Leafgreen. The second region was great to experience a playthrough with a non-starter from scratch, just like ash in anime. Edit: Also more logical and logic is something I am missing
I wouldn't mind a game with more regions, just so I can start anew in every one of them and collect lots of teams for a big challenge like emerald battle frontier
HG/SS for gameplay (2 regions) & B/W for the art style (animated sprites). But honestly, ALL are favorites of ours. I really wish GF didn't go full 3D, should've capped out at the 3DS era & focused more on expanding the regions & gameplay. Started playing Pokémon Emerald Crest (fan made open world game), this is what we should've received.
@@rpgquesterPokémon needs to create a new concept, that's the only way something would peak again. The original comment is 100% correct in regards to that style of Pokémon gaming, you can't peak again with the same concept. Look at anything over the last 100 years, the same thing hasn't peaked twice
Legends, Lets go and BDSP are great games. Legends needs the story telling of gen v. BDSP are litterally perfect remakes of D%P. Lets go is the needed link to pokemon go the mainline series needs. Legends should be the only open world pokemon games the mainline ones need to be 2d mixed with 3d like gen 5
@@societyisboringBD and SP are garbage. So was sword and shield, scarlet and violet and Legends. They're so braindead that it's not even worth playing anymore. Once I found out every pokemon gets exp from every battle and even just catching Pokemon in every game now, I quit. There's no sense of achievement whatsoever anymore. I completed the sword and shield Pokedex, and it meant nothing. Didn't even feel good.
@@johnnycaraltaBDSP is literally just the DS games with new coat of paint and exp share on all the time. It can only suck if Gen 4 sucks…. Which is does but I feel like you don’t believe that. Truth is this has been a problem for a while now. Gen 4 ran slow and was so bad it’s why it lasted 4 years and got delayed a year originally, Gen 3 doesn’t look as good as other GBA titles at the time to keep the size down and Gen 5 took advantage of the DS’s small screen for its shitty looking backgrounds so the game can run faster. The only difference now is it’s started to creep into shit you actually care about. I was so pissed at XY not having 3D outside of battle and Gen 7 removing it and triple battles entirely cause it would be too hard to make it run in time. But you average fanboys couldn’t care less about rotation battles in VR being standard on switch so why wouldn’t they instead keep the train rolling even id they had to remove more shit
@@masteroflag Right, and permanent exp share is what ruins the games more than anything. Did you even read my comment? I said the new games are ass. Also, average fanboy? I've been playing Pokemon since it came out in the US. I got blue shortly after release and have played every generation since, except for diamond and pearl. Gen 3 was arguably the best, but silver will always be my favorite. HG and SS are the only remakes that have been done right.
I would take a 2D HD pokemon any day compared to the current 3D offerings, however, if the 3D pokemon gets better animations, voice acting and overall world structure and story, then it wouldn't be bad. I still think Black and white were the pinnacle of pokemon overall
@jmantehguy nope no game has voice acting all the way to current games. complete laziness and lack of motivation from GameFreak. Greedy fucking company.
for the regis you have to "manage to translate braille" There was a translation chart in the booklet packaged with the game. It felt like a great puzzle back in 2003 when we, literally, connected the dots.
I can only speak about Gen 4 and 5 because those were the gens I grew up despite playing Gen 2 and Gen 3 later on.There was something about those gens specifically that proved how much of a great job Pokemon did with the graphics and quality of life, especially with how they handled Gen 5. It was the perfection of Pokemon and something that I wish they continued with the work ethic in the 3D era.
@@JacobCruise Probably just nostalgia speaking. I remember people who grew up with gens 1-3 used to have the same complaints when the gen V games were out about pokemon going downhill
2D was more magical in a way i cant explain. It might be the nostalgia, the nights i stayed up under my covers with pokemon pearl past my bedtime. The playground rumors when gen 5 came out. I remember my friend being convinced you could evolve mew into arceus with a shining stone of all things. I recently played through platinum again and in my honest opinion i feel the older games promote taking your time, stopping to smell the flowers. The lack of a team wide exp share lead to grinding to beat the tough gym leaders and elite 4 which in turn lead to getting more attached to your team. I still smile when i look in my boxes and see my original emboar from black, the first game i evet beat. Nothing really catches that magic for me ever since i played X and Y in my late childhood/early teens.
Not pokemon specific, just gaming before the internet. If there weren't a billion strategy guides and spoilers shoved in your mouth on release, it should be around the same
@@TrulyAtrocious I mean sure, but this was back in the gen 4-gen 6 era where a lot of what made the game fun for me was trading with other people online and doing gts battles too!
In pokemon Emerald, calling May/Brendan will always point you in the right direction for progression. She told me about Team Magma hanging around the Jagged Pass which was how I found the Magma Hideout (because that area somehow didn't get into ORAS).
Did people actually never knew this?? 😭😭 I always liked to call back on npcs to get cool dialogue ...maybe thats why i dropped the pokemon series and went for Megami Tensei, ,,, im more of a dialogue guy , which is may be the reason why my faves are BW , SunMoon and ScarViolet hahah
If they didn't stick the first 3 islands into the main game (although I think it's still optional?), I would honestly give it like a 9/10. Fantastic postgame
To be fair to flannery and wattson, they're actually quite scary if you didn't pick mudkip. Watson is a well known run killer for nuzlockes and flannery abuses sun + solarbeam and white herb + overheat for some explosive damage - as well as attract & body slam to cripple you.
Man what nostalgia as a 90’s baby. I’m a gen 2 fanatic but I’ve played the whole library of Gen 1-5. I “aged out” of Pokemon by the time Gen 6 came around but never got into the 3D craze. Love me old school Pokemon through and through.
Bro don’t do that. I can only imagine totem Pokémon or Pokémon like Ultra Necrozma or G-Max Eternatus in the boss portrait style of Octopath. And thinking about how sick it would be makes me hurt
Literally just had a convo with a guy who said the newer Shiny odds are better. I got a new copy of Scarlet, & I swear on my life, the VERY FIRST wild encounter was a Shiny Tarountula. It happened so fast I didn't even know it was Shiny until I saw another group & realized. His response was "Oh yeah cause it was SO much better to be forced to play 20 DS at once for weeks just to get 1 Shiny". Is anybody gonna tell him? 😂
@@atomdecayshiny hunter snobs are the worst. They will do just about ANYTHING to manipulate the shiny odds EXCEPT play the newer games cos "getting shinies is too easy" like my guy I have a job, require 8 hours of sleep, AND I have other hobbies.
Jynx isn't based on a racial stereotype. She is based on a mythical Japanese youkai, Yamanba, a mountain hag youkai. Jynx's overall design is also based on the Japanese Gyaru fashion scene given the long blonde hair and prominent red lips.
Delusional people nowadays tend to search for racism and such things everywhere, just to shout "That's racist!" and feel like guardians of the world, no matter context. Sick society.
@@JacobOman-qb1lm The usa is all about race. If it was really a free place with no discrimination, theyre would no pirely white or black people and native americans would have mixed in. Oh yeah that is what most of latin america is
@gaiusx287 It's the usual cycle of "Current gen bad, *insert generation here better*" bound with nostalgia. That being said BW never really were given a chance since it was the big thing to hate on. Give it time and suddenly we'll be talking about how X and Y weren't that bad, and then Sun and Moon in the years following that and so forth.
@tomnorton4277 Well we did have a certain president inside an insurrection when he didn't get his way. He also has a brainwashed son who will be attending a university with an opposing viewpoint to one of his father's
Jynx is not a racist stereotype. It's based on Ganguro, a Japanese beauty and fashion style developed in rebellion of traditional Japanese concepts of beauty.
Yes but there is a reason it was adjusted tbh. Its ok to display a buddhist swastika in most of asia with no issues, but youll rarely see that outside of actual temples in the western world.
@@Mothromancecos snowflake (read as ignorant) american parents complained instead of educating themselves. There has rarely if ever been a censorship to children's media that wasnt parents throwing a tantrum that didnt boil down to, "X should not teach my kids BLANK because thats my responsibility as a parent (although I will NEVER actually take on that responsibility), also the pastor told me that it was the devil's temptation."
