Can we appreciate the fact that the S1H, and other similar cameras like the S5, are so good at recording compressed internal footage that Gerald and Jordan found almost no reason to record RAW externally. Amazing cameras to choose from nowadays.
I agree, but it is worth noting that the S5 has a more compressed codec though, being 150 mbps LongGOP. They're talking about the S1h which has 400 mbps All-I encoding.
@@jonniecandito181 Yes, but there isn't a huge difference between LongGOP and ALL-I when it comes to quality based on some comparisons I've seen. ALL-I is mainly an improvement for editing performance.
@@TheFraziers Nah it's a big difference between 400mbps and 150mbps, plus raw you can actually get 12bit color which if you're trying to get the most bang out of your codec then it's good to me. but I've only used prores raw
@@ceelothatmane9421 yeah you get all of that, but then you have to factor in HDD space, cost, bulk of extra gear such as lugging around an Atomos, SSDs, batteries, all this for what most clients would not ever notice or care for. I sold my Ninja V after getting an S5 because it’s a PITA to carry all this stuff for results people don’t care for. The only value I can see investing in any of this stuff for is very high level projects. And even then that money is better off being invested in lighting and other things so you don’t have to rely on RAW video
@@chickenpasta7359 it’s not much to carry an atomos with my s5 with a cage. I mean it really makes the camera easier to handle imo. Without it shooting for me is a drag. Everybody has different needs. I look at a monitor as essential. The recording features are just a bonus
Looking fwd to the Z6ii BRAW implementation review. "Guest appearances" are a welcome feature. Gerald, you still provide the most information-dense channel on this rapidly changing market. Thanks!
It's crazy how Panasonic's gives these updates for free. Yes, the original filmaker update is payed for the S1, but these features weren't included in the begining, and now most stores bundle that fw with the S1 anyways. Kudos for Panasonic for the long term and effective support.
I used to have a GH5 and that thing was a beast, I still think its a fantastic camera now too! I'm not sure if RAW is necessary for Panasonic, especially in mirrorless camera bodies, but its definitely going going help them marketing wise tenfold!!
Great review and rapport between the two of you! I just picked up the 7" a week ago to use with a Nikon being sent to me, but as I also have my S1H it was a great way to play with both (and the Sigma fp soon). Also loving the interface and the fact I can, as a Windows user, finally play with Panasonic RAW in Resolve without a round trip ProresRAW FCPX to Prores422 conversion.
How I miss the old endings when each video had a different "but if you did not find this video helpful or entertaining, then..." Just watched like 20 old videos just for that 😁. It seriously was the cherry on top of a good video.
Thanks for the great review as ever. I have an S1H and a Ninja V and I agree with you, apart from ISO and WB control I’m not gaining much using ProRes raw over internal 10bit. Plus using Neat noise reduction on the raw footage is really time consuming. Cheers!
Been debating on the 5" VA and missed out on a used one for 20% off @B&H dang it. Nice review both Gerald and Jordan, loads of info and was what I've been waiting for with regards to my S1H and the long decision of going Ninja V for RAW or more recently VA. I'm needing SDI support so it's opened up some options to kill two birds with one monitor when that time comes. Thanks you two!
Z cam just announced yesterday that there is 1) a new z cam F6 pro coming out soon, but B) They have worked out a deal with Blackmagic to record BRAW through these recorders. Could be a game changer for the Z cam crowd and all of the currently clunky workflow issues ini resolve.
Here for info on BRAW and got p much everything I need to know here, thanks! 17:30 saying pretty much what I was thinking at this point, think I'll stick with just going out with a relatively compact S5 and shoot V-Log in 422 10bit. Simple and weatherproof, and I love the image quality already.
I really enjoyed this conversation. As far the update goes, I see this a very important in the world of video, because previously you had no option other than any BMPCC for easy and cheap RAW video, but now it is coming in most of the cameras, I think many people will implement RAW and don't have to worry shifting any other brand.
One benefit of BRAW you guys didn't really consider in your internal vs raw comparison was the fact that you get tons more color information to work with in 12bit and no chroma subsampling.
