Whether due to planning or the ability to capitalize on fortunate situations, Palpatine was able to severally damage Anakin's trust in all around him during the course of the Clone War. Obi-Wan faking his death, Padme having to reignite a relationship then rapidly getting in over her head twice, the Jedi Council discarding Ahsoka, Ahsoka leaving him and the order behind, its little wonder Palpatine was one of the few pillars left to him. Tragically I think Palpatine understood something Padme and Obi-Wan failed to, Anakin was extremely guarded and struggled greatly trusting people especially if there was ever any past doubts. Im sure they had hoped to mend things once the war was over but it was far too late and with his trust already damaged all it took was the slightest mistake to shatter it completely.
I figured Palp was messing with his head. Anakin missed a father figure growing up, was angry because of what happened to his mother, and was susceptible to Palp's influence
Not really. Palpatine knew Padme very well - they were from same planet and same social circles. I believe he selected her as a perfect tool. Young, ambitious, no real life experience yet convinced she was right. Sort of like Greta Thunberg in our world. Perfect tool to turn Anakin to dark side, and then be discarded.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Perhaps, but it was still their cannon, firing at their enemies 😁 On a serious note, Palpatine was expert manipulator. He worked with various people, all with different motives and goals. Yet, he somehow managed to bend them to his will and his goal. Padme was no exception, in fact she was perhaps his best and most important tool, more important than even Dooku.
As someone who has had outbursts of violent rage, I think the writers of Anakin's character are short on one thing. Not enough about the fire that builds inside before exploding and typically with more nonsense, as Anakin is definitely insane when he chokes padme, he doesn't sound insane, he sounds angry. Though they are similar I think violent rage is different than anger.
Don’t forget the first thing Vader says when he emerges in his suit is where Padme was and if she were safe. He was not so far gone that he ever stopped loving her or despised what she had attempted to do. His rage did indeed overcome him to choke out the only person left that he truly loved, but he never wanted her dead. It’s like a parent that strikes their child out of anger and immediately regrets it (some more than others) because love always overcomes hate. Then again, Palp’s used this to siphon her life in order to keep Vader alive, thus he wasn’t wrong when he said “in your anger, it seems you killed her.” All that time he tried avoiding the very thing he brought upon himself…
I have always hated the “died of a broken heart” I feel like it would have been so much more tragic if he’d force choked and threw her which caused her to go into labor. So during the fight she’s giving birth on the floor of the ship alone and dies from complications from that. Imagine the fight between obi-wan and Vader with cuts of Padme giving birth to Luke and Leia. I also wish Padme had been a driving force of the opposition against Palpatine. I like the idea of Padme essentially laying the groundwork of what would become the rebellion.
Padme didn't die of a broken heart. It was Palpatine, who transferred her force-essence into dying Anakin, thus, saving Anakin and killing Padme. A genius move, isn't it? Her force essence isn't much, but it was enough to give Vader enough strength to not die from his injuries.
@@bizmasterTheSlav Is that from the book or expanded universe? I wish they would have shown that because normal audience members were told she died of a broken heart.
The irony of Palpatine killing four Masters was that there would've been vacancies for Anakin to progress to Master rank, as well as join the council. This would've allowed him to study if the Jedi had a method of saving Padme's life. The alternative was to find someone skilled in force healing and have them ready to save Padme's life. Anakin face on finding out that the Jedi didn't have a method of saving Padme's life, hidden in the vaults; that he'd lost Padme by his own hand in an act of irrationality.
He could. 🤷♂️ Windu was the first Jedi to effectively “master” shatter point (also, creating Vaapad), whilest also maintaining allegiance to the Light. Palpatine definitely knew of the ability and used it regularly with Anakin.
@Justin B which makes what happened to him even more tragic at the end of the clone war he lost his mind and him finding out a sith lord took everything he loved dear from him and didn't even know it until Anakin someone he never trusted in the 1st place told him that that pushed him over the edge and when you lose focus in the game for one second you lose your connection to the force and your abilities with it that's why he didn't see getting his hand chopped off but Sidious did know that which is why he played a frail old man who no longer had any fight left in him
Actually, for Palpatine Padme was perfect tool, useful idiot of the first class. She helped him to become Chancellor, she led dumb opposition against him (preventing someone more capable) and finally she delivered Anakin to him .
@@aleksazunjic9672 perfect idiot indeed she didn't even see that he turned Anakin against her when she was apart of that 2000 senate decree that Palpatine step down after the war is over didn't tell Anakin about it because of his relationship with Palpatine however she betrayed her vows to him when she did that and didn't think for one second that that wasn't going to be used against her she was way to naive
I dont think padme died of a broken heart necessarily. I helieve she died because Anakin in a way did actually kill her by reaching out through the force to padme who became for sensitive. Since she had two growing children that were force sensitive and there was not only an exchange between blood being in the womb, but the midichlorine counts of both children combined. I believe she formed a type of force based neural link with Anakin. Exchanging emotions, and even to a degree physical pain. She felt and understood anakin's pain on a very deep level at that point. Feeling what he kept bottled up for so many years in the order as well as him on the brink of death on the operating table. I believe once she felt the pain of child birth as well as somewhat of what Anakin felt is what killed her. She or Anakin may have done this accidentally, or she might have used this to save Anakin's life by taking a slither of the burden his physical or psychological pain had on him. I believe when Padme says that their is still good or hope in Anakin before she dies also has a deeper meaning. As she was able to see his dreams and premonitions through this point and was able to see further ahead to Anakin's redemption. By inadvertently using the midichlorines of the Two Children but mostly Leia. Which is why Leia does not quite have the same force potential as luke. Since it cut her off from the force from birth only leading her to manifest her abilities decades after Luke.
Leia had more potential than Luke. As well I think she died because her children's power was too much and this lead her to die from child birth. It was too much for her to handle.
@@r3n736 Anakin at 19: Successful, powerful General leading armies Padmé at 19: Senator who was Queen of her own planet once, versed in politics AND combat Leia at 19: Diplomatic Envoy, Works with the Senate, smuggles plans, aids the rebellion Luke at 19: Still playing with toy snubfighters in his bedroom
I thought she died because palpatine killed her through the force, by draining the life force out of her as she was giving birth, and transferred it into Anakin to keep him alive while he was being rebuilt
To be fair, besides maybe Padme, everyone who got got by Vader really did have it coming(children excluded :-p .... speaking more about groups than individuals)
That never made sense to me because if she believes there is still good in him that means she believes there is still hope so why would she die of a broken heart if the hope is still there?
@@richardgeneral7415 yea they rushed that and his turn also but all Lucas had to do is let her die because of childbirth and not a broken heart and that would have worked.
I subscribe to the theory that Palpatine killed Padme through the Force. He used Sith magic on the necklace Anakin had given her in TPM, and then used it to drain the Force from Padme as she was weakened from her attack and labor, and channeled that Force energy into Vader so that he would survive his transformative surgeries. This explanation lines up perfectly with the scene in ROTS at Padme's funeral where the camera focuses in on that necklace in her dead hands.
@@deerpic they focused on the necklace to show that she loved Anakin and that her love of him is the reason she is dead,I see why you might like that idea but their is nothing in cannon that backs that up at all(at least to my knowledge).
There is something inherent in sentient nature and power. Power tends to pull on the strings of our fear. This is why it is a popular, if not factual, notion that it corrupts. The deeper one craves power and feels they've gained it the more friends and loved ones can be painted as villains who want to take that power either out of jealousy or fear themselves.
**In ways.... But, love is also what redeemed him, and what ultimately overcame the darkest evil, unless to consider disney garbage cannon(I used to love disney too :( )
This would be a great “what if,” but I think it would have devolved regardless of whether Obi-Wan showed up or not. Imo, by then, Vader was too far gone.