"Gen 6" "Remembered well" I think someone has rose tinted glasses on, I got out of pokemon around the time and everyone said Gen 6 was a disappointment
Difficulty in pokemon games is a hard to determine because there are so many variables one has to account for. There are the number of pokemon you have access to at any point, the trainer levels, what pokemon they use, what moves they have, their ai, and of course, self-imposed challenges. You can't just make a team of the most OP pokemon, and then blame the game for being easy. But balancing that can be hard because if it were balanced as if everyone were using the steongest, then those who aren't are at a major disadvantage. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
Ive been playing Pokemon for 20 years. Gen 1-7, (skipped gen 8) and 9. The first and second gen remakes are better than the original. But i still like the original mostly due to nostalgia. I think a big part of perspectives taken in this can be based of nostalgia. If somebody who started 3-d then went back to red, it would be a different experience. Since i started from the beginning and kept moving forward, i just accepted that every generation made improvements from the last. But you can still enjoy every mainline pokemon game in my opinion. New and old
I think we need a new qualifier when talking about newer Pokémon games. When we say "Pokémon fans don't like the new 3d games" it should be "Older Pokémon game fans don't like the new 3d games" because there is an enormous number of new fans that are experiencing the Switch games in a way we "Pokémon Fan Classic" gamers don't have access to.
Pretty much, I pretty much just play bw2 and platinum on repeat. I got no issue with the new games, hell I loved PLA and watching Wolfe Glicks gen 9 tournaments. I think competitive Pokémon is the best it’s ever been. It’s just the games of my childhood are what keeps be drawn to the franchise. Even though I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with that last statement.
@@matt6619 Just saying kids with fresh eyes are seeing the games as something wholly new where as I can only experience them as a new version of something I've seen before. I repeat classic Blue at least once a year. 😅
Saying Emerald is underrated but is wild, everyone and their mother talks up Emerald and gen 3 in general. If anything, I feel Emerald has is slightly overrated
I literally don't believe people who say they beat the Battle Frontier as kids. I earned 2 Gold Symbols & it took at least a few days of sped-up EV Training & breeding for Egg Moves just to have a team that could actually win all those battles.
“No piece of dialogue hinted at this” like 5 seconds earlier “team rocket are sending out radio waves making Pokemon go crazy” it like blatantly tell you to. I figured it out when I was like 7 man.
Yeah it's hard for me to say it's felt anywhere near as good as 2D in recent generations. The original 2 games were obviously by far the most innovative. I can't even express how absolutely incredible Gold/Silver were when they first released. No one thought what they did was even possible on a Gameboy cart. Every old and new pokemon, two whole regions. I don't think a game in the series has come even close to the quality either. So much stuff in and out of either region. The day system just fucking worked and did so WITHOUT online play requirements. One of the few times in history I've seen such elaborate mechanics like that (Monster Hunter Dos' season system is the only other thing close, but even that game had online-only restrictions in places) in a game that's just STILL accessible/playable in full to this day. Just boot up, set your time/day and boom, just works. The hidden pokemon and day ladies were awesome with the time system, too. And I have personal nostalgia for Ruby/Sapphire because they were the first solid looking (SNES-like visuals) 2D games and the first I fully owned (instead of borrowing). Not to mention I just really like the music in 3rd gen so much. Plus the mons were all still good, mostly. Of course, 4th gen was really solid as well, and the remakes they made for both 1st and 2nd gen during this era were fantastic as well. HGSS recaptured a lot of what made the originals amazing, plus added more. I don't think they can ever recreate the spooky atmosphere of some caves and Team Rocket's lair from the original 2nd gen games, though. FireRed/LeafGreen made a really awesome sort of psuedo connection to 2nd gen, which was cool. And they still managed to maintain almost all of the original feel. Diamond and Pearl were nice, but Platinum really solidified those games for me, due to many major improvements to both visuals and gameplay stuff. I have some fondness for 5th gen (Black and White) due to having such a dramatically different style while feeling extremely polished. But unfortunately I just don't get into it as much anymore. And finally despite it being a 3D game, I actually have a soft spot for X/Y. For some reason it just felt solid to me? Idk, probably the most solid of all of the 3D games. I do like me some Scarlet/Violet, though, still. But uh... I have to emulate it to make it not run like poo poo.
One of my favorite things about the old games is how fast-paced they can be. Even though Hoenn is a huge waterpark, it really doesn't take very long to navigate through it if you just hold right. I genuinely believe SM could be one of the best Pokemon games, but the game stops you at every possible opportunity with filler/tutorial cutscenes, or to give you an item you definitely won't need or to show off a feature you probably won't use. These games are charmingly stylish. In locations, music, and characterization. Stopping me from seeing more and filling that gap with Hau-Hopman telling me how cool I am is insufferable.
23:43 man this hits hard. Im literally currently packing to move into my new apartment. My first time ever moving out. What you said is definitely true lol, glad to see others are going through the same though.
@@KoopstaKliccaHated in the community? When?..😂 I’ve been playing since 2005, multiple ROM hacks and community boards. It’s the most patched and hacked Pokémon game out there. Nothing like Gen 3 as a kid.
@@samkoani This is a bot comment. R/S/E were all hated when they first came out. Appreciation and love came slow to those games. You can literally look up hate threads from 15 years ago about them
Favourite : Fire Red . Edit : You could beat Brock with Charmander's Metal Claw if Rock Tomb keeps missing . Edit Again : Mega Kick is a Normal type move and it can't be used on a Ghost unless you use certain moves to identify it . The point is , Marowak is dead & is a ghost , yet Mega Kick can be used on it . 😂
Really, HeartGold and SoulSilver are unironically some of the best games, and you weren't blinded by nostalgia; is the level scaling annoying?y es, but the worldbuilding, the focus on exploration with actually fleshed out areas that separate towns and cities apart, the folklore that makes it feel like a lived in world and how plenty of the characters are actually quite fleshed out and interesting (Silver, Lance, Claire, Jasmine, Blue (who gets a ton of development) makes the game fantastic despite the flaws.
I feel like FireRed / LeafGreen has serious staying power compared to many of the other pre gen-6 games for multiple reasons. Because it runs on Gameboy platform vs DS, it is far easier to emulate and also replicate in non-emulation Pokemon games. Being a Generation 1 remake, it's widely recognized: anybody who watched the original Pokemon anime are familiar with the Pokemon, gym leaders, and rival, this makes the game exceptionally compelling. Finally, the graphics are a big step up from Generation 1 and Generation 2. Don't get me wrong, Generation 2 is stunning, but Generation 3 is really the foundation of all following games.
What a stupid question. The first 5 gens are much better games, doesn't matter how they looked. When will developers realize that most people doesn't care about graphics, gamers care about gaming.
Leaf Green is my favorite Pokemon. I play it every year. The newer generations insult the intelligence of the players who’ve been involved with the series for a while. 24 years of following along. Being told where to go, exp share, constant dialogue that hinders progress and few others. It’s a shame. Think XY was the last enjoyable experience and I got my whole team to level 100.
I dunno why TH-cam has suddenly started recommending videos from channels with under 1K views, but damn I'm happy with this one. Your video is very detailed, thought out and expressed earnestly. I appriciate hearing your thoughts on games you enjoyed in a unique way as a child but have to view from new lenses as an adult. I resonated a lot with what you had to say and would definitely look forward to more content like this🤩 And to join in on the fun, here are my favorites games from the ones you reviewed (note I still enjoy them all) 1. Black and White 2 2. HGSS 3. Black and White 4. Emerald 5. Platinum 6. FRLG
Probably because the impending demise of mrbeast, maybe youtube thought that content that target to mostly underage are not the best way for youtube going forward.
@@TheAdventuretrainerRuby I knew something fishy about that guy the first time I watched his video. Imagine having to spend all that money just so you could just made pretty interesting thumbnail but really boring videos. It didn't sit me well the way the tried to bribe the pizza eating expert to pass off as funny gags.
@@haroldnecmann7040 To be fair TH-cam's been pushing out small channels for a while now probably this whole year, the algorithm is finally working for everyone as opposed to for the chosen few it would seem
Pokemon used to feel like an adventure and something to explore, now it feels like one of those rides where u are in a car that is on a set track while u move a stearing wheel that controls nothing
@@albinocj969 Yeah idk when the consensus decided that Black/White were good games, because they absolutely destroyed my desire to ever play a Pokemon game again. GameFreak themselves did a soft reboot after B/W, so obviously they knew the games had gone south too. To be honest, I'd even go as far as to say Diamond & Pearl ruined the series. There is just way too much nonsense subterfuge & not nearly enough straightforward exploration. Remember when you would get a new HM, & then remember "Oh wait, wasn't there water next to my house in New Bark Town?" so you Fly home, Surf, then the reality hits you that YOU ARE IN KANTO BABY & the ENTIRE GEN 1 MAP is now open for you to explore. Pokemon will never hit a high like that again. It just isn't possible. Who cares if Z-A has the X&Y map in it? X&Y were sub par at best. Nobody remembers or knows those games nearly as well as the first 3 Gens, for a reason. Pokemon should have stopped at Gen 3. I know we probably wouldn't have newer games, but Mario didn't have to create a new plumber every 2 years. Zelda didn't have to create a new hero every 2 years. We should still be seeing Hoenn based games & products. Pokemon is just a faint shadow of its former self & will never be able to regain that magic that it once had.
