Versus Series: Darth Malgus Vs. Inquisitor Jerec
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- Moving into part 2 of the "Darth Malgus Mini-Marathon" here on Versus Series Season 7, we're pitting the Sith Warrior of the Old Republic against the powerful Inquisitor of the Galactic Empire Jerec!
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Hope you guys enjoy part two of the "Darth Malgus Mini-Marathon”. Been wanting to explore Inquisitor Jerec for quite a while.
How many videos are planned for Malgus to be in?
In a future match, can we see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker (or Mace Windu, if it's a more interesting match.) vs Darth Malgus and Lord Vindican.
Side note, isn't Acina pronounced Asee-na?
I've always enjoyed your content. Keep it up, and stay safe.
Who is the last opponent to face the great Lord Malgus
Who else wants to see a fan film of Jerec soloing all of the canon inquisitors?
Me!
it wouldn't be that hard for him either, he's not far below Vader in Force power.
Jerec wouldn't even have to draw his lightsaber. Just use the force to crush all of them! lol.
The only Disney canon Inquisitor who would give Jerec a decent fight is Trilla Suduri, a.k.a. the Second Sister from Jedi Fallen Order. But the rest are weak sauce fodder who aren't worthy to even kiss his boots.
The Grand Inquisitor being his heavily bastardized rip-off.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np I doubt Trilla would be a match either as you see how terrified of Vader she is and Jerec is close to Vader in power and right up there with Palpatine in cruelty.(ask Morgan Katarn's head)
Cool match-up, but I feel like Malgus is a little outside of Jerec's weight class, literally and metaphorically.
Way above his weight class.
I think we hype malgus just little to much he is high master level at best or maybe bottom grandmaster tier
I’m laying my bets on Malgus.
Goro Akechi I’m sure you would traitor XD (not that I’m complaining, you are my favourite character in p5)
I was really curious to hear your analysis of Jerec, when compared to Connor's back in his Traya VS Jerec video. Not disappointed at all.
This was a really fun video! Haven't seen Jerec used since Jensaarai pitted him against Kreia all those years ago. Makes me feel hella old. Looking forward to more of this Malgus marathon. I hope you find a good video to use Dooku again one of these days. Just hearing him get a mention in this gets the Makashi fan in me excited
Lets just say I have some plans for the Count next season. :)
@@EvanNova95 have any plans to use Maul at all? Considering what we got to see of his power in clone was season 7, id be interested in how you'd use him in a fight now.
Speaking of Makashi, I wonder if Dooku and Jerec ever interacted before Jerec set off for the Unknown Regions. I think the Count would have been pleased to meet someone else who appreciated the Form.
Definitely
@@Wright805 Jerec was never stated officially to be a form 2 specialist by any source that I know of, so it's pure speculation whether he attained knowledge of the form after or before he became an Inquisitor, I reckon his original style was Niman learning Makashi when he was tasked with hunting down Jedi to hone his skills with the blade and provide an edge over jedi whom preferred other styles is what I guess is how he built his style however we'll never know now.
To be fair, Anakin's defeat of Dooku wasn't so simple as Djem So overpowering Makashi. Dooku simply toyed with young Skywalker not taking their dual seriously until he found himself being caught on the back foot.
there's also the robotic arm, Dooku being 4 times Anakin's age, Anakin being one of the greatest Djem So Masters of his time(according to Dooku's own estimation in their final duel) Anakin literally being the Chosen one with an almost bottomless well of Force power to fuel himself once he tapped into his emotions. It's not as simple as 'Djem So defeats Makassi' which I think is a grave oversimplification and misreading of the events.
I agree I think most of people underestimate the count and form 2.he was fighting two on one for an extended period of time against younger stronger fighters of near equal skill with styles that complemented each other and made it difficult for Dooku to take full advantage of Makashi.Conner is the only one who I’ve heard say that Dooku would have one that fight even with things being so stacked against had certain things been slightly altered. We saw up to that point the count holding his own and out maneuvering both Kenobi and skywalker.
Anakin when he was toyed didn't take the fight seriously at all either
@@TheDixieBassMan i disagree with Conner as Dooku couldn't do anything to Anakin while Anakin was outright overpowering and Dooku was being countered by him
@@397llederson6 no, he very much was taking it seriously, just in two different ways.
The first way was in having to constantly keep his emotions under control, try and keep Obi Wan and the Chancellor safe, get back to Padme and win the battle. He's very much taking it seriously.
The second way is when he releases that lid off his emotions and taps into them for power. Then he is VERY seriously deciding to use everything to defeat Dooku.
Anakin is not 'playing' that entire fight, he's very serious about the entire thing.
I do not dissagree with your verdict, however, I think the overall assessment of why is not flawless. Form II is NOT a poor choice against Djem So. It is that Djem So is the only traditional form where a similarly capable Master practitioner -can- beat a Makashi Master. Djem SO is grounded, steady, and relentless, and like Makashi likes to make linear attack sequences rather than rotational/circular ones. It is a poor choice when there is a significant physical mismatch between the Makashi practictioner and the Djem-so weilding opponent (Anakin/Dooku), OR where there is a significant skill gap (With the Makashi user being the novice). Makashi is highly advantageous against Shii-Cho, Soresu, and Juyo applications built upon the foundations of these two forms. My main concern isn't the outcome: I do very much thing Malgus would defeat Jerec 1 on 1, but I think based on your analysis of what Malgus' style actually is, a Juyo approach built from a combination of Shii-Cho and Soresu/Shein defense sequences, I think translating that to "It's so similar to Djem So that it is the same thing" is a flawed argument. Makashi is -optimized- to handle that exact kind of a style set up, not disadvantaged to it. What Makashi failed against with Anakin Skywalker was that Anakin brought the complete packadge: One of the absolute top-teir lightsaber power houses, with a raw force edge of note, AND a significant physicality edge on top of that, WITH the successful deception of a style swap to Djem So. A master level (Anakin Skywalker, Luke, Vader, etc) Djem So user -can- bring down a skilled Makashi user. But your analysis specifically provides evidence this IS NOT what Malgus is. His style is built on the exact form foundations that Makashi is designed to dismantle. Not that I believe Jerec brings enough skill/endurance to the table to leverage this enough for a win against a veteran like Malgus. Jerec would be "Just another Sith Lord" and Malgus has chewed through worse things than Jerec in his career.
