Boxster (981) is the answer. Less than a 911 and has lots of storage space and is lighter and at least as nimble as the 991. Still costly for repairs but a good middle ground between the 911 and MX-5.
I purchased the entire set of chassis braces from Goodwin racing and it made my 2023 RF Club feel more solid and more like a premium car. I also added butyl vibration deadening sheets plus closed cell foam to the doors, roof, trunk, hood, and inside of the wheel wells. This cut down on the vibrations and road noises and eliminated much of the buzzy frequencies. Again, the end result gave the Miata a much more premium feel to it. Now I love it so much that I often take it on 200 mile drives on the weekends.
Modern high end sports cars have become so capable they are practically unusable on the street. I was just reviewing C/D road tests on a 1980 Porsche 911 and a 2019 Miata. The modern Miata out accelerates to old Porsche and has better road holding as well. A new Porsche is awesome, but you can't push it near it's limits on the street without excessively breaking speed limits and/or getting yourself into trouble.
I’m really digging this channel, you’re pushing out some great content recently. Some advice for 991 buyers, buy the newest one you can afford in the best condition. By “afford”, I mean either you can buy it cash with considerable reserves, or you can afford the payments while having considerable reserves. Budget $1-2k annually for maintenance, and either buy an extended warranty from Fidelity/CPO or keep $10-15k aside for any major failures. Maintenance records is more important when considering your purchase than mileage. Low mileage cars that sit will have more issues than a daily driven well maintained example. The door card warping issue is common on non extended leather optioned cars for the 991.1. Either get the card reupholstered from Pedro’s Garage (well known within the community) or buy a car with the extended leather option. What you said about the perception of Porsche drivers is true, I’m in my 30s and drive a 991.2 C2S Manual and the amount of people who ask if I’m driving my dad’s car is crazy. Despite owners reputations, I will say this: Porsche owner events are an excellent way to network.
I was turning around 2011 boxster S 6 speed and finaly bought 2021 miata rf gt 6 speed with sport package, for 20k less $$$, dont regrette at all, so exciting car, so nimble, was hesitating if it has enough power, but after test drive i was charmed! Doesn't matter the hp numbers, you can accelerate it and the feelings are in RDV ! The very powerful cars on the limited speed roads are boring, so as the wise drivers say, better drive slower car fast than faster car slowly😊!
Nice vid! Wish i could afford a miata at least. The main thing that comes to mind for me is the convenience of having more space to carry bags and luggage in the 911, using the backseats aswell, making it more suitable for long trips.
We get both 991.1 C2S and Miata ND. Both great car, 911 for better handling speed in most scenario (or at least the confident), faster than Miata better exhaust sound than Miata. But Miata is still such a wonderful car. Such low weight, cheap to maintain and no pressure when driving.
After having owned 7 Miatas, some fully built, the natural progression was to get a nice Boxster S.. what BIG mistake!! That car had no soul, quality was horrible, and everything kept breaking.. only good thing was the engine note.. but that’s about it.. sold it within a year of owning such unremarkable car.. went back to an ND Miata, and couldn’t be happier… I have driven some 911(996, 997, 991) but they don’t do it for me.. it’s an overpriced VW…
Which year Boxster? Manual/auto? LSD? Seats? There's a large # of posts on the web where people have both a Miata and a Boxster, and there's almost no negative feedback about the Miatas from the Porsche crowd- they just feel so good to drive. They do tend to need some setup though: wheels/tires/coilovers/sways/bushings to get something that rides and handles more like what you get stock from other brands. I'm currently upgrading all the touch points & controls in a 996 to try to get up to Miata spec. Jinba Ittai. I
@@colinbowman8816 yah I wonder wtf he's talking about, I've raced and owned Miatas and have a high miles 986 S as a daily. Needs some maintenance but less than most cars do even with high miles. My 986 is great fun on the street and 5X more practical than a Miata, and a lot more powerful, better sounding engine with a screaming intake behind your ear of that flat 6 sound. Not quite as light but far more rigid than a Miata of the same era. I've also raced Spec Boxsters on the race track and they're great there too. "No soul" is utter bullshit frankly. I still have flashbacks to the beautiful high speed sliding balance and sound of a Spec Boxster racing around VIR at 4am.
