She was not giving her head release. With that severe double bridle, she kept pulling back while spurring her. No wonder her horse had a nervous breakdown. These so called professional dressage riders have no solid horsemanship foundation. It’s a real tragedy what these cruel people with money have turned the dressage into in Europe.
When horses say NO and the rider ask for more, it reveals that horses are sports props and nothing else than that. The disrespect for the horse cries to the sky. I FEEL SICK
also that is a super quick path to a ruined horse that quits and gets more and more aggressive about doing any job. It can happen, this is the art of riding, when to press and when to wait.
I realize these horses are high strung, but you have to wonder if they are happy about being held with their heads like that. She didn't panic or lose her cool and even tried to pet him to calm him down. I really feel sorry for dressage horses.
I'd rather have my horses head long and low than folded in half. I don't mind collection as long as my horses head and neck doesn't look like a hard taco shell, and at least she didn't try to spur the horse forward(at least not from what I was able to watch) or hold him into collection and behaving rather than asking a question
He has had enough. Ive looked after many types of competition horses. Many are never turned out or allowed company incase they are injured. We take away there basic needs in the name of glory xxx
I was going to say just what Susie Lytal said. He’s either wound up about the environment or he’s just really saying no on this day, either way she’s telling him in a very calm and neutral way that ultimately whether they retire or not (and they eventually did) that it’s going to be a decision she sees best fit for them, not her just folding as soon as the horse begins to react to something. It’s something he has to work through at times. I think if it were me I would’ve retired before I even entered the arena, but of course you aren’t supposed to teach the horse in this way. I think it was more for an educational moment that she continued, and then when he actually went well, she, well, continued to continue. Then when he still has his moments after all, she did retire. I really do believe this looks more like a schooling opportunity than pushing and pushing for a complete test. She was very very calm and handled him super delicately. No escalation was on her part, in my opinion. Love the good pat at the walk as well ♡ another day!
Agreed, she knew she was scrapped on the test, she didn't even stop and halt at X this was just for the horse, to work thru the spook. Kept calm and didn't loose her cool just calmly kept the horse on task
Nicely said..I have to so this with my boy. Freaking out could cause injury to me or him. It really is a teaching moment. Also the horse can't throw a fit to get his way. It needs to be on the riders terms. If not the horse wins. Leasing to furthur tantrums or whatever... This rider did an excellent job...if she gets upset...the horse will escalate. I have owned my horse for going on 8 yrs. Once a week he has to " check" to see if the rules still apply. Also checking to see if something bad scares him. Can I keep him safe. Situations like this actually strengthen your trust & your bond.
And the rider said "I hear You, but believe me, it's safe in here, You're gonna be okay". Nothing wrong with that. Also, nothing wrong with the grooms(?) stepping in to help in a situation like that.
I trained in Germany from 1991 to 1994. I worked for 2 Olympic riders here in Canada. Most of the European horses don't get enough turn out or other kind of exercise. They are i the arena doing dressage. Burn out. My one boss in Germany had girls ride her competition horses out every afternoon for 2 hours. Of course the higher you get in the levels and the more you have invested then you don't want to let the horse wreck himself in the paddock. I think a lot of these horses just don't wanna anymore. He was presenting with the levade so they must be doing some seriously hard training with him at home.
Yep agree on lack of turnout in Germany. I worked 91-94 at Der Kronenhof in Langen near Frankfurt. Frau Opperman Willers and Gerhard Pietsch. Lots of drilling, training, hacking.... was "playing" and not allowed, nor was turnout. Horses were sour as hell.
@@BlueyKind got out of the dressage game after that. I guess some tack changes are for the better, better saddle fit etc. Rollkur existed then and does now.. Behind the scenes never changes much.. They are just more cautious now as everyone with a mobile phone is capable of filming.
I-had a lovely gentle 4 yo mare with a 9 trot that the day of big clinic suddenly started this behavior. No matter what I tried she did pretty much what you see here. It turned out that that day she realized her saddle no longer fit and was pinching her shoulders. Jump forward some tears and my four yo warmblood gelding that had never misbehaved suddenly was rearing and being really difficult. Bingo! Same cause. I switched to a bigger saddle and was right with the world! Tension, mental distress, muscle cramp in back can cause similar reaction. She rode quietly and refrained from pulling the horse around so that was good. Staying in the ring? She probably had paid out several thousands to get there and it’s hard just to walk away.
She wasn't competing in the ring so it was nothing to do with not wasting her money, she calmly put him through some of his paces so he left with a happy memory of the event. Good psychology ❤
@@lesleywilbourne7823 yep, she doesn't scratch the test until he's actually following directions, which she wouldn't be doing if she was just trying to get her money's worth/ride despite his discomfort. it takes patience to not just give up when they're unable to perform, but see if they can get comfortable and then end the whole process on a high note. the poor fellow had a bad day for some reason or another, it happens. we always hope it won't happen on a day as important as this, but, well. can't control fate! i hope she was (and is) proud of herself for how she handled him, it sucks that it didn't work out but it's one of those situations where a rider shows their true colors. and her colors shine!
