Why Anakin's Dark Robes & Lightsaber Were HUGELY Offensive to the Jedi Council - Star Wars Explained
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Anakin: *breathes*
Jedi council: “and I took that personally”
Forreal tho
Mostly Mace Window...or was that Windex...though.
@@whitewolf3051 Mace out-da-windu
@@Kebab136😂😂
*Anakin exist*
The Jedi Council: “And I took that personally.”
Maybe if they had trusted Anakin, and sat down to talk to him like a reasonable individual, the destruction could have been avoided.
“A jedi’s mind should not be on combat”
*willingly includes themselves in wars and become war generals and throws their young adult and children into the line of fire*
A long way from “keepers of the peace”
More to that: Light Sabre is not merely intended to be your protector, like a shield from the blaster fire - that's only an option. The main goal of Light Sabre is to be an instrument of quick death. That part about light sabers not being designed for combat is dubious and contradictive.
Could they ever have considered that black just looks good? and it matches everything? I wear a lot of black because I like the way it looks. They seem like the type of people who would assume all goths are always depressed or that metalheads are satanists lol.
I find it funny that the jedi preach about the lighsaber not being mment for war but most of their history is them being at war
They could not handle the drip
The Jedi Council should have taken their own advice, “Fear only breeds more fear, Distrust only breeds more distrust.”
Yeah. it always bugged me: how could "wisest men" in the galaxy be so stupid. They have practically engineered their own monster, the worst fear of Jedi order. I think this entire story about Anakin's betrayal is very poorly written: too plain, practically grade A stupid at times. For example, if an adult Jedi, arrogant and quick action fighter with many victories, a young and powerful man with ambitions figured out what Palpatine actually was a Sith Lord, the wannabe emperor should fall on the floor right there at that very moment, swiftly cut into several screaming pieces: "thank you very much, no time to waste, no need to share that honor with anyone else, that will bring me the trust of the council". And later it was absolutely, crystally clear that Palpatine is using Anakin for his own agenda -- same prescription, same reason: Anakin was way too tough to just obey that dumb psychological pressure.
@@igormarkov1529 It's actually brilliantly written. Anakin was what most Jedi SHOULD have been in that time period, putting the safety of others over the rules of the code. The Jedi weren't just arrogant, they were complacent. Anakin was a dreamer, he wanted to use his abilities to make the Galaxy a better place, he wanted to end slavery, but thanks to Papa Palpatine none of that happened.
The Jedi were also known hypocrites, they follow their code ONLY when it suits them. So fearing Anakin is honestly on par for their general lack of self awareness.
@@megaman37456 And they didn't care that others were taught those infamous fighting forms. Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, Quinlan Vos, Windu, Yoda etc...
I agree. Watching the prequels you see just how much the Jedi failed Anakin in multiple ways and levels.
True. Instead, they spent too much time getting high off of their own farts and called it "wisdom".
For guys that pursue peace in all things they sure get offended a whole lot.
This is too real to today
I've always kind of figured that any use of foreshadowing or symbolism was more from the directors than, say, the Jedi's actual attitudes about something they might see as so superficial. I wasn't thinking there was a lot more in-character about Anakin's choice of darker browns in robes to begin with than really, he started out as a kid mechanic and still does his own wrenching and stuff. and that can just be more practical.
(Also, really I was a tad surprised to see Obi-Wan's desert garb was actually part of 'official Jedi uniform' rather than 'Typical Tatooine desert clothes to blend in there with' in the first place, when Phantom Menace came out. :) )
So the Jedi were Twitter activists, makes sense.
Sounds VERY familiar 😅
I mean look at any major religion. They are always clutching their pearls over something or complaining about something other people do that has no effect on their lives. This seems like a common feature for organizations that pursue "peace". It seems like they are really just looking for a form of control
You know it's easy to see why anakin turned. Palpatine kissed his ass while the jedi constantly disrespected him. Then the jedi tell him to just let padme die while palp says there is a way to save her.
There is that, and Anakin never being able to let go, which means his own ego was more important... which lead to attachment for Palpy to exploit.
Yoda never told Anakin 2 let padme “die” he was telling him 2 train himself 2 “let go” u must master your emotions b4 you can master anything else.
@@Kageofyoutube Well, there's how you indicate you never actually paid attention to what yoda said.
Yoda gave no advice whatsoever for how to deal with the visions, which is what Anakin was asking about. Anakin was asking 'how do I act in light of these visions' and Yoda gave him some philosophical nonsense about 'letting go', chastising him for caring and, put bluntly, doing NOTHING to help with the situation.Anakin wasn't asking about 'mastery' of anything.
Yoda: “Premonitions, premonitions. These visions you have…”
Anakin Skywalker: “They are of pain, suffering. Death.“
Yoda: “Yourself you speak of, or someone you know?”
Anakin Skywalker: “Someone.”
Yoda: “Close to you?”
Anakin Skywalker: "Yes.”
Yoda: “Careful you must be when sensing the future Anakin. The fear of loss is a path to the dark side.”
Anakin Skywalker: “I won’t let these visions come true, Master Yoda.”
Yoda: “Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed that is.”
Anakin Skywalker: “What must I do, Master Yoda?”
Yoda: “Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.”
Quite literally, this conversation goes 'You have premonitions?'
'they are of death, master'
'who?'
'Someone I care for'
'your fear is bad, you should not take premonition to heart'
'I want to do something about them, to prevent it from happening'
'Death is natural, be happy that people die, or you are a greedy boy'
'what shoud I do to stop them from coming true?'