~10yrs ago had an early NC that I bought used for $9k. Now have a 992 Carrera S. Both manual, of course. Porsche is a dream car, but it’s too good for the street. Unless I’m in triple digit speeds, it feels like a commute. Fun comes at such high speeds, that I’m risking jail every time I take it out. Miata was fun going to the grocery store. Disagree with the ‘useless back seats’ comment about the Porsche. My 10yr old daughter fits fine back there, even for several hours. Wife is shorter, so plenty of legroom behind her. That’s the only thing holding me back from another Miata. Need for the three of us to fit. I’m comparing a coupe Porsche to the soft top Miata, and there is a lot to be said for the easy to operate convertible and the feeling you get driving top down. Perhaps if my Porsche was a convertible, I wouldn’t be so nostalgic. Any way… Miata fun is weee I’m blasting around corners at 30. Porsche fun is the pure disbelief of the insane performance ceiling. You feel like the Germans broke physics to make this car possible.
I own an ND2. I really like it but it’s just too slow. If it had at least more 50hp it would be a slightly better competition to the 911 in the used cars market and much better competition to the Boxter. In its current performance figures it’s not even in the game.
There is no comparison! Which car does he own? that tells you everything. If you can afford a 911 buy it. If not get a Miata (for your wife) and tell yourself its funner even though deep inside you know it's not.
We get both 991.1 C2S and Miata ND. Both great car, 911 for better handling speed in most scenario (or at least the confident), faster than Miata better exhaust sound than Miata. But Miata is still such a wonderful car. Such low weight, cheap to maintain and no pressure when driving.
Lol. Sure, it is. Keep sing that to yourself 20 times per today. In a few years, you'll believe it. And you won't be concerned that everyone thinks you bought it to compensate for your small weewee.
if you are 6"3 or over you can pretty much cross the Miata off of your list... i couldn't fold myself into that thing... also having the upper edge of the windscreen frame in front of your eyes is considered sub-optimal
I used to be envious of tall guys, I used to be envious of guys who had a family and I used to be envious of 911 drivers, all that changed when I discovered the Miata.
The 911 sounds like a circus clown. The ND at least it sounds cute which it was originally meant to be. A cute beep is better then sounding like an expensive car that brags its better than everyone only to have a voice that sounds like a child. Lot of bark and not bite.
JUST GET A 996! Answer found :D But fr, when switching between shots, the interiors look the same... Also, the 911 horn is worse! Like a clown car lol. I kinda like it tho. I am strange. Finally, screw what other people think. All those opinions on the 911 are from poor saps. I once heard a guy say "he was not a lambo guy". Like bro, stfu everyone is a lambo guy. The only reason you hate is because you assume something bad about those doing $$$ better than you and are jaded af. Also, when has what anyone on the street though ever did me any good? Given me money? Made me smile? Never. So I do what I want! Regardless of what others think. If one worries about what others think, you will never enjoy what you have!
Anyone that thinks you're flexing with a 911 Carrera is definitely broke, but no, everyone is not a "Lambo" guy. Almost all of them don't have very good ergonomics or driving dynamics, especially when compared to Ferrari, McLaren, or Porsche. It's not because people can't afford it, they're just worse to drive.
