That horse seemed like a fundamentally nice horse who couldn't make a lick of sense out of what that rider wanted. He was so stiff through the entire ride, I was actually surprised he lasted that long. He was a lot nicer than I am, I would have been clawing for the sky after the first 5 seconds.
I may not be a dressage expert but I know enough to see that his walk was rigid and held back, even when she tried to transition afterwards. And horses rear when there's no other way out. I'm surprised he didn't throw her off straightaway.
Competitive dressage horses are so conditioned to being abused that they accept abuse that regular horses simply wouldn't tolerate. One of mine would bury me and the other would go on all out strike if I made unreasonable demands on them.
I've commented before on how adept dressage riders are at sitting a rear as though it is commonplace and many admire their ability to handle them. In my book a horse should never be put under such immense pressure that the only way out is up.
I’m surprised we don’t see this more, many riders seem to be to be telling the horse go, go, go with their legs but have such a death grip on the reins they’re saying stop at the same time. I hardly watch dressage these days as it’s no longer comfortable viewing, the horses are so over ridden and stressed it verges on abuse.
The horrible seat, the sawing, the stiff hands, the mixed signals, the poor horse with a "collapsed" back, i just can't even compile what's wrong with this ride. How can pony club entry level riders even consider to enter these competitions? I wouldn't even let her close to a double bridle. It's a travesty to such a talented horse.
@@lindaquinn1499he looked like he was going lame, and he was so stiff, I hate seeing so much stiffness in Fei dressage it puts me off watching it, it flies in the face of the training scale AND the Fei’s own directives on tests!!!
That rider looks way over-horsed. I had this problem when I put my nice dressage home bred warmblood on the market to sell. The middle aged, out of shape women coming to try him couldn’t sit one side of his big gaits. It was painful to watch. He put up with it, but I know down the road when he’d had enough he would have spit the bit out and given the middle finger. Ultimately I pulled him off the market and I’m just enjoying riding him myself. People underestimate how athletic you have to be to ride the fancy, big moving ones. 🤷♀️
OMG! The same thing with me and my reining horse! What got me was how they were telling me he was not trained well, no hunny he is trained it's you that has no idea what you are doing.
@@lilmissstfu1126 Exactly! The one woman could not get him to pick up the left lead and said maybe something was wrong with him… uhhhh she watched me ride him and I had no trouble with the left lead. The horse is schooling all the 3rd level movements! He kept doing medium trot instead of cantering and I was like well you must be asking for medium trot and not canter! It was absolutely PAINFUL to watch my nice horse getting ridden so badly!
@@robinw360 not the ones who came and tried my horse. LoL I am middle aged, but middle aged and fit/strong is quite different than middle aged and out of shape/weak.
Honestly, I would much rather see this than horses giving obvious pain signals (gaping mouth, tail swishing, etc.) who are in a state of learned helplessness. I'm glad this horse was able to advocate for himself and hoping the reprecussions of this were not severe.
As soon as the ride began i thought the same as you... Like he was plopped on an advanced horse for the first time. The horse did brilliantly to cope with such sloppy riding. But then we all have our limits, this horse clealry could not manage it for the whole test.
@@TheOldandslow yes agreed 💯 I found it interesting how the horse maintained rhythm and fluidity in all gaits regardless of the rider's terrible posture. Only when the walk transition came in that the horse just could not cope with the rider's imbalance and seesawing of the mouth.
I felt the horse was even polite during its protest. It clearly had enough, but it seemed to be still trying a level of self control. It could have been so much worse.
He was very behind from the start of the ride and tense, you could see him getting more and more tense and snow the rider had her legs in almost no contact with him and held him more and more in, so not surprised he burst, he couldn't go forward anymore, nowhere to go but up or backwards
From the get go, weird rider position, flopping around, gah the hands!, and the toe flicking no matter what she had him doing. He was tense to start and you could see it getting worse and worse as he got more confused. I dont think comments are trying to just relish in bashing a rider, more that at this level these basics shouldn't be the issue.
So so sad that we are seeing more and more horses throwing the towel in. There is just too much pressure and dressage today is light years away from the lovely relaxed classically ridden horses of decades ago. 😢
The only thing they think about every second is pulling that head down. They are obsessively busy with keeping the head in the same place. WHY.. First thing I learned is the solution for a problem is speed up and give the horse space in the front. You only need a gas pedal and not the breaks. If you do botch the only release for the horse is going up like this.
Can you imagine a close-up video of the horse's mouth equipped with the curbs when the rider seesaws like this? It would be horrifying. The horse's response is still mild given the pain she subjected him to. I remeber going through a lesson as a youngster when the instructor introduced us to reins and bits. He made us to press a bit against our shin bone and pull. Then he made us to seesaw it. We all remembered well not to do this ever again. Not to ourselves, not to anyone or anything!
Extreme level of tension in her hands and arms. Poor horse. Did she expect a different result? Like a machine? Poor thing. It still baffles me why tense riders aren’t stopped. You’re literally allowed consistently to pull on your horses mouth in dressage - it is not against ANY rules!!! WTF 🦗 🦗🦗
I watch Dressage, but I don't really know that much about it. Am I wrong in seeing the riders upper body was too lax? No control of the hands or arms, and didn't seem to know what they were doing with the reins? I kept watching for the rider, and it just seems like they had noodles for arms, no real contact with the horse, or at least, not the correct contact. ?
I’ve seen much worse abuse from top international riders. Rider may be far too novice for this level but at least the horse doesn’t show signs of definite pain as in egg beater tongues and wringing tails.
I kind of agree with you here. It was a bloody train wreck of a test, no lie. However, my impression is that the horse was particularly tense/elevated and the rider was not really experienced enough to know how to handle it within this context. It looked as though she panicked and thought; "It's gone to shit!Quick, fix it!" and started sawing the horse's mouth. Perhaps not ready for this level, by the looks of it. We all make stupid mistakes. Unfortunately it's part of being human - a shame our horses suffer.