'Nothing. You should simply not try'
Is it any goddamn wonder Anakin went dark? He reached out for help and was given a holier than thou lecture that didn't even address the present problem. Yoda has the stupidity to tell Anakin that feelings are bad and that he is wrong for having feelings. Yoda then turns around and PULLS THE SAME CRAP with Luke, proving he has not learned his lesson, and was even so callous as to write off Luke and go 'well, Leia is still around, we'll just use her'. Yoda is not a wise individual. He's got the 'I'm the oldest and most respected, therefore I am right' ivory tower problem, multiplied by his own lifespan and resulting utter detachment from the condition of regular mortals.
@@jtnachos16 I mean that’s YOUR interpretation. Yoda can’t control that Anakin is so emotional, he gave him honest advice but Anakin interpreted it the wrong way same as you just did. At the end of the day is all abt your own perspective on wat yoda rlly meant.
@@KageofyoutubeI like the casual insulting hypocrisy here of 'your interpretation', then saying I 'interpreted it the wrong way'. If it can be interpreted multiple ways, then there IS no wrong way. There is just a different interpretation from the common one.
It was not 'honest advice'. It was a generic moral lesson that had nothing to do with the present situation. Yoda gave vague, dogmatic comments that didn't in any way address Anakin's problems. That isn't 'my interpretation', that is literally HIS WORDS in the CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION. Anakin was hoping for assistance in stopping the vision, not asking for generic self-help advice, jedi-dogma flavored.
Yoda at no point asked 'how detailed are these visions' or 'what do you think we could do about these visions'. Yoda never even considered the idea of trying to prevent the vision first and working on the emotional aspect later. He instead declared that Anakin's feelings were wrong, and provided no actual help. He didn't even give a 'the future is always changing' comment. He treated the ENTIRE SITUATION like the individual in question was ALREADY DEAD. Like Anakin was asking how to deal with grief, instead of asking for help with saving a life. Even if he thought Anakin was referring to Obi-wan, that would still be a case of 'we should message obi-wan, let him know his padawan is having premonitions of his death, so he should be careful'.
Yoda did the equivalent of telling a depressed person they should just not be depressed anymore, and insulting them for being depressed in the first place.
It boggles the mind that ANYONE thinks that Yoda gave good advice there. With outside context, the general idea is solid in theory,a as a general statement. However, with that same context it's also extremely obvious that advice was beyond unhelpful and, truthfully, counterprodcutive in the extreme in that circumstance. Quite bluntly, it should have been EXCEEDINGLY obvious to Yoda, even without the force, that Anakin was in the midst of a mental breakdown over the issue. Instead of offering help he goes 'get over it, you are fail for this even being a problem in the first place'.
Interesting that luke also chose black robes after becoming a proper jedi under yoda
Yoda: Familiar you look. Younglins I will not train.
I was thinking that to
It always seemed weird to me how seemingly nobody questioned that back in the day, but I remember watching the film and being taken pretty aback by this new, no-nonsense image and approach.
it runs in the family. that’s it.
He knew he was going to war
The Jedi Council rejected Anakin because he represents something that they subconsciously didn’t want. “Change” The Jedi had become too attached to the way things were. Which is ironic because Jedi are supposed to detach themselves from any emotions or feelings.
Well said
The Jedi were weirdos
They abucted children.
In fairness, before the Jedi became the way they were their order was creating Sith every other weekend.
No wonder.
They never taught true love and empathy.
Validating the chosen one would confirm the return of the sith which would call into question their ability to use the force effectively which could mean the downfall of the republic. It's like a whole thing
Jedi council:
“Criticize Anakin for making a hilt more suited for war and fighting”
Also Jedi council:
“Draft Jedi into war”
also lightsaber: literally a laser sabre, a fucking sword as destructive as possible..
what do they want one of em weapons that just point at the wielder?
I think it’s kind of hypocritical for the Jedi to judge Anakin’s clothing and lightsaber style aligned more for battle when they are in a freaking war. How can you expect to win the war when you don’t fully commit and more worried about things like customs vs practicality.
Well, if you think about it from the Council's perspective, they're explicilty "Keepers of the peace, not soldiers" as Mace Windu told ol Papa Palps before the war broke out. Something they'd be weary about is losing what it meant to be a Jedi in the larger picture. They also had to adjust to their roles as Generals in a war and probably considered that after the fighting was over, they'd transition back to their more traditional roles. Anakin was keeping with the times and being that most famous Jedi in the Order, it'd make sense that younger padawans and Knights would look to Anakin and see him as the "model Jedi" for the times they lived in. But in reality, the Jedi were too rigid in their approach to what was going on around them, namely Palpatine was clouding their ability to see what his plans were bringing about and his focus on defeating them with their so called "Chosen One."
Hell, with Maul revealing that the Sith were still around even after 1000 years or so, that should have been the wake up call to the Council to start doing research and having their Order start learning to be ready for an inevitable confrontation with the Dark Side users, while still carrying out their day-to-day routines of being advisors, peace keepers, and generally "hero-ing" around the galaxy.
@@mrbl220 There lies the problem, they should not have entered the war. They can’t be peace keepers while at the same time being generals. Generals have to make harsh decisions, decisions that go against their own philosophies and doctrines in order to win. The council was right fear that the war will change the Jedi who participate, it will leave mental scars that will never go away experience emotions such loss or anger that could lead to the dark side. The wars have caused many jedi to lose their way such as Krell, Barris, Vos and ultimately Anakin.
