Why HeartGold/SoulSilver Are Peak Pokemon
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4th gen was definitely the peak of the series, the other gens after are still good, but 4th gen was special. Hard to put into words
GEN 4 put me back on pokemon. Pokemon platinum is my favorite game and soul silver very close 2nd. These games are so perfect
Agreed. I still replayed Platinum and HGSS to this day. Currently challenging Battle Factory for the Silver Symbol!
If you exclude diamond pearl and platinum, yes gen 4 was good. Damn those games are slow with al lthe cutscenes. and people blame gen 7 for that. At least those have dynamic view
@@ejokurirulezzSaying Sinnoh was bad is a horrible take.
10 seconds in and I can already just say. Heart gold was my all time favorite Pokémon games. The best ds sprite, the pokeathalon I loved so much, pokemon walking with you. 2 regions. It could’ve been better yes but I still think it was perfect.
peak gaming
I got it specifically becauae of the Pokewalker and I'm so glad I did. It's sad no other game has even come close to being as good as HG/SS were.
Best ds sprites were def b2w2
@@thiagoteixeira6595100%. I love hg/SS I spent the most hours in those games but gen 5 is objectively better
Leveling up your mons wasn’t that bad if you knew what to do and where to go. You have to explore various places in the game. There’s trainers for you to battle if you explore off the main road, also you can have rematches with trainers if you called them on your poke gear. And you’re encouraged to explore Dark cave a lot. I understand how you feel about Kanto being on a Sunday but that was the point, there wasn’t supposed to be main conflict as post game content. The first half of the game is the journey to be the very best and on that journey the bad guys would get in your way, the second half was to be better and to challenge the legend of Kanto. And even if it was a beta version of Kanto you’re still exploring a second region! But I agree Pokémon doesn’t have the same charm as it used to and a lot has to do with greed and weak fans.
Bruh DS era pokemon was such peak, like everything from platinum to hgss to bw and bw2, not to mention PMD and the rangers: shadows of almia
Yes.
I have nothing more to say.
Great video, HeartGold and SoulSilver are still my favorite games in the series along with Platinum, Yes the Level curve is still bad and some Johto Pokemon only being available in Kanto/The Post Game is frustrating, But that doesn't stop these games from being masterpeices.
My core game as a kid was Emerald, but now that I’ve finally played HG/SS I gotta say it truly is the peak of the series. Only thing I missed was the characters and story. Emerald had great ones you could connect with like Wally and Steven and I didn’t get as much of that from GSC or HG/SS.
True! When I played sapphire as a kid using the guide I was very emotionally invested in the series!
I prefer emerald although I love HGSS because the legendaries felt like a threat to the world for the first time in the series. Lugia and HOoh are just chilling and so is mewtwo. Kyogre and Groudon buildup was awesome to experience as a kid and even now with alpha/omega remakes.
Back in the day, my favorite playthrough ever was Heartgold. And it was kind of all because i was under leveled. I'm pretty sure I went in with all level 38s and beat the elite four and lance. Though I remember resetting and using a lot of heals towards the end. At some point in Kanto I remember falling farther and farther behind and every battle was a chore and I'd have to go back and heal from each trainer. That's what made it insanely fun though.
him: why this game is the best
proceeds to just say what he did in the game
thanks for the comment bud
Pokemon was so peak on the original ds era man.... after gen 5 i feel like it slowly went less good over time. I still loved Arceus a ton though, but man... i HOPE the gen 5 remakes can be more like oras then those dissapointing gen 4 remakes... as for thrse games although not my #1 spot favorites they are still PEAK Pokemon for sure! Awesome video
the pokewalker was AMAZING.and walking pokemon and the sinnoh connections were great addition
I love that they brought back safari in remake. they put pokeathlon too. pokeathlon was very fun minigame. I love that we can walk along with our pokemon in heartgold and soul silver. I don't know why but I love gen 2 pokemon most too (maybe because of pokemon colosseum)
Pokémon colosseum was awesome
@@JacobCruise agreed! I really loved the atmosphere and stealing other people's pokemon system
Meganium solo'd Clare, Bruno and Lance for me. All it takes is one or two Swords Dance + Outrage and you will witness a party show. Luckily Meganium had great bulk and sadly people seem to underestimate it...