The issue with the 3D pokemon is because they are really underwhelming proportional to other games of their time. The 2D games all were released when there were other big games that also looked like them, so they didn't look that out of place. But Sword and Shield literally could have been on the game cube.
Gen 2-4 is where the series peaked. Lets not forget about the well made 3D games such as Colosseum and XD for the gamecube and Pokemon Battle Revolution for the Wii. That was an era of pokemon that could not be matched.
haven't watched the Video yet, but i wanna through this out. i recently modded my 3ds and got to experience pokemon emerald for the first time. and it was way more enjoyable then pokemon sword when i played that. Pokemon just feels like a 2d game more than 3d
3D Graphics does not work with Pokemon's battle system. Pokemon is more like a card game than an actual based game, which is why 2D graphics push and complement the positive aspects about Pokemon like greed for catching pokemons, the hype for leveling them up and all the adventures and storytelling much more. 3D Graphics do fit an action based Pokemon game, but not a trainer game.
Generation IV is where pokemon games changed forever. Introducing online competitive battling, A synced clock system, and the physical / special split. Also sprites look way cooler than the 3D models. (R.I.P the battle frontier)
A bit of a cop out to just skip gen 1 and 2 altogether in favour of their remakes. Sure they're still technically 2d games but is it really a fair appraisal of those generations if you're ignoring the original games?
@@Thanatosdan they have their problems sure and may be antiquated by comparison to newer games, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they're unbearable or unplayable.
Yeah, that really disappointed me and felt weird since this is a review of 2D Pokemon and it's skipping basically 2/5 of it, 2/8 if you count to remakes and sequel entries, which is still 25% of the 2D series. They also have some of the most unique play because of their design. Like Gen 1's crit mechanics and single special stat make it feel super different from later games. And the level-up curve of base gen 2 was even worse than the remakes, but Crystal had a pretty unique flare and it's cool that the legendary Pokemon could be totally ignored in these games as completely optional unless you just so happened to run into one of the roaming legendary beasts. The remakes were also post moves getting the physical/special split, so it can feel really different to play from the remake.
This is such a quaint video for me as someone who grew up with Pokemon a little earlier than you did. Hearing someone say that Emerald and Platinum are underrated definitely makes me chuckle, but it's genuinely really cool to see how newer fans who haven't committed all of Bulbapedia to memory or nuzlocked every game in the series are taking the time to appreciate the whole catalog of games. Good job
Not that you asked for it but if you want unsolicited criticism from me I would say the parts where you recap the games moment by moment felt like unnecessary padding and made me stop watching. I feel like recapping the games is not necessary to answer the thesis statement of the video, that being the title, and the video would’ve been stronger had it been more focused. I’m sure this video will get picked up by the algorithm though due to the title being solid so good luck and hope you see success!
2d games seemed to have more heart. The jump to 3D became more corporate and so the flaws took precedence. 2D games continuously added to eachother so in the next game you can imagine either your favorite things changed in new innovative ways, or more depth in the game. Gen 6 they did continue to add, but the things added just made the game easy and therefore quick. Sun and moon starts to feel disconnected between islands, and then finally the change to a console made expectations to be everything we once had and more but instead we ended up with hallway like design, the elimination of “catching ‘em all” and even no elite 4. The wild area is only open because the other routes were so closed off. The wild area was like 3 routes with openness but hardly any exploration.
I also have not played the most recent games and believe the dlc’s of these games should be looked at like legends arceus. It’s a different game and should not be how you judge the game but rather the generation. So with the DLC’s a full generation feels more filled out now then before. I have only watched and played on other’s scarlet and violet. I don’t think their open world has enough exploration, and has weird pathing. It’s not awful, just the game could’ve been more limited in scope or vertical to make exploration feel better. The biggest flag I found was no interiors. There are no points of interest for that reason, the lack of dungeons and mandatory trainers makes the game feel hollow. It feels like a bag of lays, 50% air but the chips taste good
What’s funny is, there is no consensus on what makes a Pokémon game good. Because if we’re looking at them relative to the industry, they’ve always been bad to average. And if we keep this rule, then pokémon has been slowly improving over the years. Scarlet and Violet are definitely the best Pokémon games ever. If not, everyone can come up with their own set of rules and apply their own taste and - let’s just admit it - their nostalgia. It’s funny seeing so many people and content creators apply this second set of rules as if they are objective.
Thank you for this comment. I stopped playing Pokemon in Generation 3 because I felt I was too old to still play Pokemon, but I came back in Gen 8 during the whole dexit bs and that game is MUCH better than Emerald. Gen 9 is fantastic and I don't need to go back and play the gens I missed to know that. Also really excited for Megas to be coming back with the next Legends game.
I dont know what the game industry looks like in your world but here on earth this doesn't add up to reality. Pokemon on the gba and ds in relation to other jrpg's on those consoles certainly lives up to the rest of the game industry. Then starts to fall behind once it made it to the 3ds
incredible video, i wish this was seen more, used this while doing a project and barely got anything done because the way you present things is very entertaining, please make more videos and i will be there
yes, it was. this headline doesn't make any sense and wants to be controversial for clickbait but it doesn't gain interest though it in my opinion because it would be a ridiculous take if you'd say the 2D games were bad.
Yeah the title is clickbait, duh. That’s just the name of the game on the internet. You pretty much have to clickbait on YT or people won’t click on your video. It’s also just disingenuous to say the creator definitively said the 2D games are bad when the title is not even a statement. It’s a question, a question that the creator then proceeds to explore in the video itself.
Black & White has the best endgame moment. You are battling through your typical Elite Four until N summoned a fricking castle interrupting your champion battle.
Honestly would’ve made for a better video, and the title would actually work. Everyone knows the 2D games are better, but 3D has a lot more split opinions. I like Gen 6 and find some aspects in Gen 8 charming. I can’t stand replaying Gen 7 or 9 though.
I have a soft spot for X&Y. I wouldn't say they're anything special, and absolutely laughably easy, but for the most part, I enjoyed myself. Haven't played gen 7, but the fact that gens 8 and 9 are held together by spit as glue is honestly unacceptable. Absolutely broken ass games that do not work as intended.
I'm tired of hearing this. No the 5th gen designs overall were pretty uninspired, the low points just being the worst, and a point of critique for modern standards involving Gen 5 at the time. This is not an overall trend rhaf improved with time. Comparing to old games no less, where no one ever complained about Muk. Pure strawman and coping by the gen 5 defenders. I'll fully admit to being wrong for being on the hate train back then, since these games were still excellent and arguably even peak, design criticisms not withstanding and not improving in subsequent gens. Not to mention that as "standalone games" BW have a weaker roster, period. This defense does not work when BW2 rectified the issue with a better local dex and more post game content to use post game mons in. It's 2024 and people with seeming entry level knowledge still promote the Jinx talking point its so annoying. All this time and effort and not even the most bare minimum of research into one of the most well known early Pokemon that was altered. A generation of Pokemon content just wasted.
Oh yeah. Every Pokemon generation has had good and bad designs, but they just got worse as the series went on, and 5 might have been the first gen where the bad out weighed the good.
I’m lowkey jealous you’re experiencing some of these games for the first time. Emerald is so near and dear to me that playing it for the first time would actually fulfill me
Not even a mention of facing off with Trainer Red at the top of Mt. Silver? That was one of the coolest moments in video game history for me till this day.
What the hell even is this video title? "Were one of the highest selling group of video games in history good?" Who tf ever said 2D Pokemon games werent good? That isnt the consensus, nobody ever says that. The newer games are trash, obviously, so it seems like maybe you got a bit mixed up.
Idk, the first two gens were just god awful, gen 3 was still mechanically bad (seriously, the split should have been in the original game, it's insane that anyone thought it was alright to ship without it), gen 5 had bad Pokemon designs, and the games over all are not as good as people pretend.
