It's hard cuz fighterz, in a way, makes you a worse player when it comes to neutral and how you open up your oponent. Unga bunga safe assisted dragon rush or vanish
I absolutely agree. FighterZ, I've noticed, has a lot less going on than it seems, and a lot of the skills in FighterZ just aren't applicable in other games.
@@zekekillah it does feel a lot like marvel I’m glad that 3v3 craziness survived marvel 3 I love it I think it looks great but imagine if it was a moving comic the way fighterz brings the anime to life omg
@@eddi8634 what i hate is how u can just unga bunga and its hard to combat it alot of times ik im not gud but its fustrating to lose all my health cause someone mashed square hard enough and super dash.
When it comes to playing FighterZ, it teaches you bad habits when it comes to fighting games in general. Plus the game is privileged with a lot of its movement.
I went back to skullgirls and Blazeblue after playing fighterz and I was not ready for how different it felt. Like I should stop playing fighterz just because I feel like it encourages too much rng and a makes u comfortable with the lack of crazy af mix
I play DragonBall fighters, SFV, Gran blue, power rangers, sf collection, mk11, blazeblue, and a few others lol. This man's title of the video is my thought process exactly. It takes a few minutes for your mind to adjust from one game to another. But I love that challenge. As other people commented, other fighting games have made me a better fighting game player in general.
I think it comes down to the presence of universal mechanics. Its not that superdash exists, its that superdash is usable by everyone. Its not that DR exists, its that the DR mixup is something everyone can use and always leads into a combo. Everyone has 10k health, everyone has access to some kind of projectile or medium/long range attack with S, everyone has an autocombo of some kind... etc. I actually think that the games adherence to Universal combos and the Saiyan Combo (2M>5M>jcMLL2H>SD>j.MLL2H>j.LLL) is a huge help to keeping things relatively even. Everyone has access to some kind of BnB combo that takes off at least 40% of your health and starts from 2M, which I believe keeps people in the game more than the autocombo does. Sure there's higher level tech like loops, but I believe its the ease of DBFZ's universal bnb logic that makes it so easy to play. A lot of other fighters have much more complicated rules for combos, and bnb's are often unique to the person you're playing as, so DBFZ managing to keep it simple and allow for a combo that most of the cast is able to use gives you a huge leg up for learning the game. I think something like this should be in every fighting game. Its a large help for learning how to play.
It's a large help for learning how to play to an extent. The universal mechanic of FighterZ are so strong that, you mainly only learn how to play DBFZ rather than learn how to play a fighting game. I still find this game super fun, but as an entry point to fighting games its gonna be a little bit hard for most newcomers/beginners to transition into other games.
It could make you either a better or worst player depending on your state of mind. Fighterz for me taught me about fg terminology such as frame data, okizeme, and stagger pressure.
Yeah im not a very strong fighting player. I played them a lot as a kid in the bowling alley arcade and with friends but took a long break. FighterZ is the first fighting game i've taken seriously enough to research how to play instead of just learning as you go, (which when mostly playing with friends with a similar mentality doesn't get you very far) So fighterz really helped me understand oki, staggers and the importance of getting your opponent to respect certain moves to allow you to open them up with other ones.
And this knowledge helps, but it's supposed to apply in fighting games, and I feel like it's unreliable here because DBFZ is just so random now. Its like playing an instrument that could just blurt random notes at any time you don't expect. Superdash and vanish are major problems. I'm a huge SF and especially KoF fan, I don't feel that this game is fair at all anymore, after season 2 GT Goku the meta just became nuts. When I go and play games like samurai shodown 2019, SFV, and KoF 13, I just have way more fun, personally. Sucks because I'm a huge DB fan. They need a meter for dashing, better tracking, and balanced characters. I hope the sequel changes some of these things, but it could go either way.
Idk man this vid feels a bit more clickbaity than your other content. I wouldve probably watched match footage if the thumbnail and title more clearly designated it as such, instead of it seeming like a JMCrofts discussion about mechanics for the first minute. The discussion begins and ends with "superdash changes dbfz" as well, which has caused a lot of the top comments to be shit-talking the game in the most bland and overdone ways possible. You got me to click, at least, which is a skill in and of itself, but only at the cost of me feeling swindled. Keep up the good work regardless, and apologies if this is too mean or uninformed.
@@thezard7013 chances are that you play a character with a special move that beats superdash so you can easily beat that jumping the beam and doing the special in the air, even if you don't have that special you can throw a normal to stop the superdash, the timing isn't that crazy
@@inkredibill6352 mostly Capcom fighters, I dont really like snk stuff although I do like samurai showdown. Last 5 years or so I started 2 like arc sys
I think this game makes you better at fighting game for the following reason and if you don't just stupidly smash buttons: - it's extremely fast so you have to react fast - enemies attacks can come from absolutely anywhere at pretty much any moment (including behind up and down), while in most other fighting games it's almost always up or down in front of you - you have to use assists, so you have to add this info to your brain, and it takes a while to do that - you have to plan your game not only based on bars and life, but also on your assists availability, changing characters for having one rest, your Spark... so many things to think at the same time, and don't forget that the game is so fast you have to do all that at the speed of light - combos are long, pressure is long, so you have to defend long time, and so you have to be amazing at defense This game is insane. It's like taking care of your kids while you are at work, while you are putting on your clothes, while you are typing an email.
Trying to switch between Melee and Ultimate feels similar... If you play one seriously, then you're fundamental movement in the other is going to suffer. They just feel way too different.
I play a lot of Ultimate and hopping to Brawl with Wario, then slipping and falling as soon as the match began. I knew it was going to be a tough time switching. It didn't help that the game is ridiculously floaty feeling.
Learning DBFZ coming from SFV... there's alot of things that just doesn't make much sense but also the game itself encourages mashing more than blocking. If you can manage the assist timing you can just pressure and mash all game it feels like.
I hope we get a MVC4 with the new Capcom properties. For instance, old dante and old Virgil! And the new Leon and Jill designs from the resident evil Remakes.
Hey JM, I've been wondering this for a long time now..what buttons do u use for your arcade stick? I love the clicky sound they make but I can't seem to put my finger on what brand they are. I hope you'll see this comment and help a brother out! Keep doing what you're doing man, one of my favourite content creators on yt! Kind regards.
For me, its vanish. Cant count how many times I've thrown a hadoken and tried to vanish. Or been under pressure and tried to vanish.... or thrown out an unsafe normal and...tried to vanish...
Honestly i feel like Vanish is a more unique mechanic to this game than superdash. Because the Arcana Heart series also has a universal homing dash mechanic. As far as i can tell, no other fighting game that isnt dragonball related has a teleport as a system mechanic like this.