Don't any of you ever just trail ride? Let a horse be a horse and enjoy the ride too? Is this competition so important to you that you can't let the horse enjoy being a horse? I keep seeing the words "job" and "performance" throughout comments. This is just some ego tripping BS to me.
I don't ubderstand people saying she's soft hand. This bit is very hard and made to make the horse artificially yield to the hand, you really don't have to put any force in it to be strong and painful. There are other strategies to bring back the calm, but it's not good looking in competition...
@@sheepishfibreart8460 i don't know what is a curb as i'm not english speaker, but what i saw in this video is a horse violently against the hand, and the hand not giving anything to the horse and fighting against the horse. It wasn't a horse who was scared and a rider who ws trying to confort him, I saw a horse trying to say no, and the rider trying to make him submit.
Definitely a terrible ride, poor horse was clearly saying something was wrong, and the rider ignored the horse and kept pushing. A horse that is healthy and comfortable doesn’t do this or act like this. Dressage is a horrible sport, I’ve never liked it. FEI is corrupt and doesn’t care about the animal’s welfare. FEI allows painful methods to be used and they allow pain to be inflicted onto horses. So many ride BTV(behind the vertical) and they use rollkur training. I’ve seen horrible methods used to make horses move like this. Dressage isn’t natural with the way people make it. I prefer liberty work a lot more, it’s natural, graceful, and elegant.
Certainly painful for the horse. I have ridden so called dressage horses and have been bitterly disappointed by how they feel. Hard through the back, strong in the hand, not a good feeling at all.
There is a lot of good going on here, she dealt with the situation calmly and without any real corrections, just letting him kind of sort himself out. I applaud her cool under this kind of environment, this will happen and when he did work it was so quiet with the mouth and tail. I really just see a horse learning to deal with the stress of being a show horse, they kind of have to enjoy it on some level or else they cannot really perform at top top levels. The un-named rider deserves praise for her composure. Having said this, if its habitual then maybe there is an issue that is not obvious or is just beginning but he went so quietly I kind of doubt it.
She dealt with it by pulling the head down and into rollkur position. Which had to make it worse. This is a hand-ridden horse that as punishment for protesting against it gets more hand riding.
I can applaud her for NOT trying to punish and “correct”, but… the horse said, “no” sooooo many times. I think the conversation around whether a sport horse should be given the right to say “no” to a sport they never signed up for is meaningful. For those of us who think horses should never be *forced* into performing for human entertainment, the better answer from a rider is to ask a few times… a few different ways… then get off and let the horse learn the Most Valuable Lesson of all: “I hear you. I won’t force you. You’re voice matters.” I don’t personally feel a horse in sport context NEEDS to “learn to deal with the stress of sport.” Instead, as riders, *we* need to learn to “deal with the stress of not getting what we want from a thinking, feeling creature.”
@@petrairene the quality of the video makes it hard to see, but it appears like there’s considerable slack in the reins when he’s tucked behind the vertical. We can also see the use of an opening rein rather than a “direct” pulling rein, which isn’t a characteristic of rollkur. It looks more like he’s doing it out of stress rather than the rider’s pulling.
@@mariekesillevissmitt7833 do you know that when a horse is BTV he cannot resist- because no muscles excist for that job? So this ''light rein'' is just the result of that
I am curious how old this horse is, because if I saw this behavior from a seasoned competitor I would immediately be looking for pain and overtraining. But if this is a fairly green horse, I would point out that while there is clearly extreme tension in the horse, the rider kept her seat and hands pretty soft and didn't appear to get involved in any emotional drama. Once in the ring, the horse moved off softly though I did notice some serious side-eye when he caught sight of his shadow. Without knowing the history of this pair, I am willing to give them both some grace. I hope she gives him some extra opportunities to take low-stress outings and get more familiar with strange rings/arenas so that he can relax and enjoy performing, because he looks like a talented horse to me. Just my two cents!
The CDI arena at Global is a very high pressure situation for the horse. I was there watching and the rider did a good job of salvaging something positive from the experience
It happens. Horses, like people, have bad days. Some can be avoided some cant. This horse was just really saying he wasn't doing it today. Which is understandable. he was trying his best
I agree with many that upper level horses are pushed too far too young. This seems to be a prime example of a horse that trigger stacked and when saying "this is too much for me mentally" it is told to do it anyway instead of investigating why the horse trigger stacked/what made the cup spill over. Learned helplessness is a state where learning isn't actually taking place..... Just because they "worked through it" doesn't mean this horse won't get more dangerous in it's behaviors when it's saying "no" .... I wouldn't be surprised if this horse progresses to a rearer when it gets stressed because many get off once a horse rears.... All steaming from this experience because it was not listened too when the horse said "this is too much."
Another athlete horse that stays in a stall all the time, except when he's training, never foraging in pasture, little to none much needed socialization with other horses and herd animals, not enough down time between competitions. This is the result.
Could what the horse was saying have been any more obvious? When will these sick, selfish humans stop harming these magnificent horses? They don't deserve these horses. A TRUE RIDER looks out for the well-being and happiness of his or her horses. I can't get mine to leave me alone! They beg to be ridden. This horse is begging for it to STOP. And being ignored.