I think it would still end up with him choking her, but he would then say "what have I done" and bring her to coruscant for medical attention, where Sidious would still transfer her force essence to Anakin or to himself (in case Anakin will not be injured) and she will still die. So I guess It wouldn't change much.
Nah it's not about cheating, Anakin thought Padme betrayed him and brought Obi-Wan to kill him. Remember, Anakin and Padme had dramatically different political views and Anakin had all the reasons not to trust Padme so much anymore
Very tragic. I agree. Such brilliant manipulations by Palpatine. Every move,every thought extremely calculated. And in right time. Nice explanation of events. May the Force be with you too :) See you soon :)
With each piece of information that I get from your videos, I begin to truly understand how unbelievably genius and evil Sidious was. His Sith name suited him perfectly.
It true that in real live people die from a brokem heart but it take time weaks must of them are old personne who have live years togethers. for Padme the medical droid don't understand why she dying so the droid talk about some broken heart because it is the closet thing that a droid can think about why she dying. In reality Palpatine is using force drain on her to save Anakin from death using there force bound to connect with her. So when Palpatine say that vader has kill her it true from a certain point of view if he didn't lose the fight he will not have need to drain her to save him.
if its cannon or not, I always kinds thought anakins visions were partially pre-cognitive, but also it would be fine and fit if Palps had something to do with him have fear based nightmares and visions.... Using peoples fears is both what the dark side, and Palpatine especially specialized and excelled in
@@smokeyhoodoo The doctor said she was perfectly healthy if you watch it closely. She died of a broken heart. I used to think that was what happened too
Sidious is way worse. Hes so treacherous and a great politician so he sneakily screws everyone over but makes it sound like a great idea. Anakin would just be obvious and blunt with everything at least you know what your getting hes not a politician which makes him much much better. At least for the citizens of the galaxy. The citizens would likely band together stringly against anakin and the empire wouldnt last. With sidious he convinced whole systems to stay with him and even assist the empire do his bidding turning would be good guys into part of his empire and somehow even willingly at times
@@yoloswaggins5385 Irl people like Anakin make bad leaders because they wont play ball with the snakes, so the snakes all gang up on them(and win).... In SW.... the chosen one, with no great adversaries?(Sidious, Yoda/obi, etc) .... Hed draw the worst elements out like poison, use his force abilities to see past any otherwise successful deceptions, and remake the galaxy.... although, as they say, great power tends to corrupt, and that would be the rhythm to the rhyme... *shrug* interesting thought playgrounds
Anakin would be worse. Sidious was more evil, yes, but Anakin was a hilariously bad ruler, the Empire would simply crumble in a few years if he led it from the beginning. If he took control somewhere from 10 to 20 years later... then he actually might have succeeded at ruling it.
We all have to remember that Anakin was a hothead. When he saw Obi Wan, he snapped. He had also been manipulated by Palpatine to believe he couldn't trust anyone but Palpatine.
I mean, Obiwan wasnt trying to hear anything. He defended the jedi, who decided to act outside the law and commit treason just because 'trust us bro' .... theyd been lying MANY times. Palpatine was an evil monster responsible for the deaths of countless, tortured people to death(or the bringk of) and brought them back just to keep torturing them.... he wasnt afraid at all to get his hands dirty... But he almost exclusively told the truth in movies and shows(Havent read all the recent cannon books) The republic and 'democracy' said that palpatine was the law. Obi-wan was a liar and a traitor, save MAYBE to the jedi order... Obiwan lies all the time honestly. then he proceeded to cut Anakin's arms and legs off and leave him to burn to death slowly... between Obi and Palpatine, who could Anakin actually more trust? The answer is not obi wan
Side note theory on padme, I think the perceived betrayal mixed with newfound dark powers and an anakin temper tantrum caused him to use force plague/affliction on her and that is what eventually killed her. I know the theory his pal friendpatine did it and i would not put it past him, but she would have been taken somewhere secret so I doubt darth wrinkles could.
I thought it was because of Padme being pregnant with Luke and his ability to sense the future, Anakin could always feel the future so with the Twins so close to birth Luke's destiny was calling out to the Force.
Anakin actually did not deserve to be a master..Which is why Palpatine pushed for it through an executive order..Since he knew it would get rejected and sour his relationship with the council. As Anakin was extremely young, not balanced emotionally, and had not trained any Padawan to knighthood, you see this all throughout the movies, especially during the Clone Wars show. Where he killed through emotion and allowed his emotions to overtake his rational thoughts time and time again.
The problems with this point of view were that A) skill/power wise in the force Anakin was many masters superior B) the council regularly relied on Anakin and his abilities to solve and resolve issues in the war for them C) The council would regularly hold less naturally gifted Jedi to a less high standard of excellence in the ways that you mentioned basically because 'they were doing their best', which was also true of Anakin, BUT they werent a threat as a result of their power to the whole Order and Republic and Galaxy, the way that Anakin was... Ultimately it was reasonable for them to hold him to a higher standard out of caution, BUT, it was hypocritical and unfair and kept him from having access to the archives.... And they also lied to him..... alot. They(The Jedi council) were doing their best, as was Anakin. Both of their standpoints and points of view are both totally right, and totally justified. Which is what makes the masterwork of Sidious so absolutely incomparably genius and visionary.... Like a black h ole in the force
@Tim Welsh Being a master is not just about skill or power.. It's mostly about the ability to be a great leader and an example for the further generations of Jedi. For which Anakin was not, as he literally killed multiple, defenseless beings, and acted out of aggression long before the moment came when he was promoted by Palpatine. Do you think the Jedi weren't able to sense this, and the darkside in him? Of course they did.. They saw his inability to control his emotions the first time they met him. 🙄
@@j-money1354 the jedi werent any better at controlling their emotions though, and being a leader? what??? Besides that not even having anything to do with being a jedi... As far as military leaders go he was beyond exceptional, both tactically, and in regards to inspiring his troops and making them feel like they were fighting for things that mattered. 'defenseless beings' cry me a river snowflake. They were religious extremist traitor terrorists. Your just a light side care bear The force wanted the jedi and those kids dead
That’s why we need to continue in asking stupendous wave to upload What if Qui Gon jinn trained Anakin part 3 because I’m anxious to know how it will turn out
The same thing would've unfolded. He was DESTINED to be vader. He saw the 2 possible futures on mortis. He still chose the one of the dark side..even after having no recollection. The force required balance. At that point the sith was active and the jedi arrogantly believed that they still served the Force. Fyi they didn't, only Qui Gon did.
He might not have turned hence the dual of fates. if qui gon didn't die anakin wouldn't have turned. The fight was about anakins fate. Qui gon would have been the father figure and being the type of jedi he was could have supported anakins mental health and wouldn't have left an opening for sheev.
It was the Jedi Order's fault for not letting Anakin have someone to love and care for. They denied him as a boy when he was brought forth by Qui-Gonn whom he lost as a father figure. Tehy shamed him for admitting to love and miss his mother, he couldn't be open about his marriage with and thought he lost everything, including his children. It was only through the love and faith of his son Luke that he was able to find the strength to keep those he loved from dying.
anakin wasnt anakin anymore padme didnt understand this and obi wan believed in the flawed ways of the jedi to much that those who turned to the darkside are lost forever jeorge lucus said when he turned he died and vader took his place vader might have felt like anakin at the early point but he wasnt which is why anakin looks so young as force ghost in return of the jedi
What’s the song at the beginning I want to use it for my college final potentially. It’s for astronomy class it would be so cool to have this song as I explore space
Anakin was an addict to power. Like some addicts he didn’t want to be told how he was hurting others, he only wanted to enjoy his new sense of power and hungered for more.