@@comyuse9103 It sounds like you just aren't a Pokémon fan lol. Not that you have some you like & some you don't like as much, just that you straight up do not like anything Pokémon related, especially if you think Gens 1-3 were "god awful".
@@atomdecay not being a 'fan' just means i can judge the series more objectively. only gen 1 and 2 (any maybe the latest gens i suppose) were _that_ bad and that was because they were primitive games on primitive systems, and 3 was very much improved, just not enough to be where it should be. i like pokemon, the side games are fun, the fan games are fun, its gamefreak that i detest.
@@comyuse9103 I mean you are literally saying that you don't like any of the mainline Pokémon games, nor do you like the company who makes them. Like imagine if I said "I'm a Guns n Roses fan, I just hate listening to every single song they've ever made, but I like this one cover I heard on TH-cam." At that point I'm objectively just not a fan of Guns n Roses. You are quite literally saying you DO NOT LIKE any Pokémon games except hacks & spinoffs, in which spinoffs don't play like regular Pokémon games & are just reskins of existing games, like Pokémon Pinball is just Pinball with Pokémon skin. I really think you just aren't a fan of Pokémon lol. & no, being someone who totally dislikes the entire series does not mean you're more qualified to judge them objectively. I personally really enjoy the first 2 gens of Pokémon, not just because I played them when I was little, nor from any bias. I am playing Pokémon Green as we speak, & am fully enjoying the entire experience. Unless you're actively looking for bugs, they aren't as broken as people like to say. They aren't "primitive", this isn't an Atari 2600 game dude. They were incredibly ahead of their time, & managed to fit legendary games onto Gameboy cartridges, something even the Super Mario team couldn't do. You just don't like Pokémon lol. That's all there is to it.
@@comyuse9103 I mean you literally just said "I can judge them objectively" as if anyone's opinions of art can be objective. That sentence contradicts itself in 5 words.
I actually didn't like black and white 2 that much because they felt too similar to black and white 1. Its funny, when I played the sequel I realized I didn't care about not being able to use pkmn from past generations anymore lol. That revelation made me honestly.... not care about the sword and shield controversy at all. There are other faults with s&s and imo not having a full dex is the least of my worries since I stopped caring about living dexes after the first 2 generations.
If you make a 2d game, players expect a 2d-standard game. If you make a 3d game, players expect a 3d-standard game. I don't think the later games are fundamentally worse they just didn't dramatically improve or really use 3 dimensions so they get bagged on. Also, played since gen 1, and the gen 1 games were objectively bad games that are just packed with nostalgia.
Oh god. I'm 14 but emerald was my first game. I found an emulator online and just played it all to keep myself occupied over lockdown. The nostalgia is crazy
The 2D Pokemon Era just enabled your Brain to imagine beyond the Borders of your Gameboy. I felt like they were more immersive which sounds crazy considering the huge gain in Functionality over the years. Maybe when we get older we cant imagine us anymore flying on a Dragoran.💔
I mean Gen 4- Gen 5 , especially the run of Platinum - HGSS - BW & B2W2... is such an incredible run of games! This was Pokémon games at their peak , even if the Formula remained mainly the same
My favorite game of all time is pokemon emerald, but HG/SS are probably the best pokemon games ever made. Gen 5 is an acquired taste, specifically due to N's story being contrary to the very themes of pokemon and the gen 5 designs being fairly mid in comparison to what came before. Gen 6 was ok mostly because we got a hoenn remake, but gens 7+ are just god awful.
The biggest issue with 3D Pokemon is they make the exact same game as 2D Pokemon. Being 3D adds nothing to it. Gamefreak has been making the same game since I was 5 years old
Platinum is my favorite, for its flaws; the sheer quality and variety throughout platinum; its selection, battles, and side content makes it all worth it. My favorite play through of any pokemon game was a platinum nuzlocke, That run truly felt like a journey.
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What is your favorite 2D era Pokemon game? Let me know in the comments below!!! 😄
Pokémon Black and White 2
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Leafgreen. The second region was great to experience a playthrough with a non-starter from scratch, just like ash in anime.
Edit: Also more logical and logic is something I am missing
I wouldn't mind a game with more regions, just so I can start anew in every one of them and collect lots of teams for a big challenge like emerald battle frontier
HG/SS for gameplay (2 regions) & B/W for the art style (animated sprites).
But honestly, ALL are favorites of ours. I really wish GF didn't go full 3D, should've capped out at the 3DS era & focused more on expanding the regions & gameplay.
Started playing Pokémon Emerald Crest (fan made open world game), this is what we should've received.
2D was the best. The artwork in 2D was far better than 3D.
Agreed
In my opinion, it's the colour. This is the biggest loss from the jump from 2D to 3D
@JacobCruise don't kno wut u were even thinkin makin this video, homie. u jus wasted hours of ur life to make this. u let us all down. ur a failure.
The 3D games are better. Not a single 2D Pokemon game is good anymore
@@eliaseraguirre4750 There’s a reason the 2D games are more coveted and pricey. The community disagrees.
2008-2012. HGSS, Platinum, BW & B2W2. We will never see PEAK like this again
I mean unless you can predict the future that's just not true
@@rpgquesterjudging from trends in the latest entries it’s a very safe assumption
@@rpgquesterPokémon needs to create a new concept, that's the only way something would peak again. The original comment is 100% correct in regards to that style of Pokémon gaming, you can't peak again with the same concept. Look at anything over the last 100 years, the same thing hasn't peaked twice
get bw1 outta there and yeah i agree
I’m so grateful that I got to experience my whole childhood with the first 5 generations. Everything after just looks and feels stale.
The DS era WAS and still IS the glory days of Pokémon
Pokémon staggered in quality since 2013 and have kept dropping since
Legends, Lets go and BDSP are great games. Legends needs the story telling of gen v. BDSP are litterally perfect remakes of D%P. Lets go is the needed link to pokemon go the mainline series needs. Legends should be the only open world pokemon games the mainline ones need to be 2d mixed with 3d like gen 5
@@societyisboring Only Legends is good on the ones you mentioned.
@@societyisboringBD and SP are garbage. So was sword and shield, scarlet and violet and Legends. They're so braindead that it's not even worth playing anymore. Once I found out every pokemon gets exp from every battle and even just catching Pokemon in every game now, I quit. There's no sense of achievement whatsoever anymore. I completed the sword and shield Pokedex, and it meant nothing. Didn't even feel good.
@@johnnycaraltaBDSP is literally just the DS games with new coat of paint and exp share on all the time. It can only suck if Gen 4 sucks…. Which is does but I feel like you don’t believe that.
Truth is this has been a problem for a while now.
Gen 4 ran slow and was so bad it’s why it lasted 4 years and got delayed a year originally,
Gen 3 doesn’t look as good as other GBA titles at the time to keep the size down and Gen 5 took advantage of the DS’s small screen for its shitty looking backgrounds so the game can run faster.
The only difference now is it’s started to creep into shit you actually care about.
I was so pissed at XY not having 3D outside of battle and Gen 7 removing it and triple battles entirely cause it would be too hard to make it run in time.
But you average fanboys couldn’t care less about rotation battles in VR being standard on switch so why wouldn’t they instead keep the train rolling even id they had to remove more shit
@@masteroflag Right, and permanent exp share is what ruins the games more than anything.
Did you even read my comment? I said the new games are ass. Also, average fanboy? I've been playing Pokemon since it came out in the US. I got blue shortly after release and have played every generation since, except for diamond and pearl. Gen 3 was arguably the best, but silver will always be my favorite. HG and SS are the only remakes that have been done right.
I think 1 hour and 26 minutes is the longest way I've ever seen someone say, "yes" in a while.
I would take a 2D HD pokemon any day compared to the current 3D offerings, however, if the 3D pokemon gets better animations, voice acting and overall world structure and story, then it wouldn't be bad. I still think Black and white were the pinnacle of pokemon overall
Facts
Did sun and moon or SwSh have voice acting? I’ve played every other generation and I don’t remember any of them having voice acting.
@jmantehguy nope no game has voice acting all the way to current games. complete laziness and lack of motivation from GameFreak. Greedy fucking company.
@@ahassani yeah it really bothers me that even the switch games dont have voice. It really is just pure laziness from them.
yeah bw2 are the best looking pokemon games by a longshot and they have a style similar to hd 2d
for the regis you have to "manage to translate braille"
There was a translation chart in the booklet packaged with the game. It felt like a great puzzle back in 2003 when we, literally, connected the dots.