Something definitely wrong here, either with a tack problem, or the horse simply doesn't enjoy competition dressage and wants to stop. They don't all enjoy the pressures of competition, that's the rider! ❤❤
That's not a horse that's spooked or startled or temporarily panicked. That's a horse that, for whatever reason, is refusing EVERYTHING. That's not the time to force the issue.
It's not forcing the issue, they did eventually retire but, and you should do this in everything around your horse, she made it her idea. Regardless of what you horsey thinks I'm the leader, we're going to do what I think is best. If your horse realizes they do not have a leader but a follower riding them they will instantly think they have to take charge and that's no good for anyone. The best example I can think of is when a horse is gate sour. Like you don't instantly fold and get off and go home because now they know that if they're tired they can just drag you to the gate regardless of situations and it's ok so don do dat lol
@@Linda.0708 Do you really think that's what happened here? It's possible, I guess. To me, though, it looks like the horse was simply reminded (not for the first time, I suspect) that he has no choice, no rights, and no options - which, of course, is a form of "training," albeit a negative one. Nobody can say for sure, based on a short video. I just hope this horse catches a break. He looks like he could use some time away from that unrelenting "competition frame", and maybe a change-up in his training routine.
@@shadykatelynn932 Of course we're all taught this as kids, and it's obviously true UP TO A POINT. After that point, though, it's all downhill. A "leader" who drives her horse into chronic, untreated pain, or into mental stress that's really unsupportable, will have a woefully hard time regaining his trust.
Spurs... double bit.. double rein... shanks... mouth ties.... crop whip.... shear equine burnout .... pain compliance is not the way for any Horse. Head set to point of vision and breathing challenges....
What a truly beautiful, and a magnificent moving horse ☺ Pity about how this went on the day, as I really would've liked to watch this horse some more. From, Australia ☺
immediately , at the end of the 10th second of the video , the horse traverses its haunches to the left , which means that the horse is nothing wrong , but simply stiff and unbent ( in old language unbroken or entier ) . Its place is at home , to work on simple gymnastics of shoulder in , croup to the wall , taking the corner , but has nothing to do in whatever competition . But for this , the rider will have to drop off spurs , bridles and other unnecessary means and go back to simple aids , i-e open seat , absolutely no spurs and simple bridon , and of course opportune exercises .
No guessing here. This is not a green horse and the rider carries a whip. The mouth is frothing and opening forcefully as much as the right noseband allows. The horse is not bending properly, he just swings his hind asides as the short neck will not allow anything else His poll is behind the vertical and he tries to get freedom from the rein during the avoidance. Let's not paint this white by saying it happens because horses are freakish. The truth here is right in front of us - these people train the horse by very - VERY -tight hands, causing a lot of pain.
Very well said! This horse is repeatedly trying to escape the pain in a very polite manner. The rider cares too much about the competition and ignores the horse's needs. She forces him to do the dressage test while in hyperflexion..
Wonder why this is so prevalent in Dressage. I was hoping the 2 grooms were coming to help her lead him back to his stall. Or go hand graze him. But no! Forget the horse. Im in Wellington. I want to show off. Im so disgusted by the inflated egos of theses women that seek attention!
Why riders are not able to dismount and lead the horse? Instead they depend on the other person to come and lead. It appears the only function of rider is to be abuser on the horse's back.
I'm not a pro any way. But I don't see anything criminal here. That a "no" for sure, but... no beating, no rough rein work, no rudeness, no cruelty. No need to attack the rider and make nasty comments, she dealt the situation gracefully. It's her horse, I guess the rider knows him/her best and what's best for him/her.
Hyperflexion is damaging to any horse.. That's really not up for discussion. Yes, the rider is very calm and does not lash out but just because she isn't as bad as other riders doesn't make her good. She ignores her horse, puts the competition first and forces her horse into hyperflexion.
@@jasminlisanne5244 If she put the competition first, she won't quit so fast, I suppose. Imo, she just wanted to leave on a good note, so the horse could get used a little to the arena, the noise etc. I'm not going to judge. Cause all we see is a four minute video, none of us knows this horse nor the rider, and how they really get on. No offense)
Horses are just horses and herd animals. Wonder if it couldn’t be a help to have a few calm horses standing around the arena for comfort. It’s a lot to take in for a lot of horses in a new place with people and flags, it’s natural to be anxious for them.
Sad accumulation of many years of too much. Too much hyperflexion, too much work and not enough play. I'd say no too! seriously, if you have a dressage horse and it hates it., then Why continue? Maybe Grand Prix should be with no bit and no saddle. Show some real riding and real training.
Just love all the comments from selfmade professionals here, quite astonishing how so many people know exactly what the horse was thinking and what he had experienced previously - where can I get all this information? Crystal ball maybe? 🤔
at first throw the riding crop away . It often makes the horse feel nervous . And a little hint if the horse says NO I CAN'T DO IT stop it and leave . Never tell a horse to do anything it doesn't want to do !!!