This also ignores Jerec's Force Destruction ability that Malgus would not have either a counter for or knowledge of its existence. The technique is powerful enough to incapacitate a Jedi Master. Also Jerec's not really 'just another Sith Lord, he was comparable in power to Darth Vader himself, though not as strong. In a physical brawl Malgus could most likely overpower Jerec, but this ignores Jerec's preferred method of incorporating his Force abilities against aggressive opponents to hit them point blank with Force Destruction, then capitalize on the paralysis. I'm not sure Malgus would take this victory.
What you guys said pretty much nails it. And personally I think this is a good argument against him beating Dooku. He is not bringing what Anakin brought to the table on board the invisible hand his style is not the foil to Dooku that I’ve seen many people claim. While I haven’t completed the play through nor is there a guide listing what he is capable of more precisely.Malgus still doesn’t seem to have the power to out right over whelm the count in a wizards duel.he is less precise at this time then I’ve seen him previously and we’ve seen what that means against the count before. It’s not impossible for him to win but I still favor the Count however If Dooku doesn’t bring his a game he is in trouble.
@@TheDixieBassMan I agree
People act like the Forms are rock paper scissors when they're not. The weaknesses of each form are just in general.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I disagree. Jerec is recognized as having a degree of power and skill comparable to Darth Vader, he's certainly very knowledgeable and skilled, and is an extremely impressive Force-wielder to invent his own Force-power and telepathically overpower another Jedi-master class figure.
Jerec's own skills were primarily focused on political scheming, personal power and esoteric capabilities. He never invested near the same efforts into combat skills and traits as Darth Malgus did, or the latter accumulated across 4 decades of fighting both Jedi and Sith Lords.
Force destruction is impressive, not it's not innately a lethal power, as both Yun and Bocaseca did demonstrate the power and it never killed somebody with it. Also, Qu Rahn is not unremarkable as a Jedi, yet I view him more of a mid-class Jedi Master and nowhere near the league as figures like Mace Windu, Exar Kun or Darth Malgus. Force-destruction on paralyzed Rahn, as the Jedi had sufficient depths to minorly resist the power; he wasn't killed outright by it as Exar Kun did to Odan Urr.
Additionally, Darth Malgus lived in an era of active Sith Sorcerers and Jedi Consulars, whom would have pursued and applied powers even more esoteric or lethal than Force Destruction. Malgus also had a brawler's mentality towards fighting: adapt, endure, overcome. Unlike Darth Vader against free-form fighters or other intellectual-focused characters, I doubt that Malgus would be phased by encountering any unique or exotic Force-power unless than have the capacity to be instant-kills, against him.
Otherwise, Jerec's most prominent Force-powers other relatively consistent for High-council-class Jedi or Sith, and wouldn't really impact Darth Malgus too far. Also, Jerec's fighting skills, whether he practices Makashi or not, did involve straight-up confrontations with lightsabers instead of roving-retreats or multi-weapon assaults. Jerec evidently aimed to check superior or comparable martial-artists and would lean on his Force-powers to defeat them. Similar to Darth Baras across the Old Republic comics, or the SWTOR boss-fight.
Yet if either Darth Baras or Jerec encountered a figures whom could moderately resist their powers, or had sufficient martial skill to out-fight and break-through their own skills, they could wind-up in a lot of trouble. Even in Jerec's last duel with Kyle Katarn, after Kyle tossed a lightsaber back to Jerec, the wounded, weakened and exhausted Inquisitor made a running charge at Katarn instead of trying to escape or waiting for Kyle to attack him.
Darth Malgus could contend with Jerec's combative Force-powers, although if they were each leading an army, Jerec could out-strategize Darth Malgus or perhaps intimidate any underlings on Malgus' side to swap over to him. But one-on-one: a) Malgus is a born fighter and has more invested in combat and duelling than Jerec has. b) Jerec prefers to fight head-to-head instead of back-stab or ambush (from accounts and presentations of him against Qu Rahn and Kyle Katarn). c) Malgus is heavy-handed, adaptable and can beat superior fighter to himself while Jerec is a conventional, precise, middle-weight whom only focuses on contending with swordmasters. d) while Makashi and strength-oriented fighters have a particular history, I don't believe that style would be effective against heavily-armoured Jedi or Sith with some of their body's covered by extra protection. Plus, adaptable brawler-type fighters would change-up their rhythm, tempo, and timing; or take lighter cuts and keep fighting unless impaled through the heart or decapitated.
e) And the important point. Djem and Makashi do have certain traits that are beneficial or detrimental to individual practitioners. However, Styles do not make somebody strong; people make a style strong. This is a maxim that is very true in fictional or real-world martial arts, since as many as 100 people can perform the same moves, or copy legendary fighters; but they would lack the authentic depths and efforts which masters have invested into their own skills. Also, if say a Knight-level Djem So fighter duelled with a Master-class Makashi specialist, the latter would contend well but not reliably win. Looking at styles or tools is significant, but comprehending the characters of Malgus or Jerec matters a lot more than simple "rock-paper-scissors."
Malgus actual was ambushed by Aryn Leneer, successfully, and Jace Malcom in his lifetime. But Jerec prefers direct confrontations, and if he's fighting alone, the Inquisitor prefers to apply his Force-powers after a lightsaber bout. Jerec would likely confront Malgus head-on, starting off with his lightsaber and conventional Force-powers or immediately trying to cast Force-Destruction. Malgus himself might be stunned by Force-destruction, or he'd overwhelm Jerec with more than the Inquisitor can handle and keep that pressure growing; leaving Jerec with no room to do more than a rapid, half-power Force-destruction which wouldn't impact Malgus very much.
Or Darth Malgus may be able to martial his rage, since he is very much a pure Force-channelling instead of a specialized and efficient spell-caster, and break free of Force-destruction. Malgus himself prefers martial-combat as well, so he would avoid a "battle of the wizards" which would favour Jerec, and prevent Jerec from having any control over their battle.