I can't agree. If they had fixed the awful level curve that plagues the game it would be great but as it stands the game essentially just has a painful dead zone right after the 4th gym that lasts basically the rest of the game. The safari zone addition helped somewhat but the devs were too eager to recreate Johto in its original state that they just remade one of the worst gens from a gameplay perspective.
Pokemon has a simple level system of 1 to 100 with simple movesets. It does not lend itself to non-linearity, as a result the levels between the mid gyms opposed to Clair and Clair to the elite 4 is annoying compounded with wild encounters being nowhere near enough to alleviate this.
No matter what anyone says, those are the best remakes in history
I'm glad someone shows respect to these games
Best game in the series gold and silver. Platinum was good and then after the series didn't deliver anything close.
3:46 is this a bad thing?...someone made a video about the emulator speed up thing and im guilty for using it during some encounters
Replaying it right as we speak!!! And im loving my play through so far!! Deff peak!!
Underrated channel dude. I love how Sudowoodo became your HM slave lol. I used to do that too bc I like only having rare (at the time) Pokémon.
Thanks 😁
@@JacobCruise Absolutely, hmu sometime if you ever wanna collab. I'm planning on doing more with pokemon myself.
Nice video! I replayed this during the pandemic (wanted to make a TH-cam video but never did) and it holds up so well! Although what you said about kanto resonated with me. I couldn’t even get through it. I’d rather replay FRLG.
Heart and Gold Pokémon is mostly my favorite game the one I didn’t get a chance to play yet .❤
When i first played this game ( The original Gold )
Accessing Kanto is a hell of surprise. It might not have such a story, but it feels like a free bonus FULL DLC game.
That was the time when there were no spoilers going on around. Just enjoying the feeling of "Wow, there are more than the original 151 pokemon" and bam, you're back in kanto just like that and get to meet all of the 8 leaders again.
Haven't watched yet but shiny hunting in these games was peak, it felt so much calmer just flipping between the starters
very chill
Weird way to spell out Black and white 2…. But yes gen 5 was peak. Gotta show my love towards the impeccable DPPT HGSS and RSE. All amazing games. All in all, gens 3, 4, and 5 are fooking peak of pokemon❤
I've played well over 600hr between my 4 playthroughs of HeartGold. It's not perfect, but it also is by far my favorite game in the series. As you said stuff like grinding and HMs are a nuisance. However, Pokeathalon, great rematches, the music, the look of the region, walking Pokémon, 2 regions. There is just so much to love about HGSS, which have made it my go to Pokémon Game!
woah 600
Just my original save file had 391.5 hours when I first reset the game back in 2017.@@JacobCruise
LOL FLARE
Rollout and milk drink are broken though.
Bad take on Kanto. It was a treat that they even put it in there to begin with and you're like WhEre'S mY STorY LiNE? Bro, mind your expectations Why are people like this?
why did you mod your 3ds what did it do?
Personally, i still preferred silver/gold/crystal along with emerald. Visually, it's perfect for a handheld and phone. I cant do the modern 3d graphics.
I only wanted to have the option for Pokémon to follow you, it look stupid for a huge or ,a water for example, to follow you
Ive been playing storm silver the ROM hack and I must say I almost hated this game alot(I feel like I shouldve played the original first but nonetheless im enjoying it now)
After months of trying, I finally got a shiny starter and can actually start my play through. But now I’m stuck at the odd tree. Trying for a shiny
Bros the shiny god
Still upset I lost my pokewalker a few weeks after getting the game one day while wearing it.
so sad
Im curious. What is your favorite pokemon game? I love Black and White 2. I noticed that you said that hgss was in your top 3 so im curious what the other two are
I haven’t beat black and white 2 so I can’t rank that. But it’s Fire Red, HeartGold, White. Although those are subject to change. Oras is up there too
@JacobCruise you sir have great opinions! I couldn't agree more with your choices myself! Although I really do suggest that you play through black 2 or white 2 just because of the sheer amount post game and fan service, the games hold. Also, if you have 2 ds's, you can link your copy of either black or white to their respective sequels so characters will mention your old protagonist and unlock some special cutscenes that explain what happened between the 2 year gap.