@@SoloClassics You're definitely right on the fact that the Jedi shouldn't have entered the war. But that was also Palpatine's plan to twist and weaken the Order, hence why Order 66 worked out in his favor. The Jedi were stressed and stretched to their limits and were prime to be betrayed by their clone troopers. That's what makes the fall of the Order so particularly terrible to see. They were narrow in their views and could only really focus on what was going on in front of them, as opposed to being their usual "stretch out with your feelings and see what else is going on" type of mindsets. One of the highlights of Palpatine being the remaining Sith, meant that the Dark Side of the Force was concentrated in him, while the light side was...for lack of a better term, diluted with so many Light side users. This is also why Sheev bested Yoda, who we can kind of place the blame for the fall of the Jedi Order on. He was 800 years old. He saw FAR more in his lifetime and settled the order into the state of peaceful guardians and less ready to react to the chaos that takes place in the larger galaxy.
Meanwhile the Sith were planning their revenge through those 1000 years, picking and training those who would secretly carry the Grand Plan forward through the ages until the time was right to defeat their spiritual foes.
Wasn’t the whole reason Palpatine won because they fully committed to the war?
@@JakeTylenol I wouldn’t say it was because they were fully committed but because they were distracted which lead to Palp’s ultimate victory. The War had gave the Jedi Tunnel vision, as a collective they weren’t able to see the forest past the trees, the degradation of their order until it was too late by Revenge of the Sith.
They really got mad at Anakin for wearing more combat ready clothes, designing a lightsaber to actually be built for battles, and got mad when he adopted a lightsaber form to actually win battles when Anakin was the Republic’s TOP GENERAL. At some point Anakin should’ve just stood up and said “stop having a skill issue, ok?”
honestly were i a jedi , living at even the height of galactic peace , i'd still design my lightsaber to be a perfect weapon. it is a weapon , and even if i only ever pull it out one time in my life i don't want it to be half ass as a weapon. i want it to function 100% as the deadly weapon it is , and not a decoration piece that i'm gonna wind up fumbling around with uncomfortably. if it's gonna hang on my hip ready to use , it is gonna be the most functional weapon it can be. otherwise it might as well be hanging on a wall some where.
@@DenverStarkey why stop there? Get a set of Beskar armor if you could since it’s useful against both lightsaber strikes and blaster fire, making it ideal to wear either beneath your robes or in combination with them to protect you properly. Granted, unless you’re Mandalorian, you’re probably not getting beskar, but in theory the better armors in the series should do.
@@jeremyrossi2716 true but beskar is a rare metal. Would likely be hard for even the grandmaster of the order to obtain.
Bc they begrudgingly joined the war effort when they’re not soldiers. It was a close call. They didn’t want to lose themselves. Anakin was committing war crimes and using extreme tactics to win a war they weren’t even meant to “win”
@@DenverStarkeypretty much. Its the same with firearms and ppls refusal to learn how to handle a firearm in a free society where theres a high chance you might get mugged or attacked. You never want to have to pull out a gun and use it but there's always the chance you may have to so you want a functioning firearm and proper knowledge of it. To me its completely asinine to live in free society and refuse to learn how to handle a firearm.
Basically the Jedi order was goth-phobic. Not really surprised by that 😂
Lol
Yeah, especially the Jedi Council, annoying selfish old gas factories. No kidding they would be closed to new and fun ways to enjoy life. :-)
@@igormarkov1529 don't forget how dogmatic the council was. At least the sith know how to party. 😆👍
"phobic"
“IT’S NOT A PHASE OBI-WAN, IT’S WHO I AM”
They were mad that Anakin was appropriating Sith culture.
Exactly! That's why Revan kept some of his styles to himself.
Meanwhile Palpatine was flexing Sith all over his office
@@Jdp_1597 You have no idea if you look really close in the comics there were Sith sculptures, glass art, vases, hell even a mural that might have represented Darth Revan. And how can we all forget the literal torture lab underneath the building? I swear these bastards were blind to the literal devil in their house!!
@@karenbaldwin2867well you forget the Jedi temple is sitting on top of a Sith temple.
@@evos469 That one was always the Jedi’s dirty little secret, the council tried like hell to keep everybody away from that one. Although sidious tried like hell to get in there without anybody noticing for years before the end of clone wars, hell he had Darth Vader rip through the library floor to the secret tunnel underneath I always wondered if the librarian ever knew about the temple? Probably not those bastards on the council always were way too big on secrets.
Anakin was always gonna be different from all the Jedi, where the Jedi failed was instead of having faith in him and trusting him they condemned him for being different.
and they were right in the long run since he lied, deceived and acted in a way unbecoming of a jedi. Their faith would have been met with disappointment and failure.
@@scottb3034They weren't right. They made themselves right by contorting their fears into reality. Self fulfilling prophecy.
@@scottb3034oh kinda like how old Ben never told Luke about how he cut off his fathers limbs and left him for dead in a volcano?
Or how he popped out of hiding at the wrong time and got his mom killed?
Or how about how he and his hypocritical order handed anakin to palpatine on a silver platter?
@@yigitorhan7654 No, they were just plain right. Anakin did nothing to prove that their claims about his future and his danger was misplaced. He was always going to fall in love with Padme, marry her and hide it from them. He was always going to confide in Palpatine in some way and he was always going to react the way he did to the Tusken Raiders and not tell the Jedi.
Yoda was completely, unsurprisingly right in TPM.