This might be me, but I thought when he said "You're with him" I thought it meant 'Those are HIS kids in your womb and you brought him here to kill me'
That was definitely the vibe, especially with him coming out her ship all like some chad space jesus. Hes the prep/jock of the jedi order, and Ani is the book smart emo kid 🤣 Hes all "I betray all my hard work of resisting my impulses and kissing up to the teacher(Mace/yoda) just to try and impress you(save you from scary dreams), and your fucking him this whole time?" *Obi hip thrusts in a Mr. Nimbus pose in the background*
Honestly, this makes Anakin into a bigger idiot than I thought. Once Palpatine revealed himself as Darth Sidious, Anakin for some reason is incapable of figuring out that: A) this man has tried to kill Padme for years, B) has no intention of helping Anakin try to save her, and C) is tricking him into killing her by his own hand. Also, if Anakin had bothered to read Padme's thoughts, he would've known that she didn't know that Obi-wan was hiding in her ship. It sucks that Anakin had to learn the hard way that HE is the cause of Padme dying in childbirth.
Lol... you cant read peoples thoughts. And, it wasnt clear that Sideous was trying to kill Padme. I still dont think thats clear, although ultimately him loving her would be something Sideous would deal with as an obstacle no matter how things went. Also, I think all of that is a wild mis-representation. hows it go? factual but not truthful? Theres a sick harmony to it all.... it had to go these ways
@@tandavawalsh0777 Both Jedi and Sith CAN read people's thoughts. How else did Palpatine know that Anakin and Padme were married??? How did he know about Anakin's visions about Padme dying??? How the hell did he know Luke is their son??? Anakin never told Palpatine any of those things and yet, Palpatine already knew what's in his mind. Palpatine would've never gotten this far in turning Anakin to the dark side if he hadn't read him like a book. Once his Sith identity is revealed, it should be very clear to Anakin that Palpatine is working with the Separatists which makes him complicit in their assassination attempts against Padme.
@@loudboy317 You can sense things. disturbances. Feelings. You cant read peoples minds. And there is no proof that just because X then Y..... Besides... Padme at that time had been pushing for the Palpatine to have more power. Why would he be assumed to have been responsible for this specific act? Your just assuming something and then backing it up afterwards, clearly
@@tandavawalsh0777 That still doesn't explain how Palpatine knew about Anakin and Padme's marriage, Luke, nor the visions because Anakin didn't tell him any of that. You saw how Anakin reacted the moment Palpatine said, "Learn to know the dark side of the force and you will be able to save your wife from certain death". The way Anakin said, "What did you say?" was his way of saying "how the hell do you know I have wife and my visions?" You'd have to be a psychic to know what the other person is thinking. Even the Jedi knew about Anakin and Padme's relationship, hence why Obi-wan went to Padme's apartment looking for Anakin and why Yoda had foreseen himself saying "there is another Skywalker" in the clone wars cartoon. Also, Padme was secretly forming a rebel alliance with Bail Organa and Mon Mothma in an attempt to force Palpatine to relinquish his emergncy powers and to step down form his position of Supreme Chancellor since his term had already expired. Palpatine's confession alone is proof enough that he orchestrated the clone wars and commanded the separatists which makes him responsible for the death threats against Padme.
@@loudboy317 For him to know that Anakin was with Padme, as you say, wasnt uncommon knowledge... You could see how they look at each other and know immediately. Also, Anakin isnt exactly a hard read, nor does he ever even try to be. FFS Padme and Palps are from the same home planet ffs, and what does her being involved in the early formation of the rebellion have to do with ish?? As you said, so was Bail Organa. Palps didnt need her dead for any reason but to pull Anakin to the dark side, not that he minded her dying, but Im still not even sure now that he had anything to do specifically or directly with the assassination attempts. Even if he did, it doesnt mean he did it to get at Anakin, or that hes necessarily responsible for orchestrating tcw. Obviously he was, but none of that is immediately obvious by any means. Furthermore, something Anakin would know and feel strongly first hand.... The republic and the jedi order needed to die. They were corrupt and hypocritical, and sidious didnt cause the issues that led to tcw, he just brought them to light. Even if Sidious was gone and Anakin killed him, he wasnt the underlying issues with the Jedi order, or the republic. The force brought about all of this to wash away the arrogance and debauchery of having too much, being too well off, and being ruined and spoiled by it and your complacence. Your just filling in stuff as you see fit. and, sort of, a little bit, but really no... not at all Would I be sus? Sure. Was he? yeah. Should he have immediately been able to sherlock holmes everything? Thats fucking moronic and ridiculous
Dunno if she was ACTUALLY gonna assassinate her own husband. She wasn't much the type to outright do something like that. Showing to be more of a dual/fighter type then cloak an dagger Andor type. The messed up thing is Anakin was following the same formula Bane set in motion a millennium ago. An Palpatine actually PLANNED an manipulated these thoughts an sorta conversations into being.. basically WANTED him to as all Sith in their warped ways wanted... Weirdo Sith... He only jumped to such conclusions on seeing her WITH Kenobi he'd probably not reacted so bad had Obi stayed hidden or not snuck on board
I find it funny that Darth Palpy would be ironic as to say it's those who are close to us that were blind to or something like that I'm paraphrasing, because the ironic part is that he was right and it wasn't Padme the Anakin should have been wary of, it was Darth Palpy himself.
Padme wasnt attempting to assassinate him she didn't want anakin dead obi wan sneeaked aboard her ship and when she realised obi was there and he confronted anakin she wanted and was praying obi wan could convince and return him to the light without battle
Even though padme did not trust Anakin obi won was the real reason why Anakin turned on her but if obi one had stayed away she would have brought Anakin back to the light and she said before she died that there was still good in him obi won should have listened and learned from his mistake
Obi Wan was 100% correct to confront his friend over his misdeeds. Anakin had already slaughtered how many by this point? Domestic violence is never right or excusable.
He already aided palpatine with the murder of Windu, probably thought that there was no turning back, then later convinces himself that he can take over the galaxy by getting close to palpatine.
@@fenixtek Windu was FACTUALLY commiting treason.... he didnt murder windu. The kids.... maybe... I mean, arguably those still are executions... which... semantics when were talking kids, although they are also brainwashed traitor warrior monk religious extremists..... to be actually fair and honest and clear
I mean, if I just seen Obi come out of my girls ship, all steamy like some chad space jesus. 🤣 "Your with him?!" hit that boy in the feels Hes all "I just betrayed everything to try and save/impress you, and you been fucking with him the whole time?" And the final cruelty of the simp 🤣 *Chad/jock Obi hip thrusting in a Mr. Nimbus pose in the back. Emo Ani teary eyed heartbroke* 😛 Pretty sure this is how it went, right?
Palpatine planted seeds of doubt & mistrust in Anakin that he actually believed Palpatine. Anakin was conflicted about his Jedi duties… being a husband… and saving his wife from death.
so one thing I've always wonder, why didn't Obi force push/pull or something to get Anakin away from her. He just walked ever so slowly and watched as he choked the shit out of her (she probably like it too....until she died)
He either shouldnt have fought him, OR should have killed him.... leaving him like he did really said alot about him(Obi) and the Jedi.... Remember, ONLY sith deal in absolutes... which IS an absolute. Obi-wan is a treasonous traitor, and a liar. Anakin killed a bunch of brainwashed traitor cultists, granted they were children. Obi-wan cut his best friend to pieces and left him to burn to death. Nobody is innocent, but in perspective.... Idk... 'To the republic. To democracy'..... 'hes too dangerous to let live' 'were keepers of the peace, not soldiers' 'general kenobi. general skywalker' Remember kids.... ONLY sith deal in absolutes... also, war is peace 😛 Eyes to see
@@tandavawalsh0777 Careful what you wish for because the war is peace crap was taken to ludicrous extremes because of Ultra Vegito the God Killer. Not kidding. In fact Ultra Vegito the God Killer in a meta sense will give us the Anakin we all deserve with ACTUAL consequences catching up to him. Thanks for existing ARJ
A Sith Lords greatest power is not in how they use a Lightsaber or the Force it's how they manipulate events and people to their advantage and only their advantage.
