Panasonic S1 vs S1H: Cheaper Is Better?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Feature review & comparison of the Panasonic Lumix S1 & S1H from a video perspective for value, usability, & image quality. And the S1H's V-Log ghosting issue.
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0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Things They Have in Common
1:17 - Screen Comparison
2:18 - Weather Sealing & Photographic Capabilities
2:35 - Optical Low Pass Filter Differences
3:00 - Monitoring & Assist Features
3:18 - Dual Native ISO Comparison
3:52 - Image Quality & Dynamic Range
4:37 - The S1H's Ghosting & Smearing Issues
10:16 - 55Media LUTs for HLG & V-Log
12:52 - Where the S1H Beats the S1
13:45 - Value Comparisons & Feature Differences
14:59 - Both Have Amazing IBIS
15:26 - Audio Differences
16:05 - Top Screen Comparison
16:15 - A Few More Features the S1H Has
17:08 - Which One Should You Buy?
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Funny thing, in 2023 the S1 has most of the features of the S1H now including anamorphic IBIS, 4k 60 at 10 bit and 6k recording. It’s a baby S1H 😃
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Always solid, relevant and clear. I tell myself I don’t have time to watch the full video. Then I watch it twice :-)
Gerald, just a Thanx for all your great output here on TH-cam! 20 year Nikon shooter that bought S1 + Atomos Shinobi. Bit of a learning curve, but the new rig is showing promise. Keep up the Great Work. Bob
I've been waiting for a video like this and I should have known Gerald would be the one to do it. Love this channel
Closer than ever before. Me and my 8 year old did a review of the new update. just like yours, minus the production value, professionalism and accurate info
Can I just say how much I enjoyed hearing you and Dennis have a really substantive (i.e., no bull****) talk about specific technical issues. I know how much of a pain it is to edit something like this (especially when show the specific technical issues like temporal ghosting on-screen) but this level of in-depth geekery is so interesting. At least to me--and probably many others. Nice work and carry on, Gerald!
Incredible video thank you for bringing in perspective from another videographer hearing the conversation between you too helped immensely.
Thanks for informing the community aswell!
Amazing and very precise comparision. It is hard to find such a high quality comparision videos on yt. Great job Gerald ! :)
Thanks Gerald and Dennis! I was hoping for an informed video on this very comparison.. the similarities and differences, the issues, and that price difference! Great video!
Excellent comparison, as always. Thanks Gerald!
The video I've been waiting for! Thank you soooo much!!
!!!! this answers about all my questions between these two. !!!! I have been waiting to pull the trigger on an S1 for about 2 mo because my questions over whether or not to spend the xtra cash on the S1H have not, up to now, been answered. Thanks!!!
What is your decision?
Awesome quality information on your channel! I like the interview part, too, it adds really up...
Gerald, really appreciate the in depth comparison and honest look at things! I actually just bought the S1H a week ago as an upgrade from my GH5! I think the S1H does a great job of having everything one would need to just pick it up and film without adding extra accessories.
Killer video as always my man! Your ability to convey vast multitudes of technical data in an efficient and intelligible manner continues to astound, entertain, and inform me.
Excellent review and good on you for incorporating a phone interview to fill the gaps of experience you didn't have. You put a lot of work into these reviews. Terrific! Your graded S1H footage looks great, too.
As always, Gerald, your review is incredible. Well, undone!
Great comparison as always Gerald!
Great comparison Gerald, thanks for the video 👍🙏
Wow, what an awesome video. Really went through it all. Thanks 😊
Great video Gerald! I’m and S1 shooter (and Gh5). The ONE THING I miss on the S1 is synchro scan. I shoot events with lots of LEDs and projectors and having synchro scan on the GH5 has saved me from huge amounts of banding in my footage. Holding out for a firmware update!
I have used this on my gh4 for years. Is there still no syncro scan in 2022?
Dennis is awesome! Great filmmaker, person, and so knowledgeable about these camera systems
You're just freaking amazing! Thanks for all the effort and fabulous content!
Thank you for the clinical comparison and for the luts suggestion
Great video! As always! Thanks a lot, Gerald!