@@DollyRanch : I’m not sure how you mean moire would be created? Moire is an effect of sampling as higher signal frequency at a lower rate without any low pass filter. The lack och croma resolution will just blur the colors
@@robertochaves4535 no I'm saying BRAW and PR RAW will have less of the sort of colour moire because those formats like Zachary says do not subsample colour data. Not sure if what I'm referring to is really called moire but perhaps you are familiar with what I mean
I shot a wedding on the weekend using the S1H and Atomos using Prores HQ. Using the S Pro 50mm F1.4 and S Pro 16-35mm F4 the colors, dynamic range and flexibility in post are very good. I agree with this video, white balance correctly and I can't see why you would need RAW.
If only ProRes RAW would be supported by Resolve. It'd make my C300 MkII like a brand new camera - I send all of my client work to a colorist and the 10-bit 4K 422 footage just can't keep up with BRAW. We're filming a passion project short documentary with a BMPCC 4K simply because it can do BRAW (even thought I think the C300 MkII is a much better camera.) 😢
If Panasonic is looking at the comments (😆), please bring BRAW to the Lumix S5! I only edit in Resolve and would love to use the RAW features available on my S5's.
Something I feel like a lot of people don’t go into in this space is working with artistic color grading artists. I’m not a top level colorist, most of what I do is color correct. But having BRaw to be able to have a colorist and develop beautiful stylistic looks is a huge deal
Blackmagic added camera control over HDMI for their current-gen "Pocket" cameras to their new ATEM devices. If they added that to the VideoAssist, I would likely grab one PDQ.
as usual the only type of reviews i like. the technical detail you show is very rare for internet reviews, the only more technical review channel i know of is Media Division, but they are an actual cinema company as far as i can tell. Fuckin' onya mate comin straight from down undah
Geez, the S1H is already a dynamic range beast... if it gets highlight recovery in Resolve, it’s gonna be a must-own body. I just wish they’d sort out a method for sending that open gate mode out to the external recorders.
@@mikemcglasson1286 I mean, no. Not 6K and not Raw. The camera sends a live view feed for monitoring over HDMI, which I suppose you could capture, but it’s not as good as the file recorded internally.
@@mikemcglasson1286 yes that works fine. I record 6K open gate on my S1H and monitor it accurately on my SmallHD Focus without any issues. I even desqueeze my 1.75X anamorphic 😎
NOTE there is a difference between using the EXPOSURE Slider vs the ISO slider, This is why i love using the RED weapon Camera, you can change ISO and your image doesn't fall apart at all, RED camera is amazing but way out of most people's price range,, the RED WEAPON is $40,000.00 , so most people are not going to get this camera. But it's amazing.. Probably the best video camera of all time
OK, if anyone has the answer, it HAS TO BE HERE! I am using the Lumix S1h and have been trying out RAW on my Atomos Ninja V. Works great, but there is a lag between what is being filmed and what is shown on the monitor. Is this just me? Is there anything I can do about this? This lag, combined with Lumix's poor auto-focus, makes the RAW solution a no-go for me for most projects. Of course, after watching this review, I'm re-thinking how much benefit this even gives me. Still, I have the tools and would love to try it out if there is solution. Thank you! I follow both of you on TH-cam :)
Now it's time for Olympus and Sony to get on the BRAW train. I'm saying this as someone who uses the free version of Resolve on Windows and has zero desire to spend money on a Mac or on video editing software.
I will forever wait for Gerald to get his hands on some old Canon DSLRs and compare Magic Lantern Raw to all the current Raw codecs and see just how far he could push some old dslrs
(addressed to the CEO of panasonic, if he reads this comment) Panasonic must make an external recorder that takes the signal at the hdmi output and passes it to an external SSD, at least in both formats: all-intra and Cineform! (and at a moderate price)
Apparently, I don't own one, but the BlackMagic Video Assist 3.4 update allows you to color calibrate the monitor. I assume the same way you can color calibrate the pocket camera displays now. You should be able to adjust the color temp and tint for the display itself.