Like everyone else commenting on this video, I have no idea of what set that horse off and I doubt the rider did either. What I do know is the Rider sat through it all with total equanimity. She didn't get upset. She didn't punish. She very patiently rode the horse through it, got into the ring, schooled for a minute or so and then exited. Perfect response to a completely imperfect situation. While there was obviously something in that arena that frightened the horse, he never displayed the symptoms of a poorly trained overwrought horse. Throughout the episode and the very nice moments in the ring his tail is always relaxed and undulating. He never got all lathered up with sweat or even acted in a panicky way. It was just something there that he found not quite right. While in the ring and actually performing I thought he looked really, really nice! Too bad you rail bird experts don't have enough sense to recognize an excellent Rider and beautifully trained horse for what they are - a great combination having a bad moment, not a bad program.
Oh, you have to hate it when they come unglued and stuck in reverse gear... So long as they're going forward, even if they try to run through your hands, bolt, or buck, you have *something* to work with. When they backpedal, there's not much you can do that doesn't risk making it worse. You're just sitting there hoping the animal has enough self-preservation instinct function left to avoid backing into a serious wreck.
I'm rehabbing a beautiful warmblood that was forced in everything. After 7 months of gentle, light very gradual old school training, she is opening up like a flower. She was called a demon at her other barn, so wrong, she's light and happy without restrictive measures. Old school, Spanish riding school. People learn to observe and listen to your horse!
NO. The horse was saying NO. Listen. Stop. Dismount. Calm. Stuff competitive dressage - bring back classic dressage; we never saw stressed burnt out over bent horses when they were ridden and trained correctly.
That's what today's dressage has become: Circus-Trick-Riding. Has nothing to do with the principles of classic dressage training anymore. Sad, sad development. The result are frustrated horses, barely functioning out of fear with utter pain and discomfort. Quo vadis, dressage? This horse needs to get back to the basics and gain trust and confidence. To train a horse from zero to GP used to take up to seven years. No more............. Time is money. :(
There is something wrong. Get off and find out the problem. A well trained horse doesnt just do this. There is a reason. You need to find out what it is and fix it.
If you ride the horse with shortened choking reins and then do Rollkur behind the barn, what do you expect? All the riders want is to take shortcuts to get to Grand Prix no matter what it does to their horses. This is abuse and the poor talented horse is in for punishment every ride because they are overworked with no relief and they are treated like a robot.
You can see this horse is clearly hallucinating! I mean, are there people out do you think it's possible there are people out there that would give a horse a treat that was tainted with a hallucinagenic substance that would actually give To make them sick during their performance? Yes, there are!
She was not giving her head release. With that severe double bridle, she kept pulling back while spurring her. No wonder her horse had a nervous breakdown. These so called professional dressage riders have no solid horsemanship foundation. It’s a real tragedy what these cruel people with money have turned the dressage into in Europe.
Have trained 6 horses: that horse is done.
Overworked
Iver stress out
Not enough down time for that horse.
When horses say NO and the rider ask for more, it reveals that horses are sports props and nothing else than that. The disrespect for the horse cries to the sky. I FEEL SICK
also that is a super quick path to a ruined horse that quits and gets more and more aggressive about doing any job. It can happen, this is the art of riding, when to press and when to wait.
That's my opinion too!!!!
Poor horse
Stop with all the monotonous activities perpetrated by countless PAIN DEVICES. NOT horse friendly at all.
That's why this sport is so sick.
I realize these horses are high strung, but you have to wonder if they are happy about being held with their heads like that. She didn't panic or lose her cool and even tried to pet him to calm him down. I really feel sorry for dressage horses.
watch edward gal riding moorland's totilas.
I'd rather have my horses head long and low than folded in half. I don't mind collection as long as my horses head and neck doesn't look like a hard taco shell, and at least she didn't try to spur the horse forward(at least not from what I was able to watch) or hold him into collection and behaving rather than asking a question
He has had enough. Ive looked after many types of competition horses. Many are never turned out or allowed company incase they are injured. We take away there basic needs in the name of glory xxx
Dreadful rider. Horse was backing away from contact and not once did she give with her hands , let alone drop the curb.
I was going to say just what Susie Lytal said. He’s either wound up about the environment or he’s just really saying no on this day, either way she’s telling him in a very calm and neutral way that ultimately whether they retire or not (and they eventually did) that it’s going to be a decision she sees best fit for them, not her just folding as soon as the horse begins to react to something. It’s something he has to work through at times. I think if it were me I would’ve retired before I even entered the arena, but of course you aren’t supposed to teach the horse in this way. I think it was more for an educational moment that she continued, and then when he actually went well, she, well, continued to continue. Then when he still has his moments after all, she did retire. I really do believe this looks more like a schooling opportunity than pushing and pushing for a complete test. She was very very calm and handled him super delicately. No escalation was on her part, in my opinion. Love the good pat at the walk as well ♡ another day!
I wouldn't have taken the horse to the event. He looked like a malfunctioning robot.
Agreed, she knew she was scrapped on the test, she didn't even stop and halt at X this was just for the horse, to work thru the spook. Kept calm and didn't loose her cool just calmly kept the horse on task
I'd call that BURN OUT.
Nicely said..I have to so this with my boy. Freaking out could cause injury to me or him. It really is a teaching moment. Also the horse can't throw a fit to get his way. It needs to be on the riders terms. If not the horse wins. Leasing to furthur tantrums or whatever... This rider did an excellent job...if she gets upset...the horse will escalate. I have owned my horse for going on 8 yrs. Once a week he has to " check" to see if the rules still apply. Also checking to see if something bad scares him. Can I keep him safe. Situations like this actually strengthen your trust & your bond.