The entire braille alphabet is also in the cave that starts the quest
I just looked online while i was at school
@@NexusVFD Oh I used the manual and did it with my mum, but we tried to solve the alphabet room first by reading all the tablets
Back when pokemon didnt patronize you as hard as it does now
I loved solving it with my friend, really felt like unraveling a mystery
Yes, but people tend to ignore their flaws.
A lot of that had to do with the fact they were on handhelds so they were given more leeway
The best response here is
Depends on what you define as flaws
Not really. Stuff like DP being slow & having no fire types, HGSS level curve are brought up constantly.
@PatchesNjose Johto is true but platinum's existence clouds gen 4's issues for alot of people.
I can only speak about Gen 4 and 5 because those were the gens I grew up despite playing Gen 2 and Gen 3 later on.There was something about those gens specifically that proved how much of a great job Pokemon did with the graphics and quality of life, especially with how they handled Gen 5. It was the perfection of Pokemon and something that I wish they continued with the work ethic in the 3D era.
facts dude
Qol is better in every entry after gen V. Also not sure what work ethic and qol have to do with each other
@@JacobCruise Probably just nostalgia speaking. I remember people who grew up with gens 1-3 used to have the same complaints when the gen V games were out about pokemon going downhill
They abandoned 2D Pokemon as soon as they got it perfect...
@@gaiusx287 they said that because the first gen 5 game had pretty much 0 old pokemon, and "hurr durr ice cream trash bag pokemon"
2D was more magical in a way i cant explain. It might be the nostalgia, the nights i stayed up under my covers with pokemon pearl past my bedtime. The playground rumors when gen 5 came out. I remember my friend being convinced you could evolve mew into arceus with a shining stone of all things. I recently played through platinum again and in my honest opinion i feel the older games promote taking your time, stopping to smell the flowers. The lack of a team wide exp share lead to grinding to beat the tough gym leaders and elite 4 which in turn lead to getting more attached to your team. I still smile when i look in my boxes and see my original emboar from black, the first game i evet beat. Nothing really catches that magic for me ever since i played X and Y in my late childhood/early teens.
Not pokemon specific, just gaming before the internet. If there weren't a billion strategy guides and spoilers shoved in your mouth on release, it should be around the same
@@TrulyAtrocious I mean sure, but this was back in the gen 4-gen 6 era where a lot of what made the game fun for me was trading with other people online and doing gts battles too!
@@TrulyAtrociousgod i wish the culture around gaming was less atrocious. We could be so much better.
In pokemon Emerald, calling May/Brendan will always point you in the right direction for progression. She told me about Team Magma hanging around the Jagged Pass which was how I found the Magma Hideout (because that area somehow didn't get into ORAS).
Woah I had no idea you could do that actually dang 😭
That's great, I got lost so many times in Platinum and wished it had a clue system.
Wait really? This changes everything
Did people actually never knew this?? 😭😭
I always liked to call back on npcs to get cool dialogue
...maybe thats why i dropped the pokemon series and went for Megami Tensei, ,,, im more of a dialogue guy , which is may be the reason why my faves are BW , SunMoon and ScarViolet hahah
I never see people play the post game sevii islands in fire red, those were so much fun growing up. Felt like an expansion to red and blue
If they didn't stick the first 3 islands into the main game (although I think it's still optional?), I would honestly give it like a 9/10. Fantastic postgame
I can confirm, the first three isles are optional and you can enter the hall of fame without ever see them@@Sad-Lesbian
To be fair to flannery and wattson, they're actually quite scary if you didn't pick mudkip. Watson is a well known run killer for nuzlockes and flannery abuses sun + solarbeam and white herb + overheat for some explosive damage - as well as attract & body slam to cripple you.
Double kick go brr
Man what nostalgia as a 90’s baby. I’m a gen 2 fanatic but I’ve played the whole library of Gen 1-5. I “aged out” of Pokemon by the time Gen 6 came around but never got into the 3D craze. Love me old school Pokemon through and through.
We NEED a Pokémon game with Octopath Traveler art
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That would actually be pretty sick. I loved the art style of that game.
We really don’t lol maybe for a gen V remake. We need good 3D models
Bro don’t do that. I can only imagine totem Pokémon or Pokémon like Ultra Necrozma or G-Max Eternatus in the boss portrait style of Octopath. And thinking about how sick it would be makes me hurt
Isnt there a rom hack that revamps the graphics of Pokémon emerald to a style similar to that?
17:30 You literally get a phone call and get directly told to visit the radio tower 😂
@@The_Natalist they must have dialed the wrong number
Why would they explain what you need to do? You just explore the map and figure it out by yourself. Thats what we did as kids.
Literally just had a convo with a guy who said the newer Shiny odds are better. I got a new copy of Scarlet, & I swear on my life, the VERY FIRST wild encounter was a Shiny Tarountula. It happened so fast I didn't even know it was Shiny until I saw another group & realized. His response was "Oh yeah cause it was SO much better to be forced to play 20 DS at once for weeks just to get 1 Shiny".
Is anybody gonna tell him? 😂
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@@atomdecayshiny hunter snobs are the worst. They will do just about ANYTHING to manipulate the shiny odds EXCEPT play the newer games cos "getting shinies is too easy" like my guy I have a job, require 8 hours of sleep, AND I have other hobbies.
@@NexusVFDIt ruins the appeal though. It's like buying Pokemon cards now. Getting an EX used to be a big deal, but now it literally means nothing.
@@johnnycaralta it's literally just pixels and paper, it never meant anything
Jynx isn't based on a racial stereotype.
She is based on a mythical Japanese youkai, Yamanba, a mountain hag youkai. Jynx's overall design is also based on the Japanese Gyaru fashion scene given the long blonde hair and prominent red lips.
Delusional people nowadays tend to search for racism and such things everywhere, just to shout "That's racist!" and feel like guardians of the world, no matter context. Sick society.
That basically means that the people who say that are racists themselves. I never looked at jynx like that, but they do.
@@JacobOman-qb1lm
The usa is all about race. If it was really a free place with no discrimination, theyre would no pirely white or black people and native americans would have mixed in. Oh yeah that is what most of latin america is
As a Gen 1 veteran, I assure you, 2D era Pokemon is the peak of the series, specifically Gen 5.
Gen 4* the best imo
Probably just nostalgia speaking. I remember people used to have the same complaints when the gen V games were out about pokemon going downhill
@@gaiusx287I remember how much people complained about the “pixelated sprites looking bad” and the Pokémon designs being unoriginal
For me it peak at Gen2. Being an 11 year old in 2000 was awesome 👍, that Gameboy Colour of mine swapped more batteries than a hooker does underwear.
@gaiusx287
It's the usual cycle of "Current gen bad, *insert generation here better*" bound with nostalgia.
That being said BW never really were given a chance since it was the big thing to hate on.
Give it time and suddenly we'll be talking about how X and Y weren't that bad, and then Sun and Moon in the years following that and so forth.
It’s crazy how Ghetsis and Team plasma echo the political landscape of modern day America. They really fleshed out the villains of that generation.
Real stuff
The question is, who's Ghetsis in the real world? Heck, who's N in the real world for that matter?
@@tomnorton4277 No idea about Ghetsis but N is PETA lol
@tomnorton4277 Well we did have a certain president inside an insurrection when he didn't get his way. He also has a brainwashed son who will be attending a university with an opposing viewpoint to one of his father's
i wonder would N be a pokemon ranger?
Jynx is not a racist stereotype. It's based on Ganguro, a Japanese beauty and fashion style developed in rebellion of traditional Japanese concepts of beauty.
"Murican" 🍺 🦅🇺🇸🇺🇲
lol nah
Yes but there is a reason it was adjusted tbh. Its ok to display a buddhist swastika in most of asia with no issues, but youll rarely see that outside of actual temples in the western world.
@@Mothromancecos snowflake (read as ignorant) american parents complained instead of educating themselves. There has rarely if ever been a censorship to children's media that wasnt parents throwing a tantrum that didnt boil down to, "X should not teach my kids BLANK because thats my responsibility as a parent (although I will NEVER actually take on that responsibility), also the pastor told me that it was the devil's temptation."