Or just asked Obi-Wan for the information. Obi-Wan knew how close Anakin and Padme were, he suspected it but still loved anakin as his brother and I don't think he would have betrayed him if his reason for asking for this info was to save someones life, especially not if that person was someone Anakin loved. Having lost the person he loved he would sympathize with that pain and want to spare his padawan and brother that pain.
At this point with Marvel doing a What If TV show. They should make a Star Wars one where Anakin beats Obi Wan and Kills Sidious it would be way better than Rey and Finn
Poor anakin, he thought that bc the jedi taught him romantic love and love in general was not allowed that by their order that with their opposite force rivals that he would be able to finally openly and truly love his wife, he was manipulated into thinking that by Palpatine who knew that padme would be an obstacle in turning anakin into his perfect apprentice and lied saying that with the sith he could finally have what he always wanted which was just padme and the chance for their little future family to live together in peace and in a galaxy they would build together to protect the innocent, Palpatine convinced him only the dark side held the secrets to saving her from the visions he was tortured with of her forthcoming death not knowing that palpatines macinations is what led to the events endzngering her and driving him to extreme action to save her in the first place , if youg jedi ere allowed to learn about the sith at all anakin would've saw there was no love romantic or otherwise allowed on their side either and that any good intention or emotion would only be twisted into something foul to provide fuel for their Darkseid powers bc all they cared about was attaining and retaining power
It never made sense to me the whole dying because of a broken heart because she said there is still good in him meaning that there is still hope for him so why would she say that and then give up hope on him and die?
I cannot stand Padme in the films nor in the revenge of the Sith novelization. She just doesn’t make sense, a good example being that she married a guy who literally massacred an entire village without a second thought. Also, she doesn’t really have any personality in the novelization save that she is Anakin Skywalker’s wife. While it is perfectly normal for married couples to think about one another often, and even in affectionate terms, they are nevertheless, two personalities working in concert as one union. We don’t get to really see Padme’s half of that union. We know that she is a politician who distrusts Palpatine and that is it.
Let me see... Anakin killed children, was technically responsible for high treason, Would be blamed as a co-conspirator, Padme trying to save her own ass from being incarcerated/executed/lynched by angry loyalists.
woah woah woah.... who committed high treason? Anakin??? Try the jedi. Did we watch the same movie? Yes the govt had been taken over by a psycho dictator.... democratically. The jedi were the traitors, by a huge margin. How anybody could get a different take-away from that is baffling. I dont think you understand what treason is
@@BRIMZ619 oh okay, so simply the title of the movie. I thought it had some other thing in the title, but that’s great, it’ll be easy to find. Thank you very much
I don't care, to top off all his other attrocities he choked his pregnant wife and she was clearly near the point of delivery. You can't justify abuse like that no matter the circumstances. He was a POS and he should have burned for eternity. 🤔😵
The movie and trilogy would have been so much better had they delved more into what was going on with Anakin. And included all the deleted scenes from Sith in the movie. Wasted opportunity
@Anime Man Right...but right before he made it appear as if he knew lol. "Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the darkside of the force, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death." 🤣🤣😭😭😭
For what? All he did was slay a buncha soldiers and criminals and traitors and extremists. And he gave up having any quality of life for his whole life to do it. Who but Anakin deserves forgiveness for anything? Even the kids he cut down were treasonous brainwashed religious extremist cultists. Sometimes ya gotta execute people. It isnt a good time, but the jedi did had to go. It was the will of the force. Long live the gospel of Traya. Death to the meddling vainglorious manipulations of the force and its selfish sadistic playing games with our lives bullshit! May Anakin lead the way 😛
In old canon? Yeah, he killed Palpatine on the second death star forever and Palpatine never came back. He also saved his son and the galaxy from the oppression of the Sith. In disney canon? In disney canon, his story doesn't make sense anymore.
I think it’s important to note that Anakin was jealous and thought Obi-Won and Padme had feelings for each other. This made him immediately think that Padme intentionally brought Obi-Won with her, and for what other purpose than to kill him
Whether due to planning or the ability to capitalize on fortunate situations, Palpatine was able to severally damage Anakin's trust in all around him during the course of the Clone War. Obi-Wan faking his death, Padme having to reignite a relationship then rapidly getting in over her head twice, the Jedi Council discarding Ahsoka, Ahsoka leaving him and the order behind, its little wonder Palpatine was one of the few pillars left to him. Tragically I think Palpatine understood something Padme and Obi-Wan failed to, Anakin was extremely guarded and struggled greatly trusting people especially if there was ever any past doubts. Im sure they had hoped to mend things once the war was over but it was far too late and with his trust already damaged all it took was the slightest mistake to shatter it completely.
I figured Palp was messing with his head. Anakin missed a father figure growing up, was angry because of what happened to his mother, and was susceptible to Palp's influence
that is the point of the Prequels and Yes Palpatine is a groomer among other sins that He had. Yes Palpatine is a creepy old bastard
@@DeathScepter grooming isn't evil if its for a job, if its for coitus then it is evil.
Not really. Palpatine knew Padme very well - they were from same planet and same social circles. I believe he selected her as a perfect tool. Young, ambitious, no real life experience yet convinced she was right. Sort of like Greta Thunberg in our world. Perfect tool to turn Anakin to dark side, and then be discarded.
@@aleksazunjic9672 Padmé was considered something of a ‘loose cannon’ by Palpatine and Damask, so there are problems with that theory.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Perhaps, but it was still their cannon, firing at their enemies 😁 On a serious note, Palpatine was expert manipulator. He worked with various people, all with different motives and goals. Yet, he somehow managed to bend them to his will and his goal. Padme was no exception, in fact she was perhaps his best and most important tool, more important than even Dooku.
As someone who has had outbursts of violent rage, I think the writers of Anakin's character are short on one thing. Not enough about the fire that builds inside before exploding and typically with more nonsense, as Anakin is definitely insane when he chokes padme, he doesn't sound insane, he sounds angry. Though they are similar I think violent rage is different than anger.
Don’t forget the first thing Vader says when he emerges in his suit is where Padme was and if she were safe. He was not so far gone that he ever stopped loving her or despised what she had attempted to do. His rage did indeed overcome him to choke out the only person left that he truly loved, but he never wanted her dead. It’s like a parent that strikes their child out of anger and immediately regrets it (some more than others) because love always overcomes hate.
Then again, Palp’s used this to siphon her life in order to keep Vader alive, thus he wasn’t wrong when he said “in your anger, it seems you killed her.” All that time he tried avoiding the very thing he brought upon himself…
No. Palps didn't siphon Padmé's life force. That's a fan theory that was never confirmed. She died of a broken heart.
At least one parody version of that scene has Anakin raging "You brought him here to kill me, and you're probably sleeping with him too!"
I have always hated the “died of a broken heart” I feel like it would have been so much more tragic if he’d force choked and threw her which caused her to go into labor. So during the fight she’s giving birth on the floor of the ship alone and dies from complications from that. Imagine the fight between obi-wan and Vader with cuts of Padme giving birth to Luke and Leia. I also wish Padme had been a driving force of the opposition against Palpatine. I like the idea of Padme essentially laying the groundwork of what would become the rebellion.
itd have to be done JUST right not to come off wonky, but if you pulled it off it would be ALOT more harmonious and clean of a story
Padme didn't die of a broken heart. It was Palpatine, who transferred her force-essence into dying Anakin, thus, saving Anakin and killing Padme. A genius move, isn't it? Her force essence isn't much, but it was enough to give Vader enough strength to not die from his injuries.
@@bizmasterTheSlav Is that from the book or expanded universe? I wish they would have shown that because normal audience members were told she died of a broken heart.
@@coreyboggs2011 nah that’s not canon it’s just some theory people make up
@@bizmasterTheSlav she died of a broken heart, dude. Accept it.