"He's not giving you a hard time. He's having a hard time"......
Could that horse say any more clearly that it just wants out of there
And the rider said "I hear You, but believe me, it's safe in here, You're gonna be okay".
Nothing wrong with that. Also, nothing wrong with the grooms(?) stepping in to help in a situation like that.
I trained in Germany from 1991 to 1994. I worked for 2 Olympic riders here in Canada. Most of the European horses don't get enough turn out or other kind of exercise. They are i the arena doing dressage. Burn out. My one boss in Germany had girls ride her competition horses out every afternoon for 2 hours. Of course the higher you get in the levels and the more you have invested then you don't want to let the horse wreck himself in the paddock. I think a lot of these horses just don't wanna anymore. He was presenting with the levade so they must be doing some seriously hard training with him at home.
Yep agree on lack of turnout in Germany. I worked 91-94 at Der Kronenhof in Langen near Frankfurt. Frau Opperman Willers and Gerhard Pietsch. Lots of drilling, training, hacking.... was "playing" and not allowed, nor was turnout. Horses were sour as hell.
@@kimsutherland977 That was 30 years ago. Has nothing changed?
@@BlueyKind got out of the dressage game after that. I guess some tack changes are for the better, better saddle fit etc. Rollkur existed then and does now.. Behind the scenes never changes much.. They are just more cautious now as everyone with a mobile phone is capable of filming.
I-had a lovely gentle 4 yo mare with a 9 trot that the day of big clinic suddenly started this behavior. No matter what I tried she did pretty much what you see here. It turned out that that day she realized her saddle no longer fit and was pinching her shoulders. Jump forward some tears and my four yo warmblood gelding that had never misbehaved suddenly was rearing and being really difficult. Bingo! Same cause. I switched to a bigger saddle and was right with the world! Tension, mental distress, muscle cramp in back can cause similar reaction. She rode quietly and refrained from pulling the horse around so that was good. Staying in the ring? She probably had paid out several thousands to get there and it’s hard just to walk away.
She wasn't competing in the ring so it was nothing to do with not wasting her money, she calmly put him through some of his paces so he left with a happy memory of the event. Good psychology ❤
I thought the horses behavior had something to do with pain from something.
@@lesleywilbourne7823 yep, she doesn't scratch the test until he's actually following directions, which she wouldn't be doing if she was just trying to get her money's worth/ride despite his discomfort. it takes patience to not just give up when they're unable to perform, but see if they can get comfortable and then end the whole process on a high note. the poor fellow had a bad day for some reason or another, it happens. we always hope it won't happen on a day as important as this, but, well. can't control fate! i hope she was (and is) proud of herself for how she handled him, it sucks that it didn't work out but it's one of those situations where a rider shows their true colors. and her colors shine!
Don't any of you ever just trail ride? Let a horse be a horse and enjoy the ride too? Is this competition so important to you that you can't let the horse enjoy being a horse? I keep seeing the words "job" and "performance" throughout comments. This is just some ego tripping BS to me.
I don't ubderstand people saying she's soft hand. This bit is very hard and made to make the horse artificially yield to the hand, you really don't have to put any force in it to be strong and painful. There are other strategies to bring back the calm, but it's not good looking in competition...
Exactly. Curb is practically parallel to the ground the entire time.
@@sheepishfibreart8460 i don't know what is a curb as i'm not english speaker, but what i saw in this video is a horse violently against the hand, and the hand not giving anything to the horse and fighting against the horse.
It wasn't a horse who was scared and a rider who ws trying to confort him, I saw a horse trying to say no, and the rider trying to make him submit.
The horse is saying "let go of my face!"
Definitely a terrible ride, poor horse was clearly saying something was wrong, and the rider ignored the horse and kept pushing. A horse that is healthy and comfortable doesn’t do this or act like this. Dressage is a horrible sport, I’ve never liked it. FEI is corrupt and doesn’t care about the animal’s welfare. FEI allows painful methods to be used and they allow pain to be inflicted onto horses. So many ride BTV(behind the vertical) and they use rollkur training. I’ve seen horrible methods used to make horses move like this. Dressage isn’t natural with the way people make it. I prefer liberty work a lot more, it’s natural, graceful, and elegant.
So much for “X halt salute”….sadly this is what modern day dressage has become…painful to watch and probably painful for the horse
Certainly painful for the horse. I have ridden so called dressage horses and have been bitterly disappointed by how they feel.
Hard through the back, strong in the hand, not a good feeling at all.
There is a lot of good going on here, she dealt with the situation calmly and without any real corrections, just letting him kind of sort himself out. I applaud her cool under this kind of environment, this will happen and when he did work it was so quiet with the mouth and tail. I really just see a horse learning to deal with the stress of being a show horse, they kind of have to enjoy it on some level or else they cannot really perform at top top levels. The un-named rider deserves praise for her composure.
Having said this, if its habitual then maybe there is an issue that is not obvious or is just beginning but he went so quietly I kind of doubt it.