The position of the rider is so bad that she is incapable of communicating with her horse. Look at the outside arm i.e rein , the whole elbow arm flopping and her knees are so bent , instead of a long leg that can influence horse which puts her on her crotch , which means all hands and brakes, which is the aid to rear. Just look at the circles and extended trot.
before that horse started to rear, I thought it was going to pass out. It looked like it was dizzy and staggering. Why do they let people do this to their horses? Why is THIS the 'competition level'? I was watching some old videos of dressage, horses in snaffles and it was beautiful. How did it get like this?
OMG... i have 100 things to say...But first : i am from Norway so my english is not the best...i hope i manage to explain it good enough.. but here we go.. what a bad rider.. such wobbly and stiff seat, her lower arms looked like they were on the wrong place - makin the bones in the underarm cross - something that locks the whole softness and feeling in the upper body and arms.. Like the energy and feeling is not going trough her arms-shoulders-back-reins and bit -in a circle - but stops right in the middle of her lower arms and bounces back and forth between arm-rein-bit... I am very unsure how to explain this but i hope you get it.. She actually reminded me aboout a show jumper rider - not a dressage rider.. Was this from a dressage comp. or a event competition? Some of the event riders are not always super when it comes to the dressage part ..but this was painful to watch.. Her curved lower back and hands all over the place.. Looked like she was either scared or not actually ready for that level.. That poor horse.. looked like it was being pulled back the whole time..reminded me about when we trained race horses.. when doing the " pulling up"... The horse looked supernice.. with a good rider i might look totally different.. After watching it again i feel 100% that this is a rider that is actually scared and keeps pulling the horse back.. i would LOVE to see the horse stretch out all natural and being ridden in a good tempo. - with a solid rider and a soft and stable hand... BUT What make me most upset is FEI trying to cover up abuse, old fashion ways of thinking , bad riding and handeling of the horses. It should be totally oposite - FEI should be there to make sure the horses were taken care of, support research and work for new and more modern ways of how to use horses in sport without causing pain and suffering. Also be harsh towards trainers and riders being abusive and rather promote and support fair treatment . This is the same with dogs within FCI, AKC and KC .. They support a horrific breeding culture, allowes bad behavior and outright abuse.. NOT support dogs , breeders and trainers the way the should.. But it all comes down to one thing: MONEY!!! As soon as money get's involved all rules are off the table... THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND EDUCATING US 🥰 YOU ARE AWESOME ☺
There was a horse at my riding school that I ended up having to ride myself because he'd act like this..... less gracefully and with more bolting. It took a while but I eventually understood why he had so many problems with previous riders. I came to quite enjoy him despite his preceeding reputation. Though he was definitely more on the bolty side, very skittish. Like this horse is experiencing, he got overwhelmed. Specifically this horse I was tasked to ride because reasons, he got overwhelmed extremely easy, and was prone to outbursts. I thankfully only got the 'bolty' part of him despite everyone laughing and making bets how long it would be before I fell off him (Took 6 months and a jump. The fall was an accident) he was really spooky, like, literally a leaf or his shadow could spook him (well, DID.) He got better over time, only for me tho, in the bolting department. He'd still throw a fit when given too many or mixed signals, best way to describe it is he'd try really hard for you, but you absolutely had to hold his hand through everything and exude complete calmness. I miss him tho.
That poor horse...I can only imagine what the warm-up ride looked like and the aftermath of this ride. The horse is trying but obviously confused and in distress. 😡😡😡
I do not understand why at the first sign of resistance, the judge does not ring the bell for elimination or, better still, the rider drops the reins and calmly leaves the arena.
Hard to watch. I was surprised he lasted that long before expressing his stress at being pushed and pulled on. Her hands are just everywhere. She is out horsed.
at that point 2:53 the horse has had enough and was almost saying ''WTF do you want!?'' The horse seemed more experienced than the rider, who did such a botch job. That horse's mouth must be rock solid
Is that the best rider Ecuador(?) can find to plonk on such a beautiful mover? I thought she might be disabled initially, her upper body flopping around, left wrist curled over, barely looking at where she was going and more use of hands and heels than seat. Dreadful. The horse was a saint and looked very considerately produced.
She rides just like Isabel Worth. Her body is so tense that she can't move with the horse. Her tension comes from trying to carry the horse around the ring with her legs and hands. It's awful 😖
Not the ladies best ride but not as bad as some of the top riders in fairness. I think it's really nasty to liken "bad riding" to being disabled. Plenty of amazingly talented and kind disabled riders.
@@misslittlebonbon I'm disabled myself and wouldn't be offended if I knew my disability made me flop around but someone said I rode well. I'd be chuffed to bits at being able to have independent hands and not be messing with the horse's mouth.
What an awesome horse ❤ So sad to see everything come undone like that at an event like this😢 Understandably nothing gained with the broader equestrian world seeing this online 😢
i have always wondered why more horses don't rear. I probably don't want to know the answer, but if you are pulling on their mouth while spurring them on, this is what you get. Now I fear for the horse once it leaves the ring. Will it go to a trainer??
It appears that she is entirely focused on controlling the front end and disregarding the hind end. A lot of tension in her upper body and very little strength exhibited in both her core and the horse’s core, thus leading to her relying on her hands. By the time she gets to the walk pirouettes - a movement which requires arguably a bit more rein usage and half halts - she has already been so handsy and the horse is fed up. Hope her low marks were a sign to her to change up her training regimen.
My god why dont people learn to ride before they start conpeating on this level. Her teacher should have stopped her, before she god the idea off showing this bad riding 😢
Please don't kill me, but I cannot see what the other people in the comments sees. Yes, the rider is unbalanced, especially when they have to do something that is not riding in a straigth line, and when unbalanced the hands are wobbly. But the seat and leg position is nice. It does seem that they are riding with more hand than leg, and when it comes to the walk half-pirouette, it doesn't seem like either rider or horse knows how to do them. But calling it abuse is taking it too far. Saying they shouldn't compete at this level, more acurate.