I have been waiting for this video!!!!
great video as always Gerald!
It is best video to explain specification of both the camera, great job, you have explained perfectly .👌.
Great overview. Thanks. Had to laugh when the London footage tracked a friend of mine crossing the road :)
Great to see you compare these, I got to use the S1 a few weeks back and it was a beast. Think I had the 35mm sigma on board and man it was heavy. My hand started to ache after a short time.
I moved to the Fuji GFX100 was found ot lighter 🤔. Would love the S1 my self tbh.
Okay. Someone needs to start making DEEZ LUTS -t-shirts.
That is all.
GOT EM!
Wow that footage looks beautiful.
This was just what I wanted to see! It seems like I'm going for an S1 + V-Log update in the end
super clean audio my G
Thankyou for doing this as im on the precipice of buying an S1H,shooting music videos in NewZealand and im just weighing up my choices.
Thanks for taking the time to create this video! lovely comparison between both cameras. Although I'm leaning towards the S1 for the price point. BandH has sales form time to time that include the V-log upgrade key for free And the S1 has that 10 min 6K 30fps Hack that looks interesting..... Great Video!
yes!!! So happy that someone is doing this comparison!!! Everybody judge me because I bought the S1 and not the S1H and then I hear that I have to explain to them that it's not justified the extra 2000$ !
Razvan Zot Well, I bought the S1H for two reasons: the lowpassfilter and 4K/60 10bit, but of course this is everyone’s personal decision, especially because it is so expensive...
You don't have to explain anything to anyone when you're spending YOUR money!
@@felixmentele Now S1 also have 4k60 in 10bit
@@starnutron6147 Yeah, until this point I sold the S1H. Autofocus was the main argument for me, but also the lack of 4K/60 or higher framerates without crop. Kind of sad but well, I‘m still waiting for a successor - at least until then I‘ll stick to Canon…
Great content! Thank you
I watched twice to get your views up. Great work!
Well that was some great info. Bravo man.
It's like you read my mind dude,thanks for doing this comparison video. I'm still waiting on the other companies' camera offers this year. I wonder what Canon and Sony has in store for us.
Very helpful, thanks.
Great video! I've been shooting with the S1 & Ninja V since July last year and super happy, especially after the firmware update for manual control in VFR. I would want to upgrade to the S1H eventually, but I'll wait for a good 2nd hand deal and then trade in. It's not worth the price difference brand new imo.
I’m glad you’re a fast talker. This video could’ve been 8 hours 😉. Thanks for the help!
Have been waiting for you to do this comparison. I run the GH5 and love that camera. Right now, it meets all my needs, but I am eyeing the S1H for all the reasons you listed at the end. As for the auto focus in the Lumix line, much of it comes down to settings. I have tweaked mine out to the point that the auto focus is negligible...so AF is not an issue when I use it. I use MF most of the time on all my cameras.
Any whoo...great video and info...as always. I seldom buy until the Undone video has been done! Appreciate the work.
Your Comparison is very nice Full detailed
Hi Gerald ... have you done any videos on the EVA1?? I just love the way you explain things ... you make understanding the most technically difficult explanations - SIMPLE!
I'm a very happy S1H owner. No regrets to it. Been using it along side the EVA1 for a while and it just fits with my production path really well (Broadcast TV, Indie Film, Work, etc.) For me time code has been a huge bonus (Between working with both of those cameras and the Zoom F6 recorder.) So, yeah. I fit that use case you describe and to me it seemed like it was the full fledged evolution of the GH5, where as the S1 never really completely ticked that box. But that's just me and my workload. Each person is gonna be different and you did a really excellent job here breaking this all down in terms of which cam is best suited to which user. Cheers mane.
I have no idea what you are talking about but I enjoy your videos.
Cool video. I really enjoyed the visuals, interview etc. I can't get over the quality of the images... however, not sure why I'm watching this, as I'm only in the market for a G85/G95 LOL :)
Great video! Big thanks to @Dennis Schmitz also for keeping the Panasonic feet to the fire re: the ghosting. It's a real problem and I hope they get it sorted soon, along with the issue some people are having with corrupted files. I know the GH5 had it and it got fixed in firmware with v2.0, so it's more a question of when. Hopefully around NAB time (even though it's cancelled).