I’d play I’d say most fighting games that are out, and it’s pretty easy for me Specifically to switch between fighting games but then it’s the challenge of remembering the combos for certain characters in each fighting game. Going from FighterZ to Tekken 7, to mk11, to Brawlhalla is weird but so fun
I'm glad Fighterz is different enough from other fighting games to have it's own feel, games shouldn't all be the same recycled material and game play. I think playing FighterZ made me rethink how I was playing other fighting games, including GG Strive, and MvC 3.
Because DBZF is fun and easy to play. Most other 2D fighters require a lot more input demand with minimal reward until you get really good. DBFZ is ASW succeeding in mainstream appeal they've tried over the years. They do this in every game with characters(Jack-O, Kagura, Azrael) or GranblueFantasy Vs as the entire game, but they always fail to a larger extent because the majority of the cast is either really hard to play well (GG/BB/UN) or they are just fanservice to a series that in the west nobody cares about (Granblue). DBFZ Is also incredibly intuitive to the level that you rarely, if ever, have to learn some crazy character specific mechanic or long combo strings with 50+ inputs.
Coming from MK and tekken, my jaw dropped when I first realized how easy it was to do things in this game. But its 100% understandable why they did that. How else are you gonna get MILLIONS of anime fans into fighting games? Lol
@@PR1ME98 by making an overly flashy game, with very similar character gameplay structure so that playing1 charactersfeels like playing all the characters, and a very simplified gameplay. People dont wanna think, they want the cool stuff. (Not that it is a bad thing). That's just how mainstream works.
I’m a 1v1 at heart. Team based (the especially of the Anime genre) just doesn’t have the same kind of appeal to me and has been since the first team fighters entered the market.
4:30 Alright Krillin, I know it seems completely hopeless but you've still got a way out of this one. You've got to seduce the murderous android, it's worked in the past!
This game was practically the only traditional fighting game I played since it came out, the first fighting game I put serious time into, and only recently have I started trying other games. I picked up Power Rangers and Skullgirls and played those for a while before returning to FighterZ, and I got worse at the game. Like my timing is way off and I drop combos much easier now. Is there a way to just be consistently good at any fighting game you play or does it just take years of experience/practice?
It’s very unique and fun. It’s mostly muscle memory. But you can create your own bread and butter combos. Fast and heavily favors offensive minded folks but a great defense sets you apart
I also come from MK and Injustice and like to play grapplers. Def worth picking up, I just recently started playing online and learning all the stuff. I like to use Base Goku , Broly Super, and Goku blue a lot because they have command grabs.
Just play zBroly. Zoner and grappler in one character. On a serious note, definitely worth picking up. I came over from Tekken and the game is ridiculously easy to pick up and pretty fun even if you just lab combos.
@@Nostromo_TK Enjoy it while it lasts, especially once you start to get decent rank. That's when you're going to realize just how difficult and frustrating this game is. I enjoyed the hell out of the early ranks but after that..
I tend to do worse in this game than other fighting games. Honestly it makes me not even want to play it. On DBFZ you can sit in a long block string patiently yet even when you think it's your turn it's not your turn and now you're getting blown up for 60% of your character's life bar. It's a shitty feeling and honestly even when you do it to someone else it still feels shitty in my opinion. I can lose numerous games on DBFZ back to back and switch to any other fighting game and have mostly victories the whole night. My win percentages on other fighters are a lot higher than on here.
This game is a rushers paradise lol Literally the most “fuck neutral” game ever It doesn’t make the game bad tho. I think the fast paced rushy long combo style matches dragon ball.
I don’t have a hard time. I just started playing again after like a year after a little tightening up it comes back like riding a bike. DBZ is its own thing the dragon rushes super dash sometimes I forget you can do stuff like charge your super bar and deflect ki blasts. My basic play is on point though every time I take a break and come back to it something clicks and I get something I couldn’t really do before or understand something I didn’t.
I play FighterZ and Smash Ultimate so it’s not too hard because I use Terry who uses command input so FighterZ actually helps me play games more. Although I find myself mashing vanish or 2h randomly when playing other games
I remember playing MVCI again after playing Fighterz for three months after it came out in 2018 and tried to superdash and got confused when nothing happened.
To JMcrofts, That is similar sounding to how Smash Bros players / platform fighters struggle to transition to other games too? I mean, not a lot of games give the stages itself and offstage game importance in the level of smash
Trust me I still play games like KoF Xiii and DOA5 Ultimate online and after a good session on DBFighterZ I tend to forget what I'm playing. I even tried doing a Dragon Rush playing MvC2 lol smh.
The problem with switching to dbfz is the lack of solid defensive options fighters has. Most fighting games (especially in the 2d genre) have some kind of push block or solid escape maneuver. Dbfz doesn't really have that, especially if your enemies block string is air tight, you just have to wait for your turn and hope.
For me it's actually reflect that I miss the most in other games. It's incredibly game-warping to have such a powerful defensive tool that can only be punished by explicitly baiting it out by doing nothing (or using a command-grab). It obviously fits DBFZ, but it is as game-defining as Superdash, if not more.
I don't know a single tag game that doesn't have reflect so I don't know what you're on about. Also mvci reflect can completely send back a projective which is amazing.
My issue seems to be that DBFZ is really uniform all across the board and everything is super clean, telegraphed and obvious. When you switch to any other arena fighter every character has a super obscure gimmick that seems impossible to deal with, or many defensive options like multiple types of blocks, mid combo bursts, what have you. Even bnb's in general are character specific. All in all I've spent over 100€ on other FG's and in each of them I spent like 15h in training mode just to play a couple of games, get absolutely destroyed and lose any and all motivation to keep learning. The only other game I stick with was Fantasy Strike, probably because stuff is also super simple at the surface level, you don't need to keep 10 billion options in mind
You are going about the learning process backwards. You play matches and lose then go into training mode to figure out what's going on. I used to do the same thing
@@thatgwana It's just I have more fun in training mode and in combo trials than I do in ranked matches getting my ass handed to me. I'm at a point in my life where I don't have the time necessary to grind a game for dozens of hours, so I just accepted the only FG games I'll ever play are easily accessible ones, and it's honestly fine
Honestly I'm just waiting on GG and *really* KoF15 at this point. None of this mash dash die in two turns anymore. I quit playing as much and have reverted to the kof13 renaissance. Best 2d fighter ever made.
really? My main game is Tekken and whenever I play FighterZ and I go back, I'm better. because the fastest move in Tekken is 10 frames. These are 2 different dimensions but I have 0 problems switching between em.