It's good to ask questions. Pushing anyone or any animal into doing something they are not prepared for is abuse. You wouldn't make a child sit a test which reduces them to tears because they don't know the answers. Hope this helps.
@@melodyblanchard2017 I know what rollkur is and this ride is not an example of rollkur. I still don't agree that this ride is abuse. I don't think she should ride this level, but it is not an abusive ride. Had she been jabbing with the spurs and been overly harsh, sure. We need to stop calling everything we don't like abuse. It detracts from the severity of the treatment the word is supposed to describe.
@@sarahwagland1559 But this isn't abuse. The horse could probably do the walk pirouettes with a better rider. We need to stop calling things abuse that are not abusive. What word should we use on real abusive behaviour of we fling it around and use it for everything we simply don't like. An abusive ride would involve spurs jabbing, harsher hand that restrict the horse's forward movement more, it would also show more signs of conflict behaviour in the horse. I was not asking a question in my first post, I was just saying that I don't want people coming for me because I don't see abuse. I see bad riding, different thing.
Let's not be too cruel was it Para riding!? I remember a horse show with a shocking rider on board (until I realised it was a dummy) it sort of reminds me of that. 😮
That’s very sad. A very nice horse trying his best until there was some miss communication. I thought the rider was very stiff throughout and she sure spurred him forward for his error, there was no support or gentleness for him. It was all too much he had no where to go but up. Terrible he had to do that to get some relief. I thought he really tried hard.
Why on earth do you have to always focus on the difficult part of the sport? Do you know how hard was this for this rider? This woman is a great person and rider that had a bad day at a great event.. I have seen her several times and competed with her too. Actually this day, her warm up was very very nice. And it was devastating not only for her, but also for her teammates and many other riders that understand what it costs to be there not only $. And to all the people that only make bad comments. Come on!! Have you ever ridden at least 1st level or small tour? Have you ever been to an event of this magnitude?? We all have had bad days, and no one, not 1 person in the sport, deserves all of this bulls*it, coming from the super 5* judges of social media. I know and believe that dressage must change many things to continue living, but only focusing on the bad things wont work. Lets pretend for at least once, that we are 5* FEI judges or whatever, and we must comment on how to make it better and not trying to break riders and horses that give everything for the sport
I am sure many of us have had tricky rides like this in the show arena before. Sometimes the atmosphere is overwhelming and that could have led to the extreme tension and anxiety. It must be every riders nightmare to have quietly try and coax a horse through these times. There will always be another show and another time. Maybe this time was not there time.
I actually agree. This just looked like both of them were nervous as heck and feeding off each other other. Of course rider didn't handle it well, but people seem to forget that we are all human! They get nervous too, especially if it was their first time stepping foot in a big competition like that. As far as the riding goes, judging by the comments I expected way worse than what I saw. Again, rider was not giving the nervous horse the quiet, confidence building ride it needed but that's hard to do when you as a rider are battling your own nerves.
My Appy that would do anything for me was very confused and excited about the table in the middle of the arena with pretty flowers and trophies. I didn't have time to take him in for a warm up and all of his attention was on that. The class was a schooling one for us and he decided it wasn't going to kill him. I just tried to keep him calm and didn't worry about what we looked like. We did go on to win three other classes that day.
Agree. I doubt this girl intended on riding badly here. None of us do. We have all had horrible rides and we've all done stupid things when in a panic if things go wrong. Hopefully they went home, worked out the kinks and came back stronger.
You could clearly see the horses head moving from left to right, that should not happen, poor horse looks so rigid, the movements are not loose and free flowing, so yes, the horse basically said, I've had enough.
So much rolkur plus extended trot, then that nonsense with the attempted pirouette. This is a good horse who put up with too much before saying “enough”.
This is not abuse. There are good days and bad days and varying levels of training. You can have a horse or rider or both new to a level that has to work some things out. It takes time to help the horses to cope with the larger competition venues which have a big atmosphere. The rider did well with what she had; which was a ball of tension and a horse that was spooking at the top end of the arena. Sure there are some things that could be improved, but no horse/rider gets to top level by magic. It is a continuous journey that has highs and lows. It is impossible to move up the levels smoothly in every single moment of every ride. Please stop bullying riders who dedicate their lives to bettering themselves and their horses simply because they had a bad test. There are legitimately harsh training methods yet rather than focusing on improving the sport it sounds like you are looking to tear the entire sport down. Why not try something more proactive and train a horse to Grand Prix and show people your vision of training as oppose to taking your time and energy trying to destroy the lives and reputations of good intentioned hard working athletes who love their horses?
I'm like thinking to myself "oh this horse looks nice he knows what he's doing" and in the back of my mind I'm like just wait Samantha Dressage hub posted it for a reason 😂 then it all shines through when he gets confused and stiff at the walk... she's seesawing on his face and he got pissed off because he was like fuck you that's the rudest way a human can ask me to soften my mouth and he tried to humble her in that moment. 😂horse was right rider wrong.
What???.. horses quite often express their views and hopefully their riders will encourage a more interesting life for them. This is not cruelty, it's a way of listening
I'm not a professional, but I have been riding since age 6, if I felt something was wrong I stopped immediately. This is Sad what have they come to all about money,and half the time the sell them to slaughter houses.they make me flicking MAD!!!!! A HOLES
Too much money, no horse sense. I've seen worse. You could say she wasn't aggressive enough to push him through the test (as he is probably used to). Helgstrand or Werth would have easily forced this horse through. It's all so sad. Who wants to watch any of this?