Do you disagree?
In layman's words : Jerec is Dooku lite, Qu Rahn is Kit Fisto lite.
Guess Volfe Karkko was essentially Emperor Vitiate lite
Hey man, thanks so much for continuing your videos. I’ve been watching your channel since 2013 and I love it!
34:18 We need more Disney trash roasting in the future lol
Indeed long live the EU and toss the disney trash!
Long live Legends!
As much as i agree with the roasting the Fanalysis crew also need to make mention of Star Wars Legends movement or Twin Suns Foundation stuff. Considering it was both groups that got Marvel Star Wars 108 made and it got Star Wars Legends fans a table at Celebration Orlando and Celebration Chicago. Plus the Star Wars Billboards put up in San Francisco, California.
@@JediAcolyte94 I agree, the Twin Suns Foundation and GiveUsLegends movement deserve more credit and support. Sadly, I live abroad in Europe, where most people at best think TFU is still canon, but the Fanalysis Council have the recognition to make both movements more relevant.
Same for folks like Rico Chico Malico, Rob Terra, Forklifter Matt and SciFi Soup.
I've been watching since versus series season one and it still boggles my mind how you put so much work and research into your videos congrats on 100k my friend
I like to see either.
1. Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt
2. Shaak Ti vs Darth Malak
3. Celeste Morne vs Lumiya
4. Savage Opress vs Irek Ismaren/Lord Nyax
I really want a lord nyax/irek video
I love me Lord Nyax but Ive got someone better in mind than Savage. Kar Vastor.
How about this one, Luke Skywalker(Legends) vs. Vitiate?
@@robgeorge4581 Good idea.
Aayla Secura VS Alema Rar
Xanatos VS Set Harth
Leia Organa Solo VS Depa Billaba
Marasiah Fel VS Darth Maul (either TPM or TCW, including Season 7)
You've done it again my friend you've done it again. another excellent episode of the versus series
A very interesting match-up! I'm glad Jerec is getting the attention he deserves!
A awesome video as always evan thank you!! can't wait for the next one in this series ..to add I would love to see you do a vs video using EU Jedi knight Leia or anakin solo or Ben Skywalker !! Peace and force be with you!
Love it. Jerec, a character I've read about, and seen clips of.
This is gonna be extremely interesting… I love seeing Jeric
Great video, Jerec is definitely an underrated villain, so it's good to see him get some recognition! Although I do have to say that some of these force ability names are so corny! ’Force destruction’ and ’drain knowledge’ both sound like Pokemon moves to me! Idk, when it comes to force abilities relating to psychic attacks I prefer them to be more mysterious and a little more intuitive. Though I do recognise that they probably only have names like this for ease of use in video games like SWTOR and Dark Forces.
"I've been looking forward to this." Also Malgus, Obi wan, and Qui - gon vs. The dark woman, Darth Bane and Darth Zannah, Malgus' side dedicated to the force and Bane's to their respective order.
Few suggestions:
Darth Bane (Orbalisk) vs Darth Bane (DoE)
Obi Wan Kenobi vs Exar Kuun
Darth Zannah vs Darth Plagueis
Darth Traya vs Shaak Tii
1: Orbalisk Bane after a close fight
2: Kun stomps
3: Plageuis
4: Traya after a close fight
Darth Malgus is my favorite Old Republic Sith Lord, and Jerec is one of my favorite underrated characters. I could NOT be happier for this match up. It seems like a lot of people sleep on Inquisitor Jerec, and even though I'm pretty sure Malgus wins this match in a very close scrape, the mere fact you think they're fair competition speaks volumes to Jerec's capabilities.
The idea isn't mine but Obi Wan Kenobi vs Corran Horn would be interesting.
Ohhhhhh This one's interesting. The Negotiator Vs The Corellian Troll. Really worth of a matchup
Dude!! This will be epic! I'm getting popcorn for this when I watch later today.
Enjoyed the video and it is nice to see some Jerec. I was always curious about Jerec, since i didn't play/have JediKnight, and the intro of Jedi Outcast mentioned him.
Curious about the Magnus Marathon and eager to see more of it, as it has explored characters i was curious about(Lumiya and Jerec). Have a good day/night.
First, congrats Evan for launching a Patreon and reaching 100k subs! You deserve it.
I know you love Kyle Katarn and Ive been waiting for a breakdown of Jerec.
As for bets going into this, Malgus. Jerec has some hax like Consume Essence and Force Destruction but Malgus pulls a Anakin vs Dooku on him. But if Jerec goes full Spanish Inquisition on Malgus, he stomps.
Physical: Malgus is a cybernetic Juggernaut, Jerec is a fragile speedster. Like a physically better Dooku. Yeah Malgus man handles Jerec.
14:20 this is a bit weird that your going to force powers now.
18:00 When Sidious compliments your ability for force lightning, you know Malgus is a beast.
20:04 Hot damn. Didn't know Jerec was that powerful. I always thought his force power was comp to Dooku.
22:50 Do you think Jerec can deflect lightning?
24:50 Solid breakdown of Jerec's force powers.
25:10 I question this because Malgus has never shown power in the force comp to Vader. Assuming Jerec's power scales to Vader, he has greater power.
26:48 lol Okay, that joke was kind of cringe, but at least you admitted it wasn't good.
29:48 Wait a min. That source legit credits Malgus with skill in forms 1,3,5, and 7? But he has no credit for Djem So?
34:20 lol sick burn Evan.
35:57 Don't think Katarn is on par with Luminara in terms of skill but I agree with Jerec.
38:25 Oh, deciding factor is martial arts skills. Then Malgus takes it. This is basically Dooku vs Anakin all over again. Except Malgus> Anakin and Jerec
Malgus vs Obiwan Kenobi, Malgus vs Darth Nihl, Malgus vs Mace Windu, Malgus vs Kyle Katarn, Malgus vs Count Dooku
One of those guesses is spot on.
EvanNova95 which one?
@@EvanNova95 My hunch is Kyle or Windu. Windu doesn't super interest me, but Kyle sure does.