I hated this game when I first got it. That said I didn't completely wipe it off my hdd, and I'm so glad I didn't. I thought it as mindless mashing at first but that just really isn't close to reality. The game is great online it feels very competitive. I'm trying to learn Dragon Ball Fighter Z and MK11 at the same time and it probably isn't good that I'm doing that, but the reality is they are both awesome game's. The fighting mechanics share very few similarities but eachare so good that I jump from one back to the other. I've been getting back into this genre. I'm trash at the moment but I'm a quick learner each day I level up. See y'all soon.
@@valla7644 That's a no from you but not everyone else. Just because you like a company doesn't mean anyone else has to like them. It also doesn't mean there's something inherently wrong with them because they see the problems that you for whatever reason don't see.
I think arcsys makes beautiful and amazing games... I also will never buy another because of their blatant p2w balance issues. I refuse to pay a subscription just to lab characters.
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I've heard a lot of people say super dash "skips" neutral or obsoletes it, but I think that's a very misguided idea. Ki blast/super dash/2H is just hadouken/jump/shoryuken with a different coat of paint.
FIRST IM GONNA SAY, I LOVED YOUR TEKKEN VIDS! I MISS THEM! Ahem. Second, DBFZ is a great game, I play it, but it is very basic. It's a game of reads and assists. Which is fun by nature, I played the living hell out of MvC2, it's a fun formula for fighting. But it is very limiting, and 90% of every match is spent in the corner, guessing and watching. It's got poor fundamentals as a fighting game. I think people who only play 2D fighters can still get some satisfaction out of the mechanics, but for me and other 3D fighter-players, I just get bored.
Yeah, the thing about MVC2 is, the characters themselves are objectively way more interesting and deep than the one's in DBFZ, which really does help with retention.
TL;DR --> DBFZ teaches babies how to play 2D fighting games I say this from experience, DBFZ is baby's-first-2D-fighter. I could not get into Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat before because I hated/stink at inputs. My fg roots are in Tekken, Virtua Fighter, and Smash Bros, and the thing I like about those games is that I was able to be pretty decent by learning and using the basic fundies and movement. I didn't play DBFZ until two years after I bought it because all I could do was LLLLLLLLLLLLLL, or MMMM for supers, and I was trash and felt like trash and stopped playing. When I came back tho, I started looking up how to actually play and started labbing BNBs, and now I'm kinda sorta a notch above scrub status. And just from practicing qtr circle and half circle inputs in this game I got more comfortable and can now actually play Street Fighter and Guilty Gear somewhat comfortably. I still suck, but at least I kinda know enough of what I'm doing to still have fun and keep learning.
I was beaten the other day by a guy who would do nothing but jump backwards and then super dash me into assist combos. He was being so random, and for the literal life of me, I couldn't properly punish him. First time in a while I had gotten salty at the game lol.
dont forget that before fighterz being a fighting game its a dragon ball game first wich means things like dashes,ki blasts and vanishes are things that they cant take out
I just want to say that this game lack of reliable anti airs, and this game abundance of jumpy/ airborne gameplay is what makes this game's pressure be the same ol' use a big attack and/or superdash to make them block and make them grounded, and now just dont let them move. (I know I said "this game" a lot.)
@@evil_videogamedunkey7719 At least if they make a sequel we know not to expect a real fighting game. It was easy for them to scam this time around but it won't be so easy next time.
I'm just a filthy casual but I think every other fighting game feels clunky and limited af when you compare it to Fighterz. & Fighterz probably has the smoothest feeling neutral than any fighting game ever imo. (Minus superdash)
There are more expressive games out there, some are made by the Arc sys too. For me FighterZ is the clunky game of Arc sys, compared to the Blazblue and Guilty Gear. At least that's my opinion. Dbfz characters are very similar and have almost the same tools, routes, pressure,etc. Some of the newer characters actually became more unique compared to the base cast, it actually made me want to play this game. The flashiness and IP of the game has very low value to me, and I'm just in it for the gameplay. Game is fun, but I dont like it.
@@thezard7013 it’s trash low key that’s why I play dbfz on my time when I’m off work and mk11 I’m just getting back into and it’s still good matches I talk to people try to make them laugh nothing personal i just like to have fun win or lose
Because figtherz isn't a 'real' fighting game xD The exact same discussion is happening in Street Fighter 5 "Why is it so hard to leave SFV to other fighting games?" Because you're playing some of the most casual fighting games ever to exist - any other game out there is harder and actually have the ability for players to express their play style. And because you've just been looking up combos, you have no identity or ability to think critically about anything fighting related; despite having hundreds of hours played, you don't know what genre you're playing - that's the result of playing casual fighters, instead of 'real' fighters.
@@johnwhite4070 Guilty Gear Xrd, King of Fighters or Street Fighter 2-4. Tekken is also here, but is kind of an exception. Compare SF2 Zangief vs Ryu to DBFZ A16 vs Frieza; it's not even the same genre of games.
@@nivyan I know what you're saying and I agree with you. This game is casual just like SF5. One thing people can do in this game that they're not going to do in another game is disrespect the idea of frame data and being negative or positive. And this game a person can sit there in a damn block string for 30 seconds just because of a assists covering every single gap. One incorrect read etc, now you just lost 70% of one fuckin character. I hate that shit man. I can go to Tekken, MK11, Soul Calibur, 3rd Strike or anything else, and I'm going to win a shit ton more just from being the better player. Stronger psychology, stronger experience, no way to disrespect recovery or gaps.. actual neutral and negative frames.. This is the only fighting game where I feel like I can barely maintain a 50% ratio, whereas another games I'm WELL over 50%. I win a lot more than I lose in other games, but then I come to this f****** casual ass game and it's like you sit there you wait for the 20 sec long block string, you try to read the smart interrupt and you still get punished because somehow you didn't account for some other bullshit now your character has 30% of his life bar left.. Not buying the sequel if it's like this.
If you're not good at a game then that game is not for you. If you got opened up by something you didnt account for, then it's your fault for not having that in mind. Dbfz is a game centered around being airborne and having a universal anti air that you have to commit, making it even harder to use. A game centered around grounding your opponent with a big attack and/or superdash and not letting them move for the longest time as possible until you open them up or do a mistake and get punished for it or get called out for choosing an option. Game is fun, but the universal mechanics are just too damn strong, so I understand some people's frustration over it. Remember that in a fighting game if you lose, you have to take the L.
@@valla7644 No that's just making excuses for bad game design. People shouldn't even be able to have 20 sec long block strings that can still punish you even when you appear to have a turn. You shouldn't be able to eliminate all vulnerability just because of an assist, or link a basic touch into a full combo just because of a C assist. No. Despite popular belief everything is NOT on the player. Just because something is put in the game doesn't mean it's not broken. GT Goku's original Auto combo, UI's safe reverses leading to full combo, Bardock B, his trash Auto combo. Yamcha's original wolf fang. Auto combo automatic direction change. Just because someone wins a match doesn't mean they deserved to win. Every hit is not a hit they deserved. That's BS. The truth is those scumbag players always will defend anything that they see as an advantage to themselves. This game completely disrespects fighting game fundamentals. Nobody is obligated to respect people that play like scumbags either.