@@dreamgood130you're fundamentally dense and can't comprehend how cultures outside of your own operate
"Gen 6"
"Remembered well"
I think someone has rose tinted glasses on, I got out of pokemon around the time and everyone said Gen 6 was a disappointment
@@The_Natalist my glasses are not tinted
Difficulty in pokemon games is a hard to determine because there are so many variables one has to account for. There are the number of pokemon you have access to at any point, the trainer levels, what pokemon they use, what moves they have, their ai, and of course, self-imposed challenges. You can't just make a team of the most OP pokemon, and then blame the game for being easy. But balancing that can be hard because if it were balanced as if everyone were using the steongest, then those who aren't are at a major disadvantage. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
Ive been playing Pokemon for 20 years. Gen 1-7, (skipped gen 8) and 9. The first and second gen remakes are better than the original. But i still like the original mostly due to nostalgia. I think a big part of perspectives taken in this can be based of nostalgia. If somebody who started 3-d then went back to red, it would be a different experience. Since i started from the beginning and kept moving forward, i just accepted that every generation made improvements from the last. But you can still enjoy every mainline pokemon game in my opinion. New and old
Emerald is goated. But I still loved my recent play through of alpha sapphire
It's objectively better than 3D
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I think we need a new qualifier when talking about newer Pokémon games. When we say "Pokémon fans don't like the new 3d games" it should be "Older Pokémon game fans don't like the new 3d games" because there is an enormous number of new fans that are experiencing the Switch games in a way we "Pokémon Fan Classic" gamers don't have access to.
Pretty much, I pretty much just play bw2 and platinum on repeat. I got no issue with the new games, hell I loved PLA and watching Wolfe Glicks gen 9 tournaments. I think competitive Pokémon is the best it’s ever been. It’s just the games of my childhood are what keeps be drawn to the franchise. Even though I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with that last statement.
@@matt6619 Just saying kids with fresh eyes are seeing the games as something wholly new where as I can only experience them as a new version of something I've seen before. I repeat classic Blue at least once a year. 😅
Saying Emerald is underrated but is wild, everyone and their mother talks up Emerald and gen 3 in general. If anything, I feel Emerald has is slightly overrated
I literally don't believe people who say they beat the Battle Frontier as kids. I earned 2 Gold Symbols & it took at least a few days of sped-up EV Training & breeding for Egg Moves just to have a team that could actually win all those battles.
The limitation of the gameboy advance made the pokemon games more compelling and fun because the creators needed to use more of their creativity.
Emerald,Diamond, Fire Red and B1 B2 we're some of the most fun I've ever had playing Pokemon!
“No piece of dialogue hinted at this” like 5 seconds earlier “team rocket are sending out radio waves making Pokemon go crazy” it like blatantly tell you to. I figured it out when I was like 7 man.
@@thomasfoster7641 poop
i used to think emerald e4 was hard until i learned you can get through it with one linoone
Yeah it's hard for me to say it's felt anywhere near as good as 2D in recent generations. The original 2 games were obviously by far the most innovative. I can't even express how absolutely incredible Gold/Silver were when they first released. No one thought what they did was even possible on a Gameboy cart. Every old and new pokemon, two whole regions. I don't think a game in the series has come even close to the quality either. So much stuff in and out of either region. The day system just fucking worked and did so WITHOUT online play requirements. One of the few times in history I've seen such elaborate mechanics like that (Monster Hunter Dos' season system is the only other thing close, but even that game had online-only restrictions in places) in a game that's just STILL accessible/playable in full to this day. Just boot up, set your time/day and boom, just works. The hidden pokemon and day ladies were awesome with the time system, too.
And I have personal nostalgia for Ruby/Sapphire because they were the first solid looking (SNES-like visuals) 2D games and the first I fully owned (instead of borrowing). Not to mention I just really like the music in 3rd gen so much. Plus the mons were all still good, mostly.
Of course, 4th gen was really solid as well, and the remakes they made for both 1st and 2nd gen during this era were fantastic as well. HGSS recaptured a lot of what made the originals amazing, plus added more. I don't think they can ever recreate the spooky atmosphere of some caves and Team Rocket's lair from the original 2nd gen games, though. FireRed/LeafGreen made a really awesome sort of psuedo connection to 2nd gen, which was cool. And they still managed to maintain almost all of the original feel. Diamond and Pearl were nice, but Platinum really solidified those games for me, due to many major improvements to both visuals and gameplay stuff.
I have some fondness for 5th gen (Black and White) due to having such a dramatically different style while feeling extremely polished. But unfortunately I just don't get into it as much anymore.
And finally despite it being a 3D game, I actually have a soft spot for X/Y. For some reason it just felt solid to me? Idk, probably the most solid of all of the 3D games. I do like me some Scarlet/Violet, though, still. But uh... I have to emulate it to make it not run like poo poo.
One of my favorite things about the old games is how fast-paced they can be. Even though Hoenn is a huge waterpark, it really doesn't take very long to navigate through it if you just hold right. I genuinely believe SM could be one of the best Pokemon games, but the game stops you at every possible opportunity with filler/tutorial cutscenes, or to give you an item you definitely won't need or to show off a feature you probably won't use.
These games are charmingly stylish. In locations, music, and characterization. Stopping me from seeing more and filling that gap with Hau-Hopman telling me how cool I am is insufferable.
23:43 man this hits hard. Im literally currently packing to move into my new apartment. My first time ever moving out. What you said is definitely true lol, glad to see others are going through the same though.
@@vannarasam3701 🙏🏽
Yes. There you go, saved you an hour and a half.
does that mean? i dont have to go 2 sleep?
"Emerald is the most underrated game in the series"
Lmao no it's not, the community loves this game, and they're right. The game is great.
Emerald was hated on in the community when the game first came out and for a few years. Glad to see it's getting love now though, it's my favorite
@@KoopstaKliccaHated in the community? When?..😂
I’ve been playing since 2005, multiple ROM hacks and community boards. It’s the most patched and hacked Pokémon game out there. Nothing like Gen 3 as a kid.
@@samkoani This is a bot comment. R/S/E were all hated when they first came out. Appreciation and love came slow to those games. You can literally look up hate threads from 15 years ago about them
Favourite : Fire Red .
Edit : You could beat Brock with Charmander's Metal Claw if Rock Tomb keeps missing .
Edit Again : Mega Kick is a Normal type move and it can't be used on a Ghost unless you use certain moves to identify it . The point is , Marowak is dead & is a ghost , yet Mega Kick can be used on it . 😂
Really, HeartGold and SoulSilver are unironically some of the best games, and you weren't blinded by nostalgia; is the level scaling annoying?y es, but the worldbuilding, the focus on exploration with actually fleshed out areas that separate towns and cities apart, the folklore that makes it feel like a lived in world and how plenty of the characters are actually quite fleshed out and interesting (Silver, Lance, Claire, Jasmine, Blue (who gets a ton of development) makes the game fantastic despite the flaws.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yeeeees
I feel like FireRed / LeafGreen has serious staying power compared to many of the other pre gen-6 games for multiple reasons. Because it runs on Gameboy platform vs DS, it is far easier to emulate and also replicate in non-emulation Pokemon games. Being a Generation 1 remake, it's widely recognized: anybody who watched the original Pokemon anime are familiar with the Pokemon, gym leaders, and rival, this makes the game exceptionally compelling. Finally, the graphics are a big step up from Generation 1 and Generation 2. Don't get me wrong, Generation 2 is stunning, but Generation 3 is really the foundation of all following games.
What a stupid question.
The first 5 gens are much better games, doesn't matter how they looked.
When will developers realize that most people doesn't care about graphics, gamers care about gaming.
Leaf Green is my favorite Pokemon. I play it every year. The newer generations insult the intelligence of the players who’ve been involved with the series for a while. 24 years of following along. Being told where to go, exp share, constant dialogue that hinders progress and few others. It’s a shame. Think XY was the last enjoyable experience and I got my whole team to level 100.
I dunno why TH-cam has suddenly started recommending videos from channels with under 1K views, but damn I'm happy with this one.
Your video is very detailed, thought out and expressed earnestly. I appriciate hearing your thoughts on games you enjoyed in a unique way as a child but have to view from new lenses as an adult. I resonated a lot with what you had to say and would definitely look forward to more content like this🤩
And to join in on the fun, here are my favorites games from the ones you reviewed (note I still enjoy them all)
1. Black and White 2
2. HGSS
3. Black and White
4. Emerald
5. Platinum
6. FRLG
Thank you!!!
Probably because the impending demise of mrbeast, maybe youtube thought that content that target to mostly underage are not the best way for youtube going forward.