Well, I own both too. In fact an identical grey RF. It is certainly not the car to own. The amount of "friday afternoon engineering" on the Miata is shocking. Mazda is trying to milk that car for all it is worth. The porsche is exactly the opposite. You get out of it every day and are amazed at how deep the engineering has gone. The miata: floppy, sloppy handling. I raced Spec miata for years, so I know they can be made to handle (lowered, coil overs, sway bars). These stock non-bilstein models suck. Tons of low speed understeer, morphs into 'neutral' at high speeds simply because the rear comes unstuck. Just like a 1970 muscle car. The LEAN like boats. I check my door handles for scratches after each autocross. Add to that a flat engine that has similar power curve to a diesel, with a monotone engine note. The interior is a joke, with cheap plastics, no storage, no glovebox. The control buttons are spongy and unsure, the cluster is rudimentary and does not even have an option for a digital speed display. The nav/control system crashes all the time and give the green-screen of death. The driving position is 4 inches too high. The seats are trash. Crap legroom too. When you drop the RF roof, the buffeting and noise is insane. I honestly think that people just don't know any better when they buy this car. I admit that my porsche is a GT3, so it is unfair. But my BRZ was a mile ahead of the miata too. This is what happens when you don't spend the time and MONEY to develop a car. Mazda needs to take out a clean sheet of paper.
As the owner of both, I can confirm that Miata is still the answer!!!
Go for the Miata you are not going to regret it. Super reliable, makes me smile every day I drive it.
Agreed I owned a NA miata before the price hike. Best purchase ever
We are fortunate to live in a time where we can buy such an excellent sports car at a reasonable price.
Boxster (981) is the answer. Less than a 911 and has lots of storage space and is lighter and at least as nimble as the 991. Still costly for repairs but a good middle ground between the 911 and MX-5.
The fact that a Miata is being compared to a Porsche 911 is a compliement to the Miata.
I purchased the entire set of chassis braces from Goodwin racing and it made my 2023 RF Club feel more solid and more like a premium car. I also added butyl vibration deadening sheets plus closed cell foam to the doors, roof, trunk, hood, and inside of the wheel wells. This cut down on the vibrations and road noises and eliminated much of the buzzy frequencies. Again, the end result gave the Miata a much more premium feel to it. Now I love it so much that I often take it on 200 mile drives on the weekends.
What are the cells foams?
I feel like the ND also feels very premium and rigid.
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Modern high end sports cars have become so capable they are practically unusable on the street. I was just reviewing C/D road tests on a 1980 Porsche 911 and a 2019 Miata. The modern Miata out accelerates to old Porsche and has better road holding as well. A new Porsche is awesome, but you can't push it near it's limits on the street without excessively breaking speed limits and/or getting yourself into trouble.
I’m really digging this channel, you’re pushing out some great content recently. Some advice for 991 buyers, buy the newest one you can afford in the best condition. By “afford”, I mean either you can buy it cash with considerable reserves, or you can afford the payments while having considerable reserves. Budget $1-2k annually for maintenance, and either buy an extended warranty from Fidelity/CPO or keep $10-15k aside for any major failures. Maintenance records is more important when considering your purchase than mileage. Low mileage cars that sit will have more issues than a daily driven well maintained example. The door card warping issue is common on non extended leather optioned cars for the 991.1. Either get the card reupholstered from Pedro’s Garage (well known within the community) or buy a car with the extended leather option.
What you said about the perception of Porsche drivers is true, I’m in my 30s and drive a 991.2 C2S Manual and the amount of people who ask if I’m driving my dad’s car is crazy. Despite owners reputations, I will say this: Porsche owner events are an excellent way to network.
I was turning around 2011 boxster S 6 speed and finaly bought 2021 miata rf gt 6 speed with sport package, for 20k less $$$, dont regrette at all, so exciting car, so nimble, was hesitating if it has enough power, but after test drive i was charmed! Doesn't matter the hp numbers, you can accelerate it and the feelings are in RDV ! The very powerful cars on the limited speed roads are boring, so as the wise drivers say, better drive slower car fast than faster car slowly😊!
Nice vid! Wish i could afford a miata at least. The main thing that comes to mind for me is the convenience of having more space to carry bags and luggage in the 911, using the backseats aswell, making it more suitable for long trips.
Then the BRZ/GR86 is the answer.
This is too hilariously convenient that I needed a video of the exact question of the title.