@@CBRHurricane6 Well, besides burying the lead there (Kenobi did it for a reason...such as murdering children, committing war crimes, slaughtering foreign leaders, etc.), Ben didn't lie or deceive Luke. He said he was a great pilot, warrior and friend of his and that he was a Jedi. The only deceitful thing--which wasn't really deceitful since we know what Anakin thought of his son when he discovered his existence--was when he mentioned Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber. Oh and the "Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father" is not wrong as Vader is considered a different entity in and out of Star Wars. And something Kenobi believed.
Are you talking about Kenobi revealing himself as Vader was becoming enraged and poised to choke Padme anyway and saved her life because he knocked sense into Anakin before he choked too long? (She died because Anakin was not Anakin anymore and it was obvious before Kenobi even revealed himself hence "Obi-Wan was right, you've changed. You are going down a path I cannot follow.") It is ludicrous and dumbfounding how far you are willing to go to pin anything on anyone else but Anakin Skywalker who was the architect of his own pain, by his own admission.
Handed him on a silver platter to Palpatine? You mean the palpatine that knew how to read Anakin like a book and play on his anxieties and had been doing that to pretty much everyone he encountered. You mean when Anakin didn't even want to leave the Order or the Jedi and still revered them up until he was forced to go against them because he killed Mace because of his attachment and secret marriage to Padme (which is the whole reason the Jedi are against attachments and conditional love...because you will choose them over the galaxy and do screwed up crap like Anakin did). Anakin hated Palpatine and wanted nothing to do with him once he knew he was a Sith but he was cornered by the stupid, poor choices he made and spitting in the face of the Jedi Code....so yeah the Jedi were right.
Anakin was always closer to the darkside, makes sense if we use the Legends explanation of his birth.
Plaugeis and Palpatine tried to outwrestle the Force and in retaliation the Force created Anakin to combat them,fight fire with fire and give them what they wanted
And the sith burned for it.
@@ericschuller908everyone burned for it!
@@DJSockmonkeyMusic The force got tired of everyone's shit
Isn't it nice how the Younglings raised from infancy to be "proper Jedi" were teasing Anakin about being a slave? The pressing issue for the Council to address was perhaps not so much what Anakin was wearing or doing, but the fact that their other students, who had received *years* of careful conditioning and training, were so easily overcome by negative emotions like jealousy, envy and resentment. That, rather than show compassion and understanding, they *bullied* their peer. Surely that was an "oopsy" that the Masters needed to address?
The Masters looked at Anakin with his robes and techniques and ideas and worried about him, like a teacher 20 years ago worrying that the kid who started wearing trench coats to school every day would come in one morning and kill everyone. And to be fair, that's exactly what Anakin did. That said, the Masters didn't seem to make any special effort to address his peer relationships or the shitty behaviour of their perfect little students (seriously - being bullied about being a slave is what you experience when you start as a Sith Initiate in Star Wars The Old Republic). They just met and wrung their hands while mumbling about how he never should have been trained in the first place.
Seems like it was indeed time for the Jedi Order to go away, or to at least undergo serious reform.
I know devil's in the details an' all, but honestly! I feel many, especially the Jedi Council, placed too much stock into even little things and made too big a deal about them. They became so dogmatic, so arrogant, so self-righteous and certain in themselves as to what the Jedi Order and their code should be about that they became rigid and inflexible. Their ways became equally stale and obsolete in certain regards.
It makes sense for younger Jedi to be held to uniformity, but upon reaching the rank of Padawan it's perfectly fair for a Jedi to express themselves more individually and even more culturally and/or personally.
Yes, Anakin was older than they traditionally allowed, but they treated him unfairly while also holding him to unfair expectations. For that matter, Obi-wan was just not the teacher Anakin needed; he only became Anakin's master per the dying request of his own.
As for the choice of lightsaber combat, it should be entirely one's own decision as to what style they practice and study w/o being judged for it. Like how it is one's decision as to what kind of skill and/or art one learns, based on personal preference as well whatever one finds practical and works for them. Dooku devoted himself to mastering Makashi becuz of his respect for and enjoyment of, what he deemed, true lightsaber combat even tho he became biased and bigoted about lightsaber combat in general.
Anakin's chosen style of Form V wasn't just about getting back at Dooku, it was about growth and mastering his skill in the form and all its variants and disciplines. It was made evident every time he clashed with Dooku that he was growing stronger and more skilled, making it evident that he would eventually best and defeat the count.
Altho Anakin wore darker variations of the tradition Jedi attire, it was still recognizably Jedi. Yes, it made him stand out, but it was simply personal expression when it came down to it. Sure, Anakin wore darker robes as a passive form of rebellion, but he was an adolescent boy (all teenagers go through that stage of life) and how he was treated by both his peers and elders didn't help.
Hey, it ain't Anakin's fault that not only is he better than all the padawans, but he's got the most drip compared to even the Jedi council.
I've always said that it was the leash they had on Anakin that became the noose to the Jedi and the Republic. The tighter the grip you have on someone the more likely it is that they turn on you. Had they allowed Anakin to be more open they wouldn't he wouldn't have had the chance to get blinded by fear of loss.
Exactly.
how fitting, that later his daughter strangles Jabba with the chains he had bound her with.
The tighter you hold your grip the more galaxies will slip through your fingers
Indeed. Overbearingness often breeds more rebellion.
(This also reminded me of Leia's statement: "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." If my memory is correct, she said this to Grand Moff Tarkin when she was being interrogated aboard the Death Star.)
Ive always loved the irony of the clone wars era jedi. They preach to Anakin that they sense great fear in him, and that fear leads to the dark side. But arguably their fear of him, his abilities, what he represents, in addition to their inflexibility and lack of acceptance, drove him to become Darth Vader.
