opinion. You and all the rest here obviously don't know....I do. On top of that, they had very, VERY poor parts inventories and it would sometimes take weeks or months to wait for parts coming from China on some slow boat. Then there was the never-ending battle of getting warranty repairs paid to us from the factory. So yeah, I have some very good reasons why I feel like I do about CF Moto....all of you out there are being nothing but CF Moto fanboys and have ZERO knowledge of what you're talking about.
The gap in 4000 RPM is the price to pass the EURO5 emission regulations..
Flat screens, menus, connectivity, rider modes, ESC, quick shifters, ABS, cruise control, radar. All very nice, but where's the air con and the roof?
Radar??
@@akorkmaz074 yep, adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring systems use radar.
@@kalaharimine except adaptive cruise control you are right.
That bike just kicked Honda and Kawasakis butt.
I was looking at buying this but with the announcement of the new Tracer GT+ coming to the States, I'm moving in that direction more.
"chassis" is the metal frame which is identical to the KTM/Husqvarna norden frame, J Juan brakes are owned by Brembo/ktm.
I'd really like to see your review of the explore model mostly due to the tft and to test if the rear alarm system works or if it's a gimmick. Another one from them that I hope you get yourd hands on is the 800NK, craaazy bike
If it's made in China would you buy it
throttle mapping th-cam.com/video/zSCt9Xx_aEg/w-d-xo.html
Tnx Ian, great review as Always. 3 time no-go on my watch: surging issue, Cruise control issue, quickschifter issue.😭