She dealt with it by pulling the head down and into rollkur position. Which had to make it worse. This is a hand-ridden horse that as punishment for protesting against it gets more hand riding.
I can applaud her for NOT trying to punish and “correct”, but… the horse said, “no” sooooo many times. I think the conversation around whether a sport horse should be given the right to say “no” to a sport they never signed up for is meaningful.
For those of us who think horses should never be *forced* into performing for human entertainment, the better answer from a rider is to ask a few times… a few different ways… then get off and let the horse learn the Most Valuable Lesson of all: “I hear you. I won’t force you. You’re voice matters.”
I don’t personally feel a horse in sport context NEEDS to “learn to deal with the stress of sport.” Instead, as riders, *we* need to learn to “deal with the stress of not getting what we want from a thinking, feeling creature.”
@@petrairene the quality of the video makes it hard to see, but it appears like there’s considerable slack in the reins when he’s tucked behind the vertical. We can also see the use of an opening rein rather than a “direct” pulling rein, which isn’t a characteristic of rollkur. It looks more like he’s doing it out of stress rather than the rider’s pulling.
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@@mariekesillevissmitt7833 do you know that when a horse is BTV he cannot resist- because no muscles excist for that job? So this ''light rein'' is just the result of that
I know nothing about this sport, but the horse looked weak in his hind legs. Several times it looked as though he was going to fall.
I am curious how old this horse is, because if I saw this behavior from a seasoned competitor I would immediately be looking for pain and overtraining. But if this is a fairly green horse, I would point out that while there is clearly extreme tension in the horse, the rider kept her seat and hands pretty soft and didn't appear to get involved in any emotional drama. Once in the ring, the horse moved off softly though I did notice some serious side-eye when he caught sight of his shadow. Without knowing the history of this pair, I am willing to give them both some grace. I hope she gives him some extra opportunities to take low-stress outings and get more familiar with strange rings/arenas so that he can relax and enjoy performing, because he looks like a talented horse to me. Just my two cents!
The CDI arena at Global is a very high pressure situation for the horse. I was there watching and the rider did a good job of salvaging something positive from the experience
Well stated.
I used to barrel race, and those horses have similar feelings and reactions upon entering the gate in that sport, too.
It happens. Horses, like people, have bad days. Some can be avoided some cant. This horse was just really saying he wasn't doing it today. Which is understandable. he was trying his best
I agree with many that upper level horses are pushed too far too young. This seems to be a prime example of a horse that trigger stacked and when saying "this is too much for me mentally" it is told to do it anyway instead of investigating why the horse trigger stacked/what made the cup spill over. Learned helplessness is a state where learning isn't actually taking place..... Just because they "worked through it" doesn't mean this horse won't get more dangerous in it's behaviors when it's saying "no" .... I wouldn't be surprised if this horse progresses to a rearer when it gets stressed because many get off once a horse rears.... All steaming from this experience because it was not listened too when the horse said "this is too much."
Another athlete horse that stays in a stall all the time, except when he's training, never foraging in pasture, little to none much needed socialization with other horses and herd animals, not enough down time between competitions. This is the result.
Horse is sick of it! Probably over trained.
If the horse would have reacted more intelligently, he would have kicked her off in three seconds.
When you capitalize on anything, you put it in grave danger
Dressage horses always looked stressed to me, I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.
now days most dressage horses in the grand prix are hyper flexed and the moves over exateratee
@@moppimasiina
Yes, to the ignorant eye.🙄🙄🙄
@@GoRideConnor dressage has gone from relaxed and physically correct movements to exaturated, flashy and stressed movements..
They ARE stressed! Most of them ARE trained with à rollkur. Modern compétition dressage is a sickening disgrace .
@@moppimasiina "exateratee"?
WHY IS SHE STILL ON AND NOT DISMOUNTING TO CALM THE HORSE?????? I am BAFFLED.
This needs banning and dropped from the Olympics.
This is why many horseman call it Stressage
Asked & answered rider!
Could what the horse was saying have been any more obvious? When will these sick, selfish humans stop harming these magnificent horses? They don't deserve these horses. A TRUE RIDER looks out for the well-being and happiness of his or her horses. I can't get mine to leave me alone! They beg to be ridden. This horse is begging for it to STOP. And being ignored.
Something definitely wrong here, either with a tack problem, or the horse simply doesn't enjoy competition dressage and wants to stop. They don't all enjoy the pressures of competition, that's the rider! ❤❤
Mein Gott. Das arme Pferd!!!
That's not a horse that's spooked or startled or temporarily panicked. That's a horse that, for whatever reason, is refusing EVERYTHING. That's not the time to force the issue.
She did it pure to give the horse a good experience! And she did
It's not forcing the issue, they did eventually retire but, and you should do this in everything around your horse, she made it her idea. Regardless of what you horsey thinks I'm the leader, we're going to do what I think is best. If your horse realizes they do not have a leader but a follower riding them they will instantly think they have to take charge and that's no good for anyone. The best example I can think of is when a horse is gate sour. Like you don't instantly fold and get off and go home because now they know that if they're tired they can just drag you to the gate regardless of situations and it's ok so don do dat lol
@@Linda.0708 Do you really think that's what happened here? It's possible, I guess. To me, though, it looks like the horse was simply reminded (not for the first time, I suspect) that he has no choice, no rights, and no options - which, of course, is a form of "training," albeit a negative one.