Rob George you were right Kyle Katarn vs Darth Malgus
How about Anakin Skywalker Ep 2 vs Xanatos
Okay that sound pretty since that didn't happen yet but what about Anakin. Ep3 vs Darth malgus
@@jasonvcool1770 Anakin would take him, superior duelist and while he is not as experienced in force abilities as Malgus his raw power can overcome him
Based on Anakin's performance in AOTC against Dooku (better than Kenobi's), I'd give the win to him over Xanatos pretty handily.
@@conorgarvey7716 nahhh I disagree I'd give it to malgus
@@TY-km8hjOk no problem, would you like to explain your reasoning?
That slight at the DT in the video at 34:18 made me chuckle, Evan.
Been a while since I have seen Jerec, always a favorite of mine.
I thought Jerec would win by using force Destruction bypassing Malgus defences. Leave Malgus exhausted or losing some machine parts then dying out right
That to me, does seem the most likely actual outcome, since Malgus would have no knowledge of Force Destruction's existence, no way to counter it and no reason to expect it was coming. The ability was enough to completely paralyze a Jedi Master that was capable of fighting six Dark Jedi at once and it was designed by Jerec as something to one day use against Vader or the Emperor.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I could easily see Malgus blitzing Jerec before he gets a chance to use it. While a decent swordsman he's too frail to deal with a tenacious bulldozer like Malgus for an extended period of time, not to mention Malgus' own power in the Force is comparable.
@@wristofkings The problem with that is we've seen that Jerec can fire the ability at will, with little to no start up or prep time required. So Malgus would have to first close the distance, without Jerec using the ability, overpower Jerec's lightsaber skills pretty much instantly and cut him down in that first strike to prevent Jerec using it. If anything Malgus approach to combat likely makes him more susceptible to being hit with Force Destruction rather than less since his preferred method when dealing with a Force energy attack appears to be attempting to power through it, since he doesn't know Force Destruction exists, nor what it does, he doesn't have a counter for it. We also know that it can incapacitate someone of Master Level as it did to Rahn, who was powerful enough to take on all six of Jerec's band at once and even concerned Jerec when they meet in the novel they duel in.
Also, Malgus doesn't appear to be comparable to Jerec as a Force user since we do know for a fact that Vader is far stronger than Malgus and Jerec is directly stated to be 'comparable to Darth Vader' in power, though 'not quite as strong as Darth Vader' which does put Jerec as more powerful in the Force than Malgus, based on who they can be compared to in terms of power.
Further Malgus is in an era when the Sith were legion, his power in relation to later generations when there were far fewer Dark Side users to concentrate the Force into is also something that has to be taken account of, as Darth Bane points out. Malgus was not able to immediately incapacitate a non force user human male, who was pushing through his Force lightning and had to expel additional effort to throw back said single non force user, that's actually evidence against Malgus being especially powerful compared to later generation Force users.
Malgus likewise doesn't demonstrate much aptitude or care for powers not directly fueled by rage and blood lust, which makes him a prime conduit for Jerec's ability to feed off these emotions while simultaneously using his own ability to suppress Malgus's own connection to the Force somewhat.
I don't think Malgus can incapacitate Jerec before Jerec can fire Force Destruction as to do so would require a multitude of things to go right for Malgus while simultaneously going wrong for Jerec and Jerec not even attempting to use Force Destruction at any point, because all Jerec has to do is connect with Force Destruction and that's game set match.
In conclusion, Malgus is a very potent physical and lightsaber combatant and in a purely physical encounter, Malgus would very likely defeat Jerec, however, in terms of the Force, Jerec is more powerful than Malgus, has demonstrated more advanced techniques(In his use of pure Dark Side sphere to dissolve Spore's tendrils on Ithor with no apparent effort), Force Drain which actively feeds on an opponents negative emotions and lends their strength to Jerec, which would be greatly amplified against a Dark Side opponent like Malgus, Force Destruction which has been directly shown to be capable of completely paralyzing a Jedi Master that had his guard up for Jerec to kill him(this was Qu Rahn) that Jerec invented Force Destruction and kept it unique to his immediate followers also means that Malgus would have neither the knowledge of the ability's existence, or any method to counter it at all. That Jerec can fire this technique at will, with again, seemingly little to no effort or prep time at full force means that he can use such a technique in a pitched lightsaber battle at close range(as he did against Rahn) or at a comfortable medium range(as he did against Katarn on Ruusan when he destroyed the entire dock holding the Sulon Star) These abilities change the dynamic greatly, Malgus is almost certainly the superior duelist, but his performance in the realm of Force power has been shown to end with him under a mountain as rather than dodge a Force attack, he appears to attempt to power through it, which would guarantee an immediate end to the battle with Force Destruction since it would immediately incapacitate him(the technique WAS designed by Jerec for eventual use against Vader and the Emperor) leaving him completely defenseless for Jerec to dispatch with his lightsaber as he did to Qu Rahn aboard the Vengeance.
The conclusion seems logical on the outcome of such a confrontation if all the evidence is analyzed. Malgus doesn't have knowledge of a decisive ability of Jerec's, nor the ability to counter it in any way. Jerec, could and would employ this ability and based on Malgus method of fighting a hit would be guaranteed due to Malgus preference for closing in for aggressive melee and a hit means the end of Malgus, since he can't defend against it, doesn't know it exists or what it does and we know that it can completely paralyze or outright kill high tier Force Users instantly, which means all of Malgus physical strength and skill with the lightsaber effectively cease to exist as factors.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Damn, that's a well argued reply. Lemme see if I can address this...
First off, while I admit Malgus' performance against Jace Malcom wasn't exactly sterling I'd say it represents a really strong showing for Malcom rather than a poor one for (very pre-prime) Malgus. Dude not only survived Malgus' wrath but tanked a thermal detonator at point blank range, that's pretty impressive. This same Malgus was also kicking Satele's ass pretty decisively beforehand until Jace bought her some breathing room.
Either way, it matters not if we're taking Malgus at his prime. By the time of Deceived he was easily capable of fatal Force lightning and more, and who knows how much stronger he got during his False Emperor and Emperor's Wrath stage. He could achieve a zen-like stage of rage (arguably the Sith equivalent of "One-ness"), could wield some advanced abilities like Force Maelstrom, etc.