Its my understanding that ProResRAW and BRaw are very different. ProResRAW stores all three RGB channels seperatly....and therefor, has no actual "color" in it. (Three RGB filtered grey scale channels) BRaw actually flattens it's RGB channels into a full color mixed image. You really can't white balance ProRes and pre-save that...because its got no actual color to white balance. However, you can white balance BRaw because its pre-mixed to the file. How do you white balance something that has not even been deBayered yet? (ProResRAW) Anyhoo...this is a key difference in both of these "raw" files. (Thank you RED patent atourneys)
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Gerald and Jordan needs to happen more often. Highlight of the year for me so far.
+1
I agree. Very good braw on S1H review.
Can we appreciate the fact that the S1H, and other similar cameras like the S5, are so good at recording compressed internal footage that Gerald and Jordan found almost no reason to record RAW externally. Amazing cameras to choose from nowadays.
I agree, but it is worth noting that the S5 has a more compressed codec though, being 150 mbps LongGOP. They're talking about the S1h which has 400 mbps All-I encoding.
@@jonniecandito181 Yes, but there isn't a huge difference between LongGOP and ALL-I when it comes to quality based on some comparisons I've seen. ALL-I is mainly an improvement for editing performance.
@@TheFraziers Nah it's a big difference between 400mbps and 150mbps, plus raw you can actually get 12bit color which if you're trying to get the most bang out of your codec then it's good to me. but I've only used prores raw
@@ceelothatmane9421 yeah you get all of that, but then you have to factor in HDD space, cost, bulk of extra gear such as lugging around an Atomos, SSDs, batteries, all this for what most clients would not ever notice or care for. I sold my Ninja V after getting an S5 because it’s a PITA to carry all this stuff for results people don’t care for. The only value I can see investing in any of this stuff for is very high level projects. And even then that money is better off being invested in lighting and other things so you don’t have to rely on RAW video
@@chickenpasta7359 it’s not much to carry an atomos with my s5 with a cage. I mean it really makes the camera easier to handle imo. Without it shooting for me is a drag. Everybody has different needs. I look at a monitor as essential. The recording features are just a bonus
WOOOOOO it's Jordan 😁😁 unbelievable crossover
I don't even care about this camera, I just love Gerald's reviews!
Same
Same with me 😂😂😂
Same😂
Jordan and Gerald!!! Two of my favorite reviewers in one place ❤️
I don't even have a camera but still watching Gerald
I don't even have a Gerald but still watching camera
I don't even watch, I just gerald my camera
3 years later and i hope you have a camera now :D
Thank you Panasonic for all these incredible updates, Open Gate on the S1 is great.
Does open gate recording work with an external monitor?
My finger has never twitched so fast to hit a button when I got the alert that Gerald had posted!
I'm Gerald Undone, and everything changed when the fire nation attacked.
You collabs are always gold.
Looking fwd to the Z6ii BRAW implementation review.
"Guest appearances" are a welcome feature.
Gerald, you still provide the most information-dense channel on this rapidly changing market. Thanks!
Most people grumble when construction is loud and annoying. Gerald shoots the construction company a sizzle reel.
I heard that he once slammed a revolving door. Urban legend, myth, who knows!
It's so great to see how excited Gerald was doing this review. He just kept smiling. So wholesome.
How could you have known I'd come in search of this exact comparison 8 minutes after you posted it !
“What is my channel for if not that.” Amen Gerald! Love your attention to detail.
I was wondering when someone was going to cover this - good old, reliable Gerald!!
I have the S1H, it's my only camera. Soooo excited to see a video for me!!
I feel like I had to scroll down way too far to find a comment that was about the subject of the video and not about how much people love Gerald haha
S1H can shot 4K 24p at full frame right ? Or all full frames mode are cropped ?
@@d.zoneproduction4583 Basically, no 4k crop unless it's >30p
I trust these reviews more than the manufacturers own specs :-) thank you for another great review :-)
I like Jordan so much and his videos
I like you!
@@thatjordandrake Thank you 🥳I have just subscribed to your channel! I only knew DPReview channel.