Fear leads to the dark side indeed, but in this case, it was the fears of the council that led to their near-extinction
Literally who expresses fear of him. What are you talking about
@@vintifada7115with how anakin acts they fear him turning to the dark side with his potential and also they didnt want to acknowledge the sith coming back at least in TPM so if anakin was to bring balance the only other party he could be destroying or changing was the jedi and they dont like change
@@B3an01
You’re just repeating what he said. I understand what’s going on.
I mean to say when did they express fear of him, when did they express they don’t like change, and when did they not acknowledge the sith came back that wasn’t in that immediate first scene. 1000 years is a long time you’d doubt it too if I was like “master the black plague and jousting had returned.” Yoda and Mace talk about it whether it was the apprentice or master at the end of TPM. They’re with it.
You or whoever you got these takes from must really hate religion or authority figures. You’re not supposed to have these takes as far as artist’s intention goes and it’s not backed up by evidence either. You’re just filling in gaps you imagine are there
i love how the council are like "we can't take this kid in cause he's too old and we won't be able to shape him into a perfect jedi" and then we immediately hear about how all the younglings were total assholes to him, teasing him for being a slave. LIKE PERFECT JEDI. Great school ya got there, geniuses, no wonder you fell xD
Windu: "I find your dark robes offensive"
Anakin: "I find your pink lightsaber offensive"
How could the Jedi believe the Sith always had eyes on Anakin when the Jedi were so blinded in the belief that the Sith were vanquished for good?
Perhaps you missed the part where Darth Mual dueled Qui-jon just before Anikin reach Corosant?
I know no limbs were lost but the sith were a known threat long before Anikin started his training.
@@brianpembrook9164even after that fight they questioned the return of the sith. "I do not believe the sith could have returned without us knowing."
"The sith have been extinct for millennium"
@@brianpembrook9164 They made it very clear that even if a Sith Lord stood right in front of them, they would fail to realize it.
And I mean, VERY clear. :P
@@josephcasias9303 Except the part where mace and yoda acknowledged the Sith returned and wondered if the master or apprentice was killed.
"There's no doubt the mysterious warrior was a Sith".
so no, they didn't question the return.
@@scottb3034 they did question it in the beginning. Rewatch the film. It's that simple. Doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge it later.
"the council was always worried Anakin turning to the dark side" 😂😂...well maybe u should not piss him off as much and if they're gonna let him get away with certain things and others not than that's their fault. You can't tell me at least Yoda and mace didn't sense the massacre of the sand ppl and Padme...or at least that something was hella wrong but they let it slide.i cry when I think about how good Qui Gon would've trained Anakin 😭 would've been there for anything,father figure,not get mad at him in fact encourage him to be more himself and to be the chosen one. Anakins cockiness and attitude would've been humbled with qui Gon also pulling his leash...I don't see Anakin talking back to Qui Gon like in attack of the clones to obi wan 😳
They did sense it and even worse in Legends he loses control again and they sense it and make excuses. He is clearly traumatized and they kept him out there. They had to keep their best weapon out there.
@@TaraCicora yea those were the dark horse comics of the early 00's if I remember correctly,and yea ik they kinda had to do what they had to. They should've known that for sure not making him master would piss him off tho. But I also agree they couldn't just let him do whatever the hell he wanted too 😂
I have been of the opinion ever since the episode 4 ending, that ghost!Anakin is at balance in himself. He is the Anakin who came back to the Light right before his death, Vader is a part of him, but does not dominate him. As of episode 5, I tend to agree with the majority of opinions saying he has taken the role of the Father. He has balance, he can embody Light, he can embody Dark, but he has control. When the root of Ahsoka's issues finally were said, he could be Vader so that she could face her trauma, but when she chose life, he could be Anakin again, showing Vader is not in control, but is a tool in how he interacts with the Force.
Revision: In the Ahsoka finale, he has his over-robe closed, but the neckline of the garments under it are dark. I think that means even with the brown outer robe, he is being himself.
I love the entire rise/fall/redemption story of Anakin. He’s the quintessential “full circle”!
Of course, he was resposible for million of deaths before he completed such circle, not to mention killing children. .
@@tureytayno3154That one perticular youngling had it coming.
His posh English accent would've sent anyone of.
Are you calling Anakin thick?
It's great just how much more context to how troubled & unstable Anikin was you get from the extended lore. Not just this, his mom's death & his fear of losing Padme, but his personal grudges with Dooku & Ventress, his desperation to prove himself as the chosen one causing him to do everything in his power to remain a part of the Jedi, even though it wasn't for him & how close he got to Ahsoka before she turned on & left the Jedi, all the while being so easily manipulated by Sidious & the council being certain that he was a potential problem, but never quite sure how to handle it, since they were trained from toddlers to not be anything like he was, and so couldn't empathize with him normally.
It would have been hilarious if he quit being a Jedi, married Padme and get employed in Quat driveyards or something.
They council had problems too. The point was never to say raising Jedi from young ages was so they were never going to have problems just that they have the best tools to overcome those problems. Example: We see Yoda’s arc confronting his own dark feelings and overcoming them. Jedi in the prequels as a general rule are characters who’ve gone through their own journey and overcome their own “dark side” if you will
I bet Windu has to be livid not only seeing Anakin actually fulfilling the role of the chosen one as a Jedi Master but he also finished Ahsoka's training making her a Jedi Knight. 😂
Why would he be livid?