While he may not have achieved the level of knowledge and focused power that Jerec could with Force Destruction, he is an expert at chaining his Force abilities with physical attacks on a dime and could easily use them to unbalance less dynamic fighters like Jerec, whose response to any threat on his level was to deflect and counter with his Force powers, leaving a short but noticeable opening that someone as experienced as Malgus could read and exploit.
If Jerec does manage to hit Malgus with Force Destruction (which is a pretty likely possibility), I'm not even sure it would bring a cybernetic tank like him down. Pay mind this was the same Sith Lord that had been telekinetically blasted through the side of a cliff and crushed under tons of rock and not only survived, but engaged and slew two Jedi shortly after. If anyone can power through the effects of Force Destruction it would be someone like Malgus, whose sheer rage and determination along with durability is utterly insane.
Granted, this is big speculation on my part, as Jerec never got to test that ability against Vader (whose power in the Force is greater than Malgus', though not overwhelming so). And you do have a good point about Consume Essence amping Jerec's own power in this situation. But overall I'd put Jerec's odds at victory at around 3/10. He's not going to be stomped and he does have a dangerous trump card he can pull but good luck trying against someone as relentless as Malgus, who is in every other way a more viable and experienced combatant than Jerec.
wristofkings Jerec can Rapid fire the force destruction on a whim
Damn i haven not seen a video of you for quite some time now but i'm extremely happy to see this channel is still going. The video was great!
A little late to the party here but always glad to see another vid from you. Glad to see someone use Jerec again as he is vastly underrated and undervalued. That being said i agree with some of the other folks in this comment section in that the outcome doesn't take in to account Jerec's special abilities, though i do agree with the ultimate conclusion. Hope you consider doing these matchups in the future: Dass Jennir vs. Kento Marek
Jerec vs. Darth Wyyrlok III
Jerec vs. Darth Malak
Kyp Durron vs. Galen Marek
Rahm Kota vs. Even Piell
Yaddle or Yareal Poof vs. Corran Horn
Jaina Solo-Fel vs. Shaak Ti
Saba Sebatyne vs. Oppo Rancisis
Quinlan Vos vs. Mara Jade Skywalker
I'm still wondering when will anyone of you Council folks ever consider using Leia in a matchup.
Its funny you mentioned that because just the other day I found myself absentmindedly thinking about a hypothetical Leia breakdown. It would still be a while, but I'm not opposed to using her.
@@EvanNova95 Nice ! Someone should do her character justice for the treatment she got from Disney.
@@EvanNova95 please do
@@EvanNova95 I presume you talking about post ROTJ Jedi Trained Leia. They maybe a Good Match Up would be Her Vs Padawan Kenobi or Tenub Kel?
You should redo Satele Shan vs. Darth Maul due to the power the latter displays in the final season of TCW. I do still think Satele would win, though. Great work as always, Evan! Keep it up!
Let’s go! So excited haven’t watched yet but Malgus has got this! Stay safe and may the force be with you.
Ps. Use Darth Caedus. Show fans who the *real* solo son is 😂
Darth Caedus is coming later this season. :)
@@EvanNova95 Caedus vs Windu?
EvanNova95
I love you. If you underrate his dueling skills....😂
Great video
Rob George yes
I’d like to see Jerec vs Cadeus or Cadeus vs Nihl
Yeah glad to see Malgus takes this
I’d like to see
-Nomi Sunrider vs Mara Jade Skywalker
-Yoda vs Emperor Vitiate
-Satele Shan vs Exar Kun
-Empatojayos Brand vs Darth Malak
-Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker
-Lumiya vs Naga Sadow
-Cade Skywalker vs Darth Caedus
Hm... I'd favor Mara. Force Sever is a pretty broken power on Sunrider's side, but she is a fairly average lightsaber duelist and doesn't have the sheer variety of tactical trickery and weaponry that's Mara's bread and butter, nor is she as fast or skilled in physical combat.
Split decision. Yoda is obviously the better lightsaber duelist by some distance but this is more likely decided by the Force and if that's the case I see Vitiate overwhelming Yoda's tutaminis defenses in the same way that Sidious did. It's a contest that favors Yoda in the early fight but if it drags out the Emperor wins.
Kun has what it takes to best Shan as a lightsaber duelist for sure, but the Force battle is tricky. I'm not sure if Satele's tutaminis can tank an amulet blast, but we've seen her catch/absorb lightsaber energy with it so it's not outside the realm of possibility. Still favoring Kun for the most part.
Brand's an intriguing choice, there hasn't really been enough analysis of him for a comparison but he's obviously pretty powerful considering his performance in Dark Empire (my least favorite Legends/EU period). No vote on this one yet.
I'd say the Jedi take it as Legends Anakin has a known resistance to Force drain and can speedblitz Nihilus, while Kenobi has the endurance and skill to deal with Sion long enough to start lopping off all his limbs and incapacitate him Black Knight-style. Both Jedi are better swordsmen than their opponents so I don't expect much of a different outcome if the scenario were reversed.
Another really intriguing idea. Lumiya would take it in a head-to-head duel because her lightwhip is OP as fuck as an offensive tool compared to Sadow's primitive Force-embued sword, but Naga is a powerful sorcerer and would likely best her if this turned into a wizards' duel for whatever reason. The latter doesn't seem very likely though as Lumiya is a more passive/utility Force user who would rather let the whip do the fighting.
Caedus would overwhelm Cade as he is more powerful as a Force user and a more well-rounded lightsaber duelist who could keep up with Grandmaster Luke in his prime (i.e. a fucking demigod). Cade's got some fairly hax abilities in his arsenal and can definitely contend but I don't see that overcoming Caedus' depth of knowledge and skill.
Mara
Yoda
Kun
Malak
Kenobi and Anakin
Lumiya
Caedus
So my next prediction for the next match is Malgus vs a Sith Warrior;
Malgus vs Lord Scourge ; Malgus vs Marr; Magus vs Darth Bane ; or Malgus vs Revan; Malgus vs Kas’im
Ah, Force Destruction. Anyone who played Dark Forces 2 knows the utter amount of power they feel when unleashing it; it's like the BFG of Star Wars. Oh, I loved blasting the crap out of everyone during that game!