It's crazy how Panasonic's gives these updates for free. Yes, the original filmaker update is payed for the S1, but these features weren't included in the begining, and now most stores bundle that fw with the S1 anyways. Kudos for Panasonic for the long term and effective support.
original V-log update was for free in stores
Didn’t realize this was the crossover I wanted. Thank you!!!
The S1 update is MASSIVE! Hoping it gets BRAW at some point though, I just switched over to Resolve.
Same on both accounts! Still holding out hope that Blackmagic will decide to support ProRes RAW at some point haha
@@SamEmilio2 That would be fine too👍🏻
It's getting it now :).
I used to have a GH5 and that thing was a beast, I still think its a fantastic camera now too! I'm not sure if RAW is necessary for Panasonic, especially in mirrorless camera bodies, but its definitely going going help them marketing wise tenfold!!
Here's hoping they add braw to the gh5 if that's possible
I'm a simple guy. I see Gerald post and I click
you are not alone
Please Panasonic, bring BRaw to the S5. It would be the perfect camera.
It's there finally!
Great review and rapport between the two of you! I just picked up the 7" a week ago to use with a Nikon being sent to me, but as I also have my S1H it was a great way to play with both (and the Sigma fp soon). Also loving the interface and the fact I can, as a Windows user, finally play with Panasonic RAW in Resolve without a round trip ProresRAW FCPX to Prores422 conversion.
Always good to see a Gerald Undone video in my subscriptions feed, and what a bonus to see Jordan as well. Fantastic!
Braw on the S5 woud be great !
it got one now !
@@adigyran has anything changed since this video as far as white balance/iso/highlight reduction that will now apply to the S5?
@@Ariel_emerald idk, i have s1
@@Ariel_emerald they announced it today for the s5!!!
How I miss the old endings when each video had a different "but if you did not find this video helpful or entertaining, then..."
Just watched like 20 old videos just for that 😁. It seriously was the cherry on top of a good video.
Sony please add external braw to a7siii
That would be a really nice option to have.
So so so happy to see two of my favourite TH-camrs talking about a beast of a camera. This collaboration should happen more. Dont undone it.
Circling back to this one. Great collab.
Thanks for the great review as ever. I have an S1H and a Ninja V and I agree with you, apart from ISO and WB control I’m not gaining much using ProRes raw over internal 10bit. Plus using Neat noise reduction on the raw footage is really time consuming. Cheers!
You are my two favorite reviewers.. this video is gold! :)
Construction b-roll is dope
Crossover with two legends
Been debating on the 5" VA and missed out on a used one for 20% off @B&H dang it. Nice review both Gerald and Jordan, loads of info and was what I've been waiting for with regards to my S1H and the long decision of going Ninja V for RAW or more recently VA. I'm needing SDI support so it's opened up some options to kill two birds with one monitor when that time comes.
Thanks you two!
Z cam just announced yesterday that there is 1) a new z cam F6 pro coming out soon, but B) They have worked out a deal with Blackmagic to record BRAW through these recorders. Could be a game changer for the Z cam crowd and all of the currently clunky workflow issues ini resolve.
I love my Black Magic Video Assist 12G!
Loved this episode of Jordan Undone
I m waiting your BMPCC 6k Pro review :). Thanks for your professional videos!
Here for info on BRAW and got p much everything I need to know here, thanks! 17:30 saying pretty much what I was thinking at this point, think I'll stick with just going out with a relatively compact S5 and shoot V-Log in 422 10bit. Simple and weatherproof, and I love the image quality already.
I really enjoyed this conversation. As far the update goes, I see this a very important in the world of video, because previously you had no option other than any BMPCC for easy and cheap RAW video, but now it is coming in most of the cameras, I think many people will implement RAW and don't have to worry shifting any other brand.
So Jordan has a 5 inch one... And doesn't have a date...
Today, I started my research about this, but then you posted this video. Wow.
Tell me I'm not the only one that watches every Gerald Undone video at 1.5X speed.
Great collab! The bell rings for both channels, and has for a while. We are way over the top editors. Wait what, pause and process @ 75%! LOL!
Oh boy. I'm looking forward to this one!
Could you imagine having Gerald as your teacher? I swear I would have passed my Mech Eng classes.