The irony of Palpatine killing four Masters was that there would've been vacancies for Anakin to progress to Master rank, as well as join the council. This would've allowed him to study if the Jedi had a method of saving Padme's life. The alternative was to find someone skilled in force healing and have them ready to save Padme's life.
Anakin face on finding out that the Jedi didn't have a method of saving Padme's life, hidden in the vaults; that he'd lost Padme by his own hand in an act of irrationality.
Sith paranoia was the final step after all the mind manipulation of Anakin which led to Padme's tragic end.
If this is the case then that means that Sidious could see shatterpoints in the force just like Windu could
He could. 🤷♂️
Windu was the first Jedi to effectively “master” shatter point (also, creating Vaapad), whilest also maintaining allegiance to the Light.
Palpatine definitely knew of the ability and used it regularly with Anakin.
@Justin B which makes what happened to him even more tragic at the end of the clone war he lost his mind and him finding out a sith lord took everything he loved dear from him and didn't even know it until Anakin someone he never trusted in the 1st place told him that that pushed him over the edge and when you lose focus in the game for one second you lose your connection to the force and your abilities with it that's why he didn't see getting his hand chopped off but Sidious did know that which is why he played a frail old man who no longer had any fight left in him
Actually, for Palpatine Padme was perfect tool, useful idiot of the first class. She helped him to become Chancellor, she led dumb opposition against him (preventing someone more capable) and finally she delivered Anakin to him .
@@aleksazunjic9672 perfect idiot indeed she didn't even see that he turned Anakin against her when she was apart of that 2000 senate decree that Palpatine step down after the war is over didn't tell Anakin about it because of his relationship with Palpatine however she betrayed her vows to him when she did that and didn't think for one second that that wasn't going to be used against her she was way to naive
I dont think padme died of a broken heart necessarily. I helieve she died because Anakin in a way did actually kill her by reaching out through the force to padme who became for sensitive. Since she had two growing children that were force sensitive and there was not only an exchange between blood being in the womb, but the midichlorine counts of both children combined. I believe she formed a type of force based neural link with Anakin. Exchanging emotions, and even to a degree physical pain. She felt and understood anakin's pain on a very deep level at that point. Feeling what he kept bottled up for so many years in the order as well as him on the brink of death on the operating table. I believe once she felt the pain of child birth as well as somewhat of what Anakin felt is what killed her. She or Anakin may have done this accidentally, or she might have used this to save Anakin's life by taking a slither of the burden his physical or psychological pain had on him. I believe when Padme says that their is still good or hope in Anakin before she dies also has a deeper meaning. As she was able to see his dreams and premonitions through this point and was able to see further ahead to Anakin's redemption. By inadvertently using the midichlorines of the Two Children but mostly Leia. Which is why Leia does not quite have the same force potential as luke. Since it cut her off from the force from birth only leading her to manifest her abilities decades after Luke.
what an imagination but didn't happen that way at all
Leia had more potential than Luke.
As well I think she died because her children's power was too much and this lead her to die from child birth.
It was too much for her to handle.
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Anakin at 19: Successful, powerful General leading armies
Padmé at 19: Senator who was Queen of her own planet once, versed in politics AND combat
Leia at 19: Diplomatic Envoy, Works with the Senate, smuggles plans, aids the rebellion
Luke at 19: Still playing with toy snubfighters in his bedroom
I thought she died because palpatine killed her through the force, by draining the life force out of her as she was giving birth, and transferred it into Anakin to keep him alive while he was being rebuilt
Wasn’t Padme originally going to stab him with a blade but then George had that idea cut?
Yes
Thank god it was cut
An Interesting and relevant comment. If true it means Stupendous Wave is a clickbaiting dumbass.
@@UnluckyCantaloupe4I like that idea. I wish he would stop changing his mind. I want original story. Darth jar jar. Everything.
@@Not-an-Alien there would've never been a Luke Skywalker if George never changed his mind.
Anakin inner monologue: I sense that padme wants to assassinate me....
Anakin was a hothead. All Palpatine had to do was wind him up and get out of the way.
To be fair, besides maybe Padme, everyone who got got by Vader really did have it coming(children excluded :-p .... speaking more about groups than individuals)
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Even she wants to kill him but she still loves him just before her death I often believe that Padme died of a broken heart
That never made sense to me because if she believes there is still good in him that means she believes there is still hope so why would she die of a broken heart if the hope is still there?
@@ericseitzler81she had to die for the plot and the whole movie was a rushed sequence of events that easily could have been two movies
@@richardgeneral7415 yea they rushed that and his turn also but all Lucas had to do is let her die because of childbirth and not a broken heart and that would have worked.
I subscribe to the theory that Palpatine killed Padme through the Force. He used Sith magic on the necklace Anakin had given her in TPM, and then used it to drain the Force from Padme as she was weakened from her attack and labor, and channeled that Force energy into Vader so that he would survive his transformative surgeries. This explanation lines up perfectly with the scene in ROTS at Padme's funeral where the camera focuses in on that necklace in her dead hands.
@@deerpic they focused on the necklace to show that she loved Anakin and that her love of him is the reason she is dead,I see why you might like that idea but their is nothing in cannon that backs that up at all(at least to my knowledge).
There is something inherent in sentient nature and power. Power tends to pull on the strings of our fear. This is why it is a popular, if not factual, notion that it corrupts. The deeper one craves power and feels they've gained it the more friends and loved ones can be painted as villains who want to take that power either out of jealousy or fear themselves.
Anakin was merely beginning to come to the same conclusion that Darth Malgus did , that love weakens you .
**In ways.... But, love is also what redeemed him, and what ultimately overcame the darkest evil, unless to consider disney garbage cannon(I used to love disney too :( )
yup can't trust these 304s.
I love how he said you tricked me !!
Next video: "What would happen if Padme came alone to Mustafar?"
This.
This would be a great “what if,” but I think it would have devolved regardless of whether Obi-Wan showed up or not. Imo, by then, Vader was too far gone.
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*Padme Cough
Anakin: YOU CAME HERE TO KILL ME!!!
I think it would still end up with him choking her, but he would then say "what have I done" and bring her to coruscant for medical attention, where Sidious would still transfer her force essence to Anakin or to himself (in case Anakin will not be injured) and she will still die. So I guess It wouldn't change much.
I like the novelizations, it really deep dives into the inner thought and feelings of the characters that the movie's don't have time to do. 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦
"Liar! You're with him!"
That could mean something totally different.
Nah it's not about cheating, Anakin thought Padme betrayed him and brought Obi-Wan to kill him. Remember, Anakin and Padme had dramatically different political views and Anakin had all the reasons not to trust Padme so much anymore
Very tragic. I agree. Such brilliant manipulations by Palpatine. Every move,every thought extremely calculated. And in right time. Nice explanation of events. May the Force be with you too :) See you soon :)
With each piece of information that I get from your videos, I begin to truly understand how unbelievably genius and evil Sidious was. His Sith name suited him perfectly.
That doesn't really make sense since Padme literally dies because of a broken heart over Anakin so idk why she would try and assassinate him.
Because she saw what he had become, she can still have a broken heart and understand that anakin needs to be stopped
It true that in real live people die from a brokem heart but it take time weaks must of them are old personne who have live years togethers. for Padme the medical droid don't understand why she dying so the droid talk about some broken heart because it is the closet thing that a droid can think about why she dying. In reality Palpatine is using force drain on her to save Anakin from death using there force bound to connect with her. So when Palpatine say that vader has kill her it true from a certain point of view if he didn't lose the fight he will not have need to drain her to save him.
Leaving that toliet seat up .....