You just became more accustomed to the hyper fighter genre. Nothing bad about it. But if you give games like SF, Kof,etc... a try, you'll learn a lot more things, that's help you universally in any fighting game. Broadening your horizons to all type of games is really good and fun. More people to talk to and discuss.
@@valla7644 DBFZ did help me with KOF14 and a 02UM a bit but not much. Most of my barriers in that game were execution based, which DBFZ and GG helped with a lot
@@tootsie_ Don't let people like him tell you why you feel the way you feel. Dbfz will make you weaker at fighters with strong fundamentals and that's a fact. All the fighting games aren't going to have assists to cover every recovery frame, or a f*** neutral button. Imagine if a grappler could just push one button to fly into range in these other better fighting games..
@@manrightchea I hardly use assists to cover options (I run baseku B, Yamcha A, Blueku A, SBroly B and Gohan C, either blockstring extenders or combo extenders for the most part) and superdash gets FUCKED in midrange with a good player. 2Hing on reaction is not hard. You do need some fundamentals, but anime fundamentals and traditional fundamentals are parallel yet different skills. You aren't going to transfer skills between all games, but some skills transfer between similar games. Also, Yun is literally a "Fuck Neutral button" made into a full character.
If you can't adapt to super dash you're bad. It literally is not a problem even at pretty low levels. You can 2H, reflect, block it, do a lvl 3, even hit them out of it with a button. On top of that the combo does very little damage with mostly recoverable blue health. I'm not a huge fan of super dash myself, but it's really not that big of a problem especially offline.
It existing is the problem your opponent having a full screen nuetral breaking option they can just throw out unexpectedly at any time ruins any kind if well thought out nuetral game which is one of the most fun parts of any fighting game plus we are in an online environment offline isn't coming back for awhile and dealing with it it 5 to 7 frames of delay is not my idea of fun
@@thesmilingvagrants beating it isn't the issue the constant threat of it that you have to be fully aware of at all times is what ruins any sense of nuetral you have to be mentally prepared for the random super dash that could appear at any moment when you weren't ready for it I play a lot of other fighting games and dbfz is the only one with this issue it's especially hard to deal with consistently online with dbfz less than stellar netcode
Oh but the fullscreen super dash isn't a problem, the random cross up super dash however, that beats most options is horrible, combining that with characters that can convert to 70% damage easy...
This man really never heard of dragon rush lmao super dash when u tap forward or back twice he dash quicker dragon dash is when the chase u and you think u a pro lmao
It's hard cuz fighterz, in a way, makes you a worse player when it comes to neutral and how you open up your oponent.
Unga bunga safe assisted dragon rush or vanish
I absolutely agree. FighterZ, I've noticed, has a lot less going on than it seems, and a lot of the skills in FighterZ just aren't applicable in other games.
I actually agree cause instead of finding moves to close distance u hit super dash.
@@zekekillah it does feel a lot like marvel I’m glad that 3v3 craziness survived marvel 3 I love it I think it looks great but imagine if it was a moving comic the way fighterz brings the anime to life omg
@@DivineeTray or raw vanish
@@eddi8634 what i hate is how u can just unga bunga and its hard to combat it alot of times ik im not gud but its fustrating to lose all my health cause someone mashed square hard enough and super dash.
When it comes to playing FighterZ, it teaches you bad habits when it comes to fighting games in general. Plus the game is privileged with a lot of its movement.
Fighterz taught me "DONT PUSH BUTTONS SON!" 😅
This is one of the few games I've played that actually encourages random mashing
it's weird that you can get 15% of the opponent healthbar by pressing the same button over and over again
I went back to skullgirls and Blazeblue after playing fighterz and I was not ready for how different it felt. Like I should stop playing fighterz just because I feel like it encourages too much rng and a makes u comfortable with the lack of crazy af mix
Auto combos let people go ungabunga. DBFZ isn’t exactly different from other ArcSys games. It’s just balanced because it’s easy to get into.
It was my first fighting game and is pretty hard to not mash and try to super dash
Tekken too... A casual can beat a pro sometimes by just smashing
I play DragonBall fighters, SFV, Gran blue, power rangers, sf collection, mk11, blazeblue, and a few others lol. This man's title of the video is my thought process exactly. It takes a few minutes for your mind to adjust from one game to another. But I love that challenge. As other people commented, other fighting games have made me a better fighting game player in general.
my issue is trying to vanish in other games
Panic vanish is too ingrained in my mind now
I tried to vanish in 3rd Strike once lol.
Lowkey I be trying to vanish in tekken lmao
tried to vanish in sfv once, got the gill parry instead and it somehow worked
I think it comes down to the presence of universal mechanics. Its not that superdash exists, its that superdash is usable by everyone. Its not that DR exists, its that the DR mixup is something everyone can use and always leads into a combo. Everyone has 10k health, everyone has access to some kind of projectile or medium/long range attack with S, everyone has an autocombo of some kind... etc. I actually think that the games adherence to Universal combos and the Saiyan Combo (2M>5M>jcMLL2H>SD>j.MLL2H>j.LLL) is a huge help to keeping things relatively even. Everyone has access to some kind of BnB combo that takes off at least 40% of your health and starts from 2M, which I believe keeps people in the game more than the autocombo does. Sure there's higher level tech like loops, but I believe its the ease of DBFZ's universal bnb logic that makes it so easy to play. A lot of other fighters have much more complicated rules for combos, and bnb's are often unique to the person you're playing as, so DBFZ managing to keep it simple and allow for a combo that most of the cast is able to use gives you a huge leg up for learning the game.
I think something like this should be in every fighting game. Its a large help for learning how to play.
It's a large help for learning how to play to an extent. The universal mechanic of FighterZ are so strong that, you mainly only learn how to play DBFZ rather than learn how to play a fighting game.
I still find this game super fun, but as an entry point to fighting games its gonna be a little bit hard for most newcomers/beginners to transition into other games.
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I like how he said 100 IQ like that’s galaxy brain level 😭
It could make you either a better or worst player depending on your state of mind. Fighterz for me taught me about fg terminology such as frame data, okizeme, and stagger pressure.
Yeah im not a very strong fighting player. I played them a lot as a kid in the bowling alley arcade and with friends but took a long break. FighterZ is the first fighting game i've taken seriously enough to research how to play instead of just learning as you go, (which when mostly playing with friends with a similar mentality doesn't get you very far)
So fighterz really helped me understand oki, staggers and the importance of getting your opponent to respect certain moves to allow you to open them up with other ones.