Only few mechanical engineering professor can present knoledge to us how gerald undone presents :3
Been waiting for your thoughts on this for so long!!!!!
Ha, Gerald, remember I told you that Panasonic we're talking about you at the UK HQ? I'm glad they're sending you stuff now 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Every time I watch your videos I feel like I should move to DaVinci Resolve
One benefit of BRAW you guys didn't really consider in your internal vs raw comparison was the fact that you get tons more color information to work with in 12bit and no chroma subsampling.
Yes, and this can have a big impact on VFX work or green screen work.
@@robertochaves4535 or some types of moire I presume?
@@DollyRanch : I’m not sure how you mean moire would be created? Moire is an effect of sampling as higher signal frequency at a lower rate without any low pass filter. The lack och croma resolution will just blur the colors
@@robertochaves4535 no I'm saying BRAW and PR RAW will have less of the sort of colour moire because those formats like Zachary says do not subsample colour data. Not sure if what I'm referring to is really called moire but perhaps you are familiar with what I mean
TH-cam: Gerald Undone uploaded a video
Me: I don’t even own a S1H
Also Me: Let me learn things to sound smarter in my next camera conversation 😄😄
😂
Great video, informative, enjoyable, thank you very much indeed!
10:50 Gerald watching the bomb drop
I'm Gerald Undone and my Italian name is GERALDO SFATTO
I shot a wedding on the weekend using the S1H and Atomos using Prores HQ. Using the S Pro 50mm F1.4 and S Pro 16-35mm F4 the colors, dynamic range and flexibility in post are very good. I agree with this video, white balance correctly and I can't see why you would need RAW.
If only ProRes RAW would be supported by Resolve. It'd make my C300 MkII like a brand new camera - I send all of my client work to a colorist and the 10-bit 4K 422 footage just can't keep up with BRAW. We're filming a passion project short documentary with a BMPCC 4K simply because it can do BRAW (even thought I think the C300 MkII is a much better camera.) 😢
I'm just going to buy final cut
@@divisionoflabor3070 I mean, you might as well. 🤷🏻♂️
@@matthewTobrien Lol, sad I have to. It would be easy to implement, but competition... sad
I am still confused whether to choose BMPCC6K pro or S1H
If Panasonic is looking at the comments (😆), please bring BRAW to the Lumix S5! I only edit in Resolve and would love to use the RAW features available on my S5's.
They mustve been reading the comments lol.
Panasonic is killing it. Just announced that the s1 and s5 will be getting external BRAW recording as well!
For the next intro you need to tell your weight in Nocts 🤣
Feels like I'm on the most beautifull side tech youtube.
Something I feel like a lot of people don’t go into in this space is working with artistic color grading artists.
I’m not a top level colorist, most of what I do is color correct. But having BRaw to be able to have a colorist and develop beautiful stylistic looks is a huge deal
Blackmagic added camera control over HDMI for their current-gen "Pocket" cameras to their new ATEM devices. If they added that to the VideoAssist, I would likely grab one PDQ.
Totally agree, hope they see this and update the firmware. If they did that I would pick it up
Thank You always guys 👌🏼
Can you compare the noise floor of the Zoom F6 to the XLR of the 7" BlackMagic recorder?
I'm wondering if I can leave my audio recorder at home.
After watching the first minute - So Jordan got 7 inch and Gerald 5 inch? Unfair!
as usual the only type of reviews i like. the technical detail you show is very rare for internet reviews, the only more technical review channel i know of is Media Division, but they are an actual cinema company as far as i can tell. Fuckin' onya mate comin straight from down undah
Thank you, the content of this conversation is very useful.
Great video! Looking forward to the Nikon video and would also love a Atomos Ninja V and BM Video Assist comparision.
14:50 Indeed. Sminch is a perfectly cromulent word.
A noble word embiggens the smallest man.
Geez, the S1H is already a dynamic range beast... if it gets highlight recovery in Resolve, it’s gonna be a must-own body.
I just wish they’d sort out a method for sending that open gate mode out to the external recorders.
Is there still no way to send open gate out over an external recorder?