@@TheAdventuretrainerRuby I knew something fishy about that guy the first time I watched his video. Imagine having to spend all that money just so you could just made pretty interesting thumbnail but really boring videos. It didn't sit me well the way the tried to bribe the pizza eating expert to pass off as funny gags.
@@haroldnecmann7040 To be fair TH-cam's been pushing out small channels for a while now probably this whole year, the algorithm is finally working for everyone as opposed to for the chosen few it would seem
Pokemon used to feel like an adventure and something to explore, now it feels like one of those rides where u are in a car that is on a set track while u move a stearing wheel that controls nothing
Started with gen 5 to be fair, it just got worse since.
@@albinocj969 Yeah idk when the consensus decided that Black/White were good games, because they absolutely destroyed my desire to ever play a Pokemon game again. GameFreak themselves did a soft reboot after B/W, so obviously they knew the games had gone south too. To be honest, I'd even go as far as to say Diamond & Pearl ruined the series. There is just way too much nonsense subterfuge & not nearly enough straightforward exploration. Remember when you would get a new HM, & then remember "Oh wait, wasn't there water next to my house in New Bark Town?" so you Fly home, Surf, then the reality hits you that YOU ARE IN KANTO BABY & the ENTIRE GEN 1 MAP is now open for you to explore. Pokemon will never hit a high like that again. It just isn't possible. Who cares if Z-A has the X&Y map in it? X&Y were sub par at best. Nobody remembers or knows those games nearly as well as the first 3 Gens, for a reason. Pokemon should have stopped at Gen 3. I know we probably wouldn't have newer games, but Mario didn't have to create a new plumber every 2 years. Zelda didn't have to create a new hero every 2 years. We should still be seeing Hoenn based games & products. Pokemon is just a faint shadow of its former self & will never be able to regain that magic that it once had.
Also something that helps a solid vintage play through is picking new Pokemon you have never used before, rather than grinding your starter.
5:55 I remember being stuck for months because i forgot to talk to fuji after saving him. I didn't know how to awaken snorlax
if anyone wants to save 1:26:51 of their time: yes
The issue with the 3D pokemon is because they are really underwhelming proportional to other games of their time. The 2D games all were released when there were other big games that also looked like them, so they didn't look that out of place. But Sword and Shield literally could have been on the game cube.
The Gamecube had way better graphics and animations though
@@Gotsyn Good point perhaps gamecube is too generous for that game.
Platinum is fantastic for grinding in the healing partner sections. I love this game so much
Gen 2-4 is where the series peaked.
Lets not forget about the well made 3D games such as Colosseum and XD for the gamecube and Pokemon Battle Revolution for the Wii.
That was an era of pokemon that could not be matched.
Really cool video but 2D Pokemon was the absolute PEAK of Pokemon.
The way these games look is just perfect...
As someone whose first ever video game was platinum, thank you for highlighting just how good the music is
haven't watched the Video yet, but i wanna through this out.
i recently modded my 3ds and got to experience pokemon emerald for the first time. and it was way more enjoyable then pokemon sword when i played that. Pokemon just feels like a 2d game more than 3d
@@masterdforest7737 facts
3D Graphics does not work with Pokemon's battle system. Pokemon is more like a card game than an actual based game, which is why 2D graphics push and complement the positive aspects about Pokemon like greed for catching pokemons, the hype for leveling them up and all the adventures and storytelling much more. 3D Graphics do fit an action based Pokemon game, but not a trainer game.
What the fuck is that question?
Of course it is.
Generation IV is where pokemon games changed forever. Introducing online competitive battling, A synced clock system, and the physical / special split. Also sprites look way cooler than the 3D models. (R.I.P the battle frontier)
A bit of a cop out to just skip gen 1 and 2 altogether in favour of their remakes. Sure they're still technically 2d games but is it really a fair appraisal of those generations if you're ignoring the original games?
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No they are unbearable to play. And don’t hold up well at all.
@@Thanatosdan they have their problems sure and may be antiquated by comparison to newer games, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they're unbearable or unplayable.
Yeah, that really disappointed me and felt weird since this is a review of 2D Pokemon and it's skipping basically 2/5 of it, 2/8 if you count to remakes and sequel entries, which is still 25% of the 2D series. They also have some of the most unique play because of their design. Like Gen 1's crit mechanics and single special stat make it feel super different from later games. And the level-up curve of base gen 2 was even worse than the remakes, but Crystal had a pretty unique flare and it's cool that the legendary Pokemon could be totally ignored in these games as completely optional unless you just so happened to run into one of the roaming legendary beasts. The remakes were also post moves getting the physical/special split, so it can feel really different to play from the remake.
@@eclecticmusothey are compared to the remakes. They don't really need to be played if the remakes exist with extra content
This is such a quaint video for me as someone who grew up with Pokemon a little earlier than you did. Hearing someone say that Emerald and Platinum are underrated definitely makes me chuckle, but it's genuinely really cool to see how newer fans who haven't committed all of Bulbapedia to memory or nuzlocked every game in the series are taking the time to appreciate the whole catalog of games. Good job
Thank you!
Not that you asked for it but if you want unsolicited criticism from me I would say the parts where you recap the games moment by moment felt like unnecessary padding and made me stop watching. I feel like recapping the games is not necessary to answer the thesis statement of the video, that being the title, and the video would’ve been stronger had it been more focused. I’m sure this video will get picked up by the algorithm though due to the title being solid so good luck and hope you see success!
just because the title is solid doesn’t mean a video will do well. everything has to be good
The fact that this is even a video is sacrilegious
did you watch it ? 😆
Gen 7 >>> Gen 6
Diabolical take
Just the facts.
So not.
Gimme one good reason why X & Y are better than Sun & Moon. I’ll wait.
@@RyansChannel0203 The entirety of the game.
Your reasoning most likely: "duh trials, muh story"
2d games seemed to have more heart. The jump to 3D became more corporate and so the flaws took precedence. 2D games continuously added to eachother so in the next game you can imagine either your favorite things changed in new innovative ways, or more depth in the game. Gen 6 they did continue to add, but the things added just made the game easy and therefore quick. Sun and moon starts to feel disconnected between islands, and then finally the change to a console made expectations to be everything we once had and more but instead we ended up with hallway like design, the elimination of “catching ‘em all” and even no elite 4. The wild area is only open because the other routes were so closed off. The wild area was like 3 routes with openness but hardly any exploration.
I also have not played the most recent games and believe the dlc’s of these games should be looked at like legends arceus. It’s a different game and should not be how you judge the game but rather the generation. So with the DLC’s a full generation feels more filled out now then before. I have only watched and played on other’s scarlet and violet. I don’t think their open world has enough exploration, and has weird pathing. It’s not awful, just the game could’ve been more limited in scope or vertical to make exploration feel better. The biggest flag I found was no interiors. There are no points of interest for that reason, the lack of dungeons and mandatory trainers makes the game feel hollow. It feels like a bag of lays, 50% air but the chips taste good
What’s funny is, there is no consensus on what makes a Pokémon game good.
Because if we’re looking at them relative to the industry, they’ve always been bad to average. And if we keep this rule, then pokémon has been slowly improving over the years. Scarlet and Violet are definitely the best Pokémon games ever.
If not, everyone can come up with their own set of rules and apply their own taste and - let’s just admit it - their nostalgia. It’s funny seeing so many people and content creators apply this second set of rules as if they are objective.
bro scarlet and violet can’t even run properly 😭
Thank you for this comment. I stopped playing Pokemon in Generation 3 because I felt I was too old to still play Pokemon, but I came back in Gen 8 during the whole dexit bs and that game is MUCH better than Emerald. Gen 9 is fantastic and I don't need to go back and play the gens I missed to know that. Also really excited for Megas to be coming back with the next Legends game.
I dont know what the game industry looks like in your world but here on earth this doesn't add up to reality. Pokemon on the gba and ds in relation to other jrpg's on those consoles certainly lives up to the rest of the game industry. Then starts to fall behind once it made it to the 3ds
@@somesalmon5694 no cus that guy has this really great source called making it the f up
incredible video, i wish this was seen more, used this while doing a project and barely got anything done because the way you present things is very entertaining, please make more videos and i will be there
Thank you!!