And this knowledge helps, but it's supposed to apply in fighting games, and I feel like it's unreliable here because DBFZ is just so random now. Its like playing an instrument that could just blurt random notes at any time you don't expect. Superdash and vanish are major problems. I'm a huge SF and especially KoF fan, I don't feel that this game is fair at all anymore, after season 2 GT Goku the meta just became nuts. When I go and play games like samurai shodown 2019, SFV, and KoF 13, I just have way more fun, personally. Sucks because I'm a huge DB fan. They need a meter for dashing, better tracking, and balanced characters. I hope the sequel changes some of these things, but it could go either way.
Idk man this vid feels a bit more clickbaity than your other content. I wouldve probably watched match footage if the thumbnail and title more clearly designated it as such, instead of it seeming like a JMCrofts discussion about mechanics for the first minute. The discussion begins and ends with "superdash changes dbfz" as well, which has caused a lot of the top comments to be shit-talking the game in the most bland and overdone ways possible. You got me to click, at least, which is a skill in and of itself, but only at the cost of me feeling swindled. Keep up the good work regardless, and apologies if this is too mean or uninformed.
You realize how much super dash eliminates neutral.
"eliminate" is definitely not the right word, it's a tool IN neutral
@@fgc_kaiser172 true but once you press the button neutral is over from full screen.
@@fgc_kaiser172 beam assist. Superdash.
@@graknight do you think any full screen option is "skipping neutral"?
@@thezard7013 chances are that you play a character with a special move that beats superdash so you can easily beat that jumping the beam and doing the special in the air, even if you don't have that special you can throw a normal to stop the superdash, the timing isn't that crazy
Arcana heart has a homing dash, not quite as sd but really close
I been meaning to check that out. I’m gonna try it on ps now
@@johndewberryiii9925 should let this rando know what you think, i love those games.
No wonder nobody plays that game.
Dbz actually made me a better player in other fighters
It’s much faster than a lot of other fighting games I play so it improves my reaction time whenever I switch.
Is it your first fighter
Other 2D fighters, I imagine.
@@inkredibill6352 mostly Capcom fighters, I dont really like snk stuff although I do like samurai showdown. Last 5 years or so I started 2 like arc sys
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I think this game makes you better at fighting game for the following reason and if you don't just stupidly smash buttons:
- it's extremely fast so you have to react fast
- enemies attacks can come from absolutely anywhere at pretty much any moment (including behind up and down), while in most other fighting games it's almost always up or down in front of you
- you have to use assists, so you have to add this info to your brain, and it takes a while to do that
- you have to plan your game not only based on bars and life, but also on your assists availability, changing characters for having one rest, your Spark... so many things to think at the same time, and don't forget that the game is so fast you have to do all that at the speed of light
- combos are long, pressure is long, so you have to defend long time, and so you have to be amazing at defense
This game is insane. It's like taking care of your kids while you are at work, while you are putting on your clothes, while you are typing an email.
Sounds like a normal tag game to me
Trying to switch between Melee and Ultimate feels similar... If you play one seriously, then you're fundamental movement in the other is going to suffer. They just feel way too different.
I play a lot of Ultimate and hopping to Brawl with Wario, then slipping and falling as soon as the match began. I knew it was going to be a tough time switching. It didn't help that the game is ridiculously floaty feeling.
The worst is going from crt no delays to like 8 frames of delay or more in ultimate and the input buffer..
Learning DBFZ coming from SFV... there's alot of things that just doesn't make much sense but also the game itself encourages mashing more than blocking. If you can manage the assist timing you can just pressure and mash all game it feels like.
Yeh mashing is more effective but still tho if you put time into combos you can easily punish the mashers
@@johnwhite4070 combos don't equal neutrals, you don't eliminate mashers by having better combos.
I struggle with switching between this game and MVC3.
Yea same here. It gets me everytime
FACTS
Indeed... fuck there's just so many Badass fighting games!
I hope we get a MVC4 with the new Capcom properties. For instance, old dante and old Virgil! And the new Leon and Jill designs from the resident evil Remakes.
I'd imagine so. I'm just sticking to marvel
5:05 Android 21's solar flare icon in the lower right looks like goatse.
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As a 21 player, can't fucking unsee
Hey JM, I've been wondering this for a long time now..what buttons do u use for your arcade stick? I love the clicky sound they make but I can't seem to put my finger on what brand they are. I hope you'll see this comment and help a brother out! Keep doing what you're doing man, one of my favourite content creators on yt! Kind regards.
For me, its vanish. Cant count how many times I've thrown a hadoken and tried to vanish. Or been under pressure and tried to vanish.... or thrown out an unsafe normal and...tried to vanish...
Hey jmcrofts are you gonna get back into skullgirls cause of the new changes
Honestly i feel like Vanish is a more unique mechanic to this game than superdash. Because the Arcana Heart series also has a universal homing dash mechanic. As far as i can tell, no other fighting game that isnt dragonball related has a teleport as a system mechanic like this.
Literally every naruto game....
Honestly the only problem with me is doing air combos in games where it’s not needed
I’d play I’d say most fighting games that are out, and it’s pretty easy for me
Specifically to switch between fighting games but then it’s the challenge of remembering the combos for certain characters in each fighting game. Going from FighterZ to Tekken 7, to mk11, to Brawlhalla is weird but so fun
no one mentioned homing in arcana heart? there's also daemon bride.
i don't play this game but your good attitude vibes make the video entertaining! keep it up
I'm glad Fighterz is different enough from other fighting games to have it's own feel, games shouldn't all be the same recycled material and game play.
I think playing FighterZ made me rethink how I was playing other fighting games, including GG Strive, and MvC 3.
Because DBZF is fun and easy to play.
Most other 2D fighters require a lot more input demand with minimal reward until you get really good.
DBFZ is ASW succeeding in mainstream appeal they've tried over the years.
They do this in every game with characters(Jack-O, Kagura, Azrael) or GranblueFantasy Vs as the entire game, but they always fail to a larger extent because the majority of the cast is either really hard to play well (GG/BB/UN) or they are just fanservice to a series that in the west nobody cares about (Granblue).
DBFZ Is also incredibly intuitive to the level that you rarely, if ever, have to learn some crazy character specific mechanic or long combo strings with 50+ inputs.
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Coming from MK and tekken, my jaw dropped when I first realized how easy it was to do things in this game.
But its 100% understandable why they did that. How else are you gonna get MILLIONS of anime fans into fighting games? Lol
@@PR1ME98 by making an overly flashy game, with very similar character gameplay structure so that playing1 charactersfeels like playing all the characters, and a very simplified gameplay. People dont wanna think, they want the cool stuff. (Not that it is a bad thing). That's just how mainstream works.