It’s sad he had visions of padme dying and unfortunately it was him falling to the dark side that broke padmes heart and made her die
if its cannon or not, I always kinds thought anakins visions were partially pre-cognitive, but also it would be fine and fit if Palps had something to do with him have fear based nightmares and visions.... Using peoples fears is both what the dark side, and Palpatine especially specialized and excelled in
She died of child birth
@@smokeyhoodoo The doctor said she was perfectly healthy if you watch it closely. She died of a broken heart. I used to think that was what happened too
@@smokeyhoodoo Naw. She didn't. She died of a broken heart
@@qb6570 It was child birth. I get its fantasy but reality still applies
One of the most saddest sence all of star wars media 😢😢😢
Between Sidious and Dark Side Anakin, who do you think would have been a better or worse ruler of the galaxy?
i like this question
Sidious is way worse. Hes so treacherous and a great politician so he sneakily screws everyone over but makes it sound like a great idea. Anakin would just be obvious and blunt with everything at least you know what your getting hes not a politician which makes him much much better. At least for the citizens of the galaxy. The citizens would likely band together stringly against anakin and the empire wouldnt last. With sidious he convinced whole systems to stay with him and even assist the empire do his bidding turning would be good guys into part of his empire and somehow even willingly at times
Anakin would have been much better. Everything Anakin does is to help people, it’s what makes his fall so tragic.
@@yoloswaggins5385 Irl people like Anakin make bad leaders because they wont play ball with the snakes, so the snakes all gang up on them(and win).... In SW.... the chosen one, with no great adversaries?(Sidious, Yoda/obi, etc) .... Hed draw the worst elements out like poison, use his force abilities to see past any otherwise successful deceptions, and remake the galaxy.... although, as they say, great power tends to corrupt, and that would be the rhythm to the rhyme... *shrug* interesting thought playgrounds
Anakin would be worse. Sidious was more evil, yes, but Anakin was a hilariously bad ruler, the Empire would simply crumble in a few years if he led it from the beginning. If he took control somewhere from 10 to 20 years later... then he actually might have succeeded at ruling it.
We all have to remember that Anakin was a hothead. When he saw Obi Wan, he snapped. He had also been manipulated by Palpatine to believe he couldn't trust anyone but Palpatine.
I mean, Obiwan wasnt trying to hear anything. He defended the jedi, who decided to act outside the law and commit treason just because 'trust us bro' .... theyd been lying MANY times. Palpatine was an evil monster responsible for the deaths of countless, tortured people to death(or the bringk of) and brought them back just to keep torturing them.... he wasnt afraid at all to get his hands dirty...
But he almost exclusively told the truth in movies and shows(Havent read all the recent cannon books)
The republic and 'democracy' said that palpatine was the law. Obi-wan was a liar and a traitor, save MAYBE to the jedi order... Obiwan lies all the time honestly.
then he proceeded to cut Anakin's arms and legs off and leave him to burn to death slowly...
between Obi and Palpatine, who could Anakin actually more trust?
The answer is not obi wan
Maybe characters not from SW would be the answer
Great video, the deepest tragedy of love, betrayal, heroes, villians FEAR & DRAKNESS. The darkness is in all of us.
Man your channel is one of the best on you tube!!
Side note theory on padme, I think the perceived betrayal mixed with newfound dark powers and an anakin temper tantrum caused him to use force plague/affliction on her and that is what eventually killed her. I know the theory his pal friendpatine did it and i would not put it past him, but she would have been taken somewhere secret so I doubt darth wrinkles could.
Yes, that does make more sense. Thank you.
I thought it was because of Padme being pregnant with Luke and his ability to sense the future, Anakin could always feel the future so with the Twins so close to birth Luke's destiny was calling out to the Force.
Anakin actually did not deserve to be a master..Which is why Palpatine pushed for it through an executive order..Since he knew it would get rejected and sour his relationship with the council.
As Anakin was extremely young, not balanced emotionally, and had not trained any Padawan to knighthood, you see this all throughout the movies, especially during the Clone Wars show. Where he killed through emotion and allowed his emotions to overtake his rational thoughts time and time again.
The problems with this point of view were that A) skill/power wise in the force Anakin was many masters superior B) the council regularly relied on Anakin and his abilities to solve and resolve issues in the war for them C) The council would regularly hold less naturally gifted Jedi to a less high standard of excellence in the ways that you mentioned basically because 'they were doing their best', which was also true of Anakin, BUT they werent a threat as a result of their power to the whole Order and Republic and Galaxy, the way that Anakin was...
Ultimately it was reasonable for them to hold him to a higher standard out of caution, BUT, it was hypocritical and unfair and kept him from having access to the archives.... And they also lied to him..... alot.
They(The Jedi council) were doing their best, as was Anakin. Both of their standpoints and points of view are both totally right, and totally justified.
Which is what makes the masterwork of Sidious so absolutely incomparably genius and visionary....
Like a black h ole in the force
@Tim Welsh Being a master is not just about skill or power.. It's mostly about the ability to be a great leader and an example for the further generations of Jedi.
For which Anakin was not, as he literally killed multiple, defenseless beings, and acted out of aggression long before the moment came when he was promoted by Palpatine.
Do you think the Jedi weren't able to sense this, and the darkside in him? Of course they did.. They saw his inability to control his emotions the first time they met him. 🙄
@@j-money1354 the jedi werent any better at controlling their emotions though, and being a leader? what??? Besides that not even having anything to do with being a jedi... As far as military leaders go he was beyond exceptional, both tactically, and in regards to inspiring his troops and making them feel like they were fighting for things that mattered. 'defenseless beings' cry me a river snowflake. They were religious extremist traitor terrorists.
Your just a light side care bear
The force wanted the jedi and those kids dead
@@tandavawalsh0777 How so? And try to answer without being a naive follower of siths
I always wonder how everything would’ve turned out if Qui Gon Jinn would’ve trained Anakin
That’s why we need to continue in asking stupendous wave to upload What if Qui Gon jinn trained Anakin part 3 because I’m anxious to know how it will turn out
The same thing would've unfolded. He was DESTINED to be vader. He saw the 2 possible futures on mortis. He still chose the one of the dark side..even after having no recollection.
The force required balance. At that point the sith was active and the jedi arrogantly believed that they still served the Force. Fyi they didn't, only Qui Gon did.
@@qb6570 that’s true, the prophecy only said the chosen one would bring balance.
He might not have turned hence the dual of fates. if qui gon didn't die anakin wouldn't have turned. The fight was about anakins fate. Qui gon would have been the father figure and being the type of jedi he was could have supported anakins mental health and wouldn't have left an opening for sheev.
It was the Jedi Order's fault for not letting Anakin have someone to love and care for. They denied him as a boy when he was brought forth by Qui-Gonn whom he lost as a father figure. Tehy shamed him for admitting to love and miss his mother, he couldn't be open about his marriage with and thought he lost everything, including his children. It was only through the love and faith of his son Luke that he was able to find the strength to keep those he loved from dying.
Anakin was the brightest bulb in the galaxy. Palpatine played him like a fiddle.🎻
anakin wasnt anakin anymore padme didnt understand this and obi wan believed in the flawed ways of the jedi to much that those who turned to the darkside are lost forever jeorge lucus said when he turned he died and vader took his place vader might have felt like anakin at the early point but he wasnt which is why anakin looks so young as force ghost in return of the jedi
Definitely makes sense. Good video breakdown.
What’s the song at the beginning I want to use it for my college final potentially. It’s for astronomy class it would be so cool to have this song as I explore space
I can't find it either. Fingers crossed someone figures it out
a mystery to me as well.
@@SuperGoose42hopefully one day I used different music but I would still like to know it 😂
Anakin was an addict to power. Like some addicts he didn’t want to be told how he was hurting others, he only wanted to enjoy his new sense of power and hungered for more.
This might be me, but I thought when he said "You're with him" I thought it meant 'Those are HIS kids in your womb and you brought him here to kill me'
HELL NAWWW!!! Holy shit!!! This comment would’ve caused 15 more movies of just anakin and obi going for it 24/7 😭😭
@@oldaccount7885 THAT WOULD BE THE MOST INSANE PLOT TWIST IN ALL OF STAR WARS THE INFINITE FIGHTING!!!