Where do you start?!?! Except to say, the abuse is reaching a fever pitch and so are people who are sick of it! This rider needs to go back to "Training Level" and learn how to ride! She has no center, no core strength, and she's carrying this horse around the ring. The horse has a hollow back, isn't straight, has no strength to handle this level of work, and is doing everything he can to avoid the ride. Grabbing and holding the horses mouth, gripping with vice grip legs and digging in with spurs. Horrific display. Worse yet, the organizations are now trying to cover up their own abuses, with neglect of horses and riders nit to mention the sport in general. Kudos to Dressage Hub for sticking with this battle for so many years.
I wonder how such an unabled rider can access to take part in a competition of that classification? But!!! It does'nt look THAT different from those riders who think the are more qualified!
Wow people are very critical. Shit happens. Once disqualified I doubt there was a conspiracy to keep people from watching the horse have a very ordinary horse meltdown. 🙄
Yep but why the hell they try to hide it? I dont see a reason why 😂 🤷🏻♀️ this can happen to majority of the riders there its just matter of time and horse nerves.
I can't see anyone commenting on the walk that's not walk. Horse is soo nervous and then exploded. I imagine that if I tried to ride dressage I would probably look just like that but holding my hands much lower/pressed down on the mane like exercise riders do 🏇🏻 #letsgo
I have been riding since I was 7, and I do not understand what the issue is with this video....the horse freaked out, the rider was not able to control it...this happens quite frequently in equestrian sports... Certainly stuff like this is a sign the horse is not prepared properly but horse knowledge/horsemanship is at a beginning phase...I see no need to demonize this rider...she is also probably ill prepared for this kind of outing, whoever is coaching her.
The rider or the family probably had connections, skill didn't matter, just influence. That's what awaits us in the future when racial- or minority quotas over quality are added to the selection criteria.
There is nothing wrong with this. The horse was having an off day and she handle it very well. Other than the horse acting up it was a very nice performance.
Um where is the video of Alicia Dickinson, the lady that ended CDJ career, belting a horse she was riding and why won't you post it here, so all your viewers and subscribers can see both sides of this story
Not sure why a video like this at the olympics would be deleted or why you take such pleasure in riders attempts? It was not a great ride, she was not going to win anything, not sure what she was trying to accomplish in the walk pirouettes, he didnt start rearing that day, he had some experience for sure.
Mostly it didn't look any worse than modern standard dressage test riding to me; standard dressage riding being akin to animal abuse (in my and many others') estimation. The horse had clearly had enough. What I wonder, though, is what treatment did the poor animal get when out of the ring and back in the training barn, in order to "rectify" such "disobedience". I have alway disliked dressage riding, and more recently, I loathe it. It is pretty much cruelty to animals in plain sight; how can it be allowed to continue?
This is a very powerful horse having a temper tantrum. He may have been overly fresh or just had a bad day. What ever the case was the rider handled it very well. She knew that it was coming and tried to contain it at the far end of the arena. I thought that this rider did a good job.
What the heck? Arm flick apology for salute followed by pokey extended-trot-type forelegs but sort-of-passage-except-it’s-not-collected … bring back the classic riders to show these upstart jerks how to do DRESSAGE.
That was confusing???? Just what were they supposedly hiding?? It was a normal ride. The horse was just being sassy. Why would they hide that? Makes absolutely no sense
That horse seemed like a fundamentally nice horse who couldn't make a lick of sense out of what that rider wanted. He was so stiff through the entire ride, I was actually surprised he lasted that long. He was a lot nicer than I am, I would have been clawing for the sky after the first 5 seconds.
I may not be a dressage expert but I know enough to see that his walk was rigid and held back, even when she tried to transition afterwards. And horses rear when there's no other way out. I'm surprised he didn't throw her off straightaway.
Competitive dressage horses are so conditioned to being abused that they accept abuse that regular horses simply wouldn't tolerate. One of mine would bury me and the other would go on all out strike if I made unreasonable demands on them.
I just kept seeing her horrible hands sawing away at a nice confused horse...
My guess was that the rider was the offspring of some powerful politician who the team was required to include.
Thankyou !!!!
Honestly, what was with her hands? The horse had every right to protest.
I've commented before on how adept dressage riders are at sitting a rear as though it is commonplace and many admire their ability to handle them. In my book a horse should never be put under such immense pressure that the only way out is up.
This riders hands are a little hard in my opinion
I’m surprised we don’t see this more, many riders seem to be to be telling the horse go, go, go with their legs but have such a death grip on the reins they’re saying stop at the same time. I hardly watch dressage these days as it’s no longer comfortable viewing, the horses are so over ridden and stressed it verges on abuse.
Was thinking the same thing. Terrible dressage ride, but I was very surprised at how well she stuck on the rearing phase of the test. Poor horse!
The only reason I can think why they'd be good at it is because it happens so frequently that they're used to it 😔
The horrible seat, the sawing, the stiff hands, the mixed signals, the poor horse with a "collapsed" back, i just can't even compile what's wrong with this ride. How can pony club entry level riders even consider to enter these competitions? I wouldn't even let her close to a double bridle. It's a travesty to such a talented horse.
I was like her seat is driving me crazy
So sore in the hocks, before the blow up.
@@lindaquinn1499he looked like he was going lame, and he was so stiff, I hate seeing so much stiffness in Fei dressage it puts me off watching it, it flies in the face of the training scale AND the Fei’s own directives on tests!!!
I was wondering why they removed the video until the very end. The rider see-saws the horses head with her reins and he had enough
That I didn't notice. Thank you for pointing it out.
That rider looks way over-horsed. I had this problem when I put my nice dressage home bred warmblood on the market to sell. The middle aged, out of shape women coming to try him couldn’t sit one side of his big gaits. It was painful to watch. He put up with it, but I know down the road when he’d had enough he would have spit the bit out and given the middle finger. Ultimately I pulled him off the market and I’m just enjoying riding him myself. People underestimate how athletic you have to be to ride the fancy, big moving ones. 🤷♀️
OMG! The same thing with me and my reining horse! What got me was how they were telling me he was not trained well, no hunny he is trained it's you that has no idea what you are doing.