I’m a 1v1 at heart. Team based (the especially of the Anime genre) just doesn’t have the same kind of appeal to me and has been since the first team fighters entered the market.
4:30 Alright Krillin, I know it seems completely hopeless but you've still got a way out of this one. You've got to seduce the murderous android, it's worked in the past!
This game was practically the only traditional fighting game I played since it came out, the first fighting game I put serious time into, and only recently have I started trying other games. I picked up Power Rangers and Skullgirls and played those for a while before returning to FighterZ, and I got worse at the game. Like my timing is way off and I drop combos much easier now. Is there a way to just be consistently good at any fighting game you play or does it just take years of experience/practice?
I come from street fighter, MK, and injustice. I mainly play grapplers because I’m not a combo heavy guy. Is DBFZ worth picking up ?
DBFZ doesn’t have many dedicated grapplers
It’s very unique and fun. It’s mostly muscle memory. But you can create your own bread and butter combos. Fast and heavily favors offensive minded folks but a great defense sets you apart
I also come from MK and Injustice and like to play grapplers. Def worth picking up, I just recently started playing online and learning all the stuff. I like to use Base Goku , Broly Super, and Goku blue a lot because they have command grabs.
Just play zBroly. Zoner and grappler in one character. On a serious note, definitely worth picking up. I came over from Tekken and the game is ridiculously easy to pick up and pretty fun even if you just lab combos.
@@Nostromo_TK Enjoy it while it lasts, especially once you start to get decent rank. That's when you're going to realize just how difficult and frustrating this game is. I enjoyed the hell out of the early ranks but after that..
No joke, I played the strive beta and tried to super dash every 10 seconds
I tend to do worse in this game than other fighting games. Honestly it makes me not even want to play it. On DBFZ you can sit in a long block string patiently yet even when you think it's your turn it's not your turn and now you're getting blown up for 60% of your character's life bar.
It's a shitty feeling and honestly even when you do it to someone else it still feels shitty in my opinion.
I can lose numerous games on DBFZ back to back and switch to any other fighting game and have mostly victories the whole night. My win percentages on other fighters are a lot higher than on here.
This game is a rushers paradise lol
Literally the most “fuck neutral” game ever
It doesn’t make the game bad tho. I think the fast paced rushy long combo style matches dragon ball.
I'm impressed how a neutral a been developed by top player over times
I don’t have a hard time. I just started playing again after like a year after a little tightening up it comes back like riding a bike. DBZ is its own thing the dragon rushes super dash sometimes I forget you can do stuff like charge your super bar and deflect ki blasts. My basic play is on point though every time I take a break and come back to it something clicks and I get something I couldn’t really do before or understand something I didn’t.
I play FighterZ and Smash Ultimate so it’s not too hard because I use Terry who uses command input so FighterZ actually helps me play games more. Although I find myself mashing vanish or 2h randomly when playing other games
I remember playing MVCI again after playing Fighterz for three months after it came out in 2018 and tried to superdash and got confused when nothing happened.
To JMcrofts,
That is similar sounding to how Smash Bros players / platform fighters struggle to transition to other games too?
I mean, not a lot of games give the stages itself and offstage game importance in the level of smash
The inability to break combos easily biggest transition for myself
Trust me I still play games like KoF Xiii and DOA5 Ultimate online and after a good session on DBFighterZ I tend to forget what I'm playing. I even tried doing a Dragon Rush playing MvC2 lol smh.
The problem with switching to dbfz is the lack of solid defensive options fighters has.
Most fighting games (especially in the 2d genre) have some kind of push block or solid escape maneuver.
Dbfz doesn't really have that, especially if your enemies block string is air tight, you just have to wait for your turn and hope.
"That was 100 iq rock." So it was completely average? lol
rocks don't even usually have brains it's a smart boi
i honestly have no problem, dbfz, tekken, street fighter, SG, brawlhalla, i play all of them and never really have a problem jumping around
For me it's actually reflect that I miss the most in other games. It's incredibly game-warping to have such a powerful defensive tool that can only be punished by explicitly baiting it out by doing nothing (or using a command-grab). It obviously fits DBFZ, but it is as game-defining as Superdash, if not more.
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I don't know a single tag game that doesn't have reflect so I don't know what you're on about. Also mvci reflect can completely send back a projective which is amazing.
@@martmine4618 Not talking about tag games. Besides, most of those have pushblock, which is different because reflect can avoid mixups altogether.
Anybody remember naruto ultimate ninja and air dashes being kinda like super dash lite lol
I transitioned to Dbfz from UMvc3 then tried to go back and it was the hardest learning experience ever💀😂
after playing a bit of SF V I saw myself doing ki charge on dbfz...did not end well
4:40 I'm never ready for superdash to turn like that
My issue seems to be that DBFZ is really uniform all across the board and everything is super clean, telegraphed and obvious. When you switch to any other arena fighter every character has a super obscure gimmick that seems impossible to deal with, or many defensive options like multiple types of blocks, mid combo bursts, what have you. Even bnb's in general are character specific.
All in all I've spent over 100€ on other FG's and in each of them I spent like 15h in training mode just to play a couple of games, get absolutely destroyed and lose any and all motivation to keep learning. The only other game I stick with was Fantasy Strike, probably because stuff is also super simple at the surface level, you don't need to keep 10 billion options in mind
You are going about the learning process backwards. You play matches and lose then go into training mode to figure out what's going on. I used to do the same thing
@@thatgwana It's just I have more fun in training mode and in combo trials than I do in ranked matches getting my ass handed to me.
I'm at a point in my life where I don't have the time necessary to grind a game for dozens of hours, so I just accepted the only FG games I'll ever play are easily accessible ones, and it's honestly fine
@@killermelga you should look up how to make time for games by core a gaming, it's pretty goo.
I play alot of tekken and going over to dbfz is so weird not cause its 2d but cause of stuff like super dash auto combos.
Am I the only one that remembers Arcana Heart 3 with Homing and speed homing?
You know its been a while since JM's been on DBFZ when he forgets to move his face back in the way of the dragonballs/FR Delay.
I cant play umvc becase of dbz...when i play mk i cant play anything else...the defense button is horrible
Honestly I'm just waiting on GG and *really* KoF15 at this point. None of this mash dash die in two turns anymore. I quit playing as much and have reverted to the kof13 renaissance. Best 2d fighter ever made.
I mean the tod combos do require skill just saying
The game almost revolves around ToDs cause it's just too easy to do them
Well if you hate dying in two hits don't hold your breath for strive...
HOW DO YOU THROW KRILLIN'S ROCK I ALWAYS RANDOMLY GET EITHER SENZU BEAN OR ROCK!!!