@@joncook7510
This is their headcanon that they don’t know is headcanon. Something about Mace thinking he himself was the chosen one? It’s the silliest thing
It just makes me laugh. The Jedi could have saved their order by instead of ignoring Anakin's pain and trauma, got him some proper therapy to deal with it as well as how to properly process emotions he clearly possessed and when he started having visions of his mother dying, send out a master like Vos to do a quick check and make sure she is okay or rescue her if she is in danger. That would have been enough to sway Anakin in to trusting the council.
Would have been so easy for them too. But no, instead they figured that 'nooo, just let your mother die in slavery for all you know, and numb your mind to feelings of fear, uncertainty and sadness like the moronic mindless pawn we want you to be' was a better answer.
Thank the Makers the Jedi Council knows best. You'd think their decisions are bound to lead to trouble.
Yes, the Jedi Council does know best considering they were right about basically everything. But i know you are a hater. Just bad mouthing them everywhere. @@jessiehogue.
@@scottb3034 I'd humor you if it was worth it, but honestly, I just feel sorry for you. Love you too.
@@jessiehogue. Spoken like a true person with no conviction for what they believe in on this matter. Typical. Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for yourself that you don't believe in your stance enough to back it up. That actually is fitting for someone that sees Anakin as solely the victim and the Jedi at full fault.
@@scottb3034 Don't worry, I'm sure there's hope for you down the line. Keep believing.
Anakin wearing dark robes concerns the council. Ahsoka dressing like a harlot not concerning.🤔
And she was a good friend
😂
Aayla’s a better example (in more ways than one)
@@JoetinoAayla is way more attractive
Oh come on. Quinlan Vos and Master Luminara wore black, too.
I've always had respect for Anakin and his desire to stand out.
Thank God when Luke took over he had the sense to throw these rules out (in legends at least).
What a bunch of prissies.
The "rules" the video narrator describes never existed. He made them up
In retrospect anakin probably found it offensive the jedi order didnt free his mom from slavery sooo. I can see him not givong a damn about their feelings.
Coming out of the OT, it might be shocking to learn that Luke Skywalker's master jedi clothes would have been pretty taboo to the council.
Something I find rarely gets brought up in deep talks, but always comes up in surface-level discussion re: the Jedi Council failing at every single turn to support him, is the likelihood that there were a few masters who looked at the prophecy "The Chosen One will bring balance to the Force," squinted at it, and got spooked because of the possibility of the prophecy being literal, while knowing that the Sith are currently extinct (or rather, defunct at least.)
LOL They were so concerned about Anakin learning dueling techniques yet every time they had a tough mission involving Dooku/Maul/Ventress/Grievous, they would send him no questions asked.
I’m surprised the council didn’t rag more on Mace Windu using a variation of Form 7… yeah Anakin built a lightsaber for war, and different clothing. While, you have one of your top masters utilizing the dark side of the force.
Anakin became more than a Jedi. More than a master. He fulfilled his true prophecy. He became a god. He became the Father of Balance.
The Jedi of the Galactic Republic bringing babies in the Jedi Order against their will is messed up. Thankfully Luke’s new Jedi Order in Legends no longer did that.
“So how do we recruit more members? Is this a family trade type deal or Amish type deal?”
“No we’re celibates. We -groom- recruit children!”
_Anakin’s saber ignites_
It was a mercy killing for the younglings 😔
@@xostler you may have single handedly made me actually like Anakin by simply pointing out facts that are horrible about the Jedi Order….
@@terrynordman7393 now after saying that my head cannon is when Anakin looks back at the camera with Sith hate eyes it’s because the Jedi became a bunch of kiddofiles. Anakin saw some shit that confirmed all of his bad feelings of the Jedi order.
Legends for life! My boy, Jaden Korr got recruited as a teen-ager, yo!
Anakin: breathes**
The Jedi council: you know I find it funny how…..
Anakin was no less a slave under the jedi than he was under Watto. Gives whole new meaning to them not giving him the rank of "master"
I did bring this up in a video once that Anakin was a slave up till his death, from watto, to the jedi and even the sith.
@@BanishedSilentShadow3318 yes exactly, which makes his story even more tragic.
Perfect Dooku made similar fashion statements as well. He wore a cape, even as a Jedi. Perhaps he too let his rebellious nature shine through.
I agree about Anakin being one to flaunt tradition. I like the dark robes he had in Ahsoka. To me it means he found a balance between his light and dark sides and came to peace with who he is and is not afraid to wear what makes him who he is.
Another great VOD. The arrogance of the Jedi Council during this period can likely be the subject of many VODs. Such as looking at each member during this period and outlining their thoughts and feelings on the Order, war, Anakin, general background history, etc. Perhaps even looking at the council before Geonosis and after. This understanding does give perspective on many eventual outcomes.
I view the swordart very differently. He saw his own weakness in his swordstyle and changed directions in order to not let it happen again. All of the distrust and pecking is really what turned him towards darkness.
Jedi Council: you may now choose your own clothes
Anakin *chooses own clothes*
Jedi council *surprised pikatchu face*
It must be said, your continued dedication to producing Star Wars content is second to few, if any.
The Force is with him. :-)
He's basically Jedi goth 😂
Anakin came from a plant with two suns, so wearing dark clothes to absorb more heat that he was used to
😂 it's not scene, I'm just cold
The Jedi were gardeners in a war.
Anakin became the warrior in a garden.
"Hey, that chosen one guy, let's refuse him outright from day one, purely because he has his own thoughts. Fine, we'll take him, but make sure he knows it was begrudgingly. Let's alienate and ostracize him constantly. Let's make sure he knows he'll never be welcome, and that he seems more like a darksider than one of us."