@@lilmissstfu1126 Exactly! The one woman could not get him to pick up the left lead and said maybe something was wrong with him… uhhhh she watched me ride him and I had no trouble with the left lead. The horse is schooling all the 3rd level movements! He kept doing medium trot instead of cantering and I was like well you must be asking for medium trot and not canter! It was absolutely PAINFUL to watch my nice horse getting ridden so badly!
Lots of middle aged women can ride
@@robinw360 not the ones who came and tried my horse. LoL I am middle aged, but middle aged and fit/strong is quite different than middle aged and out of shape/weak.
@@robinw360Most can't.
Honestly, I would much rather see this than horses giving obvious pain signals (gaping mouth, tail swishing, etc.) who are in a state of learned helplessness. I'm glad this horse was able to advocate for himself and hoping the reprecussions of this were not severe.
I'd rather not see either.
Yup! Me too.
Unfortunately, I am sure they were.
what tf are you saying? i wouldnt see ANY of it...
For the record, I would rather not see any of it either.
As soon as the ride began i thought the same as you... Like he was plopped on an advanced horse for the first time. The horse did brilliantly to cope with such sloppy riding. But then we all have our limits, this horse clealry could not manage it for the whole test.
The horse was very generous I thought. Hopefully this rider will put in the work.
@@TheOldandslow yes agreed 💯
I found it interesting how the horse maintained rhythm and fluidity in all gaits regardless of the rider's terrible posture. Only when the walk transition came in that the horse just could not cope with the rider's imbalance and seesawing of the mouth.
I felt the horse was even polite during its protest. It clearly had enough, but it seemed to be still trying a level of self control. It could have been so much worse.
He was very behind from the start of the ride and tense, you could see him getting more and more tense and snow the rider had her legs in almost no contact with him and held him more and more in, so not surprised he burst, he couldn't go forward anymore, nowhere to go but up or backwards
Good horse ! Show them you're not just a mindless puppet
From the get go, weird rider position, flopping around, gah the hands!, and the toe flicking no matter what she had him doing. He was tense to start and you could see it getting worse and worse as he got more confused.
I dont think comments are trying to just relish in bashing a rider, more that at this level these basics shouldn't be the issue.
So so sad that we are seeing more and more horses throwing the towel in. There is just too much pressure and dressage today is light years away from the lovely relaxed classically ridden horses of decades ago. 😢
We're not seeing more horses "throw the towel in", just everyone has a camera these days.
Plenty of absolutely terrible riders when I was first watching dressage nearly 40 years ago. And the horses last way longer these days too.
@@SoozUK yes, people have cameras, and vets have a vast array of pain meds.
@@kimsutherland977 And sporthorses get drug tested. (To the point my friend couldn't compete because her horse went to the dentist two weeks before)
Years ago before the big money, people took time to produce a horse. Now anybody with the money can buy a made horse and compete.@@SoozUK
Looks like a first level rider on a grand prix horse. Feeling so bad for this poor animal
Who let her get on? That's who's responsible for this
The horse in and of itself is stunning.
Yes a beauty
The only thing they think about every second is pulling that head down. They are obsessively busy with keeping the head in the same place. WHY.. First thing I learned is the solution for a problem is speed up and give the horse space in the front. You only need a gas pedal and not the breaks. If you do botch the only release for the horse is going up like this.
Can you imagine a close-up video of the horse's mouth equipped with the curbs when the rider seesaws like this? It would be horrifying. The horse's response is still mild given the pain she subjected him to. I remeber going through a lesson as a youngster when the instructor introduced us to reins and bits. He made us to press a bit against our shin bone and pull. Then he made us to seesaw it. We all remembered well not to do this ever again. Not to ourselves, not to anyone or anything!
Extreme level of tension in her hands and arms. Poor horse. Did she expect a different result? Like a machine? Poor thing. It still baffles me why tense riders aren’t stopped. You’re literally allowed consistently to pull on your horses mouth in dressage - it is not against ANY rules!!! WTF 🦗 🦗🦗
Weird that the FEI hides this but not most rollkur. Bad moment but obviously not intentional, and I don't think the rider overreacted.
I really don't think the 0:04 horse understood all the mixed up messages she was sending him, so he finally said f*** this! Poor guy.
I watch Dressage, but I don't really know that much about it. Am I wrong in seeing the riders upper body was too lax? No control of the hands or arms, and didn't seem to know what they were doing with the reins? I kept watching for the rider, and it just seems like they had noodles for arms, no real contact with the horse, or at least, not the correct contact. ?
I’ve seen much worse abuse from top international riders. Rider may be far too novice for this level but at least the horse doesn’t show signs of definite pain as in egg beater tongues and wringing tails.
I kind of agree with you here. It was a bloody train wreck of a test, no lie. However, my impression is that the horse was particularly tense/elevated and the rider was not really experienced enough to know how to handle it within this context. It looked as though she panicked and thought; "It's gone to shit!Quick, fix it!" and started sawing the horse's mouth. Perhaps not ready for this level, by the looks of it.
We all make stupid mistakes. Unfortunately it's part of being human - a shame our horses suffer.
The position of the rider is so bad that she is incapable of communicating with her horse. Look at the outside arm i.e rein , the whole elbow arm flopping and her knees are so bent , instead of a long leg that can influence horse which puts her on her crotch , which means all hands and brakes, which is the aid to rear. Just look at the circles and extended trot.
Es ist zu schlecht geritten um es sinnvoll zu kommentieren.
Aber das Internet vergisst nicht.
Wie so eine schlechte Reiterin an Pan Am Games teil nehmen kann ist bescheuert. Sie hält sich nur auf dem Pferd mit den Zügeln. Armes Tier!!!
before that horse started to rear, I thought it was going to pass out. It looked like it was dizzy and staggering. Why do they let people do this to their horses? Why is THIS the 'competition level'? I was watching some old videos of dressage, horses in snaffles and it was beautiful. How did it get like this?