We get both 991.1 C2S and Miata ND. Both great car, 911 for better handling speed in most scenario (or at least the confident), faster than Miata better exhaust sound than Miata. But Miata is still such a wonderful car. Such low weight, cheap to maintain and no pressure when driving.
I would guess the Miata is more fun, isn’t that what it’s about?
Spicewood Springs is the road that turned me into a driving enthusiast. Nice!
After having owned 7 Miatas, some fully built, the natural progression was to get a nice Boxster S.. what BIG mistake!! That car had no soul, quality was horrible, and everything kept breaking.. only good thing was the engine note.. but that’s about it.. sold it within a year of owning such unremarkable car.. went back to an ND Miata, and couldn’t be happier… I have driven some 911(996, 997, 991) but they don’t do it for me.. it’s an overpriced VW…
Which year Boxster? Manual/auto? LSD? Seats?
There's a large # of posts on the web where people have both a Miata and a Boxster, and there's almost no negative feedback about the Miatas from the Porsche crowd- they just feel so good to drive. They do tend to need some setup though: wheels/tires/coilovers/sways/bushings to get something that rides and handles more like what you get stock from other brands.
I'm currently upgrading all the touch points & controls in a 996 to try to get up to Miata spec. Jinba Ittai. I
@@colinbowman8816 yah I wonder wtf he's talking about, I've raced and owned Miatas and have a high miles 986 S as a daily. Needs some maintenance but less than most cars do even with high miles. My 986 is great fun on the street and 5X more practical than a Miata, and a lot more powerful, better sounding engine with a screaming intake behind your ear of that flat 6 sound. Not quite as light but far more rigid than a Miata of the same era. I've also raced Spec Boxsters on the race track and they're great there too. "No soul" is utter bullshit frankly. I still have flashbacks to the beautiful high speed sliding balance and sound of a Spec Boxster racing around VIR at 4am.
~10yrs ago had an early NC that I bought used for $9k. Now have a 992 Carrera S. Both manual, of course. Porsche is a dream car, but it’s too good for the street. Unless I’m in triple digit speeds, it feels like a commute. Fun comes at such high speeds, that I’m risking jail every time I take it out. Miata was fun going to the grocery store. Disagree with the ‘useless back seats’ comment about the Porsche. My 10yr old daughter fits fine back there, even for several hours. Wife is shorter, so plenty of legroom behind her. That’s the only thing holding me back from another Miata. Need for the three of us to fit. I’m comparing a coupe Porsche to the soft top Miata, and there is a lot to be said for the easy to operate convertible and the feeling you get driving top down. Perhaps if my Porsche was a convertible, I wouldn’t be so nostalgic. Any way… Miata fun is weee I’m blasting around corners at 30. Porsche fun is the pure disbelief of the insane performance ceiling. You feel like the Germans broke physics to make this car possible.
A newer ND club with a few grand in mods absolutely will compete at the track - and for the price of a 911, you can add another one for the street.
This is a fact. I put 2k into a Miata ND3 GT. I can't even get close to the performance limits it has on the street.
It will be quite a lot slower at the track still, but speed & lap times aren't equal to fun!
MX5. Strange question!
Great subject. Just pressed play
Porsche owner: The Miata is amazing. It’s always the answer.
Also Porsche owner: - drives home in a Porsche
I am Porsche owner. 😉
I own an ND2. I really like it but it’s just too slow. If it had at least more 50hp it would be a slightly better competition to the 911 in the used cars market and much better competition to the Boxter. In its current performance figures it’s not even in the game.
"Your spouse will have questions. Trust me." What has bro been through?
There is no comparison! Which car does he own? that tells you everything. If you can afford a 911 buy it. If not get a Miata (for your wife) and tell yourself its funner even though deep inside you know it's not.
We get both 991.1 C2S and Miata ND. Both great car, 911 for better handling speed in most scenario (or at least the confident), faster than Miata better exhaust sound than Miata. But Miata is still such a wonderful car. Such low weight, cheap to maintain and no pressure when driving.