LMAO😂😂😂
That was definitely the vibe, especially with him coming out her ship all like some chad space jesus. Hes the prep/jock of the jedi order, and Ani is the book smart emo kid 🤣
Hes all "I betray all my hard work of resisting my impulses and kissing up to the teacher(Mace/yoda) just to try and impress you(save you from scary dreams), and your fucking him this whole time?"
*Obi hip thrusts in a Mr. Nimbus pose in the background*
@@xdj2a2 Like These dudes would’ve been CRAWLINNGG and their bones shaking while still swinging on one another!!!
Honestly, this makes Anakin into a bigger idiot than I thought. Once Palpatine revealed himself as Darth Sidious, Anakin for some reason is incapable of figuring out that:
A) this man has tried to kill Padme for years, B) has no intention of helping Anakin try to save her, and C) is tricking him into killing her by his own hand.
Also, if Anakin had bothered to read Padme's thoughts, he would've known that she didn't know that Obi-wan was hiding in her ship. It sucks that Anakin had to learn the hard way that HE is the cause of Padme dying in childbirth.
Lol... you cant read peoples thoughts. And, it wasnt clear that Sideous was trying to kill Padme. I still dont think thats clear, although ultimately him loving her would be something Sideous would deal with as an obstacle no matter how things went.
Also, I think all of that is a wild mis-representation. hows it go? factual but not truthful?
Theres a sick harmony to it all.... it had to go these ways
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Both Jedi and Sith CAN read people's thoughts. How else did Palpatine know that Anakin and Padme were married??? How did he know about Anakin's visions about Padme dying??? How the hell did he know Luke is their son???
Anakin never told Palpatine any of those things and yet, Palpatine already knew what's in his mind. Palpatine would've never gotten this far in turning Anakin to the dark side if he hadn't read him like a book.
Once his Sith identity is revealed, it should be very clear to Anakin that Palpatine is working with the Separatists which makes him complicit in their assassination attempts against Padme.
@@loudboy317 You can sense things. disturbances. Feelings. You cant read peoples minds. And there is no proof that just because X then Y..... Besides... Padme at that time had been pushing for the Palpatine to have more power. Why would he be assumed to have been responsible for this specific act? Your just assuming something and then backing it up afterwards, clearly
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That still doesn't explain how Palpatine knew about Anakin and Padme's marriage, Luke, nor the visions because Anakin didn't tell him any of that. You saw how Anakin reacted the moment Palpatine said, "Learn to know the dark side of the force and you will be able to save your wife from certain death". The way Anakin said, "What did you say?" was his way of saying "how the hell do you know I have wife and my visions?" You'd have to be a psychic to know what the other person is thinking.
Even the Jedi knew about Anakin and Padme's relationship, hence why Obi-wan went to Padme's apartment looking for Anakin and why Yoda had foreseen himself saying "there is another Skywalker" in the clone wars cartoon.
Also, Padme was secretly forming a rebel alliance with Bail Organa and Mon Mothma in an attempt to force Palpatine to relinquish his emergncy powers and to step down form his position of Supreme Chancellor since his term had already expired. Palpatine's confession alone is proof enough that he orchestrated the clone wars and commanded the separatists which makes him responsible for the death threats against Padme.
@@loudboy317 For him to know that Anakin was with Padme, as you say, wasnt uncommon knowledge... You could see how they look at each other and know immediately. Also, Anakin isnt exactly a hard read, nor does he ever even try to be. FFS Padme and Palps are from the same home planet ffs, and what does her being involved in the early formation of the rebellion have to do with ish?? As you said, so was Bail Organa. Palps didnt need her dead for any reason but to pull Anakin to the dark side, not that he minded her dying, but Im still not even sure now that he had anything to do specifically or directly with the assassination attempts. Even if he did, it doesnt mean he did it to get at Anakin, or that hes necessarily responsible for orchestrating tcw. Obviously he was, but none of that is immediately obvious by any means. Furthermore, something Anakin would know and feel strongly first hand.... The republic and the jedi order needed to die. They were corrupt and hypocritical, and sidious didnt cause the issues that led to tcw, he just brought them to light. Even if Sidious was gone and Anakin killed him, he wasnt the underlying issues with the Jedi order, or the republic.
The force brought about all of this to wash away the arrogance and debauchery of having too much, being too well off, and being ruined and spoiled by it and your complacence.
Your just filling in stuff as you see fit. and, sort of, a little bit, but really no... not at all
Would I be sus? Sure. Was he? yeah. Should he have immediately been able to sherlock holmes everything? Thats fucking moronic and ridiculous
Dunno if she was ACTUALLY gonna assassinate her own husband. She wasn't much the type to outright do something like that. Showing to be more of a dual/fighter type then cloak an dagger Andor type. The messed up thing is Anakin was following the same formula Bane set in motion a millennium ago. An Palpatine actually PLANNED an manipulated these thoughts an sorta conversations into being.. basically WANTED him to as all Sith in their warped ways wanted... Weirdo Sith... He only jumped to such conclusions on seeing her WITH Kenobi he'd probably not reacted so bad had Obi stayed hidden or not snuck on board
She should have been that tho. ROTS was close to perfection until George scrapped Padme leaving Vader mostly dead
I find it funny that Darth Palpy would be ironic as to say it's those who are close to us that were blind to or something like that I'm paraphrasing, because the ironic part is that he was right and it wasn't Padme the Anakin should have been wary of, it was Darth Palpy himself.
Padme wasnt attempting to assassinate him she didn't want anakin dead obi wan sneeaked aboard her ship and when she realised obi was there and he confronted anakin she wanted and was praying obi wan could convince and return him to the light without battle
Even though padme did not trust Anakin obi won was the real reason why Anakin turned on her but if obi one had stayed away she would have brought Anakin back to the light and she said before she died that there was still good in him obi won should have listened and learned from his mistake
Obi Wan was 100% correct to confront his friend over his misdeeds. Anakin had already slaughtered how many by this point? Domestic violence is never right or excusable.
@@marial8235 That depends on the circumstances.
He already aided palpatine with the murder of Windu, probably thought that there was no turning back, then later convinces himself that he can take over the galaxy by getting close to palpatine.
@@marial8235 there is a time and a place for everything obi wan literally picked the worst time to come out
@@fenixtek Windu was FACTUALLY commiting treason.... he didnt murder windu. The kids.... maybe... I mean, arguably those still are executions... which... semantics when were talking kids, although they are also brainwashed traitor warrior monk religious extremists..... to be actually fair and honest and clear
He left the toliet seat up
it suggests that obi wan is partially responsible for padmes death
Facts
What song is playing for most of the video? I checked the description but those songs are different
He choked his 9 month pregnant wife, he was definitely evil, I'm glad Kenobi beat him
Refreshing to see someone not defending him for a change haha
I mean, if I just seen Obi come out of my girls ship, all steamy like some chad space jesus. 🤣 "Your with him?!" hit that boy in the feels
Hes all "I just betrayed everything to try and save/impress you, and you been fucking with him the whole time?"
And the final cruelty of the simp 🤣
*Chad/jock Obi hip thrusting in a Mr. Nimbus pose in the back. Emo Ani teary eyed heartbroke* 😛
Pretty sure this is how it went, right?
What's the song called used in this video?
I just assumed Palpatine took her life force like Kotor 2
Palpatine planted seeds of doubt & mistrust in Anakin that he actually believed Palpatine. Anakin was conflicted about his Jedi duties… being a husband… and saving his wife from death.
What’s the song at the beginning of the video?
so one thing I've always wonder, why didn't Obi force push/pull or something to get Anakin away from her. He just walked ever so slowly and watched as he choked the shit out of her (she probably like it too....until she died)
1:38 the Hutt council didn't grant Anakin the rank of master lol
Name of the music?