@@mikemcglasson1286 I mean, no. Not 6K and not Raw. The camera sends a live view feed for monitoring over HDMI, which I suppose you could capture, but it’s not as good as the file recorded internally.
@@ForestCinema what about just displaying the 3:2 6k video to an external monitor while recording right to the camera?
@@mikemcglasson1286 yes that works fine. I record 6K open gate on my S1H and monitor it accurately on my SmallHD Focus without any issues. I even desqueeze my 1.75X anamorphic 😎
Will this happen for the S5?
Glad to see this video
That was the nerdiest 22 min of my life. ...Love it!
Simply wonderful!
Haha, that was cool! Hearing someone else saying "alright,... I'm done! 😁
Make the video assist vs ninja v video please! Really intersted.
Add Shogun 7 to 7" Video Assist as well.
NOTE there is a difference between using the EXPOSURE Slider vs the ISO slider, This is why i love using the RED weapon Camera, you can change ISO and your image doesn't fall apart at all, RED camera is amazing but way out of most people's price range,, the RED WEAPON is $40,000.00 , so most people are not going to get this camera.
But it's amazing.. Probably the best video camera of all time
I'm Gerald undone... "and I'm also Gerald undone" - a second version of Gerald as he pokes his head into frame in the background
omg...u make construction look so goody ...
You guys are awesome together
OK, if anyone has the answer, it HAS TO BE HERE! I am using the Lumix S1h and have been trying out RAW on my Atomos Ninja V. Works great, but there is a lag between what is being filmed and what is shown on the monitor. Is this just me? Is there anything I can do about this? This lag, combined with Lumix's poor auto-focus, makes the RAW solution a no-go for me for most projects. Of course, after watching this review, I'm re-thinking how much benefit this even gives me. Still, I have the tools and would love to try it out if there is solution. Thank you! I follow both of you on TH-cam :)
I was actually not following Jordan, so thanks for the recommendation.
I recently moved to Lumix from Fuji, for photography, I don't do much video, however I see the pink/yellow cast under certain conditions.
Now it's time for Olympus and Sony to get on the BRAW train. I'm saying this as someone who uses the free version of Resolve on Windows and has zero desire to spend money on a Mac or on video editing software.
I prefer shooting in Braw so this is quite a welcome update.
Nobody:
Absolutely Nobody:
Gerald: I have a 7 incher!
Make this into the intro format...
"I'm Gerald Undone and my assist is 7 inches."
I will forever wait for Gerald to get his hands on some old Canon DSLRs and compare Magic Lantern Raw to all the current Raw codecs and see just how far he could push some old dslrs
Lets get Undone ^^
Thanks for your video.
(addressed to the CEO of panasonic, if he reads this comment) Panasonic must make an external recorder that takes the signal at the hdmi output and passes it to an external SSD, at least in both formats: all-intra and Cineform! (and at a moderate price)
How does the fan noise compare between the BM & Atomos?
This is what I want to know too, as my Ninja V is a freaking hair dryer!
I must say, loved the ending😂
That super 35 just below 4k at 4:3 is so frustrating 🤣 but it's an amazing camera. I hit the buy button either way. Netflix approved.
Apparently, I don't own one, but the BlackMagic Video Assist 3.4 update allows you to color calibrate the monitor. I assume the same way you can color calibrate the pocket camera displays now. You should be able to adjust the color temp and tint for the display itself.
Gerald, and Jordan, if you guys can whisper to Fuji to release ProRes raw on the XT4 that would be amaaaaaaaaaazing.
Yes pleeeeaseeee!
Its my understanding that ProResRAW and BRaw are very different. ProResRAW stores all three RGB channels seperatly....and therefor, has no actual "color" in it. (Three RGB filtered grey scale channels) BRaw actually flattens it's RGB channels into a full color mixed image. You really can't white balance ProRes and pre-save that...because its got no actual color to white balance. However, you can white balance BRaw because its pre-mixed to the file. How do you white balance something that has not even been deBayered yet? (ProResRAW) Anyhoo...this is a key difference in both of these "raw" files. (Thank you RED patent atourneys)