Without watching the video: yes, and depending on my mood i would argue its the ONLY time pokemon has been good (apart from X/Y & OR/AS)
yes, it was. this headline doesn't make any sense and wants to be controversial for clickbait but it doesn't gain interest though it in my opinion because it would be a ridiculous take if you'd say the 2D games were bad.
you Did not watch the Video Lol.
did you read the title and not watch a single second of the video
Yeah the title is clickbait, duh. That’s just the name of the game on the internet. You pretty much have to clickbait on YT or people won’t click on your video. It’s also just disingenuous to say the creator definitively said the 2D games are bad when the title is not even a statement. It’s a question, a question that the creator then proceeds to explore in the video itself.
@@AustinGiesey yeah that's what I'm saying. the title is turning me off already. no bad vibes though.
Black & White has the best endgame moment. You are battling through your typical Elite Four until N summoned a fricking castle interrupting your champion battle.
The better question is is 3d Pokémon even good honestly
Honestly would’ve made for a better video, and the title would actually work. Everyone knows the 2D games are better, but 3D has a lot more split opinions. I like Gen 6 and find some aspects in Gen 8 charming. I can’t stand replaying Gen 7 or 9 though.
The answer? No.
I have a soft spot for X&Y.
I wouldn't say they're anything special, and absolutely laughably easy, but for the most part, I enjoyed myself.
Haven't played gen 7, but the fact that gens 8 and 9 are held together by spit as glue is honestly unacceptable. Absolutely broken ass games that do not work as intended.
@@Sad-Lesbian W take
Yes, it was a much needed change and writing and pokemon design wise, pokemon is going a really good direction
Bellossom won me my latest Nuzlocke. Wallace literally wiped my team with Water Spout but Bellossom came through with a Sunny Day/Solar Beam sweep
W Pokemon
I'm tired of hearing this. No the 5th gen designs overall were pretty uninspired, the low points just being the worst, and a point of critique for modern standards involving Gen 5 at the time. This is not an overall trend rhaf improved with time. Comparing to old games no less, where no one ever complained about Muk. Pure strawman and coping by the gen 5 defenders. I'll fully admit to being wrong for being on the hate train back then, since these games were still excellent and arguably even peak, design criticisms not withstanding and not improving in subsequent gens. Not to mention that as "standalone games" BW have a weaker roster, period. This defense does not work when BW2 rectified the issue with a better local dex and more post game content to use post game mons in.
It's 2024 and people with seeming entry level knowledge still promote the Jinx talking point its so annoying. All this time and effort and not even the most bare minimum of research into one of the most well known early Pokemon that was altered. A generation of Pokemon content just wasted.
Oh yeah. Every Pokemon generation has had good and bad designs, but they just got worse as the series went on, and 5 might have been the first gen where the bad out weighed the good.
I’m lowkey jealous you’re experiencing some of these games for the first time. Emerald is so near and dear to me that playing it for the first time would actually fulfill me
emerald so so fun
yes.
@@jpoconnor5662 yes. Watch the video pls though
I think it's really funny that u named your Platinum character "Jawn" i appreciated that
@@shieldon530 lil jawn
They honestly should
Keep the overworld 2D and have battles, big events and cutscenes in 3d. I honestly think it would help them in all aspects.
Anything after DS will never hold the same aspect, ever again
You didnt have to make this video, we all know 2d pokemon is good and it's the era of their best games
Not even a mention of facing off with Trainer Red at the top of Mt. Silver? That was one of the coolest moments in video game history for me till this day.
What the hell even is this video title?
"Were one of the highest selling group of video games in history good?"
Who tf ever said 2D Pokemon games werent good? That isnt the consensus, nobody ever says that. The newer games are trash, obviously, so it seems like maybe you got a bit mixed up.
Idk, the first two gens were just god awful, gen 3 was still mechanically bad (seriously, the split should have been in the original game, it's insane that anyone thought it was alright to ship without it), gen 5 had bad Pokemon designs, and the games over all are not as good as people pretend.
@@comyuse9103 It sounds like you just aren't a Pokémon fan lol. Not that you have some you like & some you don't like as much, just that you straight up do not like anything Pokémon related, especially if you think Gens 1-3 were "god awful".
@@atomdecay not being a 'fan' just means i can judge the series more objectively. only gen 1 and 2 (any maybe the latest gens i suppose) were _that_ bad and that was because they were primitive games on primitive systems, and 3 was very much improved, just not enough to be where it should be.
i like pokemon, the side games are fun, the fan games are fun, its gamefreak that i detest.
@@comyuse9103 I mean you are literally saying that you don't like any of the mainline Pokémon games, nor do you like the company who makes them. Like imagine if I said "I'm a Guns n Roses fan, I just hate listening to every single song they've ever made, but I like this one cover I heard on TH-cam." At that point I'm objectively just not a fan of Guns n Roses. You are quite literally saying you DO NOT LIKE any Pokémon games except hacks & spinoffs, in which spinoffs don't play like regular Pokémon games & are just reskins of existing games, like Pokémon Pinball is just Pinball with Pokémon skin. I really think you just aren't a fan of Pokémon lol. & no, being someone who totally dislikes the entire series does not mean you're more qualified to judge them objectively. I personally really enjoy the first 2 gens of Pokémon, not just because I played them when I was little, nor from any bias. I am playing Pokémon Green as we speak, & am fully enjoying the entire experience. Unless you're actively looking for bugs, they aren't as broken as people like to say. They aren't "primitive", this isn't an Atari 2600 game dude. They were incredibly ahead of their time, & managed to fit legendary games onto Gameboy cartridges, something even the Super Mario team couldn't do. You just don't like Pokémon lol. That's all there is to it.
@@comyuse9103 I mean you literally just said "I can judge them objectively" as if anyone's opinions of art can be objective. That sentence contradicts itself in 5 words.
I actually didn't like black and white 2 that much because they felt too similar to black and white 1. Its funny, when I played the sequel I realized I didn't care about not being able to use pkmn from past generations anymore lol. That revelation made me honestly.... not care about the sword and shield controversy at all. There are other faults with s&s and imo not having a full dex is the least of my worries since I stopped caring about living dexes after the first 2 generations.
3D killed Pokemon.
If you make a 2d game, players expect a 2d-standard game. If you make a 3d game, players expect a 3d-standard game. I don't think the later games are fundamentally worse they just didn't dramatically improve or really use 3 dimensions so they get bagged on.
Also, played since gen 1, and the gen 1 games were objectively bad games that are just packed with nostalgia.
Oh god. I'm 14 but emerald was my first game. I found an emulator online and just played it all to keep myself occupied over lockdown. The nostalgia is crazy
The 2D Pokemon Era just enabled your Brain to imagine beyond the Borders of your Gameboy.
I felt like they were more immersive which sounds crazy considering the huge gain in Functionality over the years.
Maybe when we get older we cant imagine us anymore flying on a Dragoran.💔
I mean Gen 4- Gen 5 , especially the run of Platinum - HGSS - BW & B2W2... is such an incredible run of games!
This was Pokémon games at their peak , even if the Formula remained mainly the same
My favorite game of all time is pokemon emerald, but HG/SS are probably the best pokemon games ever made.
Gen 5 is an acquired taste, specifically due to N's story being contrary to the very themes of pokemon and the gen 5 designs being fairly mid in comparison to what came before.
Gen 6 was ok mostly because we got a hoenn remake, but gens 7+ are just god awful.
These games was my introduction to gaming. I loved it, brings up a lot of early memories.
Gen 1-3 were perfection . Everything else was blah.
Seeing the sprites in Black and white in motion for the first time was more impressive than when I first saw a game run at 60 fps
Your Heart Gold team looks like one of my favorites 🎉
@@angelcandelaria6728 🎉
That title baited me hard.
The one thing i hate most in gen 3 is swampert's weird shoulder😵💫 I don't know why it ticks me off
LOL
The biggest issue with 3D Pokemon is they make the exact same game as 2D Pokemon. Being 3D adds nothing to it. Gamefreak has been making the same game since I was 5 years old
140k views, 4K subscribers is crazy work. Good luck to you.
@@Djiggity thank you!!
Platinum is my favorite, for its flaws; the sheer quality and variety throughout platinum; its selection, battles, and side content makes it all worth it.
My favorite play through of any pokemon game was a platinum nuzlocke,
That run truly felt like a journey.
I grew up with platinum and black on my ds. Loved those games. I'm playing them again on my 3ds now.
The Mach bike isn’t just faster it has the ability to ride up mudslides. One bike unlocks some paths, the other unlocks different paths
HGSS was perfect, perfect! Down to the last detail.
This was the peak of Pokemon