Anakin: turns
Council: "wait, you weren't supposed to do that!"
Anakin is hardly the only Jedi to wear dark clothing or use form 5. I feel like the Jedi council just needs something to complain about.
Dukoo and anikan were alike they both chose to focus on saber combat based forms but dukoo chose to cut around your defenses while anikan decided to smash through
Why didn't Yoda have an issue with Luke wearing black
It is that very notion of the Jedi Council's that concerned me in the first place - "The Sith are gone", the Sith are never truly gone. They represent something that exists in all living beings, and anyone, even a Jedi can fall victim too. They should never assume such a dangerous notion.
So the Jedi Order was worried that he was not brainwashed as a child soldier so easily
i just think anakin chooses the colours because he liked it, there should be no meaning behind that, it was just what he liked.
people are allways like look behind a meaning of everything when there really is nothing.
george lucas said once, the colour anakin choose was his own because he liked it, on his home planet everything has bright colours so he chooses darker ones because he don`t liked too be constantly reminded what happend in his past as a slave. simple as that.
what the jedi where thinking about that doesn`t matter too anakin.
1. The main point here is a stretch; Anakin is mostly wearing brown and reddish-brown. Only the leather outergarment and boots are black in Episode III.
2. You didn't give a single source for any of this. The Jedi Council doesn't care what people wear, and the idea that they would seems to be something you or some other fanfic type made up. Obi-Wan wore *actual armor* during the war and clearly incurred no disapproval because of this; do you seriously expect anyone to believe the *color* would be the determining factor for a bunch of monks with super powers? Grow up, man...that's ridiculous
3. Your points about lightsaber forms being condemned for being for saber-to-saber combat make no sense; the Jedi routinely train in this form of combat with *one another*, so there's no way forms effective for this would be in any way out of place! [Also, the form names and descriptions are silly EU carryovers that bear little or no correlation to the actual fight sequences in the films.]
I feel like a master should have witnessed/sensed the ego and other ugly feelings between Ani and the others. Should have taken action on it. I wonder why they'd let him act that way instead of squashing it, or at least letting a Counciler know. just a quick, "Sensing some nasty sh** off that one, just... heads up."
That also reminds me of this Yoda poem I came up with yesterday.
“In moderation, must the dark side be used. But give in, you shall not.”
I know it doesn’t seem like something Yoda would say. But it’s from reality, where everything is not so black and white.
If only the old republic had a human resources department. Anakin would've had a great lawsuit against the Jedi Council and gotten the vindication he both wanted and needed the entire time he put up with their abuse and unfair treatment, it definitely would've given him some incentive to not turn over to the dark side.
Why would him suing the Jedi council not make him turn to the dark side? 💀
@@abirmawi2808 Because if other people besides Palpatine believed the Jedi wronged Anakin and supported him, Palpatine wouldn't be the only person that was on Anakin's side. The biggest reason Anakin chose the dark side was because after his mom died, he felt Palpatine was the only person who cared about him and was on his side. If there were more people on his side during this situation he would've felt vindicated rather than frustrated. Getting justice in the people's court vs. growing more & more resentment until the last straw breaks.
It really was the perfect storm for Anakin to become a sith. He was powerful, knew he was the chosen one, folks felt he thought he was better so he then accepted it then believed it. It really only took a small push for him to go down that road. By the time they saw he was training in a style specially for saber combat it was well too late
The simple fact that the duel of fates is the cause of the how anakin became Vader is mind blowing. If quigon was his master throughout his training he wouldn’t have joined the dark side
Love the story of Anakin
Read the canon Comics after Yoda goes into hiding he regrets many things, but two of the biggest things he regrets is letting Palpatine get away and how he was stuck in the old Jedi ways and failed to adapt. It could very much be possible that if Yoda adapted the Jedi to the times, Anakin may never have fallen and many other things may have never happened.
Jedi are hypocrites
Everyone is a hypocrite. It’s impossible to avoid. There’s a good book: “Why everyone (else) is a hypocrite”
He overcompensated with the ego because of his insecurity about being a slave. Other younglings taunting him over it really just set it in motion too cause I remember reading that he was often blamed for stuff he didn't even do. I always blamed the Jedi council in particular for anis fall. Something to note is on tattoine he wore those sandy colors which helped keep heat off and darker colors might actually also function as helpful for him to retain heat better. We know he gets cold easily. The war thing is funny to me since even Lucas noted that often Anakin questioned the war and didn't really enjoy it until later, even getting annoyed at sending the younglings and padawans to war or agricorps. He even said its included in clone wars that was why he started training Ashoka more harshly so that she could survive, unsatisfied with the orders training of her.EDIT: also Anakin was said to be able to hear the force at times or have legit premonitions not the ones palpatine gave him so perhaps it was also the force nudging Anakin to prepare to fight properly. The orders complacency and arrogance is literally why they lost, they isolated him ignored his upbringing, and gaslit him at ever turn. Treating him often as a fuse waiting to blow. Lucas himself stated anakin is the true chosen one and that peace never technically meant him having to be a Jedi.