My favorite combo to use was firing off a Force Destruction blast and Concussion Rifle primary shot. I'd also use the Force Destruction blast straight down at my feet as an AOE knock back attack when surrounded by multiple opponents in multiplayer.
Anyone else chuckle every time he said "Akeenia"?
Good to see another video from ya'll. I'm not overly intrigued in either Malgus or Jerec as characters but I did enjoy the comparison of their skill sets.
I have to ask, does anyone on Fanalysis plan to use Cal Kestis in the future? Jedi: Fallen Order is a fairly good game and, unlike most of Disney SW media, Cal's powers and skill set makes sense for the most part. (It's also the first time the Inquisitors actually feel like a credible threat.)
Unlikely, since none of them is interested in Disney trash. Granted, I agree JFO is good and is fairly respectful of the lore, but Cal is pretty unremarkable. He's a poorman Exar Kun with a lot of fallback options, but he's not powerful or skilled enough to really go against that many opponents. At best, he can cope and subvert them enough to escape, not much else.
@@yrooxrksvi7142This I agree with.
@@Grieftheunspoken2002 That might change with Jedi Survivor
i don't know like i think Jerec is just a good enough duelist to be able to, obviously not beat, but to last long enough to work in his force destruction and leverage his force advantage
This is my conclusion as he only has to connect once with Force Destruction to incapacitate Malgus, at which point that's effectively game.
I can't believe this wasn't notified to me sooner, been looking forward to something like this from you since the last video!
You didn't even mentioned Jerec's force abilities in the summary. That's like not mentioning Darth Zannah's spells in her's! You even say that Force Destruction would most likely paralyze Malgus if not out right kill him. Do you just think Malgus's lightsaber offense wouldn't allow Jerec to use his force abilities?
This is a reasonable point. Since Jerec's Force destruction is specifically tailored to deal with powerful Force wielders since only he and his immediate followers know the techinique it doesn't have a counter or any way Malgus would know about it, plus it only has to paralyze him for a few seconds and that's pretty much a win for Jerec. It can bring a Jedi Master to his knees and Jerec can fire it off point blank with little to no difficulty. This also doesn't factor in Jerec's ability to dampen other's connection to the Force.
Or his ability to drawn on Malgus's Dark Rage with Consume Essence.
@@eatingpancakesrightnow2786 there's also the use of pure Darkside energy to disintegrate organic life around him like Jerec used against Spore. That technique is almost identical to the one Bane used on Andeddu's cult on Prakith and has similarities to Zannah's tentacles ability.
Most of Jerec's abilities and power in the Force give him decisive advantage over Malgus., But they are left out of this analysis.
Grand Moff The only issues with those powers is how situational or straining they are. Like Bane was using the Dark Side Force of the planet and emotions of the tribes people.
@@cammykins5813 yes, Bane was. Jerec though seems to have performed it against Spore without the need to draw from other sources. He was on Ithor when he performed his feat against Spore's tendrils and Jerec apparently did so without strain.
Kit Fisto vs Galen Marek. Antares Draco vs Shado Vao. Quigon Jinn vs Wolf Sazen. Lucien Draay vs Lord Vindican. Darth Venamis vs Darth Maul ( TPM) . Quinlan Vos ( legends) Vs Jaden Korr. Rham Kota vs Darth Azard. Ki Audi Mundi vs Agen Kolar.
Great to see you making new material. Keep it coming!
Please do vaylin vs jaina solo
Happy 25th Evan! Hope it goes well for you! This was a good match by the way. Some very good points indeed!
As much as I simp for Jerec- I play a descendant of his in a Star Wars tabletop game at the time of writing this comment- I can't argue with the outcome of this video.
Jerec was a field scholar during his time with the Jedi Order. When he was found by the Inquisitorious during the reign of the Empire, he was only allowed to live because his gifts as aMiraluka, combined with his scholarly background meant that he could find the rumored Valley of the Jedi. He chose to join them, and over the years as an Inquisitor, most of his energy was dedicated to seeking the Valley of the Jedi, during a time when Jedi did next to nothing, and Sith were believed extinct, save for Palpatine and Vader. Most Inquisitors were too weak for the Jedi to have bothered with, and were often decades behind in their training. Jerec being a glorified librarian was still vastly superior to most Inquisitors, and that says so very little when the Jedi were so rare.
Malgus was a living Terminator with Force powers, born in a peak period of history where Jedi / Sith combat was the norm, and in order to survive, one had to be the best at destroying their opponents. Malgus is a juggernaut.
Jerec was a C+ grade of Jedi-turned-Inquisitor, in a field of D- peers, and eventually crossed paths with an A- who would mature into an S+.
Malgus had to be an A+ on his worst days, when anyone less than a B was as good as dead.
I'd say even considering this versus is an insult to Malgus. Jerec looks like a baby doll near Malgus. Obi wan vs Malgus, tho, sounds awesome.
Two of my favs.
Thanks
Great video dude. Would you consider doing a video with Mara Jade Skywalker Vs Darth Maul?
Which version of Maul are we talking about ? TPM, TCW Season 5-6, Season 7 or Rebels ?
You've got to do a versus video with Darth Marr
Another one bites the dust. Malgus by blitzkrieg. Great video btw.
How powerful was the Hero Tython compared to Grand Master Luke Skywalker and Palpatine?
Thor's Hammer more powerful 🔥
I would say a tier or two below them.
Hero of Tython is nothing compered to Luke and Sidious
@Emperor Vowrawn No, he used an extremely preparation-heavy ritual that required multiple other Sith, and millions of civilian sacrifices. He can't do that himself. Palpatine's native, natural powers would school Vitiate, Luke would annihilate Vitiate in lightsaber and Force combat, and Abeloth would easily drive him insane from across the galaxy.