So I guess what I'm saying is that if you enjoyed white you will love white 2.
@@Shyguy2434 i did actually play until gym 8 in white 2 but my save got corrupted on my emulator. I loved that game at that point though. I need to revisit
@JacobCruise I'd love to see a video on it in the future. And if you were to make one, I know for a fact that you'd be talking about the post-game because it's just that grandiose! Whenever you get around to beating the game, please revisit the pokemon World Tournament building. It's my favorite part by a long shot.
@@Shyguy2434 i think Chuggaconroy is playing through the game and it feels like he’s been doing the post game alone for months
I think we had the same team, only swapping Ho-oh for Lugia. Needed Meganium to bodyslam the life outta them dragonite. Also didn't know ice was effective against deagon 😅
so real for this
I still have my pokewalker lol.
My first gen was gen 3 when i was 7, so i also got to experience gen 1 (fr/lg) but i missed out on gen 2. I was excited for gen 4 because of all the new pokemon, but ngl people complain about BDSP but DPPT weren't very good either.
Enter HG/SS, a gen 2 game with all the graphics and pokemon of gen 4.
Also somehow the only game to nail the pokemon follow mechanic correctly.
It truely is the current peak of pokemon games.
I wonder how much the pokewalker sells for
I do really like HGSS but I've always found them to be quite overrated, there are certain issues with HGSS that do hurt them a bit particularly the Exp issue, whereas I'd say BW2 are up near the top of my favourites alongside Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet. But again, I do like HGSS, in fact I don't think any of the mainline games are bad, even the weakest ones like X and Y and the original Gen 1 games - the mainline Pokemon games are always fun to play! Great video though and I can definitely understand your perspective!
HG/SS is peak Pokemon.
How did you get a Steelix without trading? I’ve not played HGSS but I’ve platinum, and I remembered that you had to trade with a metal coat or something lol
i think they’re available through random encounters in hgss. Been a while since this playthrough I forgot
You can catch a wild Steelix inside the Cliff Cave next to the Cianwood City.
@@FrankUnderwoood Thank you, I'll be sure to be on the lookout next time!
As a Chikorita fan I can say it's not the best but it's my favorite in gen 2.
These are the best games ever
I disagree. And this is coming from someone who loves Johto and their first Pokémon game was Silver back in the day.
These games are amazing, make no mistake, but they retain the original games' most notable flaws, coupled with being made on the poorly-optimized Generation 4 engine. Flaws like the bad level curve, lack of Johto representation in Trainer and Gym Leader teams, some Pokémon being postgame-only (though this was sorta fixed with the new Safari Zone, but Slugma can only be obtained via an Egg), Kanto having no story, etc.
Oh, well, look at that: Sneasel is *STILL* postgame-only, despite the others having some pre-Elite Four means if obtaining them.
They couldn't even put it in Ice Path like Crystal did...what a joke.
The Japanese version is better for the slots. Even then, Kris and the roulette card flip from Crystal are gone. Any Pokémon remake should have graphics on par with Generation 6, Let's Go, and Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX at best. The changes should only be made to improve the gameplay. Character clothes and hair being redesigned are not really needed.
SLOTS 🤑
Coming from someone who came from newer games (my first pokemon is sword and shield) I didn’t really like heart gold and soul silver maybe this is just a personal thing since I’m so used to more modern pokemon mechanics however that level curve is absolutely insane and the mid game was so sluggish to start with the level curve it’s self explanatory the trainers aren’t high enough level to give you the exp you need and the wild pokemon aren’t either also there’s another level curve that’s even worse with red and there’s no real good way to get up to that level and sure you can rematch the elite four multiple times however that is just too time consuming for me and the team rocket story was okay? Most pokemon games have mediocre stories but this was just bad my final gripe with the game is how long the hp bar goes down I could literally travel to Malaysia for 2 weeks and come back and then MAYBE it’ll be finished
It’s frustrating because these would have been perfect Pokemon games if they just fixed the level curve and the Pokémon distribution. As they are, they’re kinda unplayable. I don’t think I’ve ever beaten Red in these games. And Lance is another unfair roadblock. Grinding and big brained strats are options but I don’t feel like going through all the trouble.
unplayable? Come on now bruh 😭
@@JacobCruise I’m exaggerating but it’s the only Pokémon game I haven’t finished
@@tk24life Gotcha lol
The best Pokémon game of all time was my first and it still is barely topped. So every game has been a little disappointing for me.