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@@mgraham6201 I did "by" the Porsche instead of 2 or 3 Miata's it is most definitely worth it.
Lol. Sure, it is. Keep sing that to yourself 20 times per today. In a few years, you'll believe it. And you won't be concerned that everyone thinks you bought it to compensate for your small weewee.
I was scrolling by and thought your channel name was ‘Infinite Shits’ and had a confusion for a second. Whoops! Lol
Yeah but the thing is, the 911... is a 911
Nuff said...
if you are 6"3 or over you can pretty much cross the Miata off of your list... i couldn't fold myself into that thing... also having the upper edge of the windscreen frame in front of your eyes is considered sub-optimal
I used to be envious of tall guys, I used to be envious of guys who had a family and I used to be envious of 911 drivers, all that changed when I discovered the Miata.
I cant decide if there's even any point of getting these cars as they're so impractical I should just get a motorbike.
The 911 sounds like a circus clown. The ND at least it sounds cute which it was originally meant to be. A cute beep is better then sounding like an expensive car that brags its better than everyone only to have a voice that sounds like a child. Lot of bark and not bite.
JUST GET A 996! Answer found :D
But fr, when switching between shots, the interiors look the same... Also, the 911 horn is worse! Like a clown car lol. I kinda like it tho. I am strange.
Finally, screw what other people think. All those opinions on the 911 are from poor saps. I once heard a guy say "he was not a lambo guy". Like bro, stfu everyone is a lambo guy. The only reason you hate is because you assume something bad about those doing $$$ better than you and are jaded af. Also, when has what anyone on the street though ever did me any good? Given me money? Made me smile? Never. So I do what I want! Regardless of what others think. If one worries about what others think, you will never enjoy what you have!
Anyone that thinks you're flexing with a 911 Carrera is definitely broke, but no, everyone is not a "Lambo" guy. Almost all of them don't have very good ergonomics or driving dynamics, especially when compared to Ferrari, McLaren, or Porsche. It's not because people can't afford it, they're just worse to drive.
Porsche Boxster 987.2 is the real solution to this ongoing debate 😈👌🏽
yep. Boxster is way more practical than a Miata, and more playful on the street and less expensive than a 911
Porsche priced out their base.
Well, I own both too. In fact an identical grey RF. It is certainly not the car to own. The amount of "friday afternoon engineering" on the Miata is shocking. Mazda is trying to milk that car for all it is worth. The porsche is exactly the opposite. You get out of it every day and are amazed at how deep the engineering has gone. The miata: floppy, sloppy handling. I raced Spec miata for years, so I know they can be made to handle (lowered, coil overs, sway bars). These stock non-bilstein models suck. Tons of low speed understeer, morphs into 'neutral' at high speeds simply because the rear comes unstuck. Just like a 1970 muscle car. The LEAN like boats. I check my door handles for scratches after each autocross. Add to that a flat engine that has similar power curve to a diesel, with a monotone engine note. The interior is a joke, with cheap plastics, no storage, no glovebox. The control buttons are spongy and unsure, the cluster is rudimentary and does not even have an option for a digital speed display. The nav/control system crashes all the time and give the green-screen of death. The driving position is 4 inches too high. The seats are trash. Crap legroom too. When you drop the RF roof, the buffeting and noise is insane. I honestly think that people just don't know any better when they buy this car. I admit that my porsche is a GT3, so it is unfair. But my BRZ was a mile ahead of the miata too. This is what happens when you don't spend the time and MONEY to develop a car. Mazda needs to take out a clean sheet of paper.
Curious…what virtues does the Miata have then? Price justification is a big fing deal. Thx mate
Did you trade the ND for a BRZ, then? Why keep such a crappy car?
@@mikeb9569 lmao! Ya a brz is the Toyota rebadged-right? Subaru couldn’t even come up with an idea on their own??
“It is certainly not the car to own”. Bold statement
@@nickschuller9861 ya that’s like saying people prefer miracle whip over mayo😂🏆