That horse was saying please get the hell off of me!
What the hell was that? I've never seen anything so disunited. That poor horse must have the patience of a Saint to put up with that on his back!
OMG... i have 100 things to say...But first : i am from Norway so my english is not the best...i hope i manage to explain it good enough.. but here we go..
what a bad rider.. such wobbly and stiff seat, her lower arms looked like they were on the wrong place - makin the bones in the underarm cross - something that locks the whole softness and feeling in the upper body and arms.. Like the energy and feeling is not going trough her arms-shoulders-back-reins and bit -in a circle - but stops right in the middle of her lower arms and bounces back and forth between arm-rein-bit... I am very unsure how to explain this but i hope you get it.. She actually reminded me aboout a show jumper rider - not a dressage rider.. Was this from a dressage comp. or a event competition? Some of the event riders are not always super when it comes to the dressage part ..but this was painful to watch.. Her curved lower back and hands all over the place.. Looked like she was either scared or not actually ready for that level.. That poor horse.. looked like it was being pulled back the whole time..reminded me about when we trained race horses.. when doing the " pulling up"...
The horse looked supernice.. with a good rider i might look totally different.. After watching it again i feel 100% that this is a rider that is actually scared and keeps pulling the horse back.. i would LOVE to see the horse stretch out all natural and being ridden in a good tempo. - with a solid rider and a soft and stable hand...
BUT What make me most upset is FEI trying to cover up abuse, old fashion ways of thinking , bad riding and handeling of the horses. It should be totally oposite - FEI should be there to make sure the horses were taken care of, support research and work for new and more modern ways of how to use horses in sport without causing pain and suffering. Also be harsh towards trainers and riders being abusive and rather promote and support fair treatment .
This is the same with dogs within FCI, AKC and KC .. They support a horrific breeding culture, allowes bad behavior and outright abuse.. NOT support dogs , breeders and trainers the way the should..
But it all comes down to one thing: MONEY!!! As soon as money get's involved all rules are off the table...
THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND EDUCATING US 🥰 YOU ARE AWESOME ☺
Yes,very well said!
There was a horse at my riding school that I ended up having to ride myself because he'd act like this..... less gracefully and with more bolting. It took a while but I eventually understood why he had so many problems with previous riders. I came to quite enjoy him despite his preceeding reputation. Though he was definitely more on the bolty side, very skittish.
Like this horse is experiencing, he got overwhelmed. Specifically this horse I was tasked to ride because reasons, he got overwhelmed extremely easy, and was prone to outbursts. I thankfully only got the 'bolty' part of him despite everyone laughing and making bets how long it would be before I fell off him (Took 6 months and a jump. The fall was an accident) he was really spooky, like, literally a leaf or his shadow could spook him (well, DID.)
He got better over time, only for me tho, in the bolting department. He'd still throw a fit when given too many or mixed signals, best way to describe it is he'd try really hard for you, but you absolutely had to hold his hand through everything and exude complete calmness. I miss him tho.
That poor horse...I can only imagine what the warm-up ride looked like and the aftermath of this ride. The horse is trying but obviously confused and in distress. 😡😡😡
I do not understand why at the first sign of resistance, the judge does not ring the bell for elimination or, better still, the rider drops the reins and calmly leaves the arena.
They cut the video
The horse should be anointed into sainthood. My goodness.
Hard to watch. I was surprised he lasted that long before expressing his stress at being pushed and pulled on. Her hands are just everywhere. She is out horsed.
at that point 2:53 the horse has had enough and was almost saying ''WTF do you want!?'' The horse seemed more experienced than the rider, who did such a botch job. That horse's mouth must be rock solid
Is that the best rider Ecuador(?) can find to plonk on such a beautiful mover? I thought she might be disabled initially, her upper body flopping around, left wrist curled over, barely looking at where she was going and more use of hands and heels than seat. Dreadful. The horse was a saint and looked very considerately produced.
She rides just like Isabel Worth. Her body is so tense that she can't move with the horse. Her tension comes from trying to carry the horse around the ring with her legs and hands. It's awful 😖
Not the ladies best ride but not as bad as some of the top riders in fairness. I think it's really nasty to liken "bad riding" to being disabled. Plenty of amazingly talented and kind disabled riders.
@@heatherlk4788 I've seen some amazing disabled riders who are floppy but don't haul on the mouth like this rider. It was an observation.
Please don't make ableist comments, your throwaway description of riders with disabilities is not kind and could be hurtful
@@misslittlebonbon I'm disabled myself and wouldn't be offended if I knew my disability made me flop around but someone said I rode well. I'd be chuffed to bits at being able to have independent hands and not be messing with the horse's mouth.
De paarden weten van gekkigheid niet wat ze moeten doen. Vreselijk om te zien die dressuurwedstrijden.
What an awesome horse ❤ So sad to see everything come undone like that at an event like this😢 Understandably nothing gained with the broader equestrian world seeing this online 😢
Agree. The history of this pair is not known. Pressure cooker event, the horse wasn't ready, but both gained experience. Lovely horse.
This rider has 48 CDI starts and 11 wins.
DH, how many starts for the horse, how many at this level?
Thank you 🎉🎉🎉
i have always wondered why more horses don't rear. I probably don't want to know the answer, but if you are pulling on their mouth while spurring them on, this is what you get. Now I fear for the horse once it leaves the ring. Will it go to a trainer??
It appears that she is entirely focused on controlling the front end and disregarding the hind end. A lot of tension in her upper body and very little strength exhibited in both her core and the horse’s core, thus leading to her relying on her hands. By the time she gets to the walk pirouettes - a movement which requires arguably a bit more rein usage and half halts - she has already been so handsy and the horse is fed up. Hope her low marks were a sign to her to change up her training regimen.
can you say sour and "I'm done" ?