I mean. I just think youre wrong.
The games have quite the issues. And people just gloss over them cause of Nostalgia glasses.
The best traditional Pokemon games are BW1/2. The quality, polish, uniqueness and fresh take on the traditional formula makes them just the peak. They are well crafted and well rounded games in pretty much every aspect. Games with alot of soul and love unlike anything in the franchise.
Buhu someone didn't have the same opinion as you , womp womp.
@@yaasinm He eventually put BW1/BW2 at top of the Pokemon Games. He came around. Unless there is no correlation to ''Peak'' and ''Best'' in this case.
0:00 Not really peak because pokemon black 2 and white 2 have to be the best gmaes out there...
i need to beat them
I want ports for the switch
I really do like what this remake and an Pokemon game in general brought to the table. But unfortunately IMO, this game is pretty underwhelming. The level curve, the lack of Johto mons and the rosters in general are really the games biggest flaw and it's an turn off for me. It also has some obnoxious pacing moments. Mostly anything with Team Rocket plot that felt wasted. And because this is an Gen. 4 engine, the battle or the game in general are pretty slow. Not as bad as the Sinnoh games were. But they are pretty close. So yeah. I have fond memories with this game. But as time goes on, it definitely felt dated and it is nowhere near peak for Pokemon. Personally, I think Gen. 5; more so with Black 2 & White 2, are peak Pokemon. Some might disagree. But that's how I feel.
What are your hopes for the next pokemon game?
gen 5 remakes as good as heartgold soulsilver or ORAS
@@JacobCruise i miss oras :(
THe levels were off. And just do a bit more variety. Xy exp share is a kid thing. Just fkn let people choose how hard the game should be
My biggest gripe with HG/SS is johto. The remakes overall are fun but the reason Johto brings it down is because the region as a whole feels like an empty husk compared to the rest.
Heartgold has a unique aura
you have a unique aura
Peak opinion
I find it odd the opinion was that leveling was a problem... I never played HG/SS as I wasn't into gen 3 much at all and the letdown after playing the hell out of G/S/C made me literally quit until Arceus/gen 9(I did play peripherals but never got a DS either).
But my understanding was these 2 games were exact copies+, basically better in every way... And personally Gold was the only game I got a natural level 100 Pigeot(started from a level 2 Pigey), all I really did training-wise was powertrained in the early area until he learned his first flying move(I think it was gust back then but IDR) then blitzed through Sprout tower with him and used him as my emergency Ringer until my Feraligator leveled... Training other pokemon and catching them asap until they reached final evolution before puting them in a box, he basically Soloed the league as I noticed he was like level 95 and achieved 100 beating them.
I'm not sure at all what kind of discrepancy accounts for the difference as at least in the original G/S XP All wasn't an automatic feature or one I used for him.
Peak comment
I'm playing three different versions of Soul Silver 2 rom hacks and normal rom
@@michaellane5381 long
@@Hbx3m-as-Himself basically I never had an issue leveling anything naturally in that original game, getting one pokemon to level 100 without candies or focus beyond a single near-solo run through of the Pokemon league, and XP All wasn't a thing.
I was not short of anything else for challenging other problems either with a decent starter also being a ringer while I trained many teams.
This melding of the 2D sprites with the 3D backdrops just really hits. These games were absolute gems.
I love how Gen5 does that even more.
Crazy how listening to fans opinion brought upon us Platinum, HGSS, and the Black and White series. This is also my favorite duo of all time. Nothing beats this experience, although i dont know for sure because i havent played B2W2 yet. Cost me a pretty penny to find a copy but ill get to it eventually before the 3DS servers shut down.