I chose the S1H myself as I'm a narrative filmmaker who needs DCI4K etc, plus the OLPF stops moire. Not to mention unlimited recording time and no compromises re: modes etc.
Thanks for chiming in, Paul. Always love hearing your thoughts!
@@geraldundone I have the same 'ghost edge' problem on my sony a6300. Especially in cine4 picture profile and high ISO. In S-LOG2 not really noticeable. 🤷♂️
Very helpful and thoughtful and entertaining! I was on the fence of those two and I've decided to go to S1 if I am going to ditch the a7m3 soon enough. Thank you!
The value for money of the S1 is too good! Good choice Jonathan!
Absolutely loving the S1H, Shoot mainly on the EVA1 but using the S1H more and more when i show up on sets haha
Finally was able to see it. I don't own a Panasonic camera but since I am a techie in general so I enjoy all this cool stuff.
great work!
I went ahead and ordered the S1H in the end, since I wanted the more compact option of having the flip out screen without always needing the Ninja V. And the firmware update for the S1H has just come out fixing thr noise reduction issue, and adding raw. Hi from Australia. Solid video. Huge Fan.
Has this been confirmed, the total fixing of the noise ghosting/compression?
@@jasonnowwhat5041 yes it's foxed
Good content Gerald..Thanks for being able to stick to the subject of Panasonic cameras,so i do not have to be distracted by anything else.I have no idea why some adults cannot focus, with their minds all over the place..What i do know is they are built like tanks,which i find to be vital....
Great video - that S1H is impressive!
love the video Gerald great work ! basically the S1 is a bigger full frame G9 and the S1H is a bigger full frame GH5s
Andy Salinas then i am waiting for ver.2 firmware for S1
Thanks for this! Trying to decide on which one myself and rented the S1H. Great camera but I think the S1 will serve my purposes and bank account better.
🔥 Having both, I always pick up the S1H first. What makes the S1 great is it makes a fabulous B Cam with almost exact same video quality.
Nate's Film Tutorials doesn’t S1 have slightly different look at 24 FPS due to no shutter angle option?
Jan Komorowski I don’t notice it
Very cool thanks
I have the S1 and love it! Although I will purchase the S1H in the future and then switch the S1 to my B cam. I have invested a ton in this system including the Atomos and lenses and couldn’t be happier with it. Thanks for the great content!
dont. s1h has lots of file corruption issues. He didnt mention, dunno why (affiliate money? )
Bruno Lazaro I will probably wait for Panasonic to work out a few of the issues. One thing that I do know about Panasonic is that they are constantly improving their products through firmware updates. I have watched Gerald for a long time and have always trusted what he says as he seems very honest even when the truth hurts. Thanks for looking out though 🙂
@@cbflazaro Gerald wouldn't not mention an issue for affiliate money. Consider the possibility that he did not have the file corruption issues you speak of.
@@cbflazaro I have S1 its good bro just the autofocus in video is not that good
Don't forget that the S1 now supports CFExpress cards in the XQD slot! Game changer.
Hi Gerald, I'd be interested to see a similar kind of comparison between the gh5 and g9 with vlog upgrade. I have seen a video in which the g9 actually looks much sharper than the gh5. I think this could be an interesting video, especially for those intending to use an external recorder regardless of their choice.
Hello Gerald. I am an S1 user and i figured out i was in the same situation when i bought my mac mini after watching tons of reviews comparing mac mini 2018 to macbook lineup, and this goes as follows. First of all, not all of us have that amount of money to spend up front, therefore in both cases, the initial investment goes down significantly, being able to later upgrade peripherals as necessary. I just didn.t have an extra 1500$ for the s1h, i miss the shutter angle mainly, audio is not an issue to me since i have a zoom recorder, neither is the better articulating screen on s1h. if s1 did not have the same native dual iso, i would have most definitely gone for the s1h. the s1 has a 5k record option, kind of hidden but really useful if you plan on further stabilising your shots in post. All i wish for is to get the shutter angle on s1 in some future update and raw capability over hdmi as well. Not to mention, 10bit is way more important to me then good autofocus, and this get rid of sony option. I have worked with sony a lot via rentals, but the camera is a nightmare when it comes to menu style and button layout, i always found myself with a headache even when trying to do simple things like changing the white balance. Love this camera, totally happy with my s1, miss that shutter angle a lot though. Thanks for the video, big thumbs up and keep it up!