Jesus, what is she doing with her hands ?? And what is it with her whole upper body ? Good horse..
Horses nose stayed in front of the vertical!!
My god why dont people learn to ride before they start conpeating on this level. Her teacher should have stopped her, before she god the idea off showing this bad riding 😢
Please don't kill me, but I cannot see what the other people in the comments sees. Yes, the rider is unbalanced, especially when they have to do something that is not riding in a straigth line, and when unbalanced the hands are wobbly. But the seat and leg position is nice. It does seem that they are riding with more hand than leg, and when it comes to the walk half-pirouette, it doesn't seem like either rider or horse knows how to do them. But calling it abuse is taking it too far. Saying they shouldn't compete at this level, more acurate.
It's good to ask questions. Pushing anyone or any animal into doing something they are not prepared for is abuse. You wouldn't make a child sit a test which reduces them to tears because they don't know the answers. Hope this helps.
look up Rollkur. it is absolutely abuse. and the FEI allows it
nevermind that she is blaancing on the reins which is terrible as well
@@melodyblanchard2017 I know what rollkur is and this ride is not an example of rollkur. I still don't agree that this ride is abuse. I don't think she should ride this level, but it is not an abusive ride. Had she been jabbing with the spurs and been overly harsh, sure. We need to stop calling everything we don't like abuse. It detracts from the severity of the treatment the word is supposed to describe.
@@sarahwagland1559 But this isn't abuse. The horse could probably do the walk pirouettes with a better rider. We need to stop calling things abuse that are not abusive. What word should we use on real abusive behaviour of we fling it around and use it for everything we simply don't like. An abusive ride would involve spurs jabbing, harsher hand that restrict the horse's forward movement more, it would also show more signs of conflict behaviour in the horse.
I was not asking a question in my first post, I was just saying that I don't want people coming for me because I don't see abuse. I see bad riding, different thing.
Let's not be too cruel was it Para riding!? I remember a horse show with a shocking rider on board (until I realised it was a dummy) it sort of reminds me of that. 😮
It's obvious the rider is scared to death going into the arena. She not really riding, just floating like jelly on top of the horse.
Anyone else notice that horse's ears didn't EVER MOVE? Yikes.
Someone paid a lot of money for a nice horse, but couldn't ride it properly.
Poor horse is so willing and so confused.
That’s very sad. A very nice horse trying his best until there was some miss communication. I thought the rider was very stiff throughout and she sure spurred him forward for his error, there was no support or gentleness for him. It was all too much he had no where to go but up. Terrible he had to do that to get some relief. I thought he really tried hard.
Why on earth do you have to always focus on the difficult part of the sport? Do you know how hard was this for this rider? This woman is a great person and rider that had a bad day at a great event.. I have seen her several times and competed with her too. Actually this day, her warm up was very very nice. And it was devastating not only for her, but also for her teammates and many other riders that understand what it costs to be there not only $.
And to all the people that only make bad comments. Come on!! Have you ever ridden at least 1st level or small tour? Have you ever been to an event of this magnitude??
We all have had bad days, and no one, not 1 person in the sport, deserves all of this bulls*it, coming from the super 5* judges of social media.
I know and believe that dressage must change many things to continue living, but only focusing on the bad things wont work.
Lets pretend for at least once, that we are 5* FEI judges or whatever, and we must comment on how to make it better and not trying to break riders and horses that give everything for the sport
If this is the case why did FEI pull the video?
The rider is totally out of this horse's league. She needs some lessons and training
I am sure many of us have had tricky rides like this in the show arena before. Sometimes the atmosphere is overwhelming and that could have led to the extreme tension and anxiety.
It must be every riders nightmare to have quietly try and coax a horse through these times.
There will always be another show and another time. Maybe this time was not there time.
Please stop with the be kind, we all have bad days BS. This time wasn't their time because they shouldn't have been there.
I actually agree. This just looked like both of them were nervous as heck and feeding off each other other. Of course rider didn't handle it well, but people seem to forget that we are all human! They get nervous too, especially if it was their first time stepping foot in a big competition like that.
As far as the riding goes, judging by the comments I expected way worse than what I saw. Again, rider was not giving the nervous horse the quiet, confidence building ride it needed but that's hard to do when you as a rider are battling your own nerves.
My Appy that would do anything for me was very confused and excited about the table in the middle of the arena with pretty flowers and trophies. I didn't have time to take him in for a warm up and all of his attention was on that. The class was a schooling one for us and he decided it wasn't going to kill him. I just tried to keep him calm and didn't worry about what we looked like. We did go on to win three other classes that day.
Agree. I doubt this girl intended on riding badly here. None of us do.
We have all had horrible rides and we've all done stupid things when in a panic if things go wrong. Hopefully they went home, worked out the kinks and came back stronger.
@@kirstend1895100%
This is a beautiful creature so sad what happened to it.
I'm not in any way an upper level dressage rider but WTH was I seeing? So many disjointed missteps and her weird arms and hands. Poor poor horse. 😢
You could clearly see the horses head moving from left to right, that should not happen, poor horse looks so rigid, the movements are not loose and free flowing, so yes, the horse basically said, I've had enough.
Can you please make a video about other Pan Am riders? Like Julio Mendoza Lor and also Florencia Manfredi
I may have made one about Julio. Copyright is hard on big games stuff.
So much rolkur plus extended trot, then that nonsense with the attempted pirouette. This is a good horse who put up with too much before saying “enough”.
This is not abuse. There are good days and bad days and varying levels of training. You can have a horse or rider or both new to a level that has to work some things out. It takes time to help the horses to cope with the larger competition venues which have a big atmosphere. The rider did well with what she had; which was a ball of tension and a horse that was spooking at the top end of the arena. Sure there are some things that could be improved, but no horse/rider gets to top level by magic. It is a continuous journey that has highs and lows. It is impossible to move up the levels smoothly in every single moment of every ride. Please stop bullying riders who dedicate their lives to bettering themselves and their horses simply because they had a bad test. There are legitimately harsh training methods yet rather than focusing on improving the sport it sounds like you are looking to tear the entire sport down. Why not try something more proactive and train a horse to Grand Prix and show people your vision of training as oppose to taking your time and energy trying to destroy the lives and reputations of good intentioned hard working athletes who love their horses?