You should really, REALLY play B2W2. Life changing experience. Just emulate it!
I played White when it came out but waited until 3 years ago to get White 2. I was rewarded with one of the best games I've ever played!
Amazing games my favorites right after HGSS
I will always remember getting the original Pokemon gold on GBC for Christmas when I was 9. Still the best gift I ever got. It was the most amazing Pokemon game then, and heart gold is still the best ever Pokemon game to date.
I pray that ds hacking becomes more accessible so we can just keep improving on these already perfect games. This game means everything to me. Johto was my first Pokémon region, and to replay it as a teen with this much love and care was more than I can ask for. Not to mention it even dropped on my birthday
I really liked the mini games in Soul Silver. The athletic ones where u were your Pokemon. This was also the time where Typlosion didn't suppress his back flames :^(
Typhlosion got nerfed :(
Not to be rude but Johto is super boring literally any gen after is better than 1&2. The series did Peak with Gen 4 & stayed up till Gen 5. Gen 6 onwards aren’t bad, but the quality of life dropped dramatically. Scarlet/Violet did however bring it back so I’m hopeful gen 10 will be the best gen like plzzzz 😢
boring lol
The Switch hardware isn't as bad as the pokemon apologists claim it is. There's tons of different games that run wonderfully on the system.
However, the issue here is that TPC is shooting themselves on the foot (obligatory #FuckMasuda) by constantly pushing for yearly releases to then assign their most experienced developers to meaningless side projects like Little Town Hero. According to them is just so they don't "put all their eggs in one basket", as if Pokemon wasn't one of the most successful media franchise in the world already and as if Pokemon fans didn't just buy whatever has the Pokemon name on it.
good vid bro this era of pokemon games is definitely my favorite i've but in so many hours !
Love the games, my issue is the level curve. Cause how am I meant to be level 40 by the 8th gym when I'm fighting wild Pokémon in their level 20's
HGSS is definitely my favorite Pokemon game of all time for sure. Anybody that hasn't played original second gen wouldn't understand.
My only pain for the game is good ways to grind levels
Give these games (and all of Gen. 5) a competent translation/prose that doesn't look like it was spat out by Babelfish and maybe I might look upon them more positively.
I will have to say this is spicy opinion however Gen 5 was the peak of pokemon interms of story development, artistic styling. After playing the old gen 4 games, they seemed just generic pokemon games fun indeed but very template based.
yeah i agree tbh
My Gf was getting into ookemon, through GO. I bought a DS, and SS along with one of the Island ones. She said the graphics where too crappy. Never been more diaappointed.
She should spend more time playing it
@@Antonio_Dude nope. She refused. Only wanted to play the 3d games. So she played Sun. Then we broke up lol
@@JesseHenderson-xc2kg pretty sad to hear that mate...I must admit myself that I wasnt willing to play Emerald after I finished fire red but I enjoyed Platinum and rn im playing storm silver
it was the peak of the hardware to ambition ratio, gamefreak is suited to these kind lower power experiences so went the switch came and they had to push beyond that we lost an important charm that day.
where does someone get a modded 3ds or what other ways other than the normal DS can i play this game
Everyone always hyping Blk/wht 2 but forger about the ogs even the pokewalker was a beaut gameplay idea
5th gen also good, wish gen 5 has first party Pokémon following you behind.
Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver are still the GOAT 🔥
And goodness, no places other than the Elite Four to grind? It's so bad that I had to trade my team to Platinum to train them in order to send them back prepared for the Elite Four rematch and Red since Platinum has some decent grind methods with the Lucky Egg and certain spots to use the VS Seeker at. Why wasn't the VS Seeker in HGSS? There was no excuse...only the rare phone call from those few nobheads registered in your Pokégear. Can't even rematch them over and over again.
When Johto gets re-remakes, I hope they fix at least some of these flaws, especially the grinding. Nobody wants to spend 6 millions years battling level 30s-40s to prepare for Red.