Senzu you hold the Button, spamming the command can also be read as "hold"
@@dougfax I tried that
If you hold back he trows a senzu Bean, if your controller is in a neutral or foward state It trows the rocks
Kauan Jos3 as an assist or as Krillin himself
@@tay.vzns00 assist, if you want to use rock with krillin point you need to do 22L/M/H, if you want senzu bean u need to do 236L/M/H
I really like this game, but playing it online (or against other people in general) is just stressful. It's really fun to lab though.
really? My main game is Tekken and whenever I play FighterZ and I go back, I'm better. because the fastest move in Tekken is 10 frames. These are 2 different dimensions but I have 0 problems switching between em.
Once I saw krillin throw the rock I thought it was a W too😭
I hated this game when I first got it.
That said I didn't completely wipe it off my hdd, and I'm so glad I didn't. I thought it as mindless mashing at first but that just really isn't close to reality. The game is great online it feels very competitive. I'm trying to learn Dragon Ball Fighter Z and MK11 at the same time and it probably isn't good that I'm doing that, but the reality is they are both awesome game's. The fighting mechanics share very few similarities but eachare so good that I jump from one back to the other. I've been getting back into this genre. I'm trash at the moment but I'm a quick learner each day I level up. See y'all soon.
Auto combo turnaround is by far worse than superdash
I know, I hate this with a passion, but it is what it is. If ya can't beat them, join them.
@@valla7644 No, boycott them. Refuse to buy any future garbage they put out.
Arc sys is my fav company so that's a no. Sorry. I love all the other games, and Dbfz is just decent.
@@valla7644 That's a no from you but not everyone else. Just because you like a company doesn't mean anyone else has to like them. It also doesn't mean there's something inherently wrong with them because they see the problems that you for whatever reason don't see.
I think arcsys makes beautiful and amazing games... I also will never buy another because of their blatant p2w balance issues. I refuse to pay a subscription just to lab characters.
I've heard a lot of people say super dash "skips" neutral or obsoletes it, but I think that's a very misguided idea. Ki blast/super dash/2H is just hadouken/jump/shoryuken with a different coat of paint.
But super dash is not jump, it's not entirely used in neutral, also on meaty and in mix up situations for random cross ups.
FIRST IM GONNA SAY, I LOVED YOUR TEKKEN VIDS! I MISS THEM!
Ahem.
Second, DBFZ is a great game, I play it, but it is very basic. It's a game of reads and assists. Which is fun by nature, I played the living hell out of MvC2, it's a fun formula for fighting. But it is very limiting, and 90% of every match is spent in the corner, guessing and watching. It's got poor fundamentals as a fighting game. I think people who only play 2D fighters can still get some satisfaction out of the mechanics, but for me and other 3D fighter-players, I just get bored.
Yeah, the thing about MVC2 is, the characters themselves are objectively way more interesting and deep than the one's in DBFZ, which really does help with retention.
Arcana heart has something similar to superdash
TL;DR --> DBFZ teaches babies how to play 2D fighting games
I say this from experience, DBFZ is baby's-first-2D-fighter. I could not get into Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat before because I hated/stink at inputs. My fg roots are in Tekken, Virtua Fighter, and Smash Bros, and the thing I like about those games is that I was able to be pretty decent by learning and using the basic fundies and movement.
I didn't play DBFZ until two years after I bought it because all I could do was LLLLLLLLLLLLLL, or MMMM for supers, and I was trash and felt like trash and stopped playing. When I came back tho, I started looking up how to actually play and started labbing BNBs, and now I'm kinda sorta a notch above scrub status. And just from practicing qtr circle and half circle inputs in this game I got more comfortable and can now actually play Street Fighter and Guilty Gear somewhat comfortably. I still suck, but at least I kinda know enough of what I'm doing to still have fun and keep learning.
I was beaten the other day by a guy who would do nothing but jump backwards and then super dash me into assist combos. He was being so random, and for the literal life of me, I couldn't properly punish him. First time in a while I had gotten salty at the game lol.
I'd recommend zoners against these players or characters with anti airs, roshi, zbroly, and freezer come to mind.
Bruh this game taught me how to block ngl
"I'm mashing; this is videl we are talking about" as if he is not trying to mash vanish out of block strings 90% of the time lmao
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Super dash unique? Arcana hearts
Beep boop
super dash is a joke and the fact that some autocombos and moves just launch you forward is a joke
"Bad Videl players always use 6H"
*uses 2S another 30000 times*
I just don't like the super dash mechanic
Your not alone
dont forget that before fighterz being a fighting game its a dragon ball game first
wich means things like dashes,ki blasts and vanishes are things that they cant take out
I just want to say that this game lack of reliable anti airs, and this game abundance of jumpy/ airborne gameplay is what makes this game's pressure be the same ol' use a big attack and/or superdash to make them block and make them grounded, and now just dont let them move.
(I know I said "this game" a lot.)
@@evil_videogamedunkey7719 At least if they make a sequel we know not to expect a real fighting game. It was easy for them to scam this time around but it won't be so easy next time.
In Mvc2 you can dash with forward twice on the stick or buttons to dash. You left that part out at the beginning.
I'm just a filthy casual but I think every other fighting game feels clunky and limited af when you compare it to Fighterz. & Fighterz probably has the smoothest feeling neutral than any fighting game ever imo. (Minus superdash)
There are more expressive games out there, some are made by the Arc sys too. For me FighterZ is the clunky game of Arc sys, compared to the Blazblue and Guilty Gear. At least that's my opinion. Dbfz characters are very similar and have almost the same tools, routes, pressure,etc. Some of the newer characters actually became more unique compared to the base cast, it actually made me want to play this game. The flashiness and IP of the game has very low value to me, and I'm just in it for the gameplay. Game is fun, but I dont like it.
Played ton of tekken tried playing dbzf an my lil bro kept wrecking me haha
Bruh it’s too easy to remember dbfz I play mk11, skullgurls, gbfvs,jump force, power rangers battle for the grid, and etc
Another skullgirl player. How you liking the new changes so far?
Annie All day
@@thezard7013 it’s trash low key that’s why I play dbfz on my time when I’m off work and mk11 I’m just getting back into and it’s still good matches I talk to people try to make them laugh nothing personal i just like to have fun win or lose
I had this problem when I tried to play smash again and I hit the buttons to vanish despite that being non existent 😂
Playing any other fighting game then coming back to MK11 will significantly increase your chances of breaking your controller. 😩
Everytime I play mortal Kombat I try to superdash
I don't have any problems with superdash. It's easy to react to.
Dragonrush however ... i hate it.
Fighterz is a pure rushdown game thats it
For me it’s ROLLBACKU
Mmm… Arcana Heart and Daemon Bride also has mechanics similar to Super Dash and it's a staple of them.