Padme Skywalker*. Darth Vader*
Yes, well said
That background music is Just creepy
I still don't understand why the hell Obi-Wan didn't kill him, put him out of his misery and saved the galaxy 25 years of terrorism
He either shouldnt have fought him, OR should have killed him.... leaving him like he did really said alot about him(Obi) and the Jedi.... Remember, ONLY sith deal in absolutes... which IS an absolute. Obi-wan is a treasonous traitor, and a liar. Anakin killed a bunch of brainwashed traitor cultists, granted they were children. Obi-wan cut his best friend to pieces and left him to burn to death.
Nobody is innocent, but in perspective.... Idk... 'To the republic. To democracy'..... 'hes too dangerous to let live'
'were keepers of the peace, not soldiers'
'general kenobi. general skywalker'
Remember kids....
ONLY sith deal in absolutes...
also, war is peace 😛
Eyes to see
@@tandavawalsh0777 Careful what you wish for because the war is peace crap was taken to ludicrous extremes because of Ultra Vegito the God Killer. Not kidding. In fact Ultra Vegito the God Killer in a meta sense will give us the Anakin we all deserve with ACTUAL consequences catching up to him. Thanks for existing ARJ
It does make more sense but if she had been packing a dagger like the original script is rumored to have called for that could have been better.
A Sith Lords greatest power is not in how they use a Lightsaber or the Force it's how they manipulate events and people to their advantage and only their advantage.
Was it confirmed that palpatine used the force to kill padme across the galaxy when she died during childbirth
I believe the theory that Darth Sidious drained the lifeforce off Padme to keep Vader alive
A theory that was never confirmed. Padmé died of a broken heart. End of story.
If Obi one wasn't fighting Grievous, things would have been very different.
What if Anakin forced his way to the restricted holocrons?
Or just asked Obi-Wan for the information. Obi-Wan knew how close Anakin and Padme were, he suspected it but still loved anakin as his brother and I don't think he would have betrayed him if his reason for asking for this info was to save someones life, especially not if that person was someone Anakin loved. Having lost the person he loved he would sympathize with that pain and want to spare his padawan and brother that pain.
It make’s perfect sense now that seen
Padme didn't even come to assassinate anakin?
At this point with Marvel doing a What If TV show. They should make a Star Wars one where Anakin beats Obi Wan and Kills Sidious it would be way better than Rey and Finn
It's official, Palpatine was one million percent pure evil. What is it about being evil that raises the IQ?
Poor anakin, he thought that bc the jedi taught him romantic love and love in general was not allowed that by their order that with their opposite force rivals that he would be able to finally openly and truly love his wife, he was manipulated into thinking that by Palpatine who knew that padme would be an obstacle in turning anakin into his perfect apprentice and lied saying that with the sith he could finally have what he always wanted which was just padme and the chance for their little future family to live together in peace and in a galaxy they would build together to protect the innocent, Palpatine convinced him only the dark side held the secrets to saving her from the visions he was tortured with of her forthcoming death not knowing that palpatines macinations is what led to the events endzngering her and driving him to extreme action to save her in the first place , if youg jedi ere allowed to learn about the sith at all anakin would've saw there was no love romantic or otherwise allowed on their side either and that any good intention or emotion would only be twisted into something foul to provide fuel for their Darkseid powers bc all they cared about was attaining and retaining power
- because it was in the original shooting script.
It never made sense to me the whole dying because of a broken heart because she said there is still good in him meaning that there is still hope for him so why would she say that and then give up hope on him and die?
Honestly if Anakin wasn't such a creep as a child everything would have gone good
I cannot stand Padme in the films nor in the revenge of the Sith novelization. She just doesn’t make sense, a good example being that she married a guy who literally massacred an entire village without a second thought. Also, she doesn’t really have any personality in the novelization save that she is Anakin Skywalker’s wife. While it is perfectly normal for married couples to think about one another often, and even in affectionate terms, they are nevertheless, two personalities working in concert as one union. We don’t get to really see Padme’s half of that union. We know that she is a politician who distrusts Palpatine and that is it.
Can you continue what if order 66 failed
Let me see... Anakin killed children, was technically responsible for high treason, Would be blamed as a co-conspirator, Padme trying to save her own ass from being incarcerated/executed/lynched by angry loyalists.
woah woah woah.... who committed high treason? Anakin??? Try the jedi. Did we watch the same movie? Yes the govt had been taken over by a psycho dictator.... democratically.
The jedi were the traitors, by a huge margin.
How anybody could get a different take-away from that is baffling. I dont think you understand what treason is
@@tandavawalsh0777 Maybe they were better off as Inquisitors and hence a better Kenobi miniseries would have existed
What if Darth Vader did not kill the younglings and instead trained them to be inquisitors
We would have gotten a better Kenobi series
tbh this makes anakins raging out more understandable I always thought he turns on padme way too fast
Hayden and Ahsoka will fight on mustafar in the Ahsoka show
It worked out in the end. He didn’t have to pay child support or alimony
What I learned from this, is that I DESPERATELY need to read the novelisation of the movies. Can someone send me the titles of the books, please?
Revenge of the Sith..that's the novelization.
@@BRIMZ619 oh okay, so simply the title of the movie. I thought it had some other thing in the title, but that’s great, it’ll be easy to find. Thank you very much
There's an audio book that's good too
@@j-money1354 really? Where can I find it?
Day 124 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
I don't care, to top off all his other attrocities he choked his pregnant wife and she was clearly near the point of delivery. You can't justify abuse like that no matter the circumstances. He was a POS and he should have burned for eternity. 🤔😵
The movie and trilogy would have been so much better had they delved more into what was going on with Anakin. And included all the deleted scenes from Sith in the movie. Wasted opportunity
I never trusted Padme, she is a politician..
Wow that was deep
Lucas star wars > Kathleen Kennedy Star wars
First of all this is all BS, cause she wasnt and didnt even know Kenobi sneaked onboard
Anakin was one dumb person lol
Basic manipulation 101, 1 person telling you everyone else is messed up/evil/against you.
And yet it works on people very commonly
Not really dumb considering that Palpatine had known Anakin for 13 years and was a great confidant and had spent those years being his friend.
He had to know he got played as soon as he turned, and Palpatine told him he actually didn't know how to save people from dying lol.
@@j-money1354 What Palpatine said was that together they could discover the secret of Plagius
@Anime Man Right...but right before he made it appear as if he knew lol.
"Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi.
Learn to know the darkside of the force, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death." 🤣🤣😭😭😭
Do you guys believe Anakin deserves forgiveness?
For what? All he did was slay a buncha soldiers and criminals and traitors and extremists. And he gave up having any quality of life for his whole life to do it.
Who but Anakin deserves forgiveness for anything?
Even the kids he cut down were treasonous brainwashed religious extremist cultists. Sometimes ya gotta execute people. It isnt a good time, but the jedi did had to go. It was the will of the force.
Long live the gospel of Traya. Death to the meddling vainglorious manipulations of the force and its selfish sadistic playing games with our lives bullshit!
May Anakin lead the way 😛
In old canon? Yeah, he killed Palpatine on the second death star forever and Palpatine never came back. He also saved his son and the galaxy from the oppression of the Sith. In disney canon? In disney canon, his story doesn't make sense anymore.
@@tandavawalsh0777 Good luck in not creating a "Kratos" like character in Star Wars tho.
I think it’s important to note that Anakin was jealous and thought Obi-Won and Padme had feelings for each other. This made him immediately think that Padme intentionally brought Obi-Won with her, and for what other purpose than to kill him
Obi-Wan played right into Palpatines hands. He failed Anakin in every way he possibly could.
Hello there!
Anakin did nothing wrong
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Anakin was a crybaby bish🙃🙃
He does have them emo vibes 😛
The sith were the commies of star wars and i just dont get down like that.