Agreed. Vitiate, though a completely contrived and ridiculous character, is more of a ritual master than a one-on-one combative force wielder (though he is still powerful in this regard) lightsabers are a moot point cause Vitiate doesn’t really put any emphasis into swordplay, but in spite of being a great duelist himself, Sidious prefers to engage with his overwhelming force powers instead.
Seriously though, Vitiate long overstayed his welcome...and that was before they brought him back for a fourth time in Echoes of Oblivion
I’m gonna have to disagree with you, Evan. I do believe that all of your individual rulings are accurate, I believe the outcome would be rather different. Malgus would be the aggressor, hammering Jerik with lightsaber attacks. Jerik would quickly become overwhelmed by the duel, and would then use his force abilities to off balance Malgus. Once a force duel began between the two, Jerik would have more head space to analyze Malgus and resolve to use dun moch and telepathic manipulation to amplify and the feed on Malgus’s rage. Once this was done, Jerik would employ force destruction and defeat Malgus. It should be noted that force destruction world probably not kill Malgus outright, but it would leave him wide open.
do Darth Vader and The Inquisitors VS Jerec and his 7 Dark Jedi
I'm quite interested in TCW grievous as a combatant despite knowing he can't hold a candle to the one in CW 2003. Most if not all versus series involving grievous use the legends version of him, and while I totally understand why, I would still like to see TCW grievous be used in a versus series, to understand what his general competancy in a fight if nothing else. is he in the same league as jedi council masters like Shaak Ti and Plo Koon? Or is he knight or Padawan level like um... It seems an insult to Aayla secura to call her knight or Padawan level but I can't think of anything off the top of my head at the moment.
I think some folks like jenssari point out that TCW feat are not only less than legends, but also notably inconsistent. Where he seems to have the same amount of competency fighting a padawan as he does a council master jedi. I’m not sure if its so inconsistent as to not be able to use in a vs series. But i’m honestly happy to see any grievious at all in these matches and considering a lot of legends characters are used using that version of him makes the most sense
Tcw would still kicked the asses of the inquisitors in Rebels
Now THIS has my Attention
@ 19:17 - Wai a minute. I thought Siths HATED purple lightsaber blades, as it was a mix of Sith red & Jedi guardian blue...
morning evan! great video! the intro gives me chills each time!
How about Lord Scourge vs Darth Malgus, the Battle of the turncoat wraths
I think Battle of the Sith Juggernauts is a better title, but that is an interesting matchup
Emperor's Wrath Scourge vs Malgus is a badass fight and I'm not sure why no one's done it yet.
I think Malgus wins this one
Interesting video. Analytic, but still dramatic in its analysis. Entertaining. Subscribed.
Well done as always, Master Nova.
I'm glad Jerec got some love. I love the characters from this era. Now fingers crossed on Desaan. Haha. Can't wait to see who Malgus is stomping next.
If anyone from that era needs to be in a Versus series matchup from the Fanalysis crew it should be Brakiss or Kueller.
@@JediAcolyte94 Brakiss vs Naga Sadow would be pretty hype.
@@wristofkings Im pretty sure I pitched that matchup a long time ago.
All I know is that a star is getting a supernova.
The only people who can beat Malgus are unfairly powerful Force users (like Palpatine and Vitiate), or lightsaber masters with am impossibly solid defence. Jerec ain't either, so of course he'd get bodied.
well malak should also win
38:16 What a lightsaber master. Building up a baseball bat swing that anyone could have seen coming. Maybe he has the same mastery as Rey. Looks like a noob but for some reason is a master. ;-)
Well, in Jerec’s defense, he isn’t a dedicated lightsaber duelist. He’s a lifelong academic and combative Force wielder. As for Rey, I agree. Her technique is akin to the Strong style or amateur Shii-Cho: heavy sweeping power blows with somewhat limited defensive capabilities
@@darylsdesigns6679 They could have made Rey so much better (in terms of fighting) if we saw her sucking with a standard lightsaber and the refitting it to a lightsaber pike instead. We already saw in ep 7 that her melee weapon was a staff so they could have easily made her be the first pike wielder in the movie and that would have been epic. They had a great chance there and blew it.
Also, Jerec's master was not really known as a great melee fighter either so I can really see why he would not put much effort there. It would also get in the way of his research ;--).
@@darylsdesigns6679 there's also the game mechanics limit of the time. If DFII was made today, Jerec would probably be just as acrobatic and flashy as Malgus.
Again, this is largely due to the game limitations of his debut. DFII was released in 1997, Malgus appeared in 2009. You can't really compare gameplay and cutscenes from two vastly different eras and expect accurate results. It's like comparing the first motion pictures to the Lord of the Rings and wondering why the first film characters couldn't singlehandedly fight hundreds of enemies proficiently.
@@antonakesson dude, rey was a mary sue regardless of her fighting style. She was knight level in TFA to master level in TLJ to grand master level in ROS. She was the result of feminist propaganda and bad writing. There was no saving her. Her having an elegant or refined lightsaber form would have only pissed fans further off, because she only received a weeks worth of training and already a better force wielder than even yoda and palpatine and better duelist than ROTS anakin or mace windu
Don't defend trash when it's explicitly stated. Even I prefer disney canon, except the sequels, and I see the trash of garbage writing that is the entire sequel trilogy.
I have a question for you, Evan, what is a matchup that Malgus could win that Vader could not? I consider Malgus to be very underrated and while i think he is inferior to Vader, he gets mistakenly classified as "diet Vader" by so many people, i'm interested in seeing what you think because i think there might be someone that fits Malgus' capabilities but not Vader's.
Great as always.
How large was Revan's Sith Empire's navy during the Jedi Civil war?
I think any answer would be purely speculative since it's not like the developers ever went into such specifics or determined/showed how much of space they controlled. However I'd personally argue it was either on par with or possibly even surpassing that of the republic. The republic were struggling against the sith and had revan not been betrayed and joined the light, defeating malek, they would have defeated the republic after a while. The star forge over the course of the war was churning out more and more ships increasingly and developing new weapons and such at an unprecedented rate. I believe they most likely controlled a large portion of the outer rim and the edge of the unknown regions closest to the known galaxy and where slowly pushing into the mid/inner rim. It would simply be a matter of time until coruscant and the republic fall and with the star forge on their side I don't see it taking all that long.