Finally, someone else mentions the focus peaking issue on S1.
i have same problem on gh5s. it would be amazing if Gerald did some test so panasonic could fix that. on my old gh4 peaking works flawlessly..
@@MarkoPejovic I can only compare it to my GH5, it looks amazing. I cant believe they shipped the peaking working so poorly for a camera that struggles with AF.
YAYYYY lets get undone
Gerald you've convinced me I'm ditching Sony and getting the S1
Eric Starick you won’t regret it. I switched and was heavily invested in Sony. Couldn’t be happier
Panasonic is the way to go
I have both
Honestly im just waiting to see if Sony is going to fire back hard this year, if not I'm moving on.
Some guy is selling me the s1r for 2k I’m fishi about buying it sounds like a scam. That’s way to low
Digging the hair dude.
“My name is Gerald and the best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup”
Nice to see the shout out to Richard Wong.
Amazing video Gerald! When I made the choice to get the S1H over the S1, the 4k60 and HD120 10-bit options were the main reasons. I don't like shooting V-log in 8-bit as I get varied results, and as a documentary shooter it's hard to expose every shot perfectly. Having 10-bit for all shooting modes allows me to shoot in V-log all the time for my shooting situations and speeds up my workflow a lot. Also coming from the GH4 and GH5s, the articulating screen was something I didn't want to lose. Sometimes I'm filming in such a tight spot that I have to move my screen in a very awkward position just to get the shot. Without an articulating screen, this isn't possible.
its not , you can use a mirror , infect a mirror is in my kit , because when i shoot with on camera flash , and want to bounce it i use a mirror and its much easier then grabbing the bag , setting up commander , stand , the flash , get it all to work and then shoot , sometimes there is no time for that , so i use a mirror or a mirror like surface . I also cut off one LED light bulb plastic cover , its round and i cut it off put it on flash as a disperser , there are also flashes that can be purchased like this , but most are branded and expensive , and no one is paying me to work . I already lost half of my lenses , they broke , and if someone doesn't pay something they will not get the images , and maybe then they will realize something they got for free , is not free , gear brakes , even if you do it for family like i do . My friend has a flash for his crop Nikon body , and it has a round disperser on top , makes a lot of difference but he is payed but the local governor , to take pictures of him for media . so he got 400$ flash for nothing , i on the other hand use a mirror , and a cut of light bulb disperser .Point being , there is always a way .
Hi! I appreciate all the work you do for these videos!!
I love how that "Netflix Approved" Camera list has become a thing. Sometimes it is not clarified that this list for is projects that Netflix is funding or have been alerted are in production and the producers want the film to be considered for acquisition. A bit more important the]an the actual camera is the very detailed workflow they want you to use including file name conventions so when you hand over the finished film you also have to hand over every bit of the raw elements so they can version it or re-cut it..., Netflix buys anything if it fits into their criteria shot on anything but prefer stuff that is considered broadcast quality in SD or HD. The bigger concern for narrative filmmakers and documentary shooters should be if you are using camera and sound equipment for a final cut that will eventually be projected in a theater for a film festival, but then again almost anything shot can be made to look OK on a cinema screen if its processed post properly...., All those effects that you see in Marvel movies are done in 2K then up-scaled otherwise it would takes 3 times as long to render......, or is it 4 times...? BTW,Hello from Toronto!
Thanks for this video bro, I am selling my GH5 setup and I was torn on the 2 camera's. My buddy got the S1 when it came out. I am getting the S1H now. Just to many little features like shutter angle and true 24p the 6k was the biggest for me, as a solo operator the framing options are huge for me. The only problem for me now is the Sony A7S3 because they fixed all the short comings. I am not invested in any FF system so deciding these days is tough. I would like to see a video on buying your first FF camera in 2020=)
I watched this Video more than 3times already, the funny thing is that every single time I watch it I learn something new
Amazing content Gerald! Your channel is one of my favorites. I would like to ask something about Dual Gain Iso, when I am filming the best results I can get with the S1 is in 800 Iso and 4000 Iso? Intermediate isos are worse?