Nobody can say for sure, based on a short video. I just hope this horse catches a break. He looks like he could use some time away from that unrelenting "competition frame", and maybe a change-up in his training routine.
@@shadykatelynn932 Of course we're all taught this as kids, and it's obviously true UP TO A POINT. After that point, though, it's all downhill. A "leader" who drives her horse into chronic, untreated pain, or into mental stress that's really unsupportable, will have a woefully hard time regaining his trust.
@@PonyTrotsky Exactly.
Spurs... double bit.. double rein... shanks... mouth ties.... crop whip.... shear equine burnout .... pain compliance is not the way for any Horse. Head set to point of vision and breathing challenges....
I applaud rider. Very calm about it. I bet horse is young. She stayed calm throughout
Is this burn out, overworked, nerves whatever the cause I believe this animal is in need of a break from it all?
When my horse has a melt down. It is a whole lot worse than this. I agree the horse was saying no. Not today. Georgous horse though!
I really don’t like to see this. Poor horses 😢
These horses can hardly breathe/see having their heads like this. I can hardly watch this!
I agree with comment he wanted the horse to at least leave on a good note. Would have been interesting to see the warm up
Pourquoi insister ??? Il ne se sens pas bien, il suffit d'abandonner.
Meltdowns happen, this one was handled beautifully
“handled”?
Yes, painful for the horse. Painful to watch. She should've gotten off the horse and walked away the horse is obviously upset or in pain or both.
This is rollkur burnout.
What a truly beautiful, and a magnificent moving horse ☺ Pity about how this went on the day, as I really would've liked to watch this horse some more. From, Australia ☺
the poor horse
He’s a saint
I personally would’ve let the horse end on a “good note” back in the warmup ring in a long stretching trot. No need to push through to the test
Perfectly solved without any extra pressure for the horse. This is keep on thinking forward like it should be.
Big applause for the rider.
Well done.
LS What happened to this horse at home???????????????
immediately , at the end of the 10th second of the video , the horse traverses its haunches to the left , which means that the horse is nothing wrong , but simply stiff and unbent ( in old language unbroken or entier ) . Its place is at home , to work on simple gymnastics of shoulder in , croup to the wall , taking the corner , but has nothing to do in whatever competition . But for this , the rider will have to drop off spurs , bridles and other unnecessary means and go back to simple aids , i-e open seat , absolutely no spurs and simple bridon , and of course opportune exercises .
A good rider would have listened to their horse
As usual. Way too many opinionated armchair experts insist on commenting. If you can say nothing nice, say nothing
Horse needs a break probably has burn out!
No guessing here. This is not a green horse and the rider carries a whip. The mouth is frothing and opening forcefully as much as the right noseband allows. The horse is not bending properly, he just swings his hind asides as the short neck will not allow anything else His poll is behind the vertical and he tries to get freedom from the rein during the avoidance. Let's not paint this white by saying it happens because horses are freakish. The truth here is right in front of us - these people train the horse by very - VERY -tight hands, causing a lot of pain.
Very well said! This horse is repeatedly trying to escape the pain in a very polite manner. The rider cares too much about the competition and ignores the horse's needs. She forces him to do the dressage test while in hyperflexion..
So many horses with messed up minds
Sometimes bending to a one rein stop is calming.
Wonder why this is so prevalent in Dressage. I was hoping the 2 grooms were coming to help her lead him back to his stall. Or go hand graze him. But no! Forget the horse. Im in Wellington. I want to show off. Im so disgusted by the inflated egos of theses women that seek attention!
Why riders are not able to dismount and lead the horse? Instead they depend on the other person to come and lead. It appears the only function of rider is to be abuser on the horse's back.
A thorough soundness exam by a good honest veterinarian is in order.
I'm not a pro any way. But I don't see anything criminal here. That a "no" for sure, but... no beating, no rough rein work, no rudeness, no cruelty. No need to attack the rider and make nasty comments, she dealt the situation gracefully. It's her horse, I guess the rider knows him/her best and what's best for him/her.
Hyperflexion is damaging to any horse.. That's really not up for discussion. Yes, the rider is very calm and does not lash out but just because she isn't as bad as other riders doesn't make her good. She ignores her horse, puts the competition first and forces her horse into hyperflexion.
@@jasminlisanne5244 If she put the competition first, she won't quit so fast, I suppose. Imo, she just wanted to leave on a good note, so the horse could get used a little to the arena, the noise etc. I'm not going to judge. Cause all we see is a four minute video, none of us knows this horse nor the rider, and how they really get on. No offense)
Horses are just horses and herd animals. Wonder if it couldn’t be a help to have a few calm horses standing around the arena for comfort. It’s a lot to take in for a lot of horses in a new place with people and flags, it’s natural to be anxious for them.
Sad accumulation of many years of too much. Too much hyperflexion, too much work and not enough play. I'd say no too!
seriously, if you have a dressage horse and it hates it., then Why continue? Maybe Grand Prix should be with no bit and no saddle. Show some real riding and real training.