I’d like to see
1. Darth Malak vs Darth Krayt
2. Darth Vader Vs Darth Malgus (not sure if that’s been done)
3. Ashoka Tano vs Darth Talon
4. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Andeddu
Not sure how many of them have been done but 🤷🏼♂️
Jensaarai1 did Vader vs Malgus years ago. By Krayt, I guess you mean the Vong Coral armor Krayt, not Reborn as he's too OP. Can Andeddu even be used in a matchup though ?
1: Krayt stomps
2: Vader after a close fight
3: TCW Ahsoka loses, Rebels Ahsoka wins
4: Luke stomps
Liked before I even started watching ;) This one should be good! I'll let you know what I think after!
I’d like to see Jerec vs Dooku
Lightsaber combat: Dooku wins. His mastery of Form II is more refined than Jerec’s and has a laundry list of dueling feats
Force powers: I imagine it’s a draw. Both can use Force lightning and Dooku would be able to defend himself against Jerec’s Force destruction ability and is a more versatile telekinetic. Whether or not Dooku has an answer to Jerec’s Force suppression is a bit up
in the air
That bit about the rancor pit and meat suit. Two problems with you saying it: 1- it was a simile, not a pun. 2: it wasn't cringe, it was amazing.
1 view. 5 likes, 6 comments. Seems legit.
I have a suggestion. Legends Ventress ( i know she is bland but she had good stats) vs Dark Lady Lumiya. Or legends ventress vs legends shaak ti because to me either of these matches would be a brawl
A professional fighter a combat artist could be defeated by a cantina brawler who knew nothing about form but everything about ending a conflict quickly without a thought to winning gracefully or elegantly. describes Darth Malgus, and Darth Bane.
Where have you been?!
Glad to see you upload again :)
What’s the likelihood of a versus video between Cal Kestis and season 2 Kanan Jarrus
Rico Chico Malico already did this matchup. Cal won due to his unique weaponry, versatile telekinetic powers and consistent dueling feats against other Inquisitors in comparison to Jarrus
Hey Evan! This is a well done video and I have to agree that Malgus would win against Jerec in a battle to the death. Oh, have you seen the Obi-Wan vs Kakashi Death Battle? And if you have, do you agree with the research or do you think the Death Battle guys forgot to include information?
Soo haven’t watched the video yet but I bet Malgus is the winner
34:18 I noted your disdain for this. And, dont' even get me started on how crappy the disney star wars was regarding story telling and SW logic behind their characters.
It gets even worse when you look at supplemental material trying to damage control the trash made by these movies
Ya In the TLJ novel they try to explain Rey’s force powers by her “downloading” Kylo’s power list when they touch hands i mean what 🤣 lol so ridiculous canons trash legends all the way.
Hey Evan I love listening to your videos! I was wondering if you could come up with a group of five Jedi that could take on a group I call the Butchers! Darth Malgus, Darth Bane, Darth Vader, Savage Opress, and General Grievous!
@EvanNova95
I really really love how this fight turned out,it was awesome.
Here's an idea for a future fight.
I know u did darth caedus vs darth vader a long time ago. But what about his other grandchild Jaina? Maybe the sword of the jedi could stand a better chance maybe?
Some good ideas
Starkiller vs arcann
Darth caedus vs revan
Jakob Kašič
Revan would get stomped by Darth Caedus.
This might be overkill and interesting.
Exar kun. Dark lord of the sith by freedon Nadd and terrorized the massassi temple on yavin 4.
The fallen jedi inquisitorious Jerec in dark days of the galactic empire.
Darth Caedus.
The son of Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo turn to the dark side by Lumiya and murdered Mara Jade skywalker.
Oh God I think jerec might straight up run from this lunatic if he couldn't beat him with his force destruction.
0:33 The Sith Academy is on Korriban, not Dromund Kaas. That picture you showed is the Citadel.
I’d love to see Zannah vs Shin Hati
Could you do a video with imperial knight draco
Awesome stuff! Malgus vs. Krayt next?
Not sure if it would possible really but please do jacen vs kylo or rey vs jaina.
I’d prefer not. Rey is too OP for versus series...maybe Kylo vs. Jiana could work.
There is nothing to go on with Ray and Kylo.
@@goroakechi6126 LOL No
@@darylsdesigns6679 Ewwww Please stop
@@goroakechi6126 It's not that. Rey is a mary sue and an inconsistent character. Her lightsaber skills are nonexistent and her force abilities are absolute bullshit, which is also why I said they're inconsistent. Also, use your fucking brain. Jaina would stomp kylo into oblivion
General Grevious vs Darth Malgus? The two Jedi Killers going up against each other seems cool.
At 16:58-17:04 I've said it before and I'll say it again, that was NOT a "mountain-shattering Force wave." A) That was a hill, not a mountain and B) it is clearly still standing just before the screen goes black.
Haven't seen the video but my chips are on Malgus!
Damn, this is way too late to suggest this, since its already months after april, but may I suggest you do this for next april fools or as a joke: Rey vs Mara Jade.
personal requests
Vader vs Arcann
Jaden Korr vs Cal Kestis
Kyle Katarn vs Galen Marek
Sion vs Scourge
Kreia vs Sidious
Quinlann Vos vs Maul
and a power ranking of Sith Emperors/reigning dark lords
Vader after a very intense fight.
Korr in a mismatch. He is slightly under Ventress/Marek level.
Katarn in a slugging match.
Scourge is an overall more skilled combatant and can take Sion out of the fight.
Sidious stomps Kreia in a duel, not even close.
Without an amp from battle meditation, Vos contends but ultimately loses.
Following a slight problem: show the literal embodiment of HUNGER
Only problem is that Katarr was specifically mentioned as a Colony. Not their homeworld. So, that wasn't Nihilus' work.
Hey @EvanNova95 , regarding the Rule of Two Sith Lords, do you necessarily think that each Sith that came after was more powerful than the ones preceding them? i.e. Sidious being more powerful than Plagueis, Cognus more powerful than Zannah, Zannah being more powerful than Bane, etc