I think what it was due to so many concerns is that the Jedi Order expected Anakin to be the perfect Jedi they wanted but Anakin could never live up to that in spite of his accomplishments and powerful feats as the Chosen One him wearing black robes was basically raising a middle finger to the order since he made the choice to walk his own path as a person in his own right but this quite funny to me ppl thought Luke would turn to the dark side simply bc he was wearing black also but he never did turn unlike Anakin
Oh, he actually did briefly in Legends
He wore dark colors because tan reminded him of sand and he hates sand lol 😜🤘
You mean Anakin was a regular human being instead of a brainwashed Jedi-Drone? I mean yeah, he was and frankly if they had let him grow up (till 16 at least!) with his mother he might have had the emotional grounding needed - but being the child-snatchers that they are (note: I know that in theory a parent could tell the Jedi to fuck off, but almost nobody ever did!) didn't allow this! Frankly they dug their own grave with their indoctrination of kids who frankly never became well adjusted and grounded people, because a childhood indoctrination does not in any way shape or form truly teach you how to deal with your emotions (which are part of being alive!) - especially if the teachings say "Deny your emotions! Be detached! Bottle it all up!" (A mental health professional would IMHO go nuts reading that, as it's simply wrong!)
cEREMONIAL USE!?
BRUH
They really did just say "These expensive-as-fuck plasma swords are primarily trinkets"
Peace or not, you make a weapon for a purpose and you make sure it can fulfill that purpose
You won't have the chance to prepare when the fight is suddenly here and now
It's not aggressive, it's called being sensible and smart
All I’m gonna says is….geonosis revealed that they were TOO PEACEFUL with how unprepared the Jedi were for actual combat as a whole. They wield a lightsaber and utilize the force for a reason. What good is their to promote “peace” in the galaxy if the Jedi Order massive assault force got mostly wiped out.
As much as the Order would HATE to admit it, Anakin was a huge factor for why the clone wars went as well for them as it did. He is flexible, practical, and confident for good reason.
So yeah he can dress however he wants or use the style that is practical (do you blame him from ditching the other styles when Dooku cut off his hand?) to him.
Nah, they're just jealous he has better drip. 💀
I'm tempted to say that if the Jedi learned from past mistakes and embraced all emotions as tools for good, Anakin could have flourished. Instead, we rarely saw Jedi brave enough to even tap into their inner darkness, like Mace Windu, but that wasn't enough. He was doomed to fall to the dark side from the very start because of their naivete.
I believe anakins choice of his robe and saber at first was genuinely to be more efficient and prepared as a Jedi, but when choosing lighter colors later on it was to actively express the change he made within.
3:58 I suppose there's no single canon answer to this but I thought the idea of jedi garments was NOT to be regognisable but unassuming. Sure in the core worlds they might be recognised but since most of the galaxy wears robes they would mainly blend in.
3:12 Obi-wan: Anakin, remember when I sent you on the campaign on the planet Splooge?
Anakin: Don't remind me.
I wouldn’t wanna be a Jedi or sith if I had the force. You choose to either live a life of service to a weird theocracy or be an evil psychopath. I’d rather just be a bounty hunter and make a lot of money with my skills to live comfortably
nah i dont agree that the clothes were offensive. unorthodox maybe, but if the council cared that much, they would enforce a rule that everyone had to wear traditional jedi robes. Anakin simply wore it because it represented him better, with a little bit of the dark side showing in his clothes
also, in the clone wars almost every jedi wore untraditional style armor in all kinds of colors
Anakin came into the Jedi Order at a time of turmoil, that wasn't his fault at all. The way he was trained was for war by the Clone Wars era. The Council can only fault themselves for that..
It's an insult that because of the diversity of human culture, they went in full reverse to suppress cultural diversity.
Those comic stills from Darkhorse Battle Of Jabiim are still my head canon 20 years later.. and much better comic renderings and likenesses as opposed to the crummy comic renderings today. Shout Jan Duursema.
Does anyone else think that the Jedi Council could have benefitted from a staff psychologist?
Reminds me of the Jackie Chan Adventures episode where Jade got possessed and started wearing black.
It's extremely rich for the council to simultaneously insist that they support diverse cultural expression such as with the mirialans while also insisting upon grabbing initiates before they can possibly be encultured. What does it even mean to have a deep connection to a traditional culture that you were ripped from before you learned to speak?
A couple dark dresses aren't letting you beat the cult allegations, guys.
Jedi Council was as instrumental for Anakin turning to the dark side as much as Palpatine. They sowed the seeds which Palpatine took advantage of.
Hon Solo wore dark and light colored clothes. This showed that he is a foil (not evil, but not conforming to his/her peers on the good side). I think Anakin is very much the same in this way.
This is a btec version of the ‘why palpatine’s lightsaber was offensive to the Jedi’ video
The Council got what they deserved. They ruined the Jedi, then cryed when they got cleansed by the force.
The Jedi order under Yoda’s leadership deserved to fall & videos like this from stupendous wave prove it 🔥
Nobody ever gotta take a shit in the middle of a battle in Star Wars? I call bullshit.
They hold their shit in with The Force.
What episode of the clone wars is when anikan and obi wan kenobi is fighting count dooku
It just seems like he can't do anything right in their eyes so why try.
I'd love to see a series explore Anakin's development between episode 1 and 2
2:51 Oh... that Younglings laser removal shtick was deeper than I thought then x'3
Ever wondered what would have happend if Anakins arm was reattached? Medical tech is pretty advanced. Losing an arm makes one feel violated and incomplete and slighly weaker connection to the force. Had his arm been fixed properly he may never have turned to thr dark side.
I'm no medical doctor or anything, but if i had to guess why they didn't just reattach the lost limbs might likely due to the vains/arteries/ or bones being completely burnt due to the lightsaber strikes.
Thats my guess anyway but I'm sure the other issue is the limb being lost during combat like thrown over a cliff or worse cases... wild life took it
Jedi council is basically the lgbt community