Because their super dashes don't random cross ups, super dashes in fighterz are literally poorly programmed.
@@martmine4618 you can cross-up with Homing Dash too. Unlike DBFZ it won't be random though. Also, you can use it for baits for anti-airs.
2 words.
Super dash
Wtf krillin en ingles tiene más voz de macho que goku wtf xddd
It kills as he use bardock to kill him 🤣 lmao
I like how people don't know anything about the games they play classic he called dragon rush super dash 🤣 I'm dead
Because figtherz isn't a 'real' fighting game xD The exact same discussion is happening in Street Fighter 5 "Why is it so hard to leave SFV to other fighting games?" Because you're playing some of the most casual fighting games ever to exist - any other game out there is harder and actually have the ability for players to express their play style. And because you've just been looking up combos, you have no identity or ability to think critically about anything fighting related; despite having hundreds of hours played, you don't know what genre you're playing - that's the result of playing casual fighters, instead of 'real' fighters.
What are the "real" fighters then lol
@@johnwhite4070 Guilty Gear Xrd, King of Fighters or Street Fighter 2-4. Tekken is also here, but is kind of an exception.
Compare SF2 Zangief vs Ryu to DBFZ A16 vs Frieza; it's not even the same genre of games.
@@nivyan I know what you're saying and I agree with you. This game is casual just like SF5. One thing people can do in this game that they're not going to do in another game is disrespect the idea of frame data and being negative or positive.
And this game a person can sit there in a damn block string for 30 seconds just because of a assists covering every single gap.
One incorrect read etc, now you just lost 70% of one fuckin character. I hate that shit man.
I can go to Tekken, MK11, Soul Calibur, 3rd Strike or anything else, and I'm going to win a shit ton more just from being the better player. Stronger psychology, stronger experience, no way to disrespect recovery or gaps.. actual neutral and negative frames..
This is the only fighting game where I feel like I can barely maintain a 50% ratio, whereas another games I'm WELL over 50%.
I win a lot more than I lose in other games, but then I come to this f****** casual ass game and it's like you sit there you wait for the 20 sec long block string, you try to read the smart interrupt and you still get punished because somehow you didn't account for some other bullshit now your character has 30% of his life bar left..
Not buying the sequel if it's like this.
If you're not good at a game then that game is not for you. If you got opened up by something you didnt account for, then it's your fault for not having that in mind. Dbfz is a game centered around being airborne and having a universal anti air that you have to commit, making it even harder to use. A game centered around grounding your opponent with a big attack and/or superdash and not letting them move for the longest time as possible until you open them up or do a mistake and get punished for it or get called out for choosing an option. Game is fun, but the universal mechanics are just too damn strong, so I understand some people's frustration over it.
Remember that in a fighting game if you lose, you have to take the L.
@@valla7644 No that's just making excuses for bad game design. People shouldn't even be able to have 20 sec long block strings that can still punish you even when you appear to have a turn. You shouldn't be able to eliminate all vulnerability just because of an assist, or link a basic touch into a full combo just because of a C assist. No. Despite popular belief everything is NOT on the player. Just because something is put in the game doesn't mean it's not broken. GT Goku's original Auto combo, UI's safe reverses leading to full combo, Bardock B, his trash Auto combo. Yamcha's original wolf fang. Auto combo automatic direction change.
Just because someone wins a match doesn't mean they deserved to win. Every hit is not a hit they deserved. That's BS. The truth is those scumbag players always will defend anything that they see as an advantage to themselves.
This game completely disrespects fighting game fundamentals.
Nobody is obligated to respect people that play like scumbags either.
DBFZ made me better at more anime games like GG or BlazBlue but a lot worse at games like SF.
You just became more accustomed to the hyper fighter genre. Nothing bad about it. But if you give games like SF, Kof,etc... a try, you'll learn a lot more things, that's help you universally in any fighting game. Broadening your horizons to all type of games is really good and fun. More people to talk to and discuss.
@@valla7644 DBFZ did help me with KOF14 and a 02UM a bit but not much. Most of my barriers in that game were execution based, which DBFZ and GG helped with a lot
@@tootsie_ Don't let people like him tell you why you feel the way you feel. Dbfz will make you weaker at fighters with strong fundamentals and that's a fact. All the fighting games aren't going to have assists to cover every recovery frame, or a f*** neutral button.
Imagine if a grappler could just push one button to fly into range in these other better fighting games..
@@manrightchea I hardly use assists to cover options (I run baseku B, Yamcha A, Blueku A, SBroly B and Gohan C, either blockstring extenders or combo extenders for the most part) and superdash gets FUCKED in midrange with a good player. 2Hing on reaction is not hard. You do need some fundamentals, but anime fundamentals and traditional fundamentals are parallel yet different skills. You aren't going to transfer skills between all games, but some skills transfer between similar games.
Also, Yun is literally a "Fuck Neutral button" made into a full character.
Arcana heart dragon dash
I hate superdash so much ngl.
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Go back to Fantasy Strike, doubt you'll problems there.
If you can't adapt to super dash you're bad. It literally is not a problem even at pretty low levels. You can 2H, reflect, block it, do a lvl 3, even hit them out of it with a button. On top of that the combo does very little damage with mostly recoverable blue health. I'm not a huge fan of super dash myself, but it's really not that big of a problem especially offline.
It existing is the problem your opponent having a full screen nuetral breaking option they can just throw out unexpectedly at any time ruins any kind if well thought out nuetral game which is one of the most fun parts of any fighting game plus we are in an online environment offline isn't coming back for awhile and dealing with it it 5 to 7 frames of delay is not my idea of fun
@@yaboitobi9535 Once again, if you can't beat a full screen super dash then I just cannot help you sir
@@thesmilingvagrants beating it isn't the issue the constant threat of it that you have to be fully aware of at all times is what ruins any sense of nuetral you have to be mentally prepared for the random super dash that could appear at any moment when you weren't ready for it I play a lot of other fighting games and dbfz is the only one with this issue it's especially hard to deal with consistently online with dbfz less than stellar netcode
@@yaboitobi9535 ITS NEUTRAL
Oh but the fullscreen super dash isn't a problem, the random cross up super dash however, that beats most options is horrible, combining that with characters that can convert to 70% damage easy...
This game is just a mash fest all the damn time lol
This man really never heard of dragon rush lmao super dash when u tap forward or back twice he dash quicker dragon dash is when the chase u and you think u a pro lmao
This game is casual trash if they fix the real issues it could be great!
i dropped fighterz after all the dlc and bs skip neutral mechanics i feel ive become a better player overall with kof 13
I mean dbfz still requires alot of skill at high levels
Every fighting game needs a superdash from now on
Agreed. Idc how they integrated it 😂