I pooled my savings and went for the S1H...WHAT A BEAST OF A FILMAKING CAMERA!! C4K VLOG at 10Bit 60p is mindblowing. Photography is not too shabby either.
haha First try! You're the man Gerald!
S1H is a freaking beast. I need that raw update.
Thank you for making this video! I've been debating upgrading. I'm personally liking the color of the S1H footage better than A7III footage. I wish the A7III looked more like a Venice color profile, but yeah that's a different price point lol. Overall, the S1H fits more of my budget and I already have a Ninja V and I know Atomos is working with them on support for raw.
Working on an A73 HLG Rec2020 version of the lut shown as well. First results have been great so far. Let me know if you're interested.
The S1 is on sale at BHphoto body only for $1,997
.99. The V-LOG software upgrade comes free too. So you're saving $700 in total right there and that money can be put towards a nice lens.
Waiting for a S1H II with 4K 120, little more dynamic range and no rolling shutter. Also would be great to have a built in variable electronic ND
Damn, Camera Canada are really taking the storm from Henry
Great video. Thanks a lot, it helped. Which audio recording bitrate and freq is the S1H capable of in-camera?
DVX200 had the same problems with ghosting and this was completely removed by turning off the NR. It's surprising that this issue still affects Panasonic cameras given their attention to detail with all other aspects.
Awesome content as always! Question, would the HLG lut also work for the panasonic G9 & GH5?
This is a great video been scared of the s1 for a while now.... I think I am going to pull the plug
Go for it if you can, it's a fantastic camera!
By the time I have saved enough money to buy the S1H thier will be another camera...lol love my Gh5. Great video G-man
Thanks !
I swear if the 6k bmpcc had amazing autofocus, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Hey Gerald. Great video. Hope you can shed some light on this. Is the s1 region switchable? I see conflicting information on this
Love your videos. The Panasonic Specifications only shows 100fps at 4:2:0 10-bit though not 120fps for the s1h.
Hey Gerald, it would be wonderful if you could do a follow up review of the S1 vs S1H with all the new capabilities that have been added through firmware etc, and the options in 2021 :)
yeah, now with latest S1 updates I don't know if it's better than S5, and much closer to S1H?
@@KamilKeenanVisuals with current firmware the s1 is definitely better than the s5 and theres almost no reason to get the s1H panasonic basically made their high end s series obsolete through firmware other than the ALL-I options. While I do love both my s1 and s5 the battery life, screen brightness and clarity, extra internal recording options, and full size hdmi output/xqd card slot of the s1 bring it ahead of the s5.
@@idlemindsmedia hi can you help me please? I am curious if the S1 after most recent update can do both 24fps AND 60fps @ 10-bit internally? Secondly, I am used to h.264 on my gh5, and I am a little concerned with the h.265 that the S1 uses. Can you share your experience? Is h.265 at all recording modes or just 10-bit 4k60? Also I do not have a Ninja so I would be doing everything internally
@@billem16 so I came from the gh5 as well but I primarily use the mov format which does support all the way to c4k 60p at 10 bit and I don’t have any issues editing . It will also do 6k 30p internally at 10 bit if you need it to!
@@idlemindsmedia can you confirm the battery life being better than the S5?
Maybe it was an old issue, tried it and everything is fine for me now 2021.04.11 Vlog and HLG work both just fine
Love to see side by side S1H IBIS compared against the GH5 IBIS.
The LUT is incredible
great vid
It's 2023 and I still prefer my 2019 purchased S1 for video (especially now with the BRAW output using the Blackmagic video assist 12G). Yes it's that good - I'm amazed every time I drop a clip into DaVinci. I've tried almost every new camera on the market. Poor video autofocus doesn't bother me because I only use manual. The only real issue for me is the weight...if I'm feeling tired it can be a drag to hold this thing up for extended periods.