That is the biggest NO I have ever seen from a dressage horse. 😳
I’m sorry but this horse is terrified & terrified to go forward. Looks very sore in the mouth too.
Just love all the comments from selfmade professionals here, quite astonishing how so many people know exactly what the horse was thinking and what he had experienced previously - where can I get all this information? Crystal ball maybe? 🤔
at first throw the riding crop away . It often makes the horse feel nervous . And a little hint if the horse says NO I CAN'T DO IT stop it and leave . Never tell a horse to do anything it doesn't want to do !!!
Second time the horse clearly is reacting to pulling the bit.
Unhappy horse
Wound up 'way too tight.
And too narrow head/neck position.
Like everyone else commenting on this video, I have no idea of what set that horse off and I doubt the rider did either.
What I do know is the Rider sat through it all with total equanimity. She didn't get upset. She didn't punish. She very patiently rode the horse through it, got into the ring, schooled for a minute or so and then exited. Perfect response to a completely imperfect situation.
While there was obviously something in that arena that frightened the horse, he never displayed the symptoms of a poorly trained overwrought horse. Throughout the episode and the very nice moments in the ring his tail is always relaxed and undulating. He never got all lathered up with sweat or even acted in a panicky way. It was just something there that he found not quite right.
While in the ring and actually performing I thought he looked really, really nice! Too bad you rail bird experts don't have enough sense to recognize an excellent Rider and beautifully trained horse for what they are - a great combination having a bad moment, not a bad program.
Oh, you have to hate it when they come unglued and stuck in reverse gear... So long as they're going forward, even if they try to run through your hands, bolt, or buck, you have *something* to work with. When they backpedal, there's not much you can do that doesn't risk making it worse. You're just sitting there hoping the animal has enough self-preservation instinct function left to avoid backing into a serious wreck.
Third disaster in Wellington 🤔
That's only from what I watch...I don't watch the majority of the Livestream. There are probably more.
Now of looke again two dressage rules contravened, outside assistance and exceeding 90 seconds to enter is usually elimination
The judges should not have allowed that rider to compete
Ah, the carnivorous horse-eating flowers....
I'm rehabbing a beautiful warmblood that was forced in everything.
After 7 months of gentle, light very gradual old school training, she is opening up like a flower. She was called a demon at her other barn, so wrong, she's light and happy without restrictive measures.
Old school, Spanish riding school. People learn to observe and listen to your horse!
Surely that was outside assitance against the rules surely
Why can't people just let a horse be a darn horse. Stop FORCING this crap!
Those levades and school halts though!
ikr? omg!
Haha yes it's unusual to see a competitor able to actually lower the haunches!
The situation was handled very well, rider stayed calm and the horse was led forward quietly
NO. The horse was saying NO. Listen. Stop. Dismount. Calm. Stuff competitive dressage - bring back classic dressage; we never saw stressed burnt out over bent horses when they were ridden and trained correctly.
Totally agree, well handled
Such a good and honest horse. What a shame
Horse is protesting either in pain or like others mentioned over worked 😢 so sad
That rollkur is so painful.
The horse is screaming no. I feel so sorry for him.. 😢
That's what today's dressage has become: Circus-Trick-Riding. Has nothing to do with the principles of classic dressage training anymore. Sad, sad development. The result are frustrated horses, barely functioning out of fear with utter pain and discomfort. Quo vadis, dressage? This horse needs to get back to the basics and gain trust and confidence. To train a horse from zero to GP used to take up to seven years. No more............. Time is money. :(
I feel sorry for all mistreated horses 😢
Today is a good day to try levade.
The Flying Halt! Horse trusts his groom more than his rider.
And maybe performing at such a high spec, day in day out, with the head in such a restrained position had all become too much
The horse probably has pain-joints maybe. He sees this as punishment.
What😮 a trip! Maybe is the same as of all cases: noseband to tight!!!!
Ironic to see Helgstrand name prominent.
So she gets him in there but instead of trotting around, giving lots of praise and retiring, she chose to increase the pressure and force the issue.
At some point, when do you get off and lead the horse forward? It shouldn’t be up to another person on the ground. Retire gracefully.
There is something wrong. Get off and find out the problem. A well trained horse doesnt just do this. There is a reason. You need to find out what it is and fix it.
Huh. I’m no Grand Prix rider but if my horse is volunteering to rear I ask him forward.
She should never have entered the ring..no congrats for this rider
I hope the horse survived.
Why did she not get off? Why did no one interfere right away and asked her to stop?
The way it's dropping its hind quarters and trying to raise head suggests pain making me angry now
Just dismount and get someone to lead the poor horse somewhere quiet. Preferably away from YOU.
If you ride the horse with shortened choking reins and then do Rollkur behind the barn, what do you expect? All the riders want is to take shortcuts to get to Grand Prix no matter what it does to their horses. This is abuse and the poor talented horse is in for punishment every ride because they are overworked with no relief and they are treated like a robot.
You can see this horse is clearly hallucinating! I mean, are there people out do you think it's possible there are people out there that would give a horse a treat that was tainted with a hallucinagenic substance that would actually give
To make them sick during their performance? Yes, there are!