Poor animals
Well, I was like "ok, not bad."
Then I realized it was PAN not PARA.
Poor horse
I believe it is Paul Belasik that refers to this as a "tummy trot."
I'm like thinking to myself "oh this horse looks nice he knows what he's doing" and in the back of my mind I'm like just wait Samantha Dressage hub posted it for a reason 😂 then it all shines through when he gets confused and stiff at the walk... she's seesawing on his face and he got pissed off because he was like fuck you that's the rudest way a human can ask me to soften my mouth and he tried to humble her in that moment. 😂horse was right rider wrong.
Good lord, his nose is close to touching his chest!
What???.. horses quite often express their views and hopefully their riders will encourage a more interesting life for them. This is not cruelty, it's a way of listening
Horse looked wired up from the very start. No doubt it will pay for this later
he was a great little horsey then just had a moment its a lot to travel to these shows put yourself in the horse's shoes
So.. she trying to bring levade back? 😅
I'm not a professional, but I have been riding since age 6, if I felt something was wrong I stopped immediately. This is Sad what have they come to all about money,and half the time the sell them to slaughter houses.they make me flicking MAD!!!!! A HOLES
Too much money, no horse sense. I've seen worse. You could say she wasn't aggressive enough to push him through the test (as he is probably used to). Helgstrand or Werth would have easily forced this horse through.
It's all so sad.
Who wants to watch any of this?
Those movements doesnt look normal for a dressage horse
I'm glad I got out of this sport
The so called riders should be wearing the bits and the horses holding the reins.
Where do you start?!?! Except to say, the abuse is reaching a fever pitch and so are people who are sick of it!
This rider needs to go back to "Training Level" and learn how to ride! She has no center, no core strength, and she's carrying this horse around the ring.
The horse has a hollow back, isn't straight, has no strength to handle this level of work, and is doing everything he can to avoid the ride.
Grabbing and holding the horses mouth, gripping with vice grip legs and digging in with spurs.
Horrific display. Worse yet, the organizations are now trying to cover up their own abuses, with neglect of horses and riders nit to mention the sport in general.
Kudos to Dressage Hub for sticking with this battle for so many years.
Thank you for your support
I wonder how such an unabled rider can access to take part in a competition of that classification?
But!!! It does'nt look THAT different from those riders who think the are more qualified!
Wow people are very critical. Shit happens. Once disqualified I doubt there was a conspiracy to keep people from watching the horse have a very ordinary horse meltdown. 🙄
Yep but why the hell they try to hide it? I dont see a reason why 😂 🤷🏻♀️ this can happen to majority of the riders there its just matter of time and horse nerves.
Take the double bridle out of dressage.
Yeah, a bad rider can make a great horse loose their minds.
I can't see anyone commenting on the walk that's not walk. Horse is soo nervous and then exploded. I imagine that if I tried to ride dressage I would probably look just like that but holding my hands much lower/pressed down on the mane like exercise riders do 🏇🏻 #letsgo
Walk on long rein?
I have been riding since I was 7, and I do not understand what the issue is with this video....the horse freaked out, the rider was not able to control it...this happens quite frequently in equestrian sports...
Certainly stuff like this is a sign the horse is not prepared properly but horse knowledge/horsemanship is at a beginning phase...I see no need to demonize this rider...she is also probably ill prepared for this kind of outing, whoever is coaching her.
Horses will be horses!
Did everybody miss this horse is lame behind?!?
The rider or the family probably had connections, skill didn't matter, just influence. That's what awaits us in the future when racial- or minority quotas over quality are added to the selection criteria.
There is nothing wrong with this. The horse was having an off day and she handle it very well. Other than the horse acting up it was a very nice performance.
Where are the good tests?
Where are the Fuegos?
They are there and I'm sure you'll troll them too.
Um where is the video of Alicia Dickinson, the lady that ended CDJ career, belting a horse she was riding and why won't you post it here, so all your viewers and subscribers can see both sides of this story
Not sure why a video like this at the olympics would be deleted or why you take such pleasure in riders attempts? It was not a great ride, she was not going to win anything, not sure what she was trying to accomplish in the walk pirouettes, he didnt start rearing that day, he had some experience for sure.
HORRIBLE RIDING!!!
Mostly it didn't look any worse than modern standard dressage test riding to me; standard dressage riding being akin to animal abuse (in my and many others') estimation. The horse had clearly had enough. What I wonder, though, is what treatment did the poor animal get when out of the ring and back in the training barn, in order to "rectify" such "disobedience". I have alway disliked dressage riding, and more recently, I loathe it. It is pretty much cruelty to animals in plain sight; how can it be allowed to continue?
This is a very powerful horse having a temper tantrum. He may have been overly fresh or just had a bad day.
What ever the case was the rider handled it very well. She knew that it was coming and tried to contain it at the far end of the arena.
I thought that this rider did a good job.
There is always a reason when a horse wants out. Sometimes the surroundings scare him.
Good answer
What the heck? Arm flick apology for salute followed by pokey extended-trot-type forelegs but sort-of-passage-except-it’s-not-collected … bring back the classic riders to show these upstart jerks how to do DRESSAGE.
Pitiful communication!
Teeeeerrible rider.
Animal cruelty
I wish you would stop your unreasonable criticism. Stop humiliating amazing riders. You are damaging the sport.
He looked lame.
That was confusing???? Just what were they supposedly hiding?? It was a normal ride. The horse was just being sassy. Why would they hide that? Makes absolutely no sense
Dressage is disgusting anyway