Peakmon
Finally someone says what I have been thinking all the time. After the 4th generation, GameFreak has released only a few Pokemons with good design. The last game in the series that I consider successful is the X & Y series. But GameFreak really created perfection with the remake of HG & SS. To personally complete and honor this era, I tried to get a 5-star trainer pass on SS. I managed 4, but failed so many times with the 5th star that I let it go. Note: For the 5th star you have to win 100 duels in a row in the Duel Tower. My record was just under 60.
I do like this game a lot (especially the following feature), but i think it has some big flaws like the level curve you mentioned (and how there is no place to grind before the elite four at all), as well as the terrible selection of pokemon in johto. I mean its fine for playing it once, but i feel the replay value of HGSS is really bad with how little pokemon that dont suck complete ass you can actually catch (and evolve, since some evolution items are nigh impossible to get as well) in the region. They lock a ton of cool pokemon behind the postgame in Kanto as well for some dumbfounded reason.
I need crystal remade on the switch no shiny lock an emerald to an I don't want to play bdsp but if you remake platinum I'll play it even thought am ill wait for sun an moon x an y plus gen 10 hope that the end so you can put all your starters in one box ill wait for the switch 2 then I might buy pokemon home which is stupid would love a living dex I would shiny hunt like crazy
I remember getting Soul Silver on New Year's Eve 2010 "i think" and for me having the opportunity to replay a much reimagined and revamped gen 2 game was like revisiting my childhood days in a more mature perspective.
These remakes were one of the games i played the most back then alongside B&W in highschool and it was a blast, while B&W being trashed on release "which is a shame considering they were great" i had my fun with both.
Still have my Soul Silver copy with me with the Pokéwalker after all these years and that thing still looks brand new although i only used it once.
As much as I personally hold gen 5 to be the peak of Pokemon, I absolutely respect this point of view. Hgss is absolutely amazing.
Great times! I remember being totally shocked about the unlocked region.
You ever think of getting a steam deck? I love mine and I emulate all my favourite Pokémon games there along with Mario
perhapz
HGSS are not peak pokemon games in my opinion. They are arguably the worst remakes in the franchise. They didn't fix the level curve, gym leaders still use more Kanto than Johto pokemon, Houndour and others still found in Kanto, exp share being a single item was awful, HMs are a pain especially as they for some reason added Rock Climb which can't be used until we have all sixteen badges, etc.
all good criticism tbh
Ah yes I remember my aunt buying me my first Pokémon game. A pirated cartridge of Red Version back in 2000, worked perfectly on a non modded Gameboy Color. Excellent game. I did start Gold, Ruby and Pearl version but I think I'd had enough by then.
I played Crystal, fire red, sapphire, and now coming back as an adult for heart gold ❤️
I love how Gen 4/5 are considered the best by many
I personally like HGSS but it's far from the best imho
Johto just has way too many glaring flaws and setbacks for it to be considered a goat
gen 4 is not good.
The answer: they're not
you started with this game?!
Yeah and then fire red and then white
Excellent review. I agree with your description about passion within this game - the dev really tried here. Still my #1 childhood favorite. I'm glad you decided to talk about it brother!
Thanks for your time, subbed! 😎🍾🍻🌟
Btw, you should review all retro Pokémon games (assuming if you haven't already). This will grow your channel. Most people already played the games, they'll watch your videos just for nostalgia alone. 🤩
@@Mew_York_Kitty thanks! I’ve done Pokémon Fire red, HeartGold, Emerald, Platinum, Black, and Black 2. Taking a break from Pokemon to review some other games I’ve been wanting to do like Super Mario 64
@@JacobCruise just found out recently brother, I've saved all & plan on binge watching EVERY one of those 😎🍾🍻
@@JacobCruise yes it's good to take a break, focus on other games as well (especially other platform exclusives). You're a remarkable reviewer, use your skills & the channel will grow big. Try taking the same approach as those Pokémon reviews - people love your positive vibes.
Great video!
Thanks!
eghe eghe B2W2....
theyre definitely not peak. theyre completely ruined by the fucking garbage level scaling they didnt fix for some reason from the original games. that alone holds them back and makes them pointless to replay. the black and white series are by far peak.
RAHHHH
That’s not good